Concerns voiced over the decision to install free ‘charge point’ costing £3,500

Coun Joe Ashton

Coun Joe Ashton

First published in News

Sparks are flying over a recent decision to install a free-to-use electric car charger in Baildon at a cost of £3,500 to the common purse.

Residents have taken to the internet to voice concerns after ward councillor Debbie Davies revealed there are currently only seven electric vehicles registered in the Bradford district. And T&A readers wrote to our Letters Page to protest about the charge point, which will be funded from the town council’s budget, with an additional £10,500 coming from central Government.

Bob Watson of Springfield Road, Baildon pointed out: “I am given to understand that British Gas will currently install an electric vehicle charging point at most homes free of charge. Considering the alternative needs within Baildon at the moment, surely this substantial spend should not be anywhere near the top of the town council’s list of priorities?”

And retired newspaper editor Mel Vasey of Wharton Square, Baildon, wrote: “The decision to spend £3,500 on an electrical point at the Ian Clough car park in Baildon so that drivers of eco-cars can ‘fill up’ prompts the feeling an electrical point into which council do-gooders could plug their bodies to shock themselves into the real world would be a far better idea.

“We are told that here are only seven of these cars registered in the entire Bradford area, which somehow justifies this cost. In the unlikely event of there being a huge demand for this freebie for a chosen few, the extra burden on our hard-pressed national grid can no doubt be offset by the increasing number of pensioners who now cannot afford to switch on the heating in their own homes,” he added.

Baildon town council’s deputy chairman Joe Ashton expanded the case for the charging point. “In our defence, we knew there aren’t many at this moment – but there may well be in the future. It’s a chicken and the egg situation. People don’t always want to invest in something without the infrastructure in place to support it.”

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6:37am Mon 3 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it!
its like the so called free insulation, we all pay!
make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead!
its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it! its like the so called free insulation, we all pay! make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead! tinytoonster
  • Score: 4

8:57am Mon 3 Feb 14

G_Firth says...

One has to question the cost effective viability of such a project as clearly only one vehicle at a time would be able to utilize this unit.
In today's economic climate is such a vanity project a wise use of public funding that could of been directed to a more needy area of the town.
One has to question the cost effective viability of such a project as clearly only one vehicle at a time would be able to utilize this unit. In today's economic climate is such a vanity project a wise use of public funding that could of been directed to a more needy area of the town. G_Firth
  • Score: 6

9:45am Mon 3 Feb 14

Baildon girl says...

so there are 7 cars registered in Bradford area? Bradfords a big place is everyone going to come to Baildon to charge them?

Seems a waste of money when facilities such as the toilets are facing axe
so there are 7 cars registered in Bradford area? Bradfords a big place is everyone going to come to Baildon to charge them? Seems a waste of money when facilities such as the toilets are facing axe Baildon girl
  • Score: 3

10:23am Mon 3 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

Maybe the 7 car owners are in Baildon and are they Councillors?
Maybe the 7 car owners are in Baildon and are they Councillors? Joedavid
  • Score: 2

10:40am Mon 3 Feb 14

Bone_idle18 says...

In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car.

However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green,
In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car. However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green, Bone_idle18
  • Score: 5

10:48am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion. says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car.

However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green,
Anything that reduces the dependency on fossil fuels has to be encouraged. Electric vehicles are still very much in their infancy though.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car. However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green,[/p][/quote]Anything that reduces the dependency on fossil fuels has to be encouraged. Electric vehicles are still very much in their infancy though. Albion.
  • Score: -5

11:39am Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Albion. wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car.

However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green,
Anything that reduces the dependency on fossil fuels has to be encouraged. Electric vehicles are still very much in their infancy though.
Electric vehicles still in their infancy? Where have you been? Mars? Electric vehicles have been around for 100 year or so, development has been supressed courtesy of the oil companies, much to the delight of the Arabs and Texans. "Norman Wisdom" could vouch for that.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car. However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green,[/p][/quote]Anything that reduces the dependency on fossil fuels has to be encouraged. Electric vehicles are still very much in their infancy though.[/p][/quote]Electric vehicles still in their infancy? Where have you been? Mars? Electric vehicles have been around for 100 year or so, development has been supressed courtesy of the oil companies, much to the delight of the Arabs and Texans. "Norman Wisdom" could vouch for that. alive and awake
  • Score: 1

11:44am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion. says...

alive and awake wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car.

