'Council' ethnic bazaar to be trialed in former Rawson Market

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The former Rawson Market The former Rawson Market

The first Council-backed ethnic bazaar is to open in Bradford on a trial basis.

The bazaar will be in the former Rawson Market, which has lain empty since 2003.

If it proves a success, it could be incorporated into the new city-centre market as part of the merger of the Kirkgate Market and Oastler Shopping Centre.

The idea originally came from Councillor Muhammad Shabbir (Ind) at a Council meeting in January. He said it could bring more people into the city centre.

The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond.

He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity.”

The bazaar is expected to open in March.

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6:34am Fri 17 Jan 14

allannicho says...

In keeping with Bradford, no doubt.
In keeping with Bradford, no doubt. allannicho
  • Score: 14

7:10am Fri 17 Jan 14

Albion. says...

Another step of the inevitable transition.
Another step of the inevitable transition. Albion.
  • Score: 20

7:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

angry bradfordian says...

This seems like an excellent idea from a councillor which must be a first.

There's a large empty council building, there are a few businessmen who are trying to avoid planning restrictions by opening in unsuitable locations.
Put the 2 things together and this seems like a common sense idea for once.
This seems like an excellent idea from a councillor which must be a first. There's a large empty council building, there are a few businessmen who are trying to avoid planning restrictions by opening in unsuitable locations. Put the 2 things together and this seems like a common sense idea for once. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 18

8:03am Fri 17 Jan 14

Joedavid says...

Seems strange that there is a story today that the 2 the present markets are under threat now Westfield going to be built and we talking here of opening a third one up.
Seems strange that there is a story today that the 2 the present markets are under threat now Westfield going to be built and we talking here of opening a third one up. Joedavid
  • Score: 8

8:15am Fri 17 Jan 14

Whatthejuice says...

"If it proves a success, it could be incorporated into the new city-centre market as part of the merger of the Kirkgate Market and Oastler Shopping Centre".
When was that decided???
"If it proves a success, it could be incorporated into the new city-centre market as part of the merger of the Kirkgate Market and Oastler Shopping Centre". When was that decided??? Whatthejuice
  • Score: 11

8:37am Fri 17 Jan 14

Avro says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
This seems like an excellent idea from a councillor which must be a first.

There's a large empty council building, there are a few businessmen who are trying to avoid planning restrictions by opening in unsuitable locations.
Put the 2 things together and this seems like a common sense idea for once.
But not a good idea if they let the guy from Tradex get involved in any way
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: This seems like an excellent idea from a councillor which must be a first. There's a large empty council building, there are a few businessmen who are trying to avoid planning restrictions by opening in unsuitable locations. Put the 2 things together and this seems like a common sense idea for once.[/p][/quote]But not a good idea if they let the guy from Tradex get involved in any way Avro
  • Score: 28

8:38am Fri 17 Jan 14

Apollo says...

Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars. Apollo
  • Score: 34

8:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]Well said. Andy2010
  • Score: 19

9:07am Fri 17 Jan 14

collos25 says...

The brown paper envelopes have reached there destination and decisions have now been made accordingly.
The brown paper envelopes have reached there destination and decisions have now been made accordingly. collos25
  • Score: 21

9:09am Fri 17 Jan 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Can we find out if this is going to be council funded in anyway?
Can we find out if this is going to be council funded in anyway? Bacon Bantam
  • Score: 12

9:26am Fri 17 Jan 14

angry bradfordian says...

Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 8

10:00am Fri 17 Jan 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 7

10:15am Fri 17 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate.

Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.[/p][/quote]What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate. Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh? SinnerSaint
  • Score: 50

10:38am Fri 17 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate.

Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?
It isn't just the Asian population that don't integrate, its all the Europeans as well. No-one begrudges anyone coming to this country to work hard and contribute but alas all the money isn't spent in the UK economy and is quickly dispatched overseas. As you will see each of the "ethnic" background tend to stick to their own communities and don't have anything to do with other communities. In a way I admire them for sticking together as white British tend to not bother but they aren't integrating into society or a British way of life.

Setting up the "bazaars" just panders to this. How many white British Christians for example will be shopping in this market? I'd hazard a guess hardly none.

Why cant a market just be a market selling various products from around this country and the globe to a whole range of customers. To simply set up for one community quite frankly I find racist. This doesn't help other communities to integrate either
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.[/p][/quote]What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate. Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?[/p][/quote]It isn't just the Asian population that don't integrate, its all the Europeans as well. No-one begrudges anyone coming to this country to work hard and contribute but alas all the money isn't spent in the UK economy and is quickly dispatched overseas. As you will see each of the "ethnic" background tend to stick to their own communities and don't have anything to do with other communities. In a way I admire them for sticking together as white British tend to not bother but they aren't integrating into society or a British way of life. Setting up the "bazaars" just panders to this. How many white British Christians for example will be shopping in this market? I'd hazard a guess hardly none. Why cant a market just be a market selling various products from around this country and the globe to a whole range of customers. To simply set up for one community quite frankly I find racist. This doesn't help other communities to integrate either Andy2010
  • Score: 36

10:45am Fri 17 Jan 14

Britwyte says...

Tried As Trial, We all know what trial means for the Ethnics don't we
More rubbish
Tried As Trial, We all know what trial means for the Ethnics don't we More rubbish Britwyte
  • Score: 10

10:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

Avro says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate.

Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?
British values are being relegated to second place while we instead focus on catering to the needs of foreign groups and their own religions and beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.[/p][/quote]What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate. Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?[/p][/quote]British values are being relegated to second place while we instead focus on catering to the needs of foreign groups and their own religions and beliefs. Avro
  • Score: 29

10:47am Fri 17 Jan 14

Britwyte says...

Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate.

Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?
It isn't just the Asian population that don't integrate, its all the Europeans as well. No-one begrudges anyone coming to this country to work hard and contribute but alas all the money isn't spent in the UK economy and is quickly dispatched overseas. As you will see each of the "ethnic" background tend to stick to their own communities and don't have anything to do with other communities. In a way I admire them for sticking together as white British tend to not bother but they aren't integrating into society or a British way of life.

Setting up the "bazaars" just panders to this. How many white British Christians for example will be shopping in this market? I'd hazard a guess hardly none.

Why cant a market just be a market selling various products from around this country and the globe to a whole range of customers. To simply set up for one community quite frankly I find racist. This doesn't help other communities to integrate either
Hear Hear,
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.[/p][/quote]What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate. Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?[/p][/quote]It isn't just the Asian population that don't integrate, its all the Europeans as well. No-one begrudges anyone coming to this country to work hard and contribute but alas all the money isn't spent in the UK economy and is quickly dispatched overseas. As you will see each of the "ethnic" background tend to stick to their own communities and don't have anything to do with other communities. In a way I admire them for sticking together as white British tend to not bother but they aren't integrating into society or a British way of life. Setting up the "bazaars" just panders to this. How many white British Christians for example will be shopping in this market? I'd hazard a guess hardly none. Why cant a market just be a market selling various products from around this country and the globe to a whole range of customers. To simply set up for one community quite frankly I find racist. This doesn't help other communities to integrate either[/p][/quote]Hear Hear, Britwyte
  • Score: 18

10:48am Fri 17 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

And the usual, vile BNP/EDL Islamophobic scum commenting yet again.

If you hate the idea so much, what are *you* doing to improve the situation?

(pathetic hypocrites)
And the usual, vile BNP/EDL Islamophobic scum commenting yet again. If you hate the idea so much, what are *you* doing to improve the situation? (pathetic hypocrites) The Hoffster
  • Score: -32

10:50am Fri 17 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate.

Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?
Integration is a 2-way thing, SS (and some rather apt initials there, btw).

If the Islamophobic, racist populace of the city don't do *their* part, then what hope is there ?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.[/p][/quote]What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate. Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?[/p][/quote]Integration is a 2-way thing, SS (and some rather apt initials there, btw). If the Islamophobic, racist populace of the city don't do *their* part, then what hope is there ? The Hoffster
  • Score: -17

10:51am Fri 17 Jan 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate.

Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?
Why is it their OWN market, I doubt there will be a 'NO WHITES ALLOWED' sign anywhere. It also doesn't state this is an Asian, Muslim market, it is an ethnic market, I would hope this although slanted at the Asian side due to the large % of the shoppers being of that origin would have Eastern European, Caribbean and African goods/foods on offer.

I am suggesting we all embrace it on an individual and personal level and not have it force fed to us by government and council.

I often use Pakeezah on Leeds Road for my meats and fruit and veg, spices etc, never have I felt out of place, uncomfortable or unable to ask for help and advice, in fact quite the opposite. These markets already exist around the city, to have a legal, well tended one in the main shopping area is a forward not backward step.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.[/p][/quote]What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate. Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?[/p][/quote]Why is it their OWN market, I doubt there will be a 'NO WHITES ALLOWED' sign anywhere. It also doesn't state this is an Asian, Muslim market, it is an ethnic market, I would hope this although slanted at the Asian side due to the large % of the shoppers being of that origin would have Eastern European, Caribbean and African goods/foods on offer. I am suggesting we all embrace it on an individual and personal level and not have it force fed to us by government and council. I often use Pakeezah on Leeds Road for my meats and fruit and veg, spices etc, never have I felt out of place, uncomfortable or unable to ask for help and advice, in fact quite the opposite. These markets already exist around the city, to have a legal, well tended one in the main shopping area is a forward not backward step. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 9

11:07am Fri 17 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

There doesn't need to be a sign....

Pakeezah on Leeds Road? You mean the one on Edderthorpe Street?
There doesn't need to be a sign.... Pakeezah on Leeds Road? You mean the one on Edderthorpe Street? SinnerSaint
  • Score: 1

11:08am Fri 17 Jan 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Britwyte wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax.

I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.
But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it.
I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.
Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area.

The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change.

I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.
What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate.

Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?
It isn't just the Asian population that don't integrate, its all the Europeans as well. No-one begrudges anyone coming to this country to work hard and contribute but alas all the money isn't spent in the UK economy and is quickly dispatched overseas. As you will see each of the "ethnic" background tend to stick to their own communities and don't have anything to do with other communities. In a way I admire them for sticking together as white British tend to not bother but they aren't integrating into society or a British way of life.

Setting up the "bazaars" just panders to this. How many white British Christians for example will be shopping in this market? I'd hazard a guess hardly none.

Why cant a market just be a market selling various products from around this country and the globe to a whole range of customers. To simply set up for one community quite frankly I find racist. This doesn't help other communities to integrate either
Hear Hear,
You mean Tesco?

Why do we have to be so generic and static with our thinking?

A little diversity in our shopping and eating habits is a good thing isn't it?

No-one is asking you to visit this type of market but I'd suggest you do given the chance, some wonderful foods and goods can be bought. No-one is asking you to go to an illegal bazaar, it is an open market for free trade for all of us.

And as I said before, it is in a shopping area, with parking, not residential where issues arise due to the above and other businesses are affected, it goes hand in hand with what exists.

The other end of town will cater for those who wish to shop in named, branded shops and pay over the odds for goods they desire.

