Two groups with a live music vision to battle it out for right to redevelop Bradford Odeon

Gideon Seymour, left, and Lee Craven outside the Odeon last night

An artist’s impression of the Bradford Live scheme

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Two “delighted” organisations will battle it out to win the right to redevelop the Bradford Odeon.

The future of the iconic building will be in the hands of either Bradford One or Bradford Live.

Bradford Council announced that the two groups were successful in getting through to the next stage of looking at how the building can be redeveloped, while a third proposal was withdrawn.

Both organisations’ bids centre around creating a live music venue in the Odeon’s auditorium.

The Council described Bradford One’s proposal as a multi-purpose cultural venue and centre for creativity and enterprise, up against Bradford Live’s high-quality, commercially-run, live performance venue.

Both applicants achieved a score above the minimum required to advance to the next phase in the ‘expressions of interest’ process, said the authority.

Gideon Seymour, chairman of Bradford One, said: “I am delighted, but under no illusions. Nobody is kidding themselves. This is a massive achievement, but there is a huge amount of work to do.

“The next stage will be even more demanding, in terms of time, effort and resources. The real hard work starts now.”

Mr Seymour said Bradford One’s vision was for “primarily a live music venue in the re-opened auditorium” of the Odeon, which would be “as close to its former splendour as before”, with cafes, bars, restaurants and retail to make it a sustainable proposition.

Land at the rear of the Odeon would be set aside for office space and creative industries.

Mr Seymour also held the door open for a link-up with ‘rival’ bidder Bradford Live, as he said: “I still think we have an awful lot in common – there are so many similarities about what we are trying to achieve.”

Lee Craven, of Bradford Live, said: “I am looking forward to working with the Council to bring this project to fruition. I am confident we have a very strong bid, with a very strong team.”

Bradford Live plan to host at least 150 main live events per year, including music, comedy, corporate events and promotions, Bollywood shows, and sports such as boxing, darts, wrestling and snooker.

Mr Craven said: “The Bollywood angle, we feel, has never been systematically targeted in the UK and we all agree that the money exists in Bradford to support Bollywood events.”

Bollywood events would also include Bollywood stars discussing their work in the form of ‘in conversation with..’, said Mr Craven.

A third proposal for the Odeon, put forward by City Reflections, for a world class, sustainable, state-of-the-art swimming, diving, athletic and multi-sport facility, was withdrawn.

The Council bought the building from the Homes Community Agency (HCA) for £1 last November.

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12:23pm Thu 20 Mar 14

mrs walker says...

I like both proposals and will wholeheartedly support whichever is successful. The only thing I don't like is the need to build an office block on the land at the back of the Odeon, as proposed by Bradford One. Concerts and other productions need space for trucks, tour buses and storage. I may have not fully understood the scale of the proposed build, but I wasn't convinced that the impact and importance of this had been fully considered in Bradford One's plans.
I like both proposals and will wholeheartedly support whichever is successful. The only thing I don't like is the need to build an office block on the land at the back of the Odeon, as proposed by Bradford One. Concerts and other productions need space for trucks, tour buses and storage. I may have not fully understood the scale of the proposed build, but I wasn't convinced that the impact and importance of this had been fully considered in Bradford One's plans. mrs walker
  • Score: 15

12:25pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Joedavid says...

Glad the swimming pool idea gone.
Hope it not take too long for final decision to be made between the two good proposals.
At the end of the day one winner and one looser so I hope at the end somehow the one not chosen will be able to play a part with the chosen one too and both in it together.
Glad the swimming pool idea gone. Hope it not take too long for final decision to be made between the two good proposals. At the end of the day one winner and one looser so I hope at the end somehow the one not chosen will be able to play a part with the chosen one too and both in it together. Joedavid
  • Score: 15

12:31pm Thu 20 Mar 14

A650 says...

