Police warning to sex pests harassing Bradford University and Bradford College students

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Police warning to sex pests harassing Bradford University and Bradford College students Police warning to sex pests harassing Bradford University and Bradford College students

Police have stepped up patrols around the campuses of Bradford University and Bradford College in an effort to cut down on harassment of students.

And people who make sexually inappropriate gestures to others have been warned it may actually be an undercover police officer they are leering over.

The operation is part of a push by the police, the college and university and Bradford Council to make students feel safer around the inner city campuses.

In the past year there has been complaints over students being sexually harassed and intimidated during both day and night.

After police learned of a student being harassed near the campus on Monday, they sent police to the area. One 21-year-old who made an “inappropriate gesture” to a female student was stopped by officers, who arrested him after finding out he was also wanted for a vehicle crime.

The issue was highlighted in November when students took part in a “Reclaim the Night” march from the University to City Park to demand the city’s streets be made safer for women.

After Monday’s arrest a police spokesman said: “A male was stopped after he was noted to be acting in an inappropriate manner whilst driving past a female student close to Bradford University. Although not committing an actual offence, his manner was such to make someone feel uncomfortable.

“By a strange stroke of luck, the male turned out to be connected to another matter that officers were investigating involving vehicle crime.

“The male was subsequently arrested for making off without payment.”

He will appear in court next Friday.

Police will continue to patrol the area, including sending undercover officers posing as students. The spokesman added: “Please ensure you treat everyone with appropriate respect as who knows, it may just be an undercover officer that you make an inappropriate comment to. Would you want the comment repeated in court? Then don’t say it.”

Steffy Bechelet, women’s and liberation officer at the University Student Union, said: “The relationship between the police and the university is one that is constantly growing. It has really progressed this year, police seem to be really taking it seriously and we hope it stays like.”

Umar Rafique, vice president of Bradford College student union, said: “It is important there is a police presence because it deters people from acting in a way they shouldn’t be acting. Everyone has the right to feel safe.”

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9:21am Sat 8 Feb 14

Apollo says...

And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did. Apollo

9:35am Sat 8 Feb 14

Freddy Elliot says...

Yeah let's be honest about this it is an inner city 'community' issue, traditionally Asian, now increasingly European and lord knows what else we've let through the open doors. Same thing happens round the nightclubs. I think more would be done about this sooner if this was the white Brit boys but it is not. We've all harmlessley wolf whistled the girls on a night on a pub crawl (to be thanked as well!) but this is much worse.
Yeah let's be honest about this it is an inner city 'community' issue, traditionally Asian, now increasingly European and lord knows what else we've let through the open doors. Same thing happens round the nightclubs. I think more would be done about this sooner if this was the white Brit boys but it is not. We've all harmlessley wolf whistled the girls on a night on a pub crawl (to be thanked as well!) but this is much worse. Freddy Elliot

10:16am Sat 8 Feb 14

rosesrwhite says...

This has been going on for years, over ten years ago I was a student there and was always subject to this disgusting abuse on my way home, particularly after night lectures. I ended up dressing as a boy in the end just to feel safer. And sorry to say it, but it was always young Asian males who seemed to get a kick out of it. Its gone on for far too long without any action.
This has been going on for years, over ten years ago I was a student there and was always subject to this disgusting abuse on my way home, particularly after night lectures. I ended up dressing as a boy in the end just to feel safer. And sorry to say it, but it was always young Asian males who seemed to get a kick out of it. Its gone on for far too long without any action. rosesrwhite

10:26am Sat 8 Feb 14

theoutsider says...

MEANWHILE JAMIE NICHOLLS FROM HALIFAX- (SEE; EVEN JAMIE'S PLAYING DOWN THE BRATFUD CONNECTION) GOT 6TH PLACE IN THE SLOPESYTLE SNOWBOARD IN SOCHI.

NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IS THERE ? AND... THERES NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IN THE TEE & HEY!

EVER ?
MEANWHILE JAMIE NICHOLLS FROM HALIFAX- (SEE; EVEN JAMIE'S PLAYING DOWN THE BRATFUD CONNECTION) GOT 6TH PLACE IN THE SLOPESYTLE SNOWBOARD IN SOCHI. NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IS THERE ? AND... THERES NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IN THE TEE & HEY! EVER ? theoutsider

11:02am Sat 8 Feb 14

Albion. says...

theoutsider wrote:
MEANWHILE JAMIE NICHOLLS FROM HALIFAX- (SEE; EVEN JAMIE'S PLAYING DOWN THE BRATFUD CONNECTION) GOT 6TH PLACE IN THE SLOPESYTLE SNOWBOARD IN SOCHI.

NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IS THERE ? AND... THERES NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IN THE TEE & HEY!

EVER ?
That is featured in the sports section! Or where you just trying to deflect attention from these comments?
[quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: MEANWHILE JAMIE NICHOLLS FROM HALIFAX- (SEE; EVEN JAMIE'S PLAYING DOWN THE BRATFUD CONNECTION) GOT 6TH PLACE IN THE SLOPESYTLE SNOWBOARD IN SOCHI. NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IS THERE ? AND... THERES NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IN THE TEE & HEY! EVER ?[/p][/quote]That is featured in the sports section! Or where you just trying to deflect attention from these comments? Albion.

11:32am Sat 8 Feb 14

cibasteve says...

Albion. wrote:
theoutsider wrote:
MEANWHILE JAMIE NICHOLLS FROM HALIFAX- (SEE; EVEN JAMIE'S PLAYING DOWN THE BRATFUD CONNECTION) GOT 6TH PLACE IN THE SLOPESYTLE SNOWBOARD IN SOCHI.

NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IS THERE ? AND... THERES NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IN THE TEE & HEY!

EVER ?
That is featured in the sports section! Or where you just trying to deflect attention from these comments?
"And people who make sexually inappropriate gestures to others have been warned it may actually be an undercover police officer they are leering over."


So why bloody well put that in print, tell these animals nothing and catch them.
You may even get a motoring conviction out of it at the same time.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: MEANWHILE JAMIE NICHOLLS FROM HALIFAX- (SEE; EVEN JAMIE'S PLAYING DOWN THE BRATFUD CONNECTION) GOT 6TH PLACE IN THE SLOPESYTLE SNOWBOARD IN SOCHI. NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IS THERE ? AND... THERES NOTHING LIKE A FEEL GOOD STORY IN THE TEE & HEY! EVER ?[/p][/quote]That is featured in the sports section! Or where you just trying to deflect attention from these comments?[/p][/quote]"And people who make sexually inappropriate gestures to others have been warned it may actually be an undercover police officer they are leering over." So why bloody well put that in print, tell these animals nothing and catch them. You may even get a motoring conviction out of it at the same time. cibasteve

11:34am Sat 8 Feb 14

Yusef! says...

Totally agree this action needs to be taken, the area around the university campus is full of drug dealers and boy racing yobbos, Asian, English, European or whatever.... The area is run down, the police need to do more to tackle crime in that area, and then social rehabilititaion can start for these sexually deprived, testosterone charged, uneducated and inept elements of the society!
Totally agree this action needs to be taken, the area around the university campus is full of drug dealers and boy racing yobbos, Asian, English, European or whatever.... The area is run down, the police need to do more to tackle crime in that area, and then social rehabilititaion can start for these sexually deprived, testosterone charged, uneducated and inept elements of the society! Yusef!

1:02pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ? The Hoffster

1:27pm Sat 8 Feb 14

eccythump says...

This has indeed been going on for years and yes it is cars full of Asian youths, (it is not racist to tell the truth). The things they shout at young female students is thoroughly disgusting. Many young ladies have even quit the uni' because of the constant presence of these louts. It is hard enough for a youngster, being far from family and home, for the first time, without feeling intimidated to walk around your own campus area.
I go to a yearly reunion of ex-Bradford uni' students. I have been going since the early 80's. They are from all over Britain, some now even live abroad. Most went to Bradford uni' in the 1960's/70's and loved their time here. They used to say that they intended their children to attend. Not anymore they don't. Why wasn't more done about this, before the reputation of Bradford university was so besmirched ?
This has indeed been going on for years and yes it is cars full of Asian youths, (it is not racist to tell the truth). The things they shout at young female students is thoroughly disgusting. Many young ladies have even quit the uni' because of the constant presence of these louts. It is hard enough for a youngster, being far from family and home, for the first time, without feeling intimidated to walk around your own campus area. I go to a yearly reunion of ex-Bradford uni' students. I have been going since the early 80's. They are from all over Britain, some now even live abroad. Most went to Bradford uni' in the 1960's/70's and loved their time here. They used to say that they intended their children to attend. Not anymore they don't. Why wasn't more done about this, before the reputation of Bradford university was so besmirched ? eccythump

1:37pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Apollo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you. Apollo

1:45pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts. The Hoffster

2:19pm Sat 8 Feb 14

eccythump says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa. eccythump

2:22pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard? The Hoffster

2:45pm Sat 8 Feb 14

eccythump says...

The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us. eccythump

2:54pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Apollo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you. Apollo

3:27pm Sat 8 Feb 14

mrs walker says...

