Jobs will be lost, say Bulls directors, as club faces new financial crisis

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Odsal Stadium Odsal Stadium

Bradford Bulls last night told supporters the club is facing a fresh financial crisis as it was revealed that savings of at least £400,000 must be made to keep it alive.

Fewer than two years after the Super League outfit mounted the Quest For Survival campaign, its new directors have revealed they are again fighting to stay afloat.

This time they will not be asking fans for cash – but the club’s board has warned that jobs would be lost amid the savings that must be made over the next 12 months.

Directors Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert claimed in a statement that “as each day goes by the board continues to receive more information detrimental to the stability of the business”.

They added: “The last administrative team struggled to understand the full impact of running this club and stepped away from the business with large outstanding debts which the club now needs to recover from.”

Their statement also spelled out that the club will be forced to lose members of staff in every department and that budgets would be slashed in order to achieve the overriding objective of survival. The club’s administration staff were told of the dire situation by the directors yesterday while head coach Francis Cummins and his players were also addressed.

Although Mr Moore insisted the first-team squad had been “ring-fenced” as much as possible from the cuts, the players were told they are free to look for another club should an opportunity arise elsewhere.

While it was stressed that the Bulls would not be entering administration, Mr Moore said the club would look to begin shedding costs as of tomorrow and that jobs would be lost.

Mr Moore said: “We need to save £400,000 from our bottom line, so jobs will be lost and the process is already under way.

“We are ring-fencing the first-team squad as much as we can, but they know the situation because the majority of them have been through it before.

“We appreciate that some of them may not want to go through it again, so if they want to leave of their own accord then we will have that conversation.

“Basically, in 2014 we are in survival mode.”

The Bulls’ monthly wage bill is about £220,000 and the club will again receive only half of the central monies from the Rugby Football League – approximately £650,000 – in 2014.

Bradford businessman and restaurateur Omar Khan, whose takeover of the Bulls in September 2012 helped to safeguard the club’s future and resulted in a substantial injection of his own cash, did not want to comment last night.

Blake Solly, the RFL’s director of licensing and standards, said: “The directors of the club have kept us informed at every stage of the process and we have been supporting them through the process. We have confidence that they are doing the right thing in ensuring the business is sustainable.”

The revelation of the Bulls’ latest financial crisis comes after a firm called Bradford Bulls 2014 Limited was registered with Companies House on November 12, which sparked online speculation that the current outfit OK Bulls Limited could be about to enter administration.

The 2014 firm has the same directors as OK Bulls, with documents confirming Mr Moore, Mr Calvert and Mr Watt each own a third of the shares.

The directors have insisted the club would continue to trade through OK Bulls and the new company, with the shares that Mr Khan and former general manager Ryan Whitcut hold in OK Bulls being transferred over to the three current directors.

The directors said they had each put significant sums into the club, but Mr Calvert said yesterday: “We’ve put in as much as we can and that’s it now.

“The danger for us from a personal perspective is that we end up without a penny to our name. OK Bulls will not be entering administration and we will continue to trade through it along with the new company.”

Meanwhile, chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul told season ticket-holders at a fans’ forum last night that progress had been made with regards to strengthening relationships with existing sponsors and potential new ones.

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8:39am Thu 5 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

*awaits comments from Bulls fans announcing "these guys are really doing a good job and have the clubs best interests at heart"*
*awaits comments from Bulls fans announcing "these guys are really doing a good job and have the clubs best interests at heart"* Andy2010

8:53am Thu 5 Dec 13

Apollo says...

The club seems to limp from crisis to crisis. Perhaps it is time to call it day?
The club seems to limp from crisis to crisis. Perhaps it is time to call it day? Apollo

8:53am Thu 5 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

Move along, nothing to see here, all is well AGAIN down at the hole.

I said you were a lost cause, and you are.

Marching on together......
Move along, nothing to see here, all is well AGAIN down at the hole. I said you were a lost cause, and you are. Marching on together...... Alhaurinrhino

9:08am Thu 5 Dec 13

jaybs says...

People think London has problems! it's just Big Nigel seems to keep this under wraps more, add to this Wakefield, no wonder Ian Lenagan wants owners in Super League to back him to control the top tier more professional than Red Hall do.
People think London has problems! it's just Big Nigel seems to keep this under wraps more, add to this Wakefield, no wonder Ian Lenagan wants owners in Super League to back him to control the top tier more professional than Red Hall do. jaybs

9:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
Move along, nothing to see here, all is well AGAIN down at the hole.

I said you were a lost cause, and you are.

Marching on together......
Omar Omar give us a wave!!!!! Can we have a picture please for all your misguided followers. Can you all organise a collection for Omar to repay him for the fine job he did?????. I suspect he has now fell out with Robbie the chosen one regarding his Money!!!!
What has gone on at this Club is a disgrace and has done Rugby League and it's Image no good. I pity the players who have nowhere else to go to.
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: Move along, nothing to see here, all is well AGAIN down at the hole. I said you were a lost cause, and you are. Marching on together......[/p][/quote]Omar Omar give us a wave!!!!! Can we have a picture please for all your misguided followers. Can you all organise a collection for Omar to repay him for the fine job he did?????. I suspect he has now fell out with Robbie the chosen one regarding his Money!!!! What has gone on at this Club is a disgrace and has done Rugby League and it's Image no good. I pity the players who have nowhere else to go to. bbibby

9:13am Thu 5 Dec 13

Bone_idle18 says...

Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection.

That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas.

what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work) Bone_idle18

9:19am Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Awaits, Sheffieldbull, Viking, Raisemeup, etc.

I'm presuming Omar Khan, Sutcliffe, Ian Greenwood, Ryan Whitcut, etc will all be keeping a low profile or no doubt coming out with a counter statement to suggest this is rubbish.

