Council sickness bill rises by £500,000 in a year

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Coun David Green Coun David Green

Workers taking time off sick is costing Bradford Council almost £6.5 million a year, it has been revealed.

Although short-term sickness absence dropped in 2012/13, the number of people being signed off long-term sick increased to 56.05 per cent of total absentees – up from 52.91 per cent in 2010/11 and put nearly £500,000 more on the bill.

Coun Glen Miller, leader of the opposition Conservative group at the Council, said the increase in long-term absentees had seen sick pay increase from £5,998,475 in 2011/12 to £6,427,192 in the last financial year.

“This is a disaster at a time when the Council is looking to reduce costs and protect front line services,” said Coun Miller. “We have seen five small libraries closed to save £70,000 per year while spending £6.5m on sickness, with this having increased by enough to protect the libraries, the pools that were closed and more.

“The total increase in long-term sickness suggests that we desperately need to look at whether the Council is doing enough to support employees to stay at work by better managing stress and similar illnesses.”

But Council leader Coun David Green said they were addressing the issue.

“We have been looking at pressures on staff, and how they are dealing with that, for the last 18 months,” he said. “It is too early to say if what we are doing is bearing fruit. Some of these measures will take longer to bear fruit.”

Coun Green conceded there had been an increase in sick pay and the number of long-term absences.

He said: “Everyone agrees that the lower that we can decrease the sickness levels of staff, the better it is for individuals and the organisation.

“The current cost of sickness in the Council is lower that the cost that we inherited in 2010 by about £350,000.

“We have reduced the total figure of sickness cost. It is a shame that Coun Miller was not more concerned with these figures when his party was in control. If he had bothered to read the publicly-available papers that have gone to the Council executive and scrutiny, he would have recognised that the Council is doing what he is asking for.”

Coun Green said the long-term sickness absence rate had grown by three per cent, adding: “Some of these are really unfortunate issues for people concerned – people who get seriously debilitating illnesses.”

Liberal Democrat group leader, Councillor Jeanette Sunderland, described the Council’s sickness policy as “generous”.

On the increased cost of sickness absence, she said: “We need to do all we can to ensure that people are not taking advantage, but at the same time making sure they are not being put under too much pressure.”

In October, the Council’s chief executive Tony Reeves said the number of sick days taken by Council workers must be cut if the authority is to be financially secure.

Sickness rates among Council employees had been falling each year since 2005, but rose slightly in the past year, to an average of 10.44 days per employee.

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6:51am Tue 10 Dec 13

Albion. says...

I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.
I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels. Albion.

7:47am Tue 10 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work. Thee Voice of Reason

7:49am Tue 10 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

Albion. wrote:
I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.
Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.[/p][/quote]Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis. thatsnotmyname

7:57am Tue 10 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

oh look councillors bickering and calling each other.
they won't go sick, they do sod all else!
gypsy green says tories were worst, not a competition just your expected duty!
oh look councillors bickering and calling each other. they won't go sick, they do sod all else! gypsy green says tories were worst, not a competition just your expected duty! tinytoonster

8:03am Tue 10 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
The article states that the cost is mostly due to long term sickness.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]The article states that the cost is mostly due to long term sickness. thatsnotmyname

8:08am Tue 10 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
The article states that the cost is mostly due to long term sickness.
The devil is in the detail. Over £3m is short term sick so the point stands.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]The article states that the cost is mostly due to long term sickness.[/p][/quote]The devil is in the detail. Over £3m is short term sick so the point stands. Thee Voice of Reason

8:21am Tue 10 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Albion. wrote:
I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.
Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis.
You want to open your eyes a little more next time you go into a retail shop. Some of the abuse some get on checkouts or in the isles for no more than £6.50 an hour is shameful.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.[/p][/quote]Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis.[/p][/quote]You want to open your eyes a little more next time you go into a retail shop. Some of the abuse some get on checkouts or in the isles for no more than £6.50 an hour is shameful. Thee Voice of Reason

8:22am Tue 10 Dec 13

OLDLAD says...

Anyone on long term sick should only be given statutory sick after a certain amount of weeks, pay as an incentive to get them back to work. You could spend years on sick with no intention of returning so you just sit at home and get paid. I know someone on longterm sick, just says to doctor feel depressed gets tablets and signed off. Doesnt take tablets just relaxes at home on full pay.
Anyone on long term sick should only be given statutory sick after a certain amount of weeks, pay as an incentive to get them back to work. You could spend years on sick with no intention of returning so you just sit at home and get paid. I know someone on longterm sick, just says to doctor feel depressed gets tablets and signed off. Doesnt take tablets just relaxes at home on full pay. OLDLAD

8:25am Tue 10 Dec 13

What's my name says...

Long term and persistent sickness why don't they pay them off and give the job to some one who wants to work.
Long term and persistent sickness why don't they pay them off and give the job to some one who wants to work. What's my name

8:59am Tue 10 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Albion. wrote:
I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.
Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis.
Conversely, you could compare these service providing council workers with the people working in private businesses such as factory work or building where a relatively low level of sickness physically stops them from being able to work or the threat of physical injury is much higher.

Now the council likes to outsource or subcontract out it's more physical work, it's long term sickness levels should be falling,
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.[/p][/quote]Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis.[/p][/quote]Conversely, you could compare these service providing council workers with the people working in private businesses such as factory work or building where a relatively low level of sickness physically stops them from being able to work or the threat of physical injury is much higher. Now the council likes to outsource or subcontract out it's more physical work, it's long term sickness levels should be falling, angry bradfordian

9:02am Tue 10 Dec 13

Steve30d says...

Are several councilors still doing that trick of not turning up so that meetings aren't quorate and so votes can't be made/forced. How much does that cost Bradford?
Are several councilors still doing that trick of not turning up so that meetings aren't quorate and so votes can't be made/forced. How much does that cost Bradford? Steve30d

10:35am Tue 10 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

You'd almost think the T&A had a hidden agenda with the posts they allow comments on wouldn't you?
People not wanting to work,
Everyone pulling a sicky ,
Rampaging stallion of a Shipley MP moans about his own sides softness on work-shy criminals. :D
You'd almost think the T&A had a hidden agenda with the posts they allow comments on wouldn't you? People not wanting to work, Everyone pulling a sicky , Rampaging stallion of a Shipley MP moans about his own sides softness on work-shy criminals. :D Tonybaloni

10:43am Tue 10 Dec 13

Olivermac says...

It is very simple to sort the sickness level out both long term and short term long term reduce the the max sickness pay to 1 month per year short term 1week per year if the unions get involved give notice that all contracts will be changed from the start of 2014, we will all get the benefit with no increases to our council tax if it is left in this state the council will be putting the burden back on the tax payers to fund these outrageous sickness levels .
It is very simple to sort the sickness level out both long term and short term long term reduce the the max sickness pay to 1 month per year short term 1week per year if the unions get involved give notice that all contracts will be changed from the start of 2014, we will all get the benefit with no increases to our council tax if it is left in this state the council will be putting the burden back on the tax payers to fund these outrageous sickness levels . Olivermac

10:46am Tue 10 Dec 13

SmudgeXVI says...

