EXCLUSIVE: Broadway development project signed and sealed

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Westfield’s director of development Duncan Bower Westfield’s director of development Duncan Bower

Developer Westfield today announced it has signed legal agreements which guarantee Bradford’s long-awaited new £260 million shopping centre being built.

The company will now unconditionally start construction works on the Broadway site as the completed documents mean it must go ahead.

Major construction is scheduled to start in January and final site preparation works are nearly done. The hope is that the build will take two years and people could be Christmas shopping there in 2015.

The Australian developer has also completed the sale of its interest to retail real estate investment manager Meyer Bergman, which has drawn international investment from Canada.

Westfield’s director of development Duncan Bower said the signing of the legal agreements was hugely significant for the city.

He said: “We’re absolutely thrilled, within Westfield and Meyer Bergman and their funds. Everybody’s working so hard to do all the work behind the scenes that we’ve been talking about for some period of time.

“It’s fantastic news, certainly for us and we feel for Bradford and all of the partners that have been so supportive of this whole process.”

Mr Bower said while the company was delighted, the big festivities would be when the project was finished.

“We are very, very pleased, but it’s the start of the project. We’re at the start of the process, we just need to get on with the job. The big celebrations come upon the completion.

“We’ve gone unconditional in terms of agreements between Westfield, Meyer Bergman and Bradford Council and we have signed up enough retailers which we said we needed in place.”

Work on the site was stalled five years ago due to the economic downturn and some have questioned whether the scheme will get under way.

Mr Bower said: “It’s been quite a difficult process and we’ve shared the frustrations of people in Bradford throughout the global downturn and we would like to thank the people of Bradford for their patience with this.

“We’d like to hope that they are happy that we’re unconditional on this.

“We’d also like to thank Bradford Council, because throughout, from the officers and leadership, they’ve put a monumental effort in to this project helping to confirm this unconditional status.”

Asked if the announcement would stop the doubters, Mr Bower said: “We certainly hope so. This has never happened before. These agreements pave the way for the construction.”

Meyer Bergman acquired the scheme as the initial investment for its second value-add fund, Meyer Bergman European Retail Partners II, which has a strategic focus on defensive prime assets located in city centre shopping destinations across Europe.

The sale of the Bradford site was completed with co-investment from two major Canadian pension funds, Healthcare of Ontario Pension Plan and AIMCo, on behalf of some its clients.

Together they appointed Westfield to develop, design, construct and lease the project, plus property manage once it is finished.

“This is very substantial international development for Bradford. It’s worth making the point that it’s international investment being attracted into Bradford,” Mr Bower said, adding that a large team at Westfield had worked “incredibly hard” on the project.

It is estimated the scheme will create 1,500 construction and 2,500 new retail jobs and Mr Bower is hopeful that it will be aspirational for the people of Bradford.

He said the company was aware of the impact the scheme could have on existing city shops and the Kirkgate Centre.

“There’s always been a degree of things moving about in any city where there’s new retails development. There’s an over-riding benefit after shops move, new retailers come in. There’s slight differences in footfall in different areas of a city, that always creates opportunities. It’s got to be a massive boost for the city.”

Westfield managing director UK/Europe and New Markets Michael Gutman said: “Westfield is delighted to announce the start of construction having remained steadfastly committed to delivering the Bradford development following cessation of work in 2008 as a result of the global financial crisis.

“Westfield has worked intensively with Bradford Council, the Government and Meyer Bergman to attract new retailers, create new jobs and ensure that this development is built for the city and the people of Bradford.”

The latest development has been enthusiastically welcomed by Bradford Council leader David Green.

Councillor Green said: “This is an important day and marks a very significant step forward for Bradford city centre. Since 2010 we have supported investment in the city centre, including establishing the growth zone, constructing City Park and working with Westfield to ensure this shopping centre becomes a reality.

“Major retailers have now confirmed their strong confidence in Bradford city centre and its potential to become the shopping destination for local people and the wider area.

“The Broadway shopping centre will create many new jobs for Bradford and support the whole city centre and existing businesses by increasing footfall in the city.

“We are working with Westfield to also maximise benefit to local businesses during the construction phase.

“We know there is still a lot to do to take forward the rest of the city centre, as we recognise in the City Plan. We will continue to work with local businesses and investors to strengthen Bradford’s economy.”

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10:59am Thu 19 Dec 13

puddin says...

shouldn't this contract have been in place from the start methinks
shouldn't this contract have been in place from the start methinks puddin

11:02am Thu 19 Dec 13

Banni2 says...

The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration!
The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration! Banni2

11:21am Thu 19 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

cant wait, been counting the days on my 10 calendars...........
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cant wait, been counting the days on my 10 calendars........... . tinytoonster

11:23am Thu 19 Dec 13

MrQuinque says...

Banni2 wrote:
The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration!
Yes, of course, we should rejoice at yet another slip in construction date, another re-announcement of an already signed contract, another hammer blow to the existing retail area of Darley Street/Kirkgate and if the thing ever gets out of the ground I suppose we should rejoice at finally getting a severly cut down version of the mall we were supposed to get years ago which is now out of date before it even opens.

We could fill the hole with a cluster of wonderful buildings, but instead you, Westfield and the Council seem to think we should rejoice at a generic box mall which ruins the view of the best part of the city and which so far has only signed up one retailer which is bringing a new brand to the Bradford retail market.
[quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration![/p][/quote]Yes, of course, we should rejoice at yet another slip in construction date, another re-announcement of an already signed contract, another hammer blow to the existing retail area of Darley Street/Kirkgate and if the thing ever gets out of the ground I suppose we should rejoice at finally getting a severly cut down version of the mall we were supposed to get years ago which is now out of date before it even opens. We could fill the hole with a cluster of wonderful buildings, but instead you, Westfield and the Council seem to think we should rejoice at a generic box mall which ruins the view of the best part of the city and which so far has only signed up one retailer which is bringing a new brand to the Bradford retail market. MrQuinque

11:31am Thu 19 Dec 13

justjustice says...

Nice to see David Cameron show up again. Did he not claim that if he came into power he would help Bradford by getting this centre built?

Yet we heard nothing from him, he didnt even show his grubby face in the city, but now this announcement is here, there he is as if he actually did something to make this happen!

Go back to London Dave, oh wait you are there because the only thing you care about from the North are the votes. You got some of our votes last election and then ignored us just like Westfield have! Well done.
Nice to see David Cameron show up again. Did he not claim that if he came into power he would help Bradford by getting this centre built? Yet we heard nothing from him, he didnt even show his grubby face in the city, but now this announcement is here, there he is as if he actually did something to make this happen! Go back to London Dave, oh wait you are there because the only thing you care about from the North are the votes. You got some of our votes last election and then ignored us just like Westfield have! Well done. justjustice

11:35am Thu 19 Dec 13

theoutsider says...