If it's not the latter then we can know all this to be true.

This is the tip of the iceberg the T&A reported on, anyone at the fans forum know there was a whole host of skeletons coming out the closet last night.

Good luck to the new board, they clearly need it.
Awaits, Sheffieldbull, Viking, Raisemeup, etc. I'm presuming Omar Khan, Sutcliffe, Ian Greenwood, Ryan Whitcut, etc will all be keeping a low profile or no doubt coming out with a counter statement to suggest this is rubbish. If it's not the latter then we can know all this to be true. This is the tip of the iceberg the T&A reported on, anyone at the fans forum know there was a whole host of skeletons coming out the closet last night. Good luck to the new board, they clearly need it. Thee Voice of Reason

9:19am Thu 5 Dec 13

whisky1 says...

City fans should give thanks for a decent board/owners!..what a shower.
City fans should give thanks for a decent board/owners!..what a shower. whisky1

9:44am Thu 5 Dec 13

jaj1066 says...

If the RFL are so concerned about our survival how could they take £650 000 from us and expect us to do that!!
If the RFL are so concerned about our survival how could they take £650 000 from us and expect us to do that!! jaj1066

9:56am Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Good luck to the Bulls who have some great fans...hopefully someone can sort this great club out and get it back to the top of the game. Keep fighting fellas...never give in!!!!!!!
Good luck to the Bulls who have some great fans...hopefully someone can sort this great club out and get it back to the top of the game. Keep fighting fellas...never give in!!!!!!! bcfc1903

9:56am Thu 5 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Good luck to the Bulls who have some great fans...hopefully someone can sort this great club out and get it back to the top of the game. Keep fighting fellas...never give in!!!!!!!
Good luck to the Bulls who have some great fans...hopefully someone can sort this great club out and get it back to the top of the game. Keep fighting fellas...never give in!!!!!!! bcfc1903

10:07am Thu 5 Dec 13

passionate says...

So if there's a £400,000 shortfall but the Bulls are being short changed by the RFL to the tune of £650,000 then under normal circumstances they'd be making £250,000 not a loss?

The RFL and other Super League clubs are going to send the club out of existence. A sad state of affairs.
So if there's a £400,000 shortfall but the Bulls are being short changed by the RFL to the tune of £650,000 then under normal circumstances they'd be making £250,000 not a loss? The RFL and other Super League clubs are going to send the club out of existence. A sad state of affairs. passionate

10:15am Thu 5 Dec 13

Truth77 says...

Wheres the £200,000 council loan gone, The concerned ratepayers who objected to this loan were ignored and assured that it was a safe investment and would not be at risk, The leader of the council should now explain why he gave the loan and what steps are bieng taken to protect the rate payer's money
Wheres the £200,000 council loan gone, The concerned ratepayers who objected to this loan were ignored and assured that it was a safe investment and would not be at risk, The leader of the council should now explain why he gave the loan and what steps are bieng taken to protect the rate payer's money Truth77

10:27am Thu 5 Dec 13

PHILISAN says...

I agree with Truth 77..

Jay Willey Pm'd me after I offered support when she was 'dumped' by OK and his band of merry men.In it she stated that all was far from well and if she felt resentment of ,in her words,the bulling tactics she endured, she could have brought the Club to it's knees.She was not at all pleased with the way the Club was being run..now she must be feeling vindicated..Only wish she would come in with her hundred grand now.
I agree with Truth 77.. Jay Willey Pm'd me after I offered support when she was 'dumped' by OK and his band of merry men.In it she stated that all was far from well and if she felt resentment of ,in her words,the bulling tactics she endured, she could have brought the Club to it's knees.She was not at all pleased with the way the Club was being run..now she must be feeling vindicated..Only wish she would come in with her hundred grand now. PHILISAN

10:31am Thu 5 Dec 13

allannicho says...

Sad news indeed perhaps ground sharing is the only answer?
Sorry to raise an old chestnut!
Sad news indeed perhaps ground sharing is the only answer? Sorry to raise an old chestnut! allannicho

10:33am Thu 5 Dec 13

tyker7745 says...

here we go again:a club without the ability to raise enough cash to start the new season. It simply goes from bad to worse and the number of people and organisations it can borrow from are virtually nil. They may as well try for a pay day loan from Wonga or even Amigo but then who would stand guarantor for this shambles of an outfit.

Robbie Paul will be getting out soon as he would not wish his name to be associated with this shambles when it does go under.

The cash burn is too high and the only way to address this is to play amateurs or part timers.
here we go again:a club without the ability to raise enough cash to start the new season. It simply goes from bad to worse and the number of people and organisations it can borrow from are virtually nil. They may as well try for a pay day loan from Wonga or even Amigo but then who would stand guarantor for this shambles of an outfit. Robbie Paul will be getting out soon as he would not wish his name to be associated with this shambles when it does go under. The cash burn is too high and the only way to address this is to play amateurs or part timers. tyker7745

10:37am Thu 5 Dec 13

tyker7745 says...

allannicho wrote:
Sad news indeed perhaps ground sharing is the only answer?
Sorry to raise an old chestnut!
but will city want them ?The monthly rent from the bulls would have to be paid up front for several months with personal guarantees in place. Even then City may refuse them as sub tenants.............
.................. it is not in their current intersts
[quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: Sad news indeed perhaps ground sharing is the only answer? Sorry to raise an old chestnut![/p][/quote]but will city want them ?The monthly rent from the bulls would have to be paid up front for several months with personal guarantees in place. Even then City may refuse them as sub tenants............. .................. it is not in their current intersts tyker7745

10:40am Thu 5 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

passionate wrote:
So if there's a £400,000 shortfall but the Bulls are being short changed by the RFL to the tune of £650,000 then under normal circumstances they'd be making £250,000 not a loss?

