One gun and six knives found in Bradford primary schools

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Guns, knives, drugs and booze have been seized from pupils at Bradford schools.

And one of the eight guns and six of the 16 knives found were even in the possession of primary age children, the Telegraph & Argus can reveal today.

More than 2,600 children were given permanent or fixed term exclusions in 2012/13 for reasons which also include arson, attacks on teachers, sexual misconduct and theft.

One teaching union blamed the situation on poor parenting, saying many young children were being exposed to violent images on computer games at home and then were forming a view of a “world without consequences”.

Another union admitted people were often “shocked” to learn at what goes on at primary schools in the district.

Figures released to the T&A by Bradford Council under the Freedom of Information Act show that in the 2012/13 academic year there were 2,217 secondary and 377 primary pupils given fixed term exclusions among the authority’s 212 schools.

In the same period, seven secondary school age pupils and one primary pupil were permanently excluded with the primary exclusion – for possessing a knife – the first incident of a child of that age being expelled in four years.

Action was taken against six primary pupils for “drug and alcohol-related” issues with that figure rising to 47 at secondary schools.

Two primary and five secondary pupils were suspended for arson, four primary and 31 secondary for racist abuse and seven primary and 22 secondary for sexual misconduct.

One of the biggest reasons for exclusion was assault.

In primary schools, physical assaults against staff led to 128 primary pupils and 64 secondary pupils being punished. Assaults against other pupils were the reason for 123 primary and 496 secondary pupils being exlcuded.

Pam Milner, regional spokesman for teaching union NASUWT, said: “Some of these children go home and play on computer games that depict extreme violence and it is a world with no consequences.

“They then have to go to school and the real world the next day. Some of this behaviour you just wouldn’t see 20 years ago.

“Others are just repeating behaviour they see at home and it is a case of society seeping into schools. What is their home life doing to them that lets them come to school with a knife or a gun?”

Ian Murch, Bradford representative of the National Union of Teachers, said: “People are often quite shocked at just what you see in primary schools.

“What these incidents indicate are families with serious problems. These days there are far more children with behavioural difficulties integrated in mainstream schools. This is often behaviour they have learned from home. These are problems that it takes much more than just the school to deal with.”

Councillor Ralph Berry, who holds the children’s services portfolio on Bradford Council, said when incidents such as the confiscation of guns and knives are reported they often lead to investigations by social services and other agencies.

Referring to some of the more extreme reasons for exclusions, he said: “These circumstances would immediately lead to a referral by children’s social care as many of these issues have something to do with their families.

“With weapons there would be some kind of inquiry into why a child would be in possession of such an item. As a father of two daughters, I know that we need to make sure any inappropriate behaviour in schools is dealt with properly.”

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10:54am Thu 30 Jan 14

thatsnotmyname says...

So not only are teachers being attacked by the government the children are having a pop as well. What a crap job.
So not only are teachers being attacked by the government the children are having a pop as well. What a crap job. thatsnotmyname
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11:21am Thu 30 Jan 14

RollandSmoke says...

What happens to the children when the schools have washed their hands of them? Sure some may go into care where they are known to be vulnerable but what happens to those that don't? If a primary school child is showing such obvious signs of problems is it really acceptable to write them off and deny them an education rather than work to try and turn them around? I realise there are costs involved and no-one wants to spend any money preferring instead to deal with the problems when the disturbed child becomes a disturbed adult and starts causing much bigger problems.
What happens to the children when the schools have washed their hands of them? Sure some may go into care where they are known to be vulnerable but what happens to those that don't? If a primary school child is showing such obvious signs of problems is it really acceptable to write them off and deny them an education rather than work to try and turn them around? I realise there are costs involved and no-one wants to spend any money preferring instead to deal with the problems when the disturbed child becomes a disturbed adult and starts causing much bigger problems. RollandSmoke
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11:48am Thu 30 Jan 14

Bone_idle18 says...

the parents should be fully accountable for this behaviour.