Waste of time and money I prefer 'The Hole' where are the shoppers coming from no one ever goes into Bratfud. Spend the £millions on sport and redeveloping Odsal Stadium give people a reason to come to Bratfud. Enough shops in Leeds to do us all.
Waste of time and money I prefer 'The Hole' where are the shoppers coming from no one ever goes into Bratfud. Spend the £millions on sport and redeveloping Odsal Stadium give people a reason to come to Bratfud. Enough shops in Leeds to do us all. theoutsider

11:40am Thu 19 Dec 13

theoutsider says...

ITS A TALE ..JUST ANOTHER WINTERS TALE ..WHY SHOULD WE TAKE NOTICE OF ONE MORE COUNCIL FAIL..ITS A PROJECT THAT WILL NEVER BE THOUGH IT MEANS A LOT TO DAVID GREEN ..ON A WORLD WIDE SCALE ITS JUST ANOTHER WINTERS TALE....
ITS A TALE ..JUST ANOTHER WINTERS TALE ..WHY SHOULD WE TAKE NOTICE OF ONE MORE COUNCIL FAIL..ITS A PROJECT THAT WILL NEVER BE THOUGH IT MEANS A LOT TO DAVID GREEN ..ON A WORLD WIDE SCALE ITS JUST ANOTHER WINTERS TALE.... theoutsider

11:48am Thu 19 Dec 13

bonoforpm says...

Am I the only one wondering why it is going to take almost 2 years of construction to build a modest sized mall ?
Am I the only one wondering why it is going to take almost 2 years of construction to build a modest sized mall ? bonoforpm

11:55am Thu 19 Dec 13

bonoforpm says...

Just noticed in another post (no comments allowed of course) the T&A patting themselves on the back for not rocking the boat on this project.

Good job the Daily Telegraph didn't think the same way about MPs expenses.

Perhaps someone could buy the T&A a new spine for Christmas
Just noticed in another post (no comments allowed of course) the T&A patting themselves on the back for not rocking the boat on this project. Good job the Daily Telegraph didn't think the same way about MPs expenses. Perhaps someone could buy the T&A a new spine for Christmas bonoforpm

12:01pm Thu 19 Dec 13

cab18david says...

So Pigs really do fly
So Pigs really do fly cab18david

12:08pm Thu 19 Dec 13

tyker7745 says...

promise of a 2013 start seems a bit lame now given that the building trade closes down for two or three weeks now and the weather is against the project
promise of a 2013 start seems a bit lame now given that the building trade closes down for two or three weeks now and the weather is against the project tyker7745

12:21pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S.
Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about.
Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across.

That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center.

10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news.

Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.
So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S. Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about. Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across. That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center. 10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news. Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City. Thee Voice of Reason

12:26pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Also why is Topshop and Topman listed as 2 shops, it's really just the one, no doubt to swell the numbers and make it sound more impressive.

Sainsbury's, nice of them to do a Westfield in Bingley then go join the masters in the City center. One now thinks that Bingley has been screwed over for the benefit of the City center.
Also why is Topshop and Topman listed as 2 shops, it's really just the one, no doubt to swell the numbers and make it sound more impressive. Sainsbury's, nice of them to do a Westfield in Bingley then go join the masters in the City center. One now thinks that Bingley has been screwed over for the benefit of the City center. Thee Voice of Reason

12:32pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S.
Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about.
Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across.

That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center.

10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news.

Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.
Rip Van TVOR if that's your criteria pal.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S. Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about. Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across. That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center. 10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news. Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.[/p][/quote]Rip Van TVOR if that's your criteria pal. Prisoner Cell Block A

12:38pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Rambo says...

I'd save all the ego-massaging and back slapping until it's actually finished and open.

Having been to the City centre itself for the first time in about a year at the weekend, I was shocked at the further number of shop closures around the Arndale centre area, and the sort of shops that have opened e.g. another Betfred, a hair extension shop where game was, Smokers D-light and a PoundBakery to name but a few. Darley Street had about 20 people on it, in the middle of the day on Sunday.

How exactly will Westfield building improve those streets? Even shops in Leeds have uprooted and moved to Trinity and Trinity Wakefield had a terrible impact on traditional shopping areas in the city like Northgate.
I'd save all the ego-massaging and back slapping until it's actually finished and open. Having been to the City centre itself for the first time in about a year at the weekend, I was shocked at the further number of shop closures around the Arndale centre area, and the sort of shops that have opened e.g. another Betfred, a hair extension shop where game was, Smokers D-light and a PoundBakery to name but a few. Darley Street had about 20 people on it, in the middle of the day on Sunday. How exactly will Westfield building improve those streets? Even shops in Leeds have uprooted and moved to Trinity and Trinity Wakefield had a terrible impact on traditional shopping areas in the city like Northgate. Rambo

12:45pm Thu 19 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

Every story in these columns has ended up talking about Westfield, has been like that for years.

Now it's coming, let's talk about other issues...

When do people think Andrew Davies will be playing for City again?
Every story in these columns has ended up talking about Westfield, has been like that for years. Now it's coming, let's talk about other issues... When do people think Andrew Davies will be playing for City again? linebacker2

12:51pm Thu 19 Dec 13

justjustice says...

An early Christmas present 8 years too late!
An early Christmas present 8 years too late! justjustice

12:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

GTFO!

We don't want you in Bradford!.

Aussie Shysters.
GTFO! We don't want you in Bradford!. Aussie Shysters. RuggerTyke

1:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

bonoforpm wrote:
Am I the only one wondering why it is going to take almost 2 years of construction to build a modest sized mall ?
We don't want a grubby little box with the name of criminals on it.

Mr Cameron and Co - your cronies sold prime estate with no clauses! - we want the Australian criminals to return the land to Bradford!

I'd rather it stay a hole.
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one wondering why it is going to take almost 2 years of construction to build a modest sized mall ?[/p][/quote]We don't want a grubby little box with the name of criminals on it. Mr Cameron and Co - your cronies sold prime estate with no clauses! - we want the Australian criminals to return the land to Bradford! I'd rather it stay a hole. RuggerTyke

1:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

linebacker2 wrote:
Every story in these columns has ended up talking about Westfield, has been like that for years.

Now it's coming, let's talk about other issues...

When do people think Andrew Davies will be playing for City again?
I'm sure Andrew has contacts up in Tees side who are builders. Pure English Northern grit.

Made In Bradford ?, it ain't even European!
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: Every story in these columns has ended up talking about Westfield, has been like that for years. Now it's coming, let's talk about other issues... When do people think Andrew Davies will be playing for City again?[/p][/quote]I'm sure Andrew has contacts up in Tees side who are builders. Pure English Northern grit. Made In Bradford ?, it ain't even European! RuggerTyke

1:05pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Banni2 wrote:
The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration!
Are you Barra Mac Ruairi ?. Cities have grown in to Metropolis' whilst Bradford is but a hamlet!
[quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration![/p][/quote]Are you Barra Mac Ruairi ?. Cities have grown in to Metropolis' whilst Bradford is but a hamlet! RuggerTyke

1:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Avro says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S.
Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about.
Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across.

