Council's £1m investment will revamp streets to link new Westfield centre with existing Kirkgate Centre

The area at the junction of Kirkgate and Darley Street in Bradford city centre to be revamped

The area at the junction of Kirkgate and Darley Street in Bradford city centre to be revamped

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , City Hall Reporter

A new shopper-friendly Kirkgate Square is to be created in Bradford city centre as part of a £1 million investment.

The development, and a wider revamp of Kirkgate, is designed to create an attractive thoroughfare linking Westfield’s under-construction Broadway development with city-centre stalwart the Kirkgate Centre.

The square will be formed at the junction of Kirkgate and Darley Street, and will feature semi-mature trees, raised grassy areas and informal granite seats similar to those found in nearby City Park.

Along the length of the road, new natural stone paving will be put in to replace the existing concrete slabs and grey herringbone surface.

The revamp is designed to tempt shoppers visiting the Broadway centre to explore stores in the higher end of the city centre too.

Bradford Council’s leader, Councillor David Green, said: “The new Kirkgate square will create an informal meeting space and seating area and turning the whole street into a green, pleasant space should increase footfall from both visitors and residents.

“We are putting in this investment to ensure visitors flow to and from the new Westfield shopping development to the higher end of the city centre so that Bradford is a desirable shopping destination in its entirety.

“Work will be complete by December this year.”

The project forms the last part of a wider improvement scheme, which began with City Park, Darley Street, Prince’s Way and Market Street.

Val Summerscales, secretary of Bradford Chamber of Trade, which represents small businesses, said: “We would support any initiative that aimed to facilitate a better link between the existing city centre and the proposed Westfield site. It’s crucial that a pedestrianised link is maintained.”

Catherine Riley, manager of the Kirkgate Centre, said: “We are looking forward to Kirkgate being brought up to the same standard as the rest of the improved areas in the city centre.”

A report on the proposed Kirkgate improvements will go before a meeting of the Council’s executive on Tuesday, February 18.

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7:09am Tue 11 Feb 14

Albion. says...

"The square will be formed at the junction of Kirkgate and Darley Street, and will feature semi-mature trees, raised grassy areas and" tumbleweed?
"The square will be formed at the junction of Kirkgate and Darley Street, and will feature semi-mature trees, raised grassy areas and" tumbleweed? Albion.
  • Score: -7

7:42am Tue 11 Feb 14

BierleyBoy says...

This may look nice, but the reasoning behind it is plain nonsensical.. Anyone who does visit Broadway, if it ever does actually happen, won't tackle the hill to look at what they know is the poor relation.

£2m should get a whole lot more than it sounds like is being got.
This may look nice, but the reasoning behind it is plain nonsensical.. Anyone who does visit Broadway, if it ever does actually happen, won't tackle the hill to look at what they know is the poor relation. £2m should get a whole lot more than it sounds like is being got. BierleyBoy
  • Score: 14

7:46am Tue 11 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

I thought this area had already been refurbished, why does it need doing again so soon were cheap materials etc. used?
I thought this area had already been refurbished, why does it need doing again so soon were cheap materials etc. used? Joedavid
  • Score: 5

8:08am Tue 11 Feb 14

schroeder says...

Kikgate centre is just a very short walk from Westfield. People WILL visit both, just like people visit both Kirkgate and Forster Sq now, which is a further walk.
Kikgate centre is just a very short walk from Westfield. People WILL visit both, just like people visit both Kirkgate and Forster Sq now, which is a further walk. schroeder
  • Score: 8

8:48am Tue 11 Feb 14

angry bradfordian says...

Joedavid wrote:
I thought this area had already been refurbished, why does it need doing again so soon were cheap materials etc. used?
That was exactly what I thought.
A quick look back through the T&A archive suggests that the repaving of Hustlergate/Bank St/Darley St was only completed in September 2011! And the council were boasting about the high quality, long life materials used!

It would make a massive improvement if they actually enforced the pedestrianised area. It's the most trafficked 'pedestrian' area I've seen in any town.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: I thought this area had already been refurbished, why does it need doing again so soon were cheap materials etc. used?[/p][/quote]That was exactly what I thought. A quick look back through the T&A archive suggests that the repaving of Hustlergate/Bank St/Darley St was only completed in September 2011! And the council were boasting about the high quality, long life materials used! It would make a massive improvement if they actually enforced the pedestrianised area. It's the most trafficked 'pedestrian' area I've seen in any town. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 22

8:53am Tue 11 Feb 14

collos25 says...

