Bradford councillor Geoff Reid raises fears over youth service cuts

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Tanveer Hussain, right, and Adnan Azeen of Eccleshill Premier Carz Tanveer Hussain, right, and Adnan Azeen of Eccleshill Premier Carz

A Bradford councillor has warned that attacks on cab drivers on the Ravenscliffe estate are proof that cutting youth services could harm entire communities.

Drivers in the BD2 area met last week in response to a number of attacks on the estate, including robberies and cars regularly being pelted with stones.

Representatives of private hire companies decided that if violence against drivers continued, they would stop responding to calls from the estate.

During the meeting, drivers told Bradford East MP David Ward and ward councillors that it was often the youngsters of Ravenscliffe who were responsible for throwing stones and eggs at their vehicles, and said more should be done to get these young people off the streets.

Now ward councillors will visit the estate’s youth centre to try to bring an end to the vandalism, and think the facility could be the key. But they fear efforts to improve the community could be scuppered if services at the centre fall prey to cost-cutting measures by Bradford Council.

Last month, the authority revealed its proposed budget for 2014/15, which would see youth services cut by 75 per cent.

Councillor Geoff Reid (Lib Dem, Eccleshill) described the planned cuts as “folly” when youth services were so clearly needed in places like Ravenscliffe.

A meeting planned for next Tuesday will now discuss not only the planned cuts, but also ways to stop young people from making life miserable for cabbies.

Based on Roundwood Avenue, the youth centre offers after-school activities for young people, and councillors think it is vital to draw young people off the streets and get them involved in more wholesome activities.

Coun Reid said: “We arranged this meeting with the young people to discuss cuts in the youth service provision before the recent spate of attacks on drivers. However, these episodes of mindless and dangerous vandalism point up the folly of cutting youth services at Ravenscliffe Youth Centre.

“Ravenscliffe residents, adults and young people need to get a grip on this anti-social behaviour and they deserve support from Council services in doing so. This includes the youth service.

“The youth club is an obvious place for getting the message out that every stone thrown at a taxi or private hire car is not just an attack on ‘outsiders’.

“It is a threat to the social life of your own family, friends and neighbours on Ravenscliffe.”

Bradford Council is considering the views of the public on its spending plans and a final budget will be set at a special meeting at City Hall on February 20.

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7:11am Tue 31 Dec 13

Albion. says...

"A Bradford councillor has warned that attacks on cab drivers on the Ravenscliffe estate are proof that cutting youth services could harm entire communities."

So why have these attacks happened in spates over decades?
Obviously the cuts won't help anything but there are probably numerous reasons why people choose to assault others going about their business, or indeed anyone at all.
"A Bradford councillor has warned that attacks on cab drivers on the Ravenscliffe estate are proof that cutting youth services could harm entire communities." So why have these attacks happened in spates over decades? Obviously the cuts won't help anything but there are probably numerous reasons why people choose to assault others going about their business, or indeed anyone at all. Albion.

7:16am Tue 31 Dec 13

Steve30d says...

As Kippling said

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
"We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: –
"Though we know we should defeat you,
we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"
As Kippling said IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: – "We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away." And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane! It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look important and to say: – "Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you. We will therefore pay you cash to go away." And that is called paying the Dane-geld; But we've proved it again and again, That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld You never get rid of the Dane. It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation, For fear they should succumb and go astray; So when you are requested to pay up or be molested, You will find it better policy to say: -- "We never pay any-one Dane-geld, No matter how trifling the cost; For the end of that game is oppression and shame, And the nation that plays it is lost!" Steve30d

7:52am Tue 31 Dec 13

collos25 says...

If the police patrolled the area and actually arrested the culprits and the courts sentenced them the problem would be resolved instead there are no police the area is plagued by unlicenced motorbikes and law breakers of every persuasion the answer simple good oldfashioned policing is required 24/7.
If the police patrolled the area and actually arrested the culprits and the courts sentenced them the problem would be resolved instead there are no police the area is plagued by unlicenced motorbikes and law breakers of every persuasion the answer simple good oldfashioned policing is required 24/7. collos25

8:01am Tue 31 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

Do they not have parents?
Name and shame the parents for not controlling and looking after their children, yes hold the parents to account.
Do they not have parents? Name and shame the parents for not controlling and looking after their children, yes hold the parents to account. Joedavid

8:56am Tue 31 Dec 13

Cooperlane2 says...

Parents. Discipline. Puinishment.
All sadly lacking where everyone believes "The State" should provide.
Parents. Discipline. Puinishment. All sadly lacking where everyone believes "The State" should provide. Cooperlane2

9:46am Tue 31 Dec 13

mad matt says...

As far as I am concerned, discipline SHOULD begin at home, then at school, but the state has stopped this happening. A swift slap across the back of the legs certainly stopped me in my tracks when I was a kid, and it never did me any harm, but now even that is illegal.
Why should the state be expected to pick up the pieces when it's the bad parenting that is the start of the problem?
As far as I am concerned, discipline SHOULD begin at home, then at school, but the state has stopped this happening. A swift slap across the back of the legs certainly stopped me in my tracks when I was a kid, and it never did me any harm, but now even that is illegal. Why should the state be expected to pick up the pieces when it's the bad parenting that is the start of the problem? mad matt

10:08am Tue 31 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

They weren't that young, they were arrested.
They weren't that young, they were arrested. Prisoner Cell Block A

11:02am Tue 31 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
They weren't that young, they were arrested.
Still have parents do they not.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: They weren't that young, they were arrested.[/p][/quote]Still have parents do they not. Joedavid

11:09am Tue 31 Dec 13

SouthEastAsianBradfordian says...

why force this issue of unruly, bad behaved, stupid vandals on to the Council?