Can the doctors diagnose when you are sick? No! they just give them out like conffeite. It's just the same when they come from overseas free this that and the other, because they don't want the hassle.
Can the doctors diagnose when you are sick? No! they just give them out like conffeite. It's just the same when they come from overseas free this that and the other, because they don't want the hassle. SmudgeXVI

11:08am Tue 10 Dec 13

MeccaBingo1 says...

Cut sick pay = More people turn up for work.

I for one think its a public sector issue. Most private companies could and would not stand for it because it would simply put them out of businees. But the Council dont have to worry about silly things like this, because they just increase COUNCIL TAX. GET A GRIP MR GREEN AND Co. AS PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE BECOMING SICK OF HEARING ABOUT HOW SLACK YOU ARE WITH OUR HARD EARNED MONEY!!!!
Cut sick pay = More people turn up for work. I for one think its a public sector issue. Most private companies could and would not stand for it because it would simply put them out of businees. But the Council dont have to worry about silly things like this, because they just increase COUNCIL TAX. GET A GRIP MR GREEN AND Co. AS PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE BECOMING SICK OF HEARING ABOUT HOW SLACK YOU ARE WITH OUR HARD EARNED MONEY!!!! MeccaBingo1

11:27am Tue 10 Dec 13

Old Peculiar says...

Councillor Sunderland says that the sickness policy is generous ?!?!?! Generous to who - not me, the poor sap who pays his council taxes. These stats are horrendous, I recall not so long ago, an article in the T&A claiming the Council were planning to cut the sickness levels - well that didn't work did it ?? Once again, private sector footing the bill for public sector failures.
Change the policy on payment !!! and I'm pretty sure some of these SICK people will make miraculous recoveries. Or maybe they'll just call another strike........
Councillor Sunderland says that the sickness policy is generous ?!?!?! Generous to who - not me, the poor sap who pays his council taxes. These stats are horrendous, I recall not so long ago, an article in the T&A claiming the Council were planning to cut the sickness levels - well that didn't work did it ?? Once again, private sector footing the bill for public sector failures. Change the policy on payment !!! and I'm pretty sure some of these SICK people will make miraculous recoveries. Or maybe they'll just call another strike........ Old Peculiar

12:14pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

Tonybaloni wrote:
You'd almost think the T&A had a hidden agenda with the posts they allow comments on wouldn't you? People not wanting to work, Everyone pulling a sicky , Rampaging stallion of a Shipley MP moans about his own sides softness on work-shy criminals. :D
the T&A dont give a monkeys about anything but selling advertising. the more hits on their web site the easier to sell advertising. if they see over 100 comments on a story then you can made a safe bet that there will be a string of similar ones.
[quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: You'd almost think the T&A had a hidden agenda with the posts they allow comments on wouldn't you? People not wanting to work, Everyone pulling a sicky , Rampaging stallion of a Shipley MP moans about his own sides softness on work-shy criminals. :D[/p][/quote]the T&A dont give a monkeys about anything but selling advertising. the more hits on their web site the easier to sell advertising. if they see over 100 comments on a story then you can made a safe bet that there will be a string of similar ones. Victor Clayton

12:16pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Cut sick pay = More people turn up for work. I for one think its a public sector issue. Most private companies could and would not stand for it because it would simply put them out of businees. But the Council dont have to worry about silly things like this, because they just increase COUNCIL TAX. GET A GRIP MR GREEN AND Co. AS PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE BECOMING SICK OF HEARING ABOUT HOW SLACK YOU ARE WITH OUR HARD EARNED MONEY!!!!
this is why nationalising industries doesnt work.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: Cut sick pay = More people turn up for work. I for one think its a public sector issue. Most private companies could and would not stand for it because it would simply put them out of businees. But the Council dont have to worry about silly things like this, because they just increase COUNCIL TAX. GET A GRIP MR GREEN AND Co. AS PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE BECOMING SICK OF HEARING ABOUT HOW SLACK YOU ARE WITH OUR HARD EARNED MONEY!!!![/p][/quote]this is why nationalising industries doesnt work. Victor Clayton

12:19pm Tue 10 Dec 13

gamonal says...

Sick pay should be the same as a lot of the private sector has gone say 8 days in a rolling year then SSP. This cuts sick time dramatically it does not give 8 days extra holiday in 1 year. Why should as I as rate payer have to subsidise staff to have a job with my council tax. Once afgain weak councillors who wont get a grip of the situation
Sick pay should be the same as a lot of the private sector has gone say 8 days in a rolling year then SSP. This cuts sick time dramatically it does not give 8 days extra holiday in 1 year. Why should as I as rate payer have to subsidise staff to have a job with my council tax. Once afgain weak councillors who wont get a grip of the situation gamonal

12:46pm Tue 10 Dec 13

spearmint wino says...

Do want happened to us, they just removed sick pay altogether!
Do want happened to us, they just removed sick pay altogether! spearmint wino

1:06pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Stevie-C says...

With a lot of council workers, they see colleagues having a day off sick and think "oh, i'm having a day off too, then" and before you know it they are all trying to keep up with one-another. As for long-term sickness, apparently a lot of contracts are now on rolling one-year contracts, so in light of this latest news why can't the new contracts simply state any more than 3 consecutive sick day and statutory pay kicks in?
With a lot of council workers, they see colleagues having a day off sick and think "oh, i'm having a day off too, then" and before you know it they are all trying to keep up with one-another. As for long-term sickness, apparently a lot of contracts are now on rolling one-year contracts, so in light of this latest news why can't the new contracts simply state any more than 3 consecutive sick day and statutory pay kicks in? Stevie-C

1:09pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Bull110 says...

What's my name wrote:
Long term and persistent sickness why don't they pay them off and give the job to some one who wants to work.
Not allowed too!!

In private industry you would be onto SSP and encouraged to use the door but there are too many hoops to go through in the State sector so easier to leave them on full pay.
[quote][p][bold]What's my name[/bold] wrote: Long term and persistent sickness why don't they pay them off and give the job to some one who wants to work.[/p][/quote]Not allowed too!! In private industry you would be onto SSP and encouraged to use the door but there are too many hoops to go through in the State sector so easier to leave them on full pay. Bull110

1:27pm Tue 10 Dec 13

mattshaw says...

Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum!
Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum! mattshaw

1:29pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Not so simple says...

