Bradford Bulls in limbo as three directors resign

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Omar Khan Omar Khan

Bradford Bulls is embroiled in a new crisis after three of the club’s directors and potential new owners stepped down on Christmas Eve.

But a bitter legal battle over the sale of the Super League club looks certain to end up in court, despite the board’s resignation.

Bradford restaurant boss Omar Khan last night insisted he would continue to take legal action against the two men he agreed to sell the club to in September, after a stand-off over the transfer of his shares led to the walkout by directors Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt.

The RFL held crisis talks with Mr Khan and former Bulls’ honorary chairman and Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe on Tuesday in a bid to broker an agreement that would have seen Mr Khan’s shares in the company transferred to the new board of directors.

But the meeting ended with Mr Khan refusing to grant the change of ownership, claiming he has yet to be paid an undisclosed sum by Mr Moore and former club general manager Ryan Whitcut for the sale of the business.

In a statement, Mr Moore confirmed that he, Mr Calvert and Mr Watt would now stand down with immediate effect, saying they could no longer continue to run the club without owning the shares.

Mr Calvert and Mr Watt were announced as investors shortly after Mr Moore and Mr Whitcut became co-chairman, but Mr Whitcut left the business in November after it became clear he would fail a fit and proper persons test by the sport’s governing body. It is believed Mr Khan will not be involved in the day-to-day running of the club and will now appoint a new director, while chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul will remain at the helm.

Mr Khan told the Telegraph & Argus he had a contract with Mr Moore and Mr Whitcut to sell the club, which he was still “more than willing to honour”.

“Mr Moore’s resignation as a director does nothing to invalidate that contract,” he said.

“They agreed to pay me a sum of money on October 31 which they have not done. This initial payment is far less than my financial commitment to the club over the past year. They have indicated that they do not intend to make this payment, therefore I have no alternative to ensure that they honour their commitments through the courts.”

Part of the row between the parties centres on the new directors’ claims that they found “massive holes” in the club’s finances when they joined the business. Mr Moore said Mr Khan was also now requesting payment for a director’s loan from the club.

But Mr Khan disputed the claims, saying: “Mr Moore and Mr Whitcut had access to the financial information regarding the club.”

Mr Sutcliffe said he was “shocked and surprised” by the directors’ announcement.

Ralph Rimmer, of the RFL, said the governing body would work closely with the Bulls, adding it had been assured all the club’s players and staff would be paid this month’s wages.

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7:13am Thu 26 Dec 13

BD16 says...

Just when you think it cannot get any worse for the Bulls!

I really feel for the staff, players and supporters. They have all had so much crap to take over the last couple of years and now it looks like it's finally going to result in the closure of the Bulls. There is a future but it looks like it starts at the bottom of the pile and will take time to build again.

Now is not the right time for apportioning blame and responsibility but I would like to think that in time we will know the full story about what has gone so badly wrong and who did what to cause this mess.

Good luck for the future, I'm sure that the Bulls/Northern do have one in some shape or form.
Just when you think it cannot get any worse for the Bulls! I really feel for the staff, players and supporters. They have all had so much crap to take over the last couple of years and now it looks like it's finally going to result in the closure of the Bulls. There is a future but it looks like it starts at the bottom of the pile and will take time to build again. Now is not the right time for apportioning blame and responsibility but I would like to think that in time we will know the full story about what has gone so badly wrong and who did what to cause this mess. Good luck for the future, I'm sure that the Bulls/Northern do have one in some shape or form. BD16

7:36am Thu 26 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

Talk about hanging your dirty linen out in public.

Mark Moore and the other 2 directors have done the right thing in bailing out.
Talk about hanging your dirty linen out in public. Mark Moore and the other 2 directors have done the right thing in bailing out. Mike Strutter

8:00am Thu 26 Dec 13

bullsone03 says...

People getting paid at least that is some good news
People getting paid at least that is some good news bullsone03

8:14am Thu 26 Dec 13

idleone says...

Sounds very suspicious. Says it all really when a Sutcliffe, a former sports minister, and Khan a so called Business Man screw up such an important Bradford sporting icon. I have had lots of dealings with the club over the years in various roles I've held and the staff and players are fantastic. Truly dedicated. But now, with these muppets managing the purse strings it looks like the club is doomed. Let's hope the RFL instigate an inquiry.
Sounds very suspicious. Says it all really when a Sutcliffe, a former sports minister, and Khan a so called Business Man screw up such an important Bradford sporting icon. I have had lots of dealings with the club over the years in various roles I've held and the staff and players are fantastic. Truly dedicated. But now, with these muppets managing the purse strings it looks like the club is doomed. Let's hope the RFL instigate an inquiry. idleone

8:20am Thu 26 Dec 13

food_for_thought says...

The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all! food_for_thought

8:21am Thu 26 Dec 13

food_for_thought says...

food_for_thought wrote:
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
RFL - of course, typing never my strong-point!
[quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all![/p][/quote]RFL - of course, typing never my strong-point! food_for_thought

8:34am Thu 26 Dec 13

theoutsider says...

Its a right old shambles this, but no one shold loose sight of the fact that whatever future Rugby has in Odsal Stadium ..it cannot survive on its own there . Odsal Stadium needs using for far more than 14 or so rugby games how is that business sense or any sort of sense?. Its very simple there need to be more reasons for Bradford people to want to go to Odsal particularlu when the Council are loaning tax payer money to the club. Not good news that RHP has resurfaced brcause hes living in cloud cuckoo land simingly rebuffing attempts by prospective Speedway and Stock Car promoterd to re introduce the two sports in Bradford. Time to start looking at the bigger picture and for one of Omar Khan, Gerry liffe or RHP to answer some
calls so others can maybe help revive Odsal Stadium and make iit a 'go to plac


hee' for more than just a few thousand rugby enthusiasts. Lets
Its a right old shambles this, but no one shold loose sight of the fact that whatever future Rugby has in Odsal Stadium ..it cannot survive on its own there . Odsal Stadium needs using for far more than 14 or so rugby games how is that business sense or any sort of sense?. Its very simple there need to be more reasons for Bradford people to want to go to Odsal particularlu when the Council are loaning tax payer money to the club. Not good news that RHP has resurfaced brcause hes living in cloud cuckoo land simingly rebuffing attempts by prospective Speedway and Stock Car promoterd to re introduce the two sports in Bradford. Time to start looking at the bigger picture and for one of Omar Khan, Gerry liffe or RHP to answer some calls so others can maybe help revive Odsal Stadium and make iit a 'go to plac hee' for more than just a few thousand rugby enthusiasts. Lets theoutsider

8:38am Thu 26 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

food_for_thought wrote:
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted.
bit extreme but accepted.
how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me.
they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour!
typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy.
they have been in trouble for years now.
city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will.
good luck to the club.
[quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all![/p][/quote]not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted. bit extreme but accepted. how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me. they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour! typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy. they have been in trouble for years now. city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will. good luck to the club. tinytoonster

9:01am Thu 26 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.
So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work. Thee Voice of Reason

9:30am Thu 26 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in.

So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money.

The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward.

Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering.

We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes. fedupwiththeBS

9:35am Thu 26 Dec 13

doneBD4 says...

Mr Mark Lawn and Mr Julian Rhodes, Bradford Bulls need you.
Mr Mark Lawn and Mr Julian Rhodes, Bradford Bulls need you. doneBD4

9:43am Thu 26 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in.

So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money.

The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward.

Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering.

We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Full access to the books ?

Depends which ones he saw ;-)
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Full access to the books ? Depends which ones he saw ;-) Mike Strutter

9:54am Thu 26 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in.

So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money.

The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward.

Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering.

We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Full access to the books ?

Depends which ones he saw ;-)
Exactly. He has said since those books were seen various hidden loans etc were found.
Has OK denied these newly found debts don't exist?
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Full access to the books ? Depends which ones he saw ;-)[/p][/quote]Exactly. He has said since those books were seen various hidden loans etc were found. Has OK denied these newly found debts don't exist? Thee Voice of Reason

10:01am Thu 26 Dec 13

AUGUST1964 says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Where does it say the RFL are paying wages?
Read it again!
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Where does it say the RFL are paying wages? Read it again! AUGUST1964

10:05am Thu 26 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in.

So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money.

The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward.

Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering.

We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Full access to the books ?

Depends which ones he saw ;-)
Exactly. He has said since those books were seen various hidden loans etc were found.
Has OK denied these newly found debts don't exist?
I doubt this will go to court, too much that could come out that could damage certain individuals especially a year before a general election ;-)

That of course doesn't do the fans any good, I feel really sorry for them.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Full access to the books ? Depends which ones he saw ;-)[/p][/quote]Exactly. He has said since those books were seen various hidden loans etc were found. Has OK denied these newly found debts don't exist?[/p][/quote]I doubt this will go to court, too much that could come out that could damage certain individuals especially a year before a general election ;-) That of course doesn't do the fans any good, I feel really sorry for them. Mike Strutter

10:58am Thu 26 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

It's all a big money making scam who to blame Omar
It's all a big money making scam who to blame Omar bd7 helper

11:21am Thu 26 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Where does it say the RFL are paying wages?
Read it again!
It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players.

As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that.

All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF?
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Where does it say the RFL are paying wages? Read it again![/p][/quote]It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players. As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that. All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF? fedupwiththeBS

11:38am Thu 26 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Reform ad Northern under fan ownership and get back to what matters, the rugby otherwise the same will happen over and over again.
Reform ad Northern under fan ownership and get back to what matters, the rugby otherwise the same will happen over and over again. Thee Voice of Reason

11:39am Thu 26 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Where does it say the RFL are paying wages?
Read it again!
It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players.

As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that.

All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF?
Sounds like you have an axe to grind with MM, wonder why ?

Omar or Gerry's mates or one of their countless hangers on drinking away the profits in the directors lounge ?


I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 3 ex directors had more business sense than OK and Gerry and the club will now suffer.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Where does it say the RFL are paying wages? Read it again![/p][/quote]It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players. As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that. All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF?[/p][/quote]Sounds like you have an axe to grind with MM, wonder why ? Omar or Gerry's mates or one of their countless hangers on drinking away the profits in the directors lounge ? I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 3 ex directors had more business sense than OK and Gerry and the club will now suffer. Mike Strutter

11:43am Thu 26 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.
Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director????

You get the impression of the blind leading the blind.
Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable.

I think I've finally lost it??
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.[/p][/quote]Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director???? You get the impression of the blind leading the blind. Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable. I think I've finally lost it?? raisemeup

11:54am Thu 26 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.
Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director????

You get the impression of the blind leading the blind.
Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable.

I think I've finally lost it??
You lost it a long time ago with the Rubbish you came out with. Liquidation only way forward. Khan will get Sweet nothing, what he deserves.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.[/p][/quote]Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director???? You get the impression of the blind leading the blind. Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable. I think I've finally lost it??[/p][/quote]You lost it a long time ago with the Rubbish you came out with. Liquidation only way forward. Khan will get Sweet nothing, what he deserves. Scrouge

12:29pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Reality50 says...