I was a student in Bradford quite a number of years ago and I can vouch that this has been going on for a long time. From car loads of young men shouting 'Come here and suck my ****', to the ones who follow you home and try to slobber unwanted kisses on you and force their way into your house... oh you men, so busy blaming the ones that don't look like you. But to me there's no difference. White, black, Asian: men of all races have intimidated me and my friends, you've all given in to your testosterone trying to 'get lucky', and you all need to look at yourselves really closely and stop treating us like we're stupid, weak, sexual objects.

Freddy Elliott says "We've all harmlessley wolf whistled the girls on a night on a pub crawl".

It's not always harmless. Sometimes it's intimidating and embarrassing. Stop it. Grow up. And while we're at it, it's really bad manners to grab someone's backside (white boy, two months ago, near university: did you think because I'm older, I'd be somehow grateful?)
I was a student in Bradford quite a number of years ago and I can vouch that this has been going on for a long time. From car loads of young men shouting 'Come here and suck my ****', to the ones who follow you home and try to slobber unwanted kisses on you and force their way into your house... oh you men, so busy blaming the ones that don't look like you. But to me there's no difference. White, black, Asian: men of all races have intimidated me and my friends, you've all given in to your testosterone trying to 'get lucky', and you all need to look at yourselves really closely and stop treating us like we're stupid, weak, sexual objects. Freddy Elliott says "We've all harmlessley wolf whistled the girls on a night on a pub crawl".[sic] It's not always harmless. Sometimes it's intimidating and embarrassing. Stop it. Grow up. And while we're at it, it's really bad manners to grab someone's backside (white boy, two months ago, near university: did you think because I'm older, I'd be somehow grateful?) mrs walker

4:32pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ? The Hoffster

5:26pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Super Hero says...

Couple of points to make:

This has nothing to do with religion, no religion teaches this Bull***t or things that may lead to this. ( How many stories on here everyday involving "white" people in sickening crimes, but does that mean it's their religion or parents teachings that have caused it?).

You can't put this down to a certain ethnicity, I've seen White lads harassing girls on a night, only difference with Asian lads is they normally do it from their cars. It could even be all the Kurds/Iraqis around town that are the real perverts.

There is so much trash on the streets of Bradford I feel sorry for the females of Bradford (and that includes the ones on four legs as well).

Ps. I can't stand yobs out to pull, hunting in packs like hyenas, with animal Fu****g mentality, living there double lives (mainly Asian) as good lads with their families but thinking they're something when they're out in packs on the passenger side of their best friends ride Jokers, make you laugh. I pity the fools Fu***ng ferals trash.
Couple of points to make: This has nothing to do with religion, no religion teaches this Bull***t or things that may lead to this. ( How many stories on here everyday involving "white" people in sickening crimes, but does that mean it's their religion or parents teachings that have caused it?). You can't put this down to a certain ethnicity, I've seen White lads harassing girls on a night, only difference with Asian lads is they normally do it from their cars. It could even be all the Kurds/Iraqis around town that are the real perverts. There is so much trash on the streets of Bradford I feel sorry for the females of Bradford (and that includes the ones on four legs as well). Ps. I can't stand yobs out to pull, hunting in packs like hyenas, with animal Fu****g mentality, living there double lives (mainly Asian) as good lads with their families but thinking they're something when they're out in packs on the passenger side of their best friends ride Jokers, make you laugh. I pity the fools Fu***ng ferals trash. Super Hero

5:53pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

Super Hero wrote:
Couple of points to make:

This has nothing to do with religion, no religion teaches this Bull***t or things that may lead to this. ( How many stories on here everyday involving "white" people in sickening crimes, but does that mean it's their religion or parents teachings that have caused it?).

You can't put this down to a certain ethnicity, I've seen White lads harassing girls on a night, only difference with Asian lads is they normally do it from their cars. It could even be all the Kurds/Iraqis around town that are the real perverts.

There is so much trash on the streets of Bradford I feel sorry for the females of Bradford (and that includes the ones on four legs as well).

Ps. I can't stand yobs out to pull, hunting in packs like hyenas, with animal Fu****g mentality, living there double lives (mainly Asian) as good lads with their families but thinking they're something when they're out in packs on the passenger side of their best friends ride Jokers, make you laugh. I pity the fools Fu***ng ferals trash.
Good points there.

And it seems it''s the closet BNP/EDL trash on here that seem to 'thumb down' anything that's remotely the truth (i.e. calling their own out for the same thing).

These scum aren't fooling anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Super Hero[/bold] wrote: Couple of points to make: This has nothing to do with religion, no religion teaches this Bull***t or things that may lead to this. ( How many stories on here everyday involving "white" people in sickening crimes, but does that mean it's their religion or parents teachings that have caused it?). You can't put this down to a certain ethnicity, I've seen White lads harassing girls on a night, only difference with Asian lads is they normally do it from their cars. It could even be all the Kurds/Iraqis around town that are the real perverts. There is so much trash on the streets of Bradford I feel sorry for the females of Bradford (and that includes the ones on four legs as well). Ps. I can't stand yobs out to pull, hunting in packs like hyenas, with animal Fu****g mentality, living there double lives (mainly Asian) as good lads with their families but thinking they're something when they're out in packs on the passenger side of their best friends ride Jokers, make you laugh. I pity the fools Fu***ng ferals trash.[/p][/quote]Good points there. And it seems it''s the closet BNP/EDL trash on here that seem to 'thumb down' anything that's remotely the truth (i.e. calling their own out for the same thing). These scum aren't fooling anyone. The Hoffster

6:18pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Apollo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together.

Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam.

That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college.

We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ?[/p][/quote]It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together. Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam. That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college. We reap what your 3rd world religion sows. Apollo

6:36pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together.

Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam.

That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college.

We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.
"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...."

--------

Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ?[/p][/quote]It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together. Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam. That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college. We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.[/p][/quote]"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...." -------- Really ? - and how have you come to know this ? The Hoffster

8:17pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Apollo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together.

Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam.

That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college.

We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.
"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...."

--------

Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?
Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one.

Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ?[/p][/quote]It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together. Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam. That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college. We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.[/p][/quote]"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...." -------- Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?[/p][/quote]Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one. Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it? Apollo

8:17pm Sat 8 Feb 14

silverdaddy says...

When people say 'Asian' do they mean Chinese, Sri Lankan or possibly Korean?? Are we afraid of the correct classification of Pakistani ???
When people say 'Asian' do they mean Chinese, Sri Lankan or possibly Korean?? Are we afraid of the correct classification of Pakistani ??? silverdaddy

9:02pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together.

Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam.

That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college.

We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.
"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...."

--------

Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?
Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one.

Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?
I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women.

Can you tell us ?
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ?[/p][/quote]It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together. Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam. That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college. We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.[/p][/quote]"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...." -------- Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?[/p][/quote]Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one. Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?[/p][/quote]I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women. Can you tell us ? The Hoffster

9:03pm Sat 8 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

silverdaddy wrote:
When people say 'Asian' do they mean Chinese, Sri Lankan or possibly Korean?? Are we afraid of the correct classification of Pakistani ???
Because the cowardly and vile Islamophobes prefer to use 'Muslim' because apparently you can't be 'done' for that.

How pathetic these scum are.
[quote][p][bold]silverdaddy[/bold] wrote: When people say 'Asian' do they mean Chinese, Sri Lankan or possibly Korean?? Are we afraid of the correct classification of Pakistani ???[/p][/quote]Because the cowardly and vile Islamophobes prefer to use 'Muslim' because apparently you can't be 'done' for that. How pathetic these scum are. The Hoffster

11:37pm Sat 8 Feb 14

peterspan says...

eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
Can you provide one shred of evidence for your fallacies? Where in Islam does it teach that women are second class citizens? Do you really think people are going to read your pathetic comments and take them as fact?

Lets look at women in different religions shall we:

www . youtube.com/watch?v=
52tiLQ7Tewk
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]Can you provide one shred of evidence for your fallacies? Where in Islam does it teach that women are second class citizens? Do you really think people are going to read your pathetic comments and take them as fact? Lets look at women in different religions shall we: www . youtube.com/watch?v= 52tiLQ7Tewk peterspan

11:39pm Sat 8 Feb 14

peterspan says...

eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
Any evidence for your pathetic fallacies?

Lets talk facts shall we and not hateful fallacies... Women's rights in Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism.. here you go:

www . youtube.com/waatch?v
=52tiLQ7Tewk
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]Any evidence for your pathetic fallacies? Lets talk facts shall we and not hateful fallacies... Women's rights in Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism.. here you go: www . youtube.com/waatch?v =52tiLQ7Tewk peterspan

11:42pm Sat 8 Feb 14

mrs walker says...

eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape.


Because, of course, there are no horrific rapes in India....
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote][quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. [/quote] Because, of course, there are no horrific rapes in India.... mrs walker

9:10am Sun 9 Feb 14

hx3bantam says...

Same old boring posters with the same old boring diatribe. Don't you have any lives outside the T&A forums? I think everyone knows everyone elses angle or agenda by now. Try and come up with something original or even interesting if you feel the need to waste you time on here.
Same old boring posters with the same old boring diatribe. Don't you have any lives outside the T&A forums? I think everyone knows everyone elses angle or agenda by now. Try and come up with something original or even interesting if you feel the need to waste you time on here. hx3bantam

10:02am Sun 9 Feb 14

Apollo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together.

Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam.

That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college.

We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.
"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...."

--------

Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?
Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one.

Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?
I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women.

Can you tell us ?
I did not say that and you know it - you are trying to deflect the argument you have already lost by making out I said something I clearly did not.

Nice try but in this case your usual tactics will not work.

Now answer my question about which mosque allows men and women to pray together - that is equally?
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ?[/p][/quote]It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together. Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam. That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college. We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.[/p][/quote]"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...." -------- Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?[/p][/quote]Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one. Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?[/p][/quote]I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women. Can you tell us ?[/p][/quote]I did not say that and you know it - you are trying to deflect the argument you have already lost by making out I said something I clearly did not. Nice try but in this case your usual tactics will not work. Now answer my question about which mosque allows men and women to pray together - that is equally? Apollo

10:23am Sun 9 Feb 14

Albion. says...

http://www.atheistex
ile.com/2011/12/16/i
slam-and-the-subjuga
tion-of-women/

The above might prove of interest to some.
Personally I think the behaviour towards women in the area of the University and indeed anywhere else, is well beyond harmless fun or banter and obviously isn't addressed by adequate penalties. There probably have been instances of such behaviour from some rather pathetic males from a variety of backgrounds. But similar reports going back well over a decade have often indicated the origins of those who were in the main responsible.
http://www.atheistex ile.com/2011/12/16/i slam-and-the-subjuga tion-of-women/ The above might prove of interest to some. Personally I think the behaviour towards women in the area of the University and indeed anywhere else, is well beyond harmless fun or banter and obviously isn't addressed by adequate penalties. There probably have been instances of such behaviour from some rather pathetic males from a variety of backgrounds. But similar reports going back well over a decade have often indicated the origins of those who were in the main responsible. Albion.

11:31am Sun 9 Feb 14

mrs walker says...

Albion. wrote:
http://www.atheistex

ile.com/2011/12/16/i

slam-and-the-subjuga

tion-of-women/

The above might prove of interest to some.
Personally I think the behaviour towards women in the area of the University and indeed anywhere else, is well beyond harmless fun or banter and obviously isn't addressed by adequate penalties. There probably have been instances of such behaviour from some rather pathetic males from a variety of backgrounds. But similar reports going back well over a decade have often indicated the origins of those who were in the main responsible.
And that's the thing, too many men think that, because there was no real intent, that it *is* just 'harmless fun or banter'.

But having borne the brunt of the 'banter' there's not much difference between a van load of white builders shouting 'get your t*** out for the lads' and a car full of Asian boys shouting 'come and suck my c***' (although since companies have started taking harassment claims more seriously, it has to be said that walking past a building site isn't the trial it once was).

Still, neither is acceptable, and all of this behaviour is learned - it's seen as 'being one of the lads' and a mark of masculinity. And, heaven forbid, if you don't you might be labelled 'gay', and that scares you more than anything.

Look to yourselves and your friends, all of you, because that is where the change must lie; set an example, be gentlemen.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: http://www.atheistex ile.com/2011/12/16/i slam-and-the-subjuga tion-of-women/ The above might prove of interest to some. Personally I think the behaviour towards women in the area of the University and indeed anywhere else, is well beyond harmless fun or banter and obviously isn't addressed by adequate penalties. There probably have been instances of such behaviour from some rather pathetic males from a variety of backgrounds. But similar reports going back well over a decade have often indicated the origins of those who were in the main responsible.[/p][/quote]And that's the thing, too many men think that, because there was no real intent, that it *is* just 'harmless fun or banter'. But having borne the brunt of the 'banter' there's not much difference between a van load of white builders shouting 'get your t*** out for the lads' and a car full of Asian boys shouting 'come and suck my c***' (although since companies have started taking harassment claims more seriously, it has to be said that walking past a building site isn't the trial it once was). Still, neither is acceptable, and all of this behaviour is learned - it's seen as 'being one of the lads' and a mark of masculinity. And, heaven forbid, if you don't you might be labelled 'gay', and that scares you more than anything. Look to yourselves and your friends, all of you, because that is where the change must lie; set an example, be gentlemen. mrs walker

11:54am Sun 9 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together.

Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam.

That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college.

We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.
"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...."

--------

Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?
Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one.

Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?
I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women.

Can you tell us ?
I did not say that and you know it - you are trying to deflect the argument you have already lost by making out I said something I clearly did not.

Nice try but in this case your usual tactics will not work.

Now answer my question about which mosque allows men and women to pray together - that is equally?
Men and women pray separately (whether in Mosques or elsewhere). That's part of the Faith.

Now if the women (or men) *wish* to do that, are you going to force them to pray together?

You seem to have more leanings towards a dictatorship rather than a democracy, Apollo.

Very strange (and hypocritical).
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ?[/p][/quote]It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together. Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam. That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college. We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.[/p][/quote]"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...." -------- Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?[/p][/quote]Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one. Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?[/p][/quote]I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women. Can you tell us ?[/p][/quote]I did not say that and you know it - you are trying to deflect the argument you have already lost by making out I said something I clearly did not. Nice try but in this case your usual tactics will not work. Now answer my question about which mosque allows men and women to pray together - that is equally?[/p][/quote]Men and women pray separately (whether in Mosques or elsewhere). That's part of the Faith. Now if the women (or men) *wish* to do that, are you going to force them to pray together? You seem to have more leanings towards a dictatorship rather than a democracy, Apollo. Very strange (and hypocritical). The Hoffster

12:11pm Sun 9 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

We all know who is behind it all, and it should be open to discussion.
What annoys me more than anything, is the T&A state the police hope to cut down on offences! ffs. What sup with total elimination of offences?
We all know who is behind it all, and it should be open to discussion. What annoys me more than anything, is the T&A state the police hope to cut down on offences! ffs. What sup with total elimination of offences? alive and awake

12:35pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Colin Allcars says...

It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better. Colin Allcars

12:41pm Sun 9 Feb 14

The Hoffster says...

Colin Allcars wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances.

Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).
[quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.[/p][/quote]The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances. Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits). The Hoffster

1:17pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Albion. says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Colin Allcars wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances.

Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).
It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.[/p][/quote]The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances. Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).[/p][/quote]It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them. Albion.

2:12pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Apollo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
eccythump wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ?

Where do you get off on this ?
It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it.

Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction?

Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.
You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it?

Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that?

You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.
I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.
And you think what he was taught was correct ?

And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?
Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.
Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas?

Or have you made the whole thing up ?
It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together.

Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam.

That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college.

We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.
"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...."

--------

Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?
Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one.

Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?
I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women.

Can you tell us ?
I did not say that and you know it - you are trying to deflect the argument you have already lost by making out I said something I clearly did not.

Nice try but in this case your usual tactics will not work.

Now answer my question about which mosque allows men and women to pray together - that is equally?
Men and women pray separately (whether in Mosques or elsewhere). That's part of the Faith.

Now if the women (or men) *wish* to do that, are you going to force them to pray together?

You seem to have more leanings towards a dictatorship rather than a democracy, Apollo.

Very strange (and hypocritical).
Ho, ho, ho as if women and girls have any say in the matter. Next you will be telling us they are treated equally.

The only dictatorship is the one within the community that suppresses it's women and allows its young men to grow up to see them as objects. Hence the point of the original story and the police finally after many years acting on it.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Slandering an entire religion and the majority of that Faith who are law-abiding, Apollo ? Where do you get off on this ?[/p][/quote]It would not be slander but libel - if it were not entirely true of course. I am not getting off on it. Gone on for a long time and for too long seen as a victimless crime so not enough action taken. Do you want to bet that all those spoken to about this are of Asian extraction? Get your youth under control community - they are shaming you.[/p][/quote]You may be right about the perpetrators being Asian, but what's *religion* got to do with it? Is it because you think you'll somehow get around the 'racist' bit by saying that? You know, it's kinda funny; the likes of the BNP,EDL, and NF pretty much say the same thing (when referring to non-Whites). They'll use 'Islam' and 'Muslims' to target everyone of a different skin colour (because saying 'P*ki') would most likely get you thrown before the Law Courts.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that it is Sikhs or Hindus doing this. Their religion does not teach them that women are second class citizens, or that those not 'modestly dressed' are fair game for rape. Pour scorn on this statement if you wish, but not long ago a Muslim youth walked free from a court after a serious sexual assault, because he told the judge he had been taught these things at his madrassa.[/p][/quote]And you think what he was taught was correct ? And that you think it's right to smear an entire Faith by what you've heard?[/p][/quote]Do you think that what he was taught was correct? That would be a better question. There are apparently many who do, hence the recent outing of so many Muslim grooming gangs. I am not smearing the religion. Those who teach this backward thinking are besmirching it themselves. These are imams, teachers and elders. So look to yourself. If you do not want people to get the wrong impression, strive to present a better one. rather than bleating about people saying bad things, make them think good things. Stand up against these ignorant, sexist, member of your brethren, not against those of us appalled by it. Teach them, not us.[/p][/quote]Can you provide us evidence where this practice is being taught ? - i.e which Imams involved and in which madrassas? Or have you made the whole thing up ?[/p][/quote]It is taught in every mosque in the country in which men and women are not allowed to worship together. Segregation of the sexes and the treating of women as 2nd class objects is a basic teaching of Islam. That is carried onto the streets by the young men involved in sexual harassment around the university and college. We reap what your 3rd world religion sows.[/p][/quote]"It It is taught in every mosque in the country...." -------- Really ? - and how have you come to know this ?[/p][/quote]Go on then - name one mosque where men and women worship together. Just one, even a little one. Otherwise concede the point - you cannot have it both ways. Either religion has some part of the way these youths (adversely) view women or it has no effect upon their lives - in which case why bother with it?[/p][/quote]I've asked where you've got the info that every Mosque in the land is preaching sexual abuse towards women. Can you tell us ?[/p][/quote]I did not say that and you know it - you are trying to deflect the argument you have already lost by making out I said something I clearly did not. Nice try but in this case your usual tactics will not work. Now answer my question about which mosque allows men and women to pray together - that is equally?[/p][/quote]Men and women pray separately (whether in Mosques or elsewhere). That's part of the Faith. Now if the women (or men) *wish* to do that, are you going to force them to pray together? You seem to have more leanings towards a dictatorship rather than a democracy, Apollo. Very strange (and hypocritical).[/p][/quote]Ho, ho, ho as if women and girls have any say in the matter. Next you will be telling us they are treated equally. The only dictatorship is the one within the community that suppresses it's women and allows its young men to grow up to see them as objects. Hence the point of the original story and the police finally after many years acting on it. Apollo

