More than 100 Bradford schools hit by teachers' strike

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: UPDATE: More than 100 Bradford schools hit by teachers' strike - see list of schools affected UPDATE: More than 100 Bradford schools hit by teachers' strike - see list of schools affected

More than 100 schools across the district are closed or partially closed today as teachers stage a strike over pay and conditions.

Members of the National Union of Teachers in Bradford, Calderdale and Kirklees attended a rally in Bradford city centre over what they see as “excessive” workloads and changes to pensions.

And the councillor in charge of children’s services at Bradford Council said he  supported the teachers, whom he believes are becoming disenfranchised by Government policies.

A total of 110 schools in the Bradford district had announced they would either remain shut for the day or run a limited service. Many schools in Calderdale, Kirklees and Leeds were also shut.

Bradford city centre was the focus of today’s protest, as more than 100 teachers from the three local education authorities joined a march through the city centre which started in Centenary Square at 11am.

It was led by a bagpipe player and it was followed by a rally in the Hilton hotel.

Among issues the union is striking over are proposals to have teachers work until 68, hours worked, changes to pensions and performance-related pay.

Councillor Ralph Berry, executive member for children’s services at Bradford Council, said: “This strike reflects the growing sense of frustration teachers have with the attacks on terms and conditions, including their pensions being attacked.

"I share their concerns and while I regret it has caused strike action across the country there are serious problems with recruiting and retaining teachers."

The strike was condemned by the Department for Education, and the NUT will not be joined by sister union NASUWT – which last month voted to continue negotiating with the Government rather than strike.

A DfE spokesman said: “Parents will struggle to understand why the NUT is pressing ahead with strikes over the Government’s measures to let heads pay good teachers more.

“Despite constructive engagement with their concerns, the NUT is taking action that will disrupt parents’ lives, hold back children’s education and damage the reputation of the profession.”

Ian Stevenson, NUT regional secretary, said: “NUT members have been out on the streets and in market places talking to parents. The support we have had has been fantastic.

“Teachers’ levels of workload are unacceptable. The Government’s own survey showed that primary teachers work nearly 60 hours per week and secondary teachers nearly 56 hours a week.”

The current list of schools affected in the Bradford district is as follows:

Addingham Primary School - partial closure.

School will be closed to students in reception and year one.

Aire View Infant School - full closure.

All Saints' CE Primary School (Bradford) - full closure.

Nell Bank residential for year four still going ahead.

All Saints' CE Primary School (Ilkley) - partial closure.

All pupils to attend except 6T and 6W.

Allerton Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to reception, years one, three and four.

Atlas Community Primary School - partial closure.

Reception and years one, two and three closed

Beckfoot School - partial closure.

Closed to years eight, nine and ten.

Belle Vue Boys' School - partial closure.

Closed to students in years seven to ten.

Ben Rhydding Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to all pupils apart from those in years two and five.

Blakehill Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to students in classes 6R, 4W and 5D. Mrs Davidson's Maths Gifted & Talented after school club will be cancelled but all other after school clubs will be going ahead as usual.

Brackenhill Primary School - full closure.

Bradford Central PRU - full closure.

Bradford District PRU - partial closure.

Burley & Woodhead CE Primary School- partial closure.

Closed to reception class and years three and four.

Buttershaw Business & Enterprise College - partial closure..

Closed to years seven, eight and nine.

Carlton Bolling College - - full closure.

Carrwood Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to RECP2, YR1G, YR1A, YR2D, YR2A, YR4P, YR5 and Amber and Phoenix unit.

Chellow Heights Special School - full closure.

Clayton CE Primary School - partial closure.

Copthorne Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to nursery, 1R, 1 Oak, 2 Elm and 5 Willow.

Crossflatts Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to all but nursery and years five and six.

Breakfast Club, school lunch and Crazy Cats After School Club will be provided as normal.

Crossley Hall Primary School - full closure.

Cullingworth Village Primary School - full closure.

Denholme Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to pupils in reception class and year six.

Dixons Marchbank Academy - partial closure.

Closed to all but nursery, reception, year three, year six and year five Mexico.

Eastwood Primary School - partial closure.

Open for pupils in KS1, Y4 and Y6.

Eldwick Primary School - full closure.

Fagley Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to nursery, reception, years two, three and five.

Farnham Primary School - full closure.

Fearnville Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to year two Elephants Class and year six Falcons Class.

Feversham College - partial closure.

School closed to year seven and eight students.

Frizinghall Primary School - partial closure.

Open to afternoon nursery, 3Y, 3J, 4K, 5J, 6A and 6S.

Breakfast Clubs and all activities in the Community Room will operate as normal.

Girlington Primary School - partial closure.

School closed to two groups of special needs pupils.

Greengates Primary School - full closure.

Grove House Primary School - full closure

Hanson School - full closure.

Year ten GCSE Art students will be in taking an Art GCSE practical examination in the morning, which will be manned by external invigilators alongside staff who are not taking part in the industrial action.

Haworth Primary School - partial closure.

Open as normal for pupils in nursery, reception, years three and six.

Hazelbeck Special School - partial closure.

Closed to children from Skyblue, Orange and Pink bases

Heaton Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to classes RL, RC, BT3, BS3, BH3, BD4, BF4. The Acorn Centre is also closed.

High Crags Primary School - full closure.

Hill Top CE Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to Key Stage two.

Hirst Wood Nursery School - full closure.

Hollingwood Primary School - partial closure.

Holybrook Primary School - full closure.

The Horizons Centre will also be closed.

Holycroft Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to nursery, Yr 2 CP, year three, year four, Yr 5 FT. Closed to year six in the morning.

Home Farm Primary School - partial closure.

Horton Grange Primary School - full closure.

Horton Park Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to Reception Class - RB (Bumblebees) and year two class - 2B (Panthers).

Hothfield Junior School - partial closure.

Closed to years three, four and six.

Keighley St Andrew's CE Primary School - partial closure.

Nursery is closed.

Killinghall Primary School - full closure.

Knowleswood Primary School - full closure.

Laisterdyke Business and Enterprise College - partial closure.

Open to students in years 11 and 13 only from 9.20am. College will close to students at 2.45pm.

Lapage Primary School and Nursery - partial closure.

Closed to nursery and years four and five.

Ley Top Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to class 2EJ.

Lilycroft Nursery School - partial closure.

Lilycroft Primary School partial closure.

The following classes must still attend - 2ML, 2DH, 3ML, 3DH, 4SL, 5ML, 6ML. 4SL will still be going to Nell Bank Lister Primary School - partial closure.

Year one visit to go ahead.

Lister Primary School - partial closure.

Year One visit to go ahead

Long Lee Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to children in 1B, years five and six.

Lower Fields Primary School - partial closure.

Open to nursery, reception blue and red, Class 1M, Class 1H, Class 2C, Class 3C, Class 4C.

Margaret McMillan Primary School - partial closure.

School will be closed for the following classes; Mars, Mercury, Neputne, Sharman, Hawking, Galileo, Hockney, Newton, Pankhurst and Fibonacci Nessfield Primary School - partial closure.

School will be closed to children in Classes four and nine.

Nessfield Primary School - partial closure 

School closed to classes four and nine.

Newhall Park Primary School - full closure.

Oakbank School - partial closure.

Year seven open all day, year eight closed all day, year nine closed all day, year ten open from 11am, year 11 open all day, year 12 open all day, year 13 open all day.

Oakworth Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to 1 Dolphins, 2 Tigers and 4 Panthers.

Oastler's School - full closure.

Our Lady & St Brendan's Catholic Primary School - partial closure.

School closed for reception and year three.

Oxenhope CE Primary School - partial closure.

School closed to year one.

Parkland Primary School - full closure.

The Albion Famliy Centre and the Parkland Children's Centre will be open as normal.

Parkside School - partial closure.

Closed for years seven, eight, nine and ten.

Parkwood Primary School - partial closure.

Only year five will be closed - all other classes remain open.

Peel Park Primary School - full closure.

Phoenix Special School - partial closure.

Letters have been sent to parents to inform them if their child is not expected in school due to Teacher's Strike.

PTS has been informed which children will not be in school.

Poplars Farm Primary School - partial closure.

Additional notes: The school will be closed to pupils in Years 1 ,2 and 5 due to the NUT strike action.

The school will be open for all other pupils in Years 3,4,,6, Reception and Nursery.

Queensbury School - partial closure.

Additional notes: The school will be closed to years seven to 11.

Saltaire Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to classes 2G, 3C, 5C and 6P.

Sandal Primary School and Nursery - partial closure.

Closed to nursery AM & PM, RW, 1F, 6H and 6E.

Shipley CE Primary School - partial closure.

School will be closed to pupils in year one.

Shirley Manor Primary School - partial closure.

Year five trip still going ahead. Breakfast and after school club still open. Tri-golf still on after school for KS1 pupils.

Southmere Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to reception Ash, year two Silver Birch, year three Chestnut, year four Willow.

Springwood Community Primary School - full closure.

St Columba's Catholic Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to classes 1RW, 2CR, 2LG, 5MD and 5CP.

St Cuthbert & the First Martyrs' Catholic Primary - partial closure.

Closed to Nursery, Reception, years one, two, five and six.

St Edmund's Nursery School & Children's Centre - partial closure.

St Francis' Catholic Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to years two and five.

St James' Church Primary School - partial closure.

School will be closed for all pupils except year six.

St Joseph's Catholic College - partial closure.

Closed to years seven, eight, nine and ten.

St Joseph's Catholic Primary School (Bingley) - partial closure.

Closed to reception class, years four and five.

St Matthew's Catholic Primary School - partial closure.

The following classes will be closed: F1, F2, Y1 and Y4.

St Matthew's CE Primary School - partial closure.

St Oswald's CE Primary Academy - partial closure

Class 4W is closed.

St Stephen's CE Primary School - partial closure.

The Willow building will be closed to all pupils.

St William's Catholic Primary School - full closure.

St Winefride's Catholic Primary - full closure.

Stanbury Village School - partial closure.

Closed to classes one, two and three.

Steeton Primary School - full closure.

Thackley Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to pupils in Reception – blue Roaring Rockets class only.

Thornbury Primary School - full closure.

Thornton Grammar School - partial closure.

Open as normal for Post 16 students Thornton Primary School - partial closure.

Thornton Primary School - partial closure.

Thorpe Primary School - partial closure.

School will be closed to years one, two, three and five. No after-school multi-skills session.

Titus Salt School - partial closure.

The school is closed for years nine and ten.

Tong High School - partial closure.

The school will be closed to years seven to ten, but will remain open for year 11 and all Post 16 students who should attend as normal.

Victoria Primary School - partial closure.

School will be closed to students in year two.

Wellington Primary School - partial closure.

School closed for 1S, 2M, 2L, 3B and 5J due to teachers' strike action.

Westbourne Primary School - partial closure.

Only children in afternoon Nursery, Reception M and 5W should go to school.

Westminster CE Primary School - full closure.

Wibsey Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to R1, R3, 1-1, 5-2, 6-1, 6-2.

Wilsden Primary School - partial closure.

Closed to calsses 1HB, 2RW, 3RE, 4JK, 4JW, 5HI, 6LS.

Worth Valley Primary School - full closure.

For closures in Kirklees visit
http://www2.kirklees.gov.uk/community/education-learning/schoolclosure/Closurelist.aspx?tomorrow=1

For Closures in Calderdale visit
http://www.calderdale.gov.uk/education/closures/status.jsp?establishment=SCH&offset=0#results

For school closures in Leeds visit
http://www.leeds.gov.uk/residents/Pages/School-closures.aspx

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6:46am Wed 26 Mar 14

collos25 says...

If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock.
If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock. collos25
  • Score: -4

6:48am Wed 26 Mar 14

Ratters Rat says...