I said this a year ago and i'll say t again. Bull are not fit for purpose and are breaking all financial rules and openly lied to get an SL licence last time. It is time to relegate Bulls to the Championship and promote a well run club such as Halifax in their place. You must play by the rules and Bulls are bankrupt and are not a fit and proper club. Halifax,Featherstone
,Leigh even Sheffield all deserve a crack at SL. Bradford are a crisis club and have been for 18 months. Super League have rules with regard to finance and Bulls fail on all counts.
I said this a year ago and i'll say t again. Bull are not fit for purpose and are breaking all financial rules and openly lied to get an SL licence last time. It is time to relegate Bulls to the Championship and promote a well run club such as Halifax in their place. You must play by the rules and Bulls are bankrupt and are not a fit and proper club. Halifax,Featherstone ,Leigh even Sheffield all deserve a crack at SL. Bradford are a crisis club and have been for 18 months. Super League have rules with regard to finance and Bulls fail on all counts. Reality50

12:29pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Reality50 says...

I said this a year ago and i'll say t again. Bull are not fit for purpose and are breaking all financial rules and openly lied to get an SL licence last time. It is time to relegate Bulls to the Championship and promote a well run club such as Halifax in their place. You must play by the rules and Bulls are bankrupt and are not a fit and proper club. Halifax,Featherstone
,Leigh even Sheffield all deserve a crack at SL. Bradford are a crisis club and have been for 18 months. Super League have rules with regard to finance and Bulls fail on all counts.
I said this a year ago and i'll say t again. Bull are not fit for purpose and are breaking all financial rules and openly lied to get an SL licence last time. It is time to relegate Bulls to the Championship and promote a well run club such as Halifax in their place. You must play by the rules and Bulls are bankrupt and are not a fit and proper club. Halifax,Featherstone ,Leigh even Sheffield all deserve a crack at SL. Bradford are a crisis club and have been for 18 months. Super League have rules with regard to finance and Bulls fail on all counts. Reality50

12:33pm Thu 26 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Where does it say the RFL are paying wages?
Read it again!
It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players.

As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that.

All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF?
Sounds like you have an axe to grind with MM, wonder why ?

Omar or Gerry's mates or one of their countless hangers on drinking away the profits in the directors lounge ?


I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 3 ex directors had more business sense than OK and Gerry and the club will now suffer.
Yes I have an axe to grind with MM and the rest of the board that have repeatedly lied to us the fans over the state of the Club; Belong, Belong to what exactly?

There have been repeated articles in here full of **** and wind about how the club is stable and they are going to take it forward and please buy a season ticket and then all stop. We do not own the club as we have claimed as we have not paid OK what was asked for it. Wake up the club is on the verge of going under once and for all and these three along with OK, GS and RW are too blame; all be it the depth of guilt is different but the guilt is there none the less.

They may have had more business sense than the last lot granted, but that is not saying much, but what they did and do lack is the money that is needed to run this once great Club.

We are screwed again and they have not even had the decency to kiss us first.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Where does it say the RFL are paying wages? Read it again![/p][/quote]It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players. As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that. All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF?[/p][/quote]Sounds like you have an axe to grind with MM, wonder why ? Omar or Gerry's mates or one of their countless hangers on drinking away the profits in the directors lounge ? I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 3 ex directors had more business sense than OK and Gerry and the club will now suffer.[/p][/quote]Yes I have an axe to grind with MM and the rest of the board that have repeatedly lied to us the fans over the state of the Club; Belong, Belong to what exactly? There have been repeated articles in here full of **** and wind about how the club is stable and they are going to take it forward and please buy a season ticket and then all stop. We do not own the club as we have claimed as we have not paid OK what was asked for it. Wake up the club is on the verge of going under once and for all and these three along with OK, GS and RW are too blame; all be it the depth of guilt is different but the guilt is there none the less. They may have had more business sense than the last lot granted, but that is not saying much, but what they did and do lack is the money that is needed to run this once great Club. We are screwed again and they have not even had the decency to kiss us first. fedupwiththeBS

12:53pm Thu 26 Dec 13

bartsbull says...

We need on an urgent basis a person to come on board who can grab our once great club by the scruff of the neck and bring it out of this whole

Three directors walk away and leave the club in limbo these guys have no
guts to fight for what hey said they believed in

I would like to see kate or Jay Willey come out of the dark and run this club they seem to have more business sence than any of the others

I like many others will back the club to the end but if someone does not take the reins soon an move us foward we are doomed Khan does not seem bothered about the club he told us many times he loved and would not harm it

A lot of false promises have been made Robbie can not do this on his own if Mr Kookash as any friends who would like to take on our club they would be welcome

I like many others are hoping we continue but things do not look good many of our loyal fans have bought season tickets before the problems started and were told we would be in a photograph on a poster inside the stadium this also seems to have died a death but COYB
We need on an urgent basis a person to come on board who can grab our once great club by the scruff of the neck and bring it out of this whole Three directors walk away and leave the club in limbo these guys have no guts to fight for what hey said they believed in I would like to see kate or Jay Willey come out of the dark and run this club they seem to have more business sence than any of the others I like many others will back the club to the end but if someone does not take the reins soon an move us foward we are doomed Khan does not seem bothered about the club he told us many times he loved and would not harm it A lot of false promises have been made Robbie can not do this on his own if Mr Kookash as any friends who would like to take on our club they would be welcome I like many others are hoping we continue but things do not look good many of our loyal fans have bought season tickets before the problems started and were told we would be in a photograph on a poster inside the stadium this also seems to have died a death but COYB bartsbull

1:20pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.
Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director????

You get the impression of the blind leading the blind.
Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable.

I think I've finally lost it??
Nemesis.....You lost it .

But don't worry.

All will be well.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.[/p][/quote]Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director???? You get the impression of the blind leading the blind. Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable. I think I've finally lost it??[/p][/quote]Nemesis.....You lost it . But don't worry. All will be well. Ahrmen Aleg

1:29pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt?

Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business?

Says it all.


Of course Whitcut knew the debt.

They just realised it as mission impossible
So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt? Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business? Says it all. Of course Whitcut knew the debt. They just realised it as mission impossible Ahrmen Aleg

1:37pm Thu 26 Dec 13

NG1972 says...

does anyone know whether we will be able to get our money back what we have paid for our 2014 season tickets. I paid mine in monthly instalments. I'm going to Odsal tomorrow to enquire. Unfortunately I don't see a way forward anymore for us.
does anyone know whether we will be able to get our money back what we have paid for our 2014 season tickets. I paid mine in monthly instalments. I'm going to Odsal tomorrow to enquire. Unfortunately I don't see a way forward anymore for us. NG1972

1:40pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.
Where does it say the RFL are paying wages?
Read it again!
It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players.

As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that.

All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF?
Sounds like you have an axe to grind with MM, wonder why ?

Omar or Gerry's mates or one of their countless hangers on drinking away the profits in the directors lounge ?


I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 3 ex directors had more business sense than OK and Gerry and the club will now suffer.
What are you on about Mike. The normal rubbish you come out with. Why did the three become Directors if they were not fully aware of the financial situation ??? I wouldn't become a Director in any shame or form until I had checked things out.

It's clear to me that Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt never had the money to buy the club from Omar in the first place. Using debts as a way to climb out of the agreement.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: As much as I blame OK for his running up massive debts after starting with a clean slate, the simple fact is MM was given full access to the books and agreed to buy the club as seen. For him and Shortcut not to now honour the agreement leaves OK with no option but to step back in. So we now have the old clowns replacing the new clowns and chasing two of the new clowns through the courts and no one at the club with any money. The RFL have stepped in yet again to pay the wages for yet another month and Rimmer must be sick and tired of the utter shambles that he has to deal with at the Club, but the RFL were warned by a number of people that the new board were not in a financial position to take the club forward. Where does the Club go from here is one of the many questions that need answering. We are right up s**t creek and not only without paddles but the canoe is full of holes.[/p][/quote]Where does it say the RFL are paying wages? Read it again![/p][/quote]It does not say in the article that the RFL are paying the wages but it is common knowledge that they are and have been for the last few months but only for the players. As for two sets of books; MM was involved with the club whilst OK was still in charge lets not forget that. All of them are up to this to their necks; even appealing to fans to buy season tickets the day before they stood down WTF?[/p][/quote]Sounds like you have an axe to grind with MM, wonder why ? Omar or Gerry's mates or one of their countless hangers on drinking away the profits in the directors lounge ? I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 3 ex directors had more business sense than OK and Gerry and the club will now suffer.[/p][/quote]What are you on about Mike. The normal rubbish you come out with. Why did the three become Directors if they were not fully aware of the financial situation ??? I wouldn't become a Director in any shame or form until I had checked things out. It's clear to me that Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt never had the money to buy the club from Omar in the first place. Using debts as a way to climb out of the agreement. Reality001

1:51pm Thu 26 Dec 13

vikksy says...

It's time this ONCE great newspaper got BOTH sides off this and did some proper reporting
It's time this ONCE great newspaper got BOTH sides off this and did some proper reporting vikksy

1:59pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Madam meow says...

Like I said last night same stuff rehashed over and o
ver again. Let us all wait and see what occurs and not jump on the band wagon. All these remarks are not doing us any good, just hurting the real supporters.
Like I said last night same stuff rehashed over and o ver again. Let us all wait and see what occurs and not jump on the band wagon. All these remarks are not doing us any good, just hurting the real supporters. Madam meow

2:05pm Thu 26 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

tinytoonster wrote:
food_for_thought wrote:
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted.
bit extreme but accepted.
how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me.
they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour!
typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy.
they have been in trouble for years now.
city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will.
good luck to the club.
Stop he just making money avoiding taxman
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all![/p][/quote]not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted. bit extreme but accepted. how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me. they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour! typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy. they have been in trouble for years now. city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will. good luck to the club.[/p][/quote]Stop he just making money avoiding taxman bd7 helper

2:16pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

bd7 helper wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
food_for_thought wrote:
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted.
bit extreme but accepted.
how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me.
they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour!
typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy.
they have been in trouble for years now.
city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will.
good luck to the club.
Stop he just making money avoiding taxman
BLAME KHAN

He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold.

Where did he think the shortfall was coming from?

Up his feking ar*e?
Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have...

A basket case
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all![/p][/quote]not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted. bit extreme but accepted. how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me. they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour! typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy. they have been in trouble for years now. city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will. good luck to the club.[/p][/quote]Stop he just making money avoiding taxman[/p][/quote]BLAME KHAN He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold. Where did he think the shortfall was coming from? Up his feking ar*e? Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have... A basket case Ahrmen Aleg

2:26pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
food_for_thought wrote:
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted.
bit extreme but accepted.
how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me.
they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour!
typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy.
they have been in trouble for years now.
city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will.
good luck to the club.
Stop he just making money avoiding taxman
BLAME KHAN

He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold.

Where did he think the shortfall was coming from?

Up his feking ar*e?
Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have...

