Bradford MPs welcome fall in unemployment

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Bradford MPs welcome fall in unemployment Bradford MPs welcome fall in unemployment

Dole queues in Bradford shortened last month, with the number of people claiming out-of-work benefits in one area of the district falling to the lowest level in five years.

Government figures released yesterday show there were 16,980 people claiming Jobseekers’ Allowance across Bradford in November – 2,459 fewer than in the same month last year, when 19,439 were signing on.

While the number of unemployed people in some areas of the district fell to the lowest level in about two years, the number of people claiming benefits in Keighley fell to the lowest number since January, 2009.

Nationally, the number of people out of work fell by 99,000 to 2.39 million in the three months to October – the lowest level in four and a half years.

However, two Bradford constituencies – Bradford East and Bradford West – remain among the top ten worst areas of the country for unemployment.

In Keighley, there were 1,913 people signing on for out-of-work benefits in November, compared with 1,840 five years ago.

Figures show there were 105 fewer claimants than in the October and 476 fewer than 12 months ago.

The constituency’s Conservative MP Kris Hopkins said: “This is very good news, particularly in the run-up to Christmas. I am particularly pleased that youth unemployment in Keighley has fallen by 0.5 per cent in the past month, and we must continue to make every effort to ensure that the trend continues downwards.”

In Bradford East, there were 4,922 people claiming out-of-work benefits last month, compared with 5,486 the year before.

Youth unemployment also fell from 1,450 last November to 1,375 this year – the lowest figure since June 2011.

However, Liberal Democrat MP David Ward said his constituency still had the eighth highest level of unemployment across the country. He said: “It’s an early Christmas present to know that unemployment is continuing to fall across my constituency and has in the main been falling gradually since the start of the year. We are now seeing a consistent reduction in unemployment. However, we should not be pulling on any party hats just yet. We cannot relax and must keep doing more to promote Bradford jobs and Bradford businesses.”

The Bradford West area saw the number of people claiming Jobseekers’ Allowance fall from 5,537 last November to 5,013 this November, with 149 fewer claimants than in October.

But the constituency has the seventh highest rate of unemployment of all constituencies across the country.

Respect MP George Galloway said: “These figures bring little comfort and no indication that the economy is healing, although any reduction at all at this time of the year, however slight, is welcome.”

In Bradford South, there were 3,429 claimants in the Bradford South area in November, compared with 3,505 in October. While in Shipley, the number of jobseekers fell for the fourth month in a row to 1,703, compared with 2,043 a year ago. Bradford South Labour MP Gerry Sutcliffe said: “More needs to be done to help the long-term unemployed back into work.”

He said Labour would introduce a compulsory jobs guarantee, which would get any adult out of work for more than two years, or young person out of work for a year, into a job.

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6:34am Thu 19 Dec 13

OLDLAD says...

People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help. OLDLAD

6:49am Thu 19 Dec 13

Albion. says...

OLDLAD wrote:
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.[/p][/quote]Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before. Albion.

9:20am Thu 19 Dec 13

BertSanders says...

.Anyone who has ever started a business knows that optimism is infectious pessimism is destructive. We are going in the right direction. It is a long road and we must keep moving on insisting that tomorrow will be better.
.Anyone who has ever started a business knows that optimism is infectious pessimism is destructive. We are going in the right direction. It is a long road and we must keep moving on insisting that tomorrow will be better. BertSanders

9:21am Thu 19 Dec 13

sorrow&anger says...

BertSanders wrote:
.Anyone who has ever started a business knows that optimism is infectious pessimism is destructive. We are going in the right direction. It is a long road and we must keep moving on insisting that tomorrow will be better.
Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: .Anyone who has ever started a business knows that optimism is infectious pessimism is destructive. We are going in the right direction. It is a long road and we must keep moving on insisting that tomorrow will be better.[/p][/quote]Do you also believe in the tooth fairy? sorrow&anger

9:31am Thu 19 Dec 13

OLDLAD says...

2000 new jobs in westfield whn complete. How many of these jobs are already filled by firms closing shops to move into new location? Anybody got figures on this.
2000 new jobs in westfield whn complete. How many of these jobs are already filled by firms closing shops to move into new location? Anybody got figures on this. OLDLAD

9:35am Thu 19 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

OLDLAD wrote:
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
Tend to agree. Also, it is that time of year when people are taken on for the 'season' and then let go after January, especially in retail.

