Apartments at £22m flagship city Gatehaus development 'left to rot'

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The award-winning Gatehaus development off Leeds Road The award-winning Gatehaus development off Leeds Road

An iconic Bradford apartment building is being “left to rot” just eight years after it was described as a flagship regeneration project for the city, according to a group of the property’s leaseholders.

The Gatehaus, off Leeds Road in Little Germany, was officially unveiled in 2006 and is now managed by the Cheshire-based property firm, Braemar Estates.

Now, some members of the Gatehaus Owners Association (GOA), all of whom own or lease apartments on the £22 million development, claim the site has fallen into such a state of disrepair that it can no longer attract prospective tenants.

They also claim the building contains serious health and safety risks.

This has been disputed by the firm, which states the building had construction issues when they inherited it, along with a “chronic service charge deficit.”

Jamil Ashraf, a spokesman for the GOA, said: “This is not just about how bad the building looks, there are real health and safety risks for tenants. There is just not enough being done about the problems here. We do a lot of work to try and get the building back up to scratch, but there are huge issues that need sorting out.

“We pay a lot of money in annual fees, but the service is not being provided. We invested into Bradford to improve the city, but this building is just being destroyed. Problems aren’t fixed, they just paper over the cracks.”

The GOA submitted two reports to Braemars, one in November 2012 and the other in December last year, complaining that members were not satisfied with the way the building was managed.

Concerns were highlighted over alleged fire safety breaches and exposed electrical wiring, damage to the building’s interior structure, and flooding and security problems in the building’s basement car park.

“Some of the supposed construction work has been going on for over two years now, so how are we supposed to sell the building to prospective tenants?” said Mr Ashraf. “We do all we can to keep the apartments immaculate inside, but the rest of the building is just being left to rot.

“A lot of Bradford landlords made an investment in this building, but with the fees we have to pay, owners are now struggling and scraping through. This building is as bad as anywhere I’ve seen in the city.”

When the Telegraph & Argus visited the Gatehaus, landlords highlighted holes and large areas of damp in stairwells and corridors, mould spores on walls, water leaking from the courtyard area into the basement car park and a disabled lift that had been demolished but not rebuilt.

There was also evidence of a fire escape that had been boarded up, which is said to have prompted a fire safety inspection in January.

The Gatehaus was unveiled in 2006, and by the time it officially opened to residents in April the following year, all 141 apartments had been sold. In 2008, the complex, built to complement the “striking architecture” of the Little Germany conservation area, won a hat-trick of design awards, including Bradford district Building of the Year.

The development, part of a £3 billion urban regeneration scheme for Bradford, was owned by Asquith Properties until the firm went into administration in September 2008, leaving some investors out of pocket on two year rental agreements and certain properties “uninhabitable” due to flood damage. Braemar Estates became managing agents of the Gatehaus in May 2012, and members of the GOA currently pay around £1,800 as a basic annual service charge to the company, rising to more than £3,000 with a car parking space.

This price has remained fixed despite a stark drop in the value of the properties, with a one-bedroomed apartment put on the market for £75,000 in February 2012, still available two years on at £54,950, a reduction of more than £20,000.

Members of the GOA who bought two-bedroom apartments at prices between £140,000 and £160,000 in 2006, claim that their value has dropped “by at least half”, with a two-bed property in the complex currently available to rent for just £400 per month.

In response to concerns, Braemar Estates admitted to the GOA that the building is in an “appalling” state, attributing the problems to a “chronic service charge deficit and downward spiral, caused by historic non-payment of service charges by numerous owners.”

However, the company states it is committed to addressing all of the issues and expects to make “measurable improvements to the look and feel of the building.”

Councillor Adrian Naylor (Ind, Craven), executive member for regeneration in the Tory-led Bradford Council during 2008-9, said it was up to the management company to make Gatehaus an attractive proposition for tenants. “Now should be an ideal time to be capitalising on city centre projects, and I can’t understand why the owners wouldn’t want to maximise this investment opportunity,” he said.

Councillor Andrew Mallinson, (Con, Craven), Coun Naylor’s predecessor for regeneration during 2007-8, said: “It’s very sad to see this building left to decline to such a condition that tenants can’t be attracted. Bradford needs to evolve and look appealing, and this issue raises a serious concern about city centre regeneration.”

Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green did not wish to comment, saying the issue was a private matter between the landlords and the company

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6:41am Mon 3 Feb 14

collos25 says...

Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green did not wish to comment, saying the issue was a private matter between the landlords and the company

I wonder if this man ever removes his head out of the sand or is it as most reasonable people think a permanent fixture.You have to go a long way to see somebody who is so out of his depth - the mind boggles.
Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green did not wish to comment, saying the issue was a private matter between the landlords and the company I wonder if this man ever removes his head out of the sand or is it as most reasonable people think a permanent fixture.You have to go a long way to see somebody who is so out of his depth - the mind boggles. collos25

6:43am Mon 3 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green did not wish to comment,
never does when its bad news!
waste of a salary.....
Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green did not wish to comment, never does when its bad news! waste of a salary..... tinytoonster

6:44am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion. says...

They used to call it "Jerry built".
They used to call it "Jerry built". Albion.

6:45am Mon 3 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

collos25 wrote:
Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green did not wish to comment, saying the issue was a private matter between the landlords and the company

I wonder if this man ever removes his head out of the sand or is it as most reasonable people think a permanent fixture.You have to go a long way to see somebody who is so out of his depth - the mind boggles.
thinking the same as you wrote!
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green did not wish to comment, saying the issue was a private matter between the landlords and the company I wonder if this man ever removes his head out of the sand or is it as most reasonable people think a permanent fixture.You have to go a long way to see somebody who is so out of his depth - the mind boggles.[/p][/quote]thinking the same as you wrote! tinytoonster

6:49am Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

Wonder what state Westfield and The Odeon project will be in 8 years after they've opened....
Wonder what state Westfield and The Odeon project will be in 8 years after they've opened.... SinnerSaint

7:44am Mon 3 Feb 14

thatsnotmyname says...

What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.
What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment. thatsnotmyname

7:56am Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.
I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.[/p][/quote]I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane. SinnerSaint

8:07am Mon 3 Feb 14

allannicho says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.
I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane.
Ditto, hardly a "Des Res" in a upmarket area!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.[/p][/quote]I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane.[/p][/quote]Ditto, hardly a "Des Res" in a upmarket area! allannicho

8:31am Mon 3 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

allannicho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.
I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane.
Ditto, hardly a "Des Res" in a upmarket area!
And also a frequent haunt of Bradfords best succesfull drug dealers
[quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.[/p][/quote]I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane.[/p][/quote]Ditto, hardly a "Des Res" in a upmarket area![/p][/quote]And also a frequent haunt of Bradfords best succesfull drug dealers Andy2010

8:32am Mon 3 Feb 14

G_Firth says...

There is a very simple solution and that is for all concerned to get together and sell as a block lot to a hotel chain, as its quite clear that this building is no longer viable in residential hands.
There is a very simple solution and that is for all concerned to get together and sell as a block lot to a hotel chain, as its quite clear that this building is no longer viable in residential hands. G_Firth

8:59am Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Bradford district Building of the year award! WOW.
Compliments Little Germany? Have the ever seen Little Germany?
Bradford district Building of the year award! WOW. Compliments Little Germany? Have the ever seen Little Germany? alive and awake

9:04am Mon 3 Feb 14

Cooperlane2 says...

Simple solution is for the management company to price up the works then charge the flat owners. Unless they are sueing the builders for the condition?
The reality is that the flats are virtually worthless.
Simple solution is for the management company to price up the works then charge the flat owners. Unless they are sueing the builders for the condition? The reality is that the flats are virtually worthless. Cooperlane2

9:13am Mon 3 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Hands up all those who would like to live on the edge of Leeds Road?

I'm guessing not many.
Hands up all those who would like to live on the edge of Leeds Road? I'm guessing not many. Bacon Bantam

9:18am Mon 3 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Hands up all those who would like to live on the edge of Leeds Road?

I'm guessing not many.
As a "distribution" hub its a very handy location with easy access to Leeds Road, Barkerend etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Hands up all those who would like to live on the edge of Leeds Road? I'm guessing not many.[/p][/quote]As a "distribution" hub its a very handy location with easy access to Leeds Road, Barkerend etc etc. Andy2010

9:24am Mon 3 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Probably been said before but it really should be renamed the Ghettohaus.
Probably been said before but it really should be renamed the Ghettohaus. Bacon Bantam

9:41am Mon 3 Feb 14

Baildon girl says...

I used to work in little germany near the flats and we often wondered who the hell would want to live there. The sort of people you get hanging around would be enough to put anyone off its bad enough working round there, its actually pretty scary round there in the dark, maybe im just a wimp though
I used to work in little germany near the flats and we often wondered who the hell would want to live there. The sort of people you get hanging around would be enough to put anyone off its bad enough working round there, its actually pretty scary round there in the dark, maybe im just a wimp though Baildon girl

10:12am Mon 3 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

David Green and his Council should be doing something.
They like knocking buildings down so why no this one ?
David Green and his Council should be doing something. They like knocking buildings down so why no this one ? Joedavid

10:23am Mon 3 Feb 14

Bone_idle18 says...