It will make a much more comfortable place for the drug dealers and drunkards to sit and chat,
have you ever heard such rubbish in your life.
It will make a much more comfortable place for the drug dealers and drunkards to sit and chat, have you ever heard such rubbish in your life. collos25
  • Score: 3

9:11am Tue 11 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Where will the cars be parked? Sounds like a way to pacify the traders around Kirkgate into thinking people will still visit what will then become "the new top end of town" Any idea what will happen to todays top end of town?
Where will the cars be parked? Sounds like a way to pacify the traders around Kirkgate into thinking people will still visit what will then become "the new top end of town" Any idea what will happen to todays top end of town? alive and awake
  • Score: 4

9:11am Tue 11 Feb 14

sub-zero52 says...

I'm sorry to say that Bradford missed the boat long ago & I really can't see that the development that's finally taking place now is going to tempt people back to the city centre in any significant number. After such a long time with a hole for a city centre people will have found other places to shop & with Leeds on the doorstep with such a busy & vibrant retail & entertainment scene Bradford is on a hiding to nothing. The fact that Leeds also has advanced plans for further development that will increase the retail square footage of the city by a third will only increase the popularity of Bradfords near neighbour. despite it's proud heritage Bradford lost it's way many years ago & the centre is not worth visiting now.
I'm sorry to say that Bradford missed the boat long ago & I really can't see that the development that's finally taking place now is going to tempt people back to the city centre in any significant number. After such a long time with a hole for a city centre people will have found other places to shop & with Leeds on the doorstep with such a busy & vibrant retail & entertainment scene Bradford is on a hiding to nothing. The fact that Leeds also has advanced plans for further development that will increase the retail square footage of the city by a third will only increase the popularity of Bradfords near neighbour. despite it's proud heritage Bradford lost it's way many years ago & the centre is not worth visiting now. sub-zero52
  • Score: 9

9:48am Tue 11 Feb 14

northern pig says...

Creating a veritable oasis, for the wandering band of benefit scroungers and low life that inhabit Braford centre on a daily basis! is barmy.Whoever conceived it,must be on drugs supplied by the afore mentioned dross.lol, pig
Creating a veritable oasis, for the wandering band of benefit scroungers and low life that inhabit Braford centre on a daily basis! is barmy.Whoever conceived it,must be on drugs supplied by the afore mentioned dross.lol, pig northern pig
  • Score: 13

10:00am Tue 11 Feb 14

sorrow&anger says...

'Shopper friendly'? What shoppers? They're all in Leeds.
'Shopper friendly'? What shoppers? They're all in Leeds. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 24

10:17am Tue 11 Feb 14

Truth77 says...

Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city
Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people.

The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.
Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people. The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre. Truth77
  • Score: 19

11:12am Tue 11 Feb 14

Banni2 says...

Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?
Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person? Banni2
  • Score: -17

11:17am Tue 11 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

Banni2 wrote:
Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?
Did you not read my post that this area was refurbished only 3 years ago?
So no way should it need doing. Would you be happy if your drive way was at your expense redone and only lasted 3 years?
[quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?[/p][/quote]Did you not read my post that this area was refurbished only 3 years ago? So no way should it need doing. Would you be happy if your drive way was at your expense redone and only lasted 3 years? Joedavid
  • Score: 12

11:18am Tue 11 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Banni2 wrote:
Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?
It's called "expressing your opinion" who are you to say what others should or shouldn't think?
[quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?[/p][/quote]It's called "expressing your opinion" who are you to say what others should or shouldn't think? Albion.
  • Score: 19

11:27am Tue 11 Feb 14

MrQuinque says...

OK, now put a glass roof over everything from the top of Darley street, down to market street on one side and Bridge Street/Sunbridge road on theother and we might be getting somewhere. Just creating a terraced covered shopping area on Darley Street leading in to the Square would be good.