By law we have to send our children to school. Many parents can't afford the luxury of holidays or get holidays in school holidays. We get fined if our children are not in school .
Teachers decide to strike and its our children's education that suffers as schools keep telling us every day matters.
Schools can't have it both ways This strike action has angered many parents and many are been forced to take unpaid leave or pay additional costs for child care through no fault of there own.
While I agree teachers have to protest its not fair to put children in the middle of the argument. We lead by example to children so can we not be adults and sit round a table and talk.
My children's school will receive a bill equivalent to the fine I would receive in protest at their education been disrupted .
By law we have to send our children to school. Many parents can't afford the luxury of holidays or get holidays in school holidays. We get fined if our children are not in school . Teachers decide to strike and its our children's education that suffers as schools keep telling us every day matters. Schools can't have it both ways This strike action has angered many parents and many are been forced to take unpaid leave or pay additional costs for child care through no fault of there own. While I agree teachers have to protest its not fair to put children in the middle of the argument. We lead by example to children so can we not be adults and sit round a table and talk. My children's school will receive a bill equivalent to the fine I would receive in protest at their education been disrupted . Ratters Rat
  • Score: 23

7:25am Wed 26 Mar 14

food_for_thought says...

collos25 wrote:
If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock.
So speaks someone who has never taught.

I qualified as a teacher in the 80s and went to work in a secondary school - I lasted all of 1 academic year! After months of working 12 hour days and still being so snowed under that I had to put in another 12 hours over every weekend, all for about 2/3rds of what a probationary copper was on at the time, I decided that the 'real' world couldn't be any worse. For a very long time in my new 'proper' job I had so much surplus energy that I couldn't believe that this was work. After a very successful and reasonably lucrative career in industry (unfortunately cut short by chronic illness) the only thing I regret about leaving the profession is the pension provision which, even after the current changes, still seems pretty attractive to someone who has seen his 30+ yrs of savings actually reduce in value more than once in recent years.

Anyone who makes even a half- decent stab at teaching, especially in the immensely challenging demographic of Bradford, and in the feckless mess that 'can't leave well alone' politicians have created since scrapping tiered education provision in the 70s, has my profound respect and admiration.

That said - the NUT (like many unions) are a bunch of loonies who shouldn't be left in charge of a chimpanzee enclosure and this strike action is neither justified nor professional.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock.[/p][/quote]So speaks someone who has never taught. I qualified as a teacher in the 80s and went to work in a secondary school - I lasted all of 1 academic year! After months of working 12 hour days and still being so snowed under that I had to put in another 12 hours over every weekend, all for about 2/3rds of what a probationary copper was on at the time, I decided that the 'real' world couldn't be any worse. For a very long time in my new 'proper' job I had so much surplus energy that I couldn't believe that this was work. After a very successful and reasonably lucrative career in industry (unfortunately cut short by chronic illness) the only thing I regret about leaving the profession is the pension provision which, even after the current changes, still seems pretty attractive to someone who has seen his 30+ yrs of savings actually reduce in value more than once in recent years. Anyone who makes even a half- decent stab at teaching, especially in the immensely challenging demographic of Bradford, and in the feckless mess that 'can't leave well alone' politicians have created since scrapping tiered education provision in the 70s, has my profound respect and admiration. That said - the NUT (like many unions) are a bunch of loonies who shouldn't be left in charge of a chimpanzee enclosure and this strike action is neither justified nor professional. food_for_thought
  • Score: 18

7:25am Wed 26 Mar 14

silverbantam says...

If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock !
If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock ! silverbantam
  • Score: 13

8:19am Wed 26 Mar 14

Joseph 1968 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
By law we have to send our children to school. Many parents can't afford the luxury of holidays or get holidays in school holidays. We get fined if our children are not in school .
Teachers decide to strike and its our children's education that suffers as schools keep telling us every day matters.
Schools can't have it both ways This strike action has angered many parents and many are been forced to take unpaid leave or pay additional costs for child care through no fault of there own.
While I agree teachers have to protest its not fair to put children in the middle of the argument. We lead by example to children so can we not be adults and sit round a table and talk.
My children's school will receive a bill equivalent to the fine I would receive in protest at their education been disrupted .
The NUT is ready to talk; it is Michael Gove who is not.

I am sure that your children's school would smile politely as you handed it in to the office and then just throw your letter in the bin.

When people strike, they lose pay. It is not taken eagerly, but the Secretary for Education has left these hardworking professionals no other choice.

I am not a teacher but I see the point of striking. Gove is destroying education.

If you want your children to be educated by organisations that believe that humans were created by a divine power rather than through a process of evolution. If you want your children to be educated by unqualified professionals. If you want resources to be driven away from state schools into profit making organisations. If you want to risk your children's future by making the profession even less attractive to work in, then go right ahead and condemn it.

But...

If you care about the direction this government is taking, you would support these professionals.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: By law we have to send our children to school. Many parents can't afford the luxury of holidays or get holidays in school holidays. We get fined if our children are not in school . Teachers decide to strike and its our children's education that suffers as schools keep telling us every day matters. Schools can't have it both ways This strike action has angered many parents and many are been forced to take unpaid leave or pay additional costs for child care through no fault of there own. While I agree teachers have to protest its not fair to put children in the middle of the argument. We lead by example to children so can we not be adults and sit round a table and talk. My children's school will receive a bill equivalent to the fine I would receive in protest at their education been disrupted .[/p][/quote]The NUT is ready to talk; it is Michael Gove who is not. I am sure that your children's school would smile politely as you handed it in to the office and then just throw your letter in the bin. When people strike, they lose pay. It is not taken eagerly, but the Secretary for Education has left these hardworking professionals no other choice. I am not a teacher but I see the point of striking. Gove is destroying education. If you want your children to be educated by organisations that believe that humans were created by a divine power rather than through a process of evolution. If you want your children to be educated by unqualified professionals. If you want resources to be driven away from state schools into profit making organisations. If you want to risk your children's future by making the profession even less attractive to work in, then go right ahead and condemn it. But... If you care about the direction this government is taking, you would support these professionals. Joseph 1968
  • Score: 1

8:32am Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

Utter disgrace! they should be fined, most of the many teachers I have come across would be unemployable in real life. (They have been brainwashed by the Labour party and the Unions). Have a chid for 12 years12 YEARS fgs. and then turn them out not being able to read or write. Shame.
Utter disgrace! they should be fined, most of the many teachers I have come across would be unemployable in real life. (They have been brainwashed by the Labour party and the Unions). Have a chid for 12 years12 YEARS fgs. and then turn them out not being able to read or write. Shame. alive and awake
  • Score: 2

8:41am Wed 26 Mar 14

Craig says...

Love the TA comments page; only here can people who don't know the difference between their and there and being and been have the temerity to pass judgement and condemn those who educate THEIR children.

By the way, teachers have a legal right to strike (unpaid), the law says headteachers have no discretion to grant holidays in term time, and who dreamt that change to legislation up - GOVE!
Love the TA comments page; only here can people who don't know the difference between their and there and being and been have the temerity to pass judgement and condemn those who educate THEIR children. By the way, teachers have a legal right to strike (unpaid), the law says headteachers have no discretion to grant holidays in term time, and who dreamt that change to legislation up - GOVE! Craig
  • Score: 10

8:47am Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

silverbantam wrote:
If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock !
yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week.

45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake

Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?
[quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock ![/p][/quote]yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week. 45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ? Andy2010
  • Score: 14

9:18am Wed 26 Mar 14

Mish29 says...

Good luck to all the overworked under paid/supported teachers who are on strike today through no fault of their own !!
Good luck to all the overworked under paid/supported teachers who are on strike today through no fault of their own !! Mish29
  • Score: -5

9:26am Wed 26 Mar 14

JAtkinson says...

Andy2010 wrote:
silverbantam wrote:
If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock !
yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week.

45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake

Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?
Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week.

In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more.
Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher.

We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers.

With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise?

If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain.

If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock ![/p][/quote]yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week. 45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?[/p][/quote]Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week. In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more. Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher. We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers. With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise? If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain. If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers. JAtkinson
  • Score: 1

9:41am Wed 26 Mar 14

albert2003 says...

Ross Matheson, 36, contacted the headteacher of Minster Church of England Primary School, near Ramsgate in Kent, after becoming annoyed by the fact that he faced a fine if he took his child out of lessons during term time, but was then told that classes would be closed by industrial action next week.

He wrote: “Thank you for your recent letter informing me of the penalty of £60 if my child is taken out of school during term time and the impact this has on pupil’s attainment.

“As you have informed me that my child is unable to attend school on October 17 due to teachers being away from school, I have to take measures to also issue you a penalty of £60.

“If this is not paid within 21 days of the date of this letter, the penalty will increase to £120.”

He concluded: “Please make the cheque payable to Mr R Matheson and send to the address at the top of this letter.”
Ross Matheson, 36, contacted the headteacher of Minster Church of England Primary School, near Ramsgate in Kent, after becoming annoyed by the fact that he faced a fine if he took his child out of lessons during term time, but was then told that classes would be closed by industrial action next week. He wrote: “Thank you for your recent letter informing me of the penalty of £60 if my child is taken out of school during term time and the impact this has on pupil’s attainment. “As you have informed me that my child is unable to attend school on October 17 due to teachers being away from school, I have to take measures to also issue you a penalty of £60. “If this is not paid within 21 days of the date of this letter, the penalty will increase to £120.” He concluded: “Please make the cheque payable to Mr R Matheson and send to the address at the top of this letter.” albert2003
  • Score: 17

9:44am Wed 26 Mar 14

Grumpygirl says...

All managements, whether public or private, get the Unions they deserve.

For the good of any enterprise there needs to be a balance in the workplace between all the stakeholders. By supporting only the greedy and doctrinaire the Tories have destroyed nearly everything that used to be good about this country, education included.
All managements, whether public or private, get the Unions they deserve. For the good of any enterprise there needs to be a balance in the workplace between all the stakeholders. By supporting only the greedy and doctrinaire the Tories have destroyed nearly everything that used to be good about this country, education included. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 0

9:57am Wed 26 Mar 14

BertSanders says...

I do not support strikes - but this one should be sorted out. Teachers are not baby sitters - they do a difficult job - often with multi language classes - and the hours worked are longer than I would expect. Education and health are political footballs. All they can do is strike.
I do not support strikes - but this one should be sorted out. Teachers are not baby sitters - they do a difficult job - often with multi language classes - and the hours worked are longer than I would expect. Education and health are political footballs. All they can do is strike. BertSanders
  • Score: 10

10:46am Wed 26 Mar 14

Bone_idle18 says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
silverbantam wrote:
If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock !
yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week.

45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake

Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?
Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week.

In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more.
Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher.

We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers.

With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise?

If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain.

If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers.
I know 3 teaches and a head teacher, and none of them work 60hrs a week, no where near.

As for the person who said they worked 12hr days and 12hrs at weekends, you must have been doing something wrong, because, as I say, the teachers I know work no where near those hours, even the head!

And ones who claim they work through holidays, again, the ones I know might spend the last day or two of the summer holidays doing some prep work.

I'm not saying that the strike is wrong, just the perception of what teachers are supposed to be working is.

