New food bank opened in Bradford

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Lord Mayor of Bradford Councillor Khadim Hussain opens the venture with Amin Dada, charter president, Bradford Central Lions Club Lord Mayor of Bradford Councillor Khadim Hussain opens the venture with Amin Dada, charter president, Bradford Central Lions Club

A new food bank has opened in Bradford to help feed the city's growing numbers of hungry and needy.

Aid charity Save the Mothers Trust (SMT) based in Beckside Lane has joined up with Bradford Central Lions Club to run the project. Both of the organisations have started off the food bank with a donation of £500 each to buy goods.

Lord Mayor of Bradford Councillor Khadim Hussain and other civic dignitaries were at SMT's headquarters yesterday to mark its first-giving session.

Ibrar Hussain from Save The Mother's Trust said: “The reason for bringing forth such a project is to help those that are in most need within the city. Over the last few months both organisations have been approached by more young families and individuals who are struggling to put food on the table.”

The project will hand out parcels every Thursday from 11am to 1pm to people referred to them from agencies such as social services. People who are not referred will still be helped but will be asked to provide proof of need. Donations can be left at Beckside Lane which is signboarded weekdays between 9am and 6pm.

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9:37am Fri 28 Mar 14

pcmanners says...

This is another socialist attempt at undermining Government policy. The more food banks there are the more the lazy won't try to find work. If they were hungry they would have to go and find work instead of drinking super lager and watching Sky on their big TVs.
This is another socialist attempt at undermining Government policy. The more food banks there are the more the lazy won't try to find work. If they were hungry they would have to go and find work instead of drinking super lager and watching Sky on their big TVs. pcmanners
  • Score: -3

12:16pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Bone_idle18 says...

I'm sure some people need this, but I'm equally sure that a lot of people will see it as free food, allowing them to spend their money on the more important things in life, like booze, dope and fags!
I'm sure some people need this, but I'm equally sure that a lot of people will see it as free food, allowing them to spend their money on the more important things in life, like booze, dope and fags! Bone_idle18
  • Score: 5

1:15pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Labour go on about these and the poor being hit as part of the governments policies.

Then with the same breath they back a welfare cap.

Do they even know why they are out to represent anymore?
Labour go on about these and the poor being hit as part of the governments policies. Then with the same breath they back a welfare cap. Do they even know why they are out to represent anymore? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 11

1:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.
I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 7

2:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Joedavid says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.
Yes would be nice to know the criteria, maybe the T&A will tell us please.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.[/p][/quote]Yes would be nice to know the criteria, maybe the T&A will tell us please. Joedavid
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Joedavid wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote: I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.
Yes would be nice to know the criteria, maybe the T&A will tell us please.
I think it's you turn up and your accepted and it's another person to use as a dependant to hit the government with a big stick.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.[/p][/quote]Yes would be nice to know the criteria, maybe the T&A will tell us please.[/p][/quote]I think it's you turn up and your accepted and it's another person to use as a dependant to hit the government with a big stick. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -2

2:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

No-one can just turn up and get free food they have to be referred. I too would welcome the information on what criteria must be met being made public as I think it would show once again that the crap being spouted by the right wingers in no way reflects the reality on the ground.
No-one can just turn up and get free food they have to be referred. I too would welcome the information on what criteria must be met being made public as I think it would show once again that the crap being spouted by the right wingers in no way reflects the reality on the ground. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 2

2:31pm Fri 28 Mar 14

The Hoffster says...

So those going to these food banks: - will they be given advice on how to manage their money (and not visit these places in the first place)?

Or will they just hand them the grub and wait for the next lot to come through?
So those going to these food banks: - will they be given advice on how to manage their money (and not visit these places in the first place)? Or will they just hand them the grub and wait for the next lot to come through? The Hoffster
  • Score: -1

3:00pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Grumpygirl says...

pcmanners wrote:
This is another socialist attempt at undermining Government policy. The more food banks there are the more the lazy won't try to find work. If they were hungry they would have to go and find work instead of drinking super lager and watching Sky on their big TVs.
Well at least our well placed Tory has come clean about Government policy. Starvation being used as an instrument of social policy. Nice.

Just makes William Hague's condemnation of the Bashar al-Assad siege of Homs look a little hypocritical. But what else do you expect from the Tories?
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: This is another socialist attempt at undermining Government policy. The more food banks there are the more the lazy won't try to find work. If they were hungry they would have to go and find work instead of drinking super lager and watching Sky on their big TVs.[/p][/quote]Well at least our well placed Tory has come clean about Government policy. Starvation being used as an instrument of social policy. Nice. Just makes William Hague's condemnation of the Bashar al-Assad siege of Homs look a little hypocritical. But what else do you expect from the Tories? Grumpygirl
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Perhaps I'm just an old cynic but I can't help wondering how we managed to get through the war years, the post-war austerity of the 1950s, then the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s without food banks! What did people do before they were invented? I don't recall seeing bodies in the streets and parks because people had starved to death. Why is it suddenly only this government that is coming under attack when the poor have always existed under every previous government? One thing we could do, which I have long advocated, is cut off ALL overseas aid to the Third World when we apparently have so many problems at home. That would save billions which would pay for food banks here and help raise living standards. Why on earth, for instance, are we still giving aid to India when they are trying to develop a space programme instead of spending the money on their own desperately poor millions?
Perhaps I'm just an old cynic but I can't help wondering how we managed to get through the war years, the post-war austerity of the 1950s, then the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s without food banks! What did people do before they were invented? I don't recall seeing bodies in the streets and parks because people had starved to death. Why is it suddenly only this government that is coming under attack when the poor have always existed under every previous government? One thing we could do, which I have long advocated, is cut off ALL overseas aid to the Third World when we apparently have so many problems at home. That would save billions which would pay for food banks here and help raise living standards. Why on earth, for instance, are we still giving aid to India when they are trying to develop a space programme instead of spending the money on their own desperately poor millions? Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 12

3:18pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.
Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -8