The RFL and other Super League clubs are going to send the club out of existence. A sad state of affairs.
That's this month, there will be more 'debt' uncovered yet and more lay-offs in both admin and playing staff. Don't continue to think all would be well if we just had half a million more. The current situation is unsustainable with or without these monies.

It's sad but it is looking bleaker and bleaker by the day.
[quote][p][bold]passionate[/bold] wrote: So if there's a £400,000 shortfall but the Bulls are being short changed by the RFL to the tune of £650,000 then under normal circumstances they'd be making £250,000 not a loss? The RFL and other Super League clubs are going to send the club out of existence. A sad state of affairs.[/p][/quote]That's this month, there will be more 'debt' uncovered yet and more lay-offs in both admin and playing staff. Don't continue to think all would be well if we just had half a million more. The current situation is unsustainable with or without these monies. It's sad but it is looking bleaker and bleaker by the day. Prisoner Cell Block A

10:58am Thu 5 Dec 13

Bierley says...

it is not surprising that the Bulls are in trouble again. I went to the fireworks spectacular a month ago and the price structure for alcohol was a joke.

£3.30 a pint or £1.20 for half - what kind of maths is that??

I did point out the discrepancy to the bar staff, but they just shrugged and charged as per the price guide.
it is not surprising that the Bulls are in trouble again. I went to the fireworks spectacular a month ago and the price structure for alcohol was a joke. £3.30 a pint or £1.20 for half - what kind of maths is that?? I did point out the discrepancy to the bar staff, but they just shrugged and charged as per the price guide. Bierley

11:08am Thu 5 Dec 13

blue marlin says...

there is nowt like bad news to get every talkin.
there is nowt like bad news to get every talkin. blue marlin

11:14am Thu 5 Dec 13

expatbull says...

well its good to see so many new posters on here, seems like you love bleak bad news the usual guys/trolls are out in force,but what the hell seems there was something wrong in the state of Denmark, a little pun for my mate Viking.
Its a shame that its come to this again ,but who know what lay around the corner there are 3 Clubs acknowledging they are in dire financial states, how many more are struggling but denying it, this only the tip of the iceberg,
Red-hall rubber stamped the last incumbents at odsal as fit and proper? doesn't look like it know does it, penalised Bradford with less TV cash when its needed most, classic idea.
Dont get me wrong im not making excuses for what's happened just think finger needs pointing in other directions other than present board.
In closing id like to say what's the point of a fit and proper persons test when all this comes out afterwards,RED HALL throw the test in the bin , it doesn't work.
well its good to see so many new posters on here, seems like you love bleak bad news the usual guys/trolls are out in force,but what the hell seems there was something wrong in the state of Denmark, a little pun for my mate Viking. Its a shame that its come to this again ,but who know what lay around the corner there are 3 Clubs acknowledging they are in dire financial states, how many more are struggling but denying it, this only the tip of the iceberg, Red-hall rubber stamped the last incumbents at odsal as fit and proper? doesn't look like it know does it, penalised Bradford with less TV cash when its needed most, classic idea. Dont get me wrong im not making excuses for what's happened just think finger needs pointing in other directions other than present board. In closing id like to say what's the point of a fit and proper persons test when all this comes out afterwards,RED HALL throw the test in the bin , it doesn't work. expatbull

11:17am Thu 5 Dec 13

Videoref says...

I believe Gerry Sutcliffe was a labour MP in the pre 2010 government. Look what Labour did for the UK 1997-2010. What chance did the Bulls have?
I believe Gerry Sutcliffe was a labour MP in the pre 2010 government. Look what Labour did for the UK 1997-2010. What chance did the Bulls have? Videoref

11:18am Thu 5 Dec 13

THEMANOFSTEEL says...

this is a joke
just put the club back into administration get them liquidated and give another club a go. Dissolve the Club and start again
its not fair when other clubs have much better financial structure
im sorry but a Rangers / Crusaders situation needs to happen here.
The season should start as it is planned and have a 12 teams Eliminate Bradford and London
All that's going to happen to both clubs is they are going to get hammered week in week out
Bradford clearly need the players that's left
We could probably get away with losing Kearney but the rest are def needed
if they loose more then who is going to want to watch them.
its just going to prolong the inevitable
I love the Bulls and will never stop but this is beyond a joke
Yesterday they were talking about potential new signings to needing 400k
really!!!
this is a joke just put the club back into administration get them liquidated and give another club a go. Dissolve the Club and start again its not fair when other clubs have much better financial structure im sorry but a Rangers / Crusaders situation needs to happen here. The season should start as it is planned and have a 12 teams Eliminate Bradford and London All that's going to happen to both clubs is they are going to get hammered week in week out Bradford clearly need the players that's left We could probably get away with losing Kearney but the rest are def needed if they loose more then who is going to want to watch them. its just going to prolong the inevitable I love the Bulls and will never stop but this is beyond a joke Yesterday they were talking about potential new signings to needing 400k really!!! THEMANOFSTEEL

11:20am Thu 5 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Spoke to Sutcliffe last week. When telling him the Bulls are in a mess "no they're not, where you get that info ?". Dear oh dear.
Spoke to Sutcliffe last week. When telling him the Bulls are in a mess "no they're not, where you get that info ?". Dear oh dear. RuggerTyke

11:27am Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Where is Viking?
Where is Viking? Thee Voice of Reason

12:05pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

RuggerTyke wrote:
Spoke to Sutcliffe last week. When telling him the Bulls are in a mess "no they're not, where you get that info ?". Dear oh dear.
Using the same sand dune as viking and mates. Not being vindictive but time and again the 'down' side of all this was pointed out and vehemently denied by a group on here.