A basket case
Yes he has started his Charm offence with. his Pals posting on here.
Waiting for Robbie to tell us what a great Guy he is. Omar Omar gives us a wave as you leave Bradford. Why not go for a Curry at Omars tell him what's ,what.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all![/p][/quote]not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted. bit extreme but accepted. how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me. they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour! typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy. they have been in trouble for years now. city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will. good luck to the club.[/p][/quote]Stop he just making money avoiding taxman[/p][/quote]BLAME KHAN He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold. Where did he think the shortfall was coming from? Up his feking ar*e? Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have... A basket case[/p][/quote]Yes he has started his Charm offence with. his Pals posting on here. Waiting for Robbie to tell us what a great Guy he is. Omar Omar gives us a wave as you leave Bradford. Why not go for a Curry at Omars tell him what's ,what. Scrouge

5:03pm Thu 26 Dec 13

handoff says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt?

Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business?

Says it all.


Of course Whitcut knew the debt.

They just realised it as mission impossible
Allegedly ............ is largely responsible for the hidden debts and unrealistic budgets. Allegedly ............. took out a loan from someone you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night, couldn't pay it back and conned them into thinking they now owned the Bulls. A sudden trip abroad may be on the cards! Perhaps the club can also reclaim the money for first team suits allegedly so generously gifted to friends and relations of ..... Of course this may just be title tattle. Makes you think though. Allegedly.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt? Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business? Says it all. Of course Whitcut knew the debt. They just realised it as mission impossible[/p][/quote]Allegedly ............ is largely responsible for the hidden debts and unrealistic budgets. Allegedly ............. took out a loan from someone you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night, couldn't pay it back and conned them into thinking they now owned the Bulls. A sudden trip abroad may be on the cards! Perhaps the club can also reclaim the money for first team suits allegedly so generously gifted to friends and relations of ..... Of course this may just be title tattle. Makes you think though. Allegedly. handoff

5:16pm Thu 26 Dec 13

axlef1963 says...

Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE
Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE axlef1963

5:32pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

handoff wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt?

Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business?

Says it all.


Of course Whitcut knew the debt.

They just realised it as mission impossible
Allegedly ............ is largely responsible for the hidden debts and unrealistic budgets. Allegedly ............. took out a loan from someone you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night, couldn't pay it back and conned them into thinking they now owned the Bulls. A sudden trip abroad may be on the cards! Perhaps the club can also reclaim the money for first team suits allegedly so generously gifted to friends and relations of ..... Of course this may just be title tattle. Makes you think though. Allegedly.
You've heard what I've heard.
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt? Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business? Says it all. Of course Whitcut knew the debt. They just realised it as mission impossible[/p][/quote]Allegedly ............ is largely responsible for the hidden debts and unrealistic budgets. Allegedly ............. took out a loan from someone you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night, couldn't pay it back and conned them into thinking they now owned the Bulls. A sudden trip abroad may be on the cards! Perhaps the club can also reclaim the money for first team suits allegedly so generously gifted to friends and relations of ..... Of course this may just be title tattle. Makes you think though. Allegedly.[/p][/quote]You've heard what I've heard. Thee Voice of Reason

6:07pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

axlef1963 wrote:
Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE
If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project.

But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale.

Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP.
AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED.

If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records.

Forensic accountants and investigators are needed.

I think others are right.

I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles.

I have heard these stories for many months.

THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION.
BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME

GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE

DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED>

WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE.

RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF

1.FALSE ACCOUNTING
2.THEFT
3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT
4.DECEPTION

ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES>
AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR

OH DEAR OH DEAR

YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE
RS IN THIS SHAMBLES.
THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY

THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS.

HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME
[quote][p][bold]axlef1963[/bold] wrote: Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE[/p][/quote]If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project. But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale. Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP. AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED. If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records. Forensic accountants and investigators are needed. I think others are right. I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles. I have heard these stories for many months. THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION. BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED> WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE. RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF 1.FALSE ACCOUNTING 2.THEFT 3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT 4.DECEPTION ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES> AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR OH DEAR OH DEAR YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE RS IN THIS SHAMBLES. THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS. HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME Ahrmen Aleg

6:09pm Thu 26 Dec 13

axelf1963 says...

Go on then it's Christmas I will sing the extended VIKING song :

We're in the money
We got no players
What a joke of a club we really are

We're in the money
We've no directors
What a joke of a club we really are.

COME ON VIKING,SHEFF,RAISE, AND ALL YOU LOT WHO SLAG MYSELF,TVOR AND THE OTHER REALISTS
COME OUT COME OUT WHEREVER YOU ARE
Go on then it's Christmas I will sing the extended VIKING song : We're in the money We got no players What a joke of a club we really are We're in the money We've no directors What a joke of a club we really are. COME ON VIKING,SHEFF,RAISE, AND ALL YOU LOT WHO SLAG MYSELF,TVOR AND THE OTHER REALISTS COME OUT COME OUT WHEREVER YOU ARE axelf1963

6:29pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
handoff wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt?

Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business?

Says it all.


Of course Whitcut knew the debt.

They just realised it as mission impossible
Allegedly ............ is largely responsible for the hidden debts and unrealistic budgets. Allegedly ............. took out a loan from someone you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night, couldn't pay it back and conned them into thinking they now owned the Bulls. A sudden trip abroad may be on the cards! Perhaps the club can also reclaim the money for first team suits allegedly so generously gifted to friends and relations of ..... Of course this may just be title tattle. Makes you think though. Allegedly.
You've heard what I've heard.
TVOR WE HAVE BOTH BEEN SLAUGHTERED FOR OUR COMMENTS>
WE ARE BOTH INTHE KNOW.

APPRENTLY (AND THE NUMBERS MAY BE SPIN) 5000 SEASON TICKETS HAVE BEEN SOLD>

CITY FANS LOST OUT WITH THE WAS IT 25 YEAR SEASON TICKET IN SECOND ADMIN>

WE OWE IT TO HE POOR BULLS FANS WHO HAVE PAID FOR NEXT SEASON TO SAY EVERYTHING KNOWN OF THE LIES CHEATING ND BULL>
THE POLICE NEED TO BE IN HERE.
THERE IS ONLY ONE FUTURE>

THEY MUST ALL GO>

SAY EVERYTHING YOU HAVE HEARD>

THERE IS NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: So the General manager Whitcut (from the start OK reign)did not know the full extent of the debt? Yet he was in the full time day to day running of the business? Says it all. Of course Whitcut knew the debt. They just realised it as mission impossible[/p][/quote]Allegedly ............ is largely responsible for the hidden debts and unrealistic budgets. Allegedly ............. took out a loan from someone you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night, couldn't pay it back and conned them into thinking they now owned the Bulls. A sudden trip abroad may be on the cards! Perhaps the club can also reclaim the money for first team suits allegedly so generously gifted to friends and relations of ..... Of course this may just be title tattle. Makes you think though. Allegedly.[/p][/quote]You've heard what I've heard.[/p][/quote]TVOR WE HAVE BOTH BEEN SLAUGHTERED FOR OUR COMMENTS> WE ARE BOTH INTHE KNOW. APPRENTLY (AND THE NUMBERS MAY BE SPIN) 5000 SEASON TICKETS HAVE BEEN SOLD> CITY FANS LOST OUT WITH THE WAS IT 25 YEAR SEASON TICKET IN SECOND ADMIN> WE OWE IT TO HE POOR BULLS FANS WHO HAVE PAID FOR NEXT SEASON TO SAY EVERYTHING KNOWN OF THE LIES CHEATING ND BULL> THE POLICE NEED TO BE IN HERE. THERE IS ONLY ONE FUTURE> THEY MUST ALL GO> SAY EVERYTHING YOU HAVE HEARD> THERE IS NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE Ahrmen Aleg

6:39pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

vikksy wrote:
It's time this ONCE great newspaper got BOTH sides off this and did some proper reporting
They (the other side) have gone to ground.

AS THE ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD NET TIGHTENS
[quote][p][bold]vikksy[/bold] wrote: It's time this ONCE great newspaper got BOTH sides off this and did some proper reporting[/p][/quote]They (the other side) have gone to ground. AS THE ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD NET TIGHTENS Ahrmen Aleg

8:07pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Scrouge wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
food_for_thought wrote:
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted.
bit extreme but accepted.
how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me.
they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour!
typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy.
they have been in trouble for years now.
city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will.
good luck to the club.
Stop he just making money avoiding taxman
BLAME KHAN

He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold.

Where did he think the shortfall was coming from?

Up his feking ar*e?
Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have...

A basket case
Yes he has started his Charm offence with. his Pals posting on here.
Waiting for Robbie to tell us what a great Guy he is. Omar Omar gives us a wave as you leave Bradford. Why not go for a Curry at Omars tell him what's ,what.
Theres no point he wont be there.

When the Council took it to court September 2012 for RATS in the ood storage area the cellar and fined it £20000 (yes twenty thousand) the reporting in here said someone else owned it.

Looks like he did runner there too.

Wonder if the season ticket holders paid the fine?

Anybody noticed their season ticket payments last year going to HM Court Service?

RATS IN THE CELLAR

DESERTING THE SHIP
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all![/p][/quote]not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted. bit extreme but accepted. how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me. they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour! typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy. they have been in trouble for years now. city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will. good luck to the club.[/p][/quote]Stop he just making money avoiding taxman[/p][/quote]BLAME KHAN He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold. Where did he think the shortfall was coming from? Up his feking ar*e? Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have... A basket case[/p][/quote]Yes he has started his Charm offence with. his Pals posting on here. Waiting for Robbie to tell us what a great Guy he is. Omar Omar gives us a wave as you leave Bradford. Why not go for a Curry at Omars tell him what's ,what.[/p][/quote]Theres no point he wont be there. When the Council took it to court September 2012 for RATS in the ood storage area the cellar and fined it £20000 (yes twenty thousand) the reporting in here said someone else owned it. Looks like he did runner there too. Wonder if the season ticket holders paid the fine? Anybody noticed their season ticket payments last year going to HM Court Service? RATS IN THE CELLAR DESERTING THE SHIP Ahrmen Aleg

8:11pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Pablo says...

I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type?

By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death.

If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club.

It can't have long left.
I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type? By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death. If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club. It can't have long left. Pablo

8:19pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Scrouge wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
bd7 helper wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
food_for_thought wrote:
The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all!
not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted.
bit extreme but accepted.
how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me.
they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour!
typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy.
they have been in trouble for years now.
city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will.
good luck to the club.
Stop he just making money avoiding taxman
BLAME KHAN

He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold.

Where did he think the shortfall was coming from?

Up his feking ar*e?
Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have...

A basket case
Yes he has started his Charm offence with. his Pals posting on here.
Waiting for Robbie to tell us what a great Guy he is. Omar Omar gives us a wave as you leave Bradford. Why not go for a Curry at Omars tell him what's ,what.
He wont be there.
When fined £20000 for RATS in the cellar September 2012 Omar Khans Restaurant was suddenly someone elses.

Runner?