As for Gove promoting Academies and Free Schools - I'm afraid he's paving the way for a load of trouble. It's opened the door to religious fanatics to educate children outside of the curriculum, and needs to be stopped. I don't want to pay taxes to fund a school where creationism is taught as a real alternative to science! He's shifting eduction back into the middle ages!
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock ![/p][/quote]yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week. 45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?[/p][/quote]Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week. In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more. Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher. We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers. With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise? If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain. If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers.[/p][/quote]I know 3 teaches and a head teacher, and none of them work 60hrs a week, no where near. As for the person who said they worked 12hr days and 12hrs at weekends, you must have been doing something wrong, because, as I say, the teachers I know work no where near those hours, even the head! And ones who claim they work through holidays, again, the ones I know might spend the last day or two of the summer holidays doing some prep work. I'm not saying that the strike is wrong, just the perception of what teachers are supposed to be working is. As for Gove promoting Academies and Free Schools - I'm afraid he's paving the way for a load of trouble. It's opened the door to religious fanatics to educate children outside of the curriculum, and needs to be stopped. I don't want to pay taxes to fund a school where creationism is taught as a real alternative to science! He's shifting eduction back into the middle ages! Bone_idle18
  • Score: 7

10:50am Wed 26 Mar 14

Old Peculiar says...

Heard a "teacher" on the radio this morning claiming she was striking, because the actions of the Government meant that she wasn't able to teach her pupils to the best of her ability. If you were really interested in teaching to the best of your ability, you would be in class today - TEACHING THOSE PUPILS!!!
There are alternative ways to protest, other than "Everybody Out!!", maybe march / protest on a weekend, when you are not sacrificing the pupils that you clamim to care so much about. And maybe then you might gain some of the lost respect from the parents / tax payers, who are paying your wages at the end of the day !!
Teaching used to be such a highly regarded profession.........
Heard a "teacher" on the radio this morning claiming she was striking, because the actions of the Government meant that she wasn't able to teach her pupils to the best of her ability. If you were really interested in teaching to the best of your ability, you would be in class today - TEACHING THOSE PUPILS!!! There are alternative ways to protest, other than "Everybody Out!!", maybe march / protest on a weekend, when you are not sacrificing the pupils that you clamim to care so much about. And maybe then you might gain some of the lost respect from the parents / tax payers, who are paying your wages at the end of the day !! Teaching used to be such a highly regarded profession......... Old Peculiar
  • Score: 8

10:51am Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
silverbantam wrote:
If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock !
yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week.

45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake

Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?
Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week.

In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more.
Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher.

We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers.

With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise?

If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain.

If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers.
No I want my child to be educated in term time no exemptions. Not when teachers pick and choose when they want to go into school.

Like I said they can strike all they want but do it on training days or in the school holidays.

All the teachers are doing are losing public support
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock ![/p][/quote]yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week. 45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?[/p][/quote]Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week. In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more. Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher. We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers. With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise? If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain. If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers.[/p][/quote]No I want my child to be educated in term time no exemptions. Not when teachers pick and choose when they want to go into school. Like I said they can strike all they want but do it on training days or in the school holidays. All the teachers are doing are losing public support Andy2010
  • Score: 3

10:57am Wed 26 Mar 14

BCFC1911 says...

My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh

She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional.

She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all.

Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse.
My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional. She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all. Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse. BCFC1911
  • Score: 12

11:04am Wed 26 Mar 14

sorrow&anger says...

This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 2

11:32am Wed 26 Mar 14

BCFC1911 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh

She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional.

She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all.

Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse.
Voted down because of speaking the truth first hand from seeing it and experiencing it for 10 years with my wife.

See the teachers are obviously on the T&A site today.

Get yourself down the rally in Bradford. Be like last time when they spent most of the day in Lloyds bar
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional. She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all. Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse.[/p][/quote]Voted down because of speaking the truth first hand from seeing it and experiencing it for 10 years with my wife. See the teachers are obviously on the T&A site today. Get yourself down the rally in Bradford. Be like last time when they spent most of the day in Lloyds bar BCFC1911
  • Score: 6

11:39am Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh

She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional.

She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all.

Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse.
Voted down because of speaking the truth first hand from seeing it and experiencing it for 10 years with my wife.

See the teachers are obviously on the T&A site today.

Get yourself down the rally in Bradford. Be like last time when they spent most of the day in Lloyds bar
Don't worry about it mate

There's a load of idiots on here who don't like to admit the truth
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional. She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all. Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse.[/p][/quote]Voted down because of speaking the truth first hand from seeing it and experiencing it for 10 years with my wife. See the teachers are obviously on the T&A site today. Get yourself down the rally in Bradford. Be like last time when they spent most of the day in Lloyds bar[/p][/quote]Don't worry about it mate There's a load of idiots on here who don't like to admit the truth Andy2010
  • Score: 0

11:52am Wed 26 Mar 14

Old Peculiar says...

Andy2010 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote: My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional. She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all. Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse.
Voted down because of speaking the truth first hand from seeing it and experiencing it for 10 years with my wife. See the teachers are obviously on the T&A site today. Get yourself down the rally in Bradford. Be like last time when they spent most of the day in Lloyds bar
Don't worry about it mate There's a load of idiots on here who don't like to admit the truth
Great post - just looking through some of the pictures of the protesting teachers, both locally and nationally ; they all look in a great mood, happy and smiling, waving their banners.
"IF YOU CAN READ THIS - THANK A TEACHER".
The use of capital letters is probably not necessary........ 4/10
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: My wife is a teacher and not on strike today but some of these posts and the propaganda issued by the union stalwarts makes us both laugh She works on average about 40 hours a week in primary school and at most has worked 50 hours but that was exceptional. She gets all the holidays and yes does have to do bit and bats in these holidays but at most they are only a days work. Sorry but a teachers job beside the obvious problematic pupils isn't that difficult at all. She openly admits this but even she states that her colleagues just have no idea what it is like in the real world (she used to work in the private sector). In fact she has said this week when they were discussing this strike that she was vilified for even suggesting they should not go ahead and their pay and conditions in the grand scheme of things aren't that bad at all. Luckily she loves her job and went into teaching to teach and not watch her own purse.[/p][/quote]Voted down because of speaking the truth first hand from seeing it and experiencing it for 10 years with my wife. See the teachers are obviously on the T&A site today. Get yourself down the rally in Bradford. Be like last time when they spent most of the day in Lloyds bar[/p][/quote]Don't worry about it mate There's a load of idiots on here who don't like to admit the truth[/p][/quote]Great post - just looking through some of the pictures of the protesting teachers, both locally and nationally ; they all look in a great mood, happy and smiling, waving their banners. "IF YOU CAN READ THIS - THANK A TEACHER". The use of capital letters is probably not necessary........ 4/10 Old Peculiar
  • Score: 9

12:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Al Spade says...

IF YOU CAN READ THIS - THANK A TEACHER

Mt daughter could read before she started school!
IF YOU CAN READ THIS - THANK A TEACHER Mt daughter could read before she started school! Al Spade
  • Score: 4

12:53pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

poster should read " IF YOU CAN'T READ THIS, I'M SORRY I LET YOU DOWN "
poster should read " IF YOU CAN'T READ THIS, I'M SORRY I LET YOU DOWN " alive and awake
  • Score: 5

1:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Hoffster says...

Al Spade wrote:
IF YOU CAN READ THIS - THANK A TEACHER

Mt daughter could read before she started school!
Yep.

The individual holding that sign (and whoever thought of that pathetic statement) should get a life and stop being so patronising.
[quote][p][bold]Al Spade[/bold] wrote: IF YOU CAN READ THIS - THANK A TEACHER Mt daughter could read before she started school![/p][/quote]Yep. The individual holding that sign (and whoever thought of that pathetic statement) should get a life and stop being so patronising. The Hoffster
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Wed 26 Mar 14

vandersar says...

60 hours a week is the absolute minimum any effective teacher could work. The pay-off comes with the longer holidays but the intensity in term time (particularly around the exam period) is very stressful and having worked in the private sector it just doesn't compare.

I don't know how the poster above's wife manages on 40 hours a week - do they live next door to the school? Or does she have someone else plan and mark for her. A quick look at any school's website on the internet will reveal a timetable spanning roughly 7 hours of the day (7x5=35); add another hour per day for meetings, prep, clubs etc (40); planning 20 lessons a week - let's say every lesson takes 10 minutes (it takes longer actually) (43); marking all 150 children's books at 5 minutes a time (it takes longer actually) (55). That's 55 hours at least for a very lazy teacher (take 2/3 off for PPA although these are rarely used for PPA) and this is a 'lazy teacher'. Imagine what the good ones do - if your Daily Mail prejudiced minds will allow you to conceive of the idea of a 'good teacher'

Also the person who suggested striking on teacher training days might be surprised by the fact that most schools do NOT coincide on which days are used for these purposes. Another earth-moving pearl of wisdom.

I'm a parent and a teacher and my daughter's childcare costs me around £40 a day, whereas striking costs me nearer £100. The next time we have a strike, perhaps i should offer to babysit all the children in my class at £40 a head: the parents wouldn't be inconvenienced, I would get a good payday and my Union would feel good about themselves for another 5 months.

Perhaps the biggest idiot here is 'old peculiar': a serial offender in the ignoramus category. 2 out of 5 teachers leave the profession within the first few years - it is clearly NOT an attractive profession. If you want people who care about children stood in classrooms providing a quality education then burdening them with Kafkaesque bureaucracy, administration and box-ticking is about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard.
60 hours a week is the absolute minimum any effective teacher could work. The pay-off comes with the longer holidays but the intensity in term time (particularly around the exam period) is very stressful and having worked in the private sector it just doesn't compare. I don't know how the poster above's wife manages on 40 hours a week - do they live next door to the school? Or does she have someone else plan and mark for her. A quick look at any school's website on the internet will reveal a timetable spanning roughly 7 hours of the day (7x5=35); add another hour per day for meetings, prep, clubs etc (40); planning 20 lessons a week - let's say every lesson takes 10 minutes (it takes longer actually) (43); marking all 150 children's books at 5 minutes a time (it takes longer actually) (55). That's 55 hours at least for a very lazy teacher (take 2/3 off for PPA although these are rarely used for PPA) and this is a 'lazy teacher'. Imagine what the good ones do - if your Daily Mail prejudiced minds will allow you to conceive of the idea of a 'good teacher' Also the person who suggested striking on teacher training days might be surprised by the fact that most schools do NOT coincide on which days are used for these purposes. Another earth-moving pearl of wisdom. I'm a parent and a teacher and my daughter's childcare costs me around £40 a day, whereas striking costs me nearer £100. The next time we have a strike, perhaps i should offer to babysit all the children in my class at £40 a head: the parents wouldn't be inconvenienced, I would get a good payday and my Union would feel good about themselves for another 5 months. Perhaps the biggest idiot here is 'old peculiar': a serial offender in the ignoramus category. 2 out of 5 teachers leave the profession within the first few years - it is clearly NOT an attractive profession. If you want people who care about children stood in classrooms providing a quality education then burdening them with Kafkaesque bureaucracy, administration and box-ticking is about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard. vandersar
  • Score: 7

2:11pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Michael Clayton says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
By law we have to send our children to school. Many parents can't afford the luxury of holidays or get holidays in school holidays. We get fined if our children are not in school . Teachers decide to strike and its our children's education that suffers as schools keep telling us every day matters. Schools can't have it both ways This strike action has angered many parents and many are been forced to take unpaid leave or pay additional costs for child care through no fault of there own. While I agree teachers have to protest its not fair to put children in the middle of the argument. We lead by example to children so can we not be adults and sit round a table and talk. My children's school will receive a bill equivalent to the fine I would receive in protest at their education been disrupted .
You are failing to understand as you are talking of schools as a single entity.

Is it not apparent that for a dispute to occur, there has to be friction between parties? In this case, an argument between the employers (the education authority) and the employees (the teaching staff).

Anyone that tries to argue against the strike on the basis of what they perceive as a double standard is missing the point.