As for Steve30d - why don't you and your fella's get a job as a taxi driver, and put those you hate out of business. White taxi's for white estates.
why force this issue of unruly, bad behaved, stupid vandals on to the Council? As for Steve30d - why don't you and your fella's get a job as a taxi driver, and put those you hate out of business. White taxi's for white estates. SouthEastAsianBradfordian

12:06pm Tue 31 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Totally agree everybody should be able to go anywhere without fear no matter what their colour .
Totally agree everybody should be able to go anywhere without fear no matter what their colour . collos25

12:08pm Tue 31 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
They weren't that young, they were arrested.
Who were ? because the few people who cause mayhem on the estate have not been arrested.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: They weren't that young, they were arrested.[/p][/quote]Who were ? because the few people who cause mayhem on the estate have not been arrested. collos25

12:11pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

collos25 wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
They weren't that young, they were arrested.
Who were ? because the few people who cause mayhem on the estate have not been arrested.
The ones involved in mugging the taxi drivers from Power and Eccleshil in the same spate of incidents on the same evening.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: They weren't that young, they were arrested.[/p][/quote]Who were ? because the few people who cause mayhem on the estate have not been arrested.[/p][/quote]The ones involved in mugging the taxi drivers from Power and Eccleshil in the same spate of incidents on the same evening. Prisoner Cell Block A

12:23pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Joedavid wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
They weren't that young, they were arrested.
Still have parents do they not.
Probably parents themselves; the ones the taxi drivers are more concerned about are the ones with threats to their lives, money taken at knife point, groups of men running out of bushes with hammers
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: They weren't that young, they were arrested.[/p][/quote]Still have parents do they not.[/p][/quote]Probably parents themselves; the ones the taxi drivers are more concerned about are the ones with threats to their lives, money taken at knife point, groups of men running out of bushes with hammers Prisoner Cell Block A

12:40pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Steve30d says...

SouthEastAsianBradfo
rdian
wrote:
why force this issue of unruly, bad behaved, stupid vandals on to the Council?

As for Steve30d - why don't you and your fella's get a job as a taxi driver, and put those you hate out of business. White taxi's for white estates.
The people I "hate" are those who make the lives of anyone who don't give in to them, a misery. Note it was you who brought up race here, not me. Maybe race does come into it, but only as an excuse (on all sides from time to time)
[quote][p][bold]SouthEastAsianBradfo rdian[/bold] wrote: why force this issue of unruly, bad behaved, stupid vandals on to the Council? As for Steve30d - why don't you and your fella's get a job as a taxi driver, and put those you hate out of business. White taxi's for white estates.[/p][/quote]The people I "hate" are those who make the lives of anyone who don't give in to them, a misery. Note it was you who brought up race here, not me. Maybe race does come into it, but only as an excuse (on all sides from time to time) Steve30d

12:57pm Tue 31 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

Joedavid wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
They weren't that young, they were arrested.
Still have parents do they not.
taxi will have been dropping the parent back home after their night on the lash courtesy of the child and other benefits we readily pay them with our taxes!!
notice i said parent singular, usually are...
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: They weren't that young, they were arrested.[/p][/quote]Still have parents do they not.[/p][/quote]taxi will have been dropping the parent back home after their night on the lash courtesy of the child and other benefits we readily pay them with our taxes!! notice i said parent singular, usually are... tinytoonster

6:31pm Tue 31 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Don't spout rubbish unless you facts to back up your statement.
Don't spout rubbish unless you facts to back up your statement. collos25

3:25pm Thu 2 Jan 14

SouthEastAsianBradfordian says...

Steve30d wrote:
SouthEastAsianBradfo

rdian
wrote:
why force this issue of unruly, bad behaved, stupid vandals on to the Council?

As for Steve30d - why don't you and your fella's get a job as a taxi driver, and put those you hate out of business. White taxi's for white estates.
The people I "hate" are those who make the lives of anyone who don't give in to them, a misery. Note it was you who brought up race here, not me. Maybe race does come into it, but only as an excuse (on all sides from time to time)
Steve30d says...
The people I "hate" are those who make the lives of anyone who don't give in to them, a misery. Note it was you who brought up race here, not me. Maybe race does come into it, but only as an excuse (on all sides from time to time)

I was referring to your initial post... It's obvious what you are trying to say, in other words letting foreigners in and now they complain of being attacked.

Yes there is racism on both sides, I wont go into why and how its developed, on either side, or who is wrong or right, cos obviously you like many others have your own opinions.

And agree with your statement about hating people who make decent peoples lives a misery for nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Steve30d[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthEastAsianBradfo rdian[/bold] wrote: why force this issue of unruly, bad behaved, stupid vandals on to the Council? As for Steve30d - why don't you and your fella's get a job as a taxi driver, and put those you hate out of business. White taxi's for white estates.[/p][/quote]The people I "hate" are those who make the lives of anyone who don't give in to them, a misery. Note it was you who brought up race here, not me. Maybe race does come into it, but only as an excuse (on all sides from time to time)[/p][/quote]Steve30d says... The people I "hate" are those who make the lives of anyone who don't give in to them, a misery. Note it was you who brought up race here, not me. Maybe race does come into it, but only as an excuse (on all sides from time to time) I was referring to your initial post... It's obvious what you are trying to say, in other words letting foreigners in and now they complain of being attacked. Yes there is racism on both sides, I wont go into why and how its developed, on either side, or who is wrong or right, cos obviously you like many others have your own opinions. And agree with your statement about hating people who make decent peoples lives a misery for nothing. SouthEastAsianBradfordian

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