Hope the season ticket holders did not contribute to that fine.
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]food_for_thought[/bold] wrote: The RFl have a lot to answer for here...their unjustified and punitive withholding of funds is, to a comsiderable extent, contributing to the financial situation of the club. As for the resigning directors and OK, you guys need to grow up, get round the table and sort this out if any of you really care about the Bulls at all![/p][/quote]not unjustified, it was a punishment they accepted. bit extreme but accepted. how anyone can try put all the blame on khan is beyond me. they were in trouble before he came and when he arrived all the numptys said he was a saviour! typical bulls tunnel vision, blame the last guy. they have been in trouble for years now. city had their trouble and came through it so i'm sure bulls will. good luck to the club.[/p][/quote]Stop he just making money avoiding taxman[/p][/quote]BLAME KHAN He failed to cut the wages bill and if reporting is correct took it from £200k to £220k a month with half sky money and only 6000 season tickets sold. Where did he think the shortfall was coming from? Up his feking ar*e? Add in massive losses on pop concerts bars everything and you have... A basket case[/p][/quote]Yes he has started his Charm offence with. his Pals posting on here. Waiting for Robbie to tell us what a great Guy he is. Omar Omar gives us a wave as you leave Bradford. Why not go for a Curry at Omars tell him what's ,what.[/p][/quote]He wont be there. When fined £20000 for RATS in the cellar September 2012 Omar Khans Restaurant was suddenly someone elses. Runner? Hope the season ticket holders did not contribute to that fine. Ahrmen Aleg

8:20pm Thu 26 Dec 13

collos25 says...

theoutsider wrote:
Its a right old shambles this, but no one shold loose sight of the fact that whatever future Rugby has in Odsal Stadium ..it cannot survive on its own there . Odsal Stadium needs using for far more than 14 or so rugby games how is that business sense or any sort of sense?. Its very simple there need to be more reasons for Bradford people to want to go to Odsal particularlu when the Council are loaning tax payer money to the club. Not good news that RHP has resurfaced brcause hes living in cloud cuckoo land simingly rebuffing attempts by prospective Speedway and Stock Car promoterd to re introduce the two sports in Bradford. Time to start looking at the bigger picture and for one of Omar Khan, Gerry liffe or RHP to answer some
calls so others can maybe help revive Odsal Stadium and make iit a 'go to plac


hee' for more than just a few thousand rugby enthusiasts. Lets
It needs about 2 million pounds to bring speedway back something there seems to be a shortage of,
[quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: Its a right old shambles this, but no one shold loose sight of the fact that whatever future Rugby has in Odsal Stadium ..it cannot survive on its own there . Odsal Stadium needs using for far more than 14 or so rugby games how is that business sense or any sort of sense?. Its very simple there need to be more reasons for Bradford people to want to go to Odsal particularlu when the Council are loaning tax payer money to the club. Not good news that RHP has resurfaced brcause hes living in cloud cuckoo land simingly rebuffing attempts by prospective Speedway and Stock Car promoterd to re introduce the two sports in Bradford. Time to start looking at the bigger picture and for one of Omar Khan, Gerry liffe or RHP to answer some calls so others can maybe help revive Odsal Stadium and make iit a 'go to plac hee' for more than just a few thousand rugby enthusiasts. Lets[/p][/quote]It needs about 2 million pounds to bring speedway back something there seems to be a shortage of, collos25

8:32pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

BD16 wrote:
Just when you think it cannot get any worse for the Bulls!

I really feel for the staff, players and supporters. They have all had so much crap to take over the last couple of years and now it looks like it's finally going to result in the closure of the Bulls. There is a future but it looks like it starts at the bottom of the pile and will take time to build again.

Now is not the right time for apportioning blame and responsibility but I would like to think that in time we will know the full story about what has gone so badly wrong and who did what to cause this mess.

Good luck for the future, I'm sure that the Bulls/Northern do have one in some shape or form.
Where there are allegations of a very serious criminal nature NOW is the only time to deal wiih it.

So evidence cannot be lost.
When everyones job is on the line the longer this man owns it.
And 5000 season ticket holders stand to be robbed of next years purchase.

Andy 2010 warned you all to pay by credit card
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Just when you think it cannot get any worse for the Bulls! I really feel for the staff, players and supporters. They have all had so much crap to take over the last couple of years and now it looks like it's finally going to result in the closure of the Bulls. There is a future but it looks like it starts at the bottom of the pile and will take time to build again. Now is not the right time for apportioning blame and responsibility but I would like to think that in time we will know the full story about what has gone so badly wrong and who did what to cause this mess. Good luck for the future, I'm sure that the Bulls/Northern do have one in some shape or form.[/p][/quote]Where there are allegations of a very serious criminal nature NOW is the only time to deal wiih it. So evidence cannot be lost. When everyones job is on the line the longer this man owns it. And 5000 season ticket holders stand to be robbed of next years purchase. Andy 2010 warned you all to pay by credit card Ahrmen Aleg

8:45pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Pablo wrote:
I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type?

By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death.

If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club.

It can't have long left.
Would anyone be stupid enough to allow themselves to be appointed.

I have known people get 2 years .

For being a director to blame ,when they were in name only when others were pulling the dirty strings as owners (shareholders)

AS of Christmas Eve the Bulls are trading illegally.

Gerry Sutcliffe should have realised a directors FULL LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY when he let his long time buddy appoint him.
It might come back to bite.

ANYONE WHO TOOK A DIRECTORHIP RIGHT NOW WITH SO MANY CRIMINAL OBSERVATIONS SURROUNDING THIS MESS WOULD DESERVE TEN YEARS
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type? By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death. If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club. It can't have long left.[/p][/quote]Would anyone be stupid enough to allow themselves to be appointed. I have known people get 2 years . For being a director to blame ,when they were in name only when others were pulling the dirty strings as owners (shareholders) AS of Christmas Eve the Bulls are trading illegally. Gerry Sutcliffe should have realised a directors FULL LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY when he let his long time buddy appoint him. It might come back to bite. ANYONE WHO TOOK A DIRECTORHIP RIGHT NOW WITH SO MANY CRIMINAL OBSERVATIONS SURROUNDING THIS MESS WOULD DESERVE TEN YEARS Ahrmen Aleg

9:00pm Thu 26 Dec 13

axelf1963 says...

Dont forget he alledgedly had to pay a few women out for lets just say improper conduct by his employees.
Dont forget he alledgedly had to pay a few women out for lets just say improper conduct by his employees. axelf1963

9:06pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
axlef1963 wrote:
Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE
If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project.

But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale.

Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP.
AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED.

If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records.

Forensic accountants and investigators are needed.

I think others are right.

I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles.

I have heard these stories for many months.

THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION.
BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME

GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE

DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED>

WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE.

RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF

1.FALSE ACCOUNTING
2.THEFT
3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT
4.DECEPTION

ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES>
AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR

OH DEAR OH DEAR

YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE

RS IN THIS SHAMBLES.
THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY

THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS.

HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME
Hope you have a good solicitor because your remarks are made with no foundation of facts other than vileness.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axlef1963[/bold] wrote: Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE[/p][/quote]If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project. But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale. Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP. AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED. If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records. Forensic accountants and investigators are needed. I think others are right. I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles. I have heard these stories for many months. THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION. BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED> WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE. RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF 1.FALSE ACCOUNTING 2.THEFT 3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT 4.DECEPTION ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES> AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR OH DEAR OH DEAR YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE RS IN THIS SHAMBLES. THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS. HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME[/p][/quote]Hope you have a good solicitor because your remarks are made with no foundation of facts other than vileness. Reality001

9:15pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Pablo wrote:
I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type?

By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death.

If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club.

It can't have long left.
Would anyone be stupid enough to allow themselves to be appointed.

I have known people get 2 years .

For being a director to blame ,when they were in name only when others were pulling the dirty strings as owners (shareholders)

AS of Christmas Eve the Bulls are trading illegally.

Gerry Sutcliffe should have realised a directors FULL LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY when he let his long time buddy appoint him.
It might come back to bite.

ANYONE WHO TOOK A DIRECTORHIP RIGHT NOW WITH SO MANY CRIMINAL OBSERVATIONS SURROUNDING THIS MESS WOULD DESERVE TEN YEARS
How can the club be insolvent if the RFL have stated :

Ralph Rimmer, of the RFL, said the governing body would work closely with the Bulls, adding it had been assured all the club’s players and staff would be paid this month’s wages

Hardly insolvent if wages can be paid.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type? By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death. If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club. It can't have long left.[/p][/quote]Would anyone be stupid enough to allow themselves to be appointed. I have known people get 2 years . For being a director to blame ,when they were in name only when others were pulling the dirty strings as owners (shareholders) AS of Christmas Eve the Bulls are trading illegally. Gerry Sutcliffe should have realised a directors FULL LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY when he let his long time buddy appoint him. It might come back to bite. ANYONE WHO TOOK A DIRECTORHIP RIGHT NOW WITH SO MANY CRIMINAL OBSERVATIONS SURROUNDING THIS MESS WOULD DESERVE TEN YEARS[/p][/quote]How can the club be insolvent if the RFL have stated : Ralph Rimmer, of the RFL, said the governing body would work closely with the Bulls, adding it had been assured all the club’s players and staff would be paid this month’s wages Hardly insolvent if wages can be paid. Reality001

9:46pm Thu 26 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Scrouge wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.
Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director????

You get the impression of the blind leading the blind.
Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable.

I think I've finally lost it??
You lost it a long time ago with the Rubbish you came out with. Liquidation only way forward. Khan will get Sweet nothing, what he deserves.
In your opinion????
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Khan still insists Whitcut should buy the club, even though the RFL blocked it, so how is that going to work.[/p][/quote]Nothings making any sense anymore TV, presumably he could be an owner but not a director???? You get the impression of the blind leading the blind. Now with all Directors resigning and in effect saying that the contract was not valid, because of the failure of the due diligence test (or whatever they might say is the reason) OK can only take them to court for breach of contract, which is claimed as invalid by the Directors who resigned anyway, and if that is proved by documentation, then OK is wasting his time because the case of Breach of contract cannot be viable. I think I've finally lost it??[/p][/quote]You lost it a long time ago with the Rubbish you came out with. Liquidation only way forward. Khan will get Sweet nothing, what he deserves.[/p][/quote]In your opinion???? raisemeup

9:53pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Reality001 wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Pablo wrote:
I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type?

By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death.

If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club.

It can't have long left.
Would anyone be stupid enough to allow themselves to be appointed.

I have known people get 2 years .

For being a director to blame ,when they were in name only when others were pulling the dirty strings as owners (shareholders)

AS of Christmas Eve the Bulls are trading illegally.

Gerry Sutcliffe should have realised a directors FULL LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY when he let his long time buddy appoint him.
It might come back to bite.

ANYONE WHO TOOK A DIRECTORHIP RIGHT NOW WITH SO MANY CRIMINAL OBSERVATIONS SURROUNDING THIS MESS WOULD DESERVE TEN YEARS
How can the club be insolvent if the RFL have stated :

Ralph Rimmer, of the RFL, said the governing body would work closely with the Bulls, adding it had been assured all the club’s players and staff would be paid this month’s wages

Hardly insolvent if wages can be paid.
Unfortuneately they are.

