Bradford Council wrong not to back HS2 says Minister on visit to Pudsey station

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Secretary of State Patrick McLoughlin MP visits Pudsey to see the station with MP Stuart Andrew Secretary of State Patrick McLoughlin MP visits Pudsey to see the station with MP Stuart Andrew

Bradford Council is “wrong” in not supporting “vitally important” high-speed rail scheme HS2, according to Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin.

He said there were clear local benefits to the £46 billion project, during a visit to the area today.

Last week, it emerged that Bradford Council had refused to back HS2 in an official consultation, with Council leader Councillor David Green saying the authority had seen no conclusive proof that it would benefit the Bradford district.

But Mr McLoughlin, a Conservative minister in the coalition Government, said: “I think they are wrong in that.”

He said the Government was investing £38.5bn in the existing rail network between 2014 and 2019, but the capacity needed to be widened to cope with increasing passenger numbers and freight demand.

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3:35pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Strangely, I agree with Green.
Strangely, I agree with Green. Albion.
  • Score: 14

3:35pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

I'm sure they will be worried what Green and his shambles of a Council think?
How are the street lighting repairs coming on?
I'm sure they will be worried what Green and his shambles of a Council think? How are the street lighting repairs coming on? alive and awake
  • Score: -8

4:09pm Mon 3 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme.
David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme. bcfc1903
  • Score: 17

4:13pm Mon 3 Feb 14

MontyLeMar says...

I think Patrick McLoughlin is wrong preferring to spend £50 billion on a grandiose rail project to get people down to London faster, when locally, we are in dire need of getting our own transport infrastructure sorted out so people can get to work quicker. A determined effort to get the Aire Valley road link sorted would be a good start and electrification between Hull and Liverpool to link all the major cities across the Pennines would also be good. Also getting rid of those cattle trucks they call commuter trains leaving and entering Leeds would be good.
I think Patrick McLoughlin is wrong preferring to spend £50 billion on a grandiose rail project to get people down to London faster, when locally, we are in dire need of getting our own transport infrastructure sorted out so people can get to work quicker. A determined effort to get the Aire Valley road link sorted would be a good start and electrification between Hull and Liverpool to link all the major cities across the Pennines would also be good. Also getting rid of those cattle trucks they call commuter trains leaving and entering Leeds would be good. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 10

4:23pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

One thing I just don't understand is the benefit. Its only 2 hr 45 to Kings Cross now anyway so how will this be a vast improvement if can be done in 2 hrs 15 mins?
One thing I just don't understand is the benefit. Its only 2 hr 45 to Kings Cross now anyway so how will this be a vast improvement if can be done in 2 hrs 15 mins? Andy2010
  • Score: 9

5:38pm Mon 3 Feb 14

mad matt says...

OK, so you catch a train from Interchange, or Forster Square into Leeds, then according to the plans for HS2, you have to WALK to the bottom or Meadow Lane to catch the HS2 - how STUPID is that?
OK, so you catch a train from Interchange, or Forster Square into Leeds, then according to the plans for HS2, you have to WALK to the bottom or Meadow Lane to catch the HS2 - how STUPID is that? mad matt
  • Score: 8

6:01pm Mon 3 Feb 14

awasteoftime says...

This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget
This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget awasteoftime
  • Score: 5

6:09pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion. says...

awasteoftime wrote:
This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget
Really? And I thought it was started by Labour in 2009.
[quote][p][bold]awasteoftime[/bold] wrote: This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget[/p][/quote]Really? And I thought it was started by Labour in 2009. Albion.
  • Score: 5

7:12pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Mixter says...

Running it through the centre of Bratfud?? A cracking scenario if ever there was one. And only £250 quids worth of compensation to shell out for the privilege!
Running it through the centre of Bratfud?? A cracking scenario if ever there was one. And only £250 quids worth of compensation to shell out for the privilege! Mixter
  • Score: 1

7:54pm Mon 3 Feb 14

I can see clearly now... says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme.
I completely agree with this post. We need much better connections locally as opposed to another huge politican's vanity project. Another example of where money would be better spent would be to restore the link between Skipton and Colne which would enable Skipton commuters to catch the train to Colne directly via the 11 miles of track that is required. At the moment, if one wishes to go to Colne via train from Skipton, it means a journey of 3 hours, 5 changes and a fare of £30 on the train (or you could just catch the bus!). Visit this site for more details: http://www.selrap.or
g.uk/
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with this post. We need much better connections locally as opposed to another huge politican's vanity project. Another example of where money would be better spent would be to restore the link between Skipton and Colne which would enable Skipton commuters to catch the train to Colne directly via the 11 miles of track that is required. At the moment, if one wishes to go to Colne via train from Skipton, it means a journey of 3 hours, 5 changes and a fare of £30 on the train (or you could just catch the bus!). Visit this site for more details: http://www.selrap.or g.uk/ I can see clearly now...
  • Score: 5

8:49pm Mon 3 Feb 14

MontyLeMar says...