3:59pm Fri 28 Mar 14

dellorri says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.
Firstly the criteria applied to those going to food banks are applied by the people who "REFER" them. I.E. Social workers, Health professionals and now it seems the Jpb centres are sending people to foodbanks when they have their benefits delayed, or their benefits are sanctioned. Sanctions can occur for a number of reasons and many are later overturned on appeal. The appeals to overturn these sanctions however can take 4-6 weeks to go through, while this is happening, the claimant is receiving NO MONEY whatsoever. Therefore he/she will be referred to a food bank in order to get food for up to 3 days. They can only be referred 3 times in any one year, so the notion you all seem to have that it is a continual occurrence on an individuals behalf is very much mistaken.
Now as to WW2, being only a baby as you quite freely admit, you will have no recollection of the fact, that the BRITISH RED CROSS, opened emergency food stations throughout the country, or the fact that in ALL major cities, community cafes were opened, many of them run by the WRVS and volunteers from the women's institute. It is interesting to note, that up until 2010 there were just 43 food-banks in operation in the UK, mostly catering to refugees and asylum seekers, but since 2010 and the coalition government coming to power, the number has swelled to over 600 nationwide, with new ones opening every week. Not only that, but the BRITISH RED CROSS, are in fact preparing a stockpiile of food to once again re-open their emergency food stations in this the 7th richest country in the world.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.[/p][/quote]Firstly the criteria applied to those going to food banks are applied by the people who "REFER" them. I.E. Social workers, Health professionals and now it seems the Jpb centres are sending people to foodbanks when they have their benefits delayed, or their benefits are sanctioned. Sanctions can occur for a number of reasons and many are later overturned on appeal. The appeals to overturn these sanctions however can take 4-6 weeks to go through, while this is happening, the claimant is receiving NO MONEY whatsoever. Therefore he/she will be referred to a food bank in order to get food for up to 3 days. They can only be referred 3 times in any one year, so the notion you all seem to have that it is a continual occurrence on an individuals behalf is very much mistaken. Now as to WW2, being only a baby as you quite freely admit, you will have no recollection of the fact, that the BRITISH RED CROSS, opened emergency food stations throughout the country, or the fact that in ALL major cities, community cafes were opened, many of them run by the WRVS and volunteers from the women's institute. It is interesting to note, that up until 2010 there were just 43 food-banks in operation in the UK, mostly catering to refugees and asylum seekers, but since 2010 and the coalition government coming to power, the number has swelled to over 600 nationwide, with new ones opening every week. Not only that, but the BRITISH RED CROSS, are in fact preparing a stockpiile of food to once again re-open their emergency food stations in this the 7th richest country in the world. dellorri
  • Score: 13

3:59pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.
I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway.
The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w
dPDoYsY
And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO
wY0lrS0
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.[/p][/quote]I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway. The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w dPDoYsY And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO wY0lrS0 RollandSmoke
  • Score: -9

4:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Any credibility George Galloway might once have had totally disappeared when he appeared on Big Brother and made an utter fool of himself pretending to be a cat! His opinions, especially the anti-Jewish and pro-Palestinian terrorist, stances must prevent anyone from taking him seriously.
Any credibility George Galloway might once have had totally disappeared when he appeared on Big Brother and made an utter fool of himself pretending to be a cat! His opinions, especially the anti-Jewish and pro-Palestinian terrorist, stances must prevent anyone from taking him seriously. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 5

4:38pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BaildonGuy says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.
I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway.
The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w

dPDoYsY
And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO

wY0lrS0
Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria.

Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.[/p][/quote]I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway. The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w dPDoYsY And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO wY0lrS0[/p][/quote]Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria. Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks. BaildonGuy
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

If the food banks were catering mostly for refugees and asylum seekers until 2010, then the solution was very simple - send them back to wherever they came from! I suspect, despite what dellorri says, that many benefits claimants and users of food banks are still immigrants who flock to this country for what they can get out of it. One reason for us to get out of the EU as quickly as possible and claim OUR Britain back. I assume you've never been to London and seen the Rumanian gypsies begging on the underground and at mainline stations in gangs? By all means, let's welcome and help immigrants who are genuinely seeking work and are prepared to adopt the British way of life, but let's also clear out the scum and parasites.
If the food banks were catering mostly for refugees and asylum seekers until 2010, then the solution was very simple - send them back to wherever they came from! I suspect, despite what dellorri says, that many benefits claimants and users of food banks are still immigrants who flock to this country for what they can get out of it. One reason for us to get out of the EU as quickly as possible and claim OUR Britain back. I assume you've never been to London and seen the Rumanian gypsies begging on the underground and at mainline stations in gangs? By all means, let's welcome and help immigrants who are genuinely seeking work and are prepared to adopt the British way of life, but let's also clear out the scum and parasites. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 13

4:49pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

BaildonGuy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.
I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway.
The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w


dPDoYsY
And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO


wY0lrS0
Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria.

Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.
I have no doubt whatsoever that this is just the tip of the ice-burg when it comes to media fabrication and complicity. In fact I know darn well it is. I would elaborate further but the T&A gets a bit arsey when I do.
[quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.[/p][/quote]I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway. The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w dPDoYsY And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO wY0lrS0[/p][/quote]Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria. Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.[/p][/quote]I have no doubt whatsoever that this is just the tip of the ice-burg when it comes to media fabrication and complicity. In fact I know darn well it is. I would elaborate further but the T&A gets a bit arsey when I do. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -9

4:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

>Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.<

The cost of those wars is a mere flea-bite compared with the countless billions we've given away over many decades to Third World countries who don't appreciate it and who actually resent us for it. All it does is 1) prop up tyrants like Mugabe; 2) enrich corrupt officials in Africa and Asia who pocket the money so that it never reaches those it was intended for; 3) make those nations welfare-dependant on us, so that they have no incentive to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and they simply come back to us with the begging bowl. End all overseas aid tomorrow and put the money into stimulating the economy, producing more jobs for British workers, not foreigners, encourage people to save for their old age instead of throwing their money down the drain on ever bigger satellite tellies, etc, and there would be no need for food banks.
>Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.< The cost of those wars is a mere flea-bite compared with the countless billions we've given away over many decades to Third World countries who don't appreciate it and who actually resent us for it. All it does is 1) prop up tyrants like Mugabe; 2) enrich corrupt officials in Africa and Asia who pocket the money so that it never reaches those it was intended for; 3) make those nations welfare-dependant on us, so that they have no incentive to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and they simply come back to us with the begging bowl. End all overseas aid tomorrow and put the money into stimulating the economy, producing more jobs for British workers, not foreigners, encourage people to save for their old age instead of throwing their money down the drain on ever bigger satellite tellies, etc, and there would be no need for food banks. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 14

4:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.&lt;

The cost of those wars is a mere flea-bite compared with the countless billions we've given away over many decades to Third World countries who don't appreciate it and who actually resent us for it. All it does is 1) prop up tyrants like Mugabe; 2) enrich corrupt officials in Africa and Asia who pocket the money so that it never reaches those it was intended for; 3) make those nations welfare-dependant on us, so that they have no incentive to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and they simply come back to us with the begging bowl. End all overseas aid tomorrow and put the money into stimulating the economy, producing more jobs for British workers, not foreigners, encourage people to save for their old age instead of throwing their money down the drain on ever bigger satellite tellies, etc, and there would be no need for food banks.
So lying to the public to gain support for wars is ok then is it?
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.< The cost of those wars is a mere flea-bite compared with the countless billions we've given away over many decades to Third World countries who don't appreciate it and who actually resent us for it. All it does is 1) prop up tyrants like Mugabe; 2) enrich corrupt officials in Africa and Asia who pocket the money so that it never reaches those it was intended for; 3) make those nations welfare-dependant on us, so that they have no incentive to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and they simply come back to us with the begging bowl. End all overseas aid tomorrow and put the money into stimulating the economy, producing more jobs for British workers, not foreigners, encourage people to save for their old age instead of throwing their money down the drain on ever bigger satellite tellies, etc, and there would be no need for food banks.[/p][/quote]So lying to the public to gain support for wars is ok then is it? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -10

5:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.
Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 3

5:15pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.
I'll repeat the question. Are the governments and media justified in fabricating and staging events in order to get public support for a war? Your focus on Galloway does not distract from that question.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.[/p][/quote]I'll repeat the question. Are the governments and media justified in fabricating and staging events in order to get public support for a war? Your focus on Galloway does not distract from that question. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -8

5:47pm Fri 28 Mar 14

wobbley-bob says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.
I'll repeat the question. Are the governments and media justified in fabricating and staging events in order to get public support for a war? Your focus on Galloway does not distract from that question.
Shut up Rolly, you boring ****.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.[/p][/quote]I'll repeat the question. Are the governments and media justified in fabricating and staging events in order to get public support for a war? Your focus on Galloway does not distract from that question.[/p][/quote]Shut up Rolly, you boring ****. wobbley-bob
  • Score: 1

5:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

wobbley-bob wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.
I'll repeat the question. Are the governments and media justified in fabricating and staging events in order to get public support for a war? Your focus on Galloway does not distract from that question.
Shut up Rolly, you boring ****.
So the BBC and the Government are caught lying to the British public in order to trick us into going to war and you find that boring? How much are they paying you for your support?
[quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.[/p][/quote]I'll repeat the question. Are the governments and media justified in fabricating and staging events in order to get public support for a war? Your focus on Galloway does not distract from that question.[/p][/quote]Shut up Rolly, you boring ****.[/p][/quote]So the BBC and the Government are caught lying to the British public in order to trick us into going to war and you find that boring? How much are they paying you for your support? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -9

5:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

The Hoffster says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Any credibility George Galloway might once have had totally disappeared when he appeared on Big Brother and made an utter fool of himself pretending to be a cat! His opinions, especially the anti-Jewish and pro-Palestinian terrorist, stances must prevent anyone from taking him seriously.
As opposed to those who support vile Israeli terror ?
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Any credibility George Galloway might once have had totally disappeared when he appeared on Big Brother and made an utter fool of himself pretending to be a cat! His opinions, especially the anti-Jewish and pro-Palestinian terrorist, stances must prevent anyone from taking him seriously.[/p][/quote]As opposed to those who support vile Israeli terror ? The Hoffster
  • Score: -9

5:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

The Hoffster says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.
Do you also condemn Israel for killing thousands of Palestinians in 2008/9?

Or are you one of those vile hypocrites who can't see any wrong in what Israeli terrorists do?
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Personally I was in favour of ridding the world of a monstrous tyrant like Saddam Hussein, who was responsible for butchering unknown numbers of his own people. War is never pleasant but sometimes they're necessary, as against Hitler. However, dewy-eyed naive Lefties seem to be immune to the realities of life as it actually is, rather than what they'd like it to be! And let's not forget that George Galloway is on record as praising Hussein.[/p][/quote]Do you also condemn Israel for killing thousands of Palestinians in 2008/9? Or are you one of those vile hypocrites who can't see any wrong in what Israeli terrorists do? The Hoffster
  • Score: -10

6:02pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

The Israeli-Palestinian issue is simply unsolvable because the Arab countries have made it plain they will never accept Israel's very existence. I am sure Israeli settlers would argue equally that thousands of their people have been killed by Palestinian terrorists. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other and my view is that of "a plague on both their camps", provided they leave us alone!
The Israeli-Palestinian issue is simply unsolvable because the Arab countries have made it plain they will never accept Israel's very existence. I am sure Israeli settlers would argue equally that thousands of their people have been killed by Palestinian terrorists. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other and my view is that of "a plague on both their camps", provided they leave us alone! Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 9

6:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

pcmanners says...

BaildonGuy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the &quot;chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.
I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway.
The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w


dPDoYsY
And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO


wY0lrS0
Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria.

Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.
No, that isn't true. Unlike Blair, David Cameron and William Hague are honourable men who would never risk the lives of British soldiers by telling lies.
[quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.[/p][/quote]I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway. The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w dPDoYsY And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO wY0lrS0[/p][/quote]Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria. Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.[/p][/quote]No, that isn't true. Unlike Blair, David Cameron and William Hague are honourable men who would never risk the lives of British soldiers by telling lies. pcmanners
  • Score: -1

6:56pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

pcmanners wrote:
BaildonGuy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the &quot;chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.
I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway.
The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w



dPDoYsY
And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO



wY0lrS0
Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria.

Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.
No, that isn't true. Unlike Blair, David Cameron and William Hague are honourable men who would never risk the lives of British soldiers by telling lies.
Don't make me laugh. They have been lying so much that they had to delete all their pre-election pledges and speeches to cover their lies. They have pulled numerous psy-ops on the British public. Hague was funding the Al qaeda rebels in Syria and is now arresting those same rebels as they return to Britain FACT. Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.[/p][/quote]I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway. The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w dPDoYsY And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO wY0lrS0[/p][/quote]Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria. Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.[/p][/quote]No, that isn't true. Unlike Blair, David Cameron and William Hague are honourable men who would never risk the lives of British soldiers by telling lies.[/p][/quote]Don't make me laugh. They have been lying so much that they had to delete all their pre-election pledges and speeches to cover their lies. They have pulled numerous psy-ops on the British public. Hague was funding the Al qaeda rebels in Syria and is now arresting those same rebels as they return to Britain FACT. Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -9

7:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Grumpygirl says...

pcmanners wrote:
BaildonGuy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the &quot;chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.
I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway.
The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w



dPDoYsY
And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO



wY0lrS0
Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria.

Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.
No, that isn't true. Unlike Blair, David Cameron and William Hague are honourable men who would never risk the lives of British soldiers by telling lies.
Are you for real? Go on, admit it, you're just a satirical construct of some evil leftie comedy group.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BaildonGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am not a great fan of George Galloway I feel it is a shame that stories where he has been quoted do not allow comments. He has appeared on Russia Today and Infowars in recent days and made some very interesting comments relating to the BBC's coverage of the "chemical weapons" attacks in Syria and William Hagues funding of Al Qaeda that would benefit from being explored further.[/p][/quote]I take it the two people who have thumbed me down are aware of what I'm talking about and would prefer that I didn't? For those who don't here's some of what he said on RT "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified, and falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war. That’s not what the British public pays its BBC licence fee for, so that it can be tricked into a war". George Galloway. The full episode of RT's The Truthseeker: Media @staged' Syria chem attack can be found here: http://youtu.be/u13w dPDoYsY And here is the Infowars interview: http://youtu.be/WHQO wY0lrS0[/p][/quote]Thanks for that . It's just such a sad comment on today's politics. Blair fabricated evidence to get us into the war with Iraq (and I was one of the fools who believed him). Now we have Cameron fabricating evidence to try and bounce us into a war with Syria. Thank God Milliband had the guts to vote against the Tory war with Syria. Killing people is wrong, unless you have a really good reason, such as Hitler. Apart from anything else just think how much lower the national debt would be if we hadn't fought in Iraq or Afghanistan. We wouldn't be needing all these food banks.[/p][/quote]No, that isn't true. Unlike Blair, David Cameron and William Hague are honourable men who would never risk the lives of British soldiers by telling lies.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Go on, admit it, you're just a satirical construct of some evil leftie comedy group. Grumpygirl
  • Score: -4

8:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

>Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.<

Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist.
>Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.< Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 11

8:12pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.&lt;

Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist.
Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting as unlike yourself who saw the images flashed before them on the tv I have been studying the event from the day it happened. I could talk about all the inconsistencies in the witness statements, I could talk about the unexplicably written off car parked in front of a completely undamaged signpost. I could talk about the media links of the guy that broke news of the event in his tweets in which he falsley claimed that Lee Rigby HAD been beheaded, that the attackers had MACHETES and that one attacker had blown his finger off firing the rusty revolver that was neither loaded or operational but as you're an idiot I'd be wasting my time.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.< Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist.[/p][/quote]Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting as unlike yourself who saw the images flashed before them on the tv I have been studying the event from the day it happened. I could talk about all the inconsistencies in the witness statements, I could talk about the unexplicably written off car parked in front of a completely undamaged signpost. I could talk about the media links of the guy that broke news of the event in his tweets in which he falsley claimed that Lee Rigby HAD been beheaded, that the attackers had MACHETES and that one attacker had blown his finger off firing the rusty revolver that was neither loaded or operational but as you're an idiot I'd be wasting my time. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -12

9:15am Sat 29 Mar 14

wobbley-bob says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.&lt;

Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist.
Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting as unlike yourself who saw the images flashed before them on the tv I have been studying the event from the day it happened. I could talk about all the inconsistencies in the witness statements, I could talk about the unexplicably written off car parked in front of a completely undamaged signpost. I could talk about the media links of the guy that broke news of the event in his tweets in which he falsley claimed that Lee Rigby HAD been beheaded, that the attackers had MACHETES and that one attacker had blown his finger off firing the rusty revolver that was neither loaded or operational but as you're an idiot I'd be wasting my time.
The only idiot here Andy, is you.
You really need to stop the weed, stop visiting conspiracy websites, and get a job you lazy drug addled no-mark. Then you might be able to pay your own rent and Council tax for that hovel in Windhill that you call home.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.< Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist.[/p][/quote]Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting as unlike yourself who saw the images flashed before them on the tv I have been studying the event from the day it happened. I could talk about all the inconsistencies in the witness statements, I could talk about the unexplicably written off car parked in front of a completely undamaged signpost. I could talk about the media links of the guy that broke news of the event in his tweets in which he falsley claimed that Lee Rigby HAD been beheaded, that the attackers had MACHETES and that one attacker had blown his finger off firing the rusty revolver that was neither loaded or operational but as you're an idiot I'd be wasting my time.[/p][/quote]The only idiot here Andy, is you. You really need to stop the weed, stop visiting conspiracy websites, and get a job you lazy drug addled no-mark. Then you might be able to pay your own rent and Council tax for that hovel in Windhill that you call home. wobbley-bob
  • Score: 8

11:48am Sat 29 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well.

As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.
So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well. As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 4

3:12pm Sat 29 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well.

As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.
Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec "The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well. As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.[/p][/quote]Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec "The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -6

3:25pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Perhaps you would care to tell us, then, where you believe Lee Rigby is now if he's not dead?
Perhaps you would care to tell us, then, where you believe Lee Rigby is now if he's not dead? Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 5

3:27pm Sat 29 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

wobbley-bob wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.&lt;

Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist.
Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting as unlike yourself who saw the images flashed before them on the tv I have been studying the event from the day it happened. I could talk about all the inconsistencies in the witness statements, I could talk about the unexplicably written off car parked in front of a completely undamaged signpost. I could talk about the media links of the guy that broke news of the event in his tweets in which he falsley claimed that Lee Rigby HAD been beheaded, that the attackers had MACHETES and that one attacker had blown his finger off firing the rusty revolver that was neither loaded or operational but as you're an idiot I'd be wasting my time.
The only idiot here Andy, is you.
You really need to stop the weed, stop visiting conspiracy websites, and get a job you lazy drug addled no-mark. Then you might be able to pay your own rent and Council tax for that hovel in Windhill that you call home.
Your post has been reported. Carry on and I will take things further. This is harassment and if you know me then you know I'm classed as disabled which makes your harassment a criminal offence. I have no problem with repeating what I say in a court of law, have you?
[quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Not everyone was convinced by the bad acting and amaturish staging of the Woolwich incident either.< Are you seriously suggesting it was all a hoax for the cameras and that the trial and jailing of two psychopathic animals who cut a soldier's head off was a piece of fiction? I would respectfully suggest you need to consult a psychiatrist.[/p][/quote]Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting as unlike yourself who saw the images flashed before them on the tv I have been studying the event from the day it happened. I could talk about all the inconsistencies in the witness statements, I could talk about the unexplicably written off car parked in front of a completely undamaged signpost. I could talk about the media links of the guy that broke news of the event in his tweets in which he falsley claimed that Lee Rigby HAD been beheaded, that the attackers had MACHETES and that one attacker had blown his finger off firing the rusty revolver that was neither loaded or operational but as you're an idiot I'd be wasting my time.[/p][/quote]The only idiot here Andy, is you. You really need to stop the weed, stop visiting conspiracy websites, and get a job you lazy drug addled no-mark. Then you might be able to pay your own rent and Council tax for that hovel in Windhill that you call home.[/p][/quote]Your post has been reported. Carry on and I will take things further. This is harassment and if you know me then you know I'm classed as disabled which makes your harassment a criminal offence. I have no problem with repeating what I say in a court of law, have you? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

3:32pm Sat 29 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Perhaps you would care to tell us, then, where you believe Lee Rigby is now if he's not dead?
Does knowing or not knowing the answer to that change the fact that he was reported as looking alright and that the car crash was totally implausable? I never knew Lee Rigby, neither did you, the photos of him have been photoshopped, why would anyone photoshop pictures of a murder victim?
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Perhaps you would care to tell us, then, where you believe Lee Rigby is now if he's not dead?[/p][/quote]Does knowing or not knowing the answer to that change the fact that he was reported as looking alright and that the car crash was totally implausable? I never knew Lee Rigby, neither did you, the photos of him have been photoshopped, why would anyone photoshop pictures of a murder victim? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

3:41pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Lee Rigby's funeral was attended by thousands of people in Bury, including David Cameron, last July. There are lots of photos of soldier colleagues in full military uniform bearing the coffin. Afterwards he was buried at Middleton Cemetery in a private ceremony. Are you seriously suggesting this was all a mock-up too?