TVOR, myself and others have been through this with City and are wise to the fact that the rhetoric and BS put out by the club is rarely the truth and there is always something to be fearful of.

Anyway, as always, I really hope it gets resolved positively and the Bulls kick off the season with as strong a playing squad as possible.
[quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Spoke to Sutcliffe last week. When telling him the Bulls are in a mess "no they're not, where you get that info ?". Dear oh dear.[/p][/quote]Using the same sand dune as viking and mates. Not being vindictive but time and again the 'down' side of all this was pointed out and vehemently denied by a group on here. TVOR, myself and others have been through this with City and are wise to the fact that the rhetoric and BS put out by the club is rarely the truth and there is always something to be fearful of. Anyway, as always, I really hope it gets resolved positively and the Bulls kick off the season with as strong a playing squad as possible. Prisoner Cell Block A

12:11pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

How can a club which had it's debt reset to zero, now owe £1.2m.

What of the council loan of taxpayers money, will that ever be paid back.

The club knew monies from central funding would be held back so should have budgeted accordingly, not spend borrowed money leaving the club in a worse position that it was in the first place.

The central funding monies doesn't come into it, this was known from the word go, also the central monies didn't mean the loss of over £100k on concerts and other such hairbrain schemes.

City fans have been through it twice, spent a decade in the wilderness before getting back on their feet, and it was a truely awful time.

Omar Khan leaving due to ill health looks like a bending of the truth and what of Gerry Sutcliffe, not a word since his resignation.

It's clear Whitcut was kept onboard to try disguise the real mess for aslong as possible and I thank the RFL for removing him, selling Bateman without the other directors knowledge, he has serious questions to answer.

The longer people sit by and don't ask questions the more damage is done, thankfully answers are now coming out.

If I were the board I would get some audited accounts put together ASAP so the whole picture can be seen and made public, then the previous regime should answer some serious questions.
How can a club which had it's debt reset to zero, now owe £1.2m. What of the council loan of taxpayers money, will that ever be paid back. The club knew monies from central funding would be held back so should have budgeted accordingly, not spend borrowed money leaving the club in a worse position that it was in the first place. The central funding monies doesn't come into it, this was known from the word go, also the central monies didn't mean the loss of over £100k on concerts and other such hairbrain schemes. City fans have been through it twice, spent a decade in the wilderness before getting back on their feet, and it was a truely awful time. Omar Khan leaving due to ill health looks like a bending of the truth and what of Gerry Sutcliffe, not a word since his resignation. It's clear Whitcut was kept onboard to try disguise the real mess for aslong as possible and I thank the RFL for removing him, selling Bateman without the other directors knowledge, he has serious questions to answer. The longer people sit by and don't ask questions the more damage is done, thankfully answers are now coming out. If I were the board I would get some audited accounts put together ASAP so the whole picture can be seen and made public, then the previous regime should answer some serious questions. Bacon Bantam

12:47pm Thu 5 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection.

That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas.

what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it!
The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k.
Plus of course they wont lose any points.
Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding?
Which club will be the first to vote yes!
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes! raisemeup

12:53pm Thu 5 Dec 13

justjustice says...

The club should simple increase ticket prices, I remember reading last time that this club has the lowest priced tickets in the league! If that is the case then increasing ticket prices should be one of the things they should do to help finance the club!
The club should simple increase ticket prices, I remember reading last time that this club has the lowest priced tickets in the league! If that is the case then increasing ticket prices should be one of the things they should do to help finance the club! justjustice

12:55pm Thu 5 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

It's time promotion and relegation was implemented. The whole license scenario is a farce.

It at least would offer clubs the chance to go down, gain some parachute money a la premier league, then come back better for it.

RFL needs a shake up. Big time.
It's time promotion and relegation was implemented. The whole license scenario is a farce. It at least would offer clubs the chance to go down, gain some parachute money a la premier league, then come back better for it. RFL needs a shake up. Big time. RuggerTyke

1:05pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance.

This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k.

You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge.

At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else? Bacon Bantam

1:35pm Thu 5 Dec 13

tyker7745 says...

justjustice wrote:
The club should simple increase ticket prices, I remember reading last time that this club has the lowest priced tickets in the league! If that is the case then increasing ticket prices should be one of the things they should do to help finance the club!
and the fans disappear?
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: The club should simple increase ticket prices, I remember reading last time that this club has the lowest priced tickets in the league! If that is the case then increasing ticket prices should be one of the things they should do to help finance the club![/p][/quote]and the fans disappear? tyker7745

1:35pm Thu 5 Dec 13

tyker7745 says...

justjustice wrote:
The club should simple increase ticket prices, I remember reading last time that this club has the lowest priced tickets in the league! If that is the case then increasing ticket prices should be one of the things they should do to help finance the club!
and the fans disappear?
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: The club should simple increase ticket prices, I remember reading last time that this club has the lowest priced tickets in the league! If that is the case then increasing ticket prices should be one of the things they should do to help finance the club![/p][/quote]and the fans disappear? tyker7745

1:38pm Thu 5 Dec 13

yorkshiredude says...