I's pretty sure that once a child is excluded from primary school, social services will take up the reins!
the parents should be fully accountable for this behaviour. I's pretty sure that once a child is excluded from primary school, social services will take up the reins! Bone_idle18
  • Score: 31

11:54am Thu 30 Jan 14

Common sense dictates says...

Forming a view of a “world without consequences” is sadly going to be common place in the UK schools and homes due to corporal punishment being outlawed in nearly all of Europe. It remains legal in some parts of the world, including France where it is lawful in the home and is not explicitly banned in schools. I wonder whether in France parents and teachers have such concerns regarding arson, attacks on teachers, sexual misconduct and theft by their pupils and whether there is a similar exclusion rate?
Forming a view of a “world without consequences” is sadly going to be common place in the UK schools and homes due to corporal punishment being outlawed in nearly all of Europe. It remains legal in some parts of the world, including France where it is lawful in the home and is not explicitly banned in schools. I wonder whether in France parents and teachers have such concerns regarding arson, attacks on teachers, sexual misconduct and theft by their pupils and whether there is a similar exclusion rate? Common sense dictates
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12:19pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Mixter says...

Half these kids are feral before they see a school. You have only to see that young lad on Benefits Street. His parents cant do anything with him now - at about 3 years old, so what chance have the schools with only a few hours a day.

Unfortunately, we are well into second and third generation parents now, who themselves are little different in behaviour to their kids.

Only yesterday i heard a young mother chastise her young daughter. Out of the dozen words in the sentence she spoke (whilst pre-occupied with her phone) 2 of them started with 'F' and ended with 'ucking'.

That kid has no chance already - at 4/5 years of age.
Half these kids are feral before they see a school. You have only to see that young lad on Benefits Street. His parents cant do anything with him now - at about 3 years old, so what chance have the schools with only a few hours a day. Unfortunately, we are well into second and third generation parents now, who themselves are little different in behaviour to their kids. Only yesterday i heard a young mother chastise her young daughter. Out of the dozen words in the sentence she spoke (whilst pre-occupied with her phone) 2 of them started with 'F' and ended with 'ucking'. That kid has no chance already - at 4/5 years of age. Mixter
  • Score: 38

12:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

theoutsider says...

This is an outrage in 'this day and age' but had you opened most lads satchels and briefcases in the 60's and 70's you would have pulled out a standard issue Swiss Army Knife. Never left home without mine thats for sure and came use for all manner of things - including slicing through me mums lunch 'pack up' everyday..

The thing is that even at that age the knife was safe in my hands; I realised you not supposed to point it at anyone. Nowadays probably 6 knives in the hands of Primary School kids in a place like Bratfud aint that bad a statistic. I would have put it in the 100's given the sort backgrounds of some of the kids there will be in schools around this district.
This is an outrage in 'this day and age' but had you opened most lads satchels and briefcases in the 60's and 70's you would have pulled out a standard issue Swiss Army Knife. Never left home without mine thats for sure and came use for all manner of things - including slicing through me mums lunch 'pack up' everyday.. The thing is that even at that age the knife was safe in my hands; I realised you not supposed to point it at anyone. Nowadays probably 6 knives in the hands of Primary School kids in a place like Bratfud aint that bad a statistic. I would have put it in the 100's given the sort backgrounds of some of the kids there will be in schools around this district. theoutsider
  • Score: 8

1:17pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Albion. says...

theoutsider wrote:
This is an outrage in 'this day and age' but had you opened most lads satchels and briefcases in the 60's and 70's you would have pulled out a standard issue Swiss Army Knife. Never left home without mine thats for sure and came use for all manner of things - including slicing through me mums lunch 'pack up' everyday..