I'd like to see the 'spike' once the sales are over.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.[/p][/quote]Tend to agree. Also, it is that time of year when people are taken on for the 'season' and then let go after January, especially in retail. I'd like to see the 'spike' once the sales are over. Prisoner Cell Block A

9:39am Thu 19 Dec 13

BertSanders says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
BertSanders wrote:
.Anyone who has ever started a business knows that optimism is infectious pessimism is destructive. We are going in the right direction. It is a long road and we must keep moving on insisting that tomorrow will be better.
Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
Perhaps I did believe in the tooth fairy. I also believe in self determination -
believing that it is up to someone else is unlikely to solve the problem
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: .Anyone who has ever started a business knows that optimism is infectious pessimism is destructive. We are going in the right direction. It is a long road and we must keep moving on insisting that tomorrow will be better.[/p][/quote]Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?[/p][/quote]Perhaps I did believe in the tooth fairy. I also believe in self determination - believing that it is up to someone else is unlikely to solve the problem BertSanders

9:47am Thu 19 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

OLDLAD wrote:
2000 new jobs in westfield whn complete. How many of these jobs are already filled by firms closing shops to move into new location? Anybody got figures on this.
Today's Westfield article says "It is estimated the scheme will create 1,500 construction and 2,500 new retail jobs"

If all 70 units are full, that's an average of 36 NEW jobs per shop. If a large proportion of the units are relatively small ones that seems like an awful lot of new jobs to be claiming, especially when all the committed shops except Debenhams already exist in the city.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: 2000 new jobs in westfield whn complete. How many of these jobs are already filled by firms closing shops to move into new location? Anybody got figures on this.[/p][/quote]Today's Westfield article says "It is estimated the scheme will create 1,500 construction and 2,500 new retail jobs" If all 70 units are full, that's an average of 36 NEW jobs per shop. If a large proportion of the units are relatively small ones that seems like an awful lot of new jobs to be claiming, especially when all the committed shops except Debenhams already exist in the city. angry bradfordian

9:53am Thu 19 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

OLDLAD wrote:
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
It amazes me how both sides of the political spectrum only believe statistics when it suits them and assume everything's fixed when it doesn't.

Balls, Miliband and the Guardianistas were more than happy to quote unemployment, inflation & growth figures for a couple of years, but now things don't look so bad they must be wrong (as did the Tories before them)
Now things are looking better, they've changed tack and I'm already bored of every shadow cabinet member crowbarring the phrase 'cost of living crisis' into any TV or radio appearance, regardless of the subject.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.[/p][/quote]It amazes me how both sides of the political spectrum only believe statistics when it suits them and assume everything's fixed when it doesn't. Balls, Miliband and the Guardianistas were more than happy to quote unemployment, inflation & growth figures for a couple of years, but now things don't look so bad they must be wrong (as did the Tories before them) Now things are looking better, they've changed tack and I'm already bored of every shadow cabinet member crowbarring the phrase 'cost of living crisis' into any TV or radio appearance, regardless of the subject. angry bradfordian

10:21am Thu 19 Dec 13

Not so simple says...

I recall that many years ago I lost my job and went to the job centre to look for more work. The advisor Told me that I can sign on for six months but will not get anything during that period. Told em to shove it and I walked off without even submitting any type of claim. There are many people in this situation where they see no point to signing on to JSA or ESA. The way the staff talk to you was disgusting. Without bragging about my education or work experience I can assure you that the advisor suggested I take a job in a meat packing plant and he didnt even look at my CV. The whole system stinks and those that run it and collate the figures know it stinks. I HAVE MET HUNDREDS OF PEOPE LIVING BARELY ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE WHO DO NOT GET A PENNY IN BENEFITS. YOU WILL BE SHOCKED HOW MANY ARE ELDERLY AND STRUGGLING TO EAT AND HEAT THEIR HOMES.