And can we stop referring to white British Christians and Asian Muslims whilst we are talking about markets and shopping styles, it makes you look ignorant, stupid and bigoted.
[quote][p][bold]Britwyte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Not in my name and not using 1p of my Council Tax. I do not pay my taxes for ethnic bazaars.[/p][/quote]But the 15-20% of the Bradford population who would use this facility ARE paying Council Tax towards it. I don't have children in education, use social services or libraries. I don't use the Oastler Centre or Kirkgate Market either, but I don't begrudge paying towards the upkeep of them because that's the way taxation works.[/p][/quote]Got to agree, there is a large % of our population that are now ethnic, not all recent arrivals admittedly but still of ethnic background, this is only going to increase, not only in Bradford but across the country. A market which caters for this trade is bound to do well, it is in a perfect location is as much as it is in an existing shopping area and not in the middle of a residential area and will hopefully increase trade/footfall throughout that area. The snobbery, mistrust and sometimes hatred towards other people not 'of our kind' needs to be reversed and accepted that it isn't going to change. I don't like everyone who lives on my street but it isn't due to their origins but the way they treat me and others around me. If we exist on that basis our lives could be enriched, multi-culturalism when forced doesn't work but when embraced and used wisely can enrich so much of your own personal life.[/p][/quote]What you're suggesting is really that the White British population needs to "embrace" multiculturalism while the Asian Muslim population isolate themselves and don't integrate. Surely having their own market goes against integration and the embracing of multiculturalism? Soon they'll have a self engineered Apartheid situation where they don't have anything to do with anyone outside of their own community. Schools, shops, markets, courts and so on. Truly embracing the heritage of the great country they CHOSE to live in eh?[/p][/quote]It isn't just the Asian population that don't integrate, its all the Europeans as well. No-one begrudges anyone coming to this country to work hard and contribute but alas all the money isn't spent in the UK economy and is quickly dispatched overseas. As you will see each of the "ethnic" background tend to stick to their own communities and don't have anything to do with other communities. In a way I admire them for sticking together as white British tend to not bother but they aren't integrating into society or a British way of life. Setting up the "bazaars" just panders to this. How many white British Christians for example will be shopping in this market? I'd hazard a guess hardly none. Why cant a market just be a market selling various products from around this country and the globe to a whole range of customers. To simply set up for one community quite frankly I find racist. This doesn't help other communities to integrate either[/p][/quote]Hear Hear,[/p][/quote]You mean Tesco? Why do we have to be so generic and static with our thinking? A little diversity in our shopping and eating habits is a good thing isn't it? No-one is asking you to visit this type of market but I'd suggest you do given the chance, some wonderful foods and goods can be bought. No-one is asking you to go to an illegal bazaar, it is an open market for free trade for all of us. And as I said before, it is in a shopping area, with parking, not residential where issues arise due to the above and other businesses are affected, it goes hand in hand with what exists. The other end of town will cater for those who wish to shop in named, branded shops and pay over the odds for goods they desire. And can we stop referring to white British Christians and Asian Muslims whilst we are talking about markets and shopping styles, it makes you look ignorant, stupid and bigoted. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: -8

11:12am Fri 17 Jan 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
There doesn't need to be a sign....

Pakeezah on Leeds Road? You mean the one on Edderthorpe Street?
Yes, bit pedantic but the entrance is on Edderthorpe Street, they have just opened a Curry Counter at Bolton Junction too and it is ace. I had a Chicken and Spinach curry from there last night and can easily say it is the best I have had in the last 2 years, anywhere. I think the 3 Singhs will struggle because of this as the dishes are served cold for you to take home and warm, so no waiting for delivery or to be cooked for collection.

By the way, I am not the Pakeezah marketing dept. I just think it is an ace idea and is cheaper due to not having to pay the 20% VAT on warmed foods.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: There doesn't need to be a sign.... Pakeezah on Leeds Road? You mean the one on Edderthorpe Street?[/p][/quote]Yes, bit pedantic but the entrance is on Edderthorpe Street, they have just opened a Curry Counter at Bolton Junction too and it is ace. I had a Chicken and Spinach curry from there last night and can easily say it is the best I have had in the last 2 years, anywhere. I think the 3 Singhs will struggle because of this as the dishes are served cold for you to take home and warm, so no waiting for delivery or to be cooked for collection. By the way, I am not the Pakeezah marketing dept. I just think it is an ace idea and is cheaper due to not having to pay the 20% VAT on warmed foods. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: -1

11:16am Fri 17 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

I hope you enjoyed it.

http://www.scoresont
hedoors.org.uk/busin
ess/pakeezah-superst
ore--83677.html
I hope you enjoyed it. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/pakeezah-superst ore--83677.html SinnerSaint
  • Score: 5

11:25am Fri 17 Jan 14

Rambo says...

Quote -
"The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond.

He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity"

----------

How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"?

Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre?
Quote - "The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond. He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity" ---------- How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"? Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre? Rambo
  • Score: 35

11:26am Fri 17 Jan 14

Denholmelass says...

