Bradford Council approves plan for new hotel in Little Germany

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The buildings at 47-53 Well Street which are now set to be converted into a hotel after the Council decision The buildings at 47-53 Well Street which are now set to be converted into a hotel after the Council decision

A new city centre hotel, destined to overlook Bradford’s long-awaited £260 million Broadway shopping centre, has received approval from council planning officers.

Permission has been given to convert two 19th-century, Grade II listed office buildings at 47-53 Well Street in Little Germany into a new 55-bedroom complex, also including a retail unit or restaurant. The two former Victorian textile warehouses, dating back to the 1860s, have been empty since 2006 when the Equity Insurance Group moved a call centre out of the city.

Leeds-based estate agents Steadman Brierley are acting as co-agents on the project, alongside fellow Leeds firm, Colliers, on behalf of the building’s London owner, Alpha Real Capital.

Tom Robertshaw, a consultant for Steadman Brierley, said: “We are grateful to Bradford Council for the speed in which they processed the application and their enthusiasm for the project.

“We have been looking at potential operators for the site, and will now firm up discussions with those parties.

“The development provides a good mix for both office workers and leisure users in the Little Germany area, and we are confident of interest in a site on the doorstep of a high-profile retail development. The design will remain complementary to the are.”

The architects behind the hotel’s design, Saltaire-based Riverside Design Studio, also designed the £3.5 million, 69-bedroom Travelodge hotel in Valley Road which opened in 2012.

Announcing the original plans for Well Street in October last year, its director Francesco Pacitto said the firm was “excited to be involved with the regeneration of such a prominent example of architectural heritage,” adding that feedback from public consultation towards the scheme had been “extremely pleasing.”

Construction on the shopping centre, which will include high street names such as Debenhams, Marks & Spencer and River Island, finally began this week and a Westfield spokesman welcomed the potential new hotel.

He said: “Broadway is just one key part of the regeneration of Bradford as a whole, and we want to create an exciting environment for other developers to come forward.”

Councillor Nazam Azam (Lab, City) said: “This project is great news and shows that confidence is returning for developers willing to invest in Bradford,” he said. “Schemes like this, alongside Westfield, shows we are now moving forward.”

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9:03am Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Yay another 1/4 filled generic chain hotel
Yay another 1/4 filled generic chain hotel Andy2010

9:36am Thu 9 Jan 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building! Bone_idle18

11:27am Thu 9 Jan 14

Avro says...

Great that an empty building is to be brought back into use, but a gamble as a hotel and that Westfield will come to fruition.
Great that an empty building is to be brought back into use, but a gamble as a hotel and that Westfield will come to fruition. Avro

11:49am Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany Andy2010

11:51am Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ? Andy2010

12:18pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area! Bone_idle18

12:26pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
Really?

You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area![/p][/quote]Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield? Andy2010

1:34pm Thu 9 Jan 14

allinittogether says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
Really?

You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?
Trolling again Andy?
Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area![/p][/quote]Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?[/p][/quote]Trolling again Andy? Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector. allinittogether

2:03pm Thu 9 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

Great news regarding the hotel and possible restaurant. Have always thought the magnificent buildings in Little Germany have been under utilised. Love the area, some of the great Bradfordians had their warehouses there, Sir Jacob Behrens and Jacob Moser to name but two.
Great news regarding the hotel and possible restaurant. Have always thought the magnificent buildings in Little Germany have been under utilised. Love the area, some of the great Bradfordians had their warehouses there, Sir Jacob Behrens and Jacob Moser to name but two. bcfc1903

2:04pm Thu 9 Jan 14

basil fawlty says...

More good news. I expect we will see many more buildings finally coming back into use now that the shopping centre is back underway. Market Street in particular is surely going to re-emerge as a prime city centre site for both shops and restaurants. Already the Old Bank pub is set to reopen. Little Germany is already a much improved area compared to 20 years ago, but will hopefully now attract many more businesses and dwellers now that the unsightly hole is being replaced by the brand new shopping centre.
More good news. I expect we will see many more buildings finally coming back into use now that the shopping centre is back underway. Market Street in particular is surely going to re-emerge as a prime city centre site for both shops and restaurants. Already the Old Bank pub is set to reopen. Little Germany is already a much improved area compared to 20 years ago, but will hopefully now attract many more businesses and dwellers now that the unsightly hole is being replaced by the brand new shopping centre. basil fawlty