That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center.

10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news.

Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.
I agree.

It needs to attract retailers that are not already in Bradford, which would avoid causing a scenario where a number of retailers already in the city centre vacate their existing premises just to move into Westfield.

Lets hope that nothing comes along to either slow or halt its progress, because tenants won't hang around yet again!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S. Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about. Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across. That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center. 10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news. Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.[/p][/quote]I agree. It needs to attract retailers that are not already in Bradford, which would avoid causing a scenario where a number of retailers already in the city centre vacate their existing premises just to move into Westfield. Lets hope that nothing comes along to either slow or halt its progress, because tenants won't hang around yet again! Avro

1:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Avro says...

RuggerTyke wrote:
Banni2 wrote:
The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration!
Are you Barra Mac Ruairi ?. Cities have grown in to Metropolis' whilst Bradford is but a hamlet!
Must have been at the wacky backy!
[quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration![/p][/quote]Are you Barra Mac Ruairi ?. Cities have grown in to Metropolis' whilst Bradford is but a hamlet![/p][/quote]Must have been at the wacky backy! Avro

1:15pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Avro says...

Cllr David Ward says "Bradford has had “an early Christmas present”

Another councillor that has lost the plot - July 2013, Westfield promised that the build would get underway in the final quarter of 2013
Cllr David Ward says "Bradford has had “an early Christmas present” Another councillor that has lost the plot - July 2013, Westfield promised that the build would get underway in the final quarter of 2013 Avro

1:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

It's very good news that the hole is going to be filled, but a bit of realism from the council would be good. In summary the announced shops are:
Topshop/Topman: Darley St shop closes?
Sainsbury’s: Only a 65 ft x 65 ft shop
Debenhams: NEW
Marks & Spencer: Darley St shop closes?
River Island: Arndale store closes?
H Samuel: Darley St shop closes?
Next: Forster Sq closes?
Ernest Jones: NEW
W H Smith: Darley St shop closes?
Vodafone: Arndale store closes?
Phones 4 U: Darley St shop closes?

At worst these moves could lead to 5 empty shops in Darley St (the M&S one being a large on to replace) and a couple of empty units in the Arndale. At best we've acquired a new Debenhams & a corner shop.

It would be nice to know what the council are proposing to stop this bit of town becoming a ghost town, but they're probably busy slapping themselves on the back this afternoon.
It's very good news that the hole is going to be filled, but a bit of realism from the council would be good. In summary the announced shops are: Topshop/Topman: Darley St shop closes? Sainsbury’s: Only a 65 ft x 65 ft shop Debenhams: NEW Marks & Spencer: Darley St shop closes? River Island: Arndale store closes? H Samuel: Darley St shop closes? Next: Forster Sq closes? Ernest Jones: NEW W H Smith: Darley St shop closes? Vodafone: Arndale store closes? Phones 4 U: Darley St shop closes? At worst these moves could lead to 5 empty shops in Darley St (the M&S one being a large on to replace) and a couple of empty units in the Arndale. At best we've acquired a new Debenhams & a corner shop. It would be nice to know what the council are proposing to stop this bit of town becoming a ghost town, but they're probably busy slapping themselves on the back this afternoon. angry bradfordian

1:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

Avro wrote:
Cllr David Ward says "Bradford has had “an early Christmas present” Another councillor that has lost the plot - July 2013, Westfield promised that the build would get underway in the final quarter of 2013
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[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Cllr David Ward says "Bradford has had “an early Christmas present” Another councillor that has lost the plot - July 2013, Westfield promised that the build would get underway in the final quarter of 2013[/p][/quote]http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/re generation/rebirth/r ebirthnews/945584.Br oadway_construction_ _will_start_in_New_Y ear_/ September 2006, construction will start in new year. Bacon Bantam

1:48pm Thu 19 Dec 13

BierleyBoy says...

Work is scheduled to start in January 2014 & it is hoped to be a 2 year build?Doesn't sound too signed & sealed to me.

Who is the building contractor for the project? A development of this scale would have been tendered & a contractor appointed if it were starting so soon.

A project that is classed as unconditional is not guaranteed to go ahead. There is no legal requirement for construction work to start and no legal grounds upon which the development must be built as this story claims.

Have a look at what happened to the unconditional status Summer Row development in Wolverhampton. It never happened.

As many have Sadi, what is to become of the already dreadful Kirkgate Centre. Who actually owns it & what are all the businesses in there going to do when the bigger stores in there leave?

I wonder how much money bradford council is committing to this saga? I'm led to believe it's already £4m+ on Westfield alone.

I remain convinced nothing has actually changed, and the overall consensus, apart from bandwagon jumping politicians, appears to be the same.
Work is scheduled to start in January 2014 & it is hoped to be a 2 year build?Doesn't sound too signed & sealed to me. Who is the building contractor for the project? A development of this scale would have been tendered & a contractor appointed if it were starting so soon. A project that is classed as unconditional is not guaranteed to go ahead. There is no legal requirement for construction work to start and no legal grounds upon which the development must be built as this story claims. Have a look at what happened to the unconditional status Summer Row development in Wolverhampton. It never happened. As many have Sadi, what is to become of the already dreadful Kirkgate Centre. Who actually owns it & what are all the businesses in there going to do when the bigger stores in there leave? I wonder how much money bradford council is committing to this saga? I'm led to believe it's already £4m+ on Westfield alone. I remain convinced nothing has actually changed, and the overall consensus, apart from bandwagon jumping politicians, appears to be the same. BierleyBoy

1:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Bone_idle18 says...

Morons: "It'll never be built, no start date, waste of time, Bradford need Broadway built"

Westfield: "Right, we're building it, starting in Jan"

Morons: "What can we moan about now? I know, we DON'T need Broadway"

Me "Morons!"
Morons: "It'll never be built, no start date, waste of time, Bradford need Broadway built" Westfield: "Right, we're building it, starting in Jan" Morons: "What can we moan about now? I know, we DON'T need Broadway" Me "Morons!" Bone_idle18

2:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Parz says...