The thing is that even at that age the knife was safe in my hands; I realised you not supposed to point it at anyone. Nowadays probably 6 knives in the hands of Primary School kids in a place like Bratfud aint that bad a statistic. I would have put it in the 100's given the sort backgrounds of some of the kids there will be in schools around this district.
Exactly, I can remember kids bringing dad's gun from the war or penknives to play splits with, sixty years ago. I don't ever remember any of them being used to threaten anyone, this report doesn't say whether that happened or indeed whether the weapons were actually illegal. I suppose they contravened the school rules just by having them on the premises though.
[quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage in 'this day and age' but had you opened most lads satchels and briefcases in the 60's and 70's you would have pulled out a standard issue Swiss Army Knife. Never left home without mine thats for sure and came use for all manner of things - including slicing through me mums lunch 'pack up' everyday.. The thing is that even at that age the knife was safe in my hands; I realised you not supposed to point it at anyone. Nowadays probably 6 knives in the hands of Primary School kids in a place like Bratfud aint that bad a statistic. I would have put it in the 100's given the sort backgrounds of some of the kids there will be in schools around this district.[/p][/quote]Exactly, I can remember kids bringing dad's gun from the war or penknives to play splits with, sixty years ago. I don't ever remember any of them being used to threaten anyone, this report doesn't say whether that happened or indeed whether the weapons were actually illegal. I suppose they contravened the school rules just by having them on the premises though. Albion.
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1:30pm Thu 30 Jan 14

northern pig says...

Disfuntional parents have disfuncrional children, It is a fact of life.It is no surpise that yesterdays topic on benefits went viral.95% of the children that have been excluded.will come from that kind of environment. No respect no discipline.The only way to put these kids that have been excluded is a borstal type of instiitution.Approve
d schools were much maliigned but they have put thousands of kids back on the straight and narrow. As for the parents. the only answer is.Is to get them working for there benefits. It is the only way to get some order back in society.
Disfuntional parents have disfuncrional children, It is a fact of life.It is no surpise that yesterdays topic on benefits went viral.95% of the children that have been excluded.will come from that kind of environment. No respect no discipline.The only way to put these kids that have been excluded is a borstal type of instiitution.Approve d schools were much maliigned but they have put thousands of kids back on the straight and narrow. As for the parents. the only answer is.Is to get them working for there benefits. It is the only way to get some order back in society. northern pig
  • Score: 9

1:46pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Tinybantam says...

Sorry to say it, because I know it will offend you liberal lefties, but corporal punishment should be re-introduced to schools. A good few whacks with the cane never did anyone any harm at our school. Myself and all my school friends have turned out to be really decent, caring people. If I ever got into trouble at school and got caned, I also got a good leathering from my Father, if he found out that I had been punished. I also smacked my own kids, if it was for their own good, and they have both turned out to be hard-working decent people, with families of their own, and their children are very well behaved. In certain cases, not only do these problem kids need a good thrashing, but their parents also need it. Discipline is one of the most important ways of learning in life.!
Sorry to say it, because I know it will offend you liberal lefties, but corporal punishment should be re-introduced to schools. A good few whacks with the cane never did anyone any harm at our school. Myself and all my school friends have turned out to be really decent, caring people. If I ever got into trouble at school and got caned, I also got a good leathering from my Father, if he found out that I had been punished. I also smacked my own kids, if it was for their own good, and they have both turned out to be hard-working decent people, with families of their own, and their children are very well behaved. In certain cases, not only do these problem kids need a good thrashing, but their parents also need it. Discipline is one of the most important ways of learning in life.! Tinybantam
  • Score: 27

1:59pm Thu 30 Jan 14

theoutsider says...

Albion. wrote:
theoutsider wrote:
This is an outrage in 'this day and age' but had you opened most lads satchels and briefcases in the 60's and 70's you would have pulled out a standard issue Swiss Army Knife. Never left home without mine thats for sure and came use for all manner of things - including slicing through me mums lunch 'pack up' everyday..