For the hard of thinking, compare the role of the NCB against that of the NUM in the miner's strike. Once you have grasped that concept, apply it to the relevant parties in this dispute.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: By law we have to send our children to school. Many parents can't afford the luxury of holidays or get holidays in school holidays. We get fined if our children are not in school . Teachers decide to strike and its our children's education that suffers as schools keep telling us every day matters. Schools can't have it both ways This strike action has angered many parents and many are been forced to take unpaid leave or pay additional costs for child care through no fault of there own. While I agree teachers have to protest its not fair to put children in the middle of the argument. We lead by example to children so can we not be adults and sit round a table and talk. My children's school will receive a bill equivalent to the fine I would receive in protest at their education been disrupted .[/p][/quote]You are failing to understand as you are talking of schools as a single entity. Is it not apparent that for a dispute to occur, there has to be friction between parties? In this case, an argument between the employers (the education authority) and the employees (the teaching staff). Anyone that tries to argue against the strike on the basis of what they perceive as a double standard is missing the point. For the hard of thinking, compare the role of the NCB against that of the NUM in the miner's strike. Once you have grasped that concept, apply it to the relevant parties in this dispute. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 2

2:22pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

vandersar wrote:
60 hours a week is the absolute minimum any effective teacher could work. The pay-off comes with the longer holidays but the intensity in term time (particularly around the exam period) is very stressful and having worked in the private sector it just doesn't compare.

I don't know how the poster above's wife manages on 40 hours a week - do they live next door to the school? Or does she have someone else plan and mark for her. A quick look at any school's website on the internet will reveal a timetable spanning roughly 7 hours of the day (7x5=35); add another hour per day for meetings, prep, clubs etc (40); planning 20 lessons a week - let's say every lesson takes 10 minutes (it takes longer actually) (43); marking all 150 children's books at 5 minutes a time (it takes longer actually) (55). That's 55 hours at least for a very lazy teacher (take 2/3 off for PPA although these are rarely used for PPA) and this is a 'lazy teacher'. Imagine what the good ones do - if your Daily Mail prejudiced minds will allow you to conceive of the idea of a 'good teacher'

Also the person who suggested striking on teacher training days might be surprised by the fact that most schools do NOT coincide on which days are used for these purposes. Another earth-moving pearl of wisdom.

I'm a parent and a teacher and my daughter's childcare costs me around £40 a day, whereas striking costs me nearer £100. The next time we have a strike, perhaps i should offer to babysit all the children in my class at £40 a head: the parents wouldn't be inconvenienced, I would get a good payday and my Union would feel good about themselves for another 5 months.

Perhaps the biggest idiot here is 'old peculiar': a serial offender in the ignoramus category. 2 out of 5 teachers leave the profession within the first few years - it is clearly NOT an attractive profession. If you want people who care about children stood in classrooms providing a quality education then burdening them with Kafkaesque bureaucracy, administration and box-ticking is about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard.
Thanks for your input although I'm sure your pupils would have rather (well maybe not but their parents would have done) had you teaching them today.

WE pay our taxes for a reason and one of them reasons is that our children receive a level of education in TERM TIME. Strike all you want in your school holidays but don't affect the children that you claim to want to make better people.

Also it was me that suggested striking on teacher training days. I note you say that isn't possible because you all take different days. Well here another "pearl of wisdom" as you put it. TAKE THE SAME TRAINING DAYS.

Or better still don't take any training days and do the job you are meant to be doing and teach the children.

Interesting as well you state 2 out of 5 teachers are leaving the profession within the first few years. All i say is good as if they cant cut it as a teacher then they must be bad and shouldn't be teaching anyway.

Just admit it with your 13 weeks holiday a year, generous (in comparison) pension, pay and conditions it isnt that bad.

You know what if teachers actually admitted it wasn't that bad (like the teacher who I spoke to two weeks ago at my child's parents evening) the public would have a lot more support. Most of us just think you are winging bags when if for example you look at the good work the nurses and emergency services do for a lot less with a lot more hours for a lot less pay.

GET REAL
[quote][p][bold]vandersar[/bold] wrote: 60 hours a week is the absolute minimum any effective teacher could work. The pay-off comes with the longer holidays but the intensity in term time (particularly around the exam period) is very stressful and having worked in the private sector it just doesn't compare. I don't know how the poster above's wife manages on 40 hours a week - do they live next door to the school? Or does she have someone else plan and mark for her. A quick look at any school's website on the internet will reveal a timetable spanning roughly 7 hours of the day (7x5=35); add another hour per day for meetings, prep, clubs etc (40); planning 20 lessons a week - let's say every lesson takes 10 minutes (it takes longer actually) (43); marking all 150 children's books at 5 minutes a time (it takes longer actually) (55). That's 55 hours at least for a very lazy teacher (take 2/3 off for PPA although these are rarely used for PPA) and this is a 'lazy teacher'. Imagine what the good ones do - if your Daily Mail prejudiced minds will allow you to conceive of the idea of a 'good teacher' Also the person who suggested striking on teacher training days might be surprised by the fact that most schools do NOT coincide on which days are used for these purposes. Another earth-moving pearl of wisdom. I'm a parent and a teacher and my daughter's childcare costs me around £40 a day, whereas striking costs me nearer £100. The next time we have a strike, perhaps i should offer to babysit all the children in my class at £40 a head: the parents wouldn't be inconvenienced, I would get a good payday and my Union would feel good about themselves for another 5 months. Perhaps the biggest idiot here is 'old peculiar': a serial offender in the ignoramus category. 2 out of 5 teachers leave the profession within the first few years - it is clearly NOT an attractive profession. If you want people who care about children stood in classrooms providing a quality education then burdening them with Kafkaesque bureaucracy, administration and box-ticking is about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your input although I'm sure your pupils would have rather (well maybe not but their parents would have done) had you teaching them today. WE pay our taxes for a reason and one of them reasons is that our children receive a level of education in TERM TIME. Strike all you want in your school holidays but don't affect the children that you claim to want to make better people. Also it was me that suggested striking on teacher training days. I note you say that isn't possible because you all take different days. Well here another "pearl of wisdom" as you put it. TAKE THE SAME TRAINING DAYS. Or better still don't take any training days and do the job you are meant to be doing and teach the children. Interesting as well you state 2 out of 5 teachers are leaving the profession within the first few years. All i say is good as if they cant cut it as a teacher then they must be bad and shouldn't be teaching anyway. Just admit it with your 13 weeks holiday a year, generous (in comparison) pension, pay and conditions it isnt that bad. You know what if teachers actually admitted it wasn't that bad (like the teacher who I spoke to two weeks ago at my child's parents evening) the public would have a lot more support. Most of us just think you are winging bags when if for example you look at the good work the nurses and emergency services do for a lot less with a lot more hours for a lot less pay. GET REAL Andy2010
  • Score: -3

2:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

vandersar says...

CAPITAL!

WOW! Thanks for your input as well - it was, I'm afraid, a little difficult parsing your vociferous objections to my post as some of your sentences don't quite make sense or refer back to things i clearly haven't written.

One of the things we work hard on in my school is getting students to re-read their work before they release it for appraisal - you might wish to consider that before your next outburst reaches the forum and save us all the extra effort of understanding your peculiar brand of syntax or referencing.

If you'd bothered to read my first paragraph correctly then you would have seen that I did indeed recognise that the teaching profession has its advantages - the particular one i highlighted being the holidays. It's just that you seem to be straining to have me recognise something I already recognised.

As Schools' term times, student needs and calendars vary so greatly between different regions then i'm sure you'll appreciate that having National Training Days would be fairly unpractical and unfeasible. As for not doing Training Days at all, this would make us a fairly unique profession in terms of our approach to professional development and national strategies.

If you'd like to adorn your post with some facts next time, perhaps you could look up pay scales for teachers, nurses and emergency services. You'll find out that they are remarkably similar. Of course this would require some logical thought on your part; however if you prefer to just furiously bang the keyboard and provide us with more anecdotal or plain false diatribe then feel free.
CAPITAL! WOW! Thanks for your input as well - it was, I'm afraid, a little difficult parsing your vociferous objections to my post as some of your sentences don't quite make sense or refer back to things i clearly haven't written. One of the things we work hard on in my school is getting students to re-read their work before they release it for appraisal - you might wish to consider that before your next outburst reaches the forum and save us all the extra effort of understanding your peculiar brand of syntax or referencing. If you'd bothered to read my first paragraph correctly then you would have seen that I did indeed recognise that the teaching profession has its advantages - the particular one i highlighted being the holidays. It's just that you seem to be straining to have me recognise something I already recognised. As Schools' term times, student needs and calendars vary so greatly between different regions then i'm sure you'll appreciate that having National Training Days would be fairly unpractical and unfeasible. As for not doing Training Days at all, this would make us a fairly unique profession in terms of our approach to professional development and national strategies. If you'd like to adorn your post with some facts next time, perhaps you could look up pay scales for teachers, nurses and emergency services. You'll find out that they are remarkably similar. Of course this would require some logical thought on your part; however if you prefer to just furiously bang the keyboard and provide us with more anecdotal or plain false diatribe then feel free. vandersar
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ade_splat says...

food_for_thought wrote:
collos25 wrote:
If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock.
So speaks someone who has never taught.

I qualified as a teacher in the 80s and went to work in a secondary school - I lasted all of 1 academic year! After months of working 12 hour days and still being so snowed under that I had to put in another 12 hours over every weekend, all for about 2/3rds of what a probationary copper was on at the time, I decided that the 'real' world couldn't be any worse. For a very long time in my new 'proper' job I had so much surplus energy that I couldn't believe that this was work. After a very successful and reasonably lucrative career in industry (unfortunately cut short by chronic illness) the only thing I regret about leaving the profession is the pension provision which, even after the current changes, still seems pretty attractive to someone who has seen his 30+ yrs of savings actually reduce in value more than once in recent years.

Anyone who makes even a half- decent stab at teaching, especially in the immensely challenging demographic of Bradford, and in the feckless mess that 'can't leave well alone' politicians have created since scrapping tiered education provision in the 70s, has my profound respect and admiration.