Doesn't the thought occur to you of the gross offence you may be causing his grieving wife and son if they happen to know about your nonsense? You must be seriously ill and I repeat my suggestion that you seek help.
Lee Rigby's funeral was attended by thousands of people in Bury, including David Cameron, last July. There are lots of photos of soldier colleagues in full military uniform bearing the coffin. Afterwards he was buried at Middleton Cemetery in a private ceremony. Are you seriously suggesting this was all a mock-up too? Doesn't the thought occur to you of the gross offence you may be causing his grieving wife and son if they happen to know about your nonsense? You must be seriously ill and I repeat my suggestion that you seek help. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 3

3:48pm Sat 29 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Lee Rigby's funeral was attended by thousands of people in Bury, including David Cameron, last July. There are lots of photos of soldier colleagues in full military uniform bearing the coffin. Afterwards he was buried at Middleton Cemetery in a private ceremony. Are you seriously suggesting this was all a mock-up too?

Doesn't the thought occur to you of the gross offence you may be causing his grieving wife and son if they happen to know about your nonsense? You must be seriously ill and I repeat my suggestion that you seek help.
Explain the car crash. Unless you have x-ray vision then what you saw was a coffin and you had no way of knowing what was inside it. Ah but David Cameron was at the funeral so it must be true eh? If the scum would stage a chemical attack in Syria I doubt he'd have too much problem going along with the hoax.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Lee Rigby's funeral was attended by thousands of people in Bury, including David Cameron, last July. There are lots of photos of soldier colleagues in full military uniform bearing the coffin. Afterwards he was buried at Middleton Cemetery in a private ceremony. Are you seriously suggesting this was all a mock-up too? Doesn't the thought occur to you of the gross offence you may be causing his grieving wife and son if they happen to know about your nonsense? You must be seriously ill and I repeat my suggestion that you seek help.[/p][/quote]Explain the car crash. Unless you have x-ray vision then what you saw was a coffin and you had no way of knowing what was inside it. Ah but David Cameron was at the funeral so it must be true eh? If the scum would stage a chemical attack in Syria I doubt he'd have too much problem going along with the hoax. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

3:54pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

I really cannot be bothered replying to your sick messages any more, I have work to do. I will leave it to others to try and convince you how ill you are.
I really cannot be bothered replying to your sick messages any more, I have work to do. I will leave it to others to try and convince you how ill you are. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 3

3:58pm Sat 29 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I really cannot be bothered replying to your sick messages any more, I have work to do. I will leave it to others to try and convince you how ill you are.
Fact is you have no answers to the points I raise and you are too stubborn to admit that you're stupid enough to have been conned. You're an idiot so congratulations on finding someone stupid enough to employ you.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I really cannot be bothered replying to your sick messages any more, I have work to do. I will leave it to others to try and convince you how ill you are.[/p][/quote]Fact is you have no answers to the points I raise and you are too stubborn to admit that you're stupid enough to have been conned. You're an idiot so congratulations on finding someone stupid enough to employ you. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

1:47pm Sun 30 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

As people prefer to throw insults rather than answer questions I'll do the same. If any of you retards want to explain why a man who was described as looking alright and uninjured had to be identified by his dental records, or any of the other points I have raised then please do. If anyone would like to explain why the media is continueing to lie to us and why the police are either complicit or incompetent I would be interested in an answer to that too. If you wish to deflect or come out with total crap like concerned citizen has in the forum where he claims that half the world saw footage that was seen by no-one outside of the court then stick to thumbing me down retards.
As people prefer to throw insults rather than answer questions I'll do the same. If any of you retards want to explain why a man who was described as looking alright and uninjured had to be identified by his dental records, or any of the other points I have raised then please do. If anyone would like to explain why the media is continueing to lie to us and why the police are either complicit or incompetent I would be interested in an answer to that too. If you wish to deflect or come out with total crap like concerned citizen has in the forum where he claims that half the world saw footage that was seen by no-one outside of the court then stick to thumbing me down retards. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

1:27pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Shipleyvegas says...

Joedavid wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.
Yes would be nice to know the criteria, maybe the T&amp;A will tell us please.
IIRC you have to be referred by your GP - you can't just turn up and bag free food
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I can't help wondering what criteria these food bank do-gooders apply to decide who qualifies and who doesn't? And what sort of enquiries do they make, i.e. whether, for instance, applicants live in a house stuffed with satellite tellies and video games for the kids, and whether the parents smoke and drink? As a WWII baby born in Bradford, I feel certain my parents and grandparents and many others had a hard life but we survived! Nobody had ever heard of food banks then and my grandfather didn't earn much as a professional musician but I don't recall ever staying with them when there wasn't food on the table. I suspect that some people who claim to be hungry and needy have actually spent their benefits on other things they could easily live without.[/p][/quote]Yes would be nice to know the criteria, maybe the T&A will tell us please.[/p][/quote]IIRC you have to be referred by your GP - you can't just turn up and bag free food Shipleyvegas
  • Score: 2

7:21pm Tue 1 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.
Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

11:15am Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well.

As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.
Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec &quot;The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't.
You completely sick f***

One of my colleagues actually witnessed the whole incident and gave evidence. To even suggest it was staged is quite frankly an insult to Lee Rigby's memory.

Just go away and take your whole NWO bull with you will you you sick freak
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well. As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.[/p][/quote]Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec "The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't.[/p][/quote]You completely sick f*** One of my colleagues actually witnessed the whole incident and gave evidence. To even suggest it was staged is quite frankly an insult to Lee Rigby's memory. Just go away and take your whole NWO bull with you will you you sick freak Andy2010
  • Score: 2

11:28am Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.
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The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement.

FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post

Or was all this made up.

As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law.

Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.[/p][/quote]Heres the picture you nob https://www.google.c o.uk/search?hl=en&si te=imghp&tbm=isch&so urce=hp&biw=1099&bih =392&q=lee+rigby+car &oq=lee+rigby+car&gs _l=img.3..0j0i24l4.8 27.5811.0.7019.15.12 .1.2.2.0.245.1025.11 j0j1.12.0....0...1ac .1.39.img..0.15.1031 .aqYy9SVbVew#facrc=_ &imgdii=_&imgrc=ynRS 81eiGW7XSM%253A%3B7Y 2rifpHYmXfJM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi.dail ymail.co.uk%252Fi%25 2Fpix%252F2013%252F0 5%252F25%252Farticle -2330795-19F1314F000 005DC-929_634x474.jp g%3Bhttp%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.dailymail.co. uk%252Fnews%252Farti cle-2330795%252FMich ael-Adebowale-Mother -Woolwich-murder-sus pect-battled-turn-ex tremism.html%3B634%3 B474 The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement. FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post Or was all this made up. As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law. Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned. Andy2010
  • Score: 1

3:11pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well.

