Bradford phone shop owners tell of shutter crime fear

CONCERNS: Muhammad Rizwan with his letter from Bradford Council

CONCERNS: Muhammad Rizwan with his letter from Bradford Council

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , T&A Reporter

Mobile phone shop owners say they may have to close if Bradford Council pursues threatened enforcement action over the style of their shutters.

The businesses have until May 6 to remove the screens, which fall foul of conservation area rules. But those running the stores, on Ivegate in the city centre, say the roller shutters keep their livelihoods safe and losing them may force them to close.

Last month Bradford Council sent letters to four shops saying owners would have to remove their external security shutters as they went against the local authority’s policy for the conservation area.

But the business owners were defiant and said high crime rates meant the security measures were vital. Now further Council letters have been sent which say if the shutters are not taken down by May 6, enforcement action to have them removed may be taken.

Muhammad Rizwan, owner of Mobile Zone, said shops were targets for raids and in October he had £1,000 of stock stolen.

His letter from the Council said he could appeal the enforcement notice at a cost of £390. He said: “I don’t want to take the shutters down because I don’t think the business would be safe. There isn’t much safety in this area and it hasn’t improved recently.

“We’ve been told we can have shutters on the inside, but people can still break the window and that would cost us £500 to replace. Replacing the shutter would cost me £3,000.

“I’m still thinking what to do at the moment, if I appeal it is going to cost a lot of money and it might not be successful. I think all the businesses will get together to discuss what we’ll do next. We can’t leave our businesses without shutters, it’s not safe.”

Council policy states that shop front shutters are only allowed if they are inside the windows or made of wood. It said roller shutters brought down the look of the area.

Asad Ashraf, of Connecting U, said he has yet to receive the second letter, but expects it soon. He also said he could not afford to replace his shutters.

“We are paying our rates, the Council should be helping us. We’re not making much as it is, if we have to pay this we might just shut up shop.

“If I take the shutters down I’ll get broken into that same night,” he said.

Councillor Val Slater, the Council’s executive member for planning, said it was important Ivegate was as attractive as possible in preparation for the Westfield development and that meant using shutters such as those used in nearby North Parade.

“We wouldn't ask them to take their shutters down and compromise their security. We just ask that they use the right type,” she said.

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7:11am Mon 24 Mar 14

Albion. says...

If the shutters were installed after the policy came in they have to go. How do so many phone shops manage to make a legitimate living anyway? Many of them advertise "unlocking" is that even legal and isn't it mainly a service for phone thieves?
If the shutters were installed after the policy came in they have to go. How do so many phone shops manage to make a legitimate living anyway? Many of them advertise "unlocking" is that even legal and isn't it mainly a service for phone thieves? Albion.
  • Score: -10

7:16am Mon 24 Mar 14

linebacker2 says...

Albion. wrote:
If the shutters were installed after the policy came in they have to go. How do so many phone shops manage to make a legitimate living anyway? Many of them advertise "unlocking" is that even legal and isn't it mainly a service for phone thieves?
When not check status of "unlocking" BEFORE posting?

It is legal and it is not a service mainly for thieves.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: If the shutters were installed after the policy came in they have to go. How do so many phone shops manage to make a legitimate living anyway? Many of them advertise "unlocking" is that even legal and isn't it mainly a service for phone thieves?[/p][/quote]When not check status of "unlocking" BEFORE posting? It is legal and it is not a service mainly for thieves. linebacker2
  • Score: 4

7:21am Mon 24 Mar 14

linebacker2 says...

It's not just Bradford Council, but it's quite common for any council who stick to their rules no matter what. I know somebody who ran an electrical store down south that kept getting ram raided. Local council insisted he remove bollards which had stopped the problem - he then closed store down.

Shutters are used outside core hours, most of that time it's dark anyway so is it really an issue?