I had noticed that workmen have started turning up to that bit between the Midland Hotel and the Post Office, where the portacabins are, and coming and going over that bridge they've got across the road. I can't tell what they're doing though, I can't see over the big green fence/wall.
I had noticed that workmen have started turning up to that bit between the Midland Hotel and the Post Office, where the portacabins are, and coming and going over that bridge they've got across the road. I can't tell what they're doing though, I can't see over the big green fence/wall. Parz

2:23pm Thu 19 Dec 13

basil fawlty says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S. Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about. Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across. That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center. 10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news. Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.
Some of the existing shops around town are way behind the times in terms of design and overal size. For example the extremely popular River Island shops elsewhere are able to stock a far wider range of their range than the small outlet in Bradford, hence people tend to shop elsewhere like Leeds.
If you went to Wakefield you would see that a lot of shops moved out of the Ridings to the new Wakefield Trinity shopping centre but other retailers have since filled the empty shops. The same will happen in Bradford once the wider public sees that the city centre is now once again worth retuning to as a major shopping destination.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S. Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about. Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across. That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center. 10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news. Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.[/p][/quote]Some of the existing shops around town are way behind the times in terms of design and overal size. For example the extremely popular River Island shops elsewhere are able to stock a far wider range of their range than the small outlet in Bradford, hence people tend to shop elsewhere like Leeds. If you went to Wakefield you would see that a lot of shops moved out of the Ridings to the new Wakefield Trinity shopping centre but other retailers have since filled the empty shops. The same will happen in Bradford once the wider public sees that the city centre is now once again worth retuning to as a major shopping destination. basil fawlty

2:48pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Rambo says...

Waterstones recently moved out of Wakefield Ridings and out of the city altogether. New shops include, and I quote -

"Wakefield Antique and Collectables to occupy 4,092 sq ft on the top mall.
As well as the new store opening, since September The Ridings has secured new lettings to retailers including Social Lites E Cigarettes, Diva, Ethel Austin, Hellraiser & Morgana, Stoneacre and Teeboy.
The shopping centre has also experienced an increase in contract renewals with That's Entertainment, Timpson, Monkey, Futurelinks and St Vincents all renewing their contracts"

Very high-brow.
Waterstones recently moved out of Wakefield Ridings and out of the city altogether. New shops include, and I quote - "Wakefield Antique and Collectables to occupy 4,092 sq ft on the top mall. As well as the new store opening, since September The Ridings has secured new lettings to retailers including Social Lites E Cigarettes, Diva, Ethel Austin, Hellraiser & Morgana, Stoneacre and Teeboy. The shopping centre has also experienced an increase in contract renewals with That's Entertainment, Timpson, Monkey, Futurelinks and St Vincents all renewing their contracts" Very high-brow. Rambo

3:08pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Avro says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Avro wrote:
Cllr David Ward says "Bradford has had “an early Christmas present” Another councillor that has lost the plot - July 2013, Westfield promised that the build would get underway in the final quarter of 2013
http://www.thetelegr

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September 2006, construction will start in new year.
Yep, we have seen it all before.

Westfield Derby has been put up for sale, which diverted efforts from the Bradford scheme being built.

http://www.derbytele
graph.co.uk/Westfiel
d-Derby-sale-400m/st
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story.html
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Cllr David Ward says "Bradford has had “an early Christmas present” Another councillor that has lost the plot - July 2013, Westfield promised that the build would get underway in the final quarter of 2013[/p][/quote]http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/re generation/rebirth/r ebirthnews/945584.Br oadway_construction_ _will_start_in_New_Y ear_/ September 2006, construction will start in new year.[/p][/quote]Yep, we have seen it all before. Westfield Derby has been put up for sale, which diverted efforts from the Bradford scheme being built. http://www.derbytele graph.co.uk/Westfiel d-Derby-sale-400m/st ory-20048526-detail/ story.html Avro

3:26pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Avro says...

puddin wrote:
shouldn't this contract have been in place from the start methinks
There is still no contract even with this latest announcement!
[quote][p][bold]puddin[/bold] wrote: shouldn't this contract have been in place from the start methinks[/p][/quote]There is still no contract even with this latest announcement! Avro

4:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

onedtent says...

The news item in the T & A says that Westfield have sold their interest in the scheme, and are committed to design, construct and manage it when finished. What happens when the new owners decide not to proceed with it? Westfield can walk away and say that since they no longer own it, they are not to blame. This may not be the guaranteed good news that the eternal optimists in Bradford believe it to be.
The news item in the T & A says that Westfield have sold their interest in the scheme, and are committed to design, construct and manage it when finished. What happens when the new owners decide not to proceed with it? Westfield can walk away and say that since they no longer own it, they are not to blame. This may not be the guaranteed good news that the eternal optimists in Bradford believe it to be. onedtent

4:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jamesbfield77 says...

puddin wrote:
shouldn't this contract have been in place from the start methinks
If they had have pulled their finger out from day 1 then it would have been built years ago. Now we have to wait 2 years!
[quote][p][bold]puddin[/bold] wrote: shouldn't this contract have been in place from the start methinks[/p][/quote]If they had have pulled their finger out from day 1 then it would have been built years ago. Now we have to wait 2 years! jamesbfield77

4:30pm Thu 19 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

tinytoonster wrote:
cant wait, been counting the days on my 10 calendars...........

.
More lyk 2025... excuses all the tym
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: cant wait, been counting the days on my 10 calendars........... .[/p][/quote]More lyk 2025... excuses all the tym bd7 helper

4:32pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Morons: "It'll never be built, no start date, waste of time, Bradford need Broadway built"

Westfield: "Right, we're building it, starting in Jan"

Morons: "What can we moan about now? I know, we DON'T need Broadway"

Me "Morons!"
With a name like yours I wouldn't be surprised if Westfield don't try to employ you to build it!

What a t1t!
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Morons: "It'll never be built, no start date, waste of time, Bradford need Broadway built" Westfield: "Right, we're building it, starting in Jan" Morons: "What can we moan about now? I know, we DON'T need Broadway" Me "Morons!"[/p][/quote]With a name like yours I wouldn't be surprised if Westfield don't try to employ you to build it! What a t1t! SinnerSaint

4:40pm Thu 19 Dec 13

sorrow&anger says...

I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.
I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction. sorrow&anger

4:45pm Thu 19 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S.
Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about.
Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across.

That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center.

10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news.

Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.
Topshop on Darley street is pathetic, so is H Samuel. The bigger units in Westfield will allow them to stock a much better range like the stores in the bigger cities do.

