New £30m swimming pool and sports centre plan for Bradford's Odeon

How the leisure centre proposal for the Odeon might look

How the leisure centre proposal for the Odeon might look

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Bradford’s former Odeon building could be turned into a “world class” city centre swimming pool and leisure centre in an ambitious £30 million scheme.

A consortium of businesses has devised the plan, which is a direct rival to two separate bids to turn the landmark site into a music venue, and was submitted to Bradford Council yesterday shortly before a deadline for ‘expressions of interest’ expired.

Under the new proposal, the Odeon would be transformed into a four-storey carbon-neutral leisure centre called City Reflections, complete with an eight-lane swimming pool, competition-standard diving pool, fitness suite, studios, restaurant and cafe.

One of its most striking features is a rooftop public garden and 160m indoor running track on the building’s third floor, covered by a large glass dome.

The scheme is expected to cost about £25m to £30m and Manchester-based developer Muse would play a key part.

The firms involved include architects Rance Booth Smith, developer Chartback, surveyors Rex Procter and Partners, town planners Turley Associates, advisors Tomorrow Advisory, surveyors Sharma Williamson and technical experts SK(UK) Ltd.

Rance Booth Smith Architects director Allan Booth said: “Our proposal is for a world-class, sustainable, state-of-the-art swimming, diving, athletic and multi-sport facility in a prime position in the heart of Bradford city centre.

“Our intention is to provide an economically and environmentally-sustainable proposal which aims to keep as much of the original iconic structure as possible, in particular the retention of the existing towers, while allowing for a realistic, viable and successful development of the site.”

The scheme had ‘clear benefits’, such as increasing footfall in the city centre and improving people’s health.

He said: “City Reflections will create a destination, and will bring new visitors into the city centre. It will create a sense of vibrancy within the city centre which would appeal to residents and visitors of all ages, genders and ethnicities and complement City Park.”

The consortium came together through the Bradford Property Forum. Its idea was inspired by the Council’s announcement that it was looking to replace the Richard Dunn Sports Centre with a new city-centre swimming pool as part of a wider shake-up of leisure provision.

It says there could be two funding optionsp: either raising money through grants and community fundraising, or allowing a developer or consortium to provide much of the investment in return for the right to operate the centre for 25 to 40 years.

Yesterday afternoon was the deadline for potential developers to express interest in regenerating the empty Odeon building, now owned by the Council.

In total, three proposals have been submitted – the City Reflections pool idea, Bradford One’s plan to create a multi-purpose cultural venue and creative hub and Bradford Live’s bid for a commercially-run 4,000-seat live music venue.

Each of the plans will now be assessed to see if they will make it through to the next selection stage in March.

Yesterday, Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green, said: “We will now look at these proposals and determine which of them meet the qualification of retaining all or as much as possible of the building, make a positive contribution to the vitality of the city centre and can be delivered within the next five years.

“Any of the proposals getting through to the next stage will be announced in March.

“Applicants will then need to submit more detailed proposals including designs, costs and a business plan.”

THE OTHER TWO SCHEMES:

  • ‘BRADFORD LIVE’:

This plan would see the Odeon become one of Yorkshire’s largest live performance venues.
Lee Craven is behind the Bradford Live project to strip out the old cinemas and bingo hall and restore the auditorium.
The venue would have a capacity of 4,000 with stalls or 3,500 when fully seated.
Mr Craven said if the plan was sucessful, it would be the third largest auditorium in Yorkshire, after the Sheffield and Leeds arenas, and the sixth largest in the north of England.

 

  • 'BRADFORD ONE'

The Odeon could be transformed into a £20 million venue and creative hub, under a plan by Bradford One.
The proposal includes a 2,000-capacity music venue as well as a five-storey new-build on an empty space behind the Odeon, which would become office space for creative industries.
The Odeon would be given a triple-height glass frontage designed to allow people to see into and out of the building while also reflecting City Park opposite.
Bradford One, which has more than 350 members, would contract out the running of the venue but would remain custodians, and profits could be put into other community projects.

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6:35am Fri 31 Jan 14

RosieRed says...

Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!!
Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!! RosieRed
  • Score: -19

6:44am Fri 31 Jan 14

allannicho says...

What imaginative idea, could be a winner and help Bradford swimmers
complete Nationally as well as recreation for people.
Problem would be the huge Muslim Population of Bradford, Females would have to have their own Times/Days etc etc.
What imaginative idea, could be a winner and help Bradford swimmers complete Nationally as well as recreation for people. Problem would be the huge Muslim Population of Bradford, Females would have to have their own Times/Days etc etc. allannicho
  • Score: 12

6:57am Fri 31 Jan 14

Albion. says...

RosieRed wrote:
Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!!
If you HAD bothered to read it, you would realise that these ideas are from developers and NOT the council.
[quote][p][bold]RosieRed[/bold] wrote: Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!![/p][/quote]If you HAD bothered to read it, you would realise that these ideas are from developers and NOT the council. Albion.
  • Score: 45

7:17am Fri 31 Jan 14

The Local Observer says...

This would be such a great asset, not only to Bradford, but to surrounding areas too. Let's really hope that this project can 'get up & running' Let's all Think Positively.
This would be such a great asset, not only to Bradford, but to surrounding areas too. Let's really hope that this project can 'get up & running' Let's all Think Positively. The Local Observer
  • Score: 29

7:22am Fri 31 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

It all sounds like fantasy to me.

Most likely it'll be demolished and the space will be for some poxy flats (which seems to the usual conclusion when destroying something of value).
It all sounds like fantasy to me. Most likely it'll be demolished and the space will be for some poxy flats (which seems to the usual conclusion when destroying something of value). The Hoffster
  • Score: -23

7:23am Fri 31 Jan 14

thatsnotmyname says...

allannicho wrote:
What imaginative idea, could be a winner and help Bradford swimmers
complete Nationally as well as recreation for people.
Problem would be the huge Muslim Population of Bradford, Females would have to have their own Times/Days etc etc.
This happens already in other pools so it wouldn't be a problem.
[quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: What imaginative idea, could be a winner and help Bradford swimmers complete Nationally as well as recreation for people. Problem would be the huge Muslim Population of Bradford, Females would have to have their own Times/Days etc etc.[/p][/quote]This happens already in other pools so it wouldn't be a problem. thatsnotmyname
  • Score: 9

8:12am Fri 31 Jan 14

Apollo says...

Compete and utter Jackanory story. Why does the T&A waste its time and ours on such rubbish.

They must know it will never, ever happen just like we all do. Get it off the front page and into the fiction section where it belongs.
Compete and utter Jackanory story. Why does the T&A waste its time and ours on such rubbish. They must know it will never, ever happen just like we all do. Get it off the front page and into the fiction section where it belongs. Apollo
  • Score: -15

8:21am Fri 31 Jan 14

thoughtout says...

The hilarious thing is that we used to have a pool next door that they closed and made into a nightclub

What a joke
The hilarious thing is that we used to have a pool next door that they closed and made into a nightclub What a joke thoughtout
  • Score: 51

8:25am Fri 31 Jan 14

Avro says...

Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route.
Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route. Avro
  • Score: 21

8:30am Fri 31 Jan 14

djmoulson says...

There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo.
There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo. djmoulson
  • Score: 44

8:53am Fri 31 Jan 14

Ruthydee says...

What a biased article - there are three bids of equal measure at this point , to focus on just one is misleading and for most people the headline is the only bit they may read. To shove the two other bids (calling them just that as well!) at the bottom of the page and writing paragraphs as opposed to the 18 stanza's dedicated to the swimming pool bid is appalling journalism and a discredit to your readers. I am hopeful that the two equally viable bids will receive full page writes ups too?
What a biased article - there are three bids of equal measure at this point , to focus on just one is misleading and for most people the headline is the only bit they may read. To shove the two other bids (calling them just that as well!) at the bottom of the page and writing paragraphs as opposed to the 18 stanza's dedicated to the swimming pool bid is appalling journalism and a discredit to your readers. I am hopeful that the two equally viable bids will receive full page writes ups too? Ruthydee
  • Score: 32

9:07am Fri 31 Jan 14

RosieRed says...

Albion. wrote:
RosieRed wrote:
Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!!
If you HAD bothered to read it, you would realise that these ideas are from developers and NOT the council.
It may be developers idea's however its the inept council that own the building and will ultimately have the last say,

FOR INSTANCE-"Bradford
s former Odeon building could be turned intoa “world class” city centre swimming pool and leisure centre in an ambitious £30 million scheme". ... complete with an eight-lane swimming pool"

Laughable....For a kick off a "world class pool" has 10 lanes and not the 8 mentioned. Its also 50mtr in length but I see they haven't bothered to even mentioned that .
This city is worth more than this, if we have an opportunity for a world class swimming pool the council needs to get it right, it needs to think long term and not a quick fix for a dilapidated city centre.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RosieRed[/bold] wrote: Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!![/p][/quote]If you HAD bothered to read it, you would realise that these ideas are from developers and NOT the council.[/p][/quote]It may be developers idea's however its the inept council that own the building and will ultimately have the last say, FOR INSTANCE-"Bradford s former Odeon building could be turned intoa “world class” city centre swimming pool and leisure centre in an ambitious £30 million scheme". ... complete with an eight-lane swimming pool" Laughable....For a kick off a "world class pool" has 10 lanes and not the 8 mentioned. Its also 50mtr in length but I see they haven't bothered to even mentioned that . This city is worth more than this, if we have an opportunity for a world class swimming pool the council needs to get it right, it needs to think long term and not a quick fix for a dilapidated city centre. RosieRed
  • Score: 24

9:12am Fri 31 Jan 14

Scargutt2 says...