2:18pm Thu 9 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

basil fawlty wrote:
More good news. I expect we will see many more buildings finally coming back into use now that the shopping centre is back underway. Market Street in particular is surely going to re-emerge as a prime city centre site for both shops and restaurants. Already the Old Bank pub is set to reopen. Little Germany is already a much improved area compared to 20 years ago, but will hopefully now attract many more businesses and dwellers now that the unsightly hole is being replaced by the brand new shopping centre.
Totally agree regarding Market Street,

I believe as you do that over the last 20years Little Germany has improved greatly. It can have much more to offer regarding business and heritage tours. That area of Bradford thank goodness was left for the most part intact, regarding the vandalism of the 60's.
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: More good news. I expect we will see many more buildings finally coming back into use now that the shopping centre is back underway. Market Street in particular is surely going to re-emerge as a prime city centre site for both shops and restaurants. Already the Old Bank pub is set to reopen. Little Germany is already a much improved area compared to 20 years ago, but will hopefully now attract many more businesses and dwellers now that the unsightly hole is being replaced by the brand new shopping centre.[/p][/quote]Totally agree regarding Market Street, I believe as you do that over the last 20years Little Germany has improved greatly. It can have much more to offer regarding business and heritage tours. That area of Bradford thank goodness was left for the most part intact, regarding the vandalism of the 60's. bcfc1903

2:18pm Thu 9 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

basil fawlty wrote:
More good news. I expect we will see many more buildings finally coming back into use now that the shopping centre is back underway. Market Street in particular is surely going to re-emerge as a prime city centre site for both shops and restaurants. Already the Old Bank pub is set to reopen. Little Germany is already a much improved area compared to 20 years ago, but will hopefully now attract many more businesses and dwellers now that the unsightly hole is being replaced by the brand new shopping centre.
Totally agree regarding Market Street,

I believe as you do that over the last 20years Little Germany has improved greatly. It can have much more to offer regarding business and heritage tours. That area of Bradford thank goodness was left for the most part intact, regarding the vandalism of the 60's.
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: More good news. I expect we will see many more buildings finally coming back into use now that the shopping centre is back underway. Market Street in particular is surely going to re-emerge as a prime city centre site for both shops and restaurants. Already the Old Bank pub is set to reopen. Little Germany is already a much improved area compared to 20 years ago, but will hopefully now attract many more businesses and dwellers now that the unsightly hole is being replaced by the brand new shopping centre.[/p][/quote]Totally agree regarding Market Street, I believe as you do that over the last 20years Little Germany has improved greatly. It can have much more to offer regarding business and heritage tours. That area of Bradford thank goodness was left for the most part intact, regarding the vandalism of the 60's. bcfc1903

2:25pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

allinittogether wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
Really?

You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?
Trolling again Andy?
Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.
yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling

you fool

My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area.

Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area![/p][/quote]Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?[/p][/quote]Trolling again Andy? Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.[/p][/quote]yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling you fool My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area. Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid Andy2010

2:42pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex.

As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back.

The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall.

I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.
Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex. As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back. The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall. I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean. Andy2010

2:44pm Thu 9 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

Was actually on Market Street this morning, there's a buzz already about the place as the JCB's were busy digging on the Westfield site. Got to recommend the Watersones coffee house in the Wool Exchange, excellent coffee and a very relaxing atmosphere. What an absolutely magnificent building that is.
Was actually on Market Street this morning, there's a buzz already about the place as the JCB's were busy digging on the Westfield site. Got to recommend the Watersones coffee house in the Wool Exchange, excellent coffee and a very relaxing atmosphere. What an absolutely magnificent building that is. bcfc1903

2:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

allinittogether says...

Andy2010 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
Really?

You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?
Trolling again Andy?
Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.
yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling

you fool

My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area.

Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid
I'm nobodies fool.
Trolling is being deliberately provocative to wind up others online and that's all you ever seem to do never having anything constructive to offer other than run down Bradford and the attempts made to improve it. Usually comparing it badly with other cities in the region.
If you dislike Bradford so much why not move?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area![/p][/quote]Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?[/p][/quote]Trolling again Andy? Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.[/p][/quote]yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling you fool My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area. Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid[/p][/quote]I'm nobodies fool. Trolling is being deliberately provocative to wind up others online and that's all you ever seem to do never having anything constructive to offer other than run down Bradford and the attempts made to improve it. Usually comparing it badly with other cities in the region. If you dislike Bradford so much why not move? allinittogether

3:18pm Thu 9 Jan 14

ravacity says...

