'Culture of greed' attacked as claims soar for 'injuries' in schools

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The number of compensation claims made against Bradford Council after pupils suffered injuries at school almost doubled in a year.

Children being hit by a swinging school bell, whacked in the mouth by a hockey stick and tripping over a chair led to claims being made against the local authority in the last financial year.

But although 25 claims were made in 2012/13, none led to pay-outs.

One teaching union said the figures were demonstrative of a “compensation culture”.

“Common sense has flown out of the window and greed has flown in,” said Pam Milner, National Executive member for the North and West Yorkshire branch of teaching union NASUWT.

“Growing up, if something happened and you were messing about, it was your own fault.

“It’s getting silly. We’re far too American now and whatever they do, we do a few years later.

“The compensation culture is something that needs urgent squashing – Bradford certainly hasn’t got the money for it.

“Everybody is running absolutely scared of health and safety and the possibility of being sued.”

Mrs Milner said the situation was detrimental to children’s education as schools were less likely to arrange trips out. “But we can’t cut back everything – what are we meant to do, just sit children in classrooms doing the three Rs?,” she said.

A request under the Freedom of Information Act showed in the financial year 2012/13, 25 claims were made against the Council for incidents including a pupil catching their finger in a door and a fall from a slide leading to a broken nose.

In 2011/12 there were 13 claims, resulting in one pay out of £4,100 after a primary school pupil caught their arm on a bolt protruding from a fence.

The previous year there were 22 claims leading to two payments. One of £1,400 after a primary pupil tripped over a rope in a PE lesson and hit their face on a cupboard, and one for £6,146 when a primary school pupil trapped their finger in a door hinge.

The councillor responsible for children and young people’s services in Bradford has called for common sense from parents.

“It still costs us money to have to deal with [claims which lead to no payments],” said Councillor Ralph Berry.

“It’s almost a plea for common sense in what’s becoming a compensation culture with the ambulance chasers approach.”

He said there was a difference between situations where schools may be culpable for a child’s health and safety and genuine accidents.

As a public body the Council has to investigate each claim.

“What’s actually happening is that we’re wasting time and money that could be used to deliver frontline services and it feels like at times under attack from an industry whose sole aim is to help empty the public purse,” Coun Berry said, adding that some people may be “on the make.”

A spokesman for the Association of Teachers and Lecturers said: “Potential hazards need to be identified and managed through risk assessment rather than being overly risk averse so that a worthwhile and educational activity does not take place. A risk averse culture still remains within some schools which continues to have a detrimental effect on learning, play and can limit pupils’ experiences and opportunities.”

He said the ‘no win – no fee’ companies possibly tempted parents into claims that would have once been considered as accidents. He said there were regular union-led health and safety visits to schools in Bradford.

Between 2011 and 2013 school staff made 39 compensation claims leading to five pay-outs totalling £18,346.70.

Those included £4,200 after a falling table broke someone’s finger and £3,400 when someone was scalded by a pan of hot water.

Coun Berry said insurance would cover such compensation payments, which would not affect frontline services and having good health and safety representatives in schools helped prevent those claims, which fell last year.

Miss Milner said those claims tended not to be for accidents, but genuine negligence claims.

Some of the accidents which led to compensation claims between 2011 and 2013:

  • Teacher colliding with pupil while playing netball
  • Toilet roll dispenser falling on to, and cutting, pupil’s leg
  • Inadequate lighting led pupil to trip over a kerb
  • Injured wrist whilst moving trampoline
  • Primary school child hit by swinging school bell 
  • Broken arm after tripping over chair in class
  • Slipped on bread tray, injuring face
  • Broken right thumb after tripping over a cup during a party
  • One pupil swung another down a hill
  • Pupil injured during ‘horseplay’

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6:23am Mon 24 Feb 14

Albion. says...

"But although 25 claims were made in 2012/13, none led to pay-outs."
Hardly worth a mention then.
"But although 25 claims were made in 2012/13, none led to pay-outs." Hardly worth a mention then. Albion.
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6:58am Mon 24 Feb 14

ShineyDave says...

Each claim would have required an investigation encompassing risk assessments, method statements, walk-throughs of the events, photographs, witness statements and so on. This would have involved people and time, by the time each claim had been investigated thoroughly the costs would have been in the region of £1k so £25k per year as a conservative estimate. That'd go some way towards funding another Teacher, maybe a mini bus, it's quite an unnecessary drain on the resources when non led to pay-outs.
Each claim would have required an investigation encompassing risk assessments, method statements, walk-throughs of the events, photographs, witness statements and so on. This would have involved people and time, by the time each claim had been investigated thoroughly the costs would have been in the region of £1k so £25k per year as a conservative estimate. That'd go some way towards funding another Teacher, maybe a mini bus, it's quite an unnecessary drain on the resources when non led to pay-outs. ShineyDave
  • Score: 26

8:26am Mon 24 Feb 14

mad matt says...

Blame it all on the "Have you had a trip or fall" type of adverts on the telly - and you're right, it all follows the American claim culture - ridiculous!
OK if there WAS obvious negligence by the school authorities but kids will be kids, they will always "lark around" that's how you learn to protect yourself when you're a kid - if you've got any sense you don't make the same mistake twice.
Blame it all on the "Have you had a trip or fall" type of adverts on the telly - and you're right, it all follows the American claim culture - ridiculous! OK if there WAS obvious negligence by the school authorities but kids will be kids, they will always "lark around" that's how you learn to protect yourself when you're a kid - if you've got any sense you don't make the same mistake twice. mad matt
  • Score: 24

8:36am Mon 24 Feb 14

Z.Raja says...