Would like to see a further breakdown of the figures, for example:

How many sick days are taken by managers
How many holidays and lieu days are taken by management

How many sick days are taken by directors and dept heads
How many holidays are taken by dept heads plus days in lieu

How many sick daysS to the front line staff take


You will be finding that the management take more time off and get told off less then the lower workers. The frontline staff are used as scapegoats in all instances.

Typical
Would like to see a further breakdown of the figures, for example: How many sick days are taken by managers How many holidays and lieu days are taken by management How many sick days are taken by directors and dept heads How many holidays are taken by dept heads plus days in lieu How many sick daysS to the front line staff take You will be finding that the management take more time off and get told off less then the lower workers. The frontline staff are used as scapegoats in all instances. Typical Not so simple

1:33pm Tue 10 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

Over paid and no work done plus plenty of SICKYz
Over paid and no work done plus plenty of SICKYz bd7 helper

1:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

mattshaw wrote:
Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum!
And probably infected the rest of the workforce. We're supposed to be impressed?
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum![/p][/quote]And probably infected the rest of the workforce. We're supposed to be impressed? allinittogether

1:54pm Tue 10 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

spearmint wino wrote:
Do want happened to us, they just removed sick pay altogether!
So you got shafted by a disgraceful employer so you think everyone should?
[quote][p][bold]spearmint wino[/bold] wrote: Do want happened to us, they just removed sick pay altogether![/p][/quote]So you got shafted by a disgraceful employer so you think everyone should? allinittogether

2:24pm Tue 10 Dec 13

sorrow&anger says...

Ten and a half days per employee! Admittedly skewed by the long term sick, but it's still an extra two weeks off, or about 4% of the working year. In 2011 the national average was 1.8% on a sharply falling trend. Another league table, and Bradford's at the bottom.

Sickness on this scale is indicative, not of an abnormally unhealthy workforce, but of a deeper malaise and organisational discontent. Put simply, management is lacking in leadership and motivational ability. The responsibility for this lies with our stupendously overpaid Chief Executive, and Cllr. Green for not firing him.
Ten and a half days per employee! Admittedly skewed by the long term sick, but it's still an extra two weeks off, or about 4% of the working year. In 2011 the national average was 1.8% on a sharply falling trend. Another league table, and Bradford's at the bottom. Sickness on this scale is indicative, not of an abnormally unhealthy workforce, but of a deeper malaise and organisational discontent. Put simply, management is lacking in leadership and motivational ability. The responsibility for this lies with our stupendously overpaid Chief Executive, and Cllr. Green for not firing him. sorrow&anger

2:34pm Tue 10 Dec 13

scottie dog says...

mattshaw wrote:
Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum!
If you did have a sickness and diarrhoea bug then the potential of passing it on to your colleagues was substantial as the potential for people touching or using anything you may have contaminated is great ,that's why public health officials publicise and encourage people to stay at home until the infection has passed . T he current outbreak of winter vomiting at the B R I is possibly due to some one bringing it in from outside. But I digress can you imagine in the council offices someone coming to work with this complaint it would fly round the place like no ones business the same goes for colds and flu I believe the current high levels of sickness may in part be due to staff coming in work unfit due to the stress of being in the firing line with the council cutting back, thus infecting colleagues.
[quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum![/p][/quote]If you did have a sickness and diarrhoea bug then the potential of passing it on to your colleagues was substantial as the potential for people touching or using anything you may have contaminated is great ,that's why public health officials publicise and encourage people to stay at home until the infection has passed . T he current outbreak of winter vomiting at the B R I is possibly due to some one bringing it in from outside. But I digress can you imagine in the council offices someone coming to work with this complaint it would fly round the place like no ones business the same goes for colds and flu I believe the current high levels of sickness may in part be due to staff coming in work unfit due to the stress of being in the firing line with the council cutting back, thus infecting colleagues. scottie dog

3:00pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

scottie dog wrote:
mattshaw wrote:
Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum!
If you did have a sickness and diarrhoea bug then the potential of passing it on to your colleagues was substantial as the potential for people touching or using anything you may have contaminated is great ,that's why public health officials publicise and encourage people to stay at home until the infection has passed . T he current outbreak of winter vomiting at the B R I is possibly due to some one bringing it in from outside. But I digress can you imagine in the council offices someone coming to work with this complaint it would fly round the place like no ones business the same goes for colds and flu I believe the current high levels of sickness may in part be due to staff coming in work unfit due to the stress of being in the firing line with the council cutting back, thus infecting colleagues.
This is true. My wife has worked in the public sector all her life. The conditions used to be good but they have been eroded over the last 20 years.
Lets face it if the public sector worker misses a days work it could be life and death.
whereas the Private sector and you may not be able to supply some piece of junk that nobody really needs.
Not quite the same stress levels.
[quote][p][bold]scottie dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum![/p][/quote]If you did have a sickness and diarrhoea bug then the potential of passing it on to your colleagues was substantial as the potential for people touching or using anything you may have contaminated is great ,that's why public health officials publicise and encourage people to stay at home until the infection has passed . T he current outbreak of winter vomiting at the B R I is possibly due to some one bringing it in from outside. But I digress can you imagine in the council offices someone coming to work with this complaint it would fly round the place like no ones business the same goes for colds and flu I believe the current high levels of sickness may in part be due to staff coming in work unfit due to the stress of being in the firing line with the council cutting back, thus infecting colleagues.[/p][/quote]This is true. My wife has worked in the public sector all her life. The conditions used to be good but they have been eroded over the last 20 years. Lets face it if the public sector worker misses a days work it could be life and death. whereas the Private sector and you may not be able to supply some piece of junk that nobody really needs. Not quite the same stress levels. Tonybaloni

3:16pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

If no-one wants to employ people who take time off sick why are we spending £100 million pa assessing the sick to see if they can work? Illnesses fluctuate but I can tell you from experience when you go to the doctor and he signs you off for a month, then another, then another the employer starts to loose patience and then ends up adding to your problems.
If no-one wants to employ people who take time off sick why are we spending £100 million pa assessing the sick to see if they can work? Illnesses fluctuate but I can tell you from experience when you go to the doctor and he signs you off for a month, then another, then another the employer starts to loose patience and then ends up adding to your problems. RollandSmoke

3:29pm Tue 10 Dec 13

FitBackPhysiotherapy says...

This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key. FitBackPhysiotherapy

3:33pm Tue 10 Dec 13

stan68 says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Albion. wrote:
I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.
Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis.
no they dont have to deal with those people,but if there was an aspect of the job they didn't like they would have to get another job,not simply go on the sick for 12mths
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: I wonder how these figures would compare with those of a private business with similar staffing levels.[/p][/quote]Just had aquick look about and companies such as JCB, 02 hire roughly the same amount of people. No doubt they will have less sickness within there company but then they don't have to look after the sick, elderly, disruptive and challenging children or mentally ill people...or in fact deal with the people of Bradford on a day to day basis.[/p][/quote]no they dont have to deal with those people,but if there was an aspect of the job they didn't like they would have to get another job,not simply go on the sick for 12mths stan68

3:45pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
[quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why. RollandSmoke

3:54pm Tue 10 Dec 13

mattshaw says...