Andy2010 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
Really?

You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?
Trolling again Andy?
Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.
yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling

you fool

My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area.

Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid
"Fool and stupid" why so nasty and aggressive,try being nice.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area![/p][/quote]Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?[/p][/quote]Trolling again Andy? Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.[/p][/quote]yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling you fool My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area. Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid[/p][/quote]"Fool and stupid" why so nasty and aggressive,try being nice. ravacity

3:27pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

allinittogether wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
Really?

You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?
Trolling again Andy?
Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.
yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling

you fool

My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area.

Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid
I'm nobodies fool.
Trolling is being deliberately provocative to wind up others online and that's all you ever seem to do never having anything constructive to offer other than run down Bradford and the attempts made to improve it. Usually comparing it badly with other cities in the region.
If you dislike Bradford so much why not move?
I dont live in Bradford but lived there for 45 years of my life. I was one of the lucky ones who got out.

C'mon on then why is "Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield" trolling?

Please explain Mr Internet Policeman

I'm all for Bradford to be on the up but and my points stands that the areas being "invested" in such as Westfield / Hotels etc etc add nothing to the future of the city. The only solution is to attract business here. Obviously Bradford cannot compete with Leeds for example but its missing a niche market in that it doesn't promote the closeness of the two cities. I work with a lot of people from Leeds or who have recently moved to Leeds and to be honest when I ask them about why they don't for example live in Bradford and commute etc its like they don't even know Bradford exists.

The Council could easily address this but they have different ideas outside of what is achievable in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area![/p][/quote]Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?[/p][/quote]Trolling again Andy? Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.[/p][/quote]yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling you fool My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area. Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid[/p][/quote]I'm nobodies fool. Trolling is being deliberately provocative to wind up others online and that's all you ever seem to do never having anything constructive to offer other than run down Bradford and the attempts made to improve it. Usually comparing it badly with other cities in the region. If you dislike Bradford so much why not move?[/p][/quote]I dont live in Bradford but lived there for 45 years of my life. I was one of the lucky ones who got out. C'mon on then why is "Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield" trolling? Please explain Mr Internet Policeman I'm all for Bradford to be on the up but and my points stands that the areas being "invested" in such as Westfield / Hotels etc etc add nothing to the future of the city. The only solution is to attract business here. Obviously Bradford cannot compete with Leeds for example but its missing a niche market in that it doesn't promote the closeness of the two cities. I work with a lot of people from Leeds or who have recently moved to Leeds and to be honest when I ask them about why they don't for example live in Bradford and commute etc its like they don't even know Bradford exists. The Council could easily address this but they have different ideas outside of what is achievable in Bradford. Andy2010

4:22pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex.

As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back.

The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall.

I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.
I'm not championing it, I'm just saying it wont hurt to have a decent shopping centre in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex. As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back. The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall. I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.[/p][/quote]I'm not championing it, I'm just saying it wont hurt to have a decent shopping centre in Bradford. Bone_idle18

4:28pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Avro says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news regarding the hotel and possible restaurant. Have always thought the magnificent buildings in Little Germany have been under utilised. Love the area, some of the great Bradfordians had their warehouses there, Sir Jacob Behrens and Jacob Moser to name but two.
I think that the 'great' Bradfordians would be turning in their graves if they could see the state of the city now!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news regarding the hotel and possible restaurant. Have always thought the magnificent buildings in Little Germany have been under utilised. Love the area, some of the great Bradfordians had their warehouses there, Sir Jacob Behrens and Jacob Moser to name but two.[/p][/quote]I think that the 'great' Bradfordians would be turning in their graves if they could see the state of the city now! Avro

4:37pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Avro says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex.

As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back.

The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall.

I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.
Where have Debenhams reported that their expansion plans suspended?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex. As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back. The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall. I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.[/p][/quote]Where have Debenhams reported that their expansion plans suspended? Avro

5:00pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Andy2010 says...

Avro wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex.

As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back.

The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall.

I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.
Where have Debenhams reported that their expansion plans suspended?
2 days ago in the Times
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex. As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back. The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall. I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.[/p][/quote]Where have Debenhams reported that their expansion plans suspended?[/p][/quote]2 days ago in the Times Andy2010

5:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Avro says...