If i'm perfectly honest I think all three ideas have merit and any of them would be extremely welcome as a first step in revitalising the city centre. The football last year acted as the catalyst, now the ball is in motion, Bradford feels to me like it is finally on the up. It will take time (and the removal from public life of all those associated with the last 20 years of failure - you know who you are), but it will happen.

It's just important that one of the schemes is completed at the Odeon, and hopefully at least one more could be completed elsewhere too.

Fingers crossed
If i'm perfectly honest I think all three ideas have merit and any of them would be extremely welcome as a first step in revitalising the city centre. The football last year acted as the catalyst, now the ball is in motion, Bradford feels to me like it is finally on the up. It will take time (and the removal from public life of all those associated with the last 20 years of failure - you know who you are), but it will happen. It's just important that one of the schemes is completed at the Odeon, and hopefully at least one more could be completed elsewhere too. Fingers crossed Scargutt2
  • Score: 27

9:14am Fri 31 Jan 14

tornshaunton says...

Is this private development be counted as 1 of the 3 state of the art pools that the council are going to build across the region after the closure of Bingley, Queensbury, Manningham, Richard Dunn & Bowling pools, or is the city centre going to have 2 "world class" pools ????
Is this private development be counted as 1 of the 3 state of the art pools that the council are going to build across the region after the closure of Bingley, Queensbury, Manningham, Richard Dunn & Bowling pools, or is the city centre going to have 2 "world class" pools ???? tornshaunton
  • Score: 9

9:15am Fri 31 Jan 14

Joedavid says...

RosieRed wrote:
Albion. wrote:
RosieRed wrote: Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!!
If you HAD bothered to read it, you would realise that these ideas are from developers and NOT the council.
It may be developers idea's however its the inept council that own the building and will ultimately have the last say, FOR INSTANCE-"Bradford
��s former Odeon building could be turned intoa “world class” city centre swimming pool and leisure centre in an ambitious £30 million scheme". ... complete with an eight-lane swimming pool" Laughable....For a kick off a "world class pool" has 10 lanes and not the 8 mentioned. Its also 50mtr in length but I see they haven't bothered to even mentioned that . This city is worth more than this, if we have an opportunity for a world class swimming pool the council needs to get it right, it needs to think long term and not a quick fix for a dilapidated city centre.
The building is FAN shaped, copied by Leeds Arena by the way, so will the 8 lanes tapper in width?
[quote][p][bold]RosieRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RosieRed[/bold] wrote: Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!![/p][/quote]If you HAD bothered to read it, you would realise that these ideas are from developers and NOT the council.[/p][/quote]It may be developers idea's however its the inept council that own the building and will ultimately have the last say, FOR INSTANCE-"Bradford ��s former Odeon building could be turned intoa “world class” city centre swimming pool and leisure centre in an ambitious £30 million scheme". ... complete with an eight-lane swimming pool" Laughable....For a kick off a "world class pool" has 10 lanes and not the 8 mentioned. Its also 50mtr in length but I see they haven't bothered to even mentioned that . This city is worth more than this, if we have an opportunity for a world class swimming pool the council needs to get it right, it needs to think long term and not a quick fix for a dilapidated city centre.[/p][/quote]The building is FAN shaped, copied by Leeds Arena by the way, so will the 8 lanes tapper in width? Joedavid
  • Score: 3

9:16am Fri 31 Jan 14

Bradford_Bantam says...

A world-class pool won't happen, there's one down the road in Leeds and one a little further away in Sheffield. The region can't sustain 3 pools of similar standing. As stated, it would have to be 10-lane, 50m with electronic timing and ample seating for spectator viewing.

Shipley pool (25m, no electrics, 8 lanes) already costs more to hire for the day than John Charles pool which has the metrics above! Easy to get to, with ample free parking. A private enterprise would be needing to make a profit - it'd be interested in seeing the proposed costs!

My vote for the Odeon would go to one of the other two bids (which have been covered substantially in previous articles) - lets get some music into the City Centre!
A world-class pool won't happen, there's one down the road in Leeds and one a little further away in Sheffield. The region can't sustain 3 pools of similar standing. As stated, it would have to be 10-lane, 50m with electronic timing and ample seating for spectator viewing. Shipley pool (25m, no electrics, 8 lanes) already costs more to hire for the day than John Charles pool which has the metrics above! Easy to get to, with ample free parking. A private enterprise would be needing to make a profit - it'd be interested in seeing the proposed costs! My vote for the Odeon would go to one of the other two bids (which have been covered substantially in previous articles) - lets get some music into the City Centre! Bradford_Bantam
  • Score: 25

9:31am Fri 31 Jan 14

linebacker2 says...

RosieRed wrote:
Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!!
You can be bothered to post, but can't be bothered to read the article you're posting on - do you expected to be taken seriously?
[quote][p][bold]RosieRed[/bold] wrote: Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!![/p][/quote]You can be bothered to post, but can't be bothered to read the article you're posting on - do you expected to be taken seriously? linebacker2
  • Score: 11

9:36am Fri 31 Jan 14

Bradford_Bantam says...

*To amend my previous post, Shipley is 6 lanes in fact!
*To amend my previous post, Shipley is 6 lanes in fact! Bradford_Bantam
  • Score: -2

9:37am Fri 31 Jan 14

Old Peculiar says...

In the tone of Duncan Bannatynne
"BRADFORD ?? £30 MILLION ??? I'M DEFINATELY OUT !!!"
In the tone of Duncan Bannatynne "BRADFORD ?? £30 MILLION ??? I'M DEFINATELY OUT !!!" Old Peculiar
  • Score: 4

9:56am Fri 31 Jan 14

GAMEKEEPER1809 says...

tornshaunton wrote:
Is this private development be counted as 1 of the 3 state of the art pools that the council are going to build across the region after the closure of Bingley, Queensbury, Manningham, Richard Dunn & Bowling pools, or is the city centre going to have 2 "world classNot only that, but there are far more deserved locations outside of bradford city center! BMDC have a track record for failing to keep up with maintenance and repairs to its buildings.
[quote][p][bold]tornshaunton[/bold] wrote: Is this private development be counted as 1 of the 3 state of the art pools that the council are going to build across the region after the closure of Bingley, Queensbury, Manningham, Richard Dunn & Bowling pools, or is the city centre going to have 2 "world classNot only that, but there are far more deserved locations outside of bradford city center! BMDC have a track record for failing to keep up with maintenance and repairs to its buildings. GAMEKEEPER1809
  • Score: 5

10:07am Fri 31 Jan 14

webshow says...

I like this idea. Can they also include a turkish bath that was stopped after alhambra took over windsor baths.
I like this idea. Can they also include a turkish bath that was stopped after alhambra took over windsor baths. webshow
  • Score: 2

10:28am Fri 31 Jan 14

Albion. says...

Avro wrote:
Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route.
The council didn't write this report. The other two ideas (both of which I would favour) were the sort of thing we had expected, whereas the pool idea is a big surprise. I should think preference will go to whoever can prove they have adequate funding in place.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route.[/p][/quote]The council didn't write this report. The other two ideas (both of which I would favour) were the sort of thing we had expected, whereas the pool idea is a big surprise. I should think preference will go to whoever can prove they have adequate funding in place. Albion.
  • Score: 9

10:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles. bcfc1903
  • Score: 20

10:49am Fri 31 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Just like to add that with a concert, arts and conference facility you get far more people from far and wide using hotels, restaurants and retail outlets, this city deserves far better than a bloody swimming pool!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Just like to add that with a concert, arts and conference facility you get far more people from far and wide using hotels, restaurants and retail outlets, this city deserves far better than a bloody swimming pool!!!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 23

10:53am Fri 31 Jan 14

Old Dave says...

I don't wish to be negative. In fact, I would love Bradford to have either a top music/entertainment venue or a really good pool/ leisure facility.
there are as many minuses as plusses and again I just think that the time that has passed, and the lack of a decision maker at council level, means that there is just as much chance of either project could be a white elephant as it could revitalise the city.

Look at the music option first. There are three real levels at which music venues operate; Stadiums, arenas holding 12-18000, and theatres of 1-2000. this could either mean that this creates a niche that loads of top acts want to perform at, or it is either too big for theatre acts, or too small for arena acts. The plus is that there is ample parking and public transport links within walking distance.

With the pool. will it compete with Leeds/Sheffield/Manc
hester for national/regional events? or are their facilities already too established and recognised for ours to compete? Will it be of championship standard? how will it be funded? would it end up being too expensive for locals to use if the council don't run it?