Perhaps one solution is to get local artists to paint the shutters?
It's not just Bradford Council, but it's quite common for any council who stick to their rules no matter what. I know somebody who ran an electrical store down south that kept getting ram raided. Local council insisted he remove bollards which had stopped the problem - he then closed store down. Shutters are used outside core hours, most of that time it's dark anyway so is it really an issue? Perhaps one solution is to get local artists to paint the shutters? linebacker2
  • Score: 13

7:25am Mon 24 Mar 14

johnh1 says...

We all need to abide by the law
He should have checked BEFORE he put the shutters up.
We all need to abide by the law He should have checked BEFORE he put the shutters up. johnh1
  • Score: 8

7:59am Mon 24 Mar 14

buffetlegs says...

It seems to me that he installed the shutters as a desperate last measure. It is time the Council used common sense as opposed draconian "Council
policy".
It seems to me that he installed the shutters as a desperate last measure. It is time the Council used common sense as opposed draconian "Council policy". buffetlegs
  • Score: 4

8:10am Mon 24 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

Once again its a group of people that feel they are above the law. Rules are set abide by them.
Once again its a group of people that feel they are above the law. Rules are set abide by them. oddshapedballs
  • Score: 6

8:24am Mon 24 Mar 14

Outraged English Subject says...

Yawn!
Yawn! Outraged English Subject
  • Score: -4

8:35am Mon 24 Mar 14

Oldwestbowling says...

I'm amazed that Ivegate is a conservation area. The whole street is a rundown mess, tatty shop fronts and gaudy signs. If it really is a conservation area all the shop fronts and signs should match and this is more important than someone who uses shutters to protect the shop front when the shop's shut.
I'm amazed that Ivegate is a conservation area. The whole street is a rundown mess, tatty shop fronts and gaudy signs. If it really is a conservation area all the shop fronts and signs should match and this is more important than someone who uses shutters to protect the shop front when the shop's shut. Oldwestbowling
  • Score: 19

8:42am Mon 24 Mar 14

mad matt says...

When most people are about in Ivegate, the shutters will be up and out of sight. When they are down, properly protecting the business AND the window itself, it will either be at night, or on a Sunday when there are no shoppers about anyway.
It's about time that Bradford Council showed a bit of common sense regarding security (and a lot of other subjects as well) if they ever expect the town centre to become a hub of activity and commerce again.
When most people are about in Ivegate, the shutters will be up and out of sight. When they are down, properly protecting the business AND the window itself, it will either be at night, or on a Sunday when there are no shoppers about anyway. It's about time that Bradford Council showed a bit of common sense regarding security (and a lot of other subjects as well) if they ever expect the town centre to become a hub of activity and commerce again. mad matt
  • Score: 13

9:16am Mon 24 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

Bradford Council and common sense! ah! remember The Rev Flowers.
Bradford Council and common sense! ah! remember The Rev Flowers. alive and awake
  • Score: 3

9:28am Mon 24 Mar 14

bd7 helper says...

Just ask... be patient
Just ask... be patient bd7 helper
  • Score: 3

10:36am Mon 24 Mar 14

999 number of the beast says...

To be honest I'm sick of seeingso many mobile shops after all don't most people buy them off the internet? After the closure of Gasworks as far as I'm concerned Ivegate can rot!
To be honest I'm sick of seeingso many mobile shops after all don't most people buy them off the internet? After the closure of Gasworks as far as I'm concerned Ivegate can rot! 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 6

11:17am Mon 24 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

999 number of the beast wrote:
To be honest I'm sick of seeingso many mobile shops after all don't most people buy them off the internet? After the closure of Gasworks as far as I'm concerned Ivegate can rot!
I dont get it either.

Literally I could not name one person who has ever bought or taken out a contract in one of these shops as most just go directly though their own carrier or at very worst visit shops like Carphone Warehouse.