Whatthejuice wrote:
"If it proves a success, it could be incorporated into the new city-centre market as part of the merger of the Kirkgate Market and Oastler Shopping Centre".
When was that decided???
It wasn't as yet. The traders in the other 2 markets are mostly against the move at the moment. Supposed to be still in discussion with the powers that be. But it sounds to me like it already decided, wanted or not.
[quote][p][bold]Whatthejuice[/bold] wrote: "If it proves a success, it could be incorporated into the new city-centre market as part of the merger of the Kirkgate Market and Oastler Shopping Centre". When was that decided???[/p][/quote]It wasn't as yet. The traders in the other 2 markets are mostly against the move at the moment. Supposed to be still in discussion with the powers that be. But it sounds to me like it already decided, wanted or not. Denholmelass
  • Score: 12

11:38am Fri 17 Jan 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I hope you enjoyed it.

http://www.scoresont

hedoors.org.uk/busin

ess/pakeezah-superst

ore--83677.html
Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I hope you enjoyed it. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/pakeezah-superst ore--83677.html[/p][/quote]Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: -12

11:40am Fri 17 Jan 14

Albion. says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I hope you enjoyed it.

http://www.scoresont


hedoors.org.uk/busin


ess/pakeezah-superst


ore--83677.html
Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday.
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/se
arch/?search=pakeeza
h&submit=Search

They have an interesting history and portfolio of complaints, nonetheless.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I hope you enjoyed it. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/pakeezah-superst ore--83677.html[/p][/quote]Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday.[/p][/quote]http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/se arch/?search=pakeeza h&submit=Search They have an interesting history and portfolio of complaints, nonetheless. Albion.
  • Score: 5

11:41am Fri 17 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

Rambo wrote:
Quote -
"The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond.

He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity"

----------

How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"?

Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre?
Can you cite some evidence that the bazaar will be exclusive to Asians only?

If not, then I would advise you to stop getting your racist nonsense from the vile BNP/EDL scum.
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: Quote - "The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond. He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity" ---------- How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"? Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre?[/p][/quote]Can you cite some evidence that the bazaar will be exclusive to Asians only? If not, then I would advise you to stop getting your racist nonsense from the vile BNP/EDL scum. The Hoffster
  • Score: -34

11:47am Fri 17 Jan 14

Apollo says...

'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at?

The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity?

Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it?
'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at? The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity? Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it? Apollo
  • Score: 21

11:53am Fri 17 Jan 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I hope you enjoyed it.

http://www.scoresont

hedoors.org.uk/busin

ess/pakeezah-superst

ore--83677.html
Doesn't read well that does it.

Let's hope the new place manages to maintain high standards. I have high hopes, it is plush and vibrant.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I hope you enjoyed it. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/pakeezah-superst ore--83677.html[/p][/quote]Doesn't read well that does it. Let's hope the new place manages to maintain high standards. I have high hopes, it is plush and vibrant. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: -2

12:03pm Fri 17 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

Apollo wrote:
'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at?

The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity?

Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it?
So people can't sell goods aimed at certain communities ?

Where do you think you live ? - in Soviet Russia ?
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: 'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at? The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity? Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it?[/p][/quote]So people can't sell goods aimed at certain communities ? Where do you think you live ? - in Soviet Russia ? The Hoffster
  • Score: -21

12:07pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Apollo wrote:
'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at?

The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity?

Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it?
Exactly

Why not call it a World Market and sell food and products from all over the world. Some Eastern Europeans stuff, some Asian stuff, some English stuff , some American stuff etc etc.

Why just cater to "Asian".

This is just racist
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: 'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at? The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity? Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it?[/p][/quote]Exactly Why not call it a World Market and sell food and products from all over the world. Some Eastern Europeans stuff, some Asian stuff, some English stuff , some American stuff etc etc. Why just cater to "Asian". This is just racist Andy2010
  • Score: 18

12:33pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Rambo says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Quote -
"The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond.

He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity"

----------

How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"?

Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre?
Can you cite some evidence that the bazaar will be exclusive to Asians only?

If not, then I would advise you to stop getting your racist nonsense from the vile BNP/EDL scum.
If you read the article it states it is a Council report (so some degree of officialness) that says it is to be "aimed at the South Asian community". A councillor tries to counter that statement, but the fact is the Council have said it.

And don't you insinuate I am racist because I am quoting the above article and asking a question about it. How can 'diversity' be in this case, aiming an "Asian bazaar" to the "South Asian Community"?

Those are the council's words, not mine. I never said exclusive, don't change or twist other peoples wording to fit in with your argument.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: Quote - "The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond. He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity" ---------- How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"? Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre?[/p][/quote]Can you cite some evidence that the bazaar will be exclusive to Asians only? If not, then I would advise you to stop getting your racist nonsense from the vile BNP/EDL scum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article it states it is a Council report (so some degree of officialness) that says it is to be "aimed at the South Asian community". A councillor tries to counter that statement, but the fact is the Council have said it. And don't you insinuate I am racist because I am quoting the above article and asking a question about it. How can 'diversity' be in this case, aiming an "Asian bazaar" to the "South Asian Community"? Those are the council's words, not mine. I never said exclusive, don't change or twist other peoples wording to fit in with your argument. Rambo
  • Score: 16

12:49pm Fri 17 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I hope you enjoyed it.

http://www.scoresont


hedoors.org.uk/busin


ess/pakeezah-superst


ore--83677.html
Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday.
No. Applies to the one where you buy your meat. Blurgh!
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I hope you enjoyed it. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/pakeezah-superst ore--83677.html[/p][/quote]Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday.[/p][/quote]No. Applies to the one where you buy your meat. Blurgh! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 5

12:54pm Fri 17 Jan 14

allannicho says...

The Council should have updated Rawson Market, everybody
liked it. The New building was bound to fail and it did,
hence a huge Sari/Curry store now.
The Council should have updated Rawson Market, everybody liked it. The New building was bound to fail and it did, hence a huge Sari/Curry store now. allannicho
  • Score: 4

1:17pm Fri 17 Jan 14

MrQuinque says...