Now if we can just get the council to see sense and make the city pool a real asset to the city centre we might be getting somewhere.
OK, now put a glass roof over everything from the top of Darley street, down to market street on one side and Bridge Street/Sunbridge road on theother and we might be getting somewhere. Just creating a terraced covered shopping area on Darley Street leading in to the Square would be good. Now if we can just get the council to see sense and make the city pool a real asset to the city centre we might be getting somewhere. MrQuinque
  • Score: 4

11:56am Tue 11 Feb 14

Avro says...

collos25 wrote:
It will make a much more comfortable place for the drug dealers and drunkards to sit and chat,
have you ever heard such rubbish in your life.
Centenary Square already has loitering drunks and smackheads daya nd night.

Like you say, the Kirkgate 'Square' will end up being pretty much the same and out of sight of City Hall.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: It will make a much more comfortable place for the drug dealers and drunkards to sit and chat, have you ever heard such rubbish in your life.[/p][/quote]Centenary Square already has loitering drunks and smackheads daya nd night. Like you say, the Kirkgate 'Square' will end up being pretty much the same and out of sight of City Hall. Avro
  • Score: 14

11:58am Tue 11 Feb 14

Avro says...

Albion. wrote:
Banni2 wrote:
Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?
It's called "expressing your opinion" who are you to say what others should or shouldn't think?
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?[/p][/quote]It's called "expressing your opinion" who are you to say what others should or shouldn't think?[/p][/quote]Well said! Avro
  • Score: 10

12:19pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bd7 helper says...

Bradford on the map once again we are moving forward
Bradford on the map once again we are moving forward bd7 helper
  • Score: -9

12:37pm Tue 11 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

Banni2 wrote:
Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?
"Pulling the city to bits"?

LOL!!
[quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: Once again,all the sad comment writers are pulling the City to bits, for once in your lives give the City a chance and your comments a rest. Unless of course you would prefer to become a Leeds person?[/p][/quote]"Pulling the city to bits"? LOL!! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 10

12:40pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Council tax is set to rise, youth services are set to be cut, frontline staff are to be laid off but the council can spend £1m on an area that was done up less than 3 years ago.

Words fail me.
Council tax is set to rise, youth services are set to be cut, frontline staff are to be laid off but the council can spend £1m on an area that was done up less than 3 years ago. Words fail me. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: 26

12:56pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Andee says...

What Bradford needs is a covered walkway between the shopping centres.
What Bradford needs is a covered walkway between the shopping centres. Andee
  • Score: 12

12:58pm Tue 11 Feb 14

BD16 says...

I was quite intrigued to read that Bradford had "higher end" shopping, then I realised that it was a geographical term.......
I was quite intrigued to read that Bradford had "higher end" shopping, then I realised that it was a geographical term....... BD16
  • Score: 19

12:59pm Tue 11 Feb 14

yorkshiredude says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
I thought this area had already been refurbished, why does it need doing again so soon were cheap materials etc. used?
That was exactly what I thought.
A quick look back through the T&A archive suggests that the repaving of Hustlergate/Bank St/Darley St was only completed in September 2011! And the council were boasting about the high quality, long life materials used!

It would make a massive improvement if they actually enforced the pedestrianised area. It's the most trafficked 'pedestrian' area I've seen in any town.
Hustlergate, Bank St, Darley St... but not Kirkgate.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: I thought this area had already been refurbished, why does it need doing again so soon were cheap materials etc. used?[/p][/quote]That was exactly what I thought. A quick look back through the T&A archive suggests that the repaving of Hustlergate/Bank St/Darley St was only completed in September 2011! And the council were boasting about the high quality, long life materials used! It would make a massive improvement if they actually enforced the pedestrianised area. It's the most trafficked 'pedestrian' area I've seen in any town.[/p][/quote]Hustlergate, Bank St, Darley St... but not Kirkgate. yorkshiredude
  • Score: 3

1:03pm Tue 11 Feb 14

yorkshiredude says...

Truth77 wrote:
Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city
Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people.