£1.2 million debt.

The RFL will always help out with their reserves
Rather than see another instant meltdown as new investors are sought

But of course you should be wary that next years season ticket advances are also probably been used now.

My understanding is players are paid to the end of November.
Then a break till new year.
So Mr Guilfoyle told me

Rimmer has in all probability sanctioned payment by the RFL.

The club are rapidly getting more in the mire by using next years money now and probably since people started buying next years season ticket,was that in September?
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: I'll be interested who Khan appoints as Director. Will it be another Whitcut type? By all accounts, Calvert was getting to grips with the financial mess. The thought of the inexperienced Robbie Paul having to deal with all the problems scares me to death. If nobody else was seriously interested in buying the club post Hood, nobody in their right mind will want to acquire it now with all the intrigue and rumour that's dogging the club. It can't have long left.[/p][/quote]Would anyone be stupid enough to allow themselves to be appointed. I have known people get 2 years . For being a director to blame ,when they were in name only when others were pulling the dirty strings as owners (shareholders) AS of Christmas Eve the Bulls are trading illegally. Gerry Sutcliffe should have realised a directors FULL LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY when he let his long time buddy appoint him. It might come back to bite. ANYONE WHO TOOK A DIRECTORHIP RIGHT NOW WITH SO MANY CRIMINAL OBSERVATIONS SURROUNDING THIS MESS WOULD DESERVE TEN YEARS[/p][/quote]How can the club be insolvent if the RFL have stated : Ralph Rimmer, of the RFL, said the governing body would work closely with the Bulls, adding it had been assured all the club’s players and staff would be paid this month’s wages Hardly insolvent if wages can be paid.[/p][/quote]Unfortuneately they are. £1.2 million debt. The RFL will always help out with their reserves Rather than see another instant meltdown as new investors are sought But of course you should be wary that next years season ticket advances are also probably been used now. My understanding is players are paid to the end of November. Then a break till new year. So Mr Guilfoyle told me Rimmer has in all probability sanctioned payment by the RFL. The club are rapidly getting more in the mire by using next years money now and probably since people started buying next years season ticket,was that in September? Ahrmen Aleg

9:55pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Reality001 wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
axlef1963 wrote:
Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE
If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project.

But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale.

Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP.
AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED.

If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records.

Forensic accountants and investigators are needed.

I think others are right.

I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles.

I have heard these stories for many months.

THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION.
BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME

GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE

DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED>

WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE.

RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF

1.FALSE ACCOUNTING
2.THEFT
3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT
4.DECEPTION

ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES>
AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR

OH DEAR OH DEAR

YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE


RS IN THIS SHAMBLES.
THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY

THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS.

HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME
Hope you have a good solicitor because your remarks are made with no foundation of facts other than vileness.
We will see
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axlef1963[/bold] wrote: Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE[/p][/quote]If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project. But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale. Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP. AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED. If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records. Forensic accountants and investigators are needed. I think others are right. I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles. I have heard these stories for many months. THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION. BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED> WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE. RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF 1.FALSE ACCOUNTING 2.THEFT 3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT 4.DECEPTION ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES> AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR OH DEAR OH DEAR YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE RS IN THIS SHAMBLES. THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS. HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME[/p][/quote]Hope you have a good solicitor because your remarks are made with no foundation of facts other than vileness.[/p][/quote]We will see Ahrmen Aleg

10:22pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Reality001 wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
axlef1963 wrote:
Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE
If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project.

But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale.

Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP.
AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED.

If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records.

Forensic accountants and investigators are needed.

I think others are right.

I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles.

I have heard these stories for many months.

THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION.
BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME

GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE

DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED>

WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE.

RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF

1.FALSE ACCOUNTING
2.THEFT
3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT
4.DECEPTION

ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES>
AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR

OH DEAR OH DEAR

YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE



RS IN THIS SHAMBLES.
THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY

THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS.

HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME
Hope you have a good solicitor because your remarks are made with no foundation of facts other than vileness.
We will see
The Facts (Your names not Khan or Sutcliffe?)

1.HMRC insolvency procedures May 2013
2,Wages late Summer
3Khan resigns suddenly
4Sutciffe (loves to say Honoury Charman but others reveal he was also a director)resigns without a word..............st
range eh Adey
5.New directors discover £400000 additional creditors and secured loan £180000 not disclosed to them
6Whitcut deemed unfit for purpose Not fit and properHistory of failed companies that NEVER filed accounts
7.All directors resignAlll assets have floating charge on.No way forward without using next years deposited season ticket sales or RFL loan/advances of sky pot
8.Bulls unable to function pot Xmas Eve.No director to run OK Bulls Limited.

We will see who the vile ones are.

If you are involved in any ANY way.......Get yourself one.

I "ll let the police deal with the issues as they arise and they can check the facts.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axlef1963[/bold] wrote: Sorry but saw all this coming.When you hear that the accounts are being done on paper no wonder extra horrors have been coming out of the woodwork.The rfl or Bradford council need to put a decent accountant into odsal to go threw the books and see what the hell has been going on.When the truth has been found can they let us all know were all the money has been spent.Would love to see the accounts of the Lister hotel were my season ticket money went last year,thought that was very iffy when found out on my bank statement.I bet I could put money on khan and sutcliffe not having a fans forum in the near future. RIP NORTHERN ps when the sh#t does settle lets start again at the bottom the phoenix WILL RISE[/p][/quote]If there is truth in what you say about the money you pad for your season ticket going through "Lister Hotel" thati is interesting.Whicut took that disaster off OK some years ago and the last report I read it was back up for sale,another failed project. But the Telegraph reported in Feb 2009 (nearly 5 years ago)that Whitcut blamed the recession an it was back up for sale. Your comment about your season ticket money going though "Lister Hotel" should be reported to the POLICE ASAP. AS PART OF A WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO FRAUD THAT OTHERS HAVE STARTED. If what you say is true this really is a can of worms with NO proper books or records. Forensic accountants and investigators are needed. I think others are right. I think Viking Dull et al may well be part of this shambles. I have heard these stories for many months. THE POLICE NEED TO DO A VERY THOROUGH FRAUD INVESTIGATION. BUT THE IMPRESSION THEY GIVE IS THERE NOT INTERESTED IN OPENING UP ANYTHING THAT TAKES TIME GET RID OFTHE LOT AND PUT BULLBUILDER AND ADEY IN CHARGE DOUBT KHAN WILL WANT TO BE SHOWING HIS FACE IF LOAN SHARKS ARE INVOLVED> WONDER WHERE THE 5000 SEASON TICKET SALES FOR 2014 HAS GONE. RIGHT NOW I CAN HEAR PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF 1.FALSE ACCOUNTING 2.THEFT 3.TRADING WHILST INSOLVENT 4.DECEPTION ALL CRIMINAL OFFENCES WITH SEVERE MAXIMUN SENTENCES> AND AN MP AS DIRECTOR OH DEAR OH DEAR YOU ARE ALL INVESTORS/STAKEHOLDE RS IN THIS SHAMBLES. THEY HAVE TAKEN YOUR MONEY WHEN INSOLVENT AND THE SEASON WAS 3 MONTHS AWAY THROW THE BOOK THEM FANS. HOW THE T @ A COULD WRITE AN EDITORIAL ABOUT KHAN AND SUTCLFFE DOING THEIR BEST JUST 2 WEEKS AGO IS BEYOND ME[/p][/quote]Hope you have a good solicitor because your remarks are made with no foundation of facts other than vileness.[/p][/quote]We will see[/p][/quote]The Facts (Your names not Khan or Sutcliffe?) 1.HMRC insolvency procedures May 2013 2,Wages late Summer 3Khan resigns suddenly 4Sutciffe (loves to say Honoury Charman but others reveal he was also a director)resigns without a word..............st range eh Adey 5.New directors discover £400000 additional creditors and secured loan £180000 not disclosed to them 6Whitcut deemed unfit for purpose Not fit and properHistory of failed companies that NEVER filed accounts 7.All directors resignAlll assets have floating charge on.No way forward without using next years deposited season ticket sales or RFL loan/advances of sky pot 8.Bulls unable to function pot Xmas Eve.No director to run OK Bulls Limited. We will see who the vile ones are. If you are involved in any ANY way.......Get yourself one. I "ll let the police deal with the issues as they arise and they can check the facts. Ahrmen Aleg

10:32pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Reality50 says...

One way of making Odsal some extra cash is a groundshare with Bradford Park Avenue. Said for years that should happen.
One way of making Odsal some extra cash is a groundshare with Bradford Park Avenue. Said for years that should happen. Reality50

10:34pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

THE TRUE LEGAL TEST OF INSOLVENCY

IF A COMPANY CAN PAY ITS DEBTS AS THEY FALL DUE

THIS COMPANY CANNOT PAY ANY DEBTS AS THEY DO NOT HAVE A DIRECTOR OR MONEY (OTHER THAN WHAT MAY BE LEFT FROM THE MEAGRE SEASON TICKET TAKE UP. ADVANCES WHERE CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN NOT BEEN GIVEN FOR THE PAYMENTS.THE SEASON IS SME WAY OFF.IT CERTAINLY WILL NOT HAVE BEEN 5000 SOLD FOR MONEY)
THE TRUE LEGAL TEST OF INSOLVENCY IF A COMPANY CAN PAY ITS DEBTS AS THEY FALL DUE THIS COMPANY CANNOT PAY ANY DEBTS AS THEY DO NOT HAVE A DIRECTOR OR MONEY (OTHER THAN WHAT MAY BE LEFT FROM THE MEAGRE SEASON TICKET TAKE UP. ADVANCES WHERE CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN NOT BEEN GIVEN FOR THE PAYMENTS.THE SEASON IS SME WAY OFF.IT CERTAINLY WILL NOT HAVE BEEN 5000 SOLD FOR MONEY) Ahrmen Aleg

10:56pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Reality50 wrote:
One way of making Odsal some extra cash is a groundshare with Bradford Park Avenue. Said for years that should happen.
Ridiculous idea.
Avenue pay £5000 a year at Horsfall.
Odsal rent is £70000

Plus enormous maintenance costs.

I"d move the Coral Stand there If Avenue would have them.
t has a £4500 capacity now.
Two REALITY"s on here now.
Glad your the Avenue one.

But that's a daft idea.

Avenue get 300 watching.

Odsals view is a bit far from the pitch for the failing sight of the average age Avenue fan.About 70

There bid should have been accepted though.
The forecasts they presented were accurate.
And have come true
AVENUE would not take the wages on without full sky dosh.HEAD IN THE CLOUDS was so eager to fullfill his dream he thought he could fly.
Even without Sky.But hes crash landed now.