The problem with our society is that we allow it to continue until this become endemic. Who will pay the bill? Taxpayers are already paying for separators in the name of domestic violence ,readymade disabled and housing benefit fraudsters. The art of exploiting the benefit system has been mastered by such peoples. School claim system would provide a training ground for the new generations. One big question arises whether their parents has contributed any thing toward running these schools? Everybody knows the answer. Privatise these schools and students should pay their fees and the private school owners can fix much better rates for such claims. Little accidents do happen in schools but the art of rewarding them is very dangerous. Stop it here.
The problem with our society is that we allow it to continue until this become endemic. Who will pay the bill? Taxpayers are already paying for separators in the name of domestic violence ,readymade disabled and housing benefit fraudsters. The art of exploiting the benefit system has been mastered by such peoples. School claim system would provide a training ground for the new generations. One big question arises whether their parents has contributed any thing toward running these schools? Everybody knows the answer. Privatise these schools and students should pay their fees and the private school owners can fix much better rates for such claims. Little accidents do happen in schools but the art of rewarding them is very dangerous. Stop it here. Z.Raja
  • Score: -8

9:06am Mon 24 Feb 14

collos25 says...

Put the blame of various governments failure to stop this trend and stop individuals in government actually promoting it.
Put the blame of various governments failure to stop this trend and stop individuals in government actually promoting it. collos25
  • Score: 0

9:26am Mon 24 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

CULTURE a good word, and certain culture is the main problem for our society.
Just read about the appalling behaviour of a group in the Court Room, this is not something new and has been going on for years. Mobile phone ban! just go and look, scores of certain individuals blatantly using phones under the noses of court ushers/police. Witness intimidation openly seen, ignored.
So this Judge got tough and put them in the cells for 2 hours, wow. I bet some of the old style Judges would have sent them down for weeks, and that would deter future incidents. If we are ever to get society back to where it should be, we have to get tough with the scumbags.
CULTURE a good word, and certain culture is the main problem for our society. Just read about the appalling behaviour of a group in the Court Room, this is not something new and has been going on for years. Mobile phone ban! just go and look, scores of certain individuals blatantly using phones under the noses of court ushers/police. Witness intimidation openly seen, ignored. So this Judge got tough and put them in the cells for 2 hours, wow. I bet some of the old style Judges would have sent them down for weeks, and that would deter future incidents. If we are ever to get society back to where it should be, we have to get tough with the scumbags. alive and awake
  • Score: 28

10:17am Mon 24 Feb 14

Grumpygirl says...

This is practical Thatcherism in action. She allowed lawyers to advertise and chase ambulances on the grounds that competition was good for us. She also promoted the greed is good culture. As the story shows nobody has benefited; we're all losers.
This is practical Thatcherism in action. She allowed lawyers to advertise and chase ambulances on the grounds that competition was good for us. She also promoted the greed is good culture. As the story shows nobody has benefited; we're all losers. Grumpygirl
  • Score: -9

10:41am Mon 24 Feb 14

angry bradfordian says...

I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture'

As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps!
I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture' As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 20

11:37am Mon 24 Feb 14

Baildon girl says...

Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?
Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then? Baildon girl
  • Score: 11

11:41am Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture'

As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps!
Exactly.

Unions even get kick backs from Solicitors and will actually just go ahead and lodge an appeal on your behalf without even your say so

Greedy spineless organisations
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture' As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps![/p][/quote]Exactly. Unions even get kick backs from Solicitors and will actually just go ahead and lodge an appeal on your behalf without even your say so Greedy spineless organisations Andy2010
  • Score: 18

11:42am Mon 24 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Baildon girl wrote:
Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?
Singer?
[quote][p][bold]Baildon girl[/bold] wrote: Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?[/p][/quote]Singer? Albion.
  • Score: 9

11:52am Mon 24 Feb 14

mad matt says...

Albion. wrote:
Baildon girl wrote:
Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?
Singer?
That made me chuckle ! :)
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baildon girl[/bold] wrote: Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?[/p][/quote]Singer?[/p][/quote]That made me chuckle ! :) mad matt
  • Score: 3

12:06pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Apollo says...

mad matt wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Baildon girl wrote: Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?
Singer?
That made me chuckle ! :)
Had me in stiches.
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baildon girl[/bold] wrote: Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?[/p][/quote]Singer?[/p][/quote]That made me chuckle ! :)[/p][/quote]Had me in stiches. Apollo
  • Score: 11

12:07pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Apollo says...

Apollo wrote:
mad matt wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Baildon girl wrote: Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?
Singer?
That made me chuckle ! :)
Had me in stiches.
or stitches even.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baildon girl[/bold] wrote: Sometimes accidents happen in any path of life and there is nobody to blame. Far more accidents happen in the home who they going to sew then?[/p][/quote]Singer?[/p][/quote]That made me chuckle ! :)[/p][/quote]Had me in stiches.[/p][/quote]or stitches even. Apollo
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
This is practical Thatcherism in action. She allowed lawyers to advertise and chase ambulances on the grounds that competition was good for us. She also promoted the greed is good culture. As the story shows nobody has benefited; we're all losers.
Funny, I don't remember this compensation culture in thatchers days, seems to have come to the fore during the Blair years and got worse since then.