As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.
Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec &quot;The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't.
You completely sick f***

One of my colleagues actually witnessed the whole incident and gave evidence. To even suggest it was staged is quite frankly an insult to Lee Rigby's memory.

Just go away and take your whole NWO bull with you will you you sick freak
One of your colleagues you say? Tell you what name him as if he gave evidence it will be in one of the reports. Then you can explain exactly how he is your colleagues as I can check that too. You're the Liar Andy. Feel free to prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well. As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.[/p][/quote]Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec "The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't.[/p][/quote]You completely sick f*** One of my colleagues actually witnessed the whole incident and gave evidence. To even suggest it was staged is quite frankly an insult to Lee Rigby's memory. Just go away and take your whole NWO bull with you will you you sick freak[/p][/quote]One of your colleagues you say? Tell you what name him as if he gave evidence it will be in one of the reports. Then you can explain exactly how he is your colleagues as I can check that too. You're the Liar Andy. Feel free to prove me wrong. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 1

3:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.
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The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement.

FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post

Or was all this made up.

As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law.

Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.
They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.[/p][/quote]Heres the picture you nob https://www.google.c o.uk/search?hl=en&am p;si te=imghp&tbm=isc h&so urce=hp&biw=1099 &bih =392&q=lee+rigby +car &oq=lee+rigby+ca r&gs _l=img.3..0j0i24l4.8 27.5811.0.7019.15.12 .1.2.2.0.245.1025.11 j0j1.12.0....0...1ac .1.39.img..0.15.1031 .aqYy9SVbVew#facrc=_ &imgdii=_&im grc=ynRS 81eiGW7XSM%253A%3B7Y 2rifpHYmXfJM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi.dail ymail.co.uk%252Fi%25 2Fpix%252F2013%252F0 5%252F25%252Farticle -2330795-19F1314F000 005DC-929_634x474.jp g%3Bhttp%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.dailymail.co. uk%252Fnews%252Farti cle-2330795%252FMich ael-Adebowale-Mother -Woolwich-murder-sus pect-battled-turn-ex tremism.html%3B634%3 B474 The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement. FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post Or was all this made up. As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law. Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.[/p][/quote]They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

4:38pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.
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The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement.

FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post

Or was all this made up.

As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law.

Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.
They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.
So you are claiming it never happened despite all the video, photographic, forensic evidence.

Tell you what...Why don't you give me your address and I will ask my colleague who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence to come round and explain exactly what happened that day. Maybe you could also visit the counseller she also visits to deal with the trauma she witnessed that day viewing someone being murdered.

Your just pure scum with comments like these
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.[/p][/quote]Heres the picture you nob https://www.google.c o.uk/search?hl=en&am p;am p;si te=imghp&tbm=isc h&so urce=hp&biw=1099 &bih =392&q=lee+rigby +car &oq=lee+rigby+ca r&gs _l=img.3..0j0i24l4.8 27.5811.0.7019.15.12 .1.2.2.0.245.1025.11 j0j1.12.0....0...1ac .1.39.img..0.15.1031 .aqYy9SVbVew#facrc=_ &imgdii=_&im grc=ynRS 81eiGW7XSM%253A%3B7Y 2rifpHYmXfJM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi.dail ymail.co.uk%252Fi%25 2Fpix%252F2013%252F0 5%252F25%252Farticle -2330795-19F1314F000 005DC-929_634x474.jp g%3Bhttp%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.dailymail.co. uk%252Fnews%252Farti cle-2330795%252FMich ael-Adebowale-Mother -Woolwich-murder-sus pect-battled-turn-ex tremism.html%3B634%3 B474 The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement. FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post Or was all this made up. As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law. Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.[/p][/quote]They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.[/p][/quote]So you are claiming it never happened despite all the video, photographic, forensic evidence. Tell you what...Why don't you give me your address and I will ask my colleague who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence to come round and explain exactly what happened that day. Maybe you could also visit the counseller she also visits to deal with the trauma she witnessed that day viewing someone being murdered. Your just pure scum with comments like these Andy2010
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well.

As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.
Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec &quot;The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't.
You completely sick f***

One of my colleagues actually witnessed the whole incident and gave evidence. To even suggest it was staged is quite frankly an insult to Lee Rigby's memory.

Just go away and take your whole NWO bull with you will you you sick freak
One of your colleagues you say? Tell you what name him as if he gave evidence it will be in one of the reports. Then you can explain exactly how he is your colleagues as I can check that too. You're the Liar Andy. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Yes by all means

The ladies name is Cosgrove. Obviously without her permission I'm not going to expand further but feel free to check the witness lists

Like I said ^^^.. Put up your address and I will ask her to visit you to explain exactly what did happen that day. She only lives in Saltaire so not so far from yourself
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: So is Rolland Smoke (or Andy, whoever he is) seriously claiming that Lee Rigby never died, that he's still alive, and that the trial of his two killers was all a fantasy dreamed up by the authorities? I've heard some barmy conspiracy theories in my time but that's a real beaut!!! He probably thinks that Martin Borman, Lord Lucan and Elvis Presley are all still alive as well, that the moon landings never happened and that 9/11 and the deaths of 2,000 people was a CIA conspiracy. And of course the Pan-Am plane blown out of the sky over Locherbie was an American government conspiracy to discredit Libya as well. As wobbley-bob says, he is clearly in need of help.[/p][/quote]Continue to talk out you backside if you must. Yes I am saying it was a staged event. If you want to say I believe every other conspiracy theory out there that's your choice but it would be nice if you provide evidence to back up the crap you spout. I'm not going to waste too much time explaining to you or your fellow thick head wobbley-bob (If you know me bob please say hi sometime so I can respond in person to your comments you spineless scum) but here's a couple of points 1, you cannot crash a car into a signpost at 30-40mph and leave that signpost standing upright and undamaged. The signpost is made of steel tubing with a wall thickness of a maximum 4mm which regulations state is the maximum thickness that can be used so as if it is collided with it bends to absorb some of the impact. It is obvious that the signpost hasn't been hit. It is also obvious to anyone but a fool that contact with Lee Rigby would not have caused the level of damage sustained by the car. The crash was staged. The changes of two Muslim extremists turning up and killing someone at the side of a staged car crash are slim to none existent. Then there are Ingid (the Angel of Woolwich)'s comments on ITV daybreak on the 20th dec "The Lady told me he was dead which was suprising as HE DIDN'T LOOK INJURED TO ME. I could see his head, it was underneith his jacket but HE LOOKED ALRIGHT TO ME". So didn't Ingrid see any blood either? If she did how could she possibly describe him as not looking injured? Now if you would care to answer these questions rather than deflect or, as wobby-bob tried and failed to do, intimidate me we can continue this discussion but as I don't really care what you think as you obviously don't do it for yourself I'm not too worried if you don't.[/p][/quote]You completely sick f*** One of my colleagues actually witnessed the whole incident and gave evidence. To even suggest it was staged is quite frankly an insult to Lee Rigby's memory. Just go away and take your whole NWO bull with you will you you sick freak[/p][/quote]One of your colleagues you say? Tell you what name him as if he gave evidence it will be in one of the reports. Then you can explain exactly how he is your colleagues as I can check that too. You're the Liar Andy. Feel free to prove me wrong.[/p][/quote]Yes by all means The ladies name is Cosgrove. Obviously without her permission I'm not going to expand further but feel free to check the witness lists Like I said ^^^.. Put up your address and I will ask her to visit you to explain exactly what did happen that day. She only lives in Saltaire so not so far from yourself Andy2010
  • Score: 2

4:46pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.
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The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement.

FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post

Or was all this made up.

As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law.

Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.
They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.
So you are claiming it never happened despite all the video, photographic, forensic evidence.

Tell you what...Why don't you give me your address and I will ask my colleague who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence to come round and explain exactly what happened that day. Maybe you could also visit the counseller she also visits to deal with the trauma she witnessed that day viewing someone being murdered.

Your just pure scum with comments like these
Now Andy can you see why I would think that your claim of knowing someone who just happened to be on the scene at the time and who was called as a witness at the trial is dubious to say the least?. It would be an amazing coincidence if you did and to be honest I'm not that big a believer in coincidence. If what you say is true her name will already be in the public domain so why the problem naming her?
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  • Score: -1

4:53pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.
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The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement.

FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post

Or was all this made up.

As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law.

Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.
They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.
So you are claiming it never happened despite all the video, photographic, forensic evidence.

Tell you what...Why don't you give me your address and I will ask my colleague who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence to come round and explain exactly what happened that day. Maybe you could also visit the counseller she also visits to deal with the trauma she witnessed that day viewing someone being murdered.

Your just pure scum with comments like these
Now Andy can you see why I would think that your claim of knowing someone who just happened to be on the scene at the time and who was called as a witness at the trial is dubious to say the least?. It would be an amazing coincidence if you did and to be honest I'm not that big a believer in coincidence. If what you say is true her name will already be in the public domain so why the problem naming her?
Because its not my business and its hers. I dont care whether you beleive me or not to be honest but seen as you are the fountain of knowledge on these things sure you can consult the wisdom of the internet to confirm a witness had that surname.

Obviously she just made all this up and gave evidence under oath to that manner.

Anyway back to the subject. Stick you address up here. Stop hiding behind your keyboard and accept a discussion with the witness and you can tell her to her face that everything that happened that day she made up

Somehow being the pathetic troll that you are I doubt you will as people in the "real" world clearly scare you
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.[/p][/quote]Heres the picture you nob https://www.google.c o.uk/search?hl=en&am p;am p;am p;am p;si te=imghp&tbm=isc h&so urce=hp&biw=1099 &bih =392&q=lee+rigby +car &oq=lee+rigby+ca r&gs _l=img.3..0j0i24l4.8 27.5811.0.7019.15.12 .1.2.2.0.245.1025.11 j0j1.12.0....0...1ac .1.39.img..0.15.1031 .aqYy9SVbVew#facrc=_ &imgdii=_&im grc=ynRS 81eiGW7XSM%253A%3B7Y 2rifpHYmXfJM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi.dail ymail.co.uk%252Fi%25 2Fpix%252F2013%252F0 5%252F25%252Farticle -2330795-19F1314F000 005DC-929_634x474.jp g%3Bhttp%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.dailymail.co. uk%252Fnews%252Farti cle-2330795%252FMich ael-Adebowale-Mother -Woolwich-murder-sus pect-battled-turn-ex tremism.html%3B634%3 B474 The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement. FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post Or was all this made up. As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law. Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.[/p][/quote]They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.[/p][/quote]So you are claiming it never happened despite all the video, photographic, forensic evidence. Tell you what...Why don't you give me your address and I will ask my colleague who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence to come round and explain exactly what happened that day. Maybe you could also visit the counseller she also visits to deal with the trauma she witnessed that day viewing someone being murdered. Your just pure scum with comments like these[/p][/quote]Now Andy can you see why I would think that your claim of knowing someone who just happened to be on the scene at the time and who was called as a witness at the trial is dubious to say the least?. It would be an amazing coincidence if you did and to be honest I'm not that big a believer in coincidence. If what you say is true her name will already be in the public domain so why the problem naming her?[/p][/quote]Because its not my business and its hers. I dont care whether you beleive me or not to be honest but seen as you are the fountain of knowledge on these things sure you can consult the wisdom of the internet to confirm a witness had that surname. Obviously she just made all this up and gave evidence under oath to that manner. Anyway back to the subject. Stick you address up here. Stop hiding behind your keyboard and accept a discussion with the witness and you can tell her to her face that everything that happened that day she made up Somehow being the pathetic troll that you are I doubt you will as people in the "real" world clearly scare you Andy2010
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5:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.
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The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement.

FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post

Or was all this made up.

As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law.

Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.
They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.
So you are claiming it never happened despite all the video, photographic, forensic evidence.

Tell you what...Why don't you give me your address and I will ask my colleague who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence to come round and explain exactly what happened that day. Maybe you could also visit the counseller she also visits to deal with the trauma she witnessed that day viewing someone being murdered.

Your just pure scum with comments like these
Now Andy can you see why I would think that your claim of knowing someone who just happened to be on the scene at the time and who was called as a witness at the trial is dubious to say the least?. It would be an amazing coincidence if you did and to be honest I'm not that big a believer in coincidence. If what you say is true her name will already be in the public domain so why the problem naming her?
Because its not my business and its hers. I dont care whether you beleive me or not to be honest but seen as you are the fountain of knowledge on these things sure you can consult the wisdom of the internet to confirm a witness had that surname.

Obviously she just made all this up and gave evidence under oath to that manner.