However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green,
Anything that reduces the dependency on fossil fuels has to be encouraged. Electric vehicles are still very much in their infancy though.
Electric vehicles still in their infancy? Where have you been? Mars? Electric vehicles have been around for 100 year or so, development has been supressed courtesy of the oil companies, much to the delight of the Arabs and Texans. "Norman Wisdom" could vouch for that.
Mass produced electric vehicles and hybrids. Battery development is ever improving. There certainly are one or two electric vehicles on Mars (I haven't been),
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: In the UK, over the lifecyclye of an electric car (taken as150,000km), and electric car contributes only 10% less pollution to the atmosphere compared to a petrol car. However, as there's a massive upfront carbon cost to manufacturing Electric cars, and they are generally used for short journeys, the break even point may not even be reached, so Electric cars, at the moment, are not actually that green,[/p][/quote]Anything that reduces the dependency on fossil fuels has to be encouraged. Electric vehicles are still very much in their infancy though.[/p][/quote]Electric vehicles still in their infancy? Where have you been? Mars? Electric vehicles have been around for 100 year or so, development has been supressed courtesy of the oil companies, much to the delight of the Arabs and Texans. "Norman Wisdom" could vouch for that.[/p][/quote]Mass produced electric vehicles and hybrids. Battery development is ever improving. There certainly are one or two electric vehicles on Mars (I haven't been), Albion.
  • Score: 8

12:25pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Grumpygirl says...

tinytoonster wrote:
its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it!
its like the so called free insulation, we all pay!
make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead!
Too true we all pay. The Tory State is a machine for transferring money from the poor to the rich. Energy subsidies for capital intensive kit that poor people can't afford, -- cars, windpower, solar panels or whatever -- is just one of the underhand ways they do this.

Cameron doesn't believe in green cra.p, just richer rich people. Unsurprisingly the true blue of Baildon have the same view.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it! its like the so called free insulation, we all pay! make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead![/p][/quote]Too true we all pay. The Tory State is a machine for transferring money from the poor to the rich. Energy subsidies for capital intensive kit that poor people can't afford, -- cars, windpower, solar panels or whatever -- is just one of the underhand ways they do this. Cameron doesn't believe in green cra.p, just richer rich people. Unsurprisingly the true blue of Baildon have the same view. Grumpygirl
  • Score: -3

12:28pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
tinytoonster wrote: its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it! its like the so called free insulation, we all pay! make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead!
Too true we all pay. The Tory State is a machine for transferring money from the poor to the rich. Energy subsidies for capital intensive kit that poor people can't afford, -- cars, windpower, solar panels or whatever -- is just one of the underhand ways they do this. Cameron doesn't believe in green cra.p, just richer rich people. Unsurprisingly the true blue of Baildon have the same view.
We pay for petrol so these people should pay for electric.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it! its like the so called free insulation, we all pay! make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead![/p][/quote]Too true we all pay. The Tory State is a machine for transferring money from the poor to the rich. Energy subsidies for capital intensive kit that poor people can't afford, -- cars, windpower, solar panels or whatever -- is just one of the underhand ways they do this. Cameron doesn't believe in green cra.p, just richer rich people. Unsurprisingly the true blue of Baildon have the same view.[/p][/quote]We pay for petrol so these people should pay for electric. Joedavid
  • Score: 2

2:49pm Mon 3 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors.
Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

3:18pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors.
mmmm RS/Hemp
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors.[/p][/quote]mmmm RS/Hemp alive and awake
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it!
its like the so called free insulation, we all pay!
make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead!
Too true we all pay. The Tory State is a machine for transferring money from the poor to the rich. Energy subsidies for capital intensive kit that poor people can't afford, -- cars, windpower, solar panels or whatever -- is just one of the underhand ways they do this.