A decent venue for entertainment with decent bars and restaurants too? That might be a reason to go into the city centre! What a novel idea. Here's hoping it's a success.
A decent venue for entertainment with decent bars and restaurants too? That might be a reason to go into the city centre! What a novel idea. Here's hoping it's a success. A650
  • Score: 22

12:31pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Joedavid says...

mrs walker wrote:
I like both proposals and will wholeheartedly support whichever is successful. The only thing I don't like is the need to build an office block on the land at the back of the Odeon, as proposed by Bradford One. Concerts and other productions need space for trucks, tour buses and storage. I may have not fully understood the scale of the proposed build, but I wasn't convinced that the impact and importance of this had been fully considered in Bradford One's plans.
The Alhambra stage access is almost opposite the New Victoria/Odeon old stage access so no doubt trucks would use same access point.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: I like both proposals and will wholeheartedly support whichever is successful. The only thing I don't like is the need to build an office block on the land at the back of the Odeon, as proposed by Bradford One. Concerts and other productions need space for trucks, tour buses and storage. I may have not fully understood the scale of the proposed build, but I wasn't convinced that the impact and importance of this had been fully considered in Bradford One's plans.[/p][/quote]The Alhambra stage access is almost opposite the New Victoria/Odeon old stage access so no doubt trucks would use same access point. Joedavid
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

J B PRIESTLEY says...

Hope the winning bid (or both) bidders can achaive a quality live act venue, which i have no doubt if the right acts are brought in, would be a huge success for all involved.
Hope the winning bid (or both) bidders can achaive a quality live act venue, which i have no doubt if the right acts are brought in, would be a huge success for all involved. J B PRIESTLEY
  • Score: 14

12:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Gideon Seymour says...

You can support Bradford One's proposals by becoming a member, see our website for details. We have 400 members already, many of whom have offered their time to help us spread the word. If you have any questions about our plans you can contact us via the website which also has details of the people behind Bradford One.
You can support Bradford One's proposals by becoming a member, see our website for details. We have 400 members already, many of whom have offered their time to help us spread the word. If you have any questions about our plans you can contact us via the website which also has details of the people behind Bradford One. Gideon Seymour
  • Score: 10

12:48pm Thu 20 Mar 14

mrs walker says...

Joedavid wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
I like both proposals and will wholeheartedly support whichever is successful. The only thing I don't like is the need to build an office block on the land at the back of the Odeon, as proposed by Bradford One. Concerts and other productions need space for trucks, tour buses and storage. I may have not fully understood the scale of the proposed build, but I wasn't convinced that the impact and importance of this had been fully considered in Bradford One's plans.
The Alhambra stage access is almost opposite the New Victoria/Odeon old stage access so no doubt trucks would use same access point.
Only thing is that Alhambra productions go on for weeks at a time, not just a single night like concerts, so they don't have the same problem about what to do with trucks, buses and flight cases while the event is going on.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: I like both proposals and will wholeheartedly support whichever is successful. The only thing I don't like is the need to build an office block on the land at the back of the Odeon, as proposed by Bradford One. Concerts and other productions need space for trucks, tour buses and storage. I may have not fully understood the scale of the proposed build, but I wasn't convinced that the impact and importance of this had been fully considered in Bradford One's plans.[/p][/quote]The Alhambra stage access is almost opposite the New Victoria/Odeon old stage access so no doubt trucks would use same access point.[/p][/quote]Only thing is that Alhambra productions go on for weeks at a time, not just a single night like concerts, so they don't have the same problem about what to do with trucks, buses and flight cases while the event is going on. mrs walker
  • Score: 6

1:02pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Ruthydee says...

Wonderful news! I would note that the two bids aren't quite 'battling it out' as they both want the same outcome, the improvement of Bradford's night time economy through a sustainable and profitable live entertainment venue. As well as retaining as much as possible of the historic building.

For anyone wanting to join the already 400 member strong community benefit society and have a say/ lend a hand in making BradfordOne's bid a success you can join here http://www.bradfordo
ne.com/bradfordone-n
ews/apply-to-join-br
adford-one/ . There is also a great short video for a better understanding of what's being proposed here: http://www.bradfordo
ne.com/
Wonderful news! I would note that the two bids aren't quite 'battling it out' as they both want the same outcome, the improvement of Bradford's night time economy through a sustainable and profitable live entertainment venue. As well as retaining as much as possible of the historic building. For anyone wanting to join the already 400 member strong community benefit society and have a say/ lend a hand in making BradfordOne's bid a success you can join here http://www.bradfordo ne.com/bradfordone-n ews/apply-to-join-br adford-one/ . There is also a great short video for a better understanding of what's being proposed here: http://www.bradfordo ne.com/ Ruthydee
  • Score: 4

1:11pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Albion. says...