7:26pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Colin Allcars says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Colin Allcars wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances.

Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).
The City of Bradford does not have any say, or any benefit regarding overseas students coming to Bradford.

Do you not worry about the perception people in other parts of England have about Bradford, hence why English students choose other universities (with higher entrance qualifications)
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.[/p][/quote]The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances. Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).[/p][/quote]The City of Bradford does not have any say, or any benefit regarding overseas students coming to Bradford. Do you not worry about the perception people in other parts of England have about Bradford, hence why English students choose other universities (with higher entrance qualifications) Colin Allcars

8:04pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Cavemen practising a stone age religion. What is strange is that the members of this community tend to try and groom younger, more easily led victims.
Cavemen practising a stone age religion. What is strange is that the members of this community tend to try and groom younger, more easily led victims. Alhaurinrhino

10:35pm Sun 9 Feb 14

gracie field says...

We all know who these people are. I have witnessed this and suffered from them myself and they are the reason many of the kids I know chose to leave Bradford and go to more, shall we say advanced areas in the UK.

You only go to Bradford UNI if for some reason you can't travel elsewhere because everyone has witnessed or known someone who has been a victim of these feral Pakistani uncivilised foul mouthed rats. We all also know they are all Muslim boys who forget about their religion whilst committing their crimes but will cling to it once arrested or imprisoned. Hence why our prisons have so many Muslim meals needed per day.

Not all Muslim or Pakistani boys behave like this but for the most these doing it in Bradford (in the present Walker btw) right now the perpetrators are Pakistani and Muslim men! They are a disgrace to their community and their families ought to hang their heads in shame. I actually have known some of these filthy rats families which is why I can say this in all honesty. They would be disgusted to hear it is their sons doing this but I am sorry it is the parents fault too! You need to reign your common little rabble in and teach them that in this country this isn't the way to behave towards any female.

Any parent who allows their scruffy foul mouthed dirty minded lads out on a night without knowing what they are up to or where they are are actually partly responsible for this disgusting behaviour.

I will tell you something if my son was out on the streets sexually harassing and abusing females I would make sure he couldn't get back in a car at all because I would take a hammer to the bloody thing! But that's just me, i taught my son to protect women not treat them like they are pieces of cheap meat to be done with what they pleased.
We all know who these people are. I have witnessed this and suffered from them myself and they are the reason many of the kids I know chose to leave Bradford and go to more, shall we say advanced areas in the UK. You only go to Bradford UNI if for some reason you can't travel elsewhere because everyone has witnessed or known someone who has been a victim of these feral Pakistani uncivilised foul mouthed rats. We all also know they are all Muslim boys who forget about their religion whilst committing their crimes but will cling to it once arrested or imprisoned. Hence why our prisons have so many Muslim meals needed per day. Not all Muslim or Pakistani boys behave like this but for the most these doing it in Bradford (in the present Walker btw) right now the perpetrators are Pakistani and Muslim men! They are a disgrace to their community and their families ought to hang their heads in shame. I actually have known some of these filthy rats families which is why I can say this in all honesty. They would be disgusted to hear it is their sons doing this but I am sorry it is the parents fault too! You need to reign your common little rabble in and teach them that in this country this isn't the way to behave towards any female. Any parent who allows their scruffy foul mouthed dirty minded lads out on a night without knowing what they are up to or where they are are actually partly responsible for this disgusting behaviour. I will tell you something if my son was out on the streets sexually harassing and abusing females I would make sure he couldn't get back in a car at all because I would take a hammer to the bloody thing! But that's just me, i taught my son to protect women not treat them like they are pieces of cheap meat to be done with what they pleased. gracie field

12:19am Mon 10 Feb 14

Super Hero says...

Albion. wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Colin Allcars wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances.

Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).
It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.
You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?).

They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents.

I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact.

Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land....
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.[/p][/quote]The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances. Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).[/p][/quote]It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.[/p][/quote]You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?). They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents. I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact. Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land.... Super Hero

7:09am Mon 10 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Super Hero wrote:
Albion. wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Colin Allcars wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances.

Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).
It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.
You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?).

They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents.

I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact.

Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land....
I said "often" NOT "always". If your reading skills are an example, it's small wonder that the university is going downhill. Now moderate your disgusting language and DON'T call ME mate!
[quote][p][bold]Super Hero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.[/p][/quote]The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances. Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).[/p][/quote]It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.[/p][/quote]You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?). They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents. I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact. Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land....[/p][/quote]I said "often" NOT "always". If your reading skills are an example, it's small wonder that the university is going downhill. Now moderate your disgusting language and DON'T call ME mate! Albion.

8:54am Mon 10 Feb 14

pakistani says...

First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it.
First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it. pakistani

9:03am Mon 10 Feb 14

pakistani says...

U get bad in everi religion and race but it doesnt mean u can single owt 1 community and label them. Everi time there topic like this muslims r targeted. Some people in bradford meaning asains call them selves muslim but they don't practise the religion they not even muslim
U get bad in everi religion and race but it doesnt mean u can single owt 1 community and label them. Everi time there topic like this muslims r targeted. Some people in bradford meaning asains call them selves muslim but they don't practise the religion they not even muslim pakistani

10:14am Mon 10 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair!
Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair! Sakaka

10:17am Mon 10 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

Bring yourselves to account before you are held to account, and weigh your deeds before they are weighed !
Bring yourselves to account before you are held to account, and weigh your deeds before they are weighed ! Sakaka

11:19am Mon 10 Feb 14

Super Hero says...

Albion. wrote:
Super Hero wrote:
Albion. wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Colin Allcars wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances.

Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).
It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.
You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?).

They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents.

I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact.

Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land....
I said "often" NOT "always". If your reading skills are an example, it's small wonder that the university is going downhill. Now moderate your disgusting language and DON'T call ME mate!
Ok, so what's your point. The point you were trying to make was that there is little or no income from overseas students and you were wrong. My point is that there is plenty of financial benefits to Bradford as a whole and the Uni/college from overseas students.

I'm not one to back up something when it's wrong, but there are people commenting on the t&a that need any excuse to attack Muslims/pakistanis. You can't be hypocritical, if the majority of the things in this country are imported then you shouldn't have a hate for foreign people. There is good and bad in every community - read all about it.

Any one watching Benefit Street tonight?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super Hero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.[/p][/quote]The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances. Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).[/p][/quote]It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.[/p][/quote]You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?). They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents. I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact. Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land....[/p][/quote]I said "often" NOT "always". If your reading skills are an example, it's small wonder that the university is going downhill. Now moderate your disgusting language and DON'T call ME mate![/p][/quote]Ok, so what's your point. The point you were trying to make was that there is little or no income from overseas students and you were wrong. My point is that there is plenty of financial benefits to Bradford as a whole and the Uni/college from overseas students. I'm not one to back up something when it's wrong, but there are people commenting on the t&a that need any excuse to attack Muslims/pakistanis. You can't be hypocritical, if the majority of the things in this country are imported then you shouldn't have a hate for foreign people. There is good and bad in every community - read all about it. Any one watching Benefit Street tonight? Super Hero

11:26am Mon 10 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

pakistani wrote:
First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it.
I've read that twice and still don't understand the post
[quote][p][bold]pakistani[/bold] wrote: First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it.[/p][/quote]I've read that twice and still don't understand the post Andy2010

11:28am Mon 10 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

In other Bradford news today can anyone spot the underlying resemblance in the story today about Bradford's wanted Top 10 drug dealers?
In other Bradford news today can anyone spot the underlying resemblance in the story today about Bradford's wanted Top 10 drug dealers? Andy2010

11:50am Mon 10 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Super Hero wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Super Hero wrote:
Albion. wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Colin Allcars wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city.
I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.
The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances.

Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).
It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.
You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?).

They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents.

I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact.

Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land....
I said "often" NOT "always". If your reading skills are an example, it's small wonder that the university is going downhill. Now moderate your disgusting language and DON'T call ME mate!
Ok, so what's your point. The point you were trying to make was that there is little or no income from overseas students and you were wrong. My point is that there is plenty of financial benefits to Bradford as a whole and the Uni/college from overseas students.

I'm not one to back up something when it's wrong, but there are people commenting on the t&a that need any excuse to attack Muslims/pakistanis. You can't be hypocritical, if the majority of the things in this country are imported then you shouldn't have a hate for foreign people. There is good and bad in every community - read all about it.

Any one watching Benefit Street tonight?
I made no such point whatsoever! read what I wrote, not what you think it MIGHT have meant.
If you object to those who have directly attacked people of a particular faith, then comment on their posts, not mine.
There have been a good many of these reports over quite a few years now and in some of them there were descriptions of the perpetrators (usually groups of Asian males in cars cruising around the surrounding streets of the university campus). While they might not be exclusively to blame, they certainly have seemed to feature prominently over recent years.
I don't see the connection between imported products and imported people (we have stricter controls over products) and no I won't be watching Benefit Street. Nor have I yet done so.
[quote][p][bold]Super Hero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super Hero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Colin Allcars[/bold] wrote: It's hardly surprising that with this long standing behaviour so few English (whether white or not) students now come to Bradford to study. I was up by the Uni last week and everything in the area seems to be aimed at overseas or 'asian' students. Once upon a time there was a thriving social life for Bradford Uni students which contributed to the life of the city, as the ethnicity of the Uni changed so did the life of the city. I wonder where these oafs will cruise next to get their cheap thrills, maybe if the community kept control of these idiots instead of keeping the women in, life for Bradford's female students would be a lot safer and better.[/p][/quote]The reason the City wants more overseas students is purely because of the finances. Students from abroad are willing to pay to get an education in the West (unlike our general White-working class idiots who leave school at 15/16 and prefer to live a life on benefits).[/p][/quote]It isn't quite as straight forward as that, overseas students are often sponsored by governments or businesses because they recognise the superiority of British universities. There is also the question of qualification, at some universities sponsored overseas students can gain a place with three Cs, whereas a British student would be required to have two As and a B, as reported in the Daily Telegraph and others. The majority of students are still "White-working class idiots" as you like to refer to them.[/p][/quote]You talk utter crap, do you know how much it costs for overseas students to attend Uni? They don't get sponsored by business or government (what planet are you from?). They pay 10s of thousands mate, mainly by their parents. I fu****g hate it when someone makes a sh**y point like it's fact. Carry on in your imaginary world mate, you belong on cloud cuckoo land....[/p][/quote]I said "often" NOT "always". If your reading skills are an example, it's small wonder that the university is going downhill. Now moderate your disgusting language and DON'T call ME mate![/p][/quote]Ok, so what's your point. The point you were trying to make was that there is little or no income from overseas students and you were wrong. My point is that there is plenty of financial benefits to Bradford as a whole and the Uni/college from overseas students. I'm not one to back up something when it's wrong, but there are people commenting on the t&a that need any excuse to attack Muslims/pakistanis. You can't be hypocritical, if the majority of the things in this country are imported then you shouldn't have a hate for foreign people. There is good and bad in every community - read all about it. Any one watching Benefit Street tonight?[/p][/quote]I made no such point whatsoever! read what I wrote, not what you think it MIGHT have meant. If you object to those who have directly attacked people of a particular faith, then comment on their posts, not mine. There have been a good many of these reports over quite a few years now and in some of them there were descriptions of the perpetrators (usually groups of Asian males in cars cruising around the surrounding streets of the university campus). While they might not be exclusively to blame, they certainly have seemed to feature prominently over recent years. I don't see the connection between imported products and imported people (we have stricter controls over products) and no I won't be watching Benefit Street. Nor have I yet done so. Albion.

1:03pm Mon 10 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

pakistani wrote:
First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it.
How about in Pakistan? I wonder why with that moniker you talk about what happens in Saudi Arabia but not your own country of origin?
[quote][p][bold]pakistani[/bold] wrote: First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it.[/p][/quote]How about in Pakistan? I wonder why with that moniker you talk about what happens in Saudi Arabia but not your own country of origin? SinnerSaint

1:08pm Mon 10 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

Andy2010 wrote:
In other Bradford news today can anyone spot the underlying resemblance in the story today about Bradford's wanted Top 10 drug dealers?
Very religious family men who act as carer for their elderly mother/father or disabled brother/sister who only got into dealing to pay off a drug debt?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: In other Bradford news today can anyone spot the underlying resemblance in the story today about Bradford's wanted Top 10 drug dealers?[/p][/quote]Very religious family men who act as carer for their elderly mother/father or disabled brother/sister who only got into dealing to pay off a drug debt? SinnerSaint

1:37pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Apollo says...

pakistani wrote:
First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it.
illiterate fool.
[quote][p][bold]pakistani[/bold] wrote: First of all people shuldnt slander the religion islam when they dnt kno wot they talkiing bout learn the religion dnt listen ta he/she say. In islam women r equal were does it say it not the women is a queen in our religion people r. Some people have oldttraditional were women r treated bad but that isnt religion. Talkiing bout men and women not reading together ill tell ya some were they do saudi arabia hajj 1 of biggest gatthering in world wome and men read same place many place in uk men women read same plc.women wears viel ask her if she gets abus abused and people wanna band it.[/p][/quote]illiterate fool. Apollo

4:29pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Sakaka wrote:
Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair!
It's fair to make a judgement that anyone who ascribes to an imaginary being as their deity, way of life or ultimate interest as a fool. That is ANYONE, from any walk of life.

Anyway, time for me to saddle up my unicorn, I have a date with a fairy tonight and we will be using the pot o' gold I stole from a leprachaun.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair![/p][/quote]It's fair to make a judgement that anyone who ascribes to an imaginary being as their deity, way of life or ultimate interest as a fool. That is ANYONE, from any walk of life. Anyway, time for me to saddle up my unicorn, I have a date with a fairy tonight and we will be using the pot o' gold I stole from a leprachaun. Prisoner Cell Block A

5:28pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Smell the coffee says...

You see all the time around the student areas. Gangs stood at the side of the road or driving past in their Datsuns, chanting, whistling and frothing at the mouth at the sight of a young female. Similar to silver back mountain gorillas mating call. Primitive. What next quest for fire.
You see all the time around the student areas. Gangs stood at the side of the road or driving past in their Datsuns, chanting, whistling and frothing at the mouth at the sight of a young female. Similar to silver back mountain gorillas mating call. Primitive. What next quest for fire. Smell the coffee

1:56am Tue 11 Feb 14

mrs walker says...

gracie field wrote:
We all know who these people are. I have witnessed this and suffered from them myself and they are the reason many of the kids I know chose to leave Bradford and go to more, shall we say advanced areas in the UK.

You only go to Bradford UNI if for some reason you can't travel elsewhere because everyone has witnessed or known someone who has been a victim of these feral Pakistani uncivilised foul mouthed rats. We all also know they are all Muslim boys who forget about their religion whilst committing their crimes but will cling to it once arrested or imprisoned. Hence why our prisons have so many Muslim meals needed per day.

Not all Muslim or Pakistani boys behave like this but for the most these doing it in Bradford (in the present Walker btw) right now the perpetrators are Pakistani and Muslim men! They are a disgrace to their community and their families ought to hang their heads in shame. I actually have known some of these filthy rats families which is why I can say this in all honesty. They would be disgusted to hear it is their sons doing this but I am sorry it is the parents fault too! You need to reign your common little rabble in and teach them that in this country this isn't the way to behave towards any female.

Any parent who allows their scruffy foul mouthed dirty minded lads out on a night without knowing what they are up to or where they are are actually partly responsible for this disgusting behaviour.