Albion. wrote:
awasteoftime wrote:
This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget
Really? And I thought it was started by Labour in 2009.
Or maybe it was started back in 1996 in Brussels with the Trans-European high-speed rail network directive 96/48/EC. Just another little agreement our lords and masters signed us up to without informing us. I believe Major was in charge then. I'm sure Brussels will insist it goes ahead no matter who objects or whatever the cost.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]awasteoftime[/bold] wrote: This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget[/p][/quote]Really? And I thought it was started by Labour in 2009.[/p][/quote]Or maybe it was started back in 1996 in Brussels with the Trans-European high-speed rail network directive 96/48/EC. Just another little agreement our lords and masters signed us up to without informing us. I believe Major was in charge then. I'm sure Brussels will insist it goes ahead no matter who objects or whatever the cost. MontyLeMar
  • Score: -1

9:08pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

I can see clearly now... wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme.
I completely agree with this post. We need much better connections locally as opposed to another huge politican's vanity project. Another example of where money would be better spent would be to restore the link between Skipton and Colne which would enable Skipton commuters to catch the train to Colne directly via the 11 miles of track that is required. At the moment, if one wishes to go to Colne via train from Skipton, it means a journey of 3 hours, 5 changes and a fare of £30 on the train (or you could just catch the bus!). Visit this site for more details: http://www.selrap.or

g.uk/
Why would anybody want to go Colne? Some Lancashire back water.
[quote][p][bold]I can see clearly now...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with this post. We need much better connections locally as opposed to another huge politican's vanity project. Another example of where money would be better spent would be to restore the link between Skipton and Colne which would enable Skipton commuters to catch the train to Colne directly via the 11 miles of track that is required. At the moment, if one wishes to go to Colne via train from Skipton, it means a journey of 3 hours, 5 changes and a fare of £30 on the train (or you could just catch the bus!). Visit this site for more details: http://www.selrap.or g.uk/[/p][/quote]Why would anybody want to go Colne? Some Lancashire back water. alive and awake
  • Score: -2

9:16pm Mon 3 Feb 14

justjustice says...

"during a visit to the area today." Sorry but Pudsey is a part of Leeds not Bradford, it's not hard to mix them up, Leeds is the richer prosperous one, Bradford is the one with a Hole in it filled with drug dealers, users, and high unemployment.

And no Bradford should not back it seeing that we shelved the one train station plan due to the recession. If combining the stations into one especially with the entrance/exit at the "soon to be built but not even a foundation stone down yet" shopping centre, then and only then would something like HS2 greatly benefit Bradford.
"during a visit to the area today." Sorry but Pudsey is a part of Leeds not Bradford, it's not hard to mix them up, Leeds is the richer prosperous one, Bradford is the one with a Hole in it filled with drug dealers, users, and high unemployment. And no Bradford should not back it seeing that we shelved the one train station plan due to the recession. If combining the stations into one especially with the entrance/exit at the "soon to be built but not even a foundation stone down yet" shopping centre, then and only then would something like HS2 greatly benefit Bradford. justjustice
  • Score: -3

9:22pm Mon 3 Feb 14

johnhem says...

if I can drive down to the docklands area of london from Bradford, door to door, quicker than hs2 and tube, whats the point? and most likely cheaper for the petrol than the fares. take it step by step, forget I'm disabled, and make your mind up then if you think hs2 is value for money. don't forget the waiting time for bus, train and tube
bus from odsal to town (or pay to park),
hs2 to London
tube to docklands
taxi to door/hotel.
the last time i went was December, 3hrs 40mins door to door with a "pit stop" almost 30mins.
if I can drive down to the docklands area of london from Bradford, door to door, quicker than hs2 and tube, whats the point? and most likely cheaper for the petrol than the fares. take it step by step, forget I'm disabled, and make your mind up then if you think hs2 is value for money. don't forget the waiting time for bus, train and tube bus from odsal to town (or pay to park), hs2 to London tube to docklands taxi to door/hotel. the last time i went was December, 3hrs 40mins door to door with a "pit stop" almost 30mins. johnhem
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion. says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Albion. wrote:
awasteoftime wrote:
This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget
Really? And I thought it was started by Labour in 2009.
Or maybe it was started back in 1996 in Brussels with the Trans-European high-speed rail network directive 96/48/EC. Just another little agreement our lords and masters signed us up to without informing us. I believe Major was in charge then. I'm sure Brussels will insist it goes ahead no matter who objects or whatever the cost.
http://labourlist.or
g/2012/01/hs2-will-s
erve-the-communities
-of-tomorrow/

Not that I'm a supporter of Labour OR HS2.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]awasteoftime[/bold] wrote: This is just a vanity project for "Dave" so he can leave a legacy. The cost will double if it is ever built and all to save a few minutes on the travel time into London You then wait those few minutes to catch a tube train. It is just plain stupid. At present "Dave" is not able to find enough money to stop flooding and sort out the Somerset levels seems like the priorities are wrong. Suppose he could take some money from the £12billion pound Aid budget[/p][/quote]Really? And I thought it was started by Labour in 2009.[/p][/quote]Or maybe it was started back in 1996 in Brussels with the Trans-European high-speed rail network directive 96/48/EC. Just another little agreement our lords and masters signed us up to without informing us. I believe Major was in charge then. I'm sure Brussels will insist it goes ahead no matter who objects or whatever the cost.[/p][/quote]http://labourlist.or g/2012/01/hs2-will-s erve-the-communities -of-tomorrow/ Not that I'm a supporter of Labour OR HS2. Albion.
  • Score: 1

10:14pm Mon 3 Feb 14

36a says...

Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the country skint ?

Bankrupt, insolvent, penniless, bust, impoverished, ruined, completly broke.

It is already in debt to a number that I cannot even perceive.

Quite simply we cannot afford it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the country skint ? Bankrupt, insolvent, penniless, bust, impoverished, ruined, completly broke. It is already in debt to a number that I cannot even perceive. Quite simply we cannot afford it. 36a
  • Score: 4

12:09am Tue 4 Feb 14

G_Firth says...

With the bomb shell info that came to light today About WYCA clandestine plans to move LBA to roughly the Rothwell area of Leeds its no wonder Leeds is 100% behind HS2
With the bomb shell info that came to light today About WYCA clandestine plans to move LBA to roughly the Rothwell area of Leeds its no wonder Leeds is 100% behind HS2 G_Firth
  • Score: 0

12:30am Tue 4 Feb 14

NorthStart says...

HS2 needed at least the first stage of construction to start in the North; to deliver the benefits of long-neglected east-west connectivity there first, not London-first. 

In particular, it needed the construction of an express commuter link of only 39 miles between Manchester and Leeds to halve the rail time between the two city centres, fast-connect the rail networks of Lancashire to those of Yorkshire and put Bradford back on the map. Studies for 'The Northern Way' placed a high economic value on such a connector.



Obviously, the HS2 route and stations scheme will not do this and the Government aim to tough it through: an opportunity wasted. 

Or, there is NorthStart's full-scheme alternative:

http://hsnorthstart.
wordpress….

Critiques welcome.
HS2 needed at least the first stage of construction to start in the North; to deliver the benefits of long-neglected east-west connectivity there first, not London-first.  In particular, it needed the construction of an express commuter link of only 39 miles between Manchester and Leeds to halve the rail time between the two city centres, fast-connect the rail networks of Lancashire to those of Yorkshire and put Bradford back on the map. Studies for 'The Northern Way' placed a high economic value on such a connector. 

Obviously, the HS2 route and stations scheme will not do this and the Government aim to tough it through: an opportunity wasted.  Or, there is NorthStart's full-scheme alternative: http://hsnorthstart. wordpress…. Critiques welcome. NorthStart
  • Score: -1

7:03pm Tue 4 Feb 14

I can see clearly now... says...

alive and awake wrote:
I can see clearly now... wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme.
I completely agree with this post. We need much better connections locally as opposed to another huge politican's vanity project. Another example of where money would be better spent would be to restore the link between Skipton and Colne which would enable Skipton commuters to catch the train to Colne directly via the 11 miles of track that is required. At the moment, if one wishes to go to Colne via train from Skipton, it means a journey of 3 hours, 5 changes and a fare of £30 on the train (or you could just catch the bus!). Visit this site for more details: http://www.selrap.or


g.uk/
Why would anybody want to go Colne? Some Lancashire back water.
My point is that restoring the link to Colne would open up numerous other towns such Blackburn, Burnley etc. as potential places of work / leisure without the need to go via L**ds (and vice versa for those living in East Lancs).
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I can see clearly now...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: David Green is right regarding HS2, how can that scheme be relevant to Bradford and district, looking at the Bradford to Manchester railway line, how can the government justify spending 48 billion and more on HS2 when they can't find a way to electrify that line. There must be hundreds of similar schemes all over the country that are crying out for a fraction of that immense pile of HS2 cash to improve services. I guess if they'd have run the line through to Bradford it may have made some difference to the districts economy but as it stands I can understand David Green and Bradford Council's reticence to support the scheme.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with this post. We need much better connections locally as opposed to another huge politican's vanity project. Another example of where money would be better spent would be to restore the link between Skipton and Colne which would enable Skipton commuters to catch the train to Colne directly via the 11 miles of track that is required. At the moment, if one wishes to go to Colne via train from Skipton, it means a journey of 3 hours, 5 changes and a fare of £30 on the train (or you could just catch the bus!). Visit this site for more details: http://www.selrap.or g.uk/[/p][/quote]Why would anybody want to go Colne? Some Lancashire back water.[/p][/quote]My point is that restoring the link to Colne would open up numerous other towns such Blackburn, Burnley etc. as potential places of work / leisure without the need to go via L**ds (and vice versa for those living in East Lancs). I can see clearly now...
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