I honestly think promotion and relegation would not solve such situations and I’m worried about the long term stability of RL with the changes that they are looking to introduce. Probably very unpopular but I don’t think we can have any more than ten fully pro and sustainable clubs (or be it franchises) – top flight RL should be a closed shop (similar process to licensing) to allow some long term security to invest. If clubs like Bradford can’t secure that level of investment, then the semi-pro league is where they would have to go. I think an opportunity was missed back in 1995/6 with all the super league money and also when licensing was introduced – but with low standards and 14 teams – though easy to say this in hindsight. And if there isn’t enough investment to get 10 fully pro sustainable clubs, then just make the whole lot semi-pro…
I honestly think promotion and relegation would not solve such situations and I’m worried about the long term stability of RL with the changes that they are looking to introduce. Probably very unpopular but I don’t think we can have any more than ten fully pro and sustainable clubs (or be it franchises) – top flight RL should be a closed shop (similar process to licensing) to allow some long term security to invest. If clubs like Bradford can’t secure that level of investment, then the semi-pro league is where they would have to go. I think an opportunity was missed back in 1995/6 with all the super league money and also when licensing was introduced – but with low standards and 14 teams – though easy to say this in hindsight. And if there isn’t enough investment to get 10 fully pro sustainable clubs, then just make the whole lot semi-pro… yorkshiredude

3:04pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bone_idle18 says...

I know that when BCFC went into Administration with Debts on 13Million, I wasn't wishing them anything other than the best and hoped they survived.

Pity some of you soccer lot can't do the same for us.

I don't know any Bradford Bulls/Northern fans who hate City, same can't be said for City fans!

Still, the whole mentality of fans in Soccer compared to rugby is a million mile apart.
I know that when BCFC went into Administration with Debts on 13Million, I wasn't wishing them anything other than the best and hoped they survived. Pity some of you soccer lot can't do the same for us. I don't know any Bradford Bulls/Northern fans who hate City, same can't be said for City fans! Still, the whole mentality of fans in Soccer compared to rugby is a million mile apart. Bone_idle18

3:12pm Thu 5 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance.

This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k.

You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge.

At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now..
A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we? raisemeup

3:20pm Thu 5 Dec 13

captain grumpy says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
I know that when BCFC went into Administration with Debts on 13Million, I wasn't wishing them anything other than the best and hoped they survived.

Pity some of you soccer lot can't do the same for us.

I don't know any Bradford Bulls/Northern fans who hate City, same can't be said for City fans!

Still, the whole mentality of fans in Soccer compared to rugby is a million mile apart.
You are wrong there Idle there are lots of Bulls fans who despise Soccer as you call it and BCFC in particular. However it's not City fans who have caused Bulls financial problems ,but various directors including the present lot who claim all is well when it clearly isn't. City fans who have been down this road know the warning signs and just because you don't like them pointing out the obvious you put the blame on them.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: I know that when BCFC went into Administration with Debts on 13Million, I wasn't wishing them anything other than the best and hoped they survived. Pity some of you soccer lot can't do the same for us. I don't know any Bradford Bulls/Northern fans who hate City, same can't be said for City fans! Still, the whole mentality of fans in Soccer compared to rugby is a million mile apart.[/p][/quote]You are wrong there Idle there are lots of Bulls fans who despise Soccer as you call it and BCFC in particular. However it's not City fans who have caused Bulls financial problems ,but various directors including the present lot who claim all is well when it clearly isn't. City fans who have been down this road know the warning signs and just because you don't like them pointing out the obvious you put the blame on them. captain grumpy

3:23pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking?

£100k lost on a concert was mentioned.
Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned.

You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this.

Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble.

Your words not mine,

Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon.
Which seems to indicate you are wrong.

You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you. Bacon Bantam

4:08pm Thu 5 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking?

£100k lost on a concert was mentioned.
Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned.

You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this.

Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble.

Your words not mine,

Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon.
Which seems to indicate you are wrong.

You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything.
I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it?

And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum!

the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect.
I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise.

Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others. raisemeup

4:31pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post.

Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it)

RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now...
- We are not going into administration
- The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration
- Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club.
- The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount.
- The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL.
- Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back
- Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department.
- Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal.
- Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position)
- 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1.
- The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income.
- The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them.
- RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it"
- The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists.
- The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive
- Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!!
- John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!!
- Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted.
- Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make.
- Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer.
- OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it.
- Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?)
- Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it.
- New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around.

I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.[/p][/quote]Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now.... Bacon Bantam

4:56pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post.

Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it)

RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now...
- We are not going into administration
- The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration
- Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club.
- The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount.
- The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL.
- Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back
- Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department.
- Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal.
- Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position)
- 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1.
- The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income.
- The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them.
- RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it"
- The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists.
- The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive
- Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!!
- John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!!
- Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted.
- Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make.
- Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer.
- OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it.
- Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?)
- Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it.
- New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around.

I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....
So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.[/p][/quote]Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....[/p][/quote]So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything. Andy2010

5:08pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....
So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything.
To be fair to them they probably have a point with much of what is said their. They have been in charge for a few weeks so this debt hasn't been run up by them. Unless you think Khan and Sutcliffe along with Whitcut ran a tight ship.

They should have done due diligence though, it's unbelievable that they didn't and how initially they were going to work alongside Whitcut. Still if they had done it they maynot have taken over and the club would be in the process of being wound up at this point.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.[/p][/quote]Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....[/p][/quote]So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything.[/p][/quote]To be fair to them they probably have a point with much of what is said their. They have been in charge for a few weeks so this debt hasn't been run up by them. Unless you think Khan and Sutcliffe along with Whitcut ran a tight ship. They should have done due diligence though, it's unbelievable that they didn't and how initially they were going to work alongside Whitcut. Still if they had done it they maynot have taken over and the club would be in the process of being wound up at this point. Bacon Bantam

5:57pm Thu 5 Dec 13

hemsworthbull formerly known as pontebull says...