DISGUSTING
I recall that many years ago I lost my job and went to the job centre to look for more work. The advisor Told me that I can sign on for six months but will not get anything during that period. Told em to shove it and I walked off without even submitting any type of claim. There are many people in this situation where they see no point to signing on to JSA or ESA. The way the staff talk to you was disgusting. Without bragging about my education or work experience I can assure you that the advisor suggested I take a job in a meat packing plant and he didnt even look at my CV. The whole system stinks and those that run it and collate the figures know it stinks. I HAVE MET HUNDREDS OF PEOPE LIVING BARELY ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE WHO DO NOT GET A PENNY IN BENEFITS. YOU WILL BE SHOCKED HOW MANY ARE ELDERLY AND STRUGGLING TO EAT AND HEAT THEIR HOMES. DISGUSTING Not so simple

11:18am Thu 19 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

We can all look forward to the new con.

3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent.

Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.
We can all look forward to the new con. 3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent. Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures. Prisoner Cell Block A

11:38am Thu 19 Dec 13

dellorri says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We can all look forward to the new con.

3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent.

Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.
Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We can all look forward to the new con. 3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent. Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.[/p][/quote]Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks. dellorri

12:00pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

dellorri wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We can all look forward to the new con.

3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent.

Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.
Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks.
Unaffordable heating bills, mortgage payments, eating bills. More banks.

FOOD BANKS!!

I am a self determined man and have never signed on, worked all my life and sometimes two jobs, I don't however like the fact these smug thieves are continuing to destroy the fabric of our country and the one true asset, it's people.

We can all sit in our 'castles' and say it doesn't affect me so I don't care, but it will at some point unless you are really privilidged or very armoured against more cost rises. Of course there are those who post here who are of that very mind, the one upmanship brigade, eventually they too will realise.
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We can all look forward to the new con. 3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent. Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.[/p][/quote]Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks.[/p][/quote]Unaffordable heating bills, mortgage payments, eating bills. More banks. FOOD BANKS!! I am a self determined man and have never signed on, worked all my life and sometimes two jobs, I don't however like the fact these smug thieves are continuing to destroy the fabric of our country and the one true asset, it's people. We can all sit in our 'castles' and say it doesn't affect me so I don't care, but it will at some point unless you are really privilidged or very armoured against more cost rises. Of course there are those who post here who are of that very mind, the one upmanship brigade, eventually they too will realise. Prisoner Cell Block A

12:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

bonoforpm says...

Albion. wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before.
Yes , but wouldn't it be interesting to know what % in employment nationally and locally are immigrants, taking jobs from British workers
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.[/p][/quote]Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before.[/p][/quote]Yes , but wouldn't it be interesting to know what % in employment nationally and locally are immigrants, taking jobs from British workers bonoforpm

12:15pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

bonoforpm wrote:
Albion. wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before.
Yes , but wouldn't it be interesting to know what % in employment nationally and locally are immigrants, taking jobs from British workers
Not really, the jobs they will be doing mainly will be under 16 hours (officially) and zero hour contracts. Another government manipulation of figures.
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.[/p][/quote]Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before.[/p][/quote]Yes , but wouldn't it be interesting to know what % in employment nationally and locally are immigrants, taking jobs from British workers[/p][/quote]Not really, the jobs they will be doing mainly will be under 16 hours (officially) and zero hour contracts. Another government manipulation of figures. Prisoner Cell Block A

12:25pm Thu 19 Dec 13

dellorri says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
dellorri wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We can all look forward to the new con.

3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent.

Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.
Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks.
Unaffordable heating bills, mortgage payments, eating bills. More banks.

FOOD BANKS!!

I am a self determined man and have never signed on, worked all my life and sometimes two jobs, I don't however like the fact these smug thieves are continuing to destroy the fabric of our country and the one true asset, it's people.