I dont understand how there is so many of these shops around and how they actually manage to make any money or "do well".
[quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: To be honest I'm sick of seeingso many mobile shops after all don't most people buy them off the internet? After the closure of Gasworks as far as I'm concerned Ivegate can rot![/p][/quote]I dont get it either. Literally I could not name one person who has ever bought or taken out a contract in one of these shops as most just go directly though their own carrier or at very worst visit shops like Carphone Warehouse. I dont understand how there is so many of these shops around and how they actually manage to make any money or "do well". Andy2010
  • Score: 12

12:10pm Mon 24 Mar 14

webshow says...

Bradford Council the bully guys.
Let him be, he's only trying to make a living.
Have we not got enough empty shops in city centre already?
Most of these shops are specialising in used and low tariff mobile contracts.
They do not make a rich living like the big boys in the business and security needs to be top notch otherwise the business folds.
Leave him be.
Bradford Council the bully guys. Let him be, he's only trying to make a living. Have we not got enough empty shops in city centre already? Most of these shops are specialising in used and low tariff mobile contracts. They do not make a rich living like the big boys in the business and security needs to be top notch otherwise the business folds. Leave him be. webshow
  • Score: -4

12:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

MyBradford says...

They should have checked local area for crime rate before opening store. If it's regularly getting broken into then close the shop, I'm sure TO LET signs all over town center will improve the areas looks.
They should have checked local area for crime rate before opening store. If it's regularly getting broken into then close the shop, I'm sure TO LET signs all over town center will improve the areas looks. MyBradford
  • Score: 9

1:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Bone_idle18 says...

With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe.
With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 9

1:45pm Mon 24 Mar 14

basil fawlty says...

Ivegate is one of Bradford city centre's most historic streets and should be a prime location for shopping but is instead grubby and run down. The Council are 100% correct in trying to improve the area. The bottom line is that some of these shiops have got the wrong types of shutter and probably knew that when they decided to install the ugly external ones.
Ivegate is one of Bradford city centre's most historic streets and should be a prime location for shopping but is instead grubby and run down. The Council are 100% correct in trying to improve the area. The bottom line is that some of these shiops have got the wrong types of shutter and probably knew that when they decided to install the ugly external ones. basil fawlty
  • Score: 17

2:18pm Mon 24 Mar 14

999 number of the beast says...

webshow wrote:
Bradford Council the bully guys.
Let him be, he's only trying to make a living.
Have we not got enough empty shops in city centre already?
Most of these shops are specialising in used and low tariff mobile contracts.
They do not make a rich living like the big boys in the business and security needs to be top notch otherwise the business folds.
Leave him be.
Maybe but like betting shops the mobile shops and to some extent the kebab shops are far too numerous. The used and low tariff mobile contracts attract a certain socio-economic group. That group directly or indirectly appears to have dragged the town centre and especially hit Ivegate.
Some people like me give a wide berth though that might be due to the silly paving and terrible gradient. Ivegate needs flattening in more then one sense of the word!
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: Bradford Council the bully guys. Let him be, he's only trying to make a living. Have we not got enough empty shops in city centre already? Most of these shops are specialising in used and low tariff mobile contracts. They do not make a rich living like the big boys in the business and security needs to be top notch otherwise the business folds. Leave him be.[/p][/quote]Maybe but like betting shops the mobile shops and to some extent the kebab shops are far too numerous. The used and low tariff mobile contracts attract a certain socio-economic group. That group directly or indirectly appears to have dragged the town centre and especially hit Ivegate. Some people like me give a wide berth though that might be due to the silly paving and terrible gradient. Ivegate needs flattening in more then one sense of the word! 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 6

3:28pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Jeff6966 says...

Is there any need to have about 4/5 phone shops all on ivegate practically side by side anyway? Where ever a space comes available these days its a phone shop. There must be about 20 in the city centre all within a stones throw away. Close down and open some shops that will actually want people to come into the city centre and shop
Is there any need to have about 4/5 phone shops all on ivegate practically side by side anyway? Where ever a space comes available these days its a phone shop. There must be about 20 in the city centre all within a stones throw away. Close down and open some shops that will actually want people to come into the city centre and shop Jeff6966
  • Score: 11

4:04pm Mon 24 Mar 14

The Hoffster says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe.
Are you part of the vile BNP/EDL animals ?
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe.[/p][/quote]Are you part of the vile BNP/EDL animals ? The Hoffster
  • Score: -16

4:31pm Mon 24 Mar 14

linebacker2 says...