We need to give local people (within Bradford Metropolitan district and in surrounding areas) reasons to come to Bradford rather than go to leeds/sheffield/manc
hester. This could save the City Centre as it would mean footfall across the city between this venue ans the Westfield centre.
whatever is going to be there needs to be done quickly.
I don't wish to be negative. In fact, I would love Bradford to have either a top music/entertainment venue or a really good pool/ leisure facility. there are as many minuses as plusses and again I just think that the time that has passed, and the lack of a decision maker at council level, means that there is just as much chance of either project could be a white elephant as it could revitalise the city. Look at the music option first. There are three real levels at which music venues operate; Stadiums, arenas holding 12-18000, and theatres of 1-2000. this could either mean that this creates a niche that loads of top acts want to perform at, or it is either too big for theatre acts, or too small for arena acts. The plus is that there is ample parking and public transport links within walking distance. With the pool. will it compete with Leeds/Sheffield/Manc hester for national/regional events? or are their facilities already too established and recognised for ours to compete? Will it be of championship standard? how will it be funded? would it end up being too expensive for locals to use if the council don't run it? We need to give local people (within Bradford Metropolitan district and in surrounding areas) reasons to come to Bradford rather than go to leeds/sheffield/manc hester. This could save the City Centre as it would mean footfall across the city between this venue ans the Westfield centre. whatever is going to be there needs to be done quickly. Old Dave
  • Score: 9

10:58am Fri 31 Jan 14

RosieRed says...

linebacker2 wrote:
RosieRed wrote:
Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!!
You can be bothered to post, but can't be bothered to read the article you're posting on - do you expected to be taken seriously?
You can please yourself if you take me seriously or not !!!

"Grabbing headlines" yet within the first three paragraphs the article contradicts itself so why read any more (but I actually did).
1)"World Class Pool" with eight lanes ? ......requires 10
2) competition "standard" diving pool ? ...... so its a standard diving pool not a "world class" competition one
The council has a dilapidated city centre, a promise to council tax payers of a city centre swimming pool and a beautiful building that need bringing back to its former glory but they all don't necessarily need to go together.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RosieRed[/bold] wrote: Cannot be bothered to even reading this article....Just about read the headline before starting to say to myself....yes right-another pie in the sky idea from this inept council". I will believe it when I see it !!![/p][/quote]You can be bothered to post, but can't be bothered to read the article you're posting on - do you expected to be taken seriously?[/p][/quote]You can please yourself if you take me seriously or not !!! "Grabbing headlines" yet within the first three paragraphs the article contradicts itself so why read any more (but I actually did). 1)"World Class Pool" with eight lanes ? ......requires 10 2) competition "standard" diving pool ? ...... so its a standard diving pool not a "world class" competition one The council has a dilapidated city centre, a promise to council tax payers of a city centre swimming pool and a beautiful building that need bringing back to its former glory but they all don't necessarily need to go together. RosieRed
  • Score: -7

11:17am Fri 31 Jan 14

JerLaner says...

I smell a rat! wasn't it only late last year that the Council advised they would be looking to close swimming pools across Bradford with a view to building a small number of new pools including one in the city centre. How convenient then that one of the three options is a new pool.

I know this has been mentioned above but we had a pool only a stones throw away from this site, Windsor baths, but what did the council decide to do with it, yes, close it!.
I smell a rat! wasn't it only late last year that the Council advised they would be looking to close swimming pools across Bradford with a view to building a small number of new pools including one in the city centre. How convenient then that one of the three options is a new pool. I know this has been mentioned above but we had a pool only a stones throw away from this site, Windsor baths, but what did the council decide to do with it, yes, close it!. JerLaner
  • Score: 15

11:31am Fri 31 Jan 14

theoutsider says...

RIDICULOUS IDEA! - NEEDS TO BE A CONCERT VENUE - REPEAT A CONCERT VENUE !

We slewed £30million into a 'duck pond' 100 yards aways, how much bleeding water do we need in the space of 100sq yards?. Let the 'multitudes' continue to paddle in t'City Park.
RIDICULOUS IDEA! - NEEDS TO BE A CONCERT VENUE - REPEAT A CONCERT VENUE ! We slewed £30million into a 'duck pond' 100 yards aways, how much bleeding water do we need in the space of 100sq yards?. Let the 'multitudes' continue to paddle in t'City Park. theoutsider
  • Score: 15

11:45am Fri 31 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Just like to add that with a concert, arts and conference facility you get far more people from far and wide using hotels, restaurants and retail outlets, this city deserves far better than a bloody swimming pool!!!!!!!
Here here

We dont need another swimming pool especially one in the town centre

We need an entertainment venue as that whats lacking in Bradford more than anything else
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Just like to add that with a concert, arts and conference facility you get far more people from far and wide using hotels, restaurants and retail outlets, this city deserves far better than a bloody swimming pool!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Here here We dont need another swimming pool especially one in the town centre We need an entertainment venue as that whats lacking in Bradford more than anything else Andy2010
  • Score: 16

11:46am Fri 31 Jan 14

Peter.Expat says...

thoughtout wrote:
The hilarious thing is that we used to have a pool next door that they closed and made into a nightclub

What a joke
A pool that the council abused the goodwill and dedication of Bradford Festival (as was) who turned into a vibrant and popular live venue/arts space only to have all their hard work thrown back in their faces when the same council refused to support them preferring to sell the building instead. A decision that was made mainly as a result of political bickering rather than for the good of the people of Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]thoughtout[/bold] wrote: The hilarious thing is that we used to have a pool next door that they closed and made into a nightclub What a joke[/p][/quote]A pool that the council abused the goodwill and dedication of Bradford Festival (as was) who turned into a vibrant and popular live venue/arts space only to have all their hard work thrown back in their faces when the same council refused to support them preferring to sell the building instead. A decision that was made mainly as a result of political bickering rather than for the good of the people of Bradford. Peter.Expat
  • Score: 5

11:52am Fri 31 Jan 14

Apollo says...

I cannot believe that anyone is taking any of these ideas seriously. Come on folks this is Bradford get real.

We are already the laughing stock of the country for paying over £30m for a puddle.

Bradford city centre is dead and buried. Please do not expect and serious redevelopment to take place.

The whole story is laughable.
I cannot believe that anyone is taking any of these ideas seriously. Come on folks this is Bradford get real. We are already the laughing stock of the country for paying over £30m for a puddle. Bradford city centre is dead and buried. Please do not expect and serious redevelopment to take place. The whole story is laughable. Apollo
  • Score: 3

12:09pm Fri 31 Jan 14

MontyLeMar says...

djmoulson wrote:
There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo.
But that's the big unknown isn't it? Could we ever compete with the likes of Manchester Apollo or even the Leeds Arena? If it fails as a music venue then it's back to square one. With a leisure complex at least we have several activities which could draw in the spending public though I'm not so sure about a swimming pool. I mean, where will the swimmers park? Even when The Gaumont was in its heyday with bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Acker Bilk, Cliff and all the rest appearing, it still relied on income from showing films to the general public. It's a gamble either way and with Leeds next door booming, it's a brave businessman who invests his/her millions in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo.[/p][/quote]But that's the big unknown isn't it? Could we ever compete with the likes of Manchester Apollo or even the Leeds Arena? If it fails as a music venue then it's back to square one. With a leisure complex at least we have several activities which could draw in the spending public though I'm not so sure about a swimming pool. I mean, where will the swimmers park? Even when The Gaumont was in its heyday with bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Acker Bilk, Cliff and all the rest appearing, it still relied on income from showing films to the general public. It's a gamble either way and with Leeds next door booming, it's a brave businessman who invests his/her millions in Bradford. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Fri 31 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor? SinnerSaint
  • Score: 4

12:23pm Fri 31 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

I wonder if Leeds City Council has pressured Bradford council regarding the Leeds Arena and the proposed Bradford music facility, if this has taken place it should be ignored, after all Westfield intimated the White Rose extension could damage the prospect of Westfield being built, what happened, the White Rose extension was given the green light by Leeds City Council. That council does what's best for Leeds and quite rightly so. Bradford council should take note and do what's best for Bradford, a swimming pool doesn't cut it in regards to a major city centre facility and if chosen would be laughable and could have dire political consequences. Bradford is doing better of late, getting more footfall in the evening can only be done by having a music venue not a swimming pool.
I wonder if Leeds City Council has pressured Bradford council regarding the Leeds Arena and the proposed Bradford music facility, if this has taken place it should be ignored, after all Westfield intimated the White Rose extension could damage the prospect of Westfield being built, what happened, the White Rose extension was given the green light by Leeds City Council. That council does what's best for Leeds and quite rightly so. Bradford council should take note and do what's best for Bradford, a swimming pool doesn't cut it in regards to a major city centre facility and if chosen would be laughable and could have dire political consequences. Bradford is doing better of late, getting more footfall in the evening can only be done by having a music venue not a swimming pool. bcfc1903
  • Score: 6

12:32pm Fri 31 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?[/p][/quote]Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

12:32pm Fri 31 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?[/p][/quote]Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city. bcfc1903
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Avro says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Just like to add that with a concert, arts and conference facility you get far more people from far and wide using hotels, restaurants and retail outlets, this city deserves far better than a bloody swimming pool!!!!!!!
Here here

We dont need another swimming pool especially one in the town centre

We need an entertainment venue as that whats lacking in Bradford more than anything else
We had a pool in the town centre (Winsor Baths) just around the corner from the Odeon, which they pulled the plug on before the plug was pulled on the Odeon.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Just like to add that with a concert, arts and conference facility you get far more people from far and wide using hotels, restaurants and retail outlets, this city deserves far better than a bloody swimming pool!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Here here We dont need another swimming pool especially one in the town centre We need an entertainment venue as that whats lacking in Bradford more than anything else[/p][/quote]We had a pool in the town centre (Winsor Baths) just around the corner from the Odeon, which they pulled the plug on before the plug was pulled on the Odeon. Avro
  • Score: 11

12:38pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Avro says...