I will tell you something if my son was out on the streets sexually harassing and abusing females I would make sure he couldn't get back in a car at all because I would take a hammer to the bloody thing! But that's just me, i taught my son to protect women not treat them like they are pieces of cheap meat to be done with what they pleased.
Since you can't even respond to another woman politely, (it's 'Mrs' Walker, Gracie dear) I'm not wholly convinced that you're teaching your son any manners at all.
[quote][p][bold]gracie field[/bold] wrote: We all know who these people are. I have witnessed this and suffered from them myself and they are the reason many of the kids I know chose to leave Bradford and go to more, shall we say advanced areas in the UK. You only go to Bradford UNI if for some reason you can't travel elsewhere because everyone has witnessed or known someone who has been a victim of these feral Pakistani uncivilised foul mouthed rats. We all also know they are all Muslim boys who forget about their religion whilst committing their crimes but will cling to it once arrested or imprisoned. Hence why our prisons have so many Muslim meals needed per day. Not all Muslim or Pakistani boys behave like this but for the most these doing it in Bradford (in the present Walker btw) right now the perpetrators are Pakistani and Muslim men! They are a disgrace to their community and their families ought to hang their heads in shame. I actually have known some of these filthy rats families which is why I can say this in all honesty. They would be disgusted to hear it is their sons doing this but I am sorry it is the parents fault too! You need to reign your common little rabble in and teach them that in this country this isn't the way to behave towards any female. Any parent who allows their scruffy foul mouthed dirty minded lads out on a night without knowing what they are up to or where they are are actually partly responsible for this disgusting behaviour. I will tell you something if my son was out on the streets sexually harassing and abusing females I would make sure he couldn't get back in a car at all because I would take a hammer to the bloody thing! But that's just me, i taught my son to protect women not treat them like they are pieces of cheap meat to be done with what they pleased.[/p][/quote]Since you can't even respond to another woman politely, (it's 'Mrs' Walker, Gracie dear) I'm not wholly convinced that you're teaching your son any manners at all. mrs walker

1:58am Tue 11 Feb 14

mrs walker says...

They are a disgrace to their community and their families ought to hang their heads in shame. I actually have known some of these filthy rats families which is why I can say this in all honesty. They would be disgusted to hear it is their sons doing this


I am perplexed - if you knew them, why didn't you tell them?
[quote] They are a disgrace to their community and their families ought to hang their heads in shame. I actually have known some of these filthy rats families which is why I can say this in all honesty. They would be disgusted to hear it is their sons doing this [/quote] I am perplexed - if you knew them, why didn't you tell them? mrs walker

10:20am Tue 11 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
@Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created? Sakaka

11:16am Tue 11 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
Another gullible brainwashed idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]Another gullible brainwashed idiot. Albion.

2:46pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
It is.

Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator.

Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is
science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime.

The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only.

To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]It is. Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator. Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime. The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only. To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals. Prisoner Cell Block A

8:01pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Colin Allcars says...

Andy2010 wrote:
In other Bradford news today can anyone spot the underlying resemblance in the story today about Bradford's wanted Top 10 drug dealers?
Are they 'good lads who's family are well respected in 'the community'?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: In other Bradford news today can anyone spot the underlying resemblance in the story today about Bradford's wanted Top 10 drug dealers?[/p][/quote]Are they 'good lads who's family are well respected in 'the community'? Colin Allcars

9:23pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Whiteshite says...

And yet Princess Diana still wanted to marry an ASIAN.....
And yet Princess Diana still wanted to marry an ASIAN..... Whiteshite

9:46pm Tue 11 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

Whiteshite wrote:
And yet Princess Diana still wanted to marry an ASIAN.....
Weren't you called whitep1ss before?

Named yourself after the things you eat and drink - very imaginative!
[quote][p][bold]Whiteshite[/bold] wrote: And yet Princess Diana still wanted to marry an ASIAN.....[/p][/quote]Weren't you called whitep1ss before? Named yourself after the things you eat and drink - very imaginative! SinnerSaint

5:24am Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
It is.

Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator.

Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is
science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime.

The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only.

To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.
@Prisoner Cell Block A

You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc.

Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance"

All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]It is. Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator. Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime. The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only. To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.[/p][/quote]@Prisoner Cell Block A You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc. Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance" All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself. Sakaka

7:22am Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

Albion. wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
Another gullible brainwashed idiot.
That can't possibly be the best response you have. Only intellectual responses please, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]Another gullible brainwashed idiot.[/p][/quote]That can't possibly be the best response you have. Only intellectual responses please, thank you. Sakaka

9:03am Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

@Albion

Reading your post made me remember a statement one of my primary school teachers used to say to some of the other kids was:

"There's no need for name calling".
@Albion Reading your post made me remember a statement one of my primary school teachers used to say to some of the other kids was: "There's no need for name calling". Sakaka

10:26am Wed 12 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Sakaka wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
Another gullible brainwashed idiot.
That can't possibly be the best response you have. Only intellectual responses please, thank you.
It isn't up to you to dictate what my response should be! At least my thoughts are my own and not quotes from some pile of nonsense.
For the record I don't subscribe to or believe in ANY religious structure.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]Another gullible brainwashed idiot.[/p][/quote]That can't possibly be the best response you have. Only intellectual responses please, thank you.[/p][/quote]It isn't up to you to dictate what my response should be! At least my thoughts are my own and not quotes from some pile of nonsense. For the record I don't subscribe to or believe in ANY religious structure. Albion.

10:29am Wed 12 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Sakaka wrote:
@Albion

Reading your post made me remember a statement one of my primary school teachers used to say to some of the other kids was:

"There's no need for name calling".
Reading yours reminded me of intolerance and suppression! That wasn't name calling, it was an appraisal.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Albion Reading your post made me remember a statement one of my primary school teachers used to say to some of the other kids was: "There's no need for name calling".[/p][/quote]Reading yours reminded me of intolerance and suppression! That wasn't name calling, it was an appraisal. Albion.

10:34am Wed 12 Feb 14

Coolibabe says...

My nephew was glassed on the head last weekend for protecting his sister against been sexually harrassed by 7 young lads, he was alone with the two girls so didnt stand a chance. Another friend was beaten protecting his sister from a group of young lads (don't know if they are the same group but both happened in Bradford town. If anyone sees anything like this please record it on your phones and name and shame the perverted cowards.
My nephew was glassed on the head last weekend for protecting his sister against been sexually harrassed by 7 young lads, he was alone with the two girls so didnt stand a chance. Another friend was beaten protecting his sister from a group of young lads (don't know if they are the same group but both happened in Bradford town. If anyone sees anything like this please record it on your phones and name and shame the perverted cowards. Coolibabe

10:47am Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

@Albion

I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.
@Albion I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in. Sakaka

10:49am Wed 12 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Sakaka wrote:
@Albion

I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.
Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Albion I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.[/p][/quote]Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief. Albion.

10:54am Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

Albion. wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Albion

I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.
Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief.
That's incorrect. Atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Albion I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.[/p][/quote]Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief.[/p][/quote]That's incorrect. Atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist. Sakaka

11:19am Wed 12 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Sakaka wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Albion

I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.
Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief.
That's incorrect. Atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist.
I'm not here to debate such matters with you but for example, if you ask an atheist what he believes in, he is likely to answer with "well first of all I don't believe in god" or "I don't believe in anything" which all sounds more of a none belief than a belief. Actually I have beliefs, they don't include gods, angels or prophets, neither do they include forcing my beliefs on children or by using threats or terrorism on adults.
In fact, I'm not truly sure that I believe in religious freedom as it currently exists, people should indeed be able to follow what they wish when they reach adulthood, if they have need for such a crutch to lean on. It seems that many only declare their beliefs as and when it suits them, we have many hypocrites across the many religious structures.
Have a very nice day.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Albion I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.[/p][/quote]Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief.[/p][/quote]That's incorrect. Atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist.[/p][/quote]I'm not here to debate such matters with you but for example, if you ask an atheist what he believes in, he is likely to answer with "well first of all I don't believe in god" or "I don't believe in anything" which all sounds more of a none belief than a belief. Actually I have beliefs, they don't include gods, angels or prophets, neither do they include forcing my beliefs on children or by using threats or terrorism on adults. In fact, I'm not truly sure that I believe in religious freedom as it currently exists, people should indeed be able to follow what they wish when they reach adulthood, if they have need for such a crutch to lean on. It seems that many only declare their beliefs as and when it suits them, we have many hypocrites across the many religious structures. Have a very nice day. Albion.

11:28am Wed 12 Feb 14

eccythump says...

Sakaka wrote:
Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair!
Because Islam is just and fair right? Nowhere around the world are Muslims persecuting and slaughtering other religious groups, at all, right ?
Nowhere are Muslim women being whipped, because they were raped? Nowhere are they routinely killed or burned with acid, because of so called 'honour' ? Even in the countries where they are merely banned from driving, or getting an education equal to a that of a man, you cannot call that just, or fair ! As for them being treated like Queens (Pakistani). Well if you mean a breeding cat, which is called a Queen, that's about the nearest approximation of the term that applies.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair![/p][/quote]Because Islam is just and fair right? Nowhere around the world are Muslims persecuting and slaughtering other religious groups, at all, right ? Nowhere are Muslim women being whipped, because they were raped? Nowhere are they routinely killed or burned with acid, because of so called 'honour' ? Even in the countries where they are merely banned from driving, or getting an education equal to a that of a man, you cannot call that just, or fair ! As for them being treated like Queens (Pakistani). Well if you mean a breeding cat, which is called a Queen, that's about the nearest approximation of the term that applies. eccythump

11:56am Wed 12 Feb 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Sakaka wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
It is.

Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator.

Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is
science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime.

The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only.

To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.
@Prisoner Cell Block A

You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc.

Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance"

All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself.
And I am totally. true to myself and it isn't beliefs it is facts with evidence. The tangible, hard cold facts.

Sky fairies do not exist, never have, never will. May they strike me down if they do.