Good to see things are moving apace, good luck to both applicants. Some good ideas there.
Good to see things are moving apace, good luck to both applicants. Some good ideas there. Albion.
  • Score: 4

1:16pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Lynessman says...

BRADFORD LIVE has to be the right choice with a 4000 seating/standing arena making it one of the largest mid size arenas in the north, alongside Manchester Apollo who sign great acts and bands on a weekly basis.

4000 people in an evening in the pubs, hotels, restaurants, taxis etc is better than 2000 and the smaller venue capacity would compete with too many others for trade including St Georges Hall.
Bradford Live is a cheaper construction and will be up and running quicker.
The 2 parties should get together to form one bid sharing energies based upon a 4000 capacity arena making a monopoly in Yorkshire, cheaper and up and running quicker with some funds already secured.
BRADFORD LIVE has to be the right choice with a 4000 seating/standing arena making it one of the largest mid size arenas in the north, alongside Manchester Apollo who sign great acts and bands on a weekly basis. 4000 people in an evening in the pubs, hotels, restaurants, taxis etc is better than 2000 and the smaller venue capacity would compete with too many others for trade including St Georges Hall. Bradford Live is a cheaper construction and will be up and running quicker. The 2 parties should get together to form one bid sharing energies based upon a 4000 capacity arena making a monopoly in Yorkshire, cheaper and up and running quicker with some funds already secured. Lynessman
  • Score: 14

1:34pm Thu 20 Mar 14

bcfc1903 says...

Great news indeed, so glad the swimming pool idea has been ditched. I see Bradford Live as the way forward. Would loved to have seen Junior Witter fight in his home city, in the future that sort of home advantage for Bradford's world class pugilists would become a reality if this scheme came to fruition. Also like the idea of a mixed event arena catering for various genres. An excellent idea.
Great news indeed, so glad the swimming pool idea has been ditched. I see Bradford Live as the way forward. Would loved to have seen Junior Witter fight in his home city, in the future that sort of home advantage for Bradford's world class pugilists would become a reality if this scheme came to fruition. Also like the idea of a mixed event arena catering for various genres. An excellent idea. bcfc1903
  • Score: 9

2:25pm Thu 20 Mar 14

modman61 says...

Let's get on and do it. It's been an eysore for years.
Let's get on and do it. It's been an eysore for years. modman61
  • Score: 5

2:35pm Thu 20 Mar 14

emerald tyke says...

Great news for the city centre...hopefully with the iconic frontage still intact!!
Great news for the city centre...hopefully with the iconic frontage still intact!! emerald tyke
  • Score: 8

2:36pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Gideon Seymour says...

Lynessman wrote:
BRADFORD LIVE has to be the right choice with a 4000 seating/standing arena making it one of the largest mid size arenas in the north, alongside Manchester Apollo who sign great acts and bands on a weekly basis.

4000 people in an evening in the pubs, hotels, restaurants, taxis etc is better than 2000 and the smaller venue capacity would compete with too many others for trade including St Georges Hall.
Bradford Live is a cheaper construction and will be up and running quicker.
The 2 parties should get together to form one bid sharing energies based upon a 4000 capacity arena making a monopoly in Yorkshire, cheaper and up and running quicker with some funds already secured.
The next stage of the process includes a detailed market analysis which we all hope will give us the 'right' answer on the optimum size of the auditorium. Bradford One has always said that if the best size of auditorium for Bradford is larger than our initial research suggests then we can revise our plans.