That said - the NUT (like many unions) are a bunch of loonies who shouldn't be left in charge of a chimpanzee enclosure and this strike action is neither justified nor professional.
I certainly teachers kids how to react if you want to get your own way....and that is not sitting around a table like adults!
[quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock.[/p][/quote]So speaks someone who has never taught. I qualified as a teacher in the 80s and went to work in a secondary school - I lasted all of 1 academic year! After months of working 12 hour days and still being so snowed under that I had to put in another 12 hours over every weekend, all for about 2/3rds of what a probationary copper was on at the time, I decided that the 'real' world couldn't be any worse. For a very long time in my new 'proper' job I had so much surplus energy that I couldn't believe that this was work. After a very successful and reasonably lucrative career in industry (unfortunately cut short by chronic illness) the only thing I regret about leaving the profession is the pension provision which, even after the current changes, still seems pretty attractive to someone who has seen his 30+ yrs of savings actually reduce in value more than once in recent years. Anyone who makes even a half- decent stab at teaching, especially in the immensely challenging demographic of Bradford, and in the feckless mess that 'can't leave well alone' politicians have created since scrapping tiered education provision in the 70s, has my profound respect and admiration. That said - the NUT (like many unions) are a bunch of loonies who shouldn't be left in charge of a chimpanzee enclosure and this strike action is neither justified nor professional.[/p][/quote]I certainly teachers kids how to react if you want to get your own way....and that is not sitting around a table like adults! ade_splat
  • Score: 1

3:14pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

To all you frustrated parents out there, did you know that the Teachers do not have to tell the Headmaster if they intend to strike or not, making it difficult for the Head to plan which children are to stay away or not. This cannot be right, I wonder how many teachers turned into school to find an empty class, quiet day on full pay. Not bad eh! Sod the kids and parents
To all you frustrated parents out there, did you know that the Teachers do not have to tell the Headmaster if they intend to strike or not, making it difficult for the Head to plan which children are to stay away or not. This cannot be right, I wonder how many teachers turned into school to find an empty class, quiet day on full pay. Not bad eh! Sod the kids and parents alive and awake
  • Score: 0

3:21pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Old Peculiar says...

vandersar wrote:
60 hours a week is the absolute minimum any effective teacher could work. The pay-off comes with the longer holidays but the intensity in term time (particularly around the exam period) is very stressful and having worked in the private sector it just doesn't compare. I don't know how the poster above's wife manages on 40 hours a week - do they live next door to the school? Or does she have someone else plan and mark for her. A quick look at any school's website on the internet will reveal a timetable spanning roughly 7 hours of the day (7x5=35); add another hour per day for meetings, prep, clubs etc (40); planning 20 lessons a week - let's say every lesson takes 10 minutes (it takes longer actually) (43); marking all 150 children's books at 5 minutes a time (it takes longer actually) (55). That's 55 hours at least for a very lazy teacher (take 2/3 off for PPA although these are rarely used for PPA) and this is a 'lazy teacher'. Imagine what the good ones do - if your Daily Mail prejudiced minds will allow you to conceive of the idea of a 'good teacher' Also the person who suggested striking on teacher training days might be surprised by the fact that most schools do NOT coincide on which days are used for these purposes. Another earth-moving pearl of wisdom. I'm a parent and a teacher and my daughter's childcare costs me around £40 a day, whereas striking costs me nearer £100. The next time we have a strike, perhaps i should offer to babysit all the children in my class at £40 a head: the parents wouldn't be inconvenienced, I would get a good payday and my Union would feel good about themselves for another 5 months. Perhaps the biggest idiot here is 'old peculiar': a serial offender in the ignoramus category. 2 out of 5 teachers leave the profession within the first few years - it is clearly NOT an attractive profession. If you want people who care about children stood in classrooms providing a quality education then burdening them with Kafkaesque bureaucracy, administration and box-ticking is about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard.
Go on, keep spouting your drivel. 60 hrs a week, blah blah blah, no mention of the fact that the vast amount of lessons plans are now pre-scripted / online these days, and are lessons allocated for marking these days ?
A previous poster suggested that if teachers had to make their way in the real world, ie - having to justify their existence, they'd come to down to earth with a big bump - you and your aloof attitude (and not forgetting your excellent dictation "Kafkaesque bureaucracy", that really impresses, I'm having that one) are exactly the type of person who was born to be a teacher......
Shouldn't you be in Centenary Square, waving your banners ? Or are you waiting for the Summer strikes ? Get a nice sun tan in town eh.....
[quote][p][bold]vandersar[/bold] wrote: 60 hours a week is the absolute minimum any effective teacher could work. The pay-off comes with the longer holidays but the intensity in term time (particularly around the exam period) is very stressful and having worked in the private sector it just doesn't compare. I don't know how the poster above's wife manages on 40 hours a week - do they live next door to the school? Or does she have someone else plan and mark for her. A quick look at any school's website on the internet will reveal a timetable spanning roughly 7 hours of the day (7x5=35); add another hour per day for meetings, prep, clubs etc (40); planning 20 lessons a week - let's say every lesson takes 10 minutes (it takes longer actually) (43); marking all 150 children's books at 5 minutes a time (it takes longer actually) (55). That's 55 hours at least for a very lazy teacher (take 2/3 off for PPA although these are rarely used for PPA) and this is a 'lazy teacher'. Imagine what the good ones do - if your Daily Mail prejudiced minds will allow you to conceive of the idea of a 'good teacher' Also the person who suggested striking on teacher training days might be surprised by the fact that most schools do NOT coincide on which days are used for these purposes. Another earth-moving pearl of wisdom. I'm a parent and a teacher and my daughter's childcare costs me around £40 a day, whereas striking costs me nearer £100. The next time we have a strike, perhaps i should offer to babysit all the children in my class at £40 a head: the parents wouldn't be inconvenienced, I would get a good payday and my Union would feel good about themselves for another 5 months. Perhaps the biggest idiot here is 'old peculiar': a serial offender in the ignoramus category. 2 out of 5 teachers leave the profession within the first few years - it is clearly NOT an attractive profession. If you want people who care about children stood in classrooms providing a quality education then burdening them with Kafkaesque bureaucracy, administration and box-ticking is about as helpful as a chocolate fireguard.[/p][/quote]Go on, keep spouting your drivel. 60 hrs a week, blah blah blah, no mention of the fact that the vast amount of lessons plans are now pre-scripted / online these days, and are lessons allocated for marking these days ? A previous poster suggested that if teachers had to make their way in the real world, ie - having to justify their existence, they'd come to down to earth with a big bump - you and your aloof attitude (and not forgetting your excellent dictation "Kafkaesque bureaucracy", that really impresses, I'm having that one) are exactly the type of person who was born to be a teacher...... Shouldn't you be in Centenary Square, waving your banners ? Or are you waiting for the Summer strikes ? Get a nice sun tan in town eh..... Old Peculiar
  • Score: -3

3:29pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

vandersar wrote:
CAPITAL!

WOW! Thanks for your input as well - it was, I'm afraid, a little difficult parsing your vociferous objections to my post as some of your sentences don't quite make sense or refer back to things i clearly haven't written.

One of the things we work hard on in my school is getting students to re-read their work before they release it for appraisal - you might wish to consider that before your next outburst reaches the forum and save us all the extra effort of understanding your peculiar brand of syntax or referencing.

If you'd bothered to read my first paragraph correctly then you would have seen that I did indeed recognise that the teaching profession has its advantages - the particular one i highlighted being the holidays. It's just that you seem to be straining to have me recognise something I already recognised.

As Schools' term times, student needs and calendars vary so greatly between different regions then i'm sure you'll appreciate that having National Training Days would be fairly unpractical and unfeasible. As for not doing Training Days at all, this would make us a fairly unique profession in terms of our approach to professional development and national strategies.

If you'd like to adorn your post with some facts next time, perhaps you could look up pay scales for teachers, nurses and emergency services. You'll find out that they are remarkably similar. Of course this would require some logical thought on your part; however if you prefer to just furiously bang the keyboard and provide us with more anecdotal or plain false diatribe then feel free.
I take it you are referring to my post?.

If this is the case then please would you post correctly and quote the poster you are referring to.

As this an internet forum not an English test posters can freely post however they want be that in way of bad grammar, spelling etc etc as long as they feel happy they get their point across which I do.

Ok lets agree that other similar civil jobs such as nurses obtain a similar level of pay but do nurses, police or fire have the same holiday entitlement?

Lets also touch on one of your points. " As Schools' term times, student needs and calendars vary so greatly between different regions then I'm sure you'll appreciate that having National Training Days would be fairly unpractical and unfeasible"

Firstly its capital I in I'm not "i'm" but that aside here's another bit of blue sky thinking. Why don't all schools in England have exactly the same term times. I'm open to listening to your reasons which are 100% justifiable as to why not.

Secondly I applaud you on the effort and time put into your posts. Maybe if you put as much time in and would have spent today teaching children today rather than being on the T&A website your pupils would have benefited from an extra days education.

Surely as a teacher you would agree for a child to lose a days education through no fault of their own is detrimental to their future? Care to disagree?.

Also I see you like numbers to put your point across. oh deary me lets do some comparisons then

Teachers work as you put on average 60 hours a week (lol). Well for arguements sake lets agree the poor overworked souls

So that's 60 hours x 39 working weeks equates to a teacher working 2340 hours a year.

The company that I work for on average I would say people work about 50 hours a week with 4 weeks holiday so that's 2400 hours a year.

So there you have it in numbers.

Coupled with that fact that they don't receive the same pensions etc etc you really still believe your all hard done to.

That aside most people including myself really have nothing against teachers. I have a problem with teachers striking and effecting my child's education and constantly moaning about how they are so hard done to when in reality they are not.

Instead of striking why not just organise a rally or march in school holidays to get your point across . You could then call on the "other" union (who disagree with the NUT action) and all get together and voice your concerns in the holidays. By doing this you would have a lot more public support (see the T&A poll on main page for example) and it wouldn't effect anyone.


And if y
[quote][p][bold]vandersar[/bold] wrote: CAPITAL! WOW! Thanks for your input as well - it was, I'm afraid, a little difficult parsing your vociferous objections to my post as some of your sentences don't quite make sense or refer back to things i clearly haven't written. One of the things we work hard on in my school is getting students to re-read their work before they release it for appraisal - you might wish to consider that before your next outburst reaches the forum and save us all the extra effort of understanding your peculiar brand of syntax or referencing. If you'd bothered to read my first paragraph correctly then you would have seen that I did indeed recognise that the teaching profession has its advantages - the particular one i highlighted being the holidays. It's just that you seem to be straining to have me recognise something I already recognised. As Schools' term times, student needs and calendars vary so greatly between different regions then i'm sure you'll appreciate that having National Training Days would be fairly unpractical and unfeasible. As for not doing Training Days at all, this would make us a fairly unique profession in terms of our approach to professional development and national strategies. If you'd like to adorn your post with some facts next time, perhaps you could look up pay scales for teachers, nurses and emergency services. You'll find out that they are remarkably similar. Of course this would require some logical thought on your part; however if you prefer to just furiously bang the keyboard and provide us with more anecdotal or plain false diatribe then feel free.[/p][/quote]I take it you are referring to my post?. If this is the case then please would you post correctly and quote the poster you are referring to. As this an internet forum not an English test posters can freely post however they want be that in way of bad grammar, spelling etc etc as long as they feel happy they get their point across which I do. Ok lets agree that other similar civil jobs such as nurses obtain a similar level of pay but do nurses, police or fire have the same holiday entitlement? Lets also touch on one of your points. " As Schools' term times, student needs and calendars vary so greatly between different regions then I'm sure you'll appreciate that having National Training Days would be fairly unpractical and unfeasible" Firstly its capital I in I'm not "i'm" but that aside here's another bit of blue sky thinking. Why don't all schools in England have exactly the same term times. I'm open to listening to your reasons which are 100% justifiable as to why not. Secondly I applaud you on the effort and time put into your posts. Maybe if you put as much time in and would have spent today teaching children today rather than being on the T&A website your pupils would have benefited from an extra days education. Surely as a teacher you would agree for a child to lose a days education through no fault of their own is detrimental to their future? Care to disagree?. Also I see you like numbers to put your point across. oh deary me lets do some comparisons then Teachers work as you put on average 60 hours a week (lol). Well for arguements sake lets agree the poor overworked souls So that's 60 hours x 39 working weeks equates to a teacher working 2340 hours a year. The company that I work for on average I would say people work about 50 hours a week with 4 weeks holiday so that's 2400 hours a year. So there you have it in numbers. Coupled with that fact that they don't receive the same pensions etc etc you really still believe your all hard done to. That aside most people including myself really have nothing against teachers. I have a problem with teachers striking and effecting my child's education and constantly moaning about how they are so hard done to when in reality they are not. Instead of striking why not just organise a rally or march in school holidays to get your point across . You could then call on the "other" union (who disagree with the NUT action) and all get together and voice your concerns in the holidays. By doing this you would have a lot more public support (see the T&A poll on main page for example) and it wouldn't effect anyone. And if y Andy2010
  • Score: -3

3:36pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

alive and awake wrote:
To all you frustrated parents out there, did you know that the Teachers do not have to tell the Headmaster if they intend to strike or not, making it difficult for the Head to plan which children are to stay away or not. This cannot be right, I wonder how many teachers turned into school to find an empty class, quiet day on full pay. Not bad eh! Sod the kids and parents
Also there is an excellent internet campaign going I just spotted to charge the NUT with the cost not only of childcare today but also a £60 fine.