Tonybaloni wrote:
scottie dog wrote:
mattshaw wrote:
Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum!
If you did have a sickness and diarrhoea bug then the potential of passing it on to your colleagues was substantial as the potential for people touching or using anything you may have contaminated is great ,that's why public health officials publicise and encourage people to stay at home until the infection has passed . T he current outbreak of winter vomiting at the B R I is possibly due to some one bringing it in from outside. But I digress can you imagine in the council offices someone coming to work with this complaint it would fly round the place like no ones business the same goes for colds and flu I believe the current high levels of sickness may in part be due to staff coming in work unfit due to the stress of being in the firing line with the council cutting back, thus infecting colleagues.
This is true. My wife has worked in the public sector all her life. The conditions used to be good but they have been eroded over the last 20 years.
Lets face it if the public sector worker misses a days work it could be life and death.
whereas the Private sector and you may not be able to supply some piece of junk that nobody really needs.
Not quite the same stress levels.
This may be true but when it is a small business and you are depended on, and your job is at risk if you do not perform you don't really have much of a choice.
[quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottie dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mattshaw[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. I work for a small private company and worked all last week despite having a sickness and diohrea bug. That amount of wages spent could save our Media Museum![/p][/quote]If you did have a sickness and diarrhoea bug then the potential of passing it on to your colleagues was substantial as the potential for people touching or using anything you may have contaminated is great ,that's why public health officials publicise and encourage people to stay at home until the infection has passed . T he current outbreak of winter vomiting at the B R I is possibly due to some one bringing it in from outside. But I digress can you imagine in the council offices someone coming to work with this complaint it would fly round the place like no ones business the same goes for colds and flu I believe the current high levels of sickness may in part be due to staff coming in work unfit due to the stress of being in the firing line with the council cutting back, thus infecting colleagues.[/p][/quote]This is true. My wife has worked in the public sector all her life. The conditions used to be good but they have been eroded over the last 20 years. Lets face it if the public sector worker misses a days work it could be life and death. whereas the Private sector and you may not be able to supply some piece of junk that nobody really needs. Not quite the same stress levels.[/p][/quote]This may be true but when it is a small business and you are depended on, and your job is at risk if you do not perform you don't really have much of a choice. mattshaw

4:05pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

Council staff numbers fall, sickness levels increase.

Appears the wrong people are being shown the door..
Council staff numbers fall, sickness levels increase. Appears the wrong people are being shown the door.. Bacon Bantam

4:08pm Tue 10 Dec 13

FitBackPhysiotherapy says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in. FitBackPhysiotherapy

4:22pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
[quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down. alive and awake

4:24pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Spanishbob19 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then.

But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then. But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle. Spanishbob19

4:32pm Tue 10 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
Oi! Talking common sense and having empathy with the sick could make you unpopular on here!
[quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]Oi! Talking common sense and having empathy with the sick could make you unpopular on here! allinittogether

5:02pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Spanishbob19 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then.

But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.
[quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then. But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.[/p][/quote]Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this. Thee Voice of Reason

5:16pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Spanishbob19 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then.

But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.
Many companies employ through agencies to avoid paying sick pay altogether. It all depends on whether the employer sees the worker as a human being and thereby takes consideration of the fact that humans can be unreliable but still feels they are useful enough to retain through periods of unreliability or if they view them as a commodity and have no interest whatsoever in their health and well being.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then. But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.[/p][/quote]Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.[/p][/quote]Many companies employ through agencies to avoid paying sick pay altogether. It all depends on whether the employer sees the worker as a human being and thereby takes consideration of the fact that humans can be unreliable but still feels they are useful enough to retain through periods of unreliability or if they view them as a commodity and have no interest whatsoever in their health and well being. RollandSmoke

5:28pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance. Tonybaloni

5:35pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Spanishbob19 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Spanishbob19 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then.

But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.
But I guess you have to look at the percentage of the sickness against FTE, to compare against other companies.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then. But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.[/p][/quote]Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.[/p][/quote]But I guess you have to look at the percentage of the sickness against FTE, to compare against other companies. Spanishbob19

5:39pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

My son works for the biggest oil company in the world.
I can tell you now his conditions are far better than any public sector worker.
He has subsidized everything you can think of.
His starting salary as a junior was 40K+ after leaving uni he gets a full wage final salary pension + 5K a year in shares. He can retire at 50.
My wife who is a higher officer (Worked her way up) in a government job has worked there all her life. Gets only 1/80th per year working salary pension which she puts in 9% a year of salary. No subsidies of any kind. No perks. She can have up to 80 staff below her and comes out with 30K a year.
Somehow the Tory rhetoric is not adding up again.
My son works for the biggest oil company in the world. I can tell you now his conditions are far better than any public sector worker. He has subsidized everything you can think of. His starting salary as a junior was 40K+ after leaving uni he gets a full wage final salary pension + 5K a year in shares. He can retire at 50. My wife who is a higher officer (Worked her way up) in a government job has worked there all her life. Gets only 1/80th per year working salary pension which she puts in 9% a year of salary. No subsidies of any kind. No perks. She can have up to 80 staff below her and comes out with 30K a year. Somehow the Tory rhetoric is not adding up again. Tonybaloni

5:43pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
[quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win alive and awake

5:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen? RollandSmoke

6:14pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace. alive and awake

6:15pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Lol Classic mate just classic. :D
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Lol Classic mate just classic. :D Tonybaloni

6:33pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though. RollandSmoke

7:15pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop. alive and awake

7:26pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.[/p][/quote]And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack? RollandSmoke

7:41pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?
Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.[/p][/quote]And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?[/p][/quote]Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings. alive and awake

7:47pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface? RollandSmoke

8:47pm Tue 10 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
he was being sarcastic.
its amazing how you can keep going with the mention of looking at benefits.
he said stop non british benefits so why did you say all?
sounding like the lefties who call people racist for wanting to cut immigration.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]he was being sarcastic. its amazing how you can keep going with the mention of looking at benefits. he said stop non british benefits so why did you say all? sounding like the lefties who call people racist for wanting to cut immigration. tinytoonster

8:49pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
he was being sarcastic.
its amazing how you can keep going with the mention of looking at benefits.
he said stop non british benefits so why did you say all?
sounding like the lefties who call people racist for wanting to cut immigration.
No, only the racist ones who rap themselves in the Union Jack and make the rest of us ashamed to be British.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]he was being sarcastic. its amazing how you can keep going with the mention of looking at benefits. he said stop non british benefits so why did you say all? sounding like the lefties who call people racist for wanting to cut immigration.[/p][/quote]No, only the racist ones who rap themselves in the Union Jack and make the rest of us ashamed to be British. RollandSmoke

9:02pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards.