I think OK"s were dependent on the £50 pound note printing machine not been reposessed

Omar Khans and Sutcliffes were dreamland
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: One way of making Odsal some extra cash is a groundshare with Bradford Park Avenue. Said for years that should happen.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous idea. Avenue pay £5000 a year at Horsfall. Odsal rent is £70000 Plus enormous maintenance costs. I"d move the Coral Stand there If Avenue would have them. t has a £4500 capacity now. Two REALITY"s on here now. Glad your the Avenue one. But that's a daft idea. Avenue get 300 watching. Odsals view is a bit far from the pitch for the failing sight of the average age Avenue fan.About 70 There bid should have been accepted though. The forecasts they presented were accurate. And have come true AVENUE would not take the wages on without full sky dosh.HEAD IN THE CLOUDS was so eager to fullfill his dream he thought he could fly. Even without Sky.But hes crash landed now. I think OK"s were dependent on the £50 pound note printing machine not been reposessed Omar Khans and Sutcliffes were dreamland Ahrmen Aleg

3:31am Fri 27 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Reality001 should really be dreamland001. Even with all the news and facts to pick through, your still towing the line Khan and Sutcliffe want you to.

Notice at no stage they deny these debts exist, instead hoping to get their money back before disappearing. I bet you still buy the left for ill health excuse.
Reality001 should really be dreamland001. Even with all the news and facts to pick through, your still towing the line Khan and Sutcliffe want you to. Notice at no stage they deny these debts exist, instead hoping to get their money back before disappearing. I bet you still buy the left for ill health excuse. Thee Voice of Reason

4:21am Fri 27 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT Ahrmen Aleg

9:36am Fri 27 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
Brilliant!!! The post of 2013!
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]Brilliant!!! The post of 2013! Pablo

9:52am Fri 27 Dec 13

blue marlin says...

Many a true word said in jest
Oh so sad
Many a true word said in jest Oh so sad blue marlin

9:56am Fri 27 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

NG1972 wrote:
does anyone know whether we will be able to get our money back what we have paid for our 2014 season tickets. I paid mine in monthly instalments. I'm going to Odsal tomorrow to enquire. Unfortunately I don't see a way forward anymore for us.
When you say monthly how do you pay for this? If its on a card you can instruct your bank to stop the automatic deductions (takes some time and bit of a pain but works). If on DD then just simply cancel the DD.

I would advise everyone to simply pay on the door now should they wish to go watch if they do continue as a club
[quote][p][bold]NG1972[/bold] wrote: does anyone know whether we will be able to get our money back what we have paid for our 2014 season tickets. I paid mine in monthly instalments. I'm going to Odsal tomorrow to enquire. Unfortunately I don't see a way forward anymore for us.[/p][/quote]When you say monthly how do you pay for this? If its on a card you can instruct your bank to stop the automatic deductions (takes some time and bit of a pain but works). If on DD then just simply cancel the DD. I would advise everyone to simply pay on the door now should they wish to go watch if they do continue as a club Andy2010

9:59am Fri 27 Dec 13

grafter1980 says...

Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director. grafter1980

10:07am Fri 27 Dec 13

BD16 says...

grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
[quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all. BD16

10:43am Fri 27 Dec 13

grafter1980 says...

BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Maybe over next couple of weeks we should play 'Hon Chairman' bingo. You also win a point for any article that mentions Watt/Calvert/Moore by name without naming any of the previous Directors by name.

Further suggestions welcome
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Maybe over next couple of weeks we should play 'Hon Chairman' bingo. You also win a point for any article that mentions Watt/Calvert/Moore by name without naming any of the previous Directors by name. Further suggestions welcome grafter1980

12:08pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ? Mike Strutter

12:38pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Nick Harrison says...

Utter shambles.

It is not possible to have "hidden" secured loans. If a loan is to a company and it is secured it has to be registered. Query - what was it/they secured against? There are no tangible assets.

Did the new shower carry our due dilligence? Did they get in auditors to check the books/accounts? - we do not know

O.K. was th ONLY option to save the club. No other offer on the table was acceptible to the RFL. It was a far from perfect solution, but it kept the Bulls open and trading. I cannot see how it is unreasonable when he sells the company to expect to be paid. He ploughed in a lot of money. Not long before his departure the T & A reported that he put in a further £900k from a property portfolio. Is it unreasonable to want repaying, even if it is over time rather than a lump sum? If people think this unreasonable then they live in cloud cuckoo land. We simply do not know what the stumbling block has been or what the discussions have been about.

Is it telling that whilst the recfently departed keep mentionning the debt, the need to lover overheads by £400k etc, they never tell us what the debt is. They seem very happy to air all other dirty laundry in public, why not this bit? Pehaps if they had not wanted to earn a quick buck by aquiring a struggling business for next to, or indeed for nothing and had done their research properly they would still be there and not blaming others.

As for the RFL - a disgrace! who the hell carries out their due dilligence should be hung out to dry. Remember Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd - they passed the franchise audit with a half decent report. A matter of weeks later they were insolvent. OK Bulls come along, business plan etc and pass an RFL audit, New board comes along, business plan and negotiations with RFL and are approved (even questionning one of the guys who steps out of the loop as a result). NOTHING has happened at Odsal without the thorough examination and approval of the RFL.
Utter shambles. It is not possible to have "hidden" secured loans. If a loan is to a company and it is secured it has to be registered. Query - what was it/they secured against? There are no tangible assets. Did the new shower carry our due dilligence? Did they get in auditors to check the books/accounts? - we do not know O.K. was th ONLY option to save the club. No other offer on the table was acceptible to the RFL. It was a far from perfect solution, but it kept the Bulls open and trading. I cannot see how it is unreasonable when he sells the company to expect to be paid. He ploughed in a lot of money. Not long before his departure the T & A reported that he put in a further £900k from a property portfolio. Is it unreasonable to want repaying, even if it is over time rather than a lump sum? If people think this unreasonable then they live in cloud cuckoo land. We simply do not know what the stumbling block has been or what the discussions have been about. Is it telling that whilst the recfently departed keep mentionning the debt, the need to lover overheads by £400k etc, they never tell us what the debt is. They seem very happy to air all other dirty laundry in public, why not this bit? Pehaps if they had not wanted to earn a quick buck by aquiring a struggling business for next to, or indeed for nothing and had done their research properly they would still be there and not blaming others. As for the RFL - a disgrace! who the hell carries out their due dilligence should be hung out to dry. Remember Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd - they passed the franchise audit with a half decent report. A matter of weeks later they were insolvent. OK Bulls come along, business plan etc and pass an RFL audit, New board comes along, business plan and negotiations with RFL and are approved (even questionning one of the guys who steps out of the loop as a result). NOTHING has happened at Odsal without the thorough examination and approval of the RFL. Nick Harrison

12:39pm Fri 27 Dec 13

BD16 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
I'd be very interested to find out who knew what. Politics being what it is I'm not so sure that information would be given voluntarily.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]I'd be very interested to find out who knew what. Politics being what it is I'm not so sure that information would be given voluntarily. BD16

12:42pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left.
Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it?
Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left. Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it? Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!! Scrouge

12:49pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Nick Harrison wrote:
Utter shambles.

It is not possible to have "hidden" secured loans. If a loan is to a company and it is secured it has to be registered. Query - what was it/they secured against? There are no tangible assets.

Did the new shower carry our due dilligence? Did they get in auditors to check the books/accounts? - we do not know

O.K. was th ONLY option to save the club. No other offer on the table was acceptible to the RFL. It was a far from perfect solution, but it kept the Bulls open and trading. I cannot see how it is unreasonable when he sells the company to expect to be paid. He ploughed in a lot of money. Not long before his departure the T & A reported that he put in a further £900k from a property portfolio. Is it unreasonable to want repaying, even if it is over time rather than a lump sum? If people think this unreasonable then they live in cloud cuckoo land. We simply do not know what the stumbling block has been or what the discussions have been about.

Is it telling that whilst the recfently departed keep mentionning the debt, the need to lover overheads by £400k etc, they never tell us what the debt is. They seem very happy to air all other dirty laundry in public, why not this bit? Pehaps if they had not wanted to earn a quick buck by aquiring a struggling business for next to, or indeed for nothing and had done their research properly they would still be there and not blaming others.

As for the RFL - a disgrace! who the hell carries out their due dilligence should be hung out to dry. Remember Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd - they passed the franchise audit with a half decent report. A matter of weeks later they were insolvent. OK Bulls come along, business plan etc and pass an RFL audit, New board comes along, business plan and negotiations with RFL and are approved (even questionning one of the guys who steps out of the loop as a result). NOTHING has happened at Odsal without the thorough examination and approval of the RFL.
I think if the loan was taken out against dubious promises, as is being alleged, then there is every chance it is 'buried'.

The RFL made the biggest mistake in only ratifying the OK bid, at that point everyone breathed a sigh of relief and thought things would progress, as has been borne out, that isn't the case and if anything the club is in a far more perilous position than before OK stepped in.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: Utter shambles. It is not possible to have "hidden" secured loans. If a loan is to a company and it is secured it has to be registered. Query - what was it/they secured against? There are no tangible assets. Did the new shower carry our due dilligence? Did they get in auditors to check the books/accounts? - we do not know O.K. was th ONLY option to save the club. No other offer on the table was acceptible to the RFL. It was a far from perfect solution, but it kept the Bulls open and trading. I cannot see how it is unreasonable when he sells the company to expect to be paid. He ploughed in a lot of money. Not long before his departure the T & A reported that he put in a further £900k from a property portfolio. Is it unreasonable to want repaying, even if it is over time rather than a lump sum? If people think this unreasonable then they live in cloud cuckoo land. We simply do not know what the stumbling block has been or what the discussions have been about. Is it telling that whilst the recfently departed keep mentionning the debt, the need to lover overheads by £400k etc, they never tell us what the debt is. They seem very happy to air all other dirty laundry in public, why not this bit? Pehaps if they had not wanted to earn a quick buck by aquiring a struggling business for next to, or indeed for nothing and had done their research properly they would still be there and not blaming others. As for the RFL - a disgrace! who the hell carries out their due dilligence should be hung out to dry. Remember Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd - they passed the franchise audit with a half decent report. A matter of weeks later they were insolvent. OK Bulls come along, business plan etc and pass an RFL audit, New board comes along, business plan and negotiations with RFL and are approved (even questionning one of the guys who steps out of the loop as a result). NOTHING has happened at Odsal without the thorough examination and approval of the RFL.[/p][/quote]I think if the loan was taken out against dubious promises, as is being alleged, then there is every chance it is 'buried'. The RFL made the biggest mistake in only ratifying the OK bid, at that point everyone breathed a sigh of relief and thought things would progress, as has been borne out, that isn't the case and if anything the club is in a far more perilous position than before OK stepped in. Prisoner Cell Block A

2:02pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Nick Harrison wrote:
Utter shambles.

It is not possible to have "hidden" secured loans. If a loan is to a company and it is secured it has to be registered. Query - what was it/they secured against? There are no tangible assets.

Did the new shower carry our due dilligence? Did they get in auditors to check the books/accounts? - we do not know

O.K. was th ONLY option to save the club. No other offer on the table was acceptible to the RFL. It was a far from perfect solution, but it kept the Bulls open and trading. I cannot see how it is unreasonable when he sells the company to expect to be paid. He ploughed in a lot of money. Not long before his departure the T & A reported that he put in a further £900k from a property portfolio. Is it unreasonable to want repaying, even if it is over time rather than a lump sum? If people think this unreasonable then they live in cloud cuckoo land. We simply do not know what the stumbling block has been or what the discussions have been about.