Albion. wrote:
Avro wrote:
Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route.
The council didn't write this report. The other two ideas (both of which I would favour) were the sort of thing we had expected, whereas the pool idea is a big surprise. I should think preference will go to whoever can prove they have adequate funding in place.
Its biased reporting, just look at the size of the pool article set against the other two bids in the same articel!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route.[/p][/quote]The council didn't write this report. The other two ideas (both of which I would favour) were the sort of thing we had expected, whereas the pool idea is a big surprise. I should think preference will go to whoever can prove they have adequate funding in place.[/p][/quote]Its biased reporting, just look at the size of the pool article set against the other two bids in the same articel! Avro
  • Score: 8

12:40pm Fri 31 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.
Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?[/p][/quote]Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.[/p][/quote]Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Fri 31 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.
Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?[/p][/quote]Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.[/p][/quote]Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.[/p][/quote]In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 5

12:44pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo.
But that's the big unknown isn't it? Could we ever compete with the likes of Manchester Apollo or even the Leeds Arena? If it fails as a music venue then it's back to square one. With a leisure complex at least we have several activities which could draw in the spending public though I'm not so sure about a swimming pool. I mean, where will the swimmers park? Even when The Gaumont was in its heyday with bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Acker Bilk, Cliff and all the rest appearing, it still relied on income from showing films to the general public. It's a gamble either way and with Leeds next door booming, it's a brave businessman who invests his/her millions in Bradford.
Obviously It cant compete with the Leeds Arena either on size or the quality of acts that appear but could be on par with the O2 academy in Leeds which draws in the crowds week on week with various acts
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo.[/p][/quote]But that's the big unknown isn't it? Could we ever compete with the likes of Manchester Apollo or even the Leeds Arena? If it fails as a music venue then it's back to square one. With a leisure complex at least we have several activities which could draw in the spending public though I'm not so sure about a swimming pool. I mean, where will the swimmers park? Even when The Gaumont was in its heyday with bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Acker Bilk, Cliff and all the rest appearing, it still relied on income from showing films to the general public. It's a gamble either way and with Leeds next door booming, it's a brave businessman who invests his/her millions in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Obviously It cant compete with the Leeds Arena either on size or the quality of acts that appear but could be on par with the O2 academy in Leeds which draws in the crowds week on week with various acts Andy2010
  • Score: 10

12:55pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Joedavid says...

Andy2010 wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
djmoulson wrote: There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo.
But that's the big unknown isn't it? Could we ever compete with the likes of Manchester Apollo or even the Leeds Arena? If it fails as a music venue then it's back to square one. With a leisure complex at least we have several activities which could draw in the spending public though I'm not so sure about a swimming pool. I mean, where will the swimmers park? Even when The Gaumont was in its heyday with bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Acker Bilk, Cliff and all the rest appearing, it still relied on income from showing films to the general public. It's a gamble either way and with Leeds next door booming, it's a brave businessman who invests his/her millions in Bradford.
Obviously It cant compete with the Leeds Arena either on size or the quality of acts that appear but could be on par with the O2 academy in Leeds which draws in the crowds week on week with various acts
One proposal same size as O2 Leeds the other double the size of the O2 Leeds. Leeds First Direct arena is 13000, so could not compete with Leeds when using it is using full capacity.
New Victoria/Odeon with 3500/4000 capacity would be in between the Leeds venues rather a good fit I would think.
Also remember Leeds First Direct is fan shaped like the New Victoria auditorium was. Another fact is both New Victoria and O2 academy were Gaumonts.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: There used to be an 'urban garden' on there when Bradford Council allowed the building to rot for propaganda purposes!! Good to see private companies not tied to the council bidding at last. I've worked with Rance Booth Smith before and they've completed some very good schemes before. Personally I'd choose Bradford Live and kick start some popular culture back in the City with a large live venue akin to Manchester Apollo.[/p][/quote]But that's the big unknown isn't it? Could we ever compete with the likes of Manchester Apollo or even the Leeds Arena? If it fails as a music venue then it's back to square one. With a leisure complex at least we have several activities which could draw in the spending public though I'm not so sure about a swimming pool. I mean, where will the swimmers park? Even when The Gaumont was in its heyday with bands like The Beatles, The Stones, Acker Bilk, Cliff and all the rest appearing, it still relied on income from showing films to the general public. It's a gamble either way and with Leeds next door booming, it's a brave businessman who invests his/her millions in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Obviously It cant compete with the Leeds Arena either on size or the quality of acts that appear but could be on par with the O2 academy in Leeds which draws in the crowds week on week with various acts[/p][/quote]One proposal same size as O2 Leeds the other double the size of the O2 Leeds. Leeds First Direct arena is 13000, so could not compete with Leeds when using it is using full capacity. New Victoria/Odeon with 3500/4000 capacity would be in between the Leeds venues rather a good fit I would think. Also remember Leeds First Direct is fan shaped like the New Victoria auditorium was. Another fact is both New Victoria and O2 academy were Gaumonts. Joedavid
  • Score: 6

1:09pm Fri 31 Jan 14

m.r.c says...

It's encouraging that there are three bids on the table. Bradford Live would be my choice. Not only does it retained the façade but also the interior. Also this bid is likely to have the biggest knock on effect to other city centre establishments.
It's encouraging that there are three bids on the table. Bradford Live would be my choice. Not only does it retained the façade but also the interior. Also this bid is likely to have the biggest knock on effect to other city centre establishments. m.r.c
  • Score: 9

1:15pm Fri 31 Jan 14

MrQuinque says...

The idea of a pool on the Odeon site is absurd. Not only would such a plan require the demolition of most of the building which people struggled for 10 years to save but it would also be far to small to be considered an asset to the city centre.

Any new City centre pool must not only contain olympic standard swimming and diving pools (which the Leeds John Charles centre is NOT) but it must also have a recreational aquatic centre which is a match for any in the country (Waterworld in Stoke and Sandcastle in Blackpool both attract wellin excess 300,000 visitors a year) and there is a site in the city centre which is becoming available, would fit such a complex and which would be easy to find for anyone not familiar with Bradford, the former Royam mail sorting office site at Forster Square. Such a project would not only provide world class facilities to Bradford's educational institutions (a big deal when attempting to attract overseas students) but would also have the whole of west yorkshire as its catchment area because nothing similar exists in the region.

Another 25m pool isn't going to do a **** thing for the City of Bradford, we need a little shock and awe, the City park was a start (I for one rather like it), a restored Odeon will be another step, as will getting the NMM on an even keel, but Bradford needs another big attraction to get people into the City otherwise we're going nowhere.


Oh, and if Dunn's is closing the best thing for it would be a nice free to use Tarmac velodrome and a Skate/BMX plaza, if the council got a wriggle on they could even announce it as part of the TDF yorkshire grand depart and grab a few headlines.
The idea of a pool on the Odeon site is absurd. Not only would such a plan require the demolition of most of the building which people struggled for 10 years to save but it would also be far to small to be considered an asset to the city centre. Any new City centre pool must not only contain olympic standard swimming and diving pools (which the Leeds John Charles centre is NOT) but it must also have a recreational aquatic centre which is a match for any in the country (Waterworld in Stoke and Sandcastle in Blackpool both attract wellin excess 300,000 visitors a year) and there is a site in the city centre which is becoming available, would fit such a complex and which would be easy to find for anyone not familiar with Bradford, the former Royam mail sorting office site at Forster Square. Such a project would not only provide world class facilities to Bradford's educational institutions (a big deal when attempting to attract overseas students) but would also have the whole of west yorkshire as its catchment area because nothing similar exists in the region. Another 25m pool isn't going to do a **** thing for the City of Bradford, we need a little shock and awe, the City park was a start (I for one rather like it), a restored Odeon will be another step, as will getting the NMM on an even keel, but Bradford needs another big attraction to get people into the City otherwise we're going nowhere. Oh, and if Dunn's is closing the best thing for it would be a nice free to use Tarmac velodrome and a Skate/BMX plaza, if the council got a wriggle on they could even announce it as part of the TDF yorkshire grand depart and grab a few headlines. MrQuinque
  • Score: 15

1:17pm Fri 31 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.
Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool.
I'm truly crushed SS

Now you seem mention Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe in every post. Why on earth would you want google it, that doesn't sound great, if it was mentioned in the Westfield threads it must have been in regards to the regeneration of Bradford city centre with the Odeon being another eyesore in need of developing. Obviously it's a suggestion to call that proposed music venue after a world class composer, a world class artist and a world class poet all from Bradford, but having seen what the new Bradford college facility is being named what is so unusual in a name that pays homage to great people from our city. Google Hockney, I'm sure there are numerous links.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?[/p][/quote]Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.[/p][/quote]Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.[/p][/quote]In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool.[/p][/quote]I'm truly crushed SS Now you seem mention Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe in every post. Why on earth would you want google it, that doesn't sound great, if it was mentioned in the Westfield threads it must have been in regards to the regeneration of Bradford city centre with the Odeon being another eyesore in need of developing. Obviously it's a suggestion to call that proposed music venue after a world class composer, a world class artist and a world class poet all from Bradford, but having seen what the new Bradford college facility is being named what is so unusual in a name that pays homage to great people from our city. Google Hockney, I'm sure there are numerous links. bcfc1903
  • Score: -3

1:48pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Albion. says...