Anyone who works and is happy.
anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage
anyone who can see through the Unions
anyone who can see through the Labour Party
anyone who votes Conservative
anyone who receives a private pension
anyone who receives private medical care
many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards. Anyone who works and is happy. anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage anyone who can see through the Unions anyone who can see through the Labour Party anyone who votes Conservative anyone who receives a private pension anyone who receives private medical care many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you. alive and awake

9:05pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Big_Biscuit says...

Weak Management !!!!
Weak Management !!!! Big_Biscuit

9:15pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

Big_Biscuit wrote:
Weak Management !!!!
Most of it will be management, older, longer service, bigger payout, I've seen it all before.
[quote][p][bold]Big_Biscuit[/bold] wrote: Weak Management !!!![/p][/quote]Most of it will be management, older, longer service, bigger payout, I've seen it all before. alive and awake

9:19pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards.

Anyone who works and is happy.
anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage
anyone who can see through the Unions
anyone who can see through the Labour Party
anyone who votes Conservative
anyone who receives a private pension
anyone who receives private medical care
many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.
You know what? I probably qualify for a heck of a lot more support than I'm getting but I haven't applied. I'm not sure why this is, whether I've been made to feel ashamed for asking for the help that I'm entitled to or whether I just can't face to hassle of completing all the forms which even for a fairly intelligent bloke like myself are overly complicated and confusing. I receive no help other than a few extra pounds a week. Thankfully due to being virtually housebound I have managed to survive. I currently have a strange burning sensation in my head and the side of my face has gone numb. As I'm a clever bloke I know this may mean I'm having a stroke but don't worry, I wont be a burden on the system. I know I have nothing much to live for and I know that people don't really wish to pay for me to stay fit and healthy so with a bit of luck I'll be right and it will shuffle me off this mortal coil. I know this attitude may seem strange as I have family that care deeply for me but I don't want to be in this world. A world with no values, a world where I am attacked on a daily basis. Be proud Mr Tory scum. These are the values you uphold.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards. Anyone who works and is happy. anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage anyone who can see through the Unions anyone who can see through the Labour Party anyone who votes Conservative anyone who receives a private pension anyone who receives private medical care many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.[/p][/quote]You know what? I probably qualify for a heck of a lot more support than I'm getting but I haven't applied. I'm not sure why this is, whether I've been made to feel ashamed for asking for the help that I'm entitled to or whether I just can't face to hassle of completing all the forms which even for a fairly intelligent bloke like myself are overly complicated and confusing. I receive no help other than a few extra pounds a week. Thankfully due to being virtually housebound I have managed to survive. I currently have a strange burning sensation in my head and the side of my face has gone numb. As I'm a clever bloke I know this may mean I'm having a stroke but don't worry, I wont be a burden on the system. I know I have nothing much to live for and I know that people don't really wish to pay for me to stay fit and healthy so with a bit of luck I'll be right and it will shuffle me off this mortal coil. I know this attitude may seem strange as I have family that care deeply for me but I don't want to be in this world. A world with no values, a world where I am attacked on a daily basis. Be proud Mr Tory scum. These are the values you uphold. RollandSmoke

9:24pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?
Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.
I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up,
Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have.
I have more than 10000% my share already
Paper money is taking a nosedive.
Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough.
Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.[/p][/quote]And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?[/p][/quote]Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.[/p][/quote]I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up, Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have. I have more than 10000% my share already Paper money is taking a nosedive. Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough. Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink. Tonybaloni

9:32pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards.

Anyone who works and is happy.
anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage
anyone who can see through the Unions
anyone who can see through the Labour Party
anyone who votes Conservative
anyone who receives a private pension
anyone who receives private medical care
many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.
You know what? I probably qualify for a heck of a lot more support than I'm getting but I haven't applied. I'm not sure why this is, whether I've been made to feel ashamed for asking for the help that I'm entitled to or whether I just can't face to hassle of completing all the forms which even for a fairly intelligent bloke like myself are overly complicated and confusing. I receive no help other than a few extra pounds a week. Thankfully due to being virtually housebound I have managed to survive. I currently have a strange burning sensation in my head and the side of my face has gone numb. As I'm a clever bloke I know this may mean I'm having a stroke but don't worry, I wont be a burden on the system. I know I have nothing much to live for and I know that people don't really wish to pay for me to stay fit and healthy so with a bit of luck I'll be right and it will shuffle me off this mortal coil. I know this attitude may seem strange as I have family that care deeply for me but I don't want to be in this world. A world with no values, a world where I am attacked on a daily basis. Be proud Mr Tory scum. These are the values you uphold.
I'm sure you have good reason to be bitter and twisted given your unenviable predicament. I truly hope the pains and burning in your head are not a stroke,but a twisted attempt at you breaking into my stone heart (as you often describe it). If you think you are entitled to more benefits then you owe it to your family to seek them out. Your venom should be pointed in the direction of the many spongers, wasters, fraudsters, that are limiting the amount you might otherwise receive. But alas you will not try to see beyond your own view.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards. Anyone who works and is happy. anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage anyone who can see through the Unions anyone who can see through the Labour Party anyone who votes Conservative anyone who receives a private pension anyone who receives private medical care many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.[/p][/quote]You know what? I probably qualify for a heck of a lot more support than I'm getting but I haven't applied. I'm not sure why this is, whether I've been made to feel ashamed for asking for the help that I'm entitled to or whether I just can't face to hassle of completing all the forms which even for a fairly intelligent bloke like myself are overly complicated and confusing. I receive no help other than a few extra pounds a week. Thankfully due to being virtually housebound I have managed to survive. I currently have a strange burning sensation in my head and the side of my face has gone numb. As I'm a clever bloke I know this may mean I'm having a stroke but don't worry, I wont be a burden on the system. I know I have nothing much to live for and I know that people don't really wish to pay for me to stay fit and healthy so with a bit of luck I'll be right and it will shuffle me off this mortal coil. I know this attitude may seem strange as I have family that care deeply for me but I don't want to be in this world. A world with no values, a world where I am attacked on a daily basis. Be proud Mr Tory scum. These are the values you uphold.[/p][/quote]I'm sure you have good reason to be bitter and twisted given your unenviable predicament. I truly hope the pains and burning in your head are not a stroke,but a twisted attempt at you breaking into my stone heart (as you often describe it). If you think you are entitled to more benefits then you owe it to your family to seek them out. Your venom should be pointed in the direction of the many spongers, wasters, fraudsters, that are limiting the amount you might otherwise receive. But alas you will not try to see beyond your own view. alive and awake

9:36pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?
Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.
I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up,
Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have.
I have more than 10000% my share already
Paper money is taking a nosedive.
Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough.
Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.
My God I hope you got it at a good price and not retail price or you have lost 80% already
[quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.[/p][/quote]And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?[/p][/quote]Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.[/p][/quote]I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up, Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have. I have more than 10000% my share already Paper money is taking a nosedive. Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough. Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.[/p][/quote]My God I hope you got it at a good price and not retail price or you have lost 80% already alive and awake

9:55pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards.