Is it telling that whilst the recfently departed keep mentionning the debt, the need to lover overheads by £400k etc, they never tell us what the debt is. They seem very happy to air all other dirty laundry in public, why not this bit? Pehaps if they had not wanted to earn a quick buck by aquiring a struggling business for next to, or indeed for nothing and had done their research properly they would still be there and not blaming others.

As for the RFL - a disgrace! who the hell carries out their due dilligence should be hung out to dry. Remember Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd - they passed the franchise audit with a half decent report. A matter of weeks later they were insolvent. OK Bulls come along, business plan etc and pass an RFL audit, New board comes along, business plan and negotiations with RFL and are approved (even questionning one of the guys who steps out of the loop as a result). NOTHING has happened at Odsal without the thorough examination and approval of the RFL.
My guess is the were significant creditors.

And got involved to
1.Recover what they were owed
2Take it off a desperate man who had hit a dead end with nowhere to escape
3.As fans hoped to turn things.
They cannot have hoped for return

There is a debenture now on all he assets
The Coral Stand (Intangible)stock and debtors.

The Isolvency is enormous
A fire sale is currently taking place of 2013 stock.
The Bulls are today trading illegally.

THERE IS NO DIRECTOR

THe RFL are complicit

They will have to help restructure the 1.2 million debt over a very long period
They will have to pay the players.They will not pay anyone else.

THE PLAYERS WILL BE PAID>.......SKY MONEY SHOULD BE WITHELD SO OK CANNOT GRAB IT FOR WONGO TYPES

Shambles is polite

Is it any wonder New Labour left he country bankrupt

They could always have a word with the very reverend Flowers at the Coop Bank.Oops hes gone.

Perhaps they"ve ALL been on Crystal Meth for a year.
I'm told it gives you delusions that you can fly

xx
[quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: Utter shambles. It is not possible to have "hidden" secured loans. If a loan is to a company and it is secured it has to be registered. Query - what was it/they secured against? There are no tangible assets. Did the new shower carry our due dilligence? Did they get in auditors to check the books/accounts? - we do not know O.K. was th ONLY option to save the club. No other offer on the table was acceptible to the RFL. It was a far from perfect solution, but it kept the Bulls open and trading. I cannot see how it is unreasonable when he sells the company to expect to be paid. He ploughed in a lot of money. Not long before his departure the T & A reported that he put in a further £900k from a property portfolio. Is it unreasonable to want repaying, even if it is over time rather than a lump sum? If people think this unreasonable then they live in cloud cuckoo land. We simply do not know what the stumbling block has been or what the discussions have been about. Is it telling that whilst the recfently departed keep mentionning the debt, the need to lover overheads by £400k etc, they never tell us what the debt is. They seem very happy to air all other dirty laundry in public, why not this bit? Pehaps if they had not wanted to earn a quick buck by aquiring a struggling business for next to, or indeed for nothing and had done their research properly they would still be there and not blaming others. As for the RFL - a disgrace! who the hell carries out their due dilligence should be hung out to dry. Remember Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd - they passed the franchise audit with a half decent report. A matter of weeks later they were insolvent. OK Bulls come along, business plan etc and pass an RFL audit, New board comes along, business plan and negotiations with RFL and are approved (even questionning one of the guys who steps out of the loop as a result). NOTHING has happened at Odsal without the thorough examination and approval of the RFL.[/p][/quote]My guess is the were significant creditors. And got involved to 1.Recover what they were owed 2Take it off a desperate man who had hit a dead end with nowhere to escape 3.As fans hoped to turn things. They cannot have hoped for return There is a debenture now on all he assets The Coral Stand (Intangible)stock and debtors. The Isolvency is enormous A fire sale is currently taking place of 2013 stock. The Bulls are today trading illegally. THERE IS NO DIRECTOR THe RFL are complicit They will have to help restructure the 1.2 million debt over a very long period They will have to pay the players.They will not pay anyone else. THE PLAYERS WILL BE PAID>.......SKY MONEY SHOULD BE WITHELD SO OK CANNOT GRAB IT FOR WONGO TYPES Shambles is polite Is it any wonder New Labour left he country bankrupt They could always have a word with the very reverend Flowers at the Coop Bank.Oops hes gone. Perhaps they"ve ALL been on Crystal Meth for a year. I'm told it gives you delusions that you can fly xx Ahrmen Aleg

2:10pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

BD16 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
I'd be very interested to find out who knew what. Politics being what it is I'm not so sure that information would be given voluntarily.
If this goes to court then I'm sure it's going to come out
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]I'd be very interested to find out who knew what. Politics being what it is I'm not so sure that information would be given voluntarily.[/p][/quote]If this goes to court then I'm sure it's going to come out Mike Strutter

2:56pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

Rumour is Veolia have put a bid in for the hole.
Rumour is Veolia have put a bid in for the hole. Alhaurinrhino

3:12pm Fri 27 Dec 13

grafter1980 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
I'd be very interested to find out who knew what. Politics being what it is I'm not so sure that information would be given voluntarily.
If this goes to court then I'm sure it's going to come out
exactly. therefore the politicians will be working v hard for that not to happen. I bet Calvert/Moore/Watt aren't bothered about discussing everything that has happened in a court room.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]I'd be very interested to find out who knew what. Politics being what it is I'm not so sure that information would be given voluntarily.[/p][/quote]If this goes to court then I'm sure it's going to come out[/p][/quote]exactly. therefore the politicians will be working v hard for that not to happen. I bet Calvert/Moore/Watt aren't bothered about discussing everything that has happened in a court room. grafter1980

3:14pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write. Reality001

3:18pm Fri 27 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Scrouge wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left.
Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it?
Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!!
Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator.

The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers.

The T&A creed????
Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run!
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left. Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it? Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!![/p][/quote]Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator. The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers. The T&A creed???? Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link. Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run! raisemeup

3:23pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Reality001 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.
The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found.
Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible?
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.[/p][/quote]The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found. Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible? Thee Voice of Reason

3:27pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Reality001 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.
The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found.
Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible?
The Executive of Bradford Council is the Leader Of The Council and The Portfolio Holders.. i.e. Councillors.

Your correct the Councillors were not involved. It was down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Proof your making your comments up with as I have already said. You don't understand any part of the Council and how it works.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.[/p][/quote]The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found. Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible?[/p][/quote]The Executive of Bradford Council is the Leader Of The Council and The Portfolio Holders.. i.e. Councillors. Your correct the Councillors were not involved. It was down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Proof your making your comments up with as I have already said. You don't understand any part of the Council and how it works. Reality001

3:40pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Lapdancer says...

raisemeup wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left.
Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it?
Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!!
Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator.

The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers.

The T&A creed????
Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run!
Ha the moderators on the R&B are corrupt just like bulls.
They remove the truth when insiders leak it.

And WHY are insiders leaking the truth? Because they are sick of the lies. The players coming out with that they love bulls. BULL! They want out but have know where to go......

Fools like raise me up (the cretin) come on here on behalf of Bradford bulls in attempt to put a positive spin on the ongoings of the most embarrassing SL club in history! You couldn't even make if up if you tried.

Next thing we will be begging all the other SL clubs for a whip around- oh sorry that's happened before, what about asking the loyal fans....no that's also happened before!!


It's disgusting that bulls are still trying to dupe innocent fans out of their money by still selling season tickets. The timer on the bomb is ticking away, get to the job centre raise me up ooooops I mean Duffy!
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left. Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it? Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!![/p][/quote]Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator. The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers. The T&A creed???? Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link. Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run![/p][/quote]Ha the moderators on the R&B are corrupt just like bulls. They remove the truth when insiders leak it. And WHY are insiders leaking the truth? Because they are sick of the lies. The players coming out with that they love bulls. BULL! They want out but have know where to go...... Fools like raise me up (the cretin) come on here on behalf of Bradford bulls in attempt to put a positive spin on the ongoings of the most embarrassing SL club in history! You couldn't even make if up if you tried. Next thing we will be begging all the other SL clubs for a whip around- oh sorry that's happened before, what about asking the loyal fans....no that's also happened before!! It's disgusting that bulls are still trying to dupe innocent fans out of their money by still selling season tickets. The timer on the bomb is ticking away, get to the job centre raise me up ooooops I mean Duffy! Lapdancer

3:42pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

raisemeup wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left.
Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it?
Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!!
Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator.

The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers.

The T&A creed????
Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run!
Handed your ar*e on a plate by TVOR more like.

You and the other rose tinted specs brigade have been shown up for the thick bunch you are. I've been saying for the last two years that your shabby little outfit were doomed, and they are.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left. Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it? Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!![/p][/quote]Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator. The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers. The T&A creed???? Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link. Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run![/p][/quote]Handed your ar*e on a plate by TVOR more like. You and the other rose tinted specs brigade have been shown up for the thick bunch you are. I've been saying for the last two years that your shabby little outfit were doomed, and they are. Alhaurinrhino

3:42pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Reality001 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Reality001 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.
The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found.
Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible?
The Executive of Bradford Council is the Leader Of The Council and The Portfolio Holders.. i.e. Councillors.

Your correct the Councillors were not involved. It was down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Proof your making your comments up with as I have already said. You don't understand any part of the Council and how it works.
Just to add to my own comments to make it clearer.

The Executive of the Council is the Councillors.

The Corporate Management Team are the Council Officers i.e. Chief Executive and The Financial Director.

As the T&A said the Executive wasn't involved in the loan decision. The Councillors were not informed, and that includes Cllr David Green.

As I said earlier, I hope some people making comments have good solicitors, because most of you are making up lies, because you don't understand simple facts of the case.
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.[/p][/quote]The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found. Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible?[/p][/quote]The Executive of Bradford Council is the Leader Of The Council and The Portfolio Holders.. i.e. Councillors. Your correct the Councillors were not involved. It was down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Proof your making your comments up with as I have already said. You don't understand any part of the Council and how it works.[/p][/quote]Just to add to my own comments to make it clearer. The Executive of the Council is the Councillors. The Corporate Management Team are the Council Officers i.e. Chief Executive and The Financial Director. As the T&A said the Executive wasn't involved in the loan decision. The Councillors were not informed, and that includes Cllr David Green. As I said earlier, I hope some people making comments have good solicitors, because most of you are making up lies, because you don't understand simple facts of the case. Reality001

5:16pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

raisemeup wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left.
Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it?
Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!!
Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator.

The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers.

The T&A creed????
Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run!
LOL Raise me up

How the tables have turned on you.