It's not just a Bradford problem with "investors" jumping on the inner city living band wagon. I've seen numerous stories about people buying apartments in Leeds and losing money.

Lack of maintenance seems to be down to people not paying the Service charges - I suspect it's Landlords who don't have any tenants and refuse to pay the charge whilst receiving no income. As has been said, it;'s catch 22, no money = no maintenance = no tenants and falling prices.

Not sure it's a wise move investing in property in Bradford in the first place - you win some, you lose some, and in this case the investors have lost.
It's not just a Bradford problem with "investors" jumping on the inner city living band wagon. I've seen numerous stories about people buying apartments in Leeds and losing money. Lack of maintenance seems to be down to people not paying the Service charges - I suspect it's Landlords who don't have any tenants and refuse to pay the charge whilst receiving no income. As has been said, it;'s catch 22, no money = no maintenance = no tenants and falling prices. Not sure it's a wise move investing in property in Bradford in the first place - you win some, you lose some, and in this case the investors have lost. Bone_idle18

10:24am Mon 3 Feb 14

Avro says...

Bradford regen coming good...isn't it just, and there more such flats in the pipeline....
Bradford regen coming good...isn't it just, and there more such flats in the pipeline.... Avro

10:32am Mon 3 Feb 14

Storck says...

If the owners are upset it is upto them to bring the management company to heal or change management companies. Yep it is the owners who decide which management company is used, find one that is willing to chase the debtors, make them pay or have the apartments repossessed and sold, that threat will make the mortgage companies pay up for the absent owner otherwise they lose their security for the mortgage
If the owners are upset it is upto them to bring the management company to heal or change management companies. Yep it is the owners who decide which management company is used, find one that is willing to chase the debtors, make them pay or have the apartments repossessed and sold, that threat will make the mortgage companies pay up for the absent owner otherwise they lose their security for the mortgage Storck

10:45am Mon 3 Feb 14

sorrow&anger says...

It's Bradford in a nutshell. Grandiose ambition, pointless awards, followed by dereliction because nobody wants to live amongst the poverty and crime. And the Council washes its hands of any responsibility.
It's Bradford in a nutshell. Grandiose ambition, pointless awards, followed by dereliction because nobody wants to live amongst the poverty and crime. And the Council washes its hands of any responsibility. sorrow&anger

10:45am Mon 3 Feb 14

Silsdenman says...

I thought the washing hanging on some of the balconies the other day looked rather a striking contrast to the shiny black glass frontage. Plenty of time for visitors to the city to take it in whilst waiting at the lights.
I thought the washing hanging on some of the balconies the other day looked rather a striking contrast to the shiny black glass frontage. Plenty of time for visitors to the city to take it in whilst waiting at the lights. Silsdenman

10:49am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Silsdenman wrote:
I thought the washing hanging on some of the balconies the other day looked rather a striking contrast to the shiny black glass frontage. Plenty of time for visitors to the city to take it in whilst waiting at the lights.
Why, was it starting to rain?
[quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: I thought the washing hanging on some of the balconies the other day looked rather a striking contrast to the shiny black glass frontage. Plenty of time for visitors to the city to take it in whilst waiting at the lights.[/p][/quote]Why, was it starting to rain? Albion.

11:12am Mon 3 Feb 14

Grumpygirl says...

'Appalling condition', 'flooding'? This shouldn't happen to a modern building in 8 years. Something wasn't up to scratch.

Cllr. Green refuses to get involved, but his Planning Department and building inspectors signed this thing off. It's just another example of a greedy developer running rings round an inadequate Council. Bradford will never prosper until City Hall learns to live in the real world.
'Appalling condition', 'flooding'? This shouldn't happen to a modern building in 8 years. Something wasn't up to scratch. Cllr. Green refuses to get involved, but his Planning Department and building inspectors signed this thing off. It's just another example of a greedy developer running rings round an inadequate Council. Bradford will never prosper until City Hall learns to live in the real world. Grumpygirl

11:14am Mon 3 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
'Appalling condition', 'flooding'? This shouldn't happen to a modern building in 8 years. Something wasn't up to scratch. Cllr. Green refuses to get involved, but his Planning Department and building inspectors signed this thing off. It's just another example of a greedy developer running rings round an inadequate Council. Bradford will never prosper until City Hall learns to live in the real world.
Good post..
Wins best post of the day award.
:-)
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: 'Appalling condition', 'flooding'? This shouldn't happen to a modern building in 8 years. Something wasn't up to scratch. Cllr. Green refuses to get involved, but his Planning Department and building inspectors signed this thing off. It's just another example of a greedy developer running rings round an inadequate Council. Bradford will never prosper until City Hall learns to live in the real world.[/p][/quote]Good post.. Wins best post of the day award. :-) Joedavid

11:24am Mon 3 Feb 14

allannicho says...