The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.
Is parking that much easier in Leeds? Or just people are prepared to walk a bit further to the shops etc because the shops there are a bigger attraction?
[quote][p][bold]Truth77[/bold] wrote: Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people. The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.[/p][/quote]Is parking that much easier in Leeds? Or just people are prepared to walk a bit further to the shops etc because the shops there are a bigger attraction? yorkshiredude
  • Score: 14

1:20pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

yorkshiredude wrote:
Truth77 wrote: Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people. The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.
Is parking that much easier in Leeds? Or just people are prepared to walk a bit further to the shops etc because the shops there are a bigger attraction?
I always get the train into Leeds and park in a station on the Airedale line. Easy in, easy out and the train ticket is probably what you would spend on parking and far more than you would spend on petrol.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth77[/bold] wrote: Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people. The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.[/p][/quote]Is parking that much easier in Leeds? Or just people are prepared to walk a bit further to the shops etc because the shops there are a bigger attraction?[/p][/quote]I always get the train into Leeds and park in a station on the Airedale line. Easy in, easy out and the train ticket is probably what you would spend on parking and far more than you would spend on petrol. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: 15

2:03pm Tue 11 Feb 14

basil fawlty says...

I have to say that the proposals seem a bit lame. If there is money to spend then I would spend it on creating lots more city centre parking.
I have to say that the proposals seem a bit lame. If there is money to spend then I would spend it on creating lots more city centre parking. basil fawlty
  • Score: 14

2:13pm Tue 11 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

basil fawlty wrote:
I have to say that the proposals seem a bit lame. If there is money to spend then I would spend it on creating lots more city centre parking.
This Council has no intention of improving parking, that much is obvious.
It's true Bradford has lost shoppers now, and I consider myself someone who knows a bit about retail, I cannot imagine how they will get it back.
I could suggest something but this Council and indeed this Government haven't got the guts to do it
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the proposals seem a bit lame. If there is money to spend then I would spend it on creating lots more city centre parking.[/p][/quote]This Council has no intention of improving parking, that much is obvious. It's true Bradford has lost shoppers now, and I consider myself someone who knows a bit about retail, I cannot imagine how they will get it back. I could suggest something but this Council and indeed this Government haven't got the guts to do it alive and awake
  • Score: 12

2:29pm Tue 11 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

You wouldn't think crime was falling in Bradford would you? given some of these headlines in the T&A today. ffs
You wouldn't think crime was falling in Bradford would you? given some of these headlines in the T&A today. ffs alive and awake
  • Score: 11

2:33pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council. bcfc1903
  • Score: -12

3:14pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Avro says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
"World class concert hall" - by what standard?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]"World class concert hall" - by what standard? Avro
  • Score: 6

4:39pm Tue 11 Feb 14

MrQuinque says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together. MrQuinque
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Andee says...

Bradford Council will agree to planning, then the developers will go bust and the whole thing will stop for 5 years before it is finally sold for a quid and completed. In the meantime Bradford goes down the pan even further.
Bradford Council will agree to planning, then the developers will go bust and the whole thing will stop for 5 years before it is finally sold for a quid and completed. In the meantime Bradford goes down the pan even further. Andee
  • Score: 3

5:10pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
"World class concert hall" - by what standard?
By any concert hall that's classed as World Class.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]"World class concert hall" - by what standard?[/p][/quote]By any concert hall that's classed as World Class. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

5:17pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

MrQuinque wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together.
That may be your opinion but I believe Bradford Council are looking at that site as a possible site for a combined market, maybe a large park attached. I like the idea of a combined indoor market on that site, it certainly would be handy for Forster square station, Forster square retail park and Westfield.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together.[/p][/quote]That may be your opinion but I believe Bradford Council are looking at that site as a possible site for a combined market, maybe a large park attached. I like the idea of a combined indoor market on that site, it certainly would be handy for Forster square station, Forster square retail park and Westfield. bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

5:18pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
MrQuinque wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together.
That may be your opinion but I believe Bradford Council are looking at that site as a possible site for a combined market, maybe a large park attached. I like the idea of a combined indoor market on that site, it certainly would be handy for Forster square station, Forster square retail park and Westfield.
That should be ...car park attached.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together.[/p][/quote]That may be your opinion but I believe Bradford Council are looking at that site as a possible site for a combined market, maybe a large park attached. I like the idea of a combined indoor market on that site, it certainly would be handy for Forster square station, Forster square retail park and Westfield.[/p][/quote]That should be ...car park attached. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