People like you have been moaning about the size of Topshop and M&S and the state of WH Smiths for years, but now everything is going to improve and funnily enough, still not happy.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So Topshop and Topman have signed up. Thats another loss on Darley Street to go with Phones4u, HM Samuels and M&S. Sainsbury's, thats a shop to get excited about. Next, Vodafone, WH Smith & River Island will no doubt leave empty shops as they move across. That leaves us with a net gain of Debenhams in the City center. 10 years and the promise of start next month and 1 shop that isn't already in the City, and this is great fantastic news. Some are easily pleased, wake me up when they actually start building, actually scrap that as they started before but then just stopped. Wake me up when it is done and we have more than 1 shop that isn't already in the City.[/p][/quote]Topshop on Darley street is pathetic, so is H Samuel. The bigger units in Westfield will allow them to stock a much better range like the stores in the bigger cities do. People like you have been moaning about the size of Topshop and M&S and the state of WH Smiths for years, but now everything is going to improve and funnily enough, still not happy. schroeder

5:07pm Thu 19 Dec 13

schroeder says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.
Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this.
Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted?
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.[/p][/quote]Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this. Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted? schroeder

5:14pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Avro says...

onedtent wrote:
The news item in the T & A says that Westfield have sold their interest in the scheme, and are committed to design, construct and manage it when finished. What happens when the new owners decide not to proceed with it? Westfield can walk away and say that since they no longer own it, they are not to blame. This may not be the guaranteed good news that the eternal optimists in Bradford believe it to be.
Apparently Bergman have a contract caviat, that states Westfield must secure enough tenants to facilitate the build, then build and manage it for a given period, otherwise the sale to Bergman will fall through.

In effect, its sounding like Westfield will still own the scheme until it is up and running, and then step back into a managaement role and the formal hand over to Bergman, then Westfield eventually walk away once the management period has been fulfilled, but we wil stil be left with the name that will always blight this comedy of errors.

I very much doubt that Bergman will pull out now that Westfield seemingly have enough tenants to facilitate the build
[quote][p][bold]onedtent[/bold] wrote: The news item in the T & A says that Westfield have sold their interest in the scheme, and are committed to design, construct and manage it when finished. What happens when the new owners decide not to proceed with it? Westfield can walk away and say that since they no longer own it, they are not to blame. This may not be the guaranteed good news that the eternal optimists in Bradford believe it to be.[/p][/quote]Apparently Bergman have a contract caviat, that states Westfield must secure enough tenants to facilitate the build, then build and manage it for a given period, otherwise the sale to Bergman will fall through. In effect, its sounding like Westfield will still own the scheme until it is up and running, and then step back into a managaement role and the formal hand over to Bergman, then Westfield eventually walk away once the management period has been fulfilled, but we wil stil be left with the name that will always blight this comedy of errors. I very much doubt that Bergman will pull out now that Westfield seemingly have enough tenants to facilitate the build Avro

5:15pm Thu 19 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Topshop, M&S, Next, River Island, Debenhams, Ernest Jones... not a bad start at all.

I'm confident this shopping centre will be almost fully let with mostly new names to the city by the time it opens.
Topshop, M&S, Next, River Island, Debenhams, Ernest Jones... not a bad start at all. I'm confident this shopping centre will be almost fully let with mostly new names to the city by the time it opens. schroeder

5:32pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Spanishbob19 says...

Ffs. Don't build it everyone moans, build it everyone moans. One common denominator here, people of Bradford like to moan. It will take a couple of years to build, but I for one will be happy when construction machinery moves on site.
Ffs. Don't build it everyone moans, build it everyone moans. One common denominator here, people of Bradford like to moan. It will take a couple of years to build, but I for one will be happy when construction machinery moves on site. Spanishbob19

5:37pm Thu 19 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Great news, will add greatly to what Bradford has to offer in retail. We as a family will continue to do all our shopping in Bradford . When Westfield is open for business we along with thousands of other Bradfordians will be using their facilities also. Just need the Odeon sorting now, a new concert and conference centre (Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe would make a great name) would be a fantastic new world class facility for the city centre, let's hope that also happens. Well done to all those that kept working to get Westfield off the ground, great job, that must have been at times, soul destroying!!!!!
Great news, will add greatly to what Bradford has to offer in retail. We as a family will continue to do all our shopping in Bradford . When Westfield is open for business we along with thousands of other Bradfordians will be using their facilities also. Just need the Odeon sorting now, a new concert and conference centre (Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe would make a great name) would be a fantastic new world class facility for the city centre, let's hope that also happens. Well done to all those that kept working to get Westfield off the ground, great job, that must have been at times, soul destroying!!!!! bcfc1903

5:46pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Not interested. Bradfordians have had the mick taken out of them for over a decade. There is no way I will be cheering the construction, If it ever happens, of this Mall. Westfield have betrayed Bradford and kept us hanging too long. Any financial gain will be theirs not ours. Tell them to sling their hooks.
Not interested. Bradfordians have had the mick taken out of them for over a decade. There is no way I will be cheering the construction, If it ever happens, of this Mall. Westfield have betrayed Bradford and kept us hanging too long. Any financial gain will be theirs not ours. Tell them to sling their hooks. RollandSmoke

7:39pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jjbabs19 says...

For the last so many years I've been shopping elsewhere. Mainly Leeds & Huddersfield. Will I change my shopping habits. If it's anything like Trinity in Leeds, probably not I can't offord to shop there. On the positive side, I will start walking into Bfd. Something I've not done since that boarding appeared. I'll be able to walk through, and not be expected to walk round, which has been the case for years. No provision made for the walkers amongst us. I just want to see the back of that boarding.
For the last so many years I've been shopping elsewhere. Mainly Leeds & Huddersfield. Will I change my shopping habits. If it's anything like Trinity in Leeds, probably not I can't offord to shop there. On the positive side, I will start walking into Bfd. Something I've not done since that boarding appeared. I'll be able to walk through, and not be expected to walk round, which has been the case for years. No provision made for the walkers amongst us. I just want to see the back of that boarding. jjbabs19

9:43pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Banni2 says...

Bradford council should know concentrate all it's efforts into linking the bottom of the town with the top, expanding covered shopping malls would be good start. A positive attitude is required to encourage major investment and radical solutions if we are to achieve the final solution to the Bradford Hole syndrome.
Bradford council should know concentrate all it's efforts into linking the bottom of the town with the top, expanding covered shopping malls would be good start. A positive attitude is required to encourage major investment and radical solutions if we are to achieve the final solution to the Bradford Hole syndrome. Banni2

9:49pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Not so simple says...

Basically this new announcement means that if there are any more delays we cannot blame the council or Westfield....we have new boogeymen in the form of funders from abroad.

Totally agree we need a new shopping centre but it should not compromise the already existing shops on the otherside of town...it should compliment them. Some shops that have managed to stay open will close due to footfall
Moving to Westfield site...expect more empty shops throughout the city centre.