Why say "Ethnic" market or "Asian Bazzar"? Bradford's immigrant community is far more diverse than just those of south asian origin and south asian migration to the area is falling. How about just calling it an International market, providing a dedicated location for the diverse community to provide the unique products of each culture not only to their own community but also to open minded shoppers from beyond that Limited demographic. Such a place wouldn't need to be incorporated into any new combined market (which I agree must happen) but could stand on its own merit as a retail location.
Why say "Ethnic" market or "Asian Bazzar"? Bradford's immigrant community is far more diverse than just those of south asian origin and south asian migration to the area is falling. How about just calling it an International market, providing a dedicated location for the diverse community to provide the unique products of each culture not only to their own community but also to open minded shoppers from beyond that Limited demographic. Such a place wouldn't need to be incorporated into any new combined market (which I agree must happen) but could stand on its own merit as a retail location. MrQuinque
  • Score: 14

1:33pm Fri 17 Jan 14

StevieLad says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Can we find out if this is going to be council funded in anyway?
Well they are not getting any business rates from it at the moment, and they won't be getting any business rates from Tradex
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Can we find out if this is going to be council funded in anyway?[/p][/quote]Well they are not getting any business rates from it at the moment, and they won't be getting any business rates from Tradex StevieLad
  • Score: 6

1:36pm Fri 17 Jan 14

The Hoffster says...

Rambo wrote:
The Hoffster wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Quote -
"The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond.

He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity"

----------

How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"?

Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre?
Can you cite some evidence that the bazaar will be exclusive to Asians only?

If not, then I would advise you to stop getting your racist nonsense from the vile BNP/EDL scum.
If you read the article it states it is a Council report (so some degree of officialness) that says it is to be "aimed at the South Asian community". A councillor tries to counter that statement, but the fact is the Council have said it.

And don't you insinuate I am racist because I am quoting the above article and asking a question about it. How can 'diversity' be in this case, aiming an "Asian bazaar" to the "South Asian Community"?

Those are the council's words, not mine. I never said exclusive, don't change or twist other peoples wording to fit in with your argument.
Whether it's aimed at certain communities or not, is there any implication that anyone outside of those communities won't be able to shop there?
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: Quote - "The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. But Coun Shabbir said he was keen for it to serve all communities, and a truly diverse bazaar could attract people from all over Bradford and beyond. He said: “We can make our ‘unique selling point’ our diversity" ---------- How it be "diverse" if it is only "aimed at the South Asian community"? Surely 'diverse' implies something like the food market in Manchester's Arndale centre?[/p][/quote]Can you cite some evidence that the bazaar will be exclusive to Asians only? If not, then I would advise you to stop getting your racist nonsense from the vile BNP/EDL scum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article it states it is a Council report (so some degree of officialness) that says it is to be "aimed at the South Asian community". A councillor tries to counter that statement, but the fact is the Council have said it. And don't you insinuate I am racist because I am quoting the above article and asking a question about it. How can 'diversity' be in this case, aiming an "Asian bazaar" to the "South Asian Community"? Those are the council's words, not mine. I never said exclusive, don't change or twist other peoples wording to fit in with your argument.[/p][/quote]Whether it's aimed at certain communities or not, is there any implication that anyone outside of those communities won't be able to shop there? The Hoffster
  • Score: -5

1:38pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Farsley Bantam says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote: I hope you enjoyed it. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/pakeezah-superst ore--83677.html
Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday.
No. Applies to the one where you buy your meat. Blurgh!
I've been buying food from there for years (meat, fish, veg, everything) and have suffered absolutely no ill effects in all that time. I'm not surprised by the poor hygene rating though as it is filthy in there (when compared with a Western supermarket) Doesn't stop me going back though as it is exceptional value and good quality stuff (I am white btw)
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I hope you enjoyed it. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/pakeezah-superst ore--83677.html[/p][/quote]Sincerely doubt that those scores apply to this outlet, it only opened on Saturday.[/p][/quote]No. Applies to the one where you buy your meat. Blurgh![/p][/quote]I've been buying food from there for years (meat, fish, veg, everything) and have suffered absolutely no ill effects in all that time. I'm not surprised by the poor hygene rating though as it is filthy in there (when compared with a Western supermarket) Doesn't stop me going back though as it is exceptional value and good quality stuff (I am white btw) Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -3

1:49pm Fri 17 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

So you buy meat from a filthy shop because it's cheap. Each to their own.
So you buy meat from a filthy shop because it's cheap. Each to their own. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 11

1:58pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Farsley Bantam says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
So you buy meat from a filthy shop because it's cheap. Each to their own.
And good quality. To be honest if the hygene was so poor that it was a danger to health then it would be shut down. This hasn't happened and as I said I have been eating food from there every week for many years with no ill effects at all.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: So you buy meat from a filthy shop because it's cheap. Each to their own.[/p][/quote]And good quality. To be honest if the hygene was so poor that it was a danger to health then it would be shut down. This hasn't happened and as I said I have been eating food from there every week for many years with no ill effects at all. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 1

2:17pm Fri 17 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

Fair enough. I wouldn't personally buy from somewhere filthy. As far as I'm concerned, the least you should expect from somewhere that sells meat or food is a clean and hygienic environment.
Fair enough. I wouldn't personally buy from somewhere filthy. As far as I'm concerned, the least you should expect from somewhere that sells meat or food is a clean and hygienic environment. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 9

2:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

The Hoffster wrote:
Apollo wrote:
'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”.

Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at?

The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity?

Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it?
So people can't sell goods aimed at certain communities ?

Where do you think you live ? - in Soviet Russia ?
You might want to read up on multiculturalism in Pakistan (or lack of ) and then get back to us.

Plenty of religious diversity there too right?