Do you have a link?
Do you have a link? Avro

7:20pm Thu 9 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

Avro wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great news regarding the hotel and possible restaurant. Have always thought the magnificent buildings in Little Germany have been under utilised. Love the area, some of the great Bradfordians had their warehouses there, Sir Jacob Behrens and Jacob Moser to name but two.
I think that the 'great' Bradfordians would be turning in their graves if they could see the state of the city now!
The city probably had far worse problems when those two brilliant wool merchants were living, as philanthropists, they helped people far less fortunate than themselves and also helped to bring great wealth into the city by their business prowess. Who knows how the burgeoning city of Bradford would have faired had the Ist World War not intervened. If those gentlemen had been alive today, I would imagine that far from moaning about the state of Bradford, they would be working hard to make things better for everyone in the city.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great news regarding the hotel and possible restaurant. Have always thought the magnificent buildings in Little Germany have been under utilised. Love the area, some of the great Bradfordians had their warehouses there, Sir Jacob Behrens and Jacob Moser to name but two.[/p][/quote]I think that the 'great' Bradfordians would be turning in their graves if they could see the state of the city now![/p][/quote]The city probably had far worse problems when those two brilliant wool merchants were living, as philanthropists, they helped people far less fortunate than themselves and also helped to bring great wealth into the city by their business prowess. Who knows how the burgeoning city of Bradford would have faired had the Ist World War not intervened. If those gentlemen had been alive today, I would imagine that far from moaning about the state of Bradford, they would be working hard to make things better for everyone in the city. bcfc1903

1:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building!
Its only permission which means nothing really

Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about.

Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany
Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area

How many hotels does this city need ?

And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?
Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra!

Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area!
Really?

You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?
Trolling again Andy?
Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.
yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling

you fool

My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area.

Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid
And Hotels, Shopping centres and restaurants aren't businesses are they? Doh!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Better than a zero filled rotting, derelict building![/p][/quote]Its only permission which means nothing really Now if was announced to be built as a unique hotel with a first class restaurant and 5 star service and rooms that would be something to be excited about. Will however just be a dumping ground for immigrants as are the rest of the "apartments" in Little Germany[/p][/quote]Actually even better still would be better as what it was actually before...an office employing people and getting business to the area How many hotels does this city need ? And cmon but who in their right mind is going to go away and stop in Bradford just to go shopping in Westfield ?[/p][/quote]Shopping in Westfield, then on for a meal before seeing a show at the alhambra! Also, the move of FGH (Grattan) to Little Germany has helped boost the area. Once Broadway is build there'll be a direct pedestrian link to Little Germany, and that will revive the area![/p][/quote]Really? You seriously believe Little Germany will be revived into a busy cosmopolitan areas on completion of Westfield?[/p][/quote]Trolling again Andy? Must be a slow Thursday in the high flying corporate recruitment sector.[/p][/quote]yes because I forgot having an opinion of an area is trolling you fool My point is no matter what hotel or "restaurant" is opened it wont change the demographic of the area or the people that visit this. The only way to do this is by investing in businesses to attract them to the area. Obviously once you have removed your rose glasses you might understand this.....actually probably not as you really are that stupid[/p][/quote]And Hotels, Shopping centres and restaurants aren't businesses are they? Doh! Bone_idle18

1:56pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Avro says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Avro wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex.

As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back.

The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall.

I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.
Where have Debenhams reported that their expansion plans suspended?
2 days ago in the Times
Still waiting for you to provide a lnk, or could it be that you dreamed this up?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Its actually quite worrying the amount of people that are under the illusion that with Westfield built the whole problem of the city centre not just retail but also corporate will be sorted with one quick small scale shopping complex. As others have stated the only net gain currently is Debenhams who incidentally have now suspended any expansion plans for 2013 due to poor results so that one now needs to be knocked back. The shops on offer even if built are nothing to draw anyone with any disposable income in and even today the figures on unemployment in Bradford have once again risen where other areas in West Yorkshire they have dropped dramatically. Bradford not only have a retail problem but a cultural one that cant be fixed by building a small shopping mall. I just find it laughable that some people are now championing Westfield as a savour of the city and this small mall will resolve everything in Bradford. My point about a hotel stands as it really isn't needed. With occupancy rates so low in Bradford its beggars belief anyone would open another one but then again this is only planning permission and having that in place especially for a hotel increases the value for other purposes if you know what I mean.[/p][/quote]Where have Debenhams reported that their expansion plans suspended?[/p][/quote]2 days ago in the Times[/p][/quote]Still waiting for you to provide a lnk, or could it be that you dreamed this up? Avro

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