I do not understand your mobile phone reference, of course it didn't come about by chance, it came about by someone with knowledge applying known facts to other known facts, using silica to conduct minute electrical impulses, receiving messages via airwaves that are transmitted by similar units.

Not a bloke stood on a mountain with 10 stone tablets, a basic analogy for thick, brainwashed idiots to give the message don't kill each other or nick stuff you horrible peoiple.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]It is. Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator. Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime. The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only. To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.[/p][/quote]@Prisoner Cell Block A You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc. Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance" All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself.[/p][/quote]And I am totally. true to myself and it isn't beliefs it is facts with evidence. The tangible, hard cold facts. Sky fairies do not exist, never have, never will. May they strike me down if they do. I do not understand your mobile phone reference, of course it didn't come about by chance, it came about by someone with knowledge applying known facts to other known facts, using silica to conduct minute electrical impulses, receiving messages via airwaves that are transmitted by similar units. Not a bloke stood on a mountain with 10 stone tablets, a basic analogy for thick, brainwashed idiots to give the message don't kill each other or nick stuff you horrible peoiple. Prisoner Cell Block A

12:12pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

eccythump wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair!
Because Islam is just and fair right? Nowhere around the world are Muslims persecuting and slaughtering other religious groups, at all, right ?
Nowhere are Muslim women being whipped, because they were raped? Nowhere are they routinely killed or burned with acid, because of so called 'honour' ? Even in the countries where they are merely banned from driving, or getting an education equal to a that of a man, you cannot call that just, or fair ! As for them being treated like Queens (Pakistani). Well if you mean a breeding cat, which is called a Queen, that's about the nearest approximation of the term that applies.
This is a classic example of someone judging the religion by the actions of those who ascribe themselves to it and not by the sources.
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair![/p][/quote]Because Islam is just and fair right? Nowhere around the world are Muslims persecuting and slaughtering other religious groups, at all, right ? Nowhere are Muslim women being whipped, because they were raped? Nowhere are they routinely killed or burned with acid, because of so called 'honour' ? Even in the countries where they are merely banned from driving, or getting an education equal to a that of a man, you cannot call that just, or fair ! As for them being treated like Queens (Pakistani). Well if you mean a breeding cat, which is called a Queen, that's about the nearest approximation of the term that applies.[/p][/quote]This is a classic example of someone judging the religion by the actions of those who ascribe themselves to it and not by the sources. Sakaka

12:14pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
It is.

Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator.

Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is
science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime.

The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only.

To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.
@Prisoner Cell Block A

You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc.

Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance"

All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself.
And I am totally. true to myself and it isn't beliefs it is facts with evidence. The tangible, hard cold facts.

Sky fairies do not exist, never have, never will. May they strike me down if they do.

I do not understand your mobile phone reference, of course it didn't come about by chance, it came about by someone with knowledge applying known facts to other known facts, using silica to conduct minute electrical impulses, receiving messages via airwaves that are transmitted by similar units.

Not a bloke stood on a mountain with 10 stone tablets, a basic analogy for thick, brainwashed idiots to give the message don't kill each other or nick stuff you horrible peoiple.
So you're basically saying it didn't come about by chance, someone must have put it together. Well, likewise this creation.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]It is. Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator. Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime. The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only. To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.[/p][/quote]@Prisoner Cell Block A You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc. Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance" All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself.[/p][/quote]And I am totally. true to myself and it isn't beliefs it is facts with evidence. The tangible, hard cold facts. Sky fairies do not exist, never have, never will. May they strike me down if they do. I do not understand your mobile phone reference, of course it didn't come about by chance, it came about by someone with knowledge applying known facts to other known facts, using silica to conduct minute electrical impulses, receiving messages via airwaves that are transmitted by similar units. Not a bloke stood on a mountain with 10 stone tablets, a basic analogy for thick, brainwashed idiots to give the message don't kill each other or nick stuff you horrible peoiple.[/p][/quote]So you're basically saying it didn't come about by chance, someone must have put it together. Well, likewise this creation. Sakaka

12:20pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

Albion. wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Albion

I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.
Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief.
That's incorrect. Atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist.
I'm not here to debate such matters with you but for example, if you ask an atheist what he believes in, he is likely to answer with "well first of all I don't believe in god" or "I don't believe in anything" which all sounds more of a none belief than a belief. Actually I have beliefs, they don't include gods, angels or prophets, neither do they include forcing my beliefs on children or by using threats or terrorism on adults.
In fact, I'm not truly sure that I believe in religious freedom as it currently exists, people should indeed be able to follow what they wish when they reach adulthood, if they have need for such a crutch to lean on. It seems that many only declare their beliefs as and when it suits them, we have many hypocrites across the many religious structures.
Have a very nice day.
I too believe that people shouldn't be forced to believe anything, nor do I condone acts of terrorism. I agree with you on the point you mention when you say some people only declare their beliefs when it suits them and every religion has its hypocrites. On these points we don't disagree.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Albion I'm not quoting from anywhere. You ascribe yourself to atheism and that is what you believe in.[/p][/quote]Atheism isn't a belief, it's a none belief.[/p][/quote]That's incorrect. Atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist.[/p][/quote]I'm not here to debate such matters with you but for example, if you ask an atheist what he believes in, he is likely to answer with "well first of all I don't believe in god" or "I don't believe in anything" which all sounds more of a none belief than a belief. Actually I have beliefs, they don't include gods, angels or prophets, neither do they include forcing my beliefs on children or by using threats or terrorism on adults. In fact, I'm not truly sure that I believe in religious freedom as it currently exists, people should indeed be able to follow what they wish when they reach adulthood, if they have need for such a crutch to lean on. It seems that many only declare their beliefs as and when it suits them, we have many hypocrites across the many religious structures. Have a very nice day.[/p][/quote]I too believe that people shouldn't be forced to believe anything, nor do I condone acts of terrorism. I agree with you on the point you mention when you say some people only declare their beliefs when it suits them and every religion has its hypocrites. On these points we don't disagree. Sakaka

12:28pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Sakaka says...

I'm not saying that Muslims are always perfect or free from error. No human is. All I'm saying is be fair and just. Don't judge the religion based upon the actions of those who merely ascribe themselves to it.
I'm not saying that Muslims are always perfect or free from error. No human is. All I'm saying is be fair and just. Don't judge the religion based upon the actions of those who merely ascribe themselves to it. Sakaka

2:00pm Thu 13 Feb 14

eccythump says...

Sakaka wrote:
eccythump wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair!
Because Islam is just and fair right? Nowhere around the world are Muslims persecuting and slaughtering other religious groups, at all, right ?
Nowhere are Muslim women being whipped, because they were raped? Nowhere are they routinely killed or burned with acid, because of so called 'honour' ? Even in the countries where they are merely banned from driving, or getting an education equal to a that of a man, you cannot call that just, or fair ! As for them being treated like Queens (Pakistani). Well if you mean a breeding cat, which is called a Queen, that's about the nearest approximation of the term that applies.
This is a classic example of someone judging the religion by the actions of those who ascribe themselves to it and not by the sources.
If you do not judge a group by the collective actions of its members, then how do you judge it ?
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: Is it fair or from justice to make a judgement upon a religion based upon those who merely ascribe themselves to it? Make a judgement upon a religion based upon its sources. Be just and be fair![/p][/quote]Because Islam is just and fair right? Nowhere around the world are Muslims persecuting and slaughtering other religious groups, at all, right ? Nowhere are Muslim women being whipped, because they were raped? Nowhere are they routinely killed or burned with acid, because of so called 'honour' ? Even in the countries where they are merely banned from driving, or getting an education equal to a that of a man, you cannot call that just, or fair ! As for them being treated like Queens (Pakistani). Well if you mean a breeding cat, which is called a Queen, that's about the nearest approximation of the term that applies.[/p][/quote]This is a classic example of someone judging the religion by the actions of those who ascribe themselves to it and not by the sources.[/p][/quote]If you do not judge a group by the collective actions of its members, then how do you judge it ? eccythump

4:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Sakaka wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Sakaka wrote:
@Prisoner Cell Block A:
You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?
It is.

Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator.

Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is
science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime.

The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only.

To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.
@Prisoner Cell Block A

You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc.

Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance"

All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself.
And I am totally. true to myself and it isn't beliefs it is facts with evidence. The tangible, hard cold facts.

Sky fairies do not exist, never have, never will. May they strike me down if they do.

I do not understand your mobile phone reference, of course it didn't come about by chance, it came about by someone with knowledge applying known facts to other known facts, using silica to conduct minute electrical impulses, receiving messages via airwaves that are transmitted by similar units.

Not a bloke stood on a mountain with 10 stone tablets, a basic analogy for thick, brainwashed idiots to give the message don't kill each other or nick stuff you horrible peoiple.
So you're basically saying it didn't come about by chance, someone must have put it together. Well, likewise this creation.
It came about by a bunch of chemicals in a bag, man, using chemical impulses and reactions in an organ, his brain, to piece together the information available to make this unit work by moulding and melding chemicals together to produce the goods necessary.

If God exists who put him together, what was there before him, why does he exist? A pointless being if there was nothing before, and nothing existential to bestow his greatness upon.