Avro wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Avro wrote:
Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route.
The council didn't write this report. The other two ideas (both of which I would favour) were the sort of thing we had expected, whereas the pool idea is a big surprise. I should think preference will go to whoever can prove they have adequate funding in place.
Its biased reporting, just look at the size of the pool article set against the other two bids in the same articel!
I don't agree and you obviously don't agree with my explanation, so think what you like.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Given the coverage of the Swimming pool bid, and the other two bids being shunted at the end, therefore I fully expect the council to run with the swimming pool bid, as it appears this highlight is a council attempt to sway public opinion down thie route.[/p][/quote]The council didn't write this report. The other two ideas (both of which I would favour) were the sort of thing we had expected, whereas the pool idea is a big surprise. I should think preference will go to whoever can prove they have adequate funding in place.[/p][/quote]Its biased reporting, just look at the size of the pool article set against the other two bids in the same articel![/p][/quote]I don't agree and you obviously don't agree with my explanation, so think what you like. Albion.
  • Score: -2

1:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.
Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool.
I'm truly crushed SS

Now you seem mention Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe in every post. Why on earth would you want google it, that doesn't sound great, if it was mentioned in the Westfield threads it must have been in regards to the regeneration of Bradford city centre with the Odeon being another eyesore in need of developing. Obviously it's a suggestion to call that proposed music venue after a world class composer, a world class artist and a world class poet all from Bradford, but having seen what the new Bradford college facility is being named what is so unusual in a name that pays homage to great people from our city. Google Hockney, I'm sure there are numerous links.
I like the way you've tried to turn that around Jim. The Media Museum, Westfield, The Bulls, the pond - you squeeze it in at every opportunity. It's very tedious, you just like saying it because you are a tedious fool.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?[/p][/quote]Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.[/p][/quote]Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.[/p][/quote]In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool.[/p][/quote]I'm truly crushed SS Now you seem mention Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe in every post. Why on earth would you want google it, that doesn't sound great, if it was mentioned in the Westfield threads it must have been in regards to the regeneration of Bradford city centre with the Odeon being another eyesore in need of developing. Obviously it's a suggestion to call that proposed music venue after a world class composer, a world class artist and a world class poet all from Bradford, but having seen what the new Bradford college facility is being named what is so unusual in a name that pays homage to great people from our city. Google Hockney, I'm sure there are numerous links.[/p][/quote]I like the way you've tried to turn that around Jim. The Media Museum, Westfield, The Bulls, the pond - you squeeze it in at every opportunity. It's very tedious, you just like saying it because you are a tedious fool. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Fri 31 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.
Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now.

It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?
Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.
Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool.
I'm truly crushed SS

Now you seem mention Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe in every post. Why on earth would you want google it, that doesn't sound great, if it was mentioned in the Westfield threads it must have been in regards to the regeneration of Bradford city centre with the Odeon being another eyesore in need of developing. Obviously it's a suggestion to call that proposed music venue after a world class composer, a world class artist and a world class poet all from Bradford, but having seen what the new Bradford college facility is being named what is so unusual in a name that pays homage to great people from our city. Google Hockney, I'm sure there are numerous links.
I like the way you've tried to turn that around Jim. The Media Museum, Westfield, The Bulls, the pond - you squeeze it in at every opportunity. It's very tedious, you just like saying it because you are a tedious fool.
Thanks, regarding the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe, I do my very best.

You may of course be a slow reader which can lead to tedium, you do seem to have read all my stuff, , I'll take that as a compliment you old stalker you.

I take it you're not a fan of the new Bradford college facility being named the Hockney building or the Priestley centre now of course the Bradford Playhouse or even the Appleton Academy in Wyke.

Of course Bradford City council may have come under pressure from Leeds City council as I alluded to above in regards to a proposed Bradford music venue and the Leeds Arena, that of course should be ignored as Leeds City Council Ignored Westfields reservations about the White Rose extension. Bradford City council should do what is right for Bradford and that certainly isn't the Odeon building becoming a swimming pool.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Bradford Live is the obvious choice, a swimming pool will not bring in visitors from far and wide, a world class swimming facility would surely have a 50metre pool. What is it about swimming pools, I'd go to Shipley pool if I wanted a swim. Let the City of Bradford, one of the major cities in the UK, have what it needs, a concert and conference centre with a 4,000 capacity to attract world class artists and large conferences. Name it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe not only a classy name for a world class facility but also a 'tip hat' to old Bradford German community that did so much to make Bradford a world leader in exporting textiles.[/p][/quote]Any chance of you stopping with the Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe bollards? Every bloody comment you post, it's getting a bit tedious now. It's a **** name anyway but you do realise that nearly all music venues these days adopt the name of the sponsor?[/p][/quote]Not really, I've mentioned the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe name only on the Odeon threads. Of course it could have a sponsors name also, a bit like Valley Parade is also the Coral Windows Stadium, you may think it's a **** name, but your taste isn't that great is it. Why not have a name that gives homage to the city's history, gives a world class facility something different and unique to this city.[/p][/quote]Only on the Odeon articles? And all the Westfield ones and any other post where you can squeeze it in. You've proven time and time again with your contradictions and bluster that you talk out of your ****. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.[/p][/quote]In fact, Google Delius Rothenstein and Wolfe and you'll see exactly how much you go on about it you massive tool.[/p][/quote]I'm truly crushed SS Now you seem mention Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe in every post. Why on earth would you want google it, that doesn't sound great, if it was mentioned in the Westfield threads it must have been in regards to the regeneration of Bradford city centre with the Odeon being another eyesore in need of developing. Obviously it's a suggestion to call that proposed music venue after a world class composer, a world class artist and a world class poet all from Bradford, but having seen what the new Bradford college facility is being named what is so unusual in a name that pays homage to great people from our city. Google Hockney, I'm sure there are numerous links.[/p][/quote]I like the way you've tried to turn that around Jim. The Media Museum, Westfield, The Bulls, the pond - you squeeze it in at every opportunity. It's very tedious, you just like saying it because you are a tedious fool.[/p][/quote]Thanks, regarding the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe, I do my very best. You may of course be a slow reader which can lead to tedium, you do seem to have read all my stuff, , I'll take that as a compliment you old stalker you. I take it you're not a fan of the new Bradford college facility being named the Hockney building or the Priestley centre now of course the Bradford Playhouse or even the Appleton Academy in Wyke. Of course Bradford City council may have come under pressure from Leeds City council as I alluded to above in regards to a proposed Bradford music venue and the Leeds Arena, that of course should be ignored as Leeds City Council Ignored Westfields reservations about the White Rose extension. Bradford City council should do what is right for Bradford and that certainly isn't the Odeon building becoming a swimming pool. bcfc1903
  • Score: 3

4:16pm Fri 31 Jan 14

alive and awake says...

Pull it down fgs.
Pull it down fgs. alive and awake
  • Score: -14

5:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

modman61 says...

Lets hope it becomes a music venue. St Georges Hall is getting a little dated now.
Lets hope it becomes a music venue. St Georges Hall is getting a little dated now. modman61
  • Score: 11

8:38pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Should deffo be a music venue, who knows, it may even tempt Belinda Carlisle and Rick Astley back to Bradford ;)
Should deffo be a music venue, who knows, it may even tempt Belinda Carlisle and Rick Astley back to Bradford ;) Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 1

9:34pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Helen28 says...

what happened to Bradford College taking it over for a 6th form centre?
what happened to Bradford College taking it over for a 6th form centre? Helen28
  • Score: -7

3:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Music is the way.
1.Spend ability of visitors from outside
2.Compliment well run Alhambra
3.Swim pool at Windsor never used enough so closed through perhaps lack of family car parking...still would be problem
4.3 new hotels in last 4 years need filling not to mention the poor old Midland that has had to try exist next to hole for 10 years
5.Gap in the market for West Riding conurbation including Halifax Huddersfield and all large population centres within 30 miles.

Reference made to Appollo Manchester which holds 3500.

Last year had to take daughter and all three nights packed for Ed sheerhan.
Thousands of kids in a run down area of Manchester and waiting parents from Nottingham London all over the country waiting for their kids and needing to SPEND.I was one.

This year Ed Sheerhan plays the new 13000 seat Leeds Arena.

This type of venue sponsored by O2 hosts those on the way up and those still popular but perhaps not big enough to fill an arena.


The demise of CD sales to practically zero means artists need to live perform more and more in 21 st century Britain.
That's not going to change.

So why go for a swim pool when its only 10 years ago that one 50 yards away failed?

Only locals would use that and spend little in the town.

Think wider Bradford.
We cannot live on bread alone.

But looks like good old Andrew Thornton has come up with another gem plugging his swimming pool twaddle.

This was given to the people of Bradford by Eric pickles HCA.