Should have left the little "Paint Shop" there
Should have left the little "Paint Shop" there allannicho

11:28am Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Joedavid wrote:
David Green and his Council should be doing something.
They like knocking buildings down so why no this one ?
I disagree, they should have pulled the Odeon down years ago.
Green and the rest of the Council get exposed more and more every day.
Bradford needs Government assistance urgently, please, please, please come and take over the running of this City NOW!
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: David Green and his Council should be doing something. They like knocking buildings down so why no this one ?[/p][/quote]I disagree, they should have pulled the Odeon down years ago. Green and the rest of the Council get exposed more and more every day. Bradford needs Government assistance urgently, please, please, please come and take over the running of this City NOW! alive and awake

11:32am Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Albion. wrote:
Silsdenman wrote:
I thought the washing hanging on some of the balconies the other day looked rather a striking contrast to the shiny black glass frontage. Plenty of time for visitors to the city to take it in whilst waiting at the lights.
Why, was it starting to rain?
Usually a bag of onions on full view.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: I thought the washing hanging on some of the balconies the other day looked rather a striking contrast to the shiny black glass frontage. Plenty of time for visitors to the city to take it in whilst waiting at the lights.[/p][/quote]Why, was it starting to rain?[/p][/quote]Usually a bag of onions on full view. alive and awake

12:12pm Mon 3 Feb 14

MontyLeMar says...

Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.
Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow. MontyLeMar

12:35pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.
Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building. alive and awake

1:22pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Storck says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.
Daft thing is it isn't the tenants that are not paying the service charge it is the landlords/owners of the apartments. It is their legal obligation to pay the service charge. As I said before it is easily sort, the management company got for forfeiture of a couple of the apartments, this way they mortgage company will pay up for the service charge otherwise they lose the security they have for the mortgage. If the investor paid cash all the better, the management company take the apartment back due to non-payment of service charge then sell the apartment to recover the costs.
Once they have the money in they can then get back on schedule with the maintenance.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Daft thing is it isn't the tenants that are not paying the service charge it is the landlords/owners of the apartments. It is their legal obligation to pay the service charge. As I said before it is easily sort, the management company got for forfeiture of a couple of the apartments, this way they mortgage company will pay up for the service charge otherwise they lose the security they have for the mortgage. If the investor paid cash all the better, the management company take the apartment back due to non-payment of service charge then sell the apartment to recover the costs. Once they have the money in they can then get back on schedule with the maintenance. Storck

1:26pm Mon 3 Feb 14

BertSanders says...

It is symtomatic of the City - nobody wants come here - many would get out if they could.
It is symtomatic of the City - nobody wants come here - many would get out if they could. BertSanders

1:33pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Fast forward a few years and somewhere else which has been getting alot of awards recently will probably start to look aged and dated as funds aren't there to maintain it.

Over to you City Park.
Fast forward a few years and somewhere else which has been getting alot of awards recently will probably start to look aged and dated as funds aren't there to maintain it. Over to you City Park. Bacon Bantam

1:35pm Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Fast forward a few years and somewhere else which has been getting alot of awards recently will probably start to look aged and dated as funds aren't there to maintain it.

Over to you City Park.
140 apartments cost less!
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Fast forward a few years and somewhere else which has been getting alot of awards recently will probably start to look aged and dated as funds aren't there to maintain it. Over to you City Park.[/p][/quote]140 apartments cost less! SinnerSaint

1:46pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

alive and awake wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.
Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building.
Oh and why would anybody vote down what is a very serious question?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building.[/p][/quote]Oh and why would anybody vote down what is a very serious question? alive and awake

2:01pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Avro says...

BertSanders wrote:
It is symtomatic of the City - nobody wants come here - many would get out if they could.
Yet more flats are being planned as you speak....the half empty premises of the future...
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: It is symtomatic of the City - nobody wants come here - many would get out if they could.[/p][/quote]Yet more flats are being planned as you speak....the half empty premises of the future... Avro

2:02pm Mon 3 Feb 14

theoutsider says...