All perfectly legal and above board of which the NUT have to settle to avoid court action.

I would encourage all parents affected by today's strikes to send and invoice with a covering letter to

NUT
Hamilton House, Mabledon Place,
London,
WC1H 9BD

You must allow then 21 days to settle your invoice by way of cheque then following this you can use the court service website

https://www.moneycla
im.gov.uk

to issue a county court claim against them should they not settle.

Last time a strike occurred they settled a number of these claims so you have nothing to lose at all.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: To all you frustrated parents out there, did you know that the Teachers do not have to tell the Headmaster if they intend to strike or not, making it difficult for the Head to plan which children are to stay away or not. This cannot be right, I wonder how many teachers turned into school to find an empty class, quiet day on full pay. Not bad eh! Sod the kids and parents[/p][/quote]Also there is an excellent internet campaign going I just spotted to charge the NUT with the cost not only of childcare today but also a £60 fine. All perfectly legal and above board of which the NUT have to settle to avoid court action. I would encourage all parents affected by today's strikes to send and invoice with a covering letter to NUT Hamilton House, Mabledon Place, London, WC1H 9BD You must allow then 21 days to settle your invoice by way of cheque then following this you can use the court service website https://www.moneycla im.gov.uk to issue a county court claim against them should they not settle. Last time a strike occurred they settled a number of these claims so you have nothing to lose at all. Andy2010
  • Score: 1

3:37pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Joseph 1968 says...

Gosh. What a lot of angry ranters.

Teachers on strike = They should try my job, I top them by working 25 hours a day, 8 days a week AND I had to do it all in heels backwards.

Yawn.

Bitter with their own lives. Unable to punctuate their sentences. They have a go at people trying to change things for the better for themselves, their profession and the future shape of education for the next generation.

Go and have a go at some other group who has the balls to stand up for what they believe. I am sure these hard working professionals are bored of you!
Gosh. What a lot of angry ranters. Teachers on strike = They should try my job, I top them by working 25 hours a day, 8 days a week AND I had to do it all in heels backwards. Yawn. Bitter with their own lives. Unable to punctuate their sentences. They have a go at people trying to change things for the better for themselves, their profession and the future shape of education for the next generation. Go and have a go at some other group who has the balls to stand up for what they believe. I am sure these hard working professionals are bored of you! Joseph 1968
  • Score: 7

3:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

bd7 helper says...

Teachers aren't teaching properly that's why u ain't gettin a pay rise
Teachers aren't teaching properly that's why u ain't gettin a pay rise bd7 helper
  • Score: 3

3:51pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Joseph 1968 wrote:
Gosh. What a lot of angry ranters.

Teachers on strike = They should try my job, I top them by working 25 hours a day, 8 days a week AND I had to do it all in heels backwards.

Yawn.

Bitter with their own lives. Unable to punctuate their sentences. They have a go at people trying to change things for the better for themselves, their profession and the future shape of education for the next generation.

Go and have a go at some other group who has the balls to stand up for what they believe. I am sure these hard working professionals are bored of you!
Another teacher bored today I see
[quote][p][bold]Joseph 1968[/bold] wrote: Gosh. What a lot of angry ranters. Teachers on strike = They should try my job, I top them by working 25 hours a day, 8 days a week AND I had to do it all in heels backwards. Yawn. Bitter with their own lives. Unable to punctuate their sentences. They have a go at people trying to change things for the better for themselves, their profession and the future shape of education for the next generation. Go and have a go at some other group who has the balls to stand up for what they believe. I am sure these hard working professionals are bored of you![/p][/quote]Another teacher bored today I see Andy2010
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Old Peculiar says...

Joseph 1968 wrote:
Gosh. What a lot of angry ranters. Teachers on strike = They should try my job, I top them by working 25 hours a day, 8 days a week AND I had to do it all in heels backwards. Yawn. Bitter with their own lives. Unable to punctuate their sentences. They have a go at people trying to change things for the better for themselves, their profession and the future shape of education for the next generation. Go and have a go at some other group who has the balls to stand up for what they believe. I am sure these hard working professionals are bored of you!
Why not stand up and go do the job that you decided to do as a career.
A few years ago, there was a campaign to attract new teachers, the calling card was "Those who can, teach".
I'd add "Those that can't be arsed, go on strike".
[quote][p][bold]Joseph 1968[/bold] wrote: Gosh. What a lot of angry ranters. Teachers on strike = They should try my job, I top them by working 25 hours a day, 8 days a week AND I had to do it all in heels backwards. Yawn. Bitter with their own lives. Unable to punctuate their sentences. They have a go at people trying to change things for the better for themselves, their profession and the future shape of education for the next generation. Go and have a go at some other group who has the balls to stand up for what they believe. I am sure these hard working professionals are bored of you![/p][/quote]Why not stand up and go do the job that you decided to do as a career. A few years ago, there was a campaign to attract new teachers, the calling card was "Those who can, teach". I'd add "Those that can't be arsed, go on strike". Old Peculiar
  • Score: -1

4:04pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Wed 26 Mar 14

collos25 says...

food_for_thought wrote:
collos25 wrote:
If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock.
So speaks someone who has never taught.

I qualified as a teacher in the 80s and went to work in a secondary school - I lasted all of 1 academic year! After months of working 12 hour days and still being so snowed under that I had to put in another 12 hours over every weekend, all for about 2/3rds of what a probationary copper was on at the time, I decided that the 'real' world couldn't be any worse. For a very long time in my new 'proper' job I had so much surplus energy that I couldn't believe that this was work. After a very successful and reasonably lucrative career in industry (unfortunately cut short by chronic illness) the only thing I regret about leaving the profession is the pension provision which, even after the current changes, still seems pretty attractive to someone who has seen his 30+ yrs of savings actually reduce in value more than once in recent years.

Anyone who makes even a half- decent stab at teaching, especially in the immensely challenging demographic of Bradford, and in the feckless mess that 'can't leave well alone' politicians have created since scrapping tiered education provision in the 70s, has my profound respect and admiration.

That said - the NUT (like many unions) are a bunch of loonies who shouldn't be left in charge of a chimpanzee enclosure and this strike action is neither justified nor professional.
I have worked in some of the most awful places in the world no sanitation many hours a day seven days a week heat and cold wet and dry to the extremes ,Believe me when I taught in the UK it was a doddle my mother was a teacher she would confirm that teachers do not known they are born.
[quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: If some or most of these teachers had to make their way in the real world they would be in for a very big shock.[/p][/quote]So speaks someone who has never taught. I qualified as a teacher in the 80s and went to work in a secondary school - I lasted all of 1 academic year! After months of working 12 hour days and still being so snowed under that I had to put in another 12 hours over every weekend, all for about 2/3rds of what a probationary copper was on at the time, I decided that the 'real' world couldn't be any worse. For a very long time in my new 'proper' job I had so much surplus energy that I couldn't believe that this was work. After a very successful and reasonably lucrative career in industry (unfortunately cut short by chronic illness) the only thing I regret about leaving the profession is the pension provision which, even after the current changes, still seems pretty attractive to someone who has seen his 30+ yrs of savings actually reduce in value more than once in recent years. Anyone who makes even a half- decent stab at teaching, especially in the immensely challenging demographic of Bradford, and in the feckless mess that 'can't leave well alone' politicians have created since scrapping tiered education provision in the 70s, has my profound respect and admiration. That said - the NUT (like many unions) are a bunch of loonies who shouldn't be left in charge of a chimpanzee enclosure and this strike action is neither justified nor professional.[/p][/quote]I have worked in some of the most awful places in the world no sanitation many hours a day seven days a week heat and cold wet and dry to the extremes ,Believe me when I taught in the UK it was a doddle my mother was a teacher she would confirm that teachers do not known they are born. collos25
  • Score: 1

4:48pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right. alive and awake
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are Andy2010
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Wed 26 Mar 14

greenside says...

Some people seem to think teaching is a cushy number.
If this was the case 2 out of 5 new teachers would not be wanting to leave the profession.

Teaching has essentially two parts. Actual teaching. This is demanding and exhausting on its own.
Then there is the marking, assessing and planning. This is done mostly after the children have gone home. Teachers work hard.
I knew a GP who went into teaching, within a few years she returned to being a GP due to the intensive nature of teaching. Her husband was also a GP she did not need a GP's salary.

Schools are told that standards are low, yet schools are told it is ok to have unqualified teachers. Does this make sense?

We have a national curriculum but academies do not have to teach it! Why?

The Government ignores educational research and follows own ideas and political goals.

Research shows clearly that collaboration works, yet the government pits schools and authorities against each other.

Research and recent experience with hospitals, police and traffic wardens shows that simplistic targets do not work. Application of simplistic targets do not work in education either.

We are told about the achievements of Korean children. I can guarantee that a random seven year old Korean child parachuted into a random British school will make good or outstanding progress. This is because a child's education achievements are based on the nature of their life outside school not just what happens in schools. Teachers across Britain work against the odds to help disadvantaged children learn.
Some people seem to think teaching is a cushy number. If this was the case 2 out of 5 new teachers would not be wanting to leave the profession. Teaching has essentially two parts. Actual teaching. This is demanding and exhausting on its own. Then there is the marking, assessing and planning. This is done mostly after the children have gone home. Teachers work hard. I knew a GP who went into teaching, within a few years she returned to being a GP due to the intensive nature of teaching. Her husband was also a GP she did not need a GP's salary. Schools are told that standards are low, yet schools are told it is ok to have unqualified teachers. Does this make sense? We have a national curriculum but academies do not have to teach it! Why? The Government ignores educational research and follows own ideas and political goals. Research shows clearly that collaboration works, yet the government pits schools and authorities against each other. Research and recent experience with hospitals, police and traffic wardens shows that simplistic targets do not work. Application of simplistic targets do not work in education either. We are told about the achievements of Korean children. I can guarantee that a random seven year old Korean child parachuted into a random British school will make good or outstanding progress. This is because a child's education achievements are based on the nature of their life outside school not just what happens in schools. Teachers across Britain work against the odds to help disadvantaged children learn. greenside
  • Score: 2

5:34pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

5:41pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
You must have been talking about the public support.

You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up?

As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you.[/p][/quote]You must have been talking about the public support. You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up? As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus Andy2010
  • Score: 8

5:50pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
You must have been talking about the public support.

You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up?

As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus
The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you.[/p][/quote]You must have been talking about the public support. You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up? As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus[/p][/quote]The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -6

6:07pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Viwinner says...

It would help if the mainstream media got behind this and reported on the reality of teaching today but instead it's all about the disruption caused by a one day strike. How about the disruption that Gove's onslaught is having on the entire education system in England? So fed up with the BBC. They have given Gove such an easy ride.
It would help if the mainstream media got behind this and reported on the reality of teaching today but instead it's all about the disruption caused by a one day strike. How about the disruption that Gove's onslaught is having on the entire education system in England? So fed up with the BBC. They have given Gove such an easy ride. Viwinner
  • Score: 0

6:15pm Wed 26 Mar 14

vandersar says...

Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time)

Andy 2010

Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter.

Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts.

You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work.

I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too.

Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning.

As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior.

Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol)

Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove.
Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time) Andy 2010 Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter. Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts. You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work. I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too. Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning. As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior. Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol) Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove. vandersar
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

vandersar wrote:
Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time)

Andy 2010

Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter.

Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts.

You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work.

I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too.

Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning.

As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior.

Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol)

Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove.
Lets just agree to disagree

Tomorrow you will all be back into work with nothing achieved apart from depriving your pupils of a days education.