Now take the views of your electorate seriously and go for the Music idea.

4000 sounds good.Even 3500.Thats what the Appollo holds and it appeared shabby but packed.

The days of the live performer are with us again.
Except in Bradford.

Happy memories of seeing Sabbath,Genesis and many others including Quo at St Georges.

when Bradford had something for its young to offer.

Cant remember Rothenstein or Delius BCFC 1903?
How old are you 259?

Sure they were good in there day though.
As was Bradford and things like this could make it happen again.
Get on with it Reeves and David Green.
Music is the way. 1.Spend ability of visitors from outside 2.Compliment well run Alhambra 3.Swim pool at Windsor never used enough so closed through perhaps lack of family car parking...still would be problem 4.3 new hotels in last 4 years need filling not to mention the poor old Midland that has had to try exist next to hole for 10 years 5.Gap in the market for West Riding conurbation including Halifax Huddersfield and all large population centres within 30 miles. Reference made to Appollo Manchester which holds 3500. Last year had to take daughter and all three nights packed for Ed sheerhan. Thousands of kids in a run down area of Manchester and waiting parents from Nottingham London all over the country waiting for their kids and needing to SPEND.I was one. This year Ed Sheerhan plays the new 13000 seat Leeds Arena. This type of venue sponsored by O2 hosts those on the way up and those still popular but perhaps not big enough to fill an arena. The demise of CD sales to practically zero means artists need to live perform more and more in 21 st century Britain. That's not going to change. So why go for a swim pool when its only 10 years ago that one 50 yards away failed? Only locals would use that and spend little in the town. Think wider Bradford. We cannot live on bread alone. But looks like good old Andrew Thornton has come up with another gem plugging his swimming pool twaddle. This was given to the people of Bradford by Eric pickles HCA. Now take the views of your electorate seriously and go for the Music idea. 4000 sounds good.Even 3500.Thats what the Appollo holds and it appeared shabby but packed. The days of the live performer are with us again. Except in Bradford. Happy memories of seeing Sabbath,Genesis and many others including Quo at St Georges. when Bradford had something for its young to offer. Cant remember Rothenstein or Delius BCFC 1903? How old are you 259? Sure they were good in there day though. As was Bradford and things like this could make it happen again. Get on with it Reeves and David Green. Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 9

9:27am Sat 1 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Arhmen Noleg wrote:
Music is the way.
1.Spend ability of visitors from outside
2.Compliment well run Alhambra
3.Swim pool at Windsor never used enough so closed through perhaps lack of family car parking...still would be problem
4.3 new hotels in last 4 years need filling not to mention the poor old Midland that has had to try exist next to hole for 10 years
5.Gap in the market for West Riding conurbation including Halifax Huddersfield and all large population centres within 30 miles.

Reference made to Appollo Manchester which holds 3500.

Last year had to take daughter and all three nights packed for Ed sheerhan.
Thousands of kids in a run down area of Manchester and waiting parents from Nottingham London all over the country waiting for their kids and needing to SPEND.I was one.

This year Ed Sheerhan plays the new 13000 seat Leeds Arena.

This type of venue sponsored by O2 hosts those on the way up and those still popular but perhaps not big enough to fill an arena.


The demise of CD sales to practically zero means artists need to live perform more and more in 21 st century Britain.
That's not going to change.

So why go for a swim pool when its only 10 years ago that one 50 yards away failed?

Only locals would use that and spend little in the town.

Think wider Bradford.
We cannot live on bread alone.

But looks like good old Andrew Thornton has come up with another gem plugging his swimming pool twaddle.

This was given to the people of Bradford by Eric pickles HCA.

Now take the views of your electorate seriously and go for the Music idea.

4000 sounds good.Even 3500.Thats what the Appollo holds and it appeared shabby but packed.

The days of the live performer are with us again.
Except in Bradford.

Happy memories of seeing Sabbath,Genesis and many others including Quo at St Georges.

when Bradford had something for its young to offer.

Cant remember Rothenstein or Delius BCFC 1903?
How old are you 259?

Sure they were good in there day though.
As was Bradford and things like this could make it happen again.
Get on with it Reeves and David Green.
What an excellent post Arhmen Noleg, agree with all that, even my age, I feel that old haha.

Bradford council needs to point out to whoever may object to the Bradford One proposed scheme , (and make no mistake there will be rumblings ten miles east) ....the well being of Bradford comes before any perceived neighbourly etiquette. Bradford, a major UK city can't be a footfall desert in the evening and if Leeds city council think Bradford is stepping on the Leeds arenas toes with the Bradford One scheme they are looking at that from a Leeds only view point. Bradford backed Leeds all the way in helping them stop the regional Child heart unit from closing, I along with hundreds of other BCFC fans signed the petition outside Valley Parade and I believe Leeds City Council helped Bradford when the Media Museum was threatened with closure, so there are occasions when the twin cities work together. So if Leeds city council have reservations about Bradford One they need to look at the big picture, Bradford needs a new world class music venue and Bradford council should on this occasion say to any objectors from outside the city that this scheme is instrumental to the well being of the City of Bradford.........REF
URBISH/ BUILD IT!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: Music is the way. 1.Spend ability of visitors from outside 2.Compliment well run Alhambra 3.Swim pool at Windsor never used enough so closed through perhaps lack of family car parking...still would be problem 4.3 new hotels in last 4 years need filling not to mention the poor old Midland that has had to try exist next to hole for 10 years 5.Gap in the market for West Riding conurbation including Halifax Huddersfield and all large population centres within 30 miles. Reference made to Appollo Manchester which holds 3500. Last year had to take daughter and all three nights packed for Ed sheerhan. Thousands of kids in a run down area of Manchester and waiting parents from Nottingham London all over the country waiting for their kids and needing to SPEND.I was one. This year Ed Sheerhan plays the new 13000 seat Leeds Arena. This type of venue sponsored by O2 hosts those on the way up and those still popular but perhaps not big enough to fill an arena. The demise of CD sales to practically zero means artists need to live perform more and more in 21 st century Britain. That's not going to change. So why go for a swim pool when its only 10 years ago that one 50 yards away failed? Only locals would use that and spend little in the town. Think wider Bradford. We cannot live on bread alone. But looks like good old Andrew Thornton has come up with another gem plugging his swimming pool twaddle. This was given to the people of Bradford by Eric pickles HCA. Now take the views of your electorate seriously and go for the Music idea. 4000 sounds good.Even 3500.Thats what the Appollo holds and it appeared shabby but packed. The days of the live performer are with us again. Except in Bradford. Happy memories of seeing Sabbath,Genesis and many others including Quo at St Georges. when Bradford had something for its young to offer. Cant remember Rothenstein or Delius BCFC 1903? How old are you 259? Sure they were good in there day though. As was Bradford and things like this could make it happen again. Get on with it Reeves and David Green.[/p][/quote]What an excellent post Arhmen Noleg, agree with all that, even my age, I feel that old haha. Bradford council needs to point out to whoever may object to the Bradford One proposed scheme , (and make no mistake there will be rumblings ten miles east) ....the well being of Bradford comes before any perceived neighbourly etiquette. Bradford, a major UK city can't be a footfall desert in the evening and if Leeds city council think Bradford is stepping on the Leeds arenas toes with the Bradford One scheme they are looking at that from a Leeds only view point. Bradford backed Leeds all the way in helping them stop the regional Child heart unit from closing, I along with hundreds of other BCFC fans signed the petition outside Valley Parade and I believe Leeds City Council helped Bradford when the Media Museum was threatened with closure, so there are occasions when the twin cities work together. So if Leeds city council have reservations about Bradford One they need to look at the big picture, Bradford needs a new world class music venue and Bradford council should on this occasion say to any objectors from outside the city that this scheme is instrumental to the well being of the City of Bradford.........REF URBISH/ BUILD IT!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 1

9:30am Sat 1 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

That should be BRADFORD LIVE scheme.
That should be BRADFORD LIVE scheme. bcfc1903
  • Score: 1

11:36am Sun 2 Feb 14

chard501 says...

Make it a music venue. Back it up with a policy to create heavily policed corridors of safety running from the train stations to the music venue, city square and the theatre. Along those corridors put in what Bradford is actually good at: real ale pubs and top curry houses. This would bring people from outside Bradford into the city centre. This is important as a music venue of the size planned would only work if you attract the students/young professionals across from Leeds etc to spend their money. Afterall, who in Bradford is going to spend £30+ on gig tickets.
Make it a music venue. Back it up with a policy to create heavily policed corridors of safety running from the train stations to the music venue, city square and the theatre. Along those corridors put in what Bradford is actually good at: real ale pubs and top curry houses. This would bring people from outside Bradford into the city centre. This is important as a music venue of the size planned would only work if you attract the students/young professionals across from Leeds etc to spend their money. Afterall, who in Bradford is going to spend £30+ on gig tickets. chard501
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Sun 2 Feb 14

realcitygent says...

think bradford council should make it the worlds largest poundshop then with money left over we could build another paddling pool for all the chavs ,dole dossers
think bradford council should make it the worlds largest poundshop then with money left over we could build another paddling pool for all the chavs ,dole dossers realcitygent
  • Score: -2

1:59pm Sun 2 Feb 14

basil fawlty says...