5:18pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
MrQuinque wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together.
That may be your opinion but I believe Bradford Council are looking at that site as a possible site for a combined market, maybe a large park attached. I like the idea of a combined indoor market on that site, it certainly would be handy for Forster square station, Forster square retail park and Westfield.
That should be ...car park attached.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]The royal mail site is far too large to use for the markets, a far better use would be for the City Centre pool, full olympic sized, with full sized diving pool, recreational aquatic centre and all the other facilities one would expect form a modern leisure centre. The site is so large infact that you could fit the new leisure centres of both Bristol and Portsmouth on it together.[/p][/quote]That may be your opinion but I believe Bradford Council are looking at that site as a possible site for a combined market, maybe a large park attached. I like the idea of a combined indoor market on that site, it certainly would be handy for Forster square station, Forster square retail park and Westfield.[/p][/quote]That should be ...car park attached. bcfc1903
  • Score: -4

6:50pm Tue 11 Feb 14

schroeder says...

Truth77 wrote:
Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city
Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people.

The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.
Hardly any parking? there's 5 multi stories in the city centre - 6 when Westfield is built, plus various other car parks, plenty of street parking and over 1,000 free spaces at Forster square. It's a lot cheaper than in Leeds too. I've stopped going to Leeds because parking is ridiculously expensive. - cost me about 9 quid for a few hours last time!
[quote][p][bold]Truth77[/bold] wrote: Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people. The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.[/p][/quote]Hardly any parking? there's 5 multi stories in the city centre - 6 when Westfield is built, plus various other car parks, plenty of street parking and over 1,000 free spaces at Forster square. It's a lot cheaper than in Leeds too. I've stopped going to Leeds because parking is ridiculously expensive. - cost me about 9 quid for a few hours last time! schroeder
  • Score: 5

6:53pm Tue 11 Feb 14

schroeder says...

Andee wrote:
What Bradford needs is a covered walkway between the shopping centres.
why?
[quote][p][bold]Andee[/bold] wrote: What Bradford needs is a covered walkway between the shopping centres.[/p][/quote]why? schroeder
  • Score: -7

7:57pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Avro says...

schroeder wrote:
Truth77 wrote:
Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city
Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people.

The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.
Hardly any parking? there's 5 multi stories in the city centre - 6 when Westfield is built, plus various other car parks, plenty of street parking and over 1,000 free spaces at Forster square. It's a lot cheaper than in Leeds too. I've stopped going to Leeds because parking is ridiculously expensive. - cost me about 9 quid for a few hours last time!
Westfield won't be free parking
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth77[/bold] wrote: Leeds have lots of city centre parking = Vibrant with lots of visitors to the city Bradford hardly any parking = struggling to attract people. The planners can plan all they like for a car free city centre but with the high cost of public transport and the convieniance of your own car people will only come if they can park in the city centre.[/p][/quote]Hardly any parking? there's 5 multi stories in the city centre - 6 when Westfield is built, plus various other car parks, plenty of street parking and over 1,000 free spaces at Forster square. It's a lot cheaper than in Leeds too. I've stopped going to Leeds because parking is ridiculously expensive. - cost me about 9 quid for a few hours last time![/p][/quote]Westfield won't be free parking Avro
  • Score: 3

7:58pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Avro says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
"World class concert hall" - by what standard?
By any concert hall that's classed as World Class.
Now you really are deluded if you think that
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]"World class concert hall" - by what standard?[/p][/quote]By any concert hall that's classed as World Class.[/p][/quote]Now you really are deluded if you think that Avro
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
"World class concert hall" - by what standard?
Third world?

This is just a case of " lipstick on a pig".
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]"World class concert hall" - by what standard?[/p][/quote]Third world? This is just a case of " lipstick on a pig". Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Tue 11 Feb 14

lazybeat says...

this project can be a success, only with the people of Bradford. shop locally which generates an income into the city. there's no point criticising something Bradford has waited years for. The centre regeneration is great news for Bradford
this project can be a success, only with the people of Bradford. shop locally which generates an income into the city. there's no point criticising something Bradford has waited years for. The centre regeneration is great news for Bradford lazybeat
  • Score: 2

8:57am Wed 12 Feb 14

Danger Mouse Bantam says...