We can all sit in our 'castles' and say it doesn't affect me so I don't care, but it will at some point unless you are really privilidged or very armoured against more cost rises. Of course there are those who post here who are of that very mind, the one upmanship brigade, eventually they too will realise.
Food banks indeed, Just yesterday debated in the house of commons, Lauded by both sides of the house for the good work they do, But the tales of sadness giggled at by the tories, as the opposition lambasted the need for foodbanks in the 7th richest nation in the world in the 21st centruy. Only a week ago Lord freud the UNELECTED minister for welfare reform, who openly stated when he took the job said "I know nothing about welfare." Told local councils, "You should financially contribute to your local foodbanks." Yet here today in the T&A, we are told local authority funding is being cut by ANOTHER £40 MILLION over the next two years. Go on the Lord Freud, show us how to magic up the money to feed people that your government is starving.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We can all look forward to the new con. 3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent. Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.[/p][/quote]Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks.[/p][/quote]Unaffordable heating bills, mortgage payments, eating bills. More banks. FOOD BANKS!! I am a self determined man and have never signed on, worked all my life and sometimes two jobs, I don't however like the fact these smug thieves are continuing to destroy the fabric of our country and the one true asset, it's people. We can all sit in our 'castles' and say it doesn't affect me so I don't care, but it will at some point unless you are really privilidged or very armoured against more cost rises. Of course there are those who post here who are of that very mind, the one upmanship brigade, eventually they too will realise.[/p][/quote]Food banks indeed, Just yesterday debated in the house of commons, Lauded by both sides of the house for the good work they do, But the tales of sadness giggled at by the tories, as the opposition lambasted the need for foodbanks in the 7th richest nation in the world in the 21st centruy. Only a week ago Lord freud the UNELECTED minister for welfare reform, who openly stated when he took the job said "I know nothing about welfare." Told local councils, "You should financially contribute to your local foodbanks." Yet here today in the T&A, we are told local authority funding is being cut by ANOTHER £40 MILLION over the next two years. Go on the Lord Freud, show us how to magic up the money to feed people that your government is starving. dellorri

1:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

dellorri wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
dellorri wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We can all look forward to the new con.

3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent.

Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.
Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks.
Unaffordable heating bills, mortgage payments, eating bills. More banks.

FOOD BANKS!!

I am a self determined man and have never signed on, worked all my life and sometimes two jobs, I don't however like the fact these smug thieves are continuing to destroy the fabric of our country and the one true asset, it's people.

We can all sit in our 'castles' and say it doesn't affect me so I don't care, but it will at some point unless you are really privilidged or very armoured against more cost rises. Of course there are those who post here who are of that very mind, the one upmanship brigade, eventually they too will realise.
Food banks indeed, Just yesterday debated in the house of commons, Lauded by both sides of the house for the good work they do, But the tales of sadness giggled at by the tories, as the opposition lambasted the need for foodbanks in the 7th richest nation in the world in the 21st centruy. Only a week ago Lord freud the UNELECTED minister for welfare reform, who openly stated when he took the job said "I know nothing about welfare." Told local councils, "You should financially contribute to your local foodbanks." Yet here today in the T&A, we are told local authority funding is being cut by ANOTHER £40 MILLION over the next two years. Go on the Lord Freud, show us how to magic up the money to feed people that your government is starving.
LORD.

Out of touch, inbred, superiority comnplexed ar**wipe

That's me being nice,
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We can all look forward to the new con. 3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent. Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.[/p][/quote]Actually Prisoner, there are many people who agree with you, the whole plan it would seem, with manipulating the employment figures, is to get them below the 7% mark. To do in effect exactly what you are describing. Plus, remember as of January, all those on JSA and under 25, will, according to the plans of Herr Duncan Schmid, now be mandated to do a "6 month community work scheme." or dorego their benefits. Once again you can be sure these people will not be counted as UNEMPLOYED, instantly removing a huge swathe from the figures.Giving IDS and his sidekick Esther McVile something else to look smug about as they did yesterday, whilst denying welfare reforms were responsible for the huge rise in the use of food banks, even for working people. Then when the interest rates rise, as they surely will, all those "hardworking" people so lauded by the tories, who thought they were getting on by buying a house at such low interest rates, will no longer be able to afford them, and we know what happens then, Eviction and reposession by the banks.[/p][/quote]Unaffordable heating bills, mortgage payments, eating bills. More banks. FOOD BANKS!! I am a self determined man and have never signed on, worked all my life and sometimes two jobs, I don't however like the fact these smug thieves are continuing to destroy the fabric of our country and the one true asset, it's people. We can all sit in our 'castles' and say it doesn't affect me so I don't care, but it will at some point unless you are really privilidged or very armoured against more cost rises. Of course there are those who post here who are of that very mind, the one upmanship brigade, eventually they too will realise.[/p][/quote]Food banks indeed, Just yesterday debated in the house of commons, Lauded by both sides of the house for the good work they do, But the tales of sadness giggled at by the tories, as the opposition lambasted the need for foodbanks in the 7th richest nation in the world in the 21st centruy. Only a week ago Lord freud the UNELECTED minister for welfare reform, who openly stated when he took the job said "I know nothing about welfare." Told local councils, "You should financially contribute to your local foodbanks." Yet here today in the T&A, we are told local authority funding is being cut by ANOTHER £40 MILLION over the next two years. Go on the Lord Freud, show us how to magic up the money to feed people that your government is starving.[/p][/quote]LORD. Out of touch, inbred, superiority comnplexed ar**wipe That's me being nice, Prisoner Cell Block A

4:32pm Thu 19 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

Got wrong figures
Got wrong figures bd7 helper

5:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We can all look forward to the new con.