The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else. basil fawlty
  • Score: 2

2:19pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 1

10:28pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible? SinnerSaint
  • Score: -1

9:27am Mon 3 Feb 14

Ruthydee says...

This thread is so NEGATIVE it makes me wonder how some of you find the energy to get up in a morning.

Bradford as with other socio - economically deprived areas can nurture up and coming talent, a smaller music venue will attract 'the next big thing' underground artists will be drawn to less corporate venues, not every stadium has to be capable of housing Bon Jovi, horses for courses.
This thread is so NEGATIVE it makes me wonder how some of you find the energy to get up in a morning. Bradford as with other socio - economically deprived areas can nurture up and coming talent, a smaller music venue will attract 'the next big thing' underground artists will be drawn to less corporate venues, not every stadium has to be capable of housing Bon Jovi, horses for courses. Ruthydee
  • Score: 2

10:27am Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

Ruthydee wrote:
This thread is so NEGATIVE it makes me wonder how some of you find the energy to get up in a morning.

Bradford as with other socio - economically deprived areas can nurture up and coming talent, a smaller music venue will attract 'the next big thing' underground artists will be drawn to less corporate venues, not every stadium has to be capable of housing Bon Jovi, horses for courses.
Those are in muso pubs at a tenner a ticket with chicken in a basket thrown in. Bradford is ****ed. Nobody wants to come here.
[quote][p][bold]Ruthydee[/bold] wrote: This thread is so NEGATIVE it makes me wonder how some of you find the energy to get up in a morning. Bradford as with other socio - economically deprived areas can nurture up and coming talent, a smaller music venue will attract 'the next big thing' underground artists will be drawn to less corporate venues, not every stadium has to be capable of housing Bon Jovi, horses for courses.[/p][/quote]Those are in muso pubs at a tenner a ticket with chicken in a basket thrown in. Bradford is ****ed. Nobody wants to come here. SinnerSaint
  • Score: -1

1:19pm Mon 3 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer. bcfc1903
  • Score: 3

1:25pm Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!! SinnerSaint
  • Score: -2

1:47pm Mon 3 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really. bcfc1903
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Mon 3 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue. bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

3:43pm Mon 3 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue. bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

4:53pm Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope.

Clueless, just like you.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.[/p][/quote]The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope. Clueless, just like you. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 2

4:58pm Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

And why has that fool Barra Mac gone to Bristol?! To get as far away as possible from here and distance himself from the disgrace we call a city centre.

"Currently Strategic Director for Regeneration at Bradford City Council, Barra leaves after six years of work which has included the delivery of Bradford’s City Park; its Canal Road Urban Village joint venture company; Leeds City Region City Deal; a property programme which has rationalised the council's estate, the City’s Centre Growth Zone. On the cultural side of the role he has also worked behind the scenes to help keep the National Media Museum in Bradford and to help the city gain the Unesco City of Film status and delivered a unique programme of festivals and activities for the city."
And why has that fool Barra Mac gone to Bristol?! To get as far away as possible from here and distance himself from the disgrace we call a city centre. "Currently Strategic Director for Regeneration at Bradford City Council, Barra leaves after six years of work which has included the delivery of Bradford’s City Park; its Canal Road Urban Village joint venture company; Leeds City Region City Deal; a property programme which has rationalised the council's estate, the City’s Centre Growth Zone. On the cultural side of the role he has also worked behind the scenes to help keep the National Media Museum in Bradford and to help the city gain the Unesco City of Film status and delivered a unique programme of festivals and activities for the city." SinnerSaint
  • Score: 2

8:18pm Mon 3 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope.

Clueless, just like you.
The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way.

I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.[/p][/quote]The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope. Clueless, just like you.[/p][/quote]The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way. I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing. bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

9:09pm Mon 3 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope.

Clueless, just like you.
The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way.

I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.
Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends.

I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester.

Enjoy your evening.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.[/p][/quote]The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope. Clueless, just like you.[/p][/quote]The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way. I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.[/p][/quote]Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends. I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester. Enjoy your evening. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

9:46am Tue 4 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope.

Clueless, just like you.
The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way.

I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.
Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends.

I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester.

Enjoy your evening.
I'll wrap this up,....

Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible.

A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument.
take care, from
Jim, Neil and Den.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.[/p][/quote]The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope. Clueless, just like you.[/p][/quote]The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way. I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.[/p][/quote]Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends. I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester. Enjoy your evening.[/p][/quote]I'll wrap this up,.... Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible. A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument. take care, from Jim, Neil and Den. bcfc1903
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3:10pm Tue 4 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope.

Clueless, just like you.
The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way.

I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.
Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends.

I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester.

Enjoy your evening.
I'll wrap this up,....

Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible.

A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument.
take care, from
Jim, Neil and Den.
Lol! Whatever you say Neil. Only time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.[/p][/quote]The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope. Clueless, just like you.[/p][/quote]The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way. I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.[/p][/quote]Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends. I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester. Enjoy your evening.[/p][/quote]I'll wrap this up,.... Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible. A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument. take care, from Jim, Neil and Den.[/p][/quote]Lol! Whatever you say Neil. Only time will tell. SinnerSaint
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6:40pm Tue 4 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope.

Clueless, just like you.
The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way.

I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.
Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends.

I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester.

Enjoy your evening.
I'll wrap this up,....

Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible.

A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument.
take care, from
Jim, Neil and Den.
Lol! Whatever you say Neil. Only time will tell.
Indeed SS, It'll be interesting to see what exactly is chosen by Bradford Council regarding the Odeon building, It surely can't be a swimming pool in such a fantastic city centre location.

You missed out our Sean and Saoirse SS , they are not happy!!!
but Jim, Neil and Den say hello, I'm sure your group of friends could be growing.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.[/p][/quote]The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope. Clueless, just like you.[/p][/quote]The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way. I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.[/p][/quote]Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends. I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester. Enjoy your evening.[/p][/quote]I'll wrap this up,.... Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible. A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument. take care, from Jim, Neil and Den.[/p][/quote]Lol! Whatever you say Neil. Only time will tell.[/p][/quote]Indeed SS, It'll be interesting to see what exactly is chosen by Bradford Council regarding the Odeon building, It surely can't be a swimming pool in such a fantastic city centre location. You missed out our Sean and Saoirse SS , they are not happy!!! but Jim, Neil and Den say hello, I'm sure your group of friends could be growing. bcfc1903
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11:03pm Tue 4 Feb 14

SinnerSaint says...

Whatever Myers, you're boring me now.
Whatever Myers, you're boring me now. SinnerSaint
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7:58am Wed 5 Feb 14

Pity Poor Bradford says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
Also, looking at Sunderland, they have just demolished their city centre swimming pool and sports centre....
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]Also, looking at Sunderland, they have just demolished their city centre swimming pool and sports centre.... Pity Poor Bradford
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10:46am Wed 5 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.
Spot on bf....

Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!!
1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer.

2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester?

Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?
Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.
You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford.

My God! You didn't mention DR&W!!
DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe?

Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella.

I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem.

I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.
The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.
Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford.

The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.
The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope.

Clueless, just like you.
The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way.

I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.
Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends.

I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester.

Enjoy your evening.
I'll wrap this up,....

Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible.

A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument.
take care, from
Jim, Neil and Den.
SinnerSaint says...

Whatever Myers, you're boring me now...