The thing is that even at that age the knife was safe in my hands; I realised you not supposed to point it at anyone. Nowadays probably 6 knives in the hands of Primary School kids in a place like Bratfud aint that bad a statistic. I would have put it in the 100's given the sort backgrounds of some of the kids there will be in schools around this district.
Exactly, I can remember kids bringing dad's gun from the war or penknives to play splits with, sixty years ago. I don't ever remember any of them being used to threaten anyone, this report doesn't say whether that happened or indeed whether the weapons were actually illegal. I suppose they contravened the school rules just by having them on the premises though.
Our neighbour were a WW1 veteran and he used to have a 'small arsenal' in his garden hut. One day we were round and he's got out his standard issue LeeEnfield Rifle with some live ammo!. He'd tea leafed the lot when he was de-mobbed including a German stick hand grenade. Only loads it and fires it through the trees skywards hell we scarpered !. Made you realise the magnitude of the din me Grandad had to put up with in the Somme. "Those wert days". I just thought everyone had stuff like that in t'shed.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: This is an outrage in 'this day and age' but had you opened most lads satchels and briefcases in the 60's and 70's you would have pulled out a standard issue Swiss Army Knife. Never left home without mine thats for sure and came use for all manner of things - including slicing through me mums lunch 'pack up' everyday.. The thing is that even at that age the knife was safe in my hands; I realised you not supposed to point it at anyone. Nowadays probably 6 knives in the hands of Primary School kids in a place like Bratfud aint that bad a statistic. I would have put it in the 100's given the sort backgrounds of some of the kids there will be in schools around this district.[/p][/quote]Exactly, I can remember kids bringing dad's gun from the war or penknives to play splits with, sixty years ago. I don't ever remember any of them being used to threaten anyone, this report doesn't say whether that happened or indeed whether the weapons were actually illegal. I suppose they contravened the school rules just by having them on the premises though.[/p][/quote]Our neighbour were a WW1 veteran and he used to have a 'small arsenal' in his garden hut. One day we were round and he's got out his standard issue LeeEnfield Rifle with some live ammo!. He'd tea leafed the lot when he was de-mobbed including a German stick hand grenade. Only loads it and fires it through the trees skywards hell we scarpered !. Made you realise the magnitude of the din me Grandad had to put up with in the Somme. "Those wert days". I just thought everyone had stuff like that in t'shed. theoutsider
  • Score: 4

2:02pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society.
Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -2

2:03pm Thu 30 Jan 14

theoutsider says...

Huge what ?
Huge what ? theoutsider
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Thu 30 Jan 14

999 number of the beast says...

One of the promises DET Chief Supt Atkin made was nobody with guns would able to sleep easily at night. After this story I think he and the senior officers of Bradford police should resign!
Also to all those who say they bought guns and Stanley knifes into school. The law and the country has changed since then and Dunblane.(no corporal punishment and tougher gun/knife control)
One of the promises DET Chief Supt Atkin made was nobody with guns would able to sleep easily at night. After this story I think he and the senior officers of Bradford police should resign! Also to all those who say they bought guns and Stanley knifes into school. The law and the country has changed since then and Dunblane.(no corporal punishment and tougher gun/knife control) 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Albion. says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society.
I've always thought that, but it aint gonna happen.
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society.[/p][/quote]I've always thought that, but it aint gonna happen. Albion.
  • Score: 0

2:23pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Albion. says...

999 number of the beast wrote:
One of the promises DET Chief Supt Atkin made was nobody with guns would able to sleep easily at night. After this story I think he and the senior officers of Bradford police should resign!
Also to all those who say they bought guns and Stanley knifes into school. The law and the country has changed since then and Dunblane.(no corporal punishment and tougher gun/knife control)
I presume you meant BROUGHT guns into school? I haven't seen any reference to Stanley knives. By the way, it was also illegal then, but when did school boys ever let the law prevent them?
[quote][p][bold]999 number of the beast[/bold] wrote: One of the promises DET Chief Supt Atkin made was nobody with guns would able to sleep easily at night. After this story I think he and the senior officers of Bradford police should resign! Also to all those who say they bought guns and Stanley knifes into school. The law and the country has changed since then and Dunblane.(no corporal punishment and tougher gun/knife control)[/p][/quote]I presume you meant BROUGHT guns into school? I haven't seen any reference to Stanley knives. By the way, it was also illegal then, but when did school boys ever let the law prevent them? Albion.
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Back in my day, one lad turned up to school in a tank, with live 40mm (2lb) ammo, even the teachers wanted to ride in it.
Back in my day, one lad turned up to school in a tank, with live 40mm (2lb) ammo, even the teachers wanted to ride in it. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 4

3:57pm Thu 30 Jan 14

justjustice says...