Cameron doesn't believe in green cra.p, just richer rich people. Unsurprisingly the true blue of Baildon have the same view.
The "poor people" are quite capable of transferring their money to the wealthy on their own. ----Cigs, Booze .Mobile phones, Greggs, Lottery Cards, takeaways, etc. etc. etc.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: its not free, everybody else who have bills pay for it! its like the so called free insulation, we all pay! make everybody pay for this stuff and lower our bills instead![/p][/quote]Too true we all pay. The Tory State is a machine for transferring money from the poor to the rich. Energy subsidies for capital intensive kit that poor people can't afford, -- cars, windpower, solar panels or whatever -- is just one of the underhand ways they do this. Cameron doesn't believe in green cra.p, just richer rich people. Unsurprisingly the true blue of Baildon have the same view.[/p][/quote]The "poor people" are quite capable of transferring their money to the wealthy on their own. ----Cigs, Booze .Mobile phones, Greggs, Lottery Cards, takeaways, etc. etc. etc. alive and awake
  • Score: 0

4:47pm Mon 3 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors.
mmmm RS/Hemp
As industrial hemp does not contain the psycho active compounds in anything like the levels to have an effect it would be a waste of time RollandSmoking it. Stinging nettles are also in the same plant family, you don't see many people RollandSmoking them either. You do know the difference between Cannabis and Hemp don't you? You could probably explain why one is illegal, though I doubt you could justify it, what about the other? Why are we not utilising the valuable resource of hemp leading to an over-relience on petrochemicals which don't produce new crops?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors.[/p][/quote]mmmm RS/Hemp[/p][/quote]As industrial hemp does not contain the psycho active compounds in anything like the levels to have an effect it would be a waste of time RollandSmoking it. Stinging nettles are also in the same plant family, you don't see many people RollandSmoking them either. You do know the difference between Cannabis and Hemp don't you? You could probably explain why one is illegal, though I doubt you could justify it, what about the other? Why are we not utilising the valuable resource of hemp leading to an over-relience on petrochemicals which don't produce new crops? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

5:39pm Mon 3 Feb 14

james craggs says...

Maybe if there were more town councils who had the foresight to install chargers there would be more electric cars.
Well done Baildon.
Glad there are some people who take climate change seriously rather than the fatuous stuff above from the same old empty vessels.
Maybe if there were more town councils who had the foresight to install chargers there would be more electric cars. Well done Baildon. Glad there are some people who take climate change seriously rather than the fatuous stuff above from the same old empty vessels. james craggs
  • Score: -3

7:52pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Dragon Saddle says...

G_Firth wrote:
One has to question the cost effective viability of such a project as clearly only one vehicle at a time would be able to utilize this unit.
In today's economic climate is such a vanity project a wise use of public funding that could of been directed to a more needy area of the town.
I understand it will be able to charge two vehicles at a time, and it should be cost neutral in the long run. Although, I also accept there may have been better ways for the Town Council to tackle climate change with this money. My suggestion would be to come up with alternatives and present them!
[quote][p][bold]G_Firth[/bold] wrote: One has to question the cost effective viability of such a project as clearly only one vehicle at a time would be able to utilize this unit. In today's economic climate is such a vanity project a wise use of public funding that could of been directed to a more needy area of the town.[/p][/quote]I understand it will be able to charge two vehicles at a time, and it should be cost neutral in the long run. Although, I also accept there may have been better ways for the Town Council to tackle climate change with this money. My suggestion would be to come up with alternatives and present them! Dragon Saddle
  • Score: 0