Hands up all those on here have purchased a season ticket ?
Surely all those who have commented about the financial status of the club have bought one haven't they?
Oh just a minute, probably not, They are the ones that are in the know and obviously know how to run a sporting club. If that is the case and they want the club to survive, then I suggest they stop whinging and go and buy a season ticket and support the club. I am pretty sure that is what supporters do isn't it
Hands up all those on here have purchased a season ticket ? Surely all those who have commented about the financial status of the club have bought one haven't they? Oh just a minute, probably not, They are the ones that are in the know and obviously know how to run a sporting club. If that is the case and they want the club to survive, then I suggest they stop whinging and go and buy a season ticket and support the club. I am pretty sure that is what supporters do isn't it hemsworthbull formerly known as pontebull

11:46pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

So here are the 43 comments
So here are the 43 comments Ahrmen Aleg

12:06am Fri 6 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

passionate wrote:
So if there's a £400,000 shortfall but the Bulls are being short changed by the RFL to the tune of £650,000 then under normal circumstances they'd be making £250,000 not a loss?

The RFL and other Super League clubs are going to send the club out of existence. A sad state of affairs.
Wrong.

Last week the 3 directors wanted to go into adminstraion.

The RFL said no way.
They are insolvent.

The RFL refuse the club/company directors the normal practice when insolvent.Perhaps offering more loans who knows.

The RFL were complicit in creditors losing close to £2 mllion by giving previous insolvent owners

1.A three year super league licence when insolvent
2.3 months later taking the ground the only asset of any worth for just a million blown by April 2012

And here we are again 2 years on with the RFL preferring no knock to their image rather than apply the medicine to the sick patient

A patient that OK willingly agreed to take the club on with only half sky money and still a £220000 a month wages bill.Madness
[quote][p][bold]passionate[/bold] wrote: So if there's a £400,000 shortfall but the Bulls are being short changed by the RFL to the tune of £650,000 then under normal circumstances they'd be making £250,000 not a loss? The RFL and other Super League clubs are going to send the club out of existence. A sad state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Last week the 3 directors wanted to go into adminstraion. The RFL said no way. They are insolvent. The RFL refuse the club/company directors the normal practice when insolvent.Perhaps offering more loans who knows. The RFL were complicit in creditors losing close to £2 mllion by giving previous insolvent owners 1.A three year super league licence when insolvent 2.3 months later taking the ground the only asset of any worth for just a million blown by April 2012 And here we are again 2 years on with the RFL preferring no knock to their image rather than apply the medicine to the sick patient A patient that OK willingly agreed to take the club on with only half sky money and still a £220000 a month wages bill.Madness Ahrmen Aleg

7:10am Fri 6 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....
So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything.
To be fair to them they probably have a point with much of what is said their. They have been in charge for a few weeks so this debt hasn't been run up by them. Unless you think Khan and Sutcliffe along with Whitcut ran a tight ship.

They should have done due diligence though, it's unbelievable that they didn't and how initially they were going to work alongside Whitcut. Still if they had done it they maynot have taken over and the club would be in the process of being wound up at this point.
My guess is the three of them were creditors who were struggling to get their money owed from Ok (as indeed they keep opening drawers and finding more of the same mystery creditors).

So perhaps saw the only way to stand a chance of recovering the money owed was to get more involved in OK"s sinking ship.

And have now left held holding a very sick 15 month old baby that has accumulated £1.2 million debt in that time.

I doubt Ok was taught the tale of Mr Micawber.

You cannot pay a kings wages (£220000 a month )on a peasants income.

Did they listen last year.No.

Will the new board get to grips with the mess.Yes.

They understand numbers.

If Sutcliffe and Khan had listened (not neccesarily to me but certainly not to the many who simply don't care as long as the Bulls are signing this that and the other NAME players on daft wages)they would have budgeted by getting rid a year ago of ALL earners as Heath and Langley.

By still chasing a dream and spending up to cap on wages not affordable they have succeeded in

1.Finishing 9th.......wonderfull

2.Got thrashed by kids in the next to last game at home to a club with no tradition and financial worries of their own
3.made themselves poorly
4Shown themselves to be non businessmen.
5.Made losses of £1.2 million in the the 15 months
6.Put doubt on the recoverability of taxpayer funds of £200000 secretly lent by Bradford Council.(Except Bradford Councillors knew nothing about it)
What a wonderfull example of another New Labour carve up.All the players huge New Labour supporters suddenly directors (Ian Greenwood)chairmen (Gerry Sutcliffe) Khan and Whitcut solid new Labour.Mick Swales Sutcliffes parliamentary secretary.(Who in 24 phone calls or Emails failed to respond to any..)
7.Set the stage for more of the same for 2014 that will now have to be unravelled.

Said it a year ago.
The business model of Khans was unsustainable without the sky money and with head in the clouds and a few fingers elsewhere he blindly and light headedlybungled his way in,there been only one other serious taker at the time.
Bradford Park Avenue were interested.
They realised it could not be done without the sky money.
The budgets they produced have proved accurate.
Ok and Whitcuts grasp of accounts is clearly non existent.
Or financial responsibility to creditors.

Let them whistle in the wind.

It does not take a financial genius to realise that 6000 season ticket sales will fund a wages bill of £220000 weekly.
Season ticket sales this year are 2000.

Looks like Brians right.
I need to change my name to Armageddon.
And Brian might have to get his train set out of the loft next summer.

I hope not.

Calvert sees it for what it is.

And will sort it if it is sortable.

I can tell that much already compared to the New Labour philosophy of bankrupt it and run.

Just as they did to the country and some would argue the world.

wonder if Sutcliffe left Mr Moore and Co the same note as the departing chancellor in 2010.

"Sorry theres no money left"

Never to be heard of again.

Bit like Sutcliffe really.

Not a word uttered from the chairmen since OK declared he was dying.

No word of Ian Greenwoods appointment and still less of his resignation or indeed any news of what role he fulfilled.Probably as he lost his £50 grand a year job with Bradford Council the old pals network kicked in.

Nepotism at its worst.