At the risk of pointing out the blooming obvious. Won't these shops be shuttered 24/7 if they have to close?
At the risk of pointing out the blooming obvious. Won't these shops be shuttered 24/7 if they have to close? linebacker2
  • Score: 4

4:33pm Mon 24 Mar 14

food_for_thought says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe.
Are you part of the vile BNP/EDL animals ?
Interesting that you assume some racial motivation to a comment about drug dealers...can't see the connection myself.

Anyway...back to the actual topic in hand...firstly I can understand why these particualr traders have installed these particular shutters....external shutters cost much less to install than internal ones and they also protect the glass as well as the shops's contents. BUT they are not permitted in the conservation area...whether commenters on here think they look good or otherwise is a complete irrelevance. So, tough luck guys; maybe next time you will check what constraints there are on your altering premises before you pay out for the work?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe.[/p][/quote]Are you part of the vile BNP/EDL animals ?[/p][/quote]Interesting that you assume some racial motivation to a comment about drug dealers...can't see the connection myself. Anyway...back to the actual topic in hand...firstly I can understand why these particualr traders have installed these particular shutters....external shutters cost much less to install than internal ones and they also protect the glass as well as the shops's contents. BUT they are not permitted in the conservation area...whether commenters on here think they look good or otherwise is a complete irrelevance. So, tough luck guys; maybe next time you will check what constraints there are on your altering premises before you pay out for the work? food_for_thought
  • Score: 11

5:35pm Mon 24 Mar 14

aje2010 says...

mad matt wrote:
When most people are about in Ivegate, the shutters will be up and out of sight. When they are down, properly protecting the business AND the window itself, it will either be at night, or on a Sunday when there are no shoppers about anyway.
It's about time that Bradford Council showed a bit of common sense regarding security (and a lot of other subjects as well) if they ever expect the town centre to become a hub of activity and commerce again.
The shutters are making this beautiful conservation area look tatty. I mean at the end of the day when all the shops close, the customers are gone but all those drunks, homeless, addicts and criminals come out (image a scene from the Thriller video). I mean they dont want to see shutters, they want to see shop fronts, windows, opportunity and above all ACCESS!!
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: When most people are about in Ivegate, the shutters will be up and out of sight. When they are down, properly protecting the business AND the window itself, it will either be at night, or on a Sunday when there are no shoppers about anyway. It's about time that Bradford Council showed a bit of common sense regarding security (and a lot of other subjects as well) if they ever expect the town centre to become a hub of activity and commerce again.[/p][/quote]The shutters are making this beautiful conservation area look tatty. I mean at the end of the day when all the shops close, the customers are gone but all those drunks, homeless, addicts and criminals come out (image a scene from the Thriller video). I mean they dont want to see shutters, they want to see shop fronts, windows, opportunity and above all ACCESS!! aje2010
  • Score: 6

8:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

knox615 says...

The type of shutters the council want these shops to install cost a lot more than the type they have installed and is big cost to absorb, especially as some of the businesses have already suffered big losses through break ins prior to the shutters being installed. You'd think the council would work with these businesses rather than against them. The city centre can ill afford more shops closing down.
The type of shutters the council want these shops to install cost a lot more than the type they have installed and is big cost to absorb, especially as some of the businesses have already suffered big losses through break ins prior to the shutters being installed. You'd think the council would work with these businesses rather than against them. The city centre can ill afford more shops closing down. knox615
  • Score: -1

9:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Jeff6966 wrote:
Is there any need to have about 4/5 phone shops all on ivegate practically side by side anyway? Where ever a space comes available these days its a phone shop. There must be about 20 in the city centre all within a stones throw away. Close down and open some shops that will actually want people to come into the city centre and shop
There are six phone shops on lvegate. If someone had a long hard look then one or two could be seen as doing much more than phone sales and seeling the associated products. And this isn't just a hunch either.
[quote][p][bold]Jeff6966[/bold] wrote: Is there any need to have about 4/5 phone shops all on ivegate practically side by side anyway? Where ever a space comes available these days its a phone shop. There must be about 20 in the city centre all within a stones throw away. Close down and open some shops that will actually want people to come into the city centre and shop[/p][/quote]There are six phone shops on lvegate. If someone had a long hard look then one or two could be seen as doing much more than phone sales and seeling the associated products. And this isn't just a hunch either. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 5

9:25pm Mon 24 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
Bradford Council and common sense! ah! remember The Rev Flowers.
Yeah he's that bloke you never shut up about. Is William Hague still offering a free taxpayer funded mobile phone as an incentive to get young Muslim lads to go on a club 18-30 holiday to Syria? He even arranges an official welcoming party for when they get home. It sounds loads of fun. What a nice bloke Wee Willie is, and he comes across as such a ****
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Bradford Council and common sense! ah! remember The Rev Flowers.[/p][/quote]Yeah he's that bloke you never shut up about. Is William Hague still offering a free taxpayer funded mobile phone as an incentive to get young Muslim lads to go on a club 18-30 holiday to Syria? He even arranges an official welcoming party for when they get home. It sounds loads of fun. What a nice bloke Wee Willie is, and he comes across as such a **** RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

10:23pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Bradford Reclaimer says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe.
Are you part of the vile BNP/EDL animals ?
But yes of course, the BNP/EDL are well known for their outspoken statistics on drug dealer telecommunications..
.idiot.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: With drug dealers averaging 10 or more mobile phones, they need a good, ready supply of untraceable phones. Maybe.[/p][/quote]Are you part of the vile BNP/EDL animals ?[/p][/quote]But yes of course, the BNP/EDL are well known for their outspoken statistics on drug dealer telecommunications.. .idiot. Bradford Reclaimer
  • Score: 7

7:14am Tue 25 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Bradford Council and common sense! ah! remember The Rev Flowers.
Yeah he's that bloke you never shut up about. Is William Hague still offering a free taxpayer funded mobile phone as an incentive to get young Muslim lads to go on a club 18-30 holiday to Syria? He even arranges an official welcoming party for when they get home. It sounds loads of fun. What a nice bloke Wee Willie is, and he comes across as such a ****
Speaking of Syria did you see George Galloway on RT where he says "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified and was falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war"?. Seems the chemical attacks were nothing but "staged" propaganda. Here's a link if you missed it
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?feature=pl
ayer_embedded&v=u13w
dPDoYsY
I'm suprised the T&A haven't picked up on the story. Do you recon they'd allow comments if they did?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Bradford Council and common sense! ah! remember The Rev Flowers.[/p][/quote]Yeah he's that bloke you never shut up about. Is William Hague still offering a free taxpayer funded mobile phone as an incentive to get young Muslim lads to go on a club 18-30 holiday to Syria? He even arranges an official welcoming party for when they get home. It sounds loads of fun. What a nice bloke Wee Willie is, and he comes across as such a ****[/p][/quote]Speaking of Syria did you see George Galloway on RT where he says "A full inquiry must be launched into why the BBC used a piece of material which was not just wrong but was falsified and was falsified with the purpose of propelling our country into war"?. Seems the chemical attacks were nothing but "staged" propaganda. Here's a link if you missed it https://www.youtube. com/watch?feature=pl ayer_embedded&v=u13w dPDoYsY I'm suprised the T&A haven't picked up on the story. Do you recon they'd allow comments if they did? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

9:08pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Avenger78 says...

90% of mobile phone shops in Bradford are fronts for crime and somewhere for drug dealers to launder they money
90% of mobile phone shops in Bradford are fronts for crime and somewhere for drug dealers to launder they money Avenger78
  • Score: 0

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