Wow finally someone blames parenting, that is until these "parents" start shouting "Dont tell me hoe to raise my kids!"

Truth is this country's benefit system has favoured the breeding of feral youths, and as said these kids have "view of a world without consequences”, well it's not just a view, it IS a country without consequence for them. ASBOs, what a joke, they were treated as a merit badge, They have nothing to fear in school as teacher cannot smack them, and yet these kids who do not even listen to their parent, MPs expect them to listen to teachers?! It is lunacy! Just bring back smacking, even caning in schools and a lot of issues on society will start to get better fast!

As for the liberals, not all kids listen or respond to positive reinforcement, some will only respond to negative and punitive responses, whilst others are just that messed up nothing works.

I recently say the movie Idiocracy, and we dont have to wait 500 years for that, it's already here!
Wow finally someone blames parenting, that is until these "parents" start shouting "Dont tell me hoe to raise my kids!" Truth is this country's benefit system has favoured the breeding of feral youths, and as said these kids have "view of a world without consequences”, well it's not just a view, it IS a country without consequence for them. ASBOs, what a joke, they were treated as a merit badge, They have nothing to fear in school as teacher cannot smack them, and yet these kids who do not even listen to their parent, MPs expect them to listen to teachers?! It is lunacy! Just bring back smacking, even caning in schools and a lot of issues on society will start to get better fast! As for the liberals, not all kids listen or respond to positive reinforcement, some will only respond to negative and punitive responses, whilst others are just that messed up nothing works. I recently say the movie Idiocracy, and we dont have to wait 500 years for that, it's already here! justjustice
  • Score: 8

4:14pm Thu 30 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

It would be interesting to see *where* the bulk of these primary and secondary schools are....
It would be interesting to see *where* the bulk of these primary and secondary schools are.... The Hoffster
  • Score: -1

4:15pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Mixter says...

All thats needed - for ANYONE of a criminal or even anti-social bent, is a punishment that leaves them not wanting to serve it twice.

Borstal has been mentioned, but with todays slack attitude to real punishment and Human Rights laws, theres no chance of this.

I knew a number of 'bad lads' in the late 60's/70's. One or two went to Borstal for theft/burglary - nothing like armed muggings or assault - just thieving. They came back vowing not to return. It didnt change them totally, but as far as i remember none of them did anything bad enough to get sent back.

These people just need removing from society until such times they learn the error of their ways. Ideally the 'correction centre' would be on an uninhabited Hebridean Island, so no actual need for expensive security even.
All thats needed - for ANYONE of a criminal or even anti-social bent, is a punishment that leaves them not wanting to serve it twice. Borstal has been mentioned, but with todays slack attitude to real punishment and Human Rights laws, theres no chance of this. I knew a number of 'bad lads' in the late 60's/70's. One or two went to Borstal for theft/burglary - nothing like armed muggings or assault - just thieving. They came back vowing not to return. It didnt change them totally, but as far as i remember none of them did anything bad enough to get sent back. These people just need removing from society until such times they learn the error of their ways. Ideally the 'correction centre' would be on an uninhabited Hebridean Island, so no actual need for expensive security even. Mixter
  • Score: 6

4:33pm Thu 30 Jan 14

RollandSmoke says...

I'm sure Group 4 would love to oblige (for a price of course). Loads of nice little seclusion rooms for the kids to rock backward and forward in. All watched over by CCTV. They could even set up a pay per view service so you can get your socks off watching the kiddies getting psychologically scarred and a premium service for when they go in to give the kid a beating. I refer back to my previous post where I refer to disturbed adults then draw your attention to the posters claiming the way to steer children in the right direction is to show them that you use violence to get people to do what you want them to do.
I'm sure Group 4 would love to oblige (for a price of course). Loads of nice little seclusion rooms for the kids to rock backward and forward in. All watched over by CCTV. They could even set up a pay per view service so you can get your socks off watching the kiddies getting psychologically scarred and a premium service for when they go in to give the kid a beating. I refer back to my previous post where I refer to disturbed adults then draw your attention to the posters claiming the way to steer children in the right direction is to show them that you use violence to get people to do what you want them to do. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

4:40pm Thu 30 Jan 14

gracie field says...