Anyone who works and is happy.
anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage
anyone who can see through the Unions
anyone who can see through the Labour Party
anyone who votes Conservative
anyone who receives a private pension
anyone who receives private medical care
many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.
You know what? I probably qualify for a heck of a lot more support than I'm getting but I haven't applied. I'm not sure why this is, whether I've been made to feel ashamed for asking for the help that I'm entitled to or whether I just can't face to hassle of completing all the forms which even for a fairly intelligent bloke like myself are overly complicated and confusing. I receive no help other than a few extra pounds a week. Thankfully due to being virtually housebound I have managed to survive. I currently have a strange burning sensation in my head and the side of my face has gone numb. As I'm a clever bloke I know this may mean I'm having a stroke but don't worry, I wont be a burden on the system. I know I have nothing much to live for and I know that people don't really wish to pay for me to stay fit and healthy so with a bit of luck I'll be right and it will shuffle me off this mortal coil. I know this attitude may seem strange as I have family that care deeply for me but I don't want to be in this world. A world with no values, a world where I am attacked on a daily basis. Be proud Mr Tory scum. These are the values you uphold.
I'm sure you have good reason to be bitter and twisted given your unenviable predicament. I truly hope the pains and burning in your head are not a stroke,but a twisted attempt at you breaking into my stone heart (as you often describe it). If you think you are entitled to more benefits then you owe it to your family to seek them out. Your venom should be pointed in the direction of the many spongers, wasters, fraudsters, that are limiting the amount you might otherwise receive. But alas you will not try to see beyond your own view.
Time will tell if it is or not. It's been like this for about three days now. If it goes away I'll know it was probably something else. Non of the people you describe have been taking what little I had away from me or making me go through humiliating assessments with box tickers. Except of course the fraudsters but then they are supposedly running the country.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards. Anyone who works and is happy. anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage anyone who can see through the Unions anyone who can see through the Labour Party anyone who votes Conservative anyone who receives a private pension anyone who receives private medical care many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.[/p][/quote]You know what? I probably qualify for a heck of a lot more support than I'm getting but I haven't applied. I'm not sure why this is, whether I've been made to feel ashamed for asking for the help that I'm entitled to or whether I just can't face to hassle of completing all the forms which even for a fairly intelligent bloke like myself are overly complicated and confusing. I receive no help other than a few extra pounds a week. Thankfully due to being virtually housebound I have managed to survive. I currently have a strange burning sensation in my head and the side of my face has gone numb. As I'm a clever bloke I know this may mean I'm having a stroke but don't worry, I wont be a burden on the system. I know I have nothing much to live for and I know that people don't really wish to pay for me to stay fit and healthy so with a bit of luck I'll be right and it will shuffle me off this mortal coil. I know this attitude may seem strange as I have family that care deeply for me but I don't want to be in this world. A world with no values, a world where I am attacked on a daily basis. Be proud Mr Tory scum. These are the values you uphold.[/p][/quote]I'm sure you have good reason to be bitter and twisted given your unenviable predicament. I truly hope the pains and burning in your head are not a stroke,but a twisted attempt at you breaking into my stone heart (as you often describe it). If you think you are entitled to more benefits then you owe it to your family to seek them out. Your venom should be pointed in the direction of the many spongers, wasters, fraudsters, that are limiting the amount you might otherwise receive. But alas you will not try to see beyond your own view.[/p][/quote]Time will tell if it is or not. It's been like this for about three days now. If it goes away I'll know it was probably something else. Non of the people you describe have been taking what little I had away from me or making me go through humiliating assessments with box tickers. Except of course the fraudsters but then they are supposedly running the country. RollandSmoke

10:20pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

Time to take the unions on and sack most of the bone idle council shirkers.
Ineos hammered the unions at Grangemouth, this is the way forwards.
Time to take the unions on and sack most of the bone idle council shirkers. Ineos hammered the unions at Grangemouth, this is the way forwards. Alhaurinrhino

11:05pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no
Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes.
That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.
Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes. That's all you need to know, The rest is bull. Victor Clayton

6:41am Wed 11 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?
Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.
I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up,
Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have.
I have more than 10000% my share already
Paper money is taking a nosedive.
Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough.
Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.
My God I hope you got it at a good price and not retail price or you have lost 80% already
I never buy retail unless I have to, I'm a true Yorkshire man.
Anyone who suggests buying retail doesn't sound local to me.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.[/p][/quote]And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?[/p][/quote]Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.[/p][/quote]I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up, Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have. I have more than 10000% my share already Paper money is taking a nosedive. Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough. Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.[/p][/quote]My God I hope you got it at a good price and not retail price or you have lost 80% already[/p][/quote]I never buy retail unless I have to, I'm a true Yorkshire man. Anyone who suggests buying retail doesn't sound local to me. Tonybaloni

2:12pm Wed 11 Dec 13

sorrow&anger says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards.

Anyone who works and is happy.
anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage
anyone who can see through the Unions
anyone who can see through the Labour Party
anyone who votes Conservative
anyone who receives a private pension
anyone who receives private medical care
many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.
A noble set of prejudices. Better these than the ones peddled by the Daily Mail.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards. Anyone who works and is happy. anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage anyone who can see through the Unions anyone who can see through the Labour Party anyone who votes Conservative anyone who receives a private pension anyone who receives private medical care many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.[/p][/quote]A noble set of prejudices. Better these than the ones peddled by the Daily Mail. sorrow&anger

2:15pm Wed 11 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?
Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.
I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up,
Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have.
I have more than 10000% my share already
Paper money is taking a nosedive.
Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough.
Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.
You said you have bought a 12oz necklass, well unless it had been stolen and you bought it cheap, I suspect you have lost money already.
[quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.[/p][/quote]And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?[/p][/quote]Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.[/p][/quote]I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up, Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have. I have more than 10000% my share already Paper money is taking a nosedive. Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough. Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.[/p][/quote]You said you have bought a 12oz necklass, well unless it had been stolen and you bought it cheap, I suspect you have lost money already. alive and awake

2:25pm Wed 11 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards.

Anyone who works and is happy.
anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage
anyone who can see through the Unions
anyone who can see through the Labour Party
anyone who votes Conservative
anyone who receives a private pension
anyone who receives private medical care
many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.
A noble set of prejudices. Better these than the ones peddled by the Daily Mail.
you are well named sorrow & anger.