The details of our proposals are available on the Bradford One website if you want more information. They include, as well as the auditorium, plans for cafe bars, restaurants and shops that will both make the development more sustainable financially and provide a boost to Bradford's city centre and night time economy.
[quote][p][bold]Lynessman[/bold] wrote: BRADFORD LIVE has to be the right choice with a 4000 seating/standing arena making it one of the largest mid size arenas in the north, alongside Manchester Apollo who sign great acts and bands on a weekly basis. 4000 people in an evening in the pubs, hotels, restaurants, taxis etc is better than 2000 and the smaller venue capacity would compete with too many others for trade including St Georges Hall. Bradford Live is a cheaper construction and will be up and running quicker. The 2 parties should get together to form one bid sharing energies based upon a 4000 capacity arena making a monopoly in Yorkshire, cheaper and up and running quicker with some funds already secured.[/p][/quote]The next stage of the process includes a detailed market analysis which we all hope will give us the 'right' answer on the optimum size of the auditorium. Bradford One has always said that if the best size of auditorium for Bradford is larger than our initial research suggests then we can revise our plans. The details of our proposals are available on the Bradford One website if you want more information. They include, as well as the auditorium, plans for cafe bars, restaurants and shops that will both make the development more sustainable financially and provide a boost to Bradford's city centre and night time economy. Gideon Seymour
  • Score: 8

2:49pm Thu 20 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

Should be re-named NOAH'S ARK because daft ideas are now coming in 2 by 2
Should be re-named NOAH'S ARK because daft ideas are now coming in 2 by 2 alive and awake
  • Score: -27

3:10pm Thu 20 Mar 14

999 number of the beast says...

What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian!
Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park.
Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?
What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian! Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park. Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back? 999 number of the beast
  • Score: -17

3:21pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Lynessman says...

999 number of the beast wrote:
What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian!
Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park.
Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?
the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete

. on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena.

4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners.
[quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian! Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park. Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?[/p][/quote]the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete . on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena. 4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners. Lynessman
  • Score: 12

3:26pm Thu 20 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

After a seemingly endless period of stagnation in Bradford where the only thing flowing was the water from the fountains in our very expensive puddle/visitor attraction it would now seem that Bradford is once again a place where things are happening. We now appear to be heading down a new road in Bradford whilst doing what we can to preserve and make use of the landmarks and tunnels of the road since traveled. Our history has led us to where we stand today and it should never be forgotten or it's value underestimated. A new chapter in the story of Bradford has begun. I've not been so keen on some of the previous chapters but for once I'm feeling positive which for me is a rare occurrence. It's too early to say whether the story will have a happy ending but in a way that depends on every last one of us. We may have our differences but we are all Bradfordian's, we should be united by that fact.
After a seemingly endless period of stagnation in Bradford where the only thing flowing was the water from the fountains in our very expensive puddle/visitor attraction it would now seem that Bradford is once again a place where things are happening. We now appear to be heading down a new road in Bradford whilst doing what we can to preserve and make use of the landmarks and tunnels of the road since traveled. Our history has led us to where we stand today and it should never be forgotten or it's value underestimated. A new chapter in the story of Bradford has begun. I've not been so keen on some of the previous chapters but for once I'm feeling positive which for me is a rare occurrence. It's too early to say whether the story will have a happy ending but in a way that depends on every last one of us. We may have our differences but we are all Bradfordian's, we should be united by that fact. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 11

3:45pm Thu 20 Mar 14

bcfc1903 says...

Lynessman wrote:
999 number of the beast wrote:
What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian!
Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park.
Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?
the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete

. on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena.

4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners.
Bradford has more than enough population to service a 4,000 capacity venue, get the right artists and you then start pulling in folk from further afield, it's not exactly rocket science is it. As for Leeds, the Alhambra does just fine getting top class shows to perform in Bradford, BCFC average 14,000 through the turnstiles in the third tier of English football and would get capacity crowds in VP if they ever got back to the Premier League. St George's Hall seems to do just fine with it's 1,500 capacity. Getting the right world class acts and having a varied use is key for the Odeon scheme and a 4,000 capacity, filling a gap in the arena market, it has nothing whatever to do with hanging out after the gig.
[quote][p][bold]Lynessman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian! Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park. Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?[/p][/quote]the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete . on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena. 4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners.[/p][/quote]Bradford has more than enough population to service a 4,000 capacity venue, get the right artists and you then start pulling in folk from further afield, it's not exactly rocket science is it. As for Leeds, the Alhambra does just fine getting top class shows to perform in Bradford, BCFC average 14,000 through the turnstiles in the third tier of English football and would get capacity crowds in VP if they ever got back to the Premier League. St George's Hall seems to do just fine with it's 1,500 capacity. Getting the right world class acts and having a varied use is key for the Odeon scheme and a 4,000 capacity, filling a gap in the arena market, it has nothing whatever to do with hanging out after the gig. bcfc1903
  • Score: 13

3:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BB&B!! says...