Wonder what the council wil do with the rest of these empty shops and buildings....this council fails as it never plans with foresight!
Basically this new announcement means that if there are any more delays we cannot blame the council or Westfield....we have new boogeymen in the form of funders from abroad. Totally agree we need a new shopping centre but it should not compromise the already existing shops on the otherside of town...it should compliment them. Some shops that have managed to stay open will close due to footfall Moving to Westfield site...expect more empty shops throughout the city centre. Wonder what the council wil do with the rest of these empty shops and buildings....this council fails as it never plans with foresight! Not so simple

11:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Not interested. Bradfordians have had the mick taken out of them for over a decade. There is no way I will be cheering the construction, If it ever happens, of this Mall. Westfield have betrayed Bradford and kept us hanging too long. Any financial gain will be theirs not ours. Tell them to sling their hooks.
Hear hear.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Not interested. Bradfordians have had the mick taken out of them for over a decade. There is no way I will be cheering the construction, If it ever happens, of this Mall. Westfield have betrayed Bradford and kept us hanging too long. Any financial gain will be theirs not ours. Tell them to sling their hooks.[/p][/quote]Hear hear. RuggerTyke

11:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Spanishbob19 wrote:
Ffs. Don't build it everyone moans, build it everyone moans. One common denominator here, people of Bradford like to moan. It will take a couple of years to build, but I for one will be happy when construction machinery moves on site.
Bradford's been metaphorically raped for nigh on ten years.

Westfield have destroyed Bradford. Why do we want them here ?.

I suppose the Germans should have rebuilt their WWII wreckage and sponsored them Luftwaffe.
[quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: Ffs. Don't build it everyone moans, build it everyone moans. One common denominator here, people of Bradford like to moan. It will take a couple of years to build, but I for one will be happy when construction machinery moves on site.[/p][/quote]Bradford's been metaphorically raped for nigh on ten years. Westfield have destroyed Bradford. Why do we want them here ?. I suppose the Germans should have rebuilt their WWII wreckage and sponsored them Luftwaffe. RuggerTyke

11:17pm Thu 19 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Avro wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Banni2 wrote:
The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration!
Are you Barra Mac Ruairi ?. Cities have grown in to Metropolis' whilst Bradford is but a hamlet!
Must have been at the wacky backy!
I'm contrary to this great Bradford tradition.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Banni2[/bold] wrote: The people of Bradford should rejoice, at last our once great City my begin to live again. (Unless some of you out there like it as it is) I for one will be glad to see some regeneration![/p][/quote]Are you Barra Mac Ruairi ?. Cities have grown in to Metropolis' whilst Bradford is but a hamlet![/p][/quote]Must have been at the wacky backy![/p][/quote]I'm contrary to this great Bradford tradition. RuggerTyke

1:36am Fri 20 Dec 13

justjustice says...

Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London.

And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on.

But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts.
Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London. And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on. But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts. justjustice

2:46am Fri 20 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

justjustice wrote:
Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London.

And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on.

But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts.
Aren't Bergman the contractors with wastefied being the owners ? All this, as the last nine years have proven, is mere supposition. :/
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London. And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on. But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts.[/p][/quote]Aren't Bergman the contractors with wastefied being the owners ? All this, as the last nine years have proven, is mere supposition. :/ RuggerTyke

2:48am Fri 20 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Can we have an Emperor Tailors store . Please, please, please, g'day, strewth, pwetty pwease ?.


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Can we have an Emperor Tailors store . Please, please, please, g'day, strewth, pwetty pwease ?. :/// RuggerTyke

8:07am Fri 20 Dec 13

Bantamzen says...

RuggerTyke wrote:
justjustice wrote:
Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London.

And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on.

But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts.
Aren't Bergman the contractors with wastefied being the owners ? All this, as the last nine years have proven, is mere supposition. :/
No, Meyer Bergman are the owners & Westfield the contractors. MB have attracted investment in the region of £200M-£260M for the project, they phrase from above being:

"The Australian developer has also completed the sale of its interest to retail real estate investment manager Meyer Bergman, which has drawn international investment from Canada. "

So Westfield are now contracted to build the site, and doubtless MB will have penalty clauses built in (unlike any previous arrangement) so if they slip they lose money. Once the site is built, Westfield will manage the centre on MB's behalf. So it is in the interest of both companies that the project goes ahead sooner rather than later.
[quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London. And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on. But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts.[/p][/quote]Aren't Bergman the contractors with wastefied being the owners ? All this, as the last nine years have proven, is mere supposition. :/[/p][/quote]No, Meyer Bergman are the owners & Westfield the contractors. MB have attracted investment in the region of £200M-£260M for the project, they phrase from above being: "The Australian developer has also completed the sale of its interest to retail real estate investment manager Meyer Bergman, which has drawn international investment from Canada. " So Westfield are now contracted to build the site, and doubtless MB will have penalty clauses built in (unlike any previous arrangement) so if they slip they lose money. Once the site is built, Westfield will manage the centre on MB's behalf. So it is in the interest of both companies that the project goes ahead sooner rather than later. Bantamzen

10:08am Fri 20 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

schroeder wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote:
I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.
Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this.
Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted?
Yes, Broadway Bradford in the 1960s
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.[/p][/quote]Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this. Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted?[/p][/quote]Yes, Broadway Bradford in the 1960s Prisoner Cell Block A

11:36am Fri 20 Dec 13

Avro says...

ThIs project is NOT 'more than 50% let' in terms of tenant number!

Of a total of 70 tenants, 12 signed tenants equates to 17.1% let, then if you take into account the additional 4/5 units allocated to restaurants/cafes, the % drops to around 16% let.

The reality is that this project is not even quarter let in terms of tenant number, and is exactly why Westfield choose to highlight floorspace let as a percentage, saying 'more than 50% let', which does not reflect the reality of the percentage of tenants signed which is 17.1%.
ThIs project is NOT 'more than 50% let' in terms of tenant number! Of a total of 70 tenants, 12 signed tenants equates to 17.1% let, then if you take into account the additional 4/5 units allocated to restaurants/cafes, the % drops to around 16% let. The reality is that this project is not even quarter let in terms of tenant number, and is exactly why Westfield choose to highlight floorspace let as a percentage, saying 'more than 50% let', which does not reflect the reality of the percentage of tenants signed which is 17.1%. Avro

12:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Avro wrote:
ThIs project is NOT 'more than 50% let' in terms of tenant number!

Of a total of 70 tenants, 12 signed tenants equates to 17.1% let, then if you take into account the additional 4/5 units allocated to restaurants/cafes, the % drops to around 16% let.

The reality is that this project is not even quarter let in terms of tenant number, and is exactly why Westfield choose to highlight floorspace let as a percentage, saying 'more than 50% let', which does not reflect the reality of the percentage of tenants signed which is 17.1%.
Smoke and mirrors disillusion the brain.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: ThIs project is NOT 'more than 50% let' in terms of tenant number! Of a total of 70 tenants, 12 signed tenants equates to 17.1% let, then if you take into account the additional 4/5 units allocated to restaurants/cafes, the % drops to around 16% let. The reality is that this project is not even quarter let in terms of tenant number, and is exactly why Westfield choose to highlight floorspace let as a percentage, saying 'more than 50% let', which does not reflect the reality of the percentage of tenants signed which is 17.1%.[/p][/quote]Smoke and mirrors disillusion the brain. RuggerTyke

12:11pm Fri 20 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Bantamzen wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
justjustice wrote:
Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London.