Funny how all you lefties love to blame everything on a government who were in power so long ago, whilst neglecting to blame more recent Labour governments for anything.

right on Comrade!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This is practical Thatcherism in action. She allowed lawyers to advertise and chase ambulances on the grounds that competition was good for us. She also promoted the greed is good culture. As the story shows nobody has benefited; we're all losers.[/p][/quote]Funny, I don't remember this compensation culture in thatchers days, seems to have come to the fore during the Blair years and got worse since then. Funny how all you lefties love to blame everything on a government who were in power so long ago, whilst neglecting to blame more recent Labour governments for anything. right on Comrade! Bone_idle18
  • Score: 10

12:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

One pupil swung another down a hill.


Lol !
[quote]One pupil swung another down a hill. [/quote] Lol ! The Hoffster
  • Score: 6

1:47pm Mon 24 Feb 14

allinittogether says...

Andy2010 wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture'

As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps!
Exactly.

Unions even get kick backs from Solicitors and will actually just go ahead and lodge an appeal on your behalf without even your say so

Greedy spineless organisations
Not all solicitors are greedy spineless organisations but the ambulance chasers certainly are, though I thought you'd approve of this behaviour, market forces innit? Capitalism in the raw!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture' As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps![/p][/quote]Exactly. Unions even get kick backs from Solicitors and will actually just go ahead and lodge an appeal on your behalf without even your say so Greedy spineless organisations[/p][/quote]Not all solicitors are greedy spineless organisations but the ambulance chasers certainly are, though I thought you'd approve of this behaviour, market forces innit? Capitalism in the raw! allinittogether
  • Score: -11

2:03pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

allinittogether wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture'

As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps!
Exactly.

Unions even get kick backs from Solicitors and will actually just go ahead and lodge an appeal on your behalf without even your say so

Greedy spineless organisations
Not all solicitors are greedy spineless organisations but the ambulance chasers certainly are, though I thought you'd approve of this behaviour, market forces innit? Capitalism in the raw!
I was referring to the Unions !
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: I find it a bit rich of the unions to be blaming the 'compensation culture' As someone who works in the private sector, we a constantly struggling to provide evidence against dubious claims that people are encouraged to make by their union reps![/p][/quote]Exactly. Unions even get kick backs from Solicitors and will actually just go ahead and lodge an appeal on your behalf without even your say so Greedy spineless organisations[/p][/quote]Not all solicitors are greedy spineless organisations but the ambulance chasers certainly are, though I thought you'd approve of this behaviour, market forces innit? Capitalism in the raw![/p][/quote]I was referring to the Unions ! Andy2010
  • Score: 5

2:22pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

2:32pm Mon 24 Feb 14

angry bradfordian says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The sad thing about our illustrious national leaders is that all the parties are as bad as each other.
For the first two terms of Blair's leadership he blamed everything on 17 years of Tory rule and the Tories attacked him for it. Now Cameron blames Blair/Brown and Labour attack him for it.

At the end of the day, all our politicians' primary aim is the good of their party & donors and the good of the nation comes second.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The sad thing about our illustrious national leaders is that all the parties are as bad as each other. For the first two terms of Blair's leadership he blamed everything on 17 years of Tory rule and the Tories attacked him for it. Now Cameron blames Blair/Brown and Labour attack him for it. At the end of the day, all our politicians' primary aim is the good of their party & donors and the good of the nation comes second. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 6

2:48pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind. Andy2010
  • Score: 9

3:08pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

3:11pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Steve30d says...

Seems a bit suss no mention made of *any* claims from staff in school. Do cleaners for example follow H&S and not have accidents. Do teachers never reach up for objects on high shelves and pull objects down on them. Or is it case that rather than the council, such claims would be against the school who is employing the staff.
Seems a bit suss no mention made of *any* claims from staff in school. Do cleaners for example follow H&S and not have accidents. Do teachers never reach up for objects on high shelves and pull objects down on them. Or is it case that rather than the council, such claims would be against the school who is employing the staff. Steve30d
  • Score: 3

3:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Poorest and most vulnerable lol yeah right

In NO society should it be right that people not working are "earning" more than people that do. They have readdressed this balance.

And rightly so...I just hope they go further
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Poorest and most vulnerable lol yeah right In NO society should it be right that people not working are "earning" more than people that do. They have readdressed this balance. And rightly so...I just hope they go further Andy2010
  • Score: 7

3:30pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout Andy2010
  • Score: 6

3:37pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Poorest and most vulnerable lol yeah right

In NO society should it be right that people not working are "earning" more than people that do. They have readdressed this balance.