Funnily enough Bradford live was a group commissioned by the council to find a use for the building and Bradford One have always been very closely linked with the council this is all one big f**in farce!!!!! Oh and did I mention they both apply for funding from our council to go about their business not to mention the government grants they receive, so who is paying for this big idea? oh yes US THE TAXPAYERS. and who will benefit from the revenue??? I don't think they will be bringing down our council tax any time soon do you? :/
Funnily enough Bradford live was a group commissioned by the council to find a use for the building and Bradford One have always been very closely linked with the council this is all one big f**in farce!!!!! Oh and did I mention they both apply for funding from our council to go about their business not to mention the government grants they receive, so who is paying for this big idea? oh yes US THE TAXPAYERS. and who will benefit from the revenue??? I don't think they will be bringing down our council tax any time soon do you? :/ BB&B!!
  • Score: -16

3:50pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Avro says...

Joedavid wrote:
Glad the swimming pool idea gone.
Hope it not take too long for final decision to be made between the two good proposals.
At the end of the day one winner and one looser so I hope at the end somehow the one not chosen will be able to play a part with the chosen one too and both in it together.
I don't see anything from the council that they will chose one or the other..
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Glad the swimming pool idea gone. Hope it not take too long for final decision to be made between the two good proposals. At the end of the day one winner and one looser so I hope at the end somehow the one not chosen will be able to play a part with the chosen one too and both in it together.[/p][/quote]I don't see anything from the council that they will chose one or the other.. Avro
  • Score: -4

4:00pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Joedavid says...

Avro wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
Glad the swimming pool idea gone.
Hope it not take too long for final decision to be made between the two good proposals.
At the end of the day one winner and one looser so I hope at the end somehow the one not chosen will be able to play a part with the chosen one too and both in it together.
I don't see anything from the council that they will chose one or the other..
Well if they do not choose either the Council will demolish it, so people hope one or the other will be chosen by the Council to have the building.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Glad the swimming pool idea gone. Hope it not take too long for final decision to be made between the two good proposals. At the end of the day one winner and one looser so I hope at the end somehow the one not chosen will be able to play a part with the chosen one too and both in it together.[/p][/quote]I don't see anything from the council that they will chose one or the other..[/p][/quote]Well if they do not choose either the Council will demolish it, so people hope one or the other will be chosen by the Council to have the building. Joedavid
  • Score: -1

4:17pm Thu 20 Mar 14

mccarj says...

Bradford One’s vision to make this a live music venue in the re-opened auditorium” of the Odeon, “as close to its former splendour as before”, with cafes, bars, restaurants and retail to make it a sustainable proposition is such a great idea, one I and many other Bradford people have said that this is what it needs changing to, It will be another attraction for visitors to Bradford, hence capital to the City!
J McCarron
Bradford One’s vision to make this a live music venue in the re-opened auditorium” of the Odeon, “as close to its former splendour as before”, with cafes, bars, restaurants and retail to make it a sustainable proposition is such a great idea, one I and many other Bradford people have said that this is what it needs changing to, It will be another attraction for visitors to Bradford, hence capital to the City! J McCarron mccarj
  • Score: 5

4:27pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Gideon Seymour says...

BB&B!! wrote:
Funnily enough Bradford live was a group commissioned by the council to find a use for the building and Bradford One have always been very closely linked with the council this is all one big f**in farce!!!!! Oh and did I mention they both apply for funding from our council to go about their business not to mention the government grants they receive, so who is paying for this big idea? oh yes US THE TAXPAYERS. and who will benefit from the revenue??? I don't think they will be bringing down our council tax any time soon do you? :/
Bradford Live were not, to my knowledge, commissioned by Bradford Council to find a use for the building nor have they, or Bradford One, received any Council funding. Bradford One has so far received a grant of £10k from the Social Investment Business to help us set up and a small grant from another similar organisation to enable us to complete our Expression of Interest. Other than that we have had no public funding. To date the work to develop our plans has largely been done by us all as volunteers. We have no links to the Council who have been scrupulous in remaining independent and impartial.