And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on.

But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts.
Aren't Bergman the contractors with wastefied being the owners ? All this, as the last nine years have proven, is mere supposition. :/
No, Meyer Bergman are the owners & Westfield the contractors. MB have attracted investment in the region of £200M-£260M for the project, they phrase from above being:

"The Australian developer has also completed the sale of its interest to retail real estate investment manager Meyer Bergman, which has drawn international investment from Canada. "

So Westfield are now contracted to build the site, and doubtless MB will have penalty clauses built in (unlike any previous arrangement) so if they slip they lose money. Once the site is built, Westfield will manage the centre on MB's behalf. So it is in the interest of both companies that the project goes ahead sooner rather than later.
Not if they're sister companies as Bradford Council failed to pen the most important one nine years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Bantamzen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: Great to see that Westfield is concentrating it's efforts into London. And expansion for Westfield London, and a new one in Croyden, not forgetting the Stratford one which was built during the recession but only because the Olympics were on. But then again Westfield no longer own the Bradford site, they are just the builders and have no say in the matter anymore, all they are waiting for is the go ahead from the new owners. Anything they now claim is cannot be taken as the full facts.[/p][/quote]Aren't Bergman the contractors with wastefied being the owners ? All this, as the last nine years have proven, is mere supposition. :/[/p][/quote]No, Meyer Bergman are the owners & Westfield the contractors. MB have attracted investment in the region of £200M-£260M for the project, they phrase from above being: "The Australian developer has also completed the sale of its interest to retail real estate investment manager Meyer Bergman, which has drawn international investment from Canada. " So Westfield are now contracted to build the site, and doubtless MB will have penalty clauses built in (unlike any previous arrangement) so if they slip they lose money. Once the site is built, Westfield will manage the centre on MB's behalf. So it is in the interest of both companies that the project goes ahead sooner rather than later.[/p][/quote]Not if they're sister companies as Bradford Council failed to pen the most important one nine years ago. RuggerTyke

2:06pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Spanishbob19 says...

RuggerTyke wrote:
Spanishbob19 wrote:
Ffs. Don't build it everyone moans, build it everyone moans. One common denominator here, people of Bradford like to moan. It will take a couple of years to build, but I for one will be happy when construction machinery moves on site.
Bradford's been metaphorically raped for nigh on ten years.

Westfield have destroyed Bradford. Why do we want them here ?.

I suppose the Germans should have rebuilt their WWII wreckage and sponsored them Luftwaffe.
Absolutely, tell them to go away, leave the hole in the ground for another 10 years, at least it will give you something to moan about.

Get the thing built, start the regeneration if the city and let's have some positivity.
[quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: Ffs. Don't build it everyone moans, build it everyone moans. One common denominator here, people of Bradford like to moan. It will take a couple of years to build, but I for one will be happy when construction machinery moves on site.[/p][/quote]Bradford's been metaphorically raped for nigh on ten years. Westfield have destroyed Bradford. Why do we want them here ?. I suppose the Germans should have rebuilt their WWII wreckage and sponsored them Luftwaffe.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, tell them to go away, leave the hole in the ground for another 10 years, at least it will give you something to moan about. Get the thing built, start the regeneration if the city and let's have some positivity. Spanishbob19

2:13pm Fri 20 Dec 13

basil fawlty says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
schroeder wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote: I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.
Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this. Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted?
Yes, Broadway Bradford in the 1960s
Broadway wasn't a shopping centre as such and who exactly regretted it? It was a redevelopment scheme in the city centre that served Bradford well until demolished for the Westfield scheme. Okay teh area lacked overall roof over, but that is mainly what modern shopping centres are now providing and what Westfield Broadway will provide.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.[/p][/quote]Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this. Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted?[/p][/quote]Yes, Broadway Bradford in the 1960s[/p][/quote]Broadway wasn't a shopping centre as such and who exactly regretted it? It was a redevelopment scheme in the city centre that served Bradford well until demolished for the Westfield scheme. Okay teh area lacked overall roof over, but that is mainly what modern shopping centres are now providing and what Westfield Broadway will provide. basil fawlty

2:17pm Fri 20 Dec 13

basil fawlty says...

Avro wrote:
ThIs project is NOT 'more than 50% let' in terms of tenant number! Of a total of 70 tenants, 12 signed tenants equates to 17.1% let, then if you take into account the additional 4/5 units allocated to restaurants/cafes, the % drops to around 16% let. The reality is that this project is not even quarter let in terms of tenant number, and is exactly why Westfield choose to highlight floorspace let as a percentage, saying 'more than 50% let', which does not reflect the reality of the percentage of tenants signed which is 17.1%.
Talk about nit picking! The cheme is going ahead so rejoice! What exactly is the point in moaning now? The scheme will turn Bradford's fortunes around.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: ThIs project is NOT 'more than 50% let' in terms of tenant number! Of a total of 70 tenants, 12 signed tenants equates to 17.1% let, then if you take into account the additional 4/5 units allocated to restaurants/cafes, the % drops to around 16% let. The reality is that this project is not even quarter let in terms of tenant number, and is exactly why Westfield choose to highlight floorspace let as a percentage, saying 'more than 50% let', which does not reflect the reality of the percentage of tenants signed which is 17.1%.[/p][/quote]Talk about nit picking! The cheme is going ahead so rejoice! What exactly is the point in moaning now? The scheme will turn Bradford's fortunes around. basil fawlty

2:30pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Tinybantam says...

If and when this is ever built you can probably guarantee that five years after it opens it will be filled with illegal bazaars.
If and when this is ever built you can probably guarantee that five years after it opens it will be filled with illegal bazaars. Tinybantam

8:04pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jjbabs19 says...

Can anybody blame the Bradfordians for a lack of interest and the dispondancy. I'm normally a very positive person. The Westfield site, will have to come upto and above the mark. Below par, then I'm no longer interested. What is there to get excited about, when we've been let down so much, so often and it's still not started let alone finished. This site was ear marked as far back as 1990 -1 while I was working at W.H.S. Yet , there's still nothing accomplished. For a Victorian City, like Bradford. I hope if nothing else, it compliments our Victorian heritage.
Can anybody blame the Bradfordians for a lack of interest and the dispondancy. I'm normally a very positive person. The Westfield site, will have to come upto and above the mark. Below par, then I'm no longer interested. What is there to get excited about, when we've been let down so much, so often and it's still not started let alone finished. This site was ear marked as far back as 1990 -1 while I was working at W.H.S. Yet , there's still nothing accomplished. For a Victorian City, like Bradford. I hope if nothing else, it compliments our Victorian heritage. jjbabs19

4:26pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

Since the 1960's our council has made one catastrophic decision after another, leaving us where are now. This is only one more, what's to worry about?