And rightly so...I just hope they go further
Could you give a percentage for the number of welfare claimants that were earning more than people in work? For the vast majority all they would ever see is their basic JSA housing benefit and council tax benefit which does not add up to someones weekly wage and if it does then there is a wages issue that needs to be addressed. Finding one or two examples where people have managed to get high levels of housing benefit to keep them in their home in the leafy suburbs that they lived in before becoming unemployed does not justify the blanket attacks of welfare recipients that we have witnessed.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Poorest and most vulnerable lol yeah right In NO society should it be right that people not working are "earning" more than people that do. They have readdressed this balance. And rightly so...I just hope they go further[/p][/quote]Could you give a percentage for the number of welfare claimants that were earning more than people in work? For the vast majority all they would ever see is their basic JSA housing benefit and council tax benefit which does not add up to someones weekly wage and if it does then there is a wages issue that needs to be addressed. Finding one or two examples where people have managed to get high levels of housing benefit to keep them in their home in the leafy suburbs that they lived in before becoming unemployed does not justify the blanket attacks of welfare recipients that we have witnessed. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

3:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind. alive and awake
  • Score: 8

3:45pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

3:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

3:51pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs?
No not suggesting that at all. Like all charities these foodbanks are just plain businesses who whilst are offering a "service" offsetting the business against other "group" companies improve their tax position.

No-one is scamming anyone...its all perfectly legal but the only reason for the rise in foodbanks isn't because of demand its because of the business advantages. Same reason everyone jumped on the PPI bandwagon or the Ambulance chaser bandwagon.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs?[/p][/quote]No not suggesting that at all. Like all charities these foodbanks are just plain businesses who whilst are offering a "service" offsetting the business against other "group" companies improve their tax position. No-one is scamming anyone...its all perfectly legal but the only reason for the rise in foodbanks isn't because of demand its because of the business advantages. Same reason everyone jumped on the PPI bandwagon or the Ambulance chaser bandwagon. Andy2010
  • Score: 5

3:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol Andy2010
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sorrow&anger says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
I wish you could sometimes check the rubbish you spout. The Daily Mail is seldom unbiased.

Most Food Banks are entirely run by volunteers. The reason they are proliferating is that there is a need for them. Perhaps you would prefer people dying from hunger, stealing or food riots.

The total nonsense you talk about all Food Banks being a tax scam is part of the Tory campaign to portray the poor and those that help them as scroungers and criminals.

The Tories claim that not having money is the result of being born thick or else a deliberate lifestyle choice. This takes away the attention from the scandal of the Tory promoted growth in social and financial inequality. The Tory State exists to take money from the poor and give it to the rich.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]I wish you could sometimes check the rubbish you spout. The Daily Mail is seldom unbiased. Most Food Banks are entirely run by volunteers. The reason they are proliferating is that there is a need for them. Perhaps you would prefer people dying from hunger, stealing or food riots. The total nonsense you talk about all Food Banks being a tax scam is part of the Tory campaign to portray the poor and those that help them as scroungers and criminals. The Tories claim that not having money is the result of being born thick or else a deliberate lifestyle choice. This takes away the attention from the scandal of the Tory promoted growth in social and financial inequality. The Tory State exists to take money from the poor and give it to the rich. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs?
No not suggesting that at all. Like all charities these foodbanks are just plain businesses who whilst are offering a "service" offsetting the business against other "group" companies improve their tax position.

No-one is scamming anyone...its all perfectly legal but the only reason for the rise in foodbanks isn't because of demand its because of the business advantages. Same reason everyone jumped on the PPI bandwagon or the Ambulance chaser bandwagon.
You don't get out much do you Andy? There would be no demand without the referrals. The referrals do not come from anyone connected to the foodbank, business, charity, call it what you will. No-one can walk into a foodbank and get anything without a referral so what is motivating the agencies who give out these referrals to do so? It cannot be financial gain as they are not placed to benefit. Why have there been so many referrals that so many businesses have been able to jump in to make a little profit for this misery?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs?[/p][/quote]No not suggesting that at all. Like all charities these foodbanks are just plain businesses who whilst are offering a "service" offsetting the business against other "group" companies improve their tax position. No-one is scamming anyone...its all perfectly legal but the only reason for the rise in foodbanks isn't because of demand its because of the business advantages. Same reason everyone jumped on the PPI bandwagon or the Ambulance chaser bandwagon.[/p][/quote]You don't get out much do you Andy? There would be no demand without the referrals. The referrals do not come from anyone connected to the foodbank, business, charity, call it what you will. No-one can walk into a foodbank and get anything without a referral so what is motivating the agencies who give out these referrals to do so? It cannot be financial gain as they are not placed to benefit. Why have there been so many referrals that so many businesses have been able to jump in to make a little profit for this misery? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

4:09pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/223050
/incap_decd_recips_0
712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

4:18pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs?
No not suggesting that at all. Like all charities these foodbanks are just plain businesses who whilst are offering a "service" offsetting the business against other "group" companies improve their tax position.

No-one is scamming anyone...its all perfectly legal but the only reason for the rise in foodbanks isn't because of demand its because of the business advantages. Same reason everyone jumped on the PPI bandwagon or the Ambulance chaser bandwagon.
You don't get out much do you Andy? There would be no demand without the referrals. The referrals do not come from anyone connected to the foodbank, business, charity, call it what you will. No-one can walk into a foodbank and get anything without a referral so what is motivating the agencies who give out these referrals to do so? It cannot be financial gain as they are not placed to benefit. Why have there been so many referrals that so many businesses have been able to jump in to make a little profit for this misery?
The rise in demand is because of the number of services and the ease to which one can be referred. Its nothing to do with "poverty" as that simply doesnt exist.

Its about priorities.