Doomed from the very start. I ask you who wants to live there? awful site always was and those that bought on their were 'mugged'. Trust me if your buying property you should not repeat not be buying it in what amounts to a 'shell hole'. Get the wrecking ball in.
Doomed from the very start. I ask you who wants to live there? awful site always was and those that bought on their were 'mugged'. Trust me if your buying property you should not repeat not be buying it in what amounts to a 'shell hole'. Get the wrecking ball in. theoutsider

2:52pm Mon 3 Feb 14

MontyLeMar says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.
I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane.
But it was mad in those days. People were actually going to banks and getting loans to buy flats they had never seen because some financial adviser said it would never fail. Leeds is full of empty flats and half derelict prestige city centre developments. There are a lot of people with their fingers crossed hoping this latest recovery takes off.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: What a sad state of affairs. Hope the owners of the building pull their hands out of their pockets and resolve these issues. Unfortunately its a catch 22 situation like the rest of Bradford, investment needed to attract investment.[/p][/quote]I just can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that much money buying an apartment in the centre of Bradford. And seriously, £160k for a gross annual rental return of £4800? 3 percent in Bradford is poor so any one who bought to let must be insane.[/p][/quote]But it was mad in those days. People were actually going to banks and getting loans to buy flats they had never seen because some financial adviser said it would never fail. Leeds is full of empty flats and half derelict prestige city centre developments. There are a lot of people with their fingers crossed hoping this latest recovery takes off. MontyLeMar

3:02pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Northern1 says...

Check the photo captions:

"Bradford Telegraph and Argus: A broken downpipe and darin at the development"

"Bradford Telegraph and Argus: A whole in a ceiling at the development"

Bradford Telegraph and Argus - leading the way in journalistism and literacy in Bradford!
Check the photo captions: "Bradford Telegraph and Argus: A broken downpipe and darin [sic] at the development" "Bradford Telegraph and Argus: A whole [sic] in a ceiling at the development" Bradford Telegraph and Argus - leading the way in journalistism and literacy in Bradford! Northern1

3:24pm Mon 3 Feb 14

JimmyShip says...

I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out.
The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford.
I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out. The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford. JimmyShip

3:40pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Yorkshire Lass says...

I think this is a positive example of the planning department in Bradford. When the building first opened I passed there one weekend in the summer and there were a couple of people actually on their balcony near the top of the flats on Leeds Road, sat out enjoying the weather. However this corner is a nightmare on any day with traffic coming and going in all directions and the noise is horrendous. Perhaps our dear planners should pay more attention where people are going to live before making decisions as it would appear that a lot of mistakes are made. Maybe for future projects more input from the people who are thinking of living in them, before decisions are made.
I think this is a positive example of the planning department in Bradford. When the building first opened I passed there one weekend in the summer and there were a couple of people actually on their balcony near the top of the flats on Leeds Road, sat out enjoying the weather. However this corner is a nightmare on any day with traffic coming and going in all directions and the noise is horrendous. Perhaps our dear planners should pay more attention where people are going to live before making decisions as it would appear that a lot of mistakes are made. Maybe for future projects more input from the people who are thinking of living in them, before decisions are made. Yorkshire Lass

4:58pm Mon 3 Feb 14

nowt fresh says...

JimmyShip wrote:
I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out. The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford.
Don't understand the problem these apartments overlook their own drag strip !! just imagine what one of these apartments would cost if it overlooked Santa Pod, no pleasing some :-((.
[quote][p][bold]JimmyShip[/bold] wrote: I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out. The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Don't understand the problem these apartments overlook their own drag strip !! just imagine what one of these apartments would cost if it overlooked Santa Pod, no pleasing some :-((. nowt fresh

5:04pm Mon 3 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

Joedavid wrote:
David Green and his Council should be doing something.
They like knocking buildings down so why no this one ?
He had better not spend my council tax doing it up. For once I think Green is bang on, it's a private matter.

With hindsight it was a speculative investment at best (westfield might have been built in good time, global economy might not have nosedived). The investors could take their medicine and fork out for repairs. Or decide that would be throwing good money after bad.

Either way who cares
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: David Green and his Council should be doing something. They like knocking buildings down so why no this one ?[/p][/quote]He had better not spend my council tax doing it up. For once I think Green is bang on, it's a private matter. With hindsight it was a speculative investment at best (westfield might have been built in good time, global economy might not have nosedived). The investors could take their medicine and fork out for repairs. Or decide that would be throwing good money after bad. Either way who cares StevieLad

5:13pm Mon 3 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

JimmyShip wrote:
I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out.
The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford.
In my mind the interior is something like the Albanian human trafficking scenes in that movie Taken. Only more so.