So with that in mind I wish you good day and all the best.
[quote][p][bold]vandersar[/bold] wrote: Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time) Andy 2010 Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter. Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts. You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work. I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too. Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning. As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior. Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol) Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove.[/p][/quote]Lets just agree to disagree Tomorrow you will all be back into work with nothing achieved apart from depriving your pupils of a days education. So with that in mind I wish you good day and all the best. Andy2010
  • Score: 4

6:36pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
You must have been talking about the public support.

You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up?

As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus
The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?
Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you.[/p][/quote]You must have been talking about the public support. You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up? As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus[/p][/quote]The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?[/p][/quote]Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy Andy2010
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Yorkshire Lass says...

Craig wrote:
Love the TA comments page; only here can people who don't know the difference between their and there and being and been have the temerity to pass judgement and condemn those who educate THEIR children.

By the way, teachers have a legal right to strike (unpaid), the law says headteachers have no discretion to grant holidays in term time, and who dreamt that change to legislation up - GOVE!
If Bradford weren't so low in the education leagues for the UK maybe they would get more support. As it stands, the teachers should be in school where they belong making every effort possible to give the children the best start in life. A jump up the league tables would be more encouraging instead of wasting their time on behalf of the unions.
[quote][p][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote: Love the TA comments page; only here can people who don't know the difference between their and there and being and been have the temerity to pass judgement and condemn those who educate THEIR children. By the way, teachers have a legal right to strike (unpaid), the law says headteachers have no discretion to grant holidays in term time, and who dreamt that change to legislation up - GOVE![/p][/quote]If Bradford weren't so low in the education leagues for the UK maybe they would get more support. As it stands, the teachers should be in school where they belong making every effort possible to give the children the best start in life. A jump up the league tables would be more encouraging instead of wasting their time on behalf of the unions. Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 3

6:54pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
You must have been talking about the public support.

You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up?

As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus
The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?
Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy
I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you.[/p][/quote]You must have been talking about the public support. You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up? As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus[/p][/quote]The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?[/p][/quote]Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy[/p][/quote]I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

7:18pm Wed 26 Mar 14

JAtkinson says...

Andy2010 wrote:
vandersar wrote:
Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time)

Andy 2010

Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter.

Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts.

You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work.

I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too.

Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning.

As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior.

Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol)

Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove.
Lets just agree to disagree

Tomorrow you will all be back into work with nothing achieved apart from depriving your pupils of a days education.

So with that in mind I wish you good day and all the best.
Hahaha - back in your box, Andy. Fantastic use of facts to make the blind see - well done Vandersar.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vandersar[/bold] wrote: Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time) Andy 2010 Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter. Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts. You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work. I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too. Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning. As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior. Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol) Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove.[/p][/quote]Lets just agree to disagree Tomorrow you will all be back into work with nothing achieved apart from depriving your pupils of a days education. So with that in mind I wish you good day and all the best.[/p][/quote]Hahaha - back in your box, Andy. Fantastic use of facts to make the blind see - well done Vandersar. JAtkinson
  • Score: -2

7:32pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

7:57pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough. alive and awake
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****" RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

8:31pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher. alive and awake
  • Score: 3

8:36pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!". RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

8:44pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".
I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".[/p][/quote]I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so. alive and awake
  • Score: 3

9:07pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".
I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.
You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".[/p][/quote]I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.[/p][/quote]You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

9:26pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".
I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.
You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?
You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".[/p][/quote]I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.[/p][/quote]You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?[/p][/quote]You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature. alive and awake
  • Score: 5

9:47pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".
I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.
You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?
You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature.
I just noticed that there were spelling and grammatical errors in every one of your comments to me and put 2 and 2 together. Should we blame your education? Was your teacher distracted by other concerns like getting enough money to pay their bills let alone "make work pay" and couldn't concentrate on giving you the attention that you needed?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".[/p][/quote]I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.[/p][/quote]You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?[/p][/quote]You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature.[/p][/quote]I just noticed that there were spelling and grammatical errors in every one of your comments to me and put 2 and 2 together. Should we blame your education? Was your teacher distracted by other concerns like getting enough money to pay their bills let alone "make work pay" and couldn't concentrate on giving you the attention that you needed? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

9:58pm Wed 26 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".
I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.
You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?
You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature.
I just noticed that there were spelling and grammatical errors in every one of your comments to me and put 2 and 2 together. Should we blame your education? Was your teacher distracted by other concerns like getting enough money to pay their bills let alone "make work pay" and couldn't concentrate on giving you the attention that you needed?
No I have to dumb things down to drop to your level. If you prefer I could communicate in Latin.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".[/p][/quote]I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.[/p][/quote]You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?[/p][/quote]You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature.[/p][/quote]I just noticed that there were spelling and grammatical errors in every one of your comments to me and put 2 and 2 together. Should we blame your education? Was your teacher distracted by other concerns like getting enough money to pay their bills let alone "make work pay" and couldn't concentrate on giving you the attention that you needed?[/p][/quote]No I have to dumb things down to drop to your level. If you prefer I could communicate in Latin. alive and awake
  • Score: 2

10:10pm Wed 26 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?
Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.
To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"
This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.
Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".
I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.
You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?
You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature.
I just noticed that there were spelling and grammatical errors in every one of your comments to me and put 2 and 2 together. Should we blame your education? Was your teacher distracted by other concerns like getting enough money to pay their bills let alone "make work pay" and couldn't concentrate on giving you the attention that you needed?
No I have to dumb things down to drop to your level. If you prefer I could communicate in Latin.
Comes in useful does it? Is that why Gove is wanting all the kiddies to learn it? So as they have a better understanding of what fools like yourself are going on about because your English is crap?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: What happened to the 52 comments? Were they not conveying the message that the T&A was aiming for?[/p][/quote]Your going to be one sad smoker, in 16 months, might be sooner if D.C. gets brave enough.[/p][/quote]To what? Go against the vast majority of public opinion yet again? No-one will remember Cameron's name in 16 months and any mention of it will be accompanied by an obligatory "That ****"[/p][/quote]This coalition as been the best Government we have had since Lady Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Who's name is seldom mentioned without the accompanying words "That ****!".[/p][/quote]I my circles Lady Thatcher is spoken of with much affection, many is the glass of port or brandy I have raised in her honour and memory, and I am proud to say so.[/p][/quote]You been on the Port and Brandy tonight? Best stay off the computer you're embarrassing yourself. By your circles do you mean down the Conservative club or the Lodge?[/p][/quote]You really do have a nerve RS. You are so limited in your knowledge of life, and human nature.[/p][/quote]I just noticed that there were spelling and grammatical errors in every one of your comments to me and put 2 and 2 together. Should we blame your education? Was your teacher distracted by other concerns like getting enough money to pay their bills let alone "make work pay" and couldn't concentrate on giving you the attention that you needed?[/p][/quote]No I have to dumb things down to drop to your level. If you prefer I could communicate in Latin.[/p][/quote]Comes in useful does it? Is that why Gove is wanting all the kiddies to learn it? So as they have a better understanding of what fools like yourself are going on about because your English is crap? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

10:20pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Mr Capp says...

The teachers are taxpayer funded and should comply with whatever is required of them. It is not up to them to decide what they should do and what they shouldn't do. Due to the recession many private and public sector workers are going without pay rises and council tax had been held down along with inflation and interest rates which are at the lowest levels ever. In this recession we all have to cut our cloth accordingly and teachers are no different. They are well paid and have the provision of an index linked pension when they retire. The conditions are excellent compared to most workers and I think you will find that most people have little sympathy for them over this strike. They are only hurting themselves and their pupil's education.
The teachers are taxpayer funded and should comply with whatever is required of them. It is not up to them to decide what they should do and what they shouldn't do. Due to the recession many private and public sector workers are going without pay rises and council tax had been held down along with inflation and interest rates which are at the lowest levels ever. In this recession we all have to cut our cloth accordingly and teachers are no different. They are well paid and have the provision of an index linked pension when they retire. The conditions are excellent compared to most workers and I think you will find that most people have little sympathy for them over this strike. They are only hurting themselves and their pupil's education. Mr Capp
  • Score: 5

10:43pm Wed 26 Mar 14

stayawayfan says...

alive and awake wrote:
Utter disgrace! they should be fined, most of the many teachers I have come across would be unemployable in real life. (They have been brainwashed by the Labour party and the Unions). Have a chid for 12 years12 YEARS fgs. and then turn them out not being able to read or write. Shame.
How many of those that leave unable to read have parents that read with them at home, in my experience not many. Probably same parents that claim their poorly behaved children have Adhd. Same parents that have numerous offspring as a means of claiming more benefits.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Utter disgrace! they should be fined, most of the many teachers I have come across would be unemployable in real life. (They have been brainwashed by the Labour party and the Unions). Have a chid for 12 years12 YEARS fgs. and then turn them out not being able to read or write. Shame.[/p][/quote]How many of those that leave unable to read have parents that read with them at home, in my experience not many. Probably same parents that claim their poorly behaved children have Adhd. Same parents that have numerous offspring as a means of claiming more benefits. stayawayfan
  • Score: 5

11:36pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Bantambhoy says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
Wondered when you'd appear. First chance to bash the Tories on here eh, Rolly?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]Wondered when you'd appear. First chance to bash the Tories on here eh, Rolly? Bantambhoy
  • Score: 3

7:09am Thu 27 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
vandersar wrote:
Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time)

Andy 2010

Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter.

Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts.

You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work.

I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too.

Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning.

As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior.

Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol)

Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove.
Lets just agree to disagree

Tomorrow you will all be back into work with nothing achieved apart from depriving your pupils of a days education.

So with that in mind I wish you good day and all the best.
Hahaha - back in your box, Andy. Fantastic use of facts to make the blind see - well done Vandersar.
What facts?

I cant see any apart from a teacher spouting who should have been doing the work they are paid to do.

I had to leave the conversation last night as I needed to get up at 5am this morning to be in work for a 14 hour day but will check back on here later for you facts you claim.
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vandersar[/bold] wrote: Old peculiar - can you find me these apocryphal lessons with scripts please? I'd love to see the evidence. I'll be teaching Religion in 17th century literature tomorrow with a view to reading the later chapters of Robinson Crusoe - that's period 1 and year 8. You'll need, of course, to adapt any resources you find for the appropriate reading ages and SEN. Remember, you promised a plan and a script and you'll need to post it by 17:30 (in 10 minutes time) Andy 2010 Why copy and paste and quote? Surely the former precludes the need for the latter. Where to begin? Mmm well I might first congratulate you for recognising your previous errors-perhaps you'll avoid having to eat humble pie again if you check your facts. You are indeed welcome to post in any way you see fit - i just think that it's difficult to read. Maybe if you took my suggestion and self-appraised before posting then you would appear more credit-worthy and gain valuable insight into the average length of time taken to evaluate, grade and give feedback to pupils' work. I have no idea why schools don't share term times - it's not a decision taken by me and has nothing to do with this argument. In Bradford, many students want to celebrate Eid so the schools shorten the Christmas break to accommodate this. There are other reasons but it doesn't matter - striking on training days would have a negative impact too. Yes, losing a day's education is detrimental but not half as detrimental as being taught by a 68 year old, or a non-specialist teacher, or an unqualified teacher, or one of the 2/5 who leave within the first few years, or someone who spends their time form-filling and box-ticking instead of planning engaging lessons, or any one of the other thousands of demoralised, desperately unhappy people that file into our schools every morning. As it happens i did put some thought into my post. The good thing about this website is that you can discover some interesting things about the people who post on it. You for example are a serial ab user of this forum (all this despite claiming to work 50 hours a week) so let's just agree on which of us is shirking their work to be a keyboard warrior. Your hilarious attempt at Maths really worked too. Could you illuminate me on the precise details of your job? Also you've presumed we don't do any work at all in the holidays and still only come out with a gargantuan gap of 60 hours a year (about an hour a week lol) Unfortunately the limit won't allow me to address the full stupidity of your post but if you'd like to consider your labelling of us as "moaners and whingers" then i presume you won't forget to tar the police, doctors qnd tube workers with the same brush. They have all taken strike action in the last 3 years too. In England in the last 30 years, no teacher has taken industrial action except against Michael Gove.[/p][/quote]Lets just agree to disagree Tomorrow you will all be back into work with nothing achieved apart from depriving your pupils of a days education. So with that in mind I wish you good day and all the best.[/p][/quote]Hahaha - back in your box, Andy. Fantastic use of facts to make the blind see - well done Vandersar.[/p][/quote]What facts? I cant see any apart from a teacher spouting who should have been doing the work they are paid to do. I had to leave the conversation last night as I needed to get up at 5am this morning to be in work for a 14 hour day but will check back on here later for you facts you claim. Andy2010
  • Score: 4

7:11am Thu 27 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
You must have been talking about the public support.