How many foodbank customers smoke, drink, have phones or drug dependencies?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]So as no-one can access the services of a foodbank without a referral are you suggesting that all the doctors and other agencies referring people to them are in cahoots with the scammers who are dishing out unneeded food to those who can no longer afford the costs?[/p][/quote]No not suggesting that at all. Like all charities these foodbanks are just plain businesses who whilst are offering a "service" offsetting the business against other "group" companies improve their tax position. No-one is scamming anyone...its all perfectly legal but the only reason for the rise in foodbanks isn't because of demand its because of the business advantages. Same reason everyone jumped on the PPI bandwagon or the Ambulance chaser bandwagon.[/p][/quote]You don't get out much do you Andy? There would be no demand without the referrals. The referrals do not come from anyone connected to the foodbank, business, charity, call it what you will. No-one can walk into a foodbank and get anything without a referral so what is motivating the agencies who give out these referrals to do so? It cannot be financial gain as they are not placed to benefit. Why have there been so many referrals that so many businesses have been able to jump in to make a little profit for this misery?[/p][/quote]The rise in demand is because of the number of services and the ease to which one can be referred. Its nothing to do with "poverty" as that simply doesnt exist. Its about priorities. How many foodbank customers smoke, drink, have phones or drug dependencies? Andy2010
  • Score: 3

4:19pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/uploads/sy

stem/uploads/attachm

ent_data/file/223050

/incap_decd_recips_0

712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally? Andy2010
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Mon 24 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Steady on about killing people. Blair should know about that.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Steady on about killing people. Blair should know about that. alive and awake
  • Score: 6

4:22pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g


overnment/uploads/sy


stem/uploads/attachm


ent_data/file/223050


/incap_decd_recips_0


712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g



overnment/uploads/sy



stem/uploads/attachm



ent_data/file/223050



/incap_decd_recips_0



712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job Andy2010
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
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712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage. RollandSmoke
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4:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
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712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse Andy2010
  • Score: 2

5:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g






overnment/uploads/sy






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ent_data/file/223050






/incap_decd_recips_0






712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

5:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g







overnment/uploads/sy







stem/uploads/attachm







ent_data/file/223050







/incap_decd_recips_0







712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business.

Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself.

Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office.

BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business. Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself. Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office. BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!! Andy2010
  • Score: 3

6:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
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I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business.

Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself.

Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office.

BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!!
And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business. Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself. Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office. BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!![/p][/quote]And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

7:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g









overnment/uploads/sy









stem/uploads/attachm









ent_data/file/223050









/incap_decd_recips_0









712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business.

Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself.

Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office.

BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!!
And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?
They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business. Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself. Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office. BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!![/p][/quote]And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?[/p][/quote]They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured. alive and awake
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7:47pm Mon 24 Feb 14

modman61 says...

Unfortunately this is the culture we live in, "Where there is blame, there is a claim"
Unfortunately this is the culture we live in, "Where there is blame, there is a claim" modman61
  • Score: 4

7:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
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I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business.

Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself.

Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office.

BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!!
And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?
They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.
Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business. Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself. Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office. BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!![/p][/quote]And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?[/p][/quote]They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.[/p][/quote]Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is. RollandSmoke
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7:57pm Mon 24 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
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712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business.

Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself.

Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office.

BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!!
And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?
They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.
Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is.
Just make enquiries around our wonderful City and you will be pointed in the right direction, as I have told you before you do not know an inch of the road.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business. Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself. Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office. BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!![/p][/quote]And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?[/p][/quote]They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.[/p][/quote]Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is.[/p][/quote]Just make enquiries around our wonderful City and you will be pointed in the right direction, as I have told you before you do not know an inch of the road. alive and awake
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8:10pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
https://www.gov.uk/g












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stem/uploads/attachm












ent_data/file/223050












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712.pdf
I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business.

Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself.

Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office.

BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!!
And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?
They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.
Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is.
Just make enquiries around our wonderful City and you will be pointed in the right direction, as I have told you before you do not know an inch of the road.
So don't ask the person making the allegation to provide proof. Take him at his word. Don't question anything. Well if unsubstanciated allegations are allowed on the T&A I might just have a little fun on here. After all I can say what I like can't I? Mmmm who to target first?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business. Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself. Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office. BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!![/p][/quote]And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?[/p][/quote]They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.[/p][/quote]Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is.[/p][/quote]Just make enquiries around our wonderful City and you will be pointed in the right direction, as I have told you before you do not know an inch of the road.[/p][/quote]So don't ask the person making the allegation to provide proof. Take him at his word. Don't question anything. Well if unsubstanciated allegations are allowed on the T&A I might just have a little fun on here. After all I can say what I like can't I? Mmmm who to target first? RollandSmoke
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8:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?
The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves?

I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it.

Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.
If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.
Oh and by the way

Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages.

I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain.

I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout
The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.
Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.
Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down.

How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants.

So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures.

A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol
Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars?
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I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.
vs how many would have died naturally?
Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.
Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it

I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job
Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.
Excuse after excuse after excuse
You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?
Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business.

Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself.

Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office.

BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!!
And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?
They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.
Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is.
Just make enquiries around our wonderful City and you will be pointed in the right direction, as I have told you before you do not know an inch of the road.
So don't ask the person making the allegation to provide proof. Take him at his word. Don't question anything. Well if unsubstanciated allegations are allowed on the T&A I might just have a little fun on here. After all I can say what I like can't I? Mmmm who to target first?
Grow up, and get in he real world.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: I think we should all blame everything on the previous government as despite the current one having been in for four years now they have found themselves totally impotent when it comes to changing the things that they blame Labour for. Oh here's a problem, lets all blame it on the opposition, point our fingers, make disparaging remarks and then do absolutely nothing. I may be wrong however so if someone would like to highlight what has been done I'd be interested. How's the regulation of banks coming along? If this is truely an example of greed then I wonder if the example set by politicians who claim for everything and anything they think they can get away with has a part to play?[/p][/quote]The regulation of banks? You mean when Labour were in power and effectively changed the rulings so any subsequent Government would be effectively powerless to make changes? How's the pensions coming along? How's the EU policies? Hows the countries gold reserves? I'll tell you one thing this Government has done...cut down on the welfare bill which was GREATLY needed. Even dealing with the historic Labour immigration policies they have managed to limit it. Your right in that they cannot continually blame the previous government but when you look back at the state Labour left the country in and if you think rationally you'd realise that it takes a lot longer than 4 years to correct the mess they left behind.[/p][/quote]If by cutting down on the welfare bill you mean making the poorest and most venerable in society even poorer and more venerable then yes they've done a great job. As the banks base themselves in the City of London which is an independent sovereign state free of UK governmental control I struggle to see what any government can do to regulate them? It's my understanding that the role of the Remembrancer is to ensure they don't even try. The only banks that Cameron has had any influence over is the foodbanks the number of which has soared over the last 4 years.[/p][/quote]Oh and by the way Foodbanks.....They are registered charities and employ paid managers and directors to run them on very sizeable wages. I'm sure you will understand the tax advantages here and as to why there are now "so many" foodbanks. its nothing to do with demand but more to do with personal gain. I wish you could sometimes see through the rubbish you spout[/p][/quote]The sad part about it all is the past Labour government have instilled into these people a right to hand outs, and a right to increases on their hand outs,and a great sense of mal treatment when they don't always get what the want. Labour have ruined these people who in turn have ruined heir off spring, they should stand trial for crime against mankind.[/p][/quote]Where as the Tories just kill people. 10,600 between 2011 and 2012 dead within 6 weeks of being declared fit for work by ATOS.[/p][/quote]Yeah they went around there with shotgun didn't they and put them down. How dare they suggest people work...the evil tyrants. So you are telling me its factual that in 2011-12 five thousand people each year died as a DIRECT result of being told they would have to work.....just lol if you believe these figures. A few yes I'm sure but 10k....lol[/p][/quote]Well it's the governments own figures. Are you saying they are liars? https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/223050 /incap_decd_recips_0 712.pdf I'd give a more up to date figure but unfortunately they've stopped publishing them.[/p][/quote]vs how many would have died naturally?[/p][/quote]Presumably not many if they were all so fit that they could return to work.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of fit doesnt it I know of numerous people as I'm sure you do that dont work because of various "problems" when in reality they could actually be doing some job...any job[/p][/quote]Yes because we are that short of labour that the employers are screaming out for sick and crippled employees who our friend Philip Davis believes should be worth less than minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Excuse after excuse after excuse[/p][/quote]You've got something against doctors obviously. You don't trust their decisions when they refer people to foodbanks, you don't trust their decisions when they find their patients unfit for work. Best run to your local MP if you need medical advise. Or have a quick flick through the daily mail and all your ailments will just drift away. How did you manage to get into business with such a low level of understanding of the world around you? Did Daddy throw a load of money behind you or was it through your contacts down the lodge?[/p][/quote]Funnily enough it was from being brought up on a council estate not having a pot to p*&^ in and going to one of the worst schools in Bradford and looking around and thinking ...you know what....hard work will get me what I want in life. Thats how I got into business. Funny little thing called hard work and wanting to better myself. Or I could have just hung around the estate moaning about life and I wasnt being given enough by the dole office. BTW...about 95% of foodbank referral are from the social not doctors so dont bring them into it. Also depending on who you speak to most doctors will inform you that over the past so many years they would declare people unfit for work when they clearly were fine. This was for Government targets !!![/p][/quote]And of course you can provide evidence that doctors have declared fit people unfit to meet government targets? Surely there will be some evidence of these targets that you can point us in the direction of?[/p][/quote]They might meet the Doctor at that well known Bradford Hotel where the whiplash claimants all get signed as injured.[/p][/quote]Cool another allegation backed up with nothing. I may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I like to see evidence which is why when we were talking about the national debt yesterday I found the figures showing how it had doubled and why today when talking about Atos I posted a link to the governments own figures on the number of deaths. It's easy to do when something is true. Maybe you could provide some evidence that the doctors who you are slandering have been complicit in fraudulent whiplash claims? Start by naming this well known Hotel as I don't know which it is.[/p][/quote]Just make enquiries around our wonderful City and you will be pointed in the right direction, as I have told you before you do not know an inch of the road.[/p][/quote]So don't ask the person making the allegation to provide proof. Take him at his word. Don't question anything. Well if unsubstanciated allegations are allowed on the T&A I might just have a little fun on here. After all I can say what I like can't I? Mmmm who to target first?[/p][/quote]Grow up, and get in he real world. alive and awake
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

No win no fee should be banned. You should pay for legal services. These spurious claims cost decent law abiding people a fortune in higher insurance rates forced on them by thieving chavs and their revolting spawn making fraudulent claims for tripping over a fag paper or walking into a fence.
No win no fee should be banned. You should pay for legal services. These spurious claims cost decent law abiding people a fortune in higher insurance rates forced on them by thieving chavs and their revolting spawn making fraudulent claims for tripping over a fag paper or walking into a fence. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 6