The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
[quote][p][bold]The Hoffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: 'The new shopping attraction is described as an ‘Asian bazaar’ in a new Council report, which says it will “offer about 100 stalls selling goods and products aimed at the South Asian community”. Which bit of the above taken directly from the report does not make it clear exactly who this is for and aimed at? The question is why? Others have commented upon the lack of willingness on the part of some to integrate one jot. I therefore question why my money is being used to foster division under the banner of diversity? Multiculturalism has been the biggest social disaster this country has ever seen. Why do we continue to go along with it?[/p][/quote]So people can't sell goods aimed at certain communities ? Where do you think you live ? - in Soviet Russia ?[/p][/quote]You might want to read up on multiculturalism in Pakistan (or lack of ) and then get back to us. Plenty of religious diversity there too right? The hypocrisy is breathtaking. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 12

2:28pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
So you buy meat from a filthy shop because it's cheap. Each to their own.
And good quality. To be honest if the hygene was so poor that it was a danger to health then it would be shut down. This hasn't happened and as I said I have been eating food from there every week for many years with no ill effects at all.
Ditto... The chicken is great quality, the frozen fish great value and quality. The veg is as fresh as anywhere in Bradford due to being brought in daily from St James market where all Bradford's fruit n veg comes from.

Can you vouch for your greengrocer?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: So you buy meat from a filthy shop because it's cheap. Each to their own.[/p][/quote]And good quality. To be honest if the hygene was so poor that it was a danger to health then it would be shut down. This hasn't happened and as I said I have been eating food from there every week for many years with no ill effects at all.[/p][/quote]Ditto... The chicken is great quality, the frozen fish great value and quality. The veg is as fresh as anywhere in Bradford due to being brought in daily from St James market where all Bradford's fruit n veg comes from. Can you vouch for your greengrocer? Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 6

3:27pm Fri 17 Jan 14

basil fawlty says...

allannicho wrote:
The Council should have updated Rawson Market, everybody liked it. The New building was bound to fail and it did, hence a huge Sari/Curry store now.
The new building was meant to just be temporary whilst they modernised Rawson Market and then all the meat/fruit/fish traders werre meant to return, Thanks to the incompetence of the Council the whole process took so long that most of the traders went out of business. Somewhere along the way the Council abaonded the original plan and tried to turn Rawson into a specialist asian shopping centre. Then that plan failed and we ended up with Wilkinsons store. So a fantastic market gone forever and a lot of takpayer's monet was wasted on the temporary market that has been empty for years. Only in Bradford!
[quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: The Council should have updated Rawson Market, everybody liked it. The New building was bound to fail and it did, hence a huge Sari/Curry store now.[/p][/quote]The new building was meant to just be temporary whilst they modernised Rawson Market and then all the meat/fruit/fish traders werre meant to return, Thanks to the incompetence of the Council the whole process took so long that most of the traders went out of business. Somewhere along the way the Council abaonded the original plan and tried to turn Rawson into a specialist asian shopping centre. Then that plan failed and we ended up with Wilkinsons store. So a fantastic market gone forever and a lot of takpayer's monet was wasted on the temporary market that has been empty for years. Only in Bradford! basil fawlty
  • Score: 22

3:41pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Avro says...

And lets not forget that most of the Rawson Quarter units have laid empty since the rebuild!
And lets not forget that most of the Rawson Quarter units have laid empty since the rebuild! Avro
  • Score: 14

10:12pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Helen28 says...

where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar.
And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased.
where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar. And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased. Helen28
  • Score: 8

11:20pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Can we find out if this is going to be council funded in anyway?
Of course it is.
They built it at a cost of £12 million.
It was used by fish and meat stallholders from Rawson when that was pulled apart.
But nobody went through probably location so it has been empty for 10 years.
Whilst the sewars of Oastler constantly block with grease and offal.
At least the taxpayer should get some proper rent.
I sincerely hope the stallholders pay £10000 a year as my friend for a postage stamp stall in Oastler.
But if its a trial they will no doubt pay sod all.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Can we find out if this is going to be council funded in anyway?[/p][/quote]Of course it is. They built it at a cost of £12 million. It was used by fish and meat stallholders from Rawson when that was pulled apart. But nobody went through probably location so it has been empty for 10 years. Whilst the sewars of Oastler constantly block with grease and offal. At least the taxpayer should get some proper rent. I sincerely hope the stallholders pay £10000 a year as my friend for a postage stamp stall in Oastler. But if its a trial they will no doubt pay sod all. Ahrmen Aleg
  • Score: 10

11:55pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Helen28 wrote:
where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar.
And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased.
It was a market ten years ago Helen.
I see only about 30 councillors out of 90 no majority.
But the Race Relations Act 1968 has resulted in pandering to political correctness ever since.
I see little integration.
From the "World Mile" of Westgate to Whetley Hill to the entire length of Leeds Road To Duckworth Lane as far as BRI.
The Asian shops are 100 per cent.
I fear for our city centre development of Westfield.
Asians create their own retail areas.
So what hope for Next Debenhams and Marks in Westfield?

Only time will tell.

My prediction


A DISASTER.

Of course if that is how they want it in a free market economy there is little point objecting..
The only diversity I see from all this multicultural nonsense is a split in Bradford with the Asians having their shops and the former indigenous Bradfordian having none.

I welcome their shops but wish they would support in serious numbers the traditional british shop.
We all love Akbars and many other delightfull eateries they have brought.

But other retail outlets are unsupported otherwise they would not have all closed or be closing.

You can take a horse to water.
Perhaps this is why Debenhams pulled out of Bradford 30 years ago.The writing on the wall.Whats changed?Shopping habits of Asians and confidence to compete?
Good luck to them.
They form a majority in inner city dwelling space.
So as Avro puts it the inevitable is coming to pass.