Why is it the Welfare state only ever makes the receiver, sorry and angy or bitter and twisted, or jealous. Why don't we give you nothing, at least most of us would feel better.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]No one is more prejudice than you! you clearly are prejudice towards. Anyone who works and is happy. anyone who works for what YOU think is a poor wage anyone who can see through the Unions anyone who can see through the Labour Party anyone who votes Conservative anyone who receives a private pension anyone who receives private medical care many more I am sure, but mainly anyone who receives more benefits than you.[/p][/quote]A noble set of prejudices. Better these than the ones peddled by the Daily Mail.[/p][/quote]you are well named sorrow & anger. Why is it the Welfare state only ever makes the receiver, sorry and angy or bitter and twisted, or jealous. Why don't we give you nothing, at least most of us would feel better. alive and awake

3:08pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer.
As for a master plan.
Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.
I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.
No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.
And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?
Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.
I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up,
Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have.
I have more than 10000% my share already
Paper money is taking a nosedive.
Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough.
Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.
You said you have bought a 12oz necklass, well unless it had been stolen and you bought it cheap, I suspect you have lost money already.
Quite the opposite actually but I will let you touch it if you promise to wash your hands first.
I do have a short Prince Albert going cheap if your interested. :D
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Stop being so bitter and twisted, or you will get an ulcer. As for a master plan. Live within your means, eliminate waste, stop all benefits of any kind to all non British. from that base we can then build a financially strong Country, with a happy, contented and satisfied, populace.[/p][/quote]I think you've got your words muddled there. I think what you meant was eliminate the means to live, lay waste and stop all benefits of any kind to all British or non. If this is the case then they have certainly got off to a great start. I can't see it resulting in a happy, contented and satisfied populace though.[/p][/quote]No I meant what I wrote. I think there will always be a need for some kind of benefit for some people ,but only genuine cases. The waste must stop.[/p][/quote]And who should decide who is genuine? Should we employ people qualified to make these decisions based on the individual circumstances or should it be done via trial by media where everyone jumps in with their sweeping generalisations and expressions of hate while knowing absolutely zilch about the circumstances of those they attack?[/p][/quote]Yes we should employ people to make that decision, and dishonesty will result in serious penalties. Tell me RS do you wear earings in your ears like our Council leader. Anybody know if the Rev Flowers had earings.[/p][/quote]I don't know about him but I've just bought a 12 Oz necklace (Genuine) because I know the economy is about to go t*ts up, Buy gold and silver now if you can afford it because with this lot in charge it's the only hope we have. I have more than 10000% my share already Paper money is taking a nosedive. Rev flowers actions were neither left wing nor Christian but if that makes you happy as you sink well fair enough. Don't forget keep voting Tory whilst those who know what is going on get ready for it. Oink Oink.[/p][/quote]You said you have bought a 12oz necklass, well unless it had been stolen and you bought it cheap, I suspect you have lost money already.[/p][/quote]Quite the opposite actually but I will let you touch it if you promise to wash your hands first. I do have a short Prince Albert going cheap if your interested. :D Tonybaloni

3:51pm Wed 11 Dec 13

scottie dog says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no
Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes.
That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.
Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes. That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.[/p][/quote]Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors. scottie dog

10:03pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

scottie dog wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no
Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes.
That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.
Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors.
Taking sick when you aren't is not a benefit. It's stealing. And if it was anyone but the rate payer you would not get away with it.
[quote][p][bold]scottie dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes. That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.[/p][/quote]Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors.[/p][/quote]Taking sick when you aren't is not a benefit. It's stealing. And if it was anyone but the rate payer you would not get away with it. Victor Clayton

1:39pm Fri 13 Dec 13

scottie dog says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
scottie dog wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no
Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes.
That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.
Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors.
Taking sick when you aren't is not a benefit. It's stealing. And if it was anyone but the rate payer you would not get away with it.
Yes some do try it on but there are safeguards and disciplinary measures in place to stop it, unfortunately in such a large organisation there will always be the few who slip the net, to try and punish the many for less than 1% of the workforce still reeks of the politics of envy.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottie dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes. That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.[/p][/quote]Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors.[/p][/quote]Taking sick when you aren't is not a benefit. It's stealing. And if it was anyone but the rate payer you would not get away with it.[/p][/quote]Yes some do try it on but there are safeguards and disciplinary measures in place to stop it, unfortunately in such a large organisation there will always be the few who slip the net, to try and punish the many for less than 1% of the workforce still reeks of the politics of envy. scottie dog

7:22pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

scottie dog wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
scottie dog wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no
Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes.
That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.
Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors.
Taking sick when you aren't is not a benefit. It's stealing. And if it was anyone but the rate payer you would not get away with it.
Yes some do try it on but there are safeguards and disciplinary measures in place to stop it, unfortunately in such a large organisation there will always be the few who slip the net, to try and punish the many for less than 1% of the workforce still reeks of the politics of envy.
Rubbish
[quote][p][bold]scottie dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scottie dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: Is working at the council harder than at a private company - no Do council workers have more sick than workers in private industry - yes. That's all you need to know, The rest is bull.[/p][/quote]Instead of moaning about what other people are getting and trying to bring down the benefits they have, why don't you fight for the same rights? the politics of envy have been pedalled by this government determined to bring everyone done to the lowest level except of course themselves and their benefactors.[/p][/quote]Taking sick when you aren't is not a benefit. It's stealing. And if it was anyone but the rate payer you would not get away with it.[/p][/quote]Yes some do try it on but there are safeguards and disciplinary measures in place to stop it, unfortunately in such a large organisation there will always be the few who slip the net, to try and punish the many for less than 1% of the workforce still reeks of the politics of envy.[/p][/quote]Rubbish Victor Clayton

4:00am Sat 14 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Spanishbob19 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then.

But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.
Many companies employ through agencies to avoid paying sick pay altogether. It all depends on whether the employer sees the worker as a human being and thereby takes consideration of the fact that humans can be unreliable but still feels they are useful enough to retain through periods of unreliability or if they view them as a commodity and have no interest whatsoever in their health and well being.
Rollie, I think you look at people as fellow brothers who follow some of your skewed views. As always when there is a way to abuse the system people will gravitate to it. And the council is an easy place to abuse things since if ever queried they raise the race, sexuality, religion etc banner to justify themselves throwing a sickie.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then. But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.[/p][/quote]Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.[/p][/quote]Many companies employ through agencies to avoid paying sick pay altogether. It all depends on whether the employer sees the worker as a human being and thereby takes consideration of the fact that humans can be unreliable but still feels they are useful enough to retain through periods of unreliability or if they view them as a commodity and have no interest whatsoever in their health and well being.[/p][/quote]Rollie, I think you look at people as fellow brothers who follow some of your skewed views. As always when there is a way to abuse the system people will gravitate to it. And the council is an easy place to abuse things since if ever queried they raise the race, sexuality, religion etc banner to justify themselves throwing a sickie. ade_splat

4:03am Sat 14 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
Tonybaloni wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
FitBackPhysiotherapy wrote:
This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.
People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.
Hi RollandSmoke,
I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.
If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill.
Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.
The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power.
They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time.
No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though.