9:19pm Mon 24 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
No win no fee should be banned. You should pay for legal services. These spurious claims cost decent law abiding people a fortune in higher insurance rates forced on them by thieving chavs and their revolting spawn making fraudulent claims for tripping over a fag paper or walking into a fence.
Correct, but what about their rights?
Anybody know if any Bradford residents were on that bus in South Yorkshire, you know the early morning one that usually had 6 passengers but mysteriously that morning had 40+ when it was involved in a planned crash.
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: No win no fee should be banned. You should pay for legal services. These spurious claims cost decent law abiding people a fortune in higher insurance rates forced on them by thieving chavs and their revolting spawn making fraudulent claims for tripping over a fag paper or walking into a fence.[/p][/quote]Correct, but what about their rights? Anybody know if any Bradford residents were on that bus in South Yorkshire, you know the early morning one that usually had 6 passengers but mysteriously that morning had 40+ when it was involved in a planned crash. alive and awake
  • Score: 1

10:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed?
"A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state."

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/ric
hest-mp-britain-slam
s-welfare-3178089#ix
zz2uHTRGbvV
There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area.

Bradford
Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403
Bradford Property Rental, £464739
Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638
Palm Cove Society, £420447
Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961
There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed? "A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state." http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/ric hest-mp-britain-slam s-welfare-3178089#ix zz2uHTRGbvV There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area. Bradford Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403 Bradford Property Rental, £464739 Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638 Palm Cove Society, £420447 Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961 RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

8:53am Tue 25 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed?
"A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state."

http://www.mirror.co

.uk/news/uk-news/ric

hest-mp-britain-slam

s-welfare-3178089#ix

zz2uHTRGbvV
There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area.

Bradford
Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403
Bradford Property Rental, £464739
Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638
Palm Cove Society, £420447
Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961
And?

So what if they ? What do you want a landlord to do? Let people stop in their houses for free?

Are you also against people buying houses with mortgages? Are these "rich" banks and building societies picking on the weak and most vulnerable. Should we all be provided houses, food and spending money for nothing? You do talk some rubbish

I would love to see how the world economy would play out under yourself and your ideals. The whole world would be burning in chaos within a a week.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed? "A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state." http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/ric hest-mp-britain-slam s-welfare-3178089#ix zz2uHTRGbvV There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area. Bradford Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403 Bradford Property Rental, £464739 Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638 Palm Cove Society, £420447 Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961[/p][/quote]And? So what if they ? What do you want a landlord to do? Let people stop in their houses for free? Are you also against people buying houses with mortgages? Are these "rich" banks and building societies picking on the weak and most vulnerable. Should we all be provided houses, food and spending money for nothing? You do talk some rubbish I would love to see how the world economy would play out under yourself and your ideals. The whole world would be burning in chaos within a a week. Andy2010
  • Score: 0

2:16pm Tue 25 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed?
"A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state."

http://www.mirror.co


.uk/news/uk-news/ric


hest-mp-britain-slam


s-welfare-3178089#ix


zz2uHTRGbvV
There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area.

Bradford
Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403
Bradford Property Rental, £464739
Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638
Palm Cove Society, £420447
Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961
And?

So what if they ? What do you want a landlord to do? Let people stop in their houses for free?

Are you also against people buying houses with mortgages? Are these "rich" banks and building societies picking on the weak and most vulnerable. Should we all be provided houses, food and spending money for nothing? You do talk some rubbish

I would love to see how the world economy would play out under yourself and your ideals. The whole world would be burning in chaos within a a week.
I can see the hypocrisy of blasting the amount of money spent on benefits while renting my properties out to benefit claimants to the tune of £625,000 pa even if you can't. It would be interesting to see what the rents were for his properties. I wonder how much his profits will be effected by the housing benefit cap. You talk about people on benefits earning more than people in work. I wonder how many of his tenants would fall into this category? Not for the amount of money that they personally receive but due to the amount of housing benefit going into the pocket of this mega rich Tory hypocrite.
As regards the Bradford landlords Ripple Drugs Services ltd is a private not for profit "charity" so how have they managed to fund the purchase of a property portfolio with a rental value of just shy of half a million?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed? "A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state." http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/ric hest-mp-britain-slam s-welfare-3178089#ix zz2uHTRGbvV There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area. Bradford Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403 Bradford Property Rental, £464739 Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638 Palm Cove Society, £420447 Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961[/p][/quote]And? So what if they ? What do you want a landlord to do? Let people stop in their houses for free? Are you also against people buying houses with mortgages? Are these "rich" banks and building societies picking on the weak and most vulnerable. Should we all be provided houses, food and spending money for nothing? You do talk some rubbish I would love to see how the world economy would play out under yourself and your ideals. The whole world would be burning in chaos within a a week.[/p][/quote]I can see the hypocrisy of blasting the amount of money spent on benefits while renting my properties out to benefit claimants to the tune of £625,000 pa even if you can't. It would be interesting to see what the rents were for his properties. I wonder how much his profits will be effected by the housing benefit cap. You talk about people on benefits earning more than people in work. I wonder how many of his tenants would fall into this category? Not for the amount of money that they personally receive but due to the amount of housing benefit going into the pocket of this mega rich Tory hypocrite. As regards the Bradford landlords Ripple Drugs Services ltd is a private not for profit "charity" so how have they managed to fund the purchase of a property portfolio with a rental value of just shy of half a million? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

11:51am Wed 26 Feb 14

SmudgeXVI says...