Anyway back to the subject. Stick you address up here. Stop hiding behind your keyboard and accept a discussion with the witness and you can tell her to her face that everything that happened that day she made up

Somehow being the pathetic troll that you are I doubt you will as people in the &quot;real" world clearly scare you
Well so far the only Cosgroves that a Google search for "Lee Rigby trial witness Cosgrove" have turned up are male and unrelated to the story. Perhaps you could help me out?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Wow I can't believe that I got so many thumbs down on one thread and not one person has even attempted to address a single one of the issues raised. Could it be that those who have thumbed me down are well aware that Woolwich was a staged event, they are well aware of who staged it and they will continue to go along with the lie as their party loyalty demands it? I think so.[/p][/quote]Heres the picture you nob https://www.google.c o.uk/search?hl=en&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;si te=imghp&tbm=isc h&so urce=hp&biw=1099 &bih =392&q=lee+rigby +car &oq=lee+rigby+ca r&gs _l=img.3..0j0i24l4.8 27.5811.0.7019.15.12 .1.2.2.0.245.1025.11 j0j1.12.0....0...1ac .1.39.img..0.15.1031 .aqYy9SVbVew#facrc=_ &imgdii=_&im grc=ynRS 81eiGW7XSM%253A%3B7Y 2rifpHYmXfJM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fi.dail ymail.co.uk%252Fi%25 2Fpix%252F2013%252F0 5%252F25%252Farticle -2330795-19F1314F000 005DC-929_634x474.jp g%3Bhttp%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.dailymail.co. uk%252Fnews%252Farti cle-2330795%252FMich ael-Adebowale-Mother -Woolwich-murder-sus pect-battled-turn-ex tremism.html%3B634%3 B474 The car being a tigra and having impact areas is designed to crumple exactly like it on impact. As that sign is a steel sign with a concrete interior it could have easily have done that damage. See also the leaking engine marks on the pavement. FFS theres even a video of the car hitting the post Or was all this made up. As I find your responses on here very upsetting and quite frankly absurd with regard to Lee Rigby's memory I will contact the police on this matter and your views are simply quite unacceptable when the killers have now been convicted in a court of law. Clearly your weed smoking past has brought you into some paranoid world you cannot cope with . Hopefully the police will take action and have you sectioned.[/p][/quote]They don't have concrete in them above ground level for the reasons I described. If you claim there is video of the car hitting the signpost find me it. Feel free to contact the police if that is what you feel you want to do. I am confident in the facts I present and will do so under oath if needs be.[/p][/quote]So you are claiming it never happened despite all the video, photographic, forensic evidence. Tell you what...Why don't you give me your address and I will ask my colleague who witnessed the whole thing and gave evidence to come round and explain exactly what happened that day. Maybe you could also visit the counseller she also visits to deal with the trauma she witnessed that day viewing someone being murdered. Your just pure scum with comments like these[/p][/quote]Now Andy can you see why I would think that your claim of knowing someone who just happened to be on the scene at the time and who was called as a witness at the trial is dubious to say the least?. It would be an amazing coincidence if you did and to be honest I'm not that big a believer in coincidence. If what you say is true her name will already be in the public domain so why the problem naming her?[/p][/quote]Because its not my business and its hers. I dont care whether you beleive me or not to be honest but seen as you are the fountain of knowledge on these things sure you can consult the wisdom of the internet to confirm a witness had that surname. Obviously she just made all this up and gave evidence under oath to that manner. Anyway back to the subject. Stick you address up here. Stop hiding behind your keyboard and accept a discussion with the witness and you can tell her to her face that everything that happened that day she made up Somehow being the pathetic troll that you are I doubt you will as people in the "real" world clearly scare you[/p][/quote]Well so far the only Cosgroves that a Google search for "Lee Rigby trial witness Cosgrove" have turned up are male and unrelated to the story. Perhaps you could help me out? RollandSmoke
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10:39pm Wed 2 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

Another little point for you. Whilst you may feel it is acceptable for Boyadee to use a little artistic license in describing the kitchen knifes or meat cleaver as a "machete" is it acceptable for the prosecution to continue to claim a "machete" was used in court after the fact that no machetes had been used has been clearly established?
Whittam described how the defendants charged at armed officers as they arrived at the scene, with Adebolajo coming within a metre of the police vehicle with a blood-stained machete raised above his head.

"Had he not been shot what would have happened to that machete? You have seen how he used it earlier that day," he said.
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Note the little mention of Russell Brand at the end by Gottleib (German for God's love if anyone's interested) for the defense. I've got a little story about our Russell. He went on to say "I suggest to you this background of religion, race, class and politics has been a toxic mix and when you add in the word terrorism, as we have in this case, it made it impossible for rational people to think straight," he told the jury. Mr Gottlieb also explained that he was using a "Sherlock Holmes" approach, adding: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Hey that's what I'm doing only when you do you realise it's bull.
Another little point for you. Whilst you may feel it is acceptable for Boyadee to use a little artistic license in describing the kitchen knifes or meat cleaver as a "machete" is it acceptable for the prosecution to continue to claim a "machete" was used in court after the fact that no machetes had been used has been clearly established? Whittam described how the defendants charged at armed officers as they arrived at the scene, with Adebolajo coming within a metre of the police vehicle with a blood-stained machete raised above his head. "Had he not been shot what would have happened to that machete? You have seen how he used it earlier that day," he said. http://www.theguardi an.com/uk-news/2013/ dec/17/lee-rigby-kil led-jury-prosecution -adebolajo-adebowale -woolwich Note the little mention of Russell Brand at the end by Gottleib (German for God's love if anyone's interested) for the defense. I've got a little story about our Russell. He went on to say "I suggest to you this background of religion, race, class and politics has been a toxic mix and when you add in the word terrorism, as we have in this case, it made it impossible for rational people to think straight," he told the jury. Mr Gottlieb also explained that he was using a "Sherlock Holmes" approach, adding: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Hey that's what I'm doing only when you do you realise it's bull. RollandSmoke
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12:19am Thu 3 Apr 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Oh dear, having been born in Bradford I must say I am very glad I don't live there any more because it would seem from the above correspondence that not all the nutters have been locked up!

However, perhaps I could raise another aspect? Looking at the names mentioned in the original story, I don't see a single one that isn't obviously Asian and presumably Muslim. I can't helping wondering, are there any original, indigenous Yorkshire people left in Bradford any more? I can trace a number of the lines of my family history in Bradford back to the 18th century with good, honest, decent working class Yorkshire people, but we seem to have been buried under a positive swathe of Asian immigrants. On the very rare occasions that I do go back to Bradford these days I find myself wanting to weep for what the place has become because it's more like Islamabad. I was born in Bradford, so was my dad and grandfather and other ancestors before them back to at least the 1780s. Are there any real Yorkshire folks left in Bradford any more?
Oh dear, having been born in Bradford I must say I am very glad I don't live there any more because it would seem from the above correspondence that not all the nutters have been locked up! However, perhaps I could raise another aspect? Looking at the names mentioned in the original story, I don't see a single one that isn't obviously Asian and presumably Muslim. I can't helping wondering, are there any original, indigenous Yorkshire people left in Bradford any more? I can trace a number of the lines of my family history in Bradford back to the 18th century with good, honest, decent working class Yorkshire people, but we seem to have been buried under a positive swathe of Asian immigrants. On the very rare occasions that I do go back to Bradford these days I find myself wanting to weep for what the place has become because it's more like Islamabad. I was born in Bradford, so was my dad and grandfather and other ancestors before them back to at least the 1780s. Are there any real Yorkshire folks left in Bradford any more? Roy Stockdill
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