Avro is talking sense, quoting facts and figures and being basically told to "shut up" by the ostriches who cannot see the wood for the trees. There is no way this would normally be being built, just one store let to a retailer we don't already have and nowhere near enough tenats signed up to trigger a buile.

Why is it a goer now, right at the very last minute? Well it's not a goer, there is a massive gamble going on. It's being built and hoping to attract tenants, whereas every other mall in the UK is/was built to supply latent demand. Bloody hell, I hope this gamble comes off. A dead centre (guaranteed) and a half empty mall does not bear thinking about.

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
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Since the 1960's our council has made one catastrophic decision after another, leaving us where are now. This is only one more, what's to worry about? Avro is talking sense, quoting facts and figures and being basically told to "shut up" by the ostriches who cannot see the wood for the trees. There is no way this would normally be being built, just one store let to a retailer we don't already have and nowhere near enough tenats signed up to trigger a buile. Why is it a goer now, right at the very last minute? Well it's not a goer, there is a massive gamble going on. It's being built and hoping to attract tenants, whereas every other mall in the UK is/was built to supply latent demand. Bloody hell, I hope this gamble comes off. A dead centre (guaranteed) and a half empty mall does not bear thinking about. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/9 716414.Decision_awai ted_on___35m_Bradfor d_rate_relief_scheme / Pondlover

5:54pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Spanishbob19 says...

Pondlover wrote:
Since the 1960's our council has made one catastrophic decision after another, leaving us where are now. This is only one more, what's to worry about?

Avro is talking sense, quoting facts and figures and being basically told to "shut up" by the ostriches who cannot see the wood for the trees. There is no way this would normally be being built, just one store let to a retailer we don't already have and nowhere near enough tenats signed up to trigger a buile.

Why is it a goer now, right at the very last minute? Well it's not a goer, there is a massive gamble going on. It's being built and hoping to attract tenants, whereas every other mall in the UK is/was built to supply latent demand. Bloody hell, I hope this gamble comes off. A dead centre (guaranteed) and a half empty mall does not bear thinking about.

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/local/localbrad/9

716414.Decision_awai

ted_on___35m_Bradfor

d_rate_relief_scheme

/
But surely the other option is to do nothing. I guess it's a gamble, but then you have to take gambles occasionally. If it isn't built until it's let then it could be years and those already committed could pull the plug.

Stores could be let over the 2 year build period as , hopefully, the economic situation improves.

As I said other option is to do nothing and put up with whingers week after week.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: Since the 1960's our council has made one catastrophic decision after another, leaving us where are now. This is only one more, what's to worry about? Avro is talking sense, quoting facts and figures and being basically told to "shut up" by the ostriches who cannot see the wood for the trees. There is no way this would normally be being built, just one store let to a retailer we don't already have and nowhere near enough tenats signed up to trigger a buile. Why is it a goer now, right at the very last minute? Well it's not a goer, there is a massive gamble going on. It's being built and hoping to attract tenants, whereas every other mall in the UK is/was built to supply latent demand. Bloody hell, I hope this gamble comes off. A dead centre (guaranteed) and a half empty mall does not bear thinking about. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/9 716414.Decision_awai ted_on___35m_Bradfor d_rate_relief_scheme /[/p][/quote]But surely the other option is to do nothing. I guess it's a gamble, but then you have to take gambles occasionally. If it isn't built until it's let then it could be years and those already committed could pull the plug. Stores could be let over the 2 year build period as , hopefully, the economic situation improves. As I said other option is to do nothing and put up with whingers week after week. Spanishbob19

5:03pm Mon 23 Dec 13

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10:55am Tue 24 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

basil fawlty wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
schroeder wrote:
sorrow&anger wrote: I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.
Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this. Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted?
Yes, Broadway Bradford in the 1960s
Broadway wasn't a shopping centre as such and who exactly regretted it? It was a redevelopment scheme in the city centre that served Bradford well until demolished for the Westfield scheme. Okay teh area lacked overall roof over, but that is mainly what modern shopping centres are now providing and what Westfield Broadway will provide.
It replaced many fine buildings which could have been regenerated then and not demolished now, leaving a much more cohesive shopping area with already covered arcades. The concrete monstrosity only happened ude to brown envelopes and backhanders.

History repeating itself???
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: I'm sure it will be built, eventually, and we'll all live to regret it. Personally I would rather have seen the hole turned into a park with a stream flowing through it and the economic regeneration concentrated on our existing shops which are now going to close. Westfield is just going to create more derliction.[/p][/quote]Regret it how? The one thing most people agree with is Bradford needs a better range of shops. Westfield will provide this. Has there ever been shopping centre built in a city which has been regretted?[/p][/quote]Yes, Broadway Bradford in the 1960s[/p][/quote]Broadway wasn't a shopping centre as such and who exactly regretted it? It was a redevelopment scheme in the city centre that served Bradford well until demolished for the Westfield scheme. Okay teh area lacked overall roof over, but that is mainly what modern shopping centres are now providing and what Westfield Broadway will provide.[/p][/quote]It replaced many fine buildings which could have been regenerated then and not demolished now, leaving a much more cohesive shopping area with already covered arcades. The concrete monstrosity only happened ude to brown envelopes and backhanders. History repeating itself??? Prisoner Cell Block A

5:16pm Tue 24 Dec 13

notvery funny says...

To be fair the only people who have lost out over the last 14 years are the people who have lost there jobs in the city centre and all the people who would have been employed in the new jobs created by Westfield.

Can you blame Westfield for this …. Am unsure . There bottom line is hard cash and profit.

The Bradford Councillors and the Bradford Council were clearly shown to be totally out of there depth whilst dealing with this money making organisation.

You also have to look at the T&A role in this….

Yes Bradford folk moan and they have plenty to moan about.

We (Bradford ) have clearly set the bar to low for Bradford Councillors in some cases no bar at all.
I believe Bradford Councillors firstly should have a dress code, (they are representing are fair city) secondly, too pass a competent test and finally have a clear moral investment in our city.
To be fair the only people who have lost out over the last 14 years are the people who have lost there jobs in the city centre and all the people who would have been employed in the new jobs created by Westfield. Can you blame Westfield for this …. Am unsure . There bottom line is hard cash and profit. The Bradford Councillors and the Bradford Council were clearly shown to be totally out of there depth whilst dealing with this money making organisation. You also have to look at the T&A role in this…. Yes Bradford folk moan and they have plenty to moan about. We (Bradford ) have clearly set the bar to low for Bradford Councillors in some cases no bar at all. I believe Bradford Councillors firstly should have a dress code, (they are representing are fair city) secondly, too pass a competent test and finally have a clear moral investment in our city. notvery funny

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