The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil.
They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash.
Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion.
If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.
We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win
As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?
Rollie, I assume T&A pay you to provide the entertainment factor for this site?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tonybaloni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FitBackPhysiotherapy[/bold] wrote: This is unfortunately an increasing picture across the UK. The two biggest causes of sickness absence are stress and musculoskeletal issues. Most people want to be at work and the majority of sickness absence is genuine. Unfortunately with NHS cut backs, waiting times for services such as Physiotherapy can be prolonged and employees can remain at home, off sick with lengthy delays in getting the right advice and treatment. What may start off as a minor easily fixable problem can often become a chronic condition, creating lots of barriers to returning to work including psychosocial . The longer an individual is absent from work, the less of a chance they have in returning to work. This is often through no fault of their own just through a delay in getting the right advice, reassurance and appropriate rehabilitation. Educating line managers/ HR into their crucial role in managing and preventing sickness absence is key. With regards to musculoskeletal issues, often temporarily amending an employees duties at work can avoid them going absent in the first place and so being an understanding manager and appreciating the true impact on their actions is key.[/p][/quote]People understand musculoskeletal issues. They can see people are in pain and how that pain is effecting them they understand that pain and know how such pain hurts. With pyschological issues, unless they have been there, they can't imagine the pain and the crippling effects these issues can cause. You can't show them where it hurts or explain to them why.[/p][/quote]Hi RollandSmoke, I completely agree. This is where the education of managers is so vital to get their buy in.[/p][/quote]If the Council are looking to make redundancies, the people who fancy the idea will let their attendance record slip in the hope it might lift them to the top of the list. It happens. It is however an utter disgrace, the the good people of Bradford who actually pay their own Council tax are left to pick up the bill. Everything is coming to light, a few more years and the Tories will be well on top of the job. Then we will all see tax come down.[/p][/quote]The Tories have always left us with higher overall taxes than when they got power. They also always leave us with more debt and they will do this time. No doubt this fact will be voted down by the Tory football fans though. The only time they ran a surplus was when they were giving away our utilities and living on north sea oil. They also triggered the current mess by de-regulation and Cameron wanted more of it before the crash. Again the above facts will be voted down by the knuckle dragger's who would rather use prejudice rather than reality to form an opinion. If you want less taxes don't vote Tory on past performance.[/p][/quote]We don't want surplus, it will be wasted we want the books balanced. win win[/p][/quote]As we no longer have the North Sea oil to live off and just about everything has been sold off how do you suggest they are going to achieve this? As I mentioned last night the only strategy I can see is to build up national debt and force people into personal debt in order to make money for the banks. If this is not the master plan would you like to enlighten us all on what it is? Pig semen?[/p][/quote]Rollie, I assume T&A pay you to provide the entertainment factor for this site? ade_splat

4:10am Sat 14 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?
he was being sarcastic.
its amazing how you can keep going with the mention of looking at benefits.
he said stop non british benefits so why did you say all?
sounding like the lefties who call people racist for wanting to cut immigration.
I am afraid that Rollie is not very quick on the pithy quip front. A bit too quick to chastise people who are not "right thinking" like himself.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No I have no piercings at all, or tattoos either. Not quite sure what your point is? Is this another of your many prejudices coming to the surface?[/p][/quote]he was being sarcastic. its amazing how you can keep going with the mention of looking at benefits. he said stop non british benefits so why did you say all? sounding like the lefties who call people racist for wanting to cut immigration.[/p][/quote]I am afraid that Rollie is not very quick on the pithy quip front. A bit too quick to chastise people who are not "right thinking" like himself. ade_splat

12:14pm Sat 14 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

ade_splat wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Spanishbob19 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.
I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then.

But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.
Many companies employ through agencies to avoid paying sick pay altogether. It all depends on whether the employer sees the worker as a human being and thereby takes consideration of the fact that humans can be unreliable but still feels they are useful enough to retain through periods of unreliability or if they view them as a commodity and have no interest whatsoever in their health and well being.
Rollie, I think you look at people as fellow brothers who follow some of your skewed views. As always when there is a way to abuse the system people will gravitate to it. And the council is an easy place to abuse things since if ever queried they raise the race, sexuality, religion etc banner to justify themselves throwing a sickie.
It seems you adopt the principle of guilty until proved innocent and will happily use race, sexuality, religion ect as a means of justifying your assumption of guilt. Sometimes people just get sick. I look at people as fellow humans and take some account of the imperfections and limitations that humans have. Even machines will break from time to time especially if you run them too hard. People are much less durable or reliable than machines and much harder to fix when they break. You just can't get the parts as each human is a bespoke one off design. As for the T&A paying me? They don't like me that much. I don't think they appreciate my sense of humour . If they would like to I'm sure we could come to some arrangement. I could put it down as therapeutic earnings.
[quote][p][bold]ade_splat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the sickness rate would be if only the first 3 days were paid. I'm guessing many would suddenly be able to make it in to work.[/p][/quote]I wonder what the benefit bill would be if they only paid the first 3 days, many would find work then. But it isn't, so your argument falls at the first hurdle.[/p][/quote]Many private companies run a similar sick pay scheme and their figures are massively down on this.[/p][/quote]Many companies employ through agencies to avoid paying sick pay altogether. It all depends on whether the employer sees the worker as a human being and thereby takes consideration of the fact that humans can be unreliable but still feels they are useful enough to retain through periods of unreliability or if they view them as a commodity and have no interest whatsoever in their health and well being.[/p][/quote]Rollie, I think you look at people as fellow brothers who follow some of your skewed views. As always when there is a way to abuse the system people will gravitate to it. And the council is an easy place to abuse things since if ever queried they raise the race, sexuality, religion etc banner to justify themselves throwing a sickie.[/p][/quote]It seems you adopt the principle of guilty until proved innocent and will happily use race, sexuality, religion ect as a means of justifying your assumption of guilt. Sometimes people just get sick. I look at people as fellow humans and take some account of the imperfections and limitations that humans have. Even machines will break from time to time especially if you run them too hard. People are much less durable or reliable than machines and much harder to fix when they break. You just can't get the parts as each human is a bespoke one off design. As for the T&A paying me? They don't like me that much. I don't think they appreciate my sense of humour . If they would like to I'm sure we could come to some arrangement. I could put it down as therapeutic earnings. RollandSmoke

5:57pm Mon 16 Dec 13

benji123 says...

now this is where ATOS could make a real difference.
now this is where ATOS could make a real difference. benji123

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