And all this resulted in reading about children claimants in Bradford schools!
And all this resulted in reading about children claimants in Bradford schools! SmudgeXVI
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Fri 28 Feb 14

gracie field says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed?
"A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state."

http://www.mirror.co


.uk/news/uk-news/ric


hest-mp-britain-slam


s-welfare-3178089#ix


zz2uHTRGbvV
There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area.

Bradford
Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403
Bradford Property Rental, £464739
Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638
Palm Cove Society, £420447
Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961
And?

So what if they ? What do you want a landlord to do? Let people stop in their houses for free?

Are you also against people buying houses with mortgages? Are these "rich" banks and building societies picking on the weak and most vulnerable. Should we all be provided houses, food and spending money for nothing? You do talk some rubbish

I would love to see how the world economy would play out under yourself and your ideals. The whole world would be burning in chaos within a a week.
The housing benefit bill has gone up since the bedroom tax came along. The Tory scum pushed many into private rents which cost the tax payers far more than leaving them in their cheaper social houses. The Tory scum did this because they want to pocket this housing benefit rather than allow the housing associations to get it. Each appeal costs over a thousand five hundred pounds. All the greedy Tories have done is steal more of the tax payers money for themselves by causing this to happen. Tory scum iain duncan smithe is so rubbish at his job that he made 50,000 mistakes with the recent 1996 legislation blunder. He and the wicked witch the government bike mcevoy and others stood in parliament and lied through their teeth saying only 5000 were affected by his massive blunder when already figures back from FOI from 194 councils prove that already even though they havent received all of them back yet proves 21,500 people were already wrongly charged bedroom tax. This sent some people over the edge and killed themselves directly because of tory mistakes. How many people do you know who kept their jobs after 21.000 mistakes? let alone the 50,000 expected back from them all. So many food banks are being used because of the large amount of sanctions ordered to be given to thousands of our unemployed people done in manipulation of the jobless figures. The sanctions often happen more whenever a "Tory count" of the amount of jobless is done. The scum Tory liars pretend that jobless figures have improved under their reign when in fact there are more jobless under Tory scum than there were when they came to power. The figures they arrive at exclude the hundreds of thousands they sanctioned that week and the many on workfare which they forgot to add to their figures. Tory scum are crafty liars whose policies all benefit themselves and their scum tory friends and those who donate to them. Even our own Baildon mp had some questionable donations from bookmaking organisations whilst at the same time calling for them to be given tax concessions by the UK Government. That is how Tory scum roll. "They are all in it together" don't ya know.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: There is an interesting piece in today's Mirror regarding rich landlords raking it in through housing benefit. Is this the culture of greed? "A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state." http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/ric hest-mp-britain-slam s-welfare-3178089#ix zz2uHTRGbvV There is an interactive map showing which landlords get most in each area. Bradford Ripple Drugs Services Ltd, £478403 Bradford Property Rental, £464739 Blackshaw Holdings Ltd, £441638 Palm Cove Society, £420447 Bleu Properties Ltd, £400961[/p][/quote]And? So what if they ? What do you want a landlord to do? Let people stop in their houses for free? Are you also against people buying houses with mortgages? Are these "rich" banks and building societies picking on the weak and most vulnerable. Should we all be provided houses, food and spending money for nothing? You do talk some rubbish I would love to see how the world economy would play out under yourself and your ideals. The whole world would be burning in chaos within a a week.[/p][/quote]The housing benefit bill has gone up since the bedroom tax came along. The Tory scum pushed many into private rents which cost the tax payers far more than leaving them in their cheaper social houses. The Tory scum did this because they want to pocket this housing benefit rather than allow the housing associations to get it. Each appeal costs over a thousand five hundred pounds. All the greedy Tories have done is steal more of the tax payers money for themselves by causing this to happen. Tory scum iain duncan smithe is so rubbish at his job that he made 50,000 mistakes with the recent 1996 legislation blunder. He and the wicked witch the government bike mcevoy and others stood in parliament and lied through their teeth saying only 5000 were affected by his massive blunder when already figures back from FOI from 194 councils prove that already even though they havent received all of them back yet proves 21,500 people were already wrongly charged bedroom tax. This sent some people over the edge and killed themselves directly because of tory mistakes. How many people do you know who kept their jobs after 21.000 mistakes? let alone the 50,000 expected back from them all. So many food banks are being used because of the large amount of sanctions ordered to be given to thousands of our unemployed people done in manipulation of the jobless figures. The sanctions often happen more whenever a "Tory count" of the amount of jobless is done. The scum Tory liars pretend that jobless figures have improved under their reign when in fact there are more jobless under Tory scum than there were when they came to power. The figures they arrive at exclude the hundreds of thousands they sanctioned that week and the many on workfare which they forgot to add to their figures. Tory scum are crafty liars whose policies all benefit themselves and their scum tory friends and those who donate to them. Even our own Baildon mp had some questionable donations from bookmaking organisations whilst at the same time calling for them to be given tax concessions by the UK Government. That is how Tory scum roll. "They are all in it together" don't ya know. gracie field
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