The Council have made it clear that they don't expect to invest public money in redeveloping the building so it should have no impact on Council Tax. A successfully redeveloped building would however bring in significant revenue to the District in Business Rates.
[quote][p][bold]BB&B!![/bold] wrote: Funnily enough Bradford live was a group commissioned by the council to find a use for the building and Bradford One have always been very closely linked with the council this is all one big f**in farce!!!!! Oh and did I mention they both apply for funding from our council to go about their business not to mention the government grants they receive, so who is paying for this big idea? oh yes US THE TAXPAYERS. and who will benefit from the revenue??? I don't think they will be bringing down our council tax any time soon do you? :/[/p][/quote]Bradford Live were not, to my knowledge, commissioned by Bradford Council to find a use for the building nor have they, or Bradford One, received any Council funding. Bradford One has so far received a grant of £10k from the Social Investment Business to help us set up and a small grant from another similar organisation to enable us to complete our Expression of Interest. Other than that we have had no public funding. To date the work to develop our plans has largely been done by us all as volunteers. We have no links to the Council who have been scrupulous in remaining independent and impartial. The Council have made it clear that they don't expect to invest public money in redeveloping the building so it should have no impact on Council Tax. A successfully redeveloped building would however bring in significant revenue to the District in Business Rates. Gideon Seymour
  • Score: 17

4:39pm Thu 20 Mar 14

999 number of the beast says...

Lynessman wrote:
999 number of the beast wrote:
What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian!
Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park.
Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?
the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete

. on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena.

4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners.
They are doing this simply because of the success of Leeds Arena. Even if its a 4K capacity can you image giving the bad news to some ego act that Bradford is on tour dates!
[quote][p][bold]Lynessman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian! Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park. Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?[/p][/quote]the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete . on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena. 4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners.[/p][/quote]They are doing this simply because of the success of Leeds Arena. Even if its a 4K capacity can you image giving the bad news to some ego act that Bradford is on tour dates! 999 number of the beast
  • Score: -9

4:41pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Lynessman says...

Especially with idiots like you about !
Especially with idiots like you about ! Lynessman
  • Score: 10

6:42pm Thu 20 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Anyone else notice how Look Norths coverage focused on the negative by telling viewers that the non starter sports center bid had pulled out and leaving the proposed ideas of the two remaining bidders till the end almost as an afterthought?
Anyone else notice how Look Norths coverage focused on the negative by telling viewers that the non starter sports center bid had pulled out and leaving the proposed ideas of the two remaining bidders till the end almost as an afterthought? RollandSmoke
  • Score: 3

7:36pm Thu 20 Mar 14

bcfc1903 says...

999 number of the beast wrote:
Lynessman wrote:
999 number of the beast wrote:
What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian!
Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park.
Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?
the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete

. on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena.

4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners.
They are doing this simply because of the success of Leeds Arena. Even if its a 4K capacity can you image giving the bad news to some ego act that Bradford is on tour dates!
I don't agree, Bradford, a major city in the UK with a population of around 530,000 is crying out for a new music venue, It has nothing to do with the Leeds Arena which is a fantastic facility, it's about getting more people into Bradford city centre especially in the evening, the councils idea of getting more restaurants in the city centre going hand in hand with the Odeon Scheme, the Alhambra theatre, the Media museum and St George's Hall. producing a vibrant thriving cultural hub based around City Park.