Anyone got Liam Neeson's phone number?
[quote][p][bold]JimmyShip[/bold] wrote: I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out. The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford.[/p][/quote]In my mind the interior is something like the Albanian human trafficking scenes in that movie Taken. Only more so. Anyone got Liam Neeson's phone number? StevieLad

5:26pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

StevieLad wrote:
JimmyShip wrote:
I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out.
The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford.
In my mind the interior is something like the Albanian human trafficking scenes in that movie Taken. Only more so.

Anyone got Liam Neeson's phone number?
You must have been in there
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JimmyShip[/bold] wrote: I have heard it called Taliban Towers by a number of people. One of whom had the misfortune of renting an apartment there. He said it was a place where you didn't even want to go out of your front door on an evening, for fear of being confronted. He only lasted a month there and got out. The building actually looks quite nice and impressive from the outside, but as has been said earlier, anybody who has a choice, wouldn't want to live at the bottom of Leeds Road in Bradford.[/p][/quote]In my mind the interior is something like the Albanian human trafficking scenes in that movie Taken. Only more so. Anyone got Liam Neeson's phone number?[/p][/quote]You must have been in there Andy2010

6:02pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Bantambhoy says...

alive and awake wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.
Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building.
Oh and why would anybody vote down what is a very serious question?
Because it's a non question. The Local Authority has a pension fund, not the council.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building.[/p][/quote]Oh and why would anybody vote down what is a very serious question?[/p][/quote]Because it's a non question. The Local Authority has a pension fund, not the council. Bantambhoy

7:29pm Mon 3 Feb 14

thatsnotmyname says...

Why are.people bring the council into this? Did they build it, is it a council building, were the current council in charge when this was built? No. Its a matter for private companies.
Why are.people bring the council into this? Did they build it, is it a council building, were the current council in charge when this was built? No. Its a matter for private companies. thatsnotmyname

7:51pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Why are.people bring the council into this? Did they build it, is it a council building, were the current council in charge when this was built? No. Its a matter for private companies.
Surely the Council passed the plans and inspected the construction and passed it?
Have the Council not got H&S responsibilities?
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: Why are.people bring the council into this? Did they build it, is it a council building, were the current council in charge when this was built? No. Its a matter for private companies.[/p][/quote]Surely the Council passed the plans and inspected the construction and passed it? Have the Council not got H&S responsibilities? Joedavid

7:57pm Mon 3 Feb 14

ollie59 says...

Iconic?
Iconic? ollie59

8:10pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Thackley Bantam says...

From one in the know....Get your facts right Grumpy Girl. The Council's Building Inspectors did not sign the building off because the developer chose to use a private company to do all the Building Regulations inspections. The Council's Building Inspectors had no involvement in the construction. From one in the know!!
From one in the know....Get your facts right Grumpy Girl. The Council's Building Inspectors did not sign the building off because the developer chose to use a private company to do all the Building Regulations inspections. The Council's Building Inspectors had no involvement in the construction. From one in the know!! Thackley Bantam

9:02pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.
Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building.
Oh and why would anybody vote down what is a very serious question?
Because it's a non question. The Local Authority has a pension fund, not the council.
Same difference, still no confirmation.
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: Let's look on this building as a fine example of the stupidity of property speculators and greedy btl landlords. This building was planned and built in the run up to the financial crash of 2007/8 and everyone was investing off-plan in speculative developments. Unsurprisingly it all crashed. As Albion said it looks very gerry-built, but they weren't built to last, they were built to make the speculators a profit. No decent property management company is going to spend money if the tenants are refusing to pay their fees. Sadly it looks like one-way traffic, rent revenue will continue to decline, management fees will remain unpaid, maintenance will not be done and the building will continue to decline. Councillor Green is right to keep out of it but his hand may be forced when a health and safety issue arises. Doesn't say much for architecture does it? 2008 it gets voted building of the year, 2014 it looks like the slum of tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Please tell me the Bradford Council Pension Fund do not have an interest in this building.[/p][/quote]Oh and why would anybody vote down what is a very serious question?[/p][/quote]Because it's a non question. The Local Authority has a pension fund, not the council.[/p][/quote]Same difference, still no confirmation. alive and awake

9:09pm Mon 3 Feb 14

BierleyBoy says...

This epitomises the decline of Bradford, and is a stark indicator of why there is so little private investment in the city.

Cllr Green will keep quiet, he knows the political rulers have made such a mess that no one wants to live in the city.

I bet he just loves the fact that this has gone wrong, so he can push through more public funded schemes and paint himself as some sort of saviour.