9:22pm Mon 3 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors.
mmmm RS/Hemp
As industrial hemp does not contain the psycho active compounds in anything like the levels to have an effect it would be a waste of time RollandSmoking it. Stinging nettles are also in the same plant family, you don't see many people RollandSmoking them either. You do know the difference between Cannabis and Hemp don't you? You could probably explain why one is illegal, though I doubt you could justify it, what about the other? Why are we not utilising the valuable resource of hemp leading to an over-relience on petrochemicals which don't produce new crops?
It might surprise you, but I would legalise all drugs tomorrow. With some sort of regulation on quality. lets take the crime out of it all.
The judiciary won't allow it sadly, too many out of .work Layers and Cops.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Bio ethanol derived from hemp may be a better solution. Henry Ford certainly thought so when he designed his cars to run on the stuff in the first place. Makes you wonder who's bright idea it was to ditch that plan and switch to petrol? You could grow loads of the stuff up on the moors.[/p][/quote]mmmm RS/Hemp[/p][/quote]As industrial hemp does not contain the psycho active compounds in anything like the levels to have an effect it would be a waste of time RollandSmoking it. Stinging nettles are also in the same plant family, you don't see many people RollandSmoking them either. You do know the difference between Cannabis and Hemp don't you? You could probably explain why one is illegal, though I doubt you could justify it, what about the other? Why are we not utilising the valuable resource of hemp leading to an over-relience on petrochemicals which don't produce new crops?[/p][/quote]It might surprise you, but I would legalise all drugs tomorrow. With some sort of regulation on quality. lets take the crime out of it all. The judiciary won't allow it sadly, too many out of .work Layers and Cops. alive and awake
  • Score: -3

12:21am Tue 4 Feb 14

G_Firth says...

Dragon Saddle wrote:
G_Firth wrote:
One has to question the cost effective viability of such a project as clearly only one vehicle at a time would be able to utilize this unit.
In today's economic climate is such a vanity project a wise use of public funding that could of been directed to a more needy area of the town.
I understand it will be able to charge two vehicles at a time, and it should be cost neutral in the long run. Although, I also accept there may have been better ways for the Town Council to tackle climate change with this money. My suggestion would be to come up with alternatives and present them!
Erm lets see now:
Electric buses which their developers say can run all day are set to begin service.

A fleet of eight new electric vehicles will operate along a busy route in Milton Keynes from late January.

The buses can run for longer by virtue of a wireless booster charge they receive at the start and end of the route from plates in the road.

The buses are the first of their kind to operate in the UK.
Inductive charging

The fleet will run on the Number 7 route, which covers 25km (15 miles) between the Milton Keynes suburbs of Wolverton and Bletchley and carries an estimated 800,000 passengers a year.

After a night charging at the depot, the buses will receive booster charges throughout the day at the start and end of the route.

There, the bus parks over plates buried in the road. The driver then lowers receiver plates on the bottom of the bus to within 4cm of the road surface and the bus is charged for around 10 minutes before resuming service.

The system uses a process called inductive charging. Electricity passes through wire coils in the road plates, generating a magnetic field. This field induces a voltage across coils in the bus plates and the vehicle's batteries are charged.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/technology-256
21426
[quote][p][bold]Dragon Saddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G_Firth[/bold] wrote: One has to question the cost effective viability of such a project as clearly only one vehicle at a time would be able to utilize this unit. In today's economic climate is such a vanity project a wise use of public funding that could of been directed to a more needy area of the town.[/p][/quote]I understand it will be able to charge two vehicles at a time, and it should be cost neutral in the long run. Although, I also accept there may have been better ways for the Town Council to tackle climate change with this money. My suggestion would be to come up with alternatives and present them![/p][/quote]Erm lets see now: Electric buses which their developers say can run all day are set to begin service. A fleet of eight new electric vehicles will operate along a busy route in Milton Keynes from late January. The buses can run for longer by virtue of a wireless booster charge they receive at the start and end of the route from plates in the road. The buses are the first of their kind to operate in the UK. Inductive charging The fleet will run on the Number 7 route, which covers 25km (15 miles) between the Milton Keynes suburbs of Wolverton and Bletchley and carries an estimated 800,000 passengers a year. After a night charging at the depot, the buses will receive booster charges throughout the day at the start and end of the route. There, the bus parks over plates buried in the road. The driver then lowers receiver plates on the bottom of the bus to within 4cm of the road surface and the bus is charged for around 10 minutes before resuming service. The system uses a process called inductive charging. Electricity passes through wire coils in the road plates, generating a magnetic field. This field induces a voltage across coils in the bus plates and the vehicle's batteries are charged. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/technology-256 21426 G_Firth
  • Score: -2

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