The worst is yet to come
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.[/p][/quote]Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....[/p][/quote]So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything.[/p][/quote]To be fair to them they probably have a point with much of what is said their. They have been in charge for a few weeks so this debt hasn't been run up by them. Unless you think Khan and Sutcliffe along with Whitcut ran a tight ship. They should have done due diligence though, it's unbelievable that they didn't and how initially they were going to work alongside Whitcut. Still if they had done it they maynot have taken over and the club would be in the process of being wound up at this point.[/p][/quote]My guess is the three of them were creditors who were struggling to get their money owed from Ok (as indeed they keep opening drawers and finding more of the same mystery creditors). So perhaps saw the only way to stand a chance of recovering the money owed was to get more involved in OK"s sinking ship. And have now left held holding a very sick 15 month old baby that has accumulated £1.2 million debt in that time. I doubt Ok was taught the tale of Mr Micawber. You cannot pay a kings wages (£220000 a month )on a peasants income. Did they listen last year.No. Will the new board get to grips with the mess.Yes. They understand numbers. If Sutcliffe and Khan had listened (not neccesarily to me but certainly not to the many who simply don't care as long as the Bulls are signing this that and the other NAME players on daft wages)they would have budgeted by getting rid a year ago of ALL earners as Heath and Langley. By still chasing a dream and spending up to cap on wages not affordable they have succeeded in 1.Finishing 9th.......wonderfull 2.Got thrashed by kids in the next to last game at home to a club with no tradition and financial worries of their own 3.made themselves poorly 4Shown themselves to be non businessmen. 5.Made losses of £1.2 million in the the 15 months 6.Put doubt on the recoverability of taxpayer funds of £200000 secretly lent by Bradford Council.(Except Bradford Councillors knew nothing about it) What a wonderfull example of another New Labour carve up.All the players huge New Labour supporters suddenly directors (Ian Greenwood)chairmen (Gerry Sutcliffe) Khan and Whitcut solid new Labour.Mick Swales Sutcliffes parliamentary secretary.(Who in 24 phone calls or Emails failed to respond to any..) 7.Set the stage for more of the same for 2014 that will now have to be unravelled. Said it a year ago. The business model of Khans was unsustainable without the sky money and with head in the clouds and a few fingers elsewhere he blindly and light headedlybungled his way in,there been only one other serious taker at the time. Bradford Park Avenue were interested. They realised it could not be done without the sky money. The budgets they produced have proved accurate. Ok and Whitcuts grasp of accounts is clearly non existent. Or financial responsibility to creditors. Let them whistle in the wind. It does not take a financial genius to realise that 6000 season ticket sales will fund a wages bill of £220000 weekly. Season ticket sales this year are 2000. Looks like Brians right. I need to change my name to Armageddon. And Brian might have to get his train set out of the loft next summer. I hope not. Calvert sees it for what it is. And will sort it if it is sortable. I can tell that much already compared to the New Labour philosophy of bankrupt it and run. Just as they did to the country and some would argue the world. wonder if Sutcliffe left Mr Moore and Co the same note as the departing chancellor in 2010. "Sorry theres no money left" Never to be heard of again. Bit like Sutcliffe really. Not a word uttered from the chairmen since OK declared he was dying. No word of Ian Greenwoods appointment and still less of his resignation or indeed any news of what role he fulfilled.Probably as he lost his £50 grand a year job with Bradford Council the old pals network kicked in. Nepotism at its worst. The worst is yet to come Ahrmen Aleg

7:20am Fri 6 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Has anyone realised that Mr Omar Khan still owes the Administrater Brendon Gulifoyles firm £100000.

That is the final payment of the £250000 he agreed to buy the club.

So unless that has been agreed to be passed on to the "New" owners we have the farcical situation where OK has lost his investment and still has to pay his purchase price for it....!Next year.
So its a happy new year to him.
No doubt New Labour will help them all out.

From Eddie Balls The very Rev Flowers and the Coop Bank to Bradford Bulls.

Another fine mess you"ve got me into as the freak shows implodes

We could not make this up.

Only in 21St century Bradford.
The place has gone barking
Has anyone realised that Mr Omar Khan still owes the Administrater Brendon Gulifoyles firm £100000. That is the final payment of the £250000 he agreed to buy the club. So unless that has been agreed to be passed on to the "New" owners we have the farcical situation where OK has lost his investment and still has to pay his purchase price for it....!Next year. So its a happy new year to him. No doubt New Labour will help them all out. From Eddie Balls The very Rev Flowers and the Coop Bank to Bradford Bulls. Another fine mess you"ve got me into as the freak shows implodes We could not make this up. Only in 21St century Bradford. The place has gone barking Ahrmen Aleg

7:41am Fri 6 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Has anyone realised that Mr Omar Khan still owes the Administrater Brendon Gulifoyles firm £100000.

That is the final payment of the £250000 he agreed to buy the club.

So unless that has been agreed to be passed on to the "New" owners we have the farcical situation where OK has lost his investment and still has to pay his purchase price for it....!Next year.
So its a happy new year to him.
No doubt New Labour will help them all out.

From Eddie Balls The very Rev Flowers and the Coop Bank to Bradford Bulls.

Another fine mess you"ve got me into as the freak shows implodes

We could not make this up.

Only in 21St century Bradford.
The place has gone barking
The new directors are entirely right to try isolate OK Bulls Limited from the club in the future,
Who knows how many are lining up to take them on in potential litigation.

What did the owner tweet about Kop......"Traitor"

What did Jay Willey suffer we must ask.