But thankfully we can all sit next to each other on"t bus.
Now that was a truly unacceptable face of apartheid.
[quote][p][bold]Helen28[/bold] wrote: where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar. And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased.[/p][/quote]It was a market ten years ago Helen. I see only about 30 councillors out of 90 no majority. But the Race Relations Act 1968 has resulted in pandering to political correctness ever since. I see little integration. From the "World Mile" of Westgate to Whetley Hill to the entire length of Leeds Road To Duckworth Lane as far as BRI. The Asian shops are 100 per cent. I fear for our city centre development of Westfield. Asians create their own retail areas. So what hope for Next Debenhams and Marks in Westfield? Only time will tell. My prediction A DISASTER. Of course if that is how they want it in a free market economy there is little point objecting.. The only diversity I see from all this multicultural nonsense is a split in Bradford with the Asians having their shops and the former indigenous Bradfordian having none. I welcome their shops but wish they would support in serious numbers the traditional british shop. We all love Akbars and many other delightfull eateries they have brought. But other retail outlets are unsupported otherwise they would not have all closed or be closing. You can take a horse to water. Perhaps this is why Debenhams pulled out of Bradford 30 years ago.The writing on the wall.Whats changed?Shopping habits of Asians and confidence to compete? Good luck to them. They form a majority in inner city dwelling space. So as Avro puts it the inevitable is coming to pass. But thankfully we can all sit next to each other on"t bus. Now that was a truly unacceptable face of apartheid. Ahrmen Aleg
  • Score: 2

12:08am Sat 18 Jan 14

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Helen28 wrote:
where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar.
And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased.
It was a market ten years ago Helen.
I see only about 30 councillors out of 90 no majority.
But the Race Relations Act 1968 has resulted in pandering to political correctness ever since.
I see little integration.
From the "World Mile" of Westgate to Whetley Hill to the entire length of Leeds Road To Duckworth Lane as far as BRI.
The Asian shops are 100 per cent.
I fear for our city centre development of Westfield.
Asians create their own retail areas.
So what hope for Next Debenhams and Marks in Westfield?

Only time will tell.

My prediction


A DISASTER.

Of course if that is how they want it in a free market economy there is little point objecting..
The only diversity I see from all this multicultural nonsense is a split in Bradford with the Asians having their shops and the former indigenous Bradfordian having none.

I welcome their shops but wish they would support in serious numbers the traditional british shop.
We all love Akbars and many other delightfull eateries they have brought.

But other retail outlets are unsupported otherwise they would not have all closed or be closing.

You can take a horse to water.
Perhaps this is why Debenhams pulled out of Bradford 30 years ago.The writing on the wall.Whats changed?Shopping habits of Asians and confidence to compete?
Good luck to them.
They form a majority in inner city dwelling space.
So as Avro puts it the inevitable is coming to pass.

But thankfully we can all sit next to each other on"t bus.
Now that was a truly unacceptable face of apartheid.
Even Asda are in on the "Winds Of Change"

I have been using the Adsa at cemetery road since opening in preference to Morrisons that since Ken left I think is rapidly losing it.
In fact the Girlington store manager of Morrisons was telling me they were dragging Ken out of retirement for advice.

The fresh meat stall in that Asda is selling 100 per cent Halal
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen28[/bold] wrote: where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar. And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased.[/p][/quote]It was a market ten years ago Helen. I see only about 30 councillors out of 90 no majority. But the Race Relations Act 1968 has resulted in pandering to political correctness ever since. I see little integration. From the "World Mile" of Westgate to Whetley Hill to the entire length of Leeds Road To Duckworth Lane as far as BRI. The Asian shops are 100 per cent. I fear for our city centre development of Westfield. Asians create their own retail areas. So what hope for Next Debenhams and Marks in Westfield? Only time will tell. My prediction A DISASTER. Of course if that is how they want it in a free market economy there is little point objecting.. The only diversity I see from all this multicultural nonsense is a split in Bradford with the Asians having their shops and the former indigenous Bradfordian having none. I welcome their shops but wish they would support in serious numbers the traditional british shop. We all love Akbars and many other delightfull eateries they have brought. But other retail outlets are unsupported otherwise they would not have all closed or be closing. You can take a horse to water. Perhaps this is why Debenhams pulled out of Bradford 30 years ago.The writing on the wall.Whats changed?Shopping habits of Asians and confidence to compete? Good luck to them. They form a majority in inner city dwelling space. So as Avro puts it the inevitable is coming to pass. But thankfully we can all sit next to each other on"t bus. Now that was a truly unacceptable face of apartheid.[/p][/quote]Even Asda are in on the "Winds Of Change" I have been using the Adsa at cemetery road since opening in preference to Morrisons that since Ken left I think is rapidly losing it. In fact the Girlington store manager of Morrisons was telling me they were dragging Ken out of retirement for advice. The fresh meat stall in that Asda is selling 100 per cent Halal Ahrmen Aleg
  • Score: 5

12:14am Sat 18 Jan 14

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Helen28 wrote:
where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar.
And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased.
It was a market ten years ago Helen.
I see only about 30 councillors out of 90 no majority.
But the Race Relations Act 1968 has resulted in pandering to political correctness ever since.
I see little integration.
From the "World Mile" of Westgate to Whetley Hill to the entire length of Leeds Road To Duckworth Lane as far as BRI.
The Asian shops are 100 per cent.
I fear for our city centre development of Westfield.
Asians create their own retail areas.
So what hope for Next Debenhams and Marks in Westfield?

Only time will tell.

My prediction


A DISASTER.