3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent.

Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.
"Without wanting to sound like Roly"? Why's that then? Don't you like admitting that I'm right? I get that a lot. Glad to see you waking up though.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We can all look forward to the new con. 3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent. Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.[/p][/quote]"Without wanting to sound like Roly"? Why's that then? Don't you like admitting that I'm right? I get that a lot. Glad to see you waking up though. RollandSmoke

8:01pm Thu 19 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

bonoforpm wrote:
Albion. wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before.
Yes , but wouldn't it be interesting to know what % in employment nationally and locally are immigrants, taking jobs from British workers
Thought they were taking all our benefits? Which is it jobs or benefits they're taking? Can't have it both ways.
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.[/p][/quote]Whatever tweaking might have taken place, the fact is there are more people in the country than ever before and there are more people in employment than ever before.[/p][/quote]Yes , but wouldn't it be interesting to know what % in employment nationally and locally are immigrants, taking jobs from British workers[/p][/quote]Thought they were taking all our benefits? Which is it jobs or benefits they're taking? Can't have it both ways. allinittogether

8:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.
It amazes me how both sides of the political spectrum only believe statistics when it suits them and assume everything's fixed when it doesn't.

Balls, Miliband and the Guardianistas were more than happy to quote unemployment, inflation & growth figures for a couple of years, but now things don't look so bad they must be wrong (as did the Tories before them)
Now things are looking better, they've changed tack and I'm already bored of every shadow cabinet member crowbarring the phrase 'cost of living crisis' into any TV or radio appearance, regardless of the subject.
You may be sick of hearing it but the cost of living is what is concerning most people. The Tories might be able to cook the books and produce their **** lies of statistics but every day folk know their standard of living is still falling.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: People have either been moved to esa, sanction, seasonal work or just don't sign on as they get no benefits. Where are these jobs as all I see are shops shutting or going into administration. I think we are not being given the true figures, maybe the jobcentre could help.[/p][/quote]It amazes me how both sides of the political spectrum only believe statistics when it suits them and assume everything's fixed when it doesn't. Balls, Miliband and the Guardianistas were more than happy to quote unemployment, inflation & growth figures for a couple of years, but now things don't look so bad they must be wrong (as did the Tories before them) Now things are looking better, they've changed tack and I'm already bored of every shadow cabinet member crowbarring the phrase 'cost of living crisis' into any TV or radio appearance, regardless of the subject.[/p][/quote]You may be sick of hearing it but the cost of living is what is concerning most people. The Tories might be able to cook the books and produce their **** lies of statistics but every day folk know their standard of living is still falling. allinittogether

12:03pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
We can all look forward to the new con.

3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent.

Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.
"Without wanting to sound like Roly"? Why's that then? Don't you like admitting that I'm right? I get that a lot. Glad to see you waking up though.
I have said you have many good points and I do agree with you more than I disagree on certain things.

I also think we have a moral obligation to look out for ourselves as much as possible and not rely on the state and not expect the state to care one iota about us. Or for them to feel any moral obligation,
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: We can all look forward to the new con. 3 months of 7% unemployment or below and they can get the interest rate rising, who benefits? Banks and their equivalent. Without wanting to sound like Roly, this is a total conspiracy and fabrication of the true figures.[/p][/quote]"Without wanting to sound like Roly"? Why's that then? Don't you like admitting that I'm right? I get that a lot. Glad to see you waking up though.[/p][/quote]I have said you have many good points and I do agree with you more than I disagree on certain things. I also think we have a moral obligation to look out for ourselves as much as possible and not rely on the state and not expect the state to care one iota about us. Or for them to feel any moral obligation, Prisoner Cell Block A

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