Bradford City Centre does need something different to attract visitors, increased footfall etc....
But to put more markets on the huge space which is the old sorting office would only create more derelict shops in other areas of the city. There's enough cheap tacky shops and pound shops as it is!
The one thing Bradford has got that local cities haven't is the Ice Rink. But that's outdated. Would like to see a state of the art leisure complex on that site to attract something different to the city.....
Bradford City Centre does need something different to attract visitors, increased footfall etc.... But to put more markets on the huge space which is the old sorting office would only create more derelict shops in other areas of the city. There's enough cheap tacky shops and pound shops as it is! The one thing Bradford has got that local cities haven't is the Ice Rink. But that's outdated. Would like to see a state of the art leisure complex on that site to attract something different to the city..... Danger Mouse Bantam
  • Score: 4

9:28am Wed 12 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
"World class concert hall" - by what standard?
By any concert hall that's classed as World Class.
Now you really are deluded if you think that
Not at all, a world class concert, arts and conference centre is what should be produced by refurbishing the Odeon building, the Idea of making that building into a swimming pool is just stupid, a bit like quite a few of your comments from the those I've had the misfortune to read.

The Idea is surely to bring more folk into Bradford city centre, a world class concert, arts and conference centre would do just that, a swimming pool certainly would not.

The Idea of a revamped Kirkgate makes perfect sense and it shows Bradford Council are thinking ahead in regards to getting shoppers who use Westfield to use other retail outlets in the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]"World class concert hall" - by what standard?[/p][/quote]By any concert hall that's classed as World Class.[/p][/quote]Now you really are deluded if you think that[/p][/quote]Not at all, a world class concert, arts and conference centre is what should be produced by refurbishing the Odeon building, the Idea of making that building into a swimming pool is just stupid, a bit like quite a few of your comments from the those I've had the misfortune to read. The Idea is surely to bring more folk into Bradford city centre, a world class concert, arts and conference centre would do just that, a swimming pool certainly would not. The Idea of a revamped Kirkgate makes perfect sense and it shows Bradford Council are thinking ahead in regards to getting shoppers who use Westfield to use other retail outlets in the city centre. bcfc1903
  • Score: -4

10:00am Wed 12 Feb 14

Avro says...

Like I said, totally deluded!
Like I said, totally deluded! Avro
  • Score: 3

2:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
"World class concert hall" - by what standard?
By any concert hall that's classed as World Class.
Now you really are deluded if you think that
Not at all, a world class concert, arts and conference centre is what should be produced by refurbishing the Odeon building, the Idea of making that building into a swimming pool is just stupid, a bit like quite a few of your comments from the those I've had the misfortune to read.

The Idea is surely to bring more folk into Bradford city centre, a world class concert, arts and conference centre would do just that, a swimming pool certainly would not.

The Idea of a revamped Kirkgate makes perfect sense and it shows Bradford Council are thinking ahead in regards to getting shoppers who use Westfield to use other retail outlets in the city centre.
Avro says...

Like I said, totally deluded!


Hardly, I believe you said the same about Westfield being built!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]"World class concert hall" - by what standard?[/p][/quote]By any concert hall that's classed as World Class.[/p][/quote]Now you really are deluded if you think that[/p][/quote]Not at all, a world class concert, arts and conference centre is what should be produced by refurbishing the Odeon building, the Idea of making that building into a swimming pool is just stupid, a bit like quite a few of your comments from the those I've had the misfortune to read. The Idea is surely to bring more folk into Bradford city centre, a world class concert, arts and conference centre would do just that, a swimming pool certainly would not. The Idea of a revamped Kirkgate makes perfect sense and it shows Bradford Council are thinking ahead in regards to getting shoppers who use Westfield to use other retail outlets in the city centre.[/p][/quote]Avro says... Like I said, totally deluded! Hardly, I believe you said the same about Westfield being built!!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

3:42pm Wed 12 Feb 14

yorkshireteayorkshirepudding says...

to have a true link with the two different locations and bring increased footfall to the town centre the council needs to have a vision which they lack. The revamping of an existing road will not increase foot fall. The council need to put a glass roof over Darley Street leading to the Westfield site and a glass roof over the front of Kirkgate where Macdonalds is situated. This will not only truly pedestrianise the area but also bring it all under a roof giving shelter to shoppers who will continue to shop regardless of the weather outside. We need the shopping areas to be under a glass roof like Leeds.
to have a true link with the two different locations and bring increased footfall to the town centre the council needs to have a vision which they lack. The revamping of an existing road will not increase foot fall. The council need to put a glass roof over Darley Street leading to the Westfield site and a glass roof over the front of Kirkgate where Macdonalds is situated. This will not only truly pedestrianise the area but also bring it all under a roof giving shelter to shoppers who will continue to shop regardless of the weather outside. We need the shopping areas to be under a glass roof like Leeds. yorkshireteayorkshirepudding
  • Score: 4