Bradford has always attracted world class artists in the past, the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Free, Rod Stewart, The Faces, Gary Moore, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, David Bowie, Bon Jovi, Genesis and many many more all played the city, many on numerous occasions.
[quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynessman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: What do call an optimist? A Bradfordian! Tell me which act is going to come here when they go to the respective O2 establishments in Leeds or Manchester. After that they can hang out because the respective cities have a night life.What we are building is another white elephant like the city park. Of more importance when is the beloved Gasworks coming back?[/p][/quote]the O2 in Leeds has a 2300 capacity so you are right on the Bradford One bid it would compete . on Bradford Live with a 4000 capacity it provides a gap above O2 and below the new arena. 4000 capacity will get you great bands but not the big headliners.[/p][/quote]They are doing this simply because of the success of Leeds Arena. Even if its a 4K capacity can you image giving the bad news to some ego act that Bradford is on tour dates![/p][/quote]I don't agree, Bradford, a major city in the UK with a population of around 530,000 is crying out for a new music venue, It has nothing to do with the Leeds Arena which is a fantastic facility, it's about getting more people into Bradford city centre especially in the evening, the councils idea of getting more restaurants in the city centre going hand in hand with the Odeon Scheme, the Alhambra theatre, the Media museum and St George's Hall. producing a vibrant thriving cultural hub based around City Park. Bradford has always attracted world class artists in the past, the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Free, Rod Stewart, The Faces, Gary Moore, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, David Bowie, Bon Jovi, Genesis and many many more all played the city, many on numerous occasions. bcfc1903
  • Score: 9

10:38pm Thu 20 Mar 14

curtmal says...

I think Bradford ones plans are very good because it's something that will always be open and can be used by everybody
I think Bradford ones plans are very good because it's something that will always be open and can be used by everybody curtmal
  • Score: 1

12:04am Fri 21 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

If the Live bid gets it then I wonder what bands they will get to fill up to 4000 seats when Clear Channel control most of the bands. They could buy them in for a lot more than it's worth and this is where the council might come in so they can bail them out on the sly.
The other bid just seems to tow the party line to try and look after culturism market so we can learn about people coming to this country, yes most I will imagine will see that as a bad idea,
If the Live bid gets it then I wonder what bands they will get to fill up to 4000 seats when Clear Channel control most of the bands. They could buy them in for a lot more than it's worth and this is where the council might come in so they can bail them out on the sly. The other bid just seems to tow the party line to try and look after culturism market so we can learn about people coming to this country, yes most I will imagine will see that as a bad idea, Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -3

9:50am Fri 21 Mar 14

UNCLE1 says...

Queens Hall failed. Love Apple failed. St Georges Hall isn't attracting the top bands. What will these people do differently? Where is Bradford One's money coming from? It's probably not coming from Seymour's private capital, which means he may wish to use public money! We need jobs first!
Queens Hall failed. Love Apple failed. St Georges Hall isn't attracting the top bands. What will these people do differently? Where is Bradford One's money coming from? It's probably not coming from Seymour's private capital, which means he may wish to use public money! We need jobs first! UNCLE1
  • Score: -3

10:05am Fri 21 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

The Queens hall did well till it was taken off them but the Georges has a very weak ceiling so loads of vibrations is out even though it would be great spending a million or so on that roof than tarting up the Odeon pre refurb. The Love Apple is just a small bar to be honest and that will be going when the flats are built.
The Queens hall did well till it was taken off them but the Georges has a very weak ceiling so loads of vibrations is out even though it would be great spending a million or so on that roof than tarting up the Odeon pre refurb. The Love Apple is just a small bar to be honest and that will be going when the flats are built. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Fri 21 Mar 14

bcfc1903 says...

It's not a matter of tarting up anything, it's a complete refurb, the Bradford Live scheme looks to upgrade the Odeon making it a world class facility with capacity to match. As much as I love St George's Hall it simply can't compete nowadays for the big world class artists but the concert hall has found an audience for other acts doing the circuit.
It's not a matter of tarting up anything, it's a complete refurb, the Bradford Live scheme looks to upgrade the Odeon making it a world class facility with capacity to match. As much as I love St George's Hall it simply can't compete nowadays for the big world class artists but the concert hall has found an audience for other acts doing the circuit. bcfc1903
  • Score: 5

7:15pm Fri 21 Mar 14

CharleyVarrick says...

Albion. wrote:
Good to see things are moving apace, good luck to both applicants. Some good ideas there.
Do you know what. I hate to admit it but for once I agree with Albion on this one. Let's' hope these ideas come to some fruition and not dust gathering fantasies like everything else has been over the last ten years or so.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: Good to see things are moving apace, good luck to both applicants. Some good ideas there.[/p][/quote]Do you know what. I hate to admit it but for once I agree with Albion on this one. Let's' hope these ideas come to some fruition and not dust gathering fantasies like everything else has been over the last ten years or so. CharleyVarrick
  • Score: 4

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