Facts is facts, science is proven all belief systems are unproven just ideas, mainly used to control dumb masses.
[quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sakaka[/bold] wrote: @Prisoner Cell Block A: You are correct if these so called people take something imaginary as a deity, but what if it's not? Look around you. The creation around you is enough proof that there must be a creator. If I showed you a mobile and said to you I believe that this mobile has come about by chance, you wouldn't accept this, rather you would ridicule me. So, look at how much more complicated the whole of creation is, the intrinsic details and how everything comes together. Would you accept that this came about by chance? Did you create yourself or were you created?[/p][/quote]It is. Intelligent design is hogwash. Deity's are for brainwashed fools, there is no such thing as an ultimate creator. Bring me the proof of this, all you have proved is science and fact based evidence will trump belief everytime. The complication of creation, be it a tree, a human or a grain of sand is by the laws of nature and chemical reaction only. To answer your final point, spermatazoa, a combination of chemicals combining with the female equivalent bag of chemicals.[/p][/quote]@Prisoner Cell Block A You don't need to have seen the person walking in the sand to know they existed when they leave behind foot prints. You can kid yourself if you so wish and keep telling yourself what you want to justify your own beliefs etc. Your response indicates that you would accept the statement of the one who when shown a mobile phone believes and says "this mobile came about by chance" All I'm asking is that you at least be honest, true and sincere to yourself.[/p][/quote]And I am totally. true to myself and it isn't beliefs it is facts with evidence. The tangible, hard cold facts. Sky fairies do not exist, never have, never will. May they strike me down if they do. I do not understand your mobile phone reference, of course it didn't come about by chance, it came about by someone with knowledge applying known facts to other known facts, using silica to conduct minute electrical impulses, receiving messages via airwaves that are transmitted by similar units. Not a bloke stood on a mountain with 10 stone tablets, a basic analogy for thick, brainwashed idiots to give the message don't kill each other or nick stuff you horrible peoiple.[/p][/quote]So you're basically saying it didn't come about by chance, someone must have put it together. Well, likewise this creation.[/p][/quote]It came about by a bunch of chemicals in a bag, man, using chemical impulses and reactions in an organ, his brain, to piece together the information available to make this unit work by moulding and melding chemicals together to produce the goods necessary. If God exists who put him together, what was there before him, why does he exist? A pointless being if there was nothing before, and nothing existential to bestow his greatness upon. Facts is facts, science is proven all belief systems are unproven just ideas, mainly used to control dumb masses. Prisoner Cell Block A

8:48am Fri 14 Feb 14

Apollo says...

Hmmmm..... this debate has wandered a long way off the topic of Asians harassing women around the Uni and College areas of Bradford and the belated Police response to it.

When are we going to see some results from the Police? A few naming and shamings would soon put a stop to it.
Hmmmm..... this debate has wandered a long way off the topic of Asians harassing women around the Uni and College areas of Bradford and the belated Police response to it. When are we going to see some results from the Police? A few naming and shamings would soon put a stop to it. Apollo

11:23am Fri 14 Feb 14

johnathanmcbride says...

Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Your naivety amuses me, while you blame this on Islam, you fail to see the bigger picture in that thick skull of yours which shows what kind of inbred you are. If you youtube 'Tupac' on the net and watch/listen to his music you will see and even hear why Bradford youth AND the youth of today act the way they do seeing as they idolize him so much as well as the rap scene. While you may blame mosques or whatever get some firm facts that they preach what you say they do instead of preaching your own far-right **** by picking a mosque or two thats hidden in a ghetto somewhere in Bradford. If you think music has no major impact, look at the country and slap yourself, the knife crime/gun crime/ drug crime is all a 'gangster' culture in bradford, while it's a 'gang' culture in london and other parts of the country which are openly boasted about in rap videos by white/black/asian. MOST of the youth are doing this in UK, its seen as a GOOD/COOL thing to drug deal/shoot people/be sexually explicit/have sex as much times as possible, this is where the countries going at, so stop mixing a particular race you dont like with a culture that has nothing to do with it you spaz and keep your far right **** to yourself, clearly you show that racism was spouted by bullshitters like you who then cry behind a corner all red saying ''How as that racist?''. e.g. Tommy Robinson (tommy vs akala best video watch it).
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Your naivety amuses me, while you blame this on Islam, you fail to see the bigger picture in that thick skull of yours which shows what kind of inbred you are. If you youtube 'Tupac' on the net and watch/listen to his music you will see and even hear why Bradford youth AND the youth of today act the way they do seeing as they idolize him so much as well as the rap scene. While you may blame mosques or whatever get some firm facts that they preach what you say they do instead of preaching your own far-right **** by picking a mosque or two thats hidden in a ghetto somewhere in Bradford. If you think music has no major impact, look at the country and slap yourself, the knife crime/gun crime/ drug crime is all a 'gangster' culture in bradford, while it's a 'gang' culture in london and other parts of the country which are openly boasted about in rap videos by white/black/asian. MOST of the youth are doing this in UK, its seen as a GOOD/COOL thing to drug deal/shoot people/be sexually explicit/have sex as much times as possible, this is where the countries going at, so stop mixing a particular race you dont like with a culture that has nothing to do with it you spaz and keep your far right **** to yourself, clearly you show that racism was spouted by bullshitters like you who then cry behind a corner all red saying ''How as that racist?''. e.g. Tommy Robinson (tommy vs akala best video watch it). johnathanmcbride

8:01pm Fri 14 Feb 14

silverbantam says...

I wish people would stop referring to these yobs as 'Asian' youth. These people are Muslims. It is offensive to people if other religions.
I wish people would stop referring to these yobs as 'Asian' youth. These people are Muslims. It is offensive to people if other religions. silverbantam

8:05pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Apollo says...

johnathanmcbride wrote:
Apollo wrote:
And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community.

It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.
Your naivety amuses me, while you blame this on Islam, you fail to see the bigger picture in that thick skull of yours which shows what kind of inbred you are. If you youtube 'Tupac' on the net and watch/listen to his music you will see and even hear why Bradford youth AND the youth of today act the way they do seeing as they idolize him so much as well as the rap scene. While you may blame mosques or whatever get some firm facts that they preach what you say they do instead of preaching your own far-right **** by picking a mosque or two thats hidden in a ghetto somewhere in Bradford. If you think music has no major impact, look at the country and slap yourself, the knife crime/gun crime/ drug crime is all a 'gangster' culture in bradford, while it's a 'gang' culture in london and other parts of the country which are openly boasted about in rap videos by white/black/asian. MOST of the youth are doing this in UK, its seen as a GOOD/COOL thing to drug deal/shoot people/be sexually explicit/have sex as much times as possible, this is where the countries going at, so stop mixing a particular race you dont like with a culture that has nothing to do with it you spaz and keep your far right **** to yourself, clearly you show that racism was spouted by bullshitters like you who then cry behind a corner all red saying ''How as that racist?''. e.g. Tommy Robinson (tommy vs akala best video watch it).
I am sure there must be point in your rant somewhere but it is so well hidden behind your generally illiteracy that I fail to see it.

Something about this behaviour being acceptable based on rap music and gang culture?

Religion seems to play no part in it and I am a member of a far right group and a racist?

Is that it, is that all you have? Name calling? Grow up sunshine and learn how to construct an argument or refute one.
[quote][p][bold]johnathanmcbride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: And not before time. Police need to pull over any car whose occupants (usually good boys on way to mosque) and get a few of them on the Sex Offenders Register and see how they then like the shame brought upon themselves, their parent and their community. It would stop it in a heartbeat just like the sentencing following the riots did.[/p][/quote]Your naivety amuses me, while you blame this on Islam, you fail to see the bigger picture in that thick skull of yours which shows what kind of inbred you are. If you youtube 'Tupac' on the net and watch/listen to his music you will see and even hear why Bradford youth AND the youth of today act the way they do seeing as they idolize him so much as well as the rap scene. While you may blame mosques or whatever get some firm facts that they preach what you say they do instead of preaching your own far-right **** by picking a mosque or two thats hidden in a ghetto somewhere in Bradford. If you think music has no major impact, look at the country and slap yourself, the knife crime/gun crime/ drug crime is all a 'gangster' culture in bradford, while it's a 'gang' culture in london and other parts of the country which are openly boasted about in rap videos by white/black/asian. MOST of the youth are doing this in UK, its seen as a GOOD/COOL thing to drug deal/shoot people/be sexually explicit/have sex as much times as possible, this is where the countries going at, so stop mixing a particular race you dont like with a culture that has nothing to do with it you spaz and keep your far right **** to yourself, clearly you show that racism was spouted by bullshitters like you who then cry behind a corner all red saying ''How as that racist?''. e.g. Tommy Robinson (tommy vs akala best video watch it).[/p][/quote]I am sure there must be point in your rant somewhere but it is so well hidden behind your generally illiteracy that I fail to see it. Something about this behaviour being acceptable based on rap music and gang culture? Religion seems to play no part in it and I am a member of a far right group and a racist? Is that it, is that all you have? Name calling? Grow up sunshine and learn how to construct an argument or refute one. Apollo

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