6:47pm Wed 12 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

yorkshireteayorkshir
epudding
wrote:
to have a true link with the two different locations and bring increased footfall to the town centre the council needs to have a vision which they lack. The revamping of an existing road will not increase foot fall. The council need to put a glass roof over Darley Street leading to the Westfield site and a glass roof over the front of Kirkgate where Macdonalds is situated. This will not only truly pedestrianise the area but also bring it all under a roof giving shelter to shoppers who will continue to shop regardless of the weather outside. We need the shopping areas to be under a glass roof like Leeds.
Yes, no doubt a glass roof would be great but rather expensive, the idea that Leeds has glass roofs on all it's shopping is laughable, Westfield in Bradford will have a glass roof and theKirkgate centre is indoors.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshireteayorkshir epudding[/bold] wrote: to have a true link with the two different locations and bring increased footfall to the town centre the council needs to have a vision which they lack. The revamping of an existing road will not increase foot fall. The council need to put a glass roof over Darley Street leading to the Westfield site and a glass roof over the front of Kirkgate where Macdonalds is situated. This will not only truly pedestrianise the area but also bring it all under a roof giving shelter to shoppers who will continue to shop regardless of the weather outside. We need the shopping areas to be under a glass roof like Leeds.[/p][/quote]Yes, no doubt a glass roof would be great but rather expensive, the idea that Leeds has glass roofs on all it's shopping is laughable, Westfield in Bradford will have a glass roof and theKirkgate centre is indoors. bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

9:13pm Sat 15 Feb 14

ade_splat says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
'Shopper friendly'? What shoppers? They're all in Leeds.
what shops?
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: 'Shopper friendly'? What shoppers? They're all in Leeds.[/p][/quote]what shops? ade_splat
  • Score: 0

9:16pm Sat 15 Feb 14

ade_splat says...

basil fawlty wrote:
I have to say that the proposals seem a bit lame. If there is money to spend then I would spend it on creating lots more city centre parking.
...and not at some excess hourly rate
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: I have to say that the proposals seem a bit lame. If there is money to spend then I would spend it on creating lots more city centre parking.[/p][/quote]...and not at some excess hourly rate ade_splat
  • Score: 3

4:08pm Sun 16 Feb 14

flogem says...

Cllr Dave Green wants hanging by his 2 earrings from the end of the tallest crane in bradford.Then spinning around so he can the whole of Bradford city centre then have a rethink on some the comments he's made.
Cllr Dave Green wants hanging by his 2 earrings from the end of the tallest crane in bradford.Then spinning around so he can the whole of Bradford city centre then have a rethink on some the comments he's made. flogem
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Sun 16 Feb 14

saleemy says...

Lets give the drunks, beggers and buskers nicer surroundings?
Lets give the drunks, beggers and buskers nicer surroundings? saleemy
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Mon 17 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

7:20pm Mon 17 Feb 14

gracie field says...

I am not surprised this place has gone to the dogs with so many unqualified people with little pond syndrome running the shop.

Can't we bring in some of the big people from Leeds or York to come up with some ideas. Too many village idiots in Bradford pretending they know what we need and how to run a town.
I am not surprised this place has gone to the dogs with so many unqualified people with little pond syndrome running the shop. Can't we bring in some of the big people from Leeds or York to come up with some ideas. Too many village idiots in Bradford pretending they know what we need and how to run a town. gracie field
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Mon 17 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council.
Sounds good to me, anything that adds or improves what's already there has to be good news for Bradford City Centre adding to the £260 million Westfield investment already happening and hopefully the potential of a new world class concert hall in a refurbished Odeon building (not a swimming pool please ). With the possibility of the merger of the Bradford Markets using the old post office sorting building, there does seem to be plenty of thought going into these happening and potential schemes by Bradford Council. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

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