Wheres you buddies now? Are they loitering hoping some positive news comes out of Odsal so they can jump back on?
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]What has Raisemeup got to say? He is only spokesperson for the Club left. Robbie where are you?.. Who is in charge ?? What more can we expect to be told? Can we have our money back? Has the Club still got it? Come on Bulls give us some Hope for next year. Seen on a web site Players told they are Free to Leave if they can get a contract!!!!!![/p][/quote]Nothing more to be said. This site is infested. I would much prefer to read thoughtful and truthful sites like RAB, where the occasional vile poster is removed by a decent moderator. The T&A should be severely reprimanded for not sticking to the regulations that supposedly govern this site of now mostly vipers. The T&A creed???? Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link. Like all the rest of the decent posters who attempt a balanced view, I leave you to it! The fox has finally been given the Key to the Hen Run![/p][/quote]LOL Raise me up How the tables have turned on you. Wheres you buddies now? Are they loitering hoping some positive news comes out of Odsal so they can jump back on? Andy2010

6:10pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
I don't know whats worse - This post using mental health issues or the 6 people who think it's really good and fun.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]I don't know whats worse - This post using mental health issues or the 6 people who think it's really good and fun. Reality001

6:11pm Fri 27 Dec 13

axelf1963 says...

WE'RE IN THE MONEY
WE'VE GOT NO PLAYERS
WHAT A JOKE OF A CLUB WE REALLY ARE,

WE'RE IN THE MONEY
WE'VE NO DIRECTORS
WHAT A JOKE OF A CLUB WE REALLY ARE,
WE'RE IN THE MONEY WE'VE GOT NO PLAYERS WHAT A JOKE OF A CLUB WE REALLY ARE, WE'RE IN THE MONEY WE'VE NO DIRECTORS WHAT A JOKE OF A CLUB WE REALLY ARE, axelf1963

6:43pm Fri 27 Dec 13

grafter1980 says...

Reality001 wrote:
Reality001 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Reality001 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
BD16 wrote:
grafter1980 wrote:
Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.
Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.
Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?
Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.
The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found.
Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible?
The Executive of Bradford Council is the Leader Of The Council and The Portfolio Holders.. i.e. Councillors.

Your correct the Councillors were not involved. It was down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director.

Proof your making your comments up with as I have already said. You don't understand any part of the Council and how it works.
Just to add to my own comments to make it clearer.

The Executive of the Council is the Councillors.

The Corporate Management Team are the Council Officers i.e. Chief Executive and The Financial Director.

As the T&A said the Executive wasn't involved in the loan decision. The Councillors were not informed, and that includes Cllr David Green.

As I said earlier, I hope some people making comments have good solicitors, because most of you are making up lies, because you don't understand simple facts of the case.
what's libellous in this thread. One of the posters may have made an error in knowing how loans are approved. However fact remains if the council lent money for the benefit of an organisation who's Director many of which had links (past or current ,in various guises) to that council, if (and it is only if- Mr litigious) that loan was defaulted on it would be awkward to say the least. No one to my knowledge has more that that.

Would you like me to retract my comment that GS was a Director of Ok Bulls?
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grafter1980[/bold] wrote: Sutcliffe is referred o as Hon Chairman, which is fine, but he was also a Director. Bet every T&A article never refers to him as a Director.[/p][/quote]Ian Greenwood, former leader of Bradford council, and the other directors never get a mention at all.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the current leader David Green, wouldn't he have approved the 200k tax payer funded loan ?[/p][/quote]Councillors do not approve loans given by Bradford Council. That is down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Sorry if that kills another of your nonsense rubbish comments you write.[/p][/quote]The exec was not consulted re the council loan. The T&A said back when it was first found. Also the guy thinking OK put 900k in of his property portfolio, maybe you could answer why if 900k was put into the club the wages were paid late the following month if such cash was availible?[/p][/quote]The Executive of Bradford Council is the Leader Of The Council and The Portfolio Holders.. i.e. Councillors. Your correct the Councillors were not involved. It was down to the Chief Executive and the Financial Director. Proof your making your comments up with as I have already said. You don't understand any part of the Council and how it works.[/p][/quote]Just to add to my own comments to make it clearer. The Executive of the Council is the Councillors. The Corporate Management Team are the Council Officers i.e. Chief Executive and The Financial Director. As the T&A said the Executive wasn't involved in the loan decision. The Councillors were not informed, and that includes Cllr David Green. As I said earlier, I hope some people making comments have good solicitors, because most of you are making up lies, because you don't understand simple facts of the case.[/p][/quote]what's libellous in this thread. One of the posters may have made an error in knowing how loans are approved. However fact remains if the council lent money for the benefit of an organisation who's Director many of which had links (past or current ,in various guises) to that council, if (and it is only if- Mr litigious) that loan was defaulted on it would be awkward to say the least. No one to my knowledge has more that that. Would you like me to retract my comment that GS was a Director of Ok Bulls? grafter1980

4:30am Sat 28 Dec 13

TirNaNog says...

Oooh look! Another thread that "they" can't debate sensibly on! Bar room lawyers and goons who can't string a sentence together - bliss!
Oooh look! Another thread that "they" can't debate sensibly on! Bar room lawyers and goons who can't string a sentence together - bliss! TirNaNog

5:34am Sat 28 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Reality001 wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
FOR SALE
Company with £1.2 million debt
Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million
No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts.
Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt.
Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months.
Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months.
Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months.
Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs.

The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success.
It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there.
It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds

The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone.
It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world.

The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets
The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market.

The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway.
They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them.
They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them.

A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000.
Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million.
The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year.
All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to

PO BOX 999
Broadmoor
Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy
BD 17 6 QT
I don't know whats worse - This post using mental health issues or the 6 people who think it's really good and fun.
The point is made.
Anyone would need to be mad to take this on.
If they were not they soon would be.

You clearly have no black sense of humour.
In fact you sound so boring you must work for the council.

Had your politically correct training eh?

Why are you defending the indefensible?
Are you involved?
Are you engaged by Bradford Council.I will not use the work.
Are you blind to the FULL sorry reported facts.

If you have the Bulls at heart live up to your name,pull it out and DO something to help.
The REALITY is OK needs to go and all the New Labour cohorts need a REALITY check.

People are starving In Bradford whilst the council "lend" (sorry blow)£200k of taxpayer funds to top up the £.5.5 million 10 years ago that built the CORAL stand.
Of course people are right to be ANGRY.

When it appears it has been lent to someone with not a pot to pee in and will never be recovered.
Several councillors are fuming.

Are you seriously believing OK and Gerry bypassed Greenwood and David Green.For he £200k.

TO BE FAIR I WILL DISCLOSE THAT £200000 OFFER OF LOAN WAS AVAILABLE TO THE OTHER PARTIES WHO SUBMITTED "UNCONDITONAL OFFERS" FOR THE ASSETS O BRADFOR BULLS LIMITED.


THERE IS A SERIOUS "PUBLIC INTEREST" IN THIS MATTER NOW>

IT IS ONLY RIGHT THAT THE T & A REPORT ALL FACT AND ALLOW THOSE IN THE KNOW TO COMMENT>

IT IS NOT ABOUT SELLING PAPERS>WE ALL READ FOR FREE ON HERE>

SORRY ABOUT THE UNFAIR CRITICISM YOUR WAY ROSS HEPTENSTALL.......KE
EP UP YOUR GOOD WORK WITH HANNAH
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: FOR SALE Company with £1.2 million debt Annual trading losses your guess anything from £700000 to £1,2 million No books or proper records to support an unkept Nominal ledger capabe of producing a trial balance and set of accounts. Prospective purchasers will be required to search out all pieces of paper hidden In drawers that will reveal debt. Prospective puchasers will require £800000 to see the company trough the. next 12 months. Prospective purchasers will be required to pay the vendor the price they paid for the assets (£250000).These assets have now been charged by way of Debenture for loans required to continue trading these past 15 months. Prospective purchaser will be required to repay the vendor all monies he has put in in the 12 months. Prospective purchasers should be aware that other legal actions in respect of innapropriate behaviiour by the company may crystalise in respect of breach of contracts with a possibility of significant Legal fees and potential costs. The business has a fine historical pedigree of financial success. It as never in recent years made a profit but its potential for incredible returns on investment is there. It has a secure lease on a big hole that the purchaser will be able to fill every week.The hole requires some minor improvements.One side is structurally near to being condemned.The vendor sent a 6 man delegation to see how ths could be improved.The model best suited would be tat of a multi sport village as in Qutar.The estimate cost £1000 million pounds The business would suit someone recently released from Broadmoor with mental health issues and a wad of printed £50 notes.And a very strong backbone. It would not be suitable for those with young children and modest income as at the first sign of poor success financially and in the field its customers and other stakeholders will scream "Traitor" throughout the social networking sites of the world. The business has real potential and just needs someone with even half a brain to realise that to pay £2.5 million a year in wages they would need to be selling 10000 season tickets The alternative model is not acceptable or an option as its 4000 till tey die custom base will not accept a lower position in competitor rankings than it has been for 7 years as its aims are for the AIM floatation market. The business offers good value great potential and wlll be an easy managed venture.The purchaser will have stress free living for half an hour a week and would ideally suit someone with grown up children and divorced.That would not neccesariily be absolutely essential as within months they will be divorced anyway. They wlll have to endure hate and may need to employ security staff in the area in order to protect them. They may lose everything but will still have the satisfaction of everyone hating them. A Fine little proposition ..... a snip at £800000. Please hurry for this once in a lifetime opportunity as such is demand and rising debt that the price by January 19th will be £1 million. The business has had the benefiit of crucial support of the honourable former MInister For Sport who has acted as a director in its first and only year. All applications will be strictly confidential and should be in writing to PO BOX 999 Broadmoor Somewhere on the Edge Of Lunacy BD 17 6 QT[/p][/quote]I don't know whats worse - This post using mental health issues or the 6 people who think it's really good and fun.[/p][/quote]The point is made. Anyone would need to be mad to take this on. If they were not they soon would be. You clearly have no black sense of humour. In fact you sound so boring you must work for the council. Had your politically correct training eh? Why are you defending the indefensible? Are you involved? Are you engaged by Bradford Council.I will not use the work. Are you blind to the FULL sorry reported facts. If you have the Bulls at heart live up to your name,pull it out and DO something to help. The REALITY is OK needs to go and all the New Labour cohorts need a REALITY check. People are starving In Bradford whilst the council "lend" (sorry blow)£200k of taxpayer funds to top up the £.5.5 million 10 years ago that built the CORAL stand. Of course people are right to be ANGRY. When it appears it has been lent to someone with not a pot to pee in and will never be recovered. Several councillors are fuming. Are you seriously believing OK and Gerry bypassed Greenwood and David Green.For he £200k. TO BE FAIR I WILL DISCLOSE THAT £200000 OFFER OF LOAN WAS AVAILABLE TO THE OTHER PARTIES WHO SUBMITTED "UNCONDITONAL OFFERS" FOR THE ASSETS O BRADFOR BULLS LIMITED. THERE IS A SERIOUS "PUBLIC INTEREST" IN THIS MATTER NOW> IT IS ONLY RIGHT THAT THE T & A REPORT ALL FACT AND ALLOW THOSE IN THE KNOW TO COMMENT> IT IS NOT ABOUT SELLING PAPERS>WE ALL READ FOR FREE ON HERE> SORRY ABOUT THE UNFAIR CRITICISM YOUR WAY ROSS HEPTENSTALL.......KE EP UP YOUR GOOD WORK WITH HANNAH Ahrmen Aleg

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