Children with guns and knives need removing from their lazy, scum-ball, useless brain-dead families and the parents should be charged with the offence of the child. If the child had a gun then the parents go down for carrying an offensive weapon. That would be the end of that. Simple.
Children with guns and knives need removing from their lazy, scum-ball, useless brain-dead families and the parents should be charged with the offence of the child. If the child had a gun then the parents go down for carrying an offensive weapon. That would be the end of that. Simple. gracie field
  • Score: 7

5:11pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Bone_idle18 says...

The Hoffster wrote:
It would be interesting to see *where* the bulk of these primary and secondary schools are....
As guns are involved, my guess is NOT in your favourite EDL/BNP chav infested hell holes!
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: It would be interesting to see *where* the bulk of these primary and secondary schools are....[/p][/quote]As guns are involved, my guess is NOT in your favourite EDL/BNP chav infested hell holes! Bone_idle18
  • Score: 10

5:34pm Thu 30 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
It would be interesting to see *where* the bulk of these primary and secondary schools are....
As guns are involved, my guess is NOT in your favourite EDL/BNP chav infested hell holes!
It's BNP/EDL (hell-holes), not EDL/BNP...

Please get it right.

Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: It would be interesting to see *where* the bulk of these primary and secondary schools are....[/p][/quote]As guns are involved, my guess is NOT in your favourite EDL/BNP chav infested hell holes![/p][/quote]It's BNP/EDL (hell-holes), not EDL/BNP... Please get it right. Thank you. The Hoffster
  • Score: -10

5:58pm Thu 30 Jan 14

allinittogether says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society.
Good job for you it wasn't implemented in days gone by ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society.[/p][/quote]Good job for you it wasn't implemented in days gone by ;-) allinittogether
  • Score: 3

8:12pm Thu 30 Jan 14

lazybeat says...

wow, how low can Bradford go
wow, how low can Bradford go lazybeat
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8:59pm Thu 30 Jan 14

alive and awake says...

allinittogether wrote:
Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society.
Good job for you it wasn't implemented in days gone by ;-)
This is the future, get used to it, or demand the authorities get tough.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Eugenics is the answer to many of the problems encountered in todays society.[/p][/quote]Good job for you it wasn't implemented in days gone by ;-)[/p][/quote]This is the future, get used to it, or demand the authorities get tough. alive and awake
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9:48pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Reality50 says...

Shocking figures and I suspect the real reasons for these appalling figures and problems haven't been mentioned. Bradford is a racially divided city no matter how the council and unions and PC brigade deny it. White British children largely do not mix with Muslim children and why is that? Well it is mainly a cultural thing but also because there are dozens of Islamic only schools in the city which create an anti integration culture. I would be interested to see the racial and religious breakdown of where these guns and knives were found and also the reasons behind each assault and other misdemeanors. Bradford is sick and will get sicker and it is time to accept that multiculturalism in Bradford is an experiment that has failed and failed badly.
Shocking figures and I suspect the real reasons for these appalling figures and problems haven't been mentioned. Bradford is a racially divided city no matter how the council and unions and PC brigade deny it. White British children largely do not mix with Muslim children and why is that? Well it is mainly a cultural thing but also because there are dozens of Islamic only schools in the city which create an anti integration culture. I would be interested to see the racial and religious breakdown of where these guns and knives were found and also the reasons behind each assault and other misdemeanors. Bradford is sick and will get sicker and it is time to accept that multiculturalism in Bradford is an experiment that has failed and failed badly. Reality50
  • Score: 2

10:06pm Thu 30 Jan 14

allinittogether says...