You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up?

As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus
The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?
Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy
I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man.
Lol where do you get this rubbish from.

Care to break down the three main parties marketing budgets?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you.[/p][/quote]You must have been talking about the public support. You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up? As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus[/p][/quote]The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?[/p][/quote]Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy[/p][/quote]I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man.[/p][/quote]Lol where do you get this rubbish from. Care to break down the three main parties marketing budgets? Andy2010
  • Score: 5

3:38pm Thu 27 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
You must have been talking about the public support.

You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up?

As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus
The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?
Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy
I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man.
Lol where do you get this rubbish from.

Care to break down the three main parties marketing budgets?
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/david-cameron-
resorts-to-paying-fo
r-facebook-fans-beca
use-not-enough-peopl
e-like-him-9180055.h
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Can't give you the figures for the other two main party's facebook spending as apparently they are not either vein or insecure enough to spend anything.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you.[/p][/quote]You must have been talking about the public support. You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up? As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus[/p][/quote]The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?[/p][/quote]Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy[/p][/quote]I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man.[/p][/quote]Lol where do you get this rubbish from. Care to break down the three main parties marketing budgets?[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/david-cameron- resorts-to-paying-fo r-facebook-fans-beca use-not-enough-peopl e-like-him-9180055.h tml Can't give you the figures for the other two main party's facebook spending as apparently they are not either vein or insecure enough to spend anything. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -6

4:18pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.
It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.
The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.
I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are
Hi guys I was just talking about you.
You must have been talking about the public support.

You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up?

As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus
The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?
Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy
I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man.
Lol where do you get this rubbish from.

Care to break down the three main parties marketing budgets?
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol

itics/david-cameron-

resorts-to-paying-fo

r-facebook-fans-beca

use-not-enough-peopl

e-like-him-9180055.h

tml
Can't give you the figures for the other two main party's facebook spending as apparently they are not either vein or insecure enough to spend anything.
Impressive.

They forked out 7.5k for advertising

Labour just forked out nearly £100k on them silly bingo advertisements.

So you point is?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is the Tories at it again; impose high handed actions that no professional could possible accept, refuse to negotiate and provoke a strike, get the right wing press to rant on about the Unions, declare the system broken and propose that privatisation is the only solution. That way the Tories and their mates get to make even more money.[/p][/quote]It also helps to have a team of shills to spout the party line and give the appearance that public support is not on the side of the Teachers or whatever other group who are having to fight the MPs, who have just awarded themselves an 11% pay rise, for a wage settlement that makes their wages cover their bills. The T&A has a multitude of such shills. You know who they are. They don't hide it too well.[/p][/quote]The MP'S did not award themselves any pay rise, get your facts right.[/p][/quote]I don't recall them striking either or moaning about how hard their jobs are[/p][/quote]Hi guys I was just talking about you.[/p][/quote]You must have been talking about the public support. You could see it all today in the town centre during the "rally". What was there there again? How many bothered to turn up? As for public support well ....just check the front page poll as a general consensus[/p][/quote]The front page poll Andy? Don't talk daft. The polls are just like the thumbs up/down system, heavily manipulated by shills. Perhaps the teachers could supplement their income by getting paid to write comments favourable to the government? How much are they paying you Andy?[/p][/quote]Funny how when something does go your way its all a conspiracy[/p][/quote]I think a good measure of public opinion is the fact that David Cameron has had to spend around £7k on advertising to get more likes on his facebook page. That would seem to be the actions of a desperately insecure man.[/p][/quote]Lol where do you get this rubbish from. Care to break down the three main parties marketing budgets?[/p][/quote]http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/david-cameron- resorts-to-paying-fo r-facebook-fans-beca use-not-enough-peopl e-like-him-9180055.h tml Can't give you the figures for the other two main party's facebook spending as apparently they are not either vein or insecure enough to spend anything.[/p][/quote]Impressive. They forked out 7.5k for advertising Labour just forked out nearly £100k on them silly bingo advertisements. So you point is? Andy2010
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11:38pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Emarley says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
silverbantam wrote:
If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock !
yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week.

45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake

Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?
Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week.

In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more.
Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher.

We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers.

With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise?

If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain.

If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers.
I know 3 teaches and a head teacher, and none of them work 60hrs a week, no where near.

As for the person who said they worked 12hr days and 12hrs at weekends, you must have been doing something wrong, because, as I say, the teachers I know work no where near those hours, even the head!

And ones who claim they work through holidays, again, the ones I know might spend the last day or two of the summer holidays doing some prep work.

I'm not saying that the strike is wrong, just the perception of what teachers are supposed to be working is.

As for Gove promoting Academies and Free Schools - I'm afraid he's paving the way for a load of trouble. It's opened the door to religious fanatics to educate children outside of the curriculum, and needs to be stopped. I don't want to pay taxes to fund a school where creationism is taught as a real alternative to science! He's shifting eduction back into the middle ages!
Having worked in "the real world" first I can confirm teachers who want to do their job properly DO work 60 hour weeks. Seriously considering going back to the "real world" to spend some time with my kids. In addition. Gove decided to charge parents not teachers. It doesn't effect me one jot if you go on holiday in term time. At least provide a decent educated argument. I wish teachers got the fine in our pay packets. Also please post your employment details so I can consciously slag you when your profession comes under constant changes and scrutiny and you are being slated by people who have no idea how hard you work. Your right though one day strikes will change nothing. We should just go on strike full stop. The unions have done nothing to help and got no where. Teachers need to get tough or there will be none left. Teachers are leaving the profession in droves. Supply costs are going through the roof. So how's your chance to put your money where your mouth is. Retrain to be a teacher if you think you can hack the workload and abuse that comes with it.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: If some parents had to teach in a school THEY would have a real shock ![/p][/quote]yes like the NUT leader this morning on the radio who said it was disgusting teachers were now having to work on average 45 hours a week. 45 HOURS A WEEK....get a grip for gods sake Heres an idea. ...Why not strike on a teacher training day ?[/p][/quote]Teachers work in excess of 60hrs a week - as shown by the suppressed report which finally saw light of day the other week. In addition, teachers are taking a real-term pay cut. Morale is at an all-time low as we are vilified by the government, our minister and the press. 40% of new teachers leave within 5 years and 70% of senior teachers are considering leaving the profession because of this... but much more. Class sizes are rising and the number of teachers is going down because the government has removed your child's legal right to be taught in a class of under 32 by a qualified teacher. We are led by a public-schooled, out of touch elite which believe Latin, Greek and Victorian literature are the answer to all inequality. Michael Gove will not listen to anyone who knows anything about education. He ignores research. He thinks he knows better. He even ignores his own advisers. With all this opposition to his idea of what education should be, his treatment of teachers and his undermining of me, my colleagues and my profession, he has offered ONE HOUR in total of discussion time. Would you be OK with that from your boss as he uses his power and influence to call you lazy, Marxist and an enemy of promise? If you want your child educated by a run-down, worn-out, over worked, untrained, unqualified septuagenarian in a for-profit exam factory - go ahead and complain. If you'd prefer your child educated by a well-trained, fully qualified professional who is fairly paid and has time to properly plan, prepare and mark work, please tell your MP that you support teachers and don't believe the rubbish in the papers.[/p][/quote]I know 3 teaches and a head teacher, and none of them work 60hrs a week, no where near. As for the person who said they worked 12hr days and 12hrs at weekends, you must have been doing something wrong, because, as I say, the teachers I know work no where near those hours, even the head! And ones who claim they work through holidays, again, the ones I know might spend the last day or two of the summer holidays doing some prep work. I'm not saying that the strike is wrong, just the perception of what teachers are supposed to be working is. As for Gove promoting Academies and Free Schools - I'm afraid he's paving the way for a load of trouble. It's opened the door to religious fanatics to educate children outside of the curriculum, and needs to be stopped. I don't want to pay taxes to fund a school where creationism is taught as a real alternative to science! He's shifting eduction back into the middle ages![/p][/quote]Having worked in "the real world" first I can confirm teachers who want to do their job properly DO work 60 hour weeks. Seriously considering going back to the "real world" to spend some time with my kids. In addition. Gove decided to charge parents not teachers. It doesn't effect me one jot if you go on holiday in term time. At least provide a decent educated argument. I wish teachers got the fine in our pay packets. Also please post your employment details so I can consciously slag you when your profession comes under constant changes and scrutiny and you are being slated by people who have no idea how hard you work. Your right though one day strikes will change nothing. We should just go on strike full stop. The unions have done nothing to help and got no where. Teachers need to get tough or there will be none left. Teachers are leaving the profession in droves. Supply costs are going through the roof. So how's your chance to put your money where your mouth is. Retrain to be a teacher if you think you can hack the workload and abuse that comes with it. Emarley
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12:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Treesqueek says...

I completely agree with the above, teachers should go on strike full stop. Unfortunately they are stuck in the middle. Gove is charging parents, yet the teachers are the ones getting the blame. Then there are the parents who think they can stop doing the hard work once their children are in school. Children are not someone elses problem once they are school aged. You are still a parent. Please understand I'm not saying all parents are bad, there are some amazing children where I work. But as admin staff that deals with 14+ teenagers I have to say I have witnessed extremely poor social skills, rudeness and horrific language that is never challenged. I have even heard teachers being accused of being racist because they have taken a mobile phone off a child in class. Teachers dare not say anything or complain as they will always get more grief. They are not supported by managers. I was once thinking of going into teaching, I'm glad I have experienced what I have as admin as it's stopped me from having a underpaid, overworked job. At least I can enjoy my weekends and not have to sit there marking. Honestly, teachers should go on strike for the foreseeable future, people would soon become supportive and appreciative.
I completely agree with the above, teachers should go on strike full stop. Unfortunately they are stuck in the middle. Gove is charging parents, yet the teachers are the ones getting the blame. Then there are the parents who think they can stop doing the hard work once their children are in school. Children are not someone elses problem once they are school aged. You are still a parent. Please understand I'm not saying all parents are bad, there are some amazing children where I work. But as admin staff that deals with 14+ teenagers I have to say I have witnessed extremely poor social skills, rudeness and horrific language that is never challenged. I have even heard teachers being accused of being racist because they have taken a mobile phone off a child in class. Teachers dare not say anything or complain as they will always get more grief. They are not supported by managers. I was once thinking of going into teaching, I'm glad I have experienced what I have as admin as it's stopped me from having a underpaid, overworked job. At least I can enjoy my weekends and not have to sit there marking. Honestly, teachers should go on strike for the foreseeable future, people would soon become supportive and appreciative. Treesqueek
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