Anyone who looks at the land registry figures for Bradford will see just how much of a decline there has been since the housing bubble burst. Even before that Bradford was way behind national averages.
This epitomises the decline of Bradford, and is a stark indicator of why there is so little private investment in the city. Cllr Green will keep quiet, he knows the political rulers have made such a mess that no one wants to live in the city. I bet he just loves the fact that this has gone wrong, so he can push through more public funded schemes and paint himself as some sort of saviour. Anyone who looks at the land registry figures for Bradford will see just how much of a decline there has been since the housing bubble burst. Even before that Bradford was way behind national averages. BierleyBoy

9:14pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Hands up all those who would like to live on the edge of Leeds Road?

I'm guessing not many.
As a "distribution" hub its a very handy location with easy access to Leeds Road, Barkerend etc etc.
I take it you dont mean"t milk man xx
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Hands up all those who would like to live on the edge of Leeds Road? I'm guessing not many.[/p][/quote]As a "distribution" hub its a very handy location with easy access to Leeds Road, Barkerend etc etc.[/p][/quote]I take it you dont mean"t milk man xx Arhmen Noleg

9:22pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Had a gander on right move. Apartments are for sale as low 40k, from 120k.
Had a gander on right move. Apartments are for sale as low 40k, from 120k. Thee Voice of Reason

9:58pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Did I read that right.

A 3 billion pound urban regeneration scheme.
That's 3000 million pounds.
Westfield is to cost £275 million.
But has been a hole for 9 years this summer
The pond cost more than these 140 apartments well spotted SS.
Drive round the "urban" 3000 million spent since 2000 and what do you see.
Empty,"Closing Down", "For Sale" "To Let" (Or should that be "To I Let") Social Housing fully restored 7 years ago now in need again,East brook Hall proudly restored and empty,Deriliction ,Decay,Empty hotels 3 built in last 5 years....Odeon sprouting tress again....Student quarter nightlife of 7 years ago gone....Thom Cook offices empty 12 months.....Former Coop Emporium and latterly T Hughes empty decaying forever....Darley Street filthy half empty zombies spaced and begging everywhere....Market Street....empty and buses only allowed...(which are always empty)....Norfolk Gardens...taken over by food kitchen for poor daily.Queue longer than for"t bus.....Sportshoes Unlimited empty dirty gone after 30 years......Library closed filfhty could not even maintain fire regulatory standard (guess that was not Council fault either eh Thackley)....Oastler half empty....Rawson replacement market empty 10 years (cost to build £12 million.....The iconic ships hull full of drug dealers and rotting..the former famous Ring O Bells empty and rotting....Welll Street Empty and rotting.

Oh but we have our £30 million jewell a brightly lit puddle where the Council have to spend hundreds of thousands on Bollywod shows just so it looks busy.

Did you not do well Maud,Greenwood and all those others who managed to spend £3000 million in the decadeof the noughties to create this.

HELL.

If that's where I'm going Think I"d better start reading the Rev flowers bible and readingup on Chrysal Meth which might help me cope.
Cos if Hell is as Bradford is today I"m not for going.

Will (Bradford on Sea)the architect must be laughing all the way to the bank.

WHERE DID THE MONEY GO HONEY>
COME ON GREEN GREENWOOD AND MARSHALL TELL US PLEASE COS £3000 MILLION IS A LOT OF GOVERNMENT CASH TO CREATE HELLFIRE
AND THATS WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR MONEY

Don't think they were brown paper envelopes collos..more like brown paper santa sacks.

What a shambles of a hellhole we have become.
RIP Pete Seegar.

"WE SHALL OVERCOME >>>>SOMEDAY"

Now be good boys and girls and jump in the hole before Westfield foundation it with reinforced concrete.