Reality50 wrote:
Shocking figures and I suspect the real reasons for these appalling figures and problems haven't been mentioned. Bradford is a racially divided city no matter how the council and unions and PC brigade deny it. White British children largely do not mix with Muslim children and why is that? Well it is mainly a cultural thing but also because there are dozens of Islamic only schools in the city which create an anti integration culture. I would be interested to see the racial and religious breakdown of where these guns and knives were found and also the reasons behind each assault and other misdemeanors. Bradford is sick and will get sicker and it is time to accept that multiculturalism in Bradford is an experiment that has failed and failed badly.
And you're doing a great job to promote integration aren't you with comments like this?
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Shocking figures and I suspect the real reasons for these appalling figures and problems haven't been mentioned. Bradford is a racially divided city no matter how the council and unions and PC brigade deny it. White British children largely do not mix with Muslim children and why is that? Well it is mainly a cultural thing but also because there are dozens of Islamic only schools in the city which create an anti integration culture. I would be interested to see the racial and religious breakdown of where these guns and knives were found and also the reasons behind each assault and other misdemeanors. Bradford is sick and will get sicker and it is time to accept that multiculturalism in Bradford is an experiment that has failed and failed badly.[/p][/quote]And you're doing a great job to promote integration aren't you with comments like this? allinittogether
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12:56am Fri 31 Jan 14

Reality50 says...

allinittogether wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Shocking figures and I suspect the real reasons for these appalling figures and problems haven't been mentioned. Bradford is a racially divided city no matter how the council and unions and PC brigade deny it. White British children largely do not mix with Muslim children and why is that? Well it is mainly a cultural thing but also because there are dozens of Islamic only schools in the city which create an anti integration culture. I would be interested to see the racial and religious breakdown of where these guns and knives were found and also the reasons behind each assault and other misdemeanors. Bradford is sick and will get sicker and it is time to accept that multiculturalism in Bradford is an experiment that has failed and failed badly.
And you're doing a great job to promote integration aren't you with comments like this?
Tackling the problem head on is the best way. The council could do their bit by refusing all future Islamic school new applications and phasing out the ones that currently exist. In fact close all religious schools be they Christian,Sikh,Islam
ic or whoever.Education and religion needs to be separated.Bradford is no different to Belfast and N Ireland in general as to the cultural divide except where it is Catholic/Protestant there it is Muslim/the rest in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Shocking figures and I suspect the real reasons for these appalling figures and problems haven't been mentioned. Bradford is a racially divided city no matter how the council and unions and PC brigade deny it. White British children largely do not mix with Muslim children and why is that? Well it is mainly a cultural thing but also because there are dozens of Islamic only schools in the city which create an anti integration culture. I would be interested to see the racial and religious breakdown of where these guns and knives were found and also the reasons behind each assault and other misdemeanors. Bradford is sick and will get sicker and it is time to accept that multiculturalism in Bradford is an experiment that has failed and failed badly.[/p][/quote]And you're doing a great job to promote integration aren't you with comments like this?[/p][/quote]Tackling the problem head on is the best way. The council could do their bit by refusing all future Islamic school new applications and phasing out the ones that currently exist. In fact close all religious schools be they Christian,Sikh,Islam ic or whoever.Education and religion needs to be separated.Bradford is no different to Belfast and N Ireland in general as to the cultural divide except where it is Catholic/Protestant there it is Muslim/the rest in Bradford. Reality50
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7:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Truth prevails says...

Half way through my secondary school the came was banned. People knew they could get away with anything after that. The generation of parents are now from when corporal punishment was banned. I'm sometimes too scared to ask kids stop playing football as the response I get is disgusting then threats of violence or my car scratched. I honestly believe the blame should be on the law makers who have theis touchy touchy response to children. I was only on the receiving end of the cane once and that was it. I always thought twice before I did anything wrong and it worked. Was a good deterrent so I say bring it back
Half way through my secondary school the came was banned. People knew they could get away with anything after that. The generation of parents are now from when corporal punishment was banned. I'm sometimes too scared to ask kids stop playing football as the response I get is disgusting then threats of violence or my car scratched. I honestly believe the blame should be on the law makers who have theis touchy touchy response to children. I was only on the receiving end of the cane once and that was it. I always thought twice before I did anything wrong and it worked. Was a good deterrent so I say bring it back Truth prevails
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