What's happened to Jim, Neil and Den.... SS

....You're watching too many Halloween films
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The Odeon really has to be converted into a 4000 capacity music venue to put Bradford back on the nation's music map. It will also kick start the revival of Bradford's nightlife which is absolutely abysmal. Do the Council realize just how vastly inferior Bradford's nightlife is compared to Leeds? The Odeon site is the perfect location, being close to the university, existing bars and clubs and is easily walkable from Forster Square and Interchange stations. Now get on with it! The pool shouldn't occupy this prime site and could easily be built somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Spot on bf.... Don't quite understand the pushing of the swimming pool unless there's some unwritten rule that says Leeds has to have all the top class music venues in West Yorkshire, I'd answer that with a simple question 'Why'!! When Bradford Council was only recently trying to get more restaurants to open up in Bradford City Centre the pushing of the swimming pool scheme seems odd to say the , with the best will in the world the swimming pool scheme will not bring footfall from outside the city. Bradford Met Council certainly needs to make a visit to Sunderland and ask them what the dynamic is between them and Newcastle, because they and Newcastle seem to attract big world class artists to both cities in close proximity. So once again WHY can't Bradford and Leeds do exactly the same. Strange goings on in West Yorkshire when it is as plain as the nose on my face that Bradford needs more evening and night footfall, swimming pool, not a chance of doing that in significant numbers, Bradford council, get a grip, grow a pair and get on with the Bradford Live scheme!!!!![/p][/quote]1. How are they going to incentivise major artists to come to Bradford? Leeds is just down the road and has better transport links, better hotels, more parking and far superior restaurants and bars. To a tour manager it's a no brainer. 2. How are they going to attract people to Bradford to pay to attend these events? People would travel from Bradford to Leeds but is the reverse true or would they rather go to Sheffield or Manchester? Bradford has a dreadful, dreadful reputation from the outside. This is all very well intentioned but is it really feasible?[/p][/quote]Take a look at Sunderland, hardly the garden city of the north, that does just fine attracting top class artists to perform with Newcastle on it's doorstep. You make Leeds out to be some sort of be all, it's nothing special!! Just like the Alhambra get's top London shows with those cast members staying in local Bradford hotels and no doubt on occasions visitors to the shows also. The proposed Bradford Live facility could do exactly the same and its acts and indeed fans could stay in the same hotels. Bradford is one of the UK's major cities and as such could as it did years ago attract world class artists if it had a world class facility such as the proposed Bradford Live, Refurbish/build it..that is THE real no brainer.[/p][/quote]You never go into Leeds Jim, so how the **** do you know what Leeds is or isn't like? If what you lead us to believe is true, you don't venture out of Bradford. My God! You didn't mention DR&W!![/p][/quote]DR&W, do you mean Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe? Go on, I know I'll regret this.....Who's Jim, Your one and only friend? imaginary or other wise? Paranoia perhaps, is Jim looking for you? Not your best friend Jimmy Saville, you certainly know how to upset a fella. I've been into Leeds many times, it puts the **** into shithole, just never shopped there although it does look a good shopping centre, expensive I bet., I did once go to a gig in the leeds town hall, someone bought me a ticket!!! Can't they afford curtains in that place, it's going back a bit so the council might have rectified that glaring problem. I notice you've got no real answers, not surprising really.[/p][/quote]The real answer is a strategic, phased overall plan for the city centre as a whole. Bit like what's happening to Leeds. Single projects don't work, they're just oases in the desert.[/p][/quote]Like Westfield, City Park, The proposed Odeon refurb and the proposed combined Market building in Bradford. The real answer is that you haven't got a clue.[/p][/quote]The real answer Neil, is that you are just shutting your eyes and hoping for the best like the shower that runs this poor city. There is no strategy behind Westfield, City Park, the Odeon project and the combined market, they're individual projects that are basically hit and hope. Clueless, just like you.[/p][/quote]The Idea that there is no strategy involved at City Hall in regards to Bradford city centre is ludicrous. Making it up as you go along, or wishful thinking? A brainless thought either way. I see another name's appeared, I know I'm going to regret this again but is Neil a friend of Jim's? I take it the medication keeps wearing off and your imaginary friend/friends keep appearing.[/p][/quote]Neil, Jim, Den. All imaginary friends. I'll get back to my brainless thoughts while I chuckle at something you posted while debating the merits of Halifax and Huddersfield where you said if you don't shop in Bradford, you go to either Leeds or Manchester. Enjoy your evening.[/p][/quote]I'll wrap this up,.... Of the three schemes put to Bradford Council the Bradford Live idea has the most merit, capacity wise it would fit nicely between the Leeds Arena and Leeds Academy venues and West Yorkshire would have all bases covered regarding music venues and capacity. I take your point about strategy only if Bradford ends up with a swimming pool, that would be a brainless addition to a prime Bradford city centre site. The idea that having Forster Square Retail Park, the proposed combined Market (the old royal mail sorting office is being considered I believe) and Westfield all within a short walk of each other and the two Bradford city centre railway stations isn't part of Bradford Council forward thinking(strategy) isn't credible. A suggestion SS, when debating, spend less time google..ing and more time constructing a credible argument. take care, from Jim, Neil and Den.[/p][/quote]SinnerSaint says... Whatever Myers, you're boring me now... What's happened to Jim, Neil and Den.... SS ....You're watching too many Halloween films bcfc1903
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1:08pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Jimmyboogalooo says...

Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.
Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much. Jimmyboogalooo
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2:20pm Wed 5 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Jimmyboogalooo wrote:
Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.
I've no idea who or what is backing Bradford Live but it is without doubt the best option of the three schemes for that fantastic city centre site. The City Park, Bradford University, Bradford College, The Media Museum and the Alhambra are all in it's vacinity. It's a no brainer build//refurb the Odeon Building and make it into a world class music/conference/art
s venue. The swimming pool scheme is not for that particular site and shows no imagination whatsoever or an understanding of what is good for Bradford. It's quite obvious that Bradford City Centre needs more evening and night footfall, a world class music venue would bring people into the city centre some would spend cash in the city centre retail outlets and also use restaurants and hotels, a swimming pool would not do that in any way shape or form. Bradford council need to show some bottle and get on with the Bradford Live scheme and forget about bloody swimming pools!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jimmyboogalooo[/bold] wrote: Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.[/p][/quote]I've no idea who or what is backing Bradford Live but it is without doubt the best option of the three schemes for that fantastic city centre site. The City Park, Bradford University, Bradford College, The Media Museum and the Alhambra are all in it's vacinity. It's a no brainer build//refurb the Odeon Building and make it into a world class music/conference/art s venue. The swimming pool scheme is not for that particular site and shows no imagination whatsoever or an understanding of what is good for Bradford. It's quite obvious that Bradford City Centre needs more evening and night footfall, a world class music venue would bring people into the city centre some would spend cash in the city centre retail outlets and also use restaurants and hotels, a swimming pool would not do that in any way shape or form. Bradford council need to show some bottle and get on with the Bradford Live scheme and forget about bloody swimming pools!!!!! bcfc1903
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2:20pm Wed 5 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Jimmyboogalooo wrote:
Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.
I've no idea who or what is backing Bradford Live but it is without doubt the best option of the three schemes for that fantastic city centre site. The City Park, Bradford University, Bradford College, The Media Museum and the Alhambra are all in it's vacinity. It's a no brainer build//refurb the Odeon Building and make it into a world class music/conference/art
s venue. The swimming pool scheme is not for that particular site and shows no imagination whatsoever or an understanding of what is good for Bradford. It's quite obvious that Bradford City Centre needs more evening and night footfall, a world class music venue would bring people into the city centre some would spend cash in the city centre retail outlets and also use restaurants and hotels, a swimming pool would not do that in any way shape or form. Bradford council need to show some bottle and get on with the Bradford Live scheme and forget about bloody swimming pools!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jimmyboogalooo[/bold] wrote: Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.[/p][/quote]I've no idea who or what is backing Bradford Live but it is without doubt the best option of the three schemes for that fantastic city centre site. The City Park, Bradford University, Bradford College, The Media Museum and the Alhambra are all in it's vacinity. It's a no brainer build//refurb the Odeon Building and make it into a world class music/conference/art s venue. The swimming pool scheme is not for that particular site and shows no imagination whatsoever or an understanding of what is good for Bradford. It's quite obvious that Bradford City Centre needs more evening and night footfall, a world class music venue would bring people into the city centre some would spend cash in the city centre retail outlets and also use restaurants and hotels, a swimming pool would not do that in any way shape or form. Bradford council need to show some bottle and get on with the Bradford Live scheme and forget about bloody swimming pools!!!!! bcfc1903
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9:47pm Wed 5 Feb 14

gracie field says...

it will go to who ever has the thickest brown envelope as usual.

all the work will be kept within the "family" as usual. The costs of material and manpower will be double the market price.

Bradford council will have botched something major up as usual.

How many people would go into Bradford to swim?
most people avoid the city center unless there is a large reason pulling them in. swimming pools don't pull us in but a music venue with popular groups or bands most definitely would.
it will go to who ever has the thickest brown envelope as usual. all the work will be kept within the "family" as usual. The costs of material and manpower will be double the market price. Bradford council will have botched something major up as usual. How many people would go into Bradford to swim? most people avoid the city center unless there is a large reason pulling them in. swimming pools don't pull us in but a music venue with popular groups or bands most definitely would. gracie field
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8:10am Thu 6 Feb 14

Pity Poor Bradford says...

Jimmyboogalooo wrote:
Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.
Talk about jumping to conclusions. "I have no idea who these non-developers are but they have no money"

The Bradford Live guy is a local millionaire businessman.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmyboogalooo[/bold] wrote: Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.[/p][/quote]Talk about jumping to conclusions. "I have no idea who these non-developers are but they have no money" The Bradford Live guy is a local millionaire businessman. Pity Poor Bradford
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9:09am Thu 6 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Pity Poor Bradford wrote:
Jimmyboogalooo wrote:
Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.
Talk about jumping to conclusions. "I have no idea who these non-developers are but they have no money"

The Bradford Live guy is a local millionaire businessman.
Personally I've always thought that if the people behind Bradford Live went to the trouble of putting a scheme forward to Bradford Council with everything involved in doing that, there has to be substantial financial backing for that scheme from those making the bid, anything else would make no sense.
[quote][p][bold]Pity Poor Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmyboogalooo[/bold] wrote: Whatever! But at least these developers have the money to spend ( not that they ever will). Those Bradford Live and Bradford one guys are a group of well meaning do gooders but couldnt club together enough cash to clean the carpets in there never mind build anything. Does anyone know how much money they have for their pie in the sky ideas? I cant imagine its much.[/p][/quote]Talk about jumping to conclusions. "I have no idea who these non-developers are but they have no money" The Bradford Live guy is a local millionaire businessman.[/p][/quote]Personally I've always thought that if the people behind Bradford Live went to the trouble of putting a scheme forward to Bradford Council with everything involved in doing that, there has to be substantial financial backing for that scheme from those making the bid, anything else would make no sense. bcfc1903
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