TO ALL BRADFORDIANS......WE
EP
Did I read that right. A 3 billion pound urban regeneration scheme. That's 3000 million pounds. Westfield is to cost £275 million. But has been a hole for 9 years this summer The pond cost more than these 140 apartments well spotted SS. Drive round the "urban" 3000 million spent since 2000 and what do you see. Empty,"Closing Down", "For Sale" "To Let" (Or should that be "To I Let") Social Housing fully restored 7 years ago now in need again,East brook Hall proudly restored and empty,Deriliction ,Decay,Empty hotels 3 built in last 5 years....Odeon sprouting tress again....Student quarter nightlife of 7 years ago gone....Thom Cook offices empty 12 months.....Former Coop Emporium and latterly T Hughes empty decaying forever....Darley Street filthy half empty zombies spaced and begging everywhere....Market Street....empty and buses only allowed...(which are always empty)....Norfolk Gardens...taken over by food kitchen for poor daily.Queue longer than for"t bus.....Sportshoes Unlimited empty dirty gone after 30 years......Library closed filfhty could not even maintain fire regulatory standard (guess that was not Council fault either eh Thackley)....Oastler half empty....Rawson replacement market empty 10 years (cost to build £12 million.....The iconic ships hull full of drug dealers and rotting..the former famous Ring O Bells empty and rotting....Welll Street Empty and rotting. Oh but we have our £30 million jewell a brightly lit puddle where the Council have to spend hundreds of thousands on Bollywod shows just so it looks busy. Did you not do well Maud,Greenwood and all those others who managed to spend £3000 million in the decadeof the noughties to create this. HELL. If that's where I'm going Think I"d better start reading the Rev flowers bible and readingup on Chrysal Meth which might help me cope. Cos if Hell is as Bradford is today I"m not for going. Will (Bradford on Sea)the architect must be laughing all the way to the bank. WHERE DID THE MONEY GO HONEY> COME ON GREEN GREENWOOD AND MARSHALL TELL US PLEASE COS £3000 MILLION IS A LOT OF GOVERNMENT CASH TO CREATE HELLFIRE AND THATS WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR MONEY Don't think they were brown paper envelopes collos..more like brown paper santa sacks. What a shambles of a hellhole we have become. RIP Pete Seegar. "WE SHALL OVERCOME >>>>SOMEDAY" Now be good boys and girls and jump in the hole before Westfield foundation it with reinforced concrete. TO ALL BRADFORDIANS......WE EP Arhmen Noleg

10:14pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Reality001 says...

Joedavid wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
Why are.people bring the council into this? Did they build it, is it a council building, were the current council in charge when this was built? No. Its a matter for private companies.
Surely the Council passed the plans and inspected the construction and passed it?
Have the Council not got H&S responsibilities?
Owners and Landlords are responsible for Health & Safety in buildings, not the Council.

It amazes me how people have a go at Bradford Council when its not responsible in any way.

Also the person carrying out the Building Work is responsible for making sure that it complies with the Building Regulations.

Trying doing some research on Google before making comments which are wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: Why are.people bring the council into this? Did they build it, is it a council building, were the current council in charge when this was built? No. Its a matter for private companies.[/p][/quote]Surely the Council passed the plans and inspected the construction and passed it? Have the Council not got H&S responsibilities?[/p][/quote]Owners and Landlords are responsible for Health & Safety in buildings, not the Council. It amazes me how people have a go at Bradford Council when its not responsible in any way. Also the person carrying out the Building Work is responsible for making sure that it complies with the Building Regulations. Trying doing some research on Google before making comments which are wrong. Reality001

11:25pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

£900 per year for car parking space, if you bought an apartment for £150k you'd expect a parking space not to shell out nearly a grand every year. You could park it at the leisure exchange over the road every day for year probably cheaper.
Reading back on the initial story about a bloke who bought an entire floor.
Also seems the council was happy to cream off and bask in the award that was given in 2008 but not now no now it's a disaster it doesn't exist.
£900 per year for car parking space, if you bought an apartment for £150k you'd expect a parking space not to shell out nearly a grand every year. You could park it at the leisure exchange over the road every day for year probably cheaper. Reading back on the initial story about a bloke who bought an entire floor. Also seems the council was happy to cream off and bask in the award that was given in 2008 but not now no now it's a disaster it doesn't exist. Thee Voice of Reason

11:33pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Ciamagno says...

I used to live there in 2008, but the landlords started renting to really bad people to take advantage of the benefits system. they new all these years what they were doing with the building. before i moved out i used to complaint daily about the parties and fights that happened overnight, but nothing was done ever, few weeks after we move out they closed a heroin factory in one of the apartments of the 3rd floor, one floor below mine. they new these problems in 2009, so now they complaint when no one wants to live there? off course, no one living there means no money for them. this does not happen like that, this is from 2009. when i moved in 2008 i had to pass a massive credit check with 1 and a half months deposit... 1 year later they were letting criminals rent the apartments... ridiculous.
I used to live there in 2008, but the landlords started renting to really bad people to take advantage of the benefits system. they new all these years what they were doing with the building. before i moved out i used to complaint daily about the parties and fights that happened overnight, but nothing was done ever, few weeks after we move out they closed a heroin factory in one of the apartments of the 3rd floor, one floor below mine. they new these problems in 2009, so now they complaint when no one wants to live there? off course, no one living there means no money for them. this does not happen like that, this is from 2009. when i moved in 2008 i had to pass a massive credit check with 1 and a half months deposit... 1 year later they were letting criminals rent the apartments... ridiculous. Ciamagno

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