Of course if that is how they want it in a free market economy there is little point objecting..
The only diversity I see from all this multicultural nonsense is a split in Bradford with the Asians having their shops and the former indigenous Bradfordian having none.

I welcome their shops but wish they would support in serious numbers the traditional british shop.
We all love Akbars and many other delightfull eateries they have brought.

But other retail outlets are unsupported otherwise they would not have all closed or be closing.

You can take a horse to water.
Perhaps this is why Debenhams pulled out of Bradford 30 years ago.The writing on the wall.Whats changed?Shopping habits of Asians and confidence to compete?
Good luck to them.
They form a majority in inner city dwelling space.
So as Avro puts it the inevitable is coming to pass.

But thankfully we can all sit next to each other on"t bus.
Now that was a truly unacceptable face of apartheid.
Sorry Avro it was Albion said that.But perhaps we all see the transition to its inevitable conclusion.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen28[/bold] wrote: where are the shoppers going to park???? I expect double parking and no parking wardens and chaos - the council are nuts. Imagine if an English Market was advertised in this way - there would be uproar. And as for people paying rates - the high ethnic job seeker masses are not paying a penny - as always the council panders to certain sections of the community and the rest of us can go whistle - the councillor majority from the Asian community just makes the Council biased.[/p][/quote]It was a market ten years ago Helen. I see only about 30 councillors out of 90 no majority. But the Race Relations Act 1968 has resulted in pandering to political correctness ever since. I see little integration. From the "World Mile" of Westgate to Whetley Hill to the entire length of Leeds Road To Duckworth Lane as far as BRI. The Asian shops are 100 per cent. I fear for our city centre development of Westfield. Asians create their own retail areas. So what hope for Next Debenhams and Marks in Westfield? Only time will tell. My prediction A DISASTER. Of course if that is how they want it in a free market economy there is little point objecting.. The only diversity I see from all this multicultural nonsense is a split in Bradford with the Asians having their shops and the former indigenous Bradfordian having none. I welcome their shops but wish they would support in serious numbers the traditional british shop. We all love Akbars and many other delightfull eateries they have brought. But other retail outlets are unsupported otherwise they would not have all closed or be closing. You can take a horse to water. Perhaps this is why Debenhams pulled out of Bradford 30 years ago.The writing on the wall.Whats changed?Shopping habits of Asians and confidence to compete? Good luck to them. They form a majority in inner city dwelling space. So as Avro puts it the inevitable is coming to pass. But thankfully we can all sit next to each other on"t bus. Now that was a truly unacceptable face of apartheid.[/p][/quote]Sorry Avro it was Albion said that.But perhaps we all see the transition to its inevitable conclusion. Ahrmen Aleg
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

cityofdreams says...

the oxford English dictionary says...a market in a Middle Eastern country.
http://www.oxforddic
tionaries.com/defini
tion/english/bazaar
the oxford English dictionary says...a market in a Middle Eastern country. http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com/defini tion/english/bazaar cityofdreams
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Mon 20 Jan 14

mattshaw says...

Maybe the percentage spent should somehow equate to the percentage of ethnic taxpayers in the region?
Maybe the percentage spent should somehow equate to the percentage of ethnic taxpayers in the region? mattshaw
  • Score: 2

8:06am Tue 21 Jan 14

hx3bantam says...

Sounds good. The vacant shops need filling. Looks like Bradford is starting to get to it's feet again. About time an' all! You just need a decent music scene again like you had in the '70/'80s.
Sounds good. The vacant shops need filling. Looks like Bradford is starting to get to it's feet again. About time an' all! You just need a decent music scene again like you had in the '70/'80s. hx3bantam
  • Score: 0

9:00am Tue 21 Jan 14

Unethical_ says...

Same old rhetoric from a bunch of racist rat spunked Bradfordians. The Asian community are doing well, what a fantastic idea.
Same old rhetoric from a bunch of racist rat spunked Bradfordians. The Asian community are doing well, what a fantastic idea. Unethical_
  • Score: -3

12:18pm Tue 21 Jan 14

plowsy says...

Oh dear you are all getting a little hot under the collar.
I agree a culturally diverse market is a great idea but yes it should cater for many cultures, tastes and communities. However to use words like "Apartheid", "Racist" is a little over the top. It's a market which will not be allowed to exclude anyone based on race, religion, etc.
Maybe, rather than venting your spleen on this website, you should contact your councillor's and express your views to them. This way you may get change for the good and less anger. Just a thought.
Oh dear you are all getting a little hot under the collar. I agree a culturally diverse market is a great idea but yes it should cater for many cultures, tastes and communities. However to use words like "Apartheid", "Racist" is a little over the top. It's a market which will not be allowed to exclude anyone based on race, religion, etc. Maybe, rather than venting your spleen on this website, you should contact your councillor's and express your views to them. This way you may get change for the good and less anger. Just a thought. plowsy
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Tue 21 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

Unethical_ wrote:
Same old rhetoric from a bunch of racist rat spunked Bradfordians. The Asian community are doing well, what a fantastic idea.
"Rat spunked Bradfordians"?

A certain population accounts for a ridiculously disproportionate number of abnormal births (or genetic mutations as they're sometimes known). What kind of **** causes that?
[quote][p][bold]Unethical_[/bold] wrote: Same old rhetoric from a bunch of racist rat spunked Bradfordians. The Asian community are doing well, what a fantastic idea.[/p][/quote]"Rat spunked Bradfordians"? A certain population accounts for a ridiculously disproportionate number of abnormal births (or genetic mutations as they're sometimes known). What kind of **** causes that? SinnerSaint
  • Score: -3

1:51pm Tue 21 Jan 14

SinnerSaint says...

*s punk
*s punk SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

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