Could be a whole can of worms ahead in that company.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: Has anyone realised that Mr Omar Khan still owes the Administrater Brendon Gulifoyles firm £100000. That is the final payment of the £250000 he agreed to buy the club. So unless that has been agreed to be passed on to the "New" owners we have the farcical situation where OK has lost his investment and still has to pay his purchase price for it....!Next year. So its a happy new year to him. No doubt New Labour will help them all out. From Eddie Balls The very Rev Flowers and the Coop Bank to Bradford Bulls. Another fine mess you"ve got me into as the freak shows implodes We could not make this up. Only in 21St century Bradford. The place has gone barking[/p][/quote]The new directors are entirely right to try isolate OK Bulls Limited from the club in the future, Who knows how many are lining up to take them on in potential litigation. What did the owner tweet about Kop......"Traitor" What did Jay Willey suffer we must ask. Could be a whole can of worms ahead in that company. Ahrmen Aleg

8:57am Fri 6 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....
So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything.
To be fair to them they probably have a point with much of what is said their. They have been in charge for a few weeks so this debt hasn't been run up by them. Unless you think Khan and Sutcliffe along with Whitcut ran a tight ship.

They should have done due diligence though, it's unbelievable that they didn't and how initially they were going to work alongside Whitcut. Still if they had done it they maynot have taken over and the club would be in the process of being wound up at this point.
Delaying the inevitable then
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.[/p][/quote]Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....[/p][/quote]So in summary and like all Governments they are basically blaming the previous owners for everything and don't accept responsibility for anything.[/p][/quote]To be fair to them they probably have a point with much of what is said their. They have been in charge for a few weeks so this debt hasn't been run up by them. Unless you think Khan and Sutcliffe along with Whitcut ran a tight ship. They should have done due diligence though, it's unbelievable that they didn't and how initially they were going to work alongside Whitcut. Still if they had done it they maynot have taken over and the club would be in the process of being wound up at this point.[/p][/quote]Delaying the inevitable then Andy2010

3:26pm Fri 6 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post.

Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it)

RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now...
- We are not going into administration
- The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration
- Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club.
- The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount.
- The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL.
- Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back
- Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department.
- Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal.
- Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position)
- 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1.
- The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income.
- The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them.
- RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it"
- The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists.
- The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive
- Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!!
- John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!!
- Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted.
- Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make.
- Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer.
- OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it.
- Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?)
- Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it.
- New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around.

I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....
Yes that was a fair transcript, with some things I missed.
Thanks for that, it certainly helps to have someone at the front who hears most of what was said.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.[/p][/quote]Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....[/p][/quote]Yes that was a fair transcript, with some things I missed. Thanks for that, it certainly helps to have someone at the front who hears most of what was said. raisemeup

3:26pm Fri 6 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)
Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes!
The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?
That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?
Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.
You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.
Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post.

Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it)

RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now...
- We are not going into administration
- The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration
- Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club.
- The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount.
- The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL.
- Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back
- Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department.
- Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal.
- Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position)
- 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1.
- The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income.
- The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them.
- RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it"
- The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists.
- The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive
- Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!!
- John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!!
- Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted.
- Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make.
- Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer.
- OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it.
- Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?)
- Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it.
- New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around.

I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....
Yes that was a fair transcript, with some things I missed.
Thanks for that, it certainly helps to have someone at the front who hears most of what was said.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are inherited problems which they are trying to address. Hope all the clubs who voted to shar out our central funding amongst themselves( for a second year) are happy with their extra cash injection. That extra central funding would have ensured people keep their jobs instead of facing an uncertain future in the lad up to Christmas. what all you idiots having a dig don't realise is that real people are suffering here, lets hope any of you are never in a similar situation with the threat of redundancy looming just before Christmas (is any of you dick-heads actually work)[/p][/quote]Well said, it's always easy to talk when it affects other people isn't it! The irony is if London don't go into administration and carry on as a SL team next season, will they still get the full contribution of £1.2 million plus the additional £50k from the proportionate doled out share of the Bulls £650k. Plus of course they wont lose any points. Interesting scenario for the Bulls, knowing legitimately that they could save jobs and move forward with a spare months staff salary in the bank. If we were given back that which was our rightful share from central funding? Which club will be the first to vote yes![/p][/quote]The club knew they weren't getting the £600k per year but instead of cutting their cloth accordingly they borrowed money. The budget so to speak was thrown in the bin and now the club is in a worse state that it was in the first instance. This new board are doing what the previous lot should of done instead of borrow and spend. £100k loss on a concert is rediculous, signing new players knowing season ticket sales were barely over 2k. You dress it up how you want, even when faced with the cold hard facts your still trying to spin it as someones fault. Someone has said the budgets sent to the RFL differ massively from those used at the club. Bateman was sold without the current boards knowledge. At what stage are you going to take your tinted glasses up and realise the club has been thrown into a mess by those who ran it and no one else?[/p][/quote]That was then, this is now.. A lot of what you say was not said last night, you are rambling on, without knowing the facts. Only those that made up those budgets and projections could know the details..but it's happened and we cannot alter the facts can we?[/p][/quote]Did you sit through the meeting with your fingers in your ears whispering sweet nothing to viking? £100k lost on a concert was mentioned. Whitcut selling Bateman behind the boards back mentioned. You have a way of rewritting history to make it look like you were never wrong but boy oh boy were you wrong with this. Even yesterday you were rambling on about why would a fans forum be called if the club was in trouble. Your words not mine, Just as an add on to my last post BB. The Bulls website has the News of: Fans Forum tonight...and the update is 12 noon. Which seems to indicate you are wrong. You really didn't see it coming did you, no matter how much warning other were giving you.[/p][/quote]You see you are wrong...what was said about Bateman was: Direct Quote> John wanted to go: And it was mentioned a few times, also mentioned was he would only go to Wigan. They (Wigan) thought they could get him without a transfer fee, but they were persuaded to pay a fee before he was transferred. It was difficult to hear everything due to us being at the back, and a poor PA system. So I may have not heard everything. I would hazard a guess you were not there, and this info is third hand anyway. Possibly from someone who has a different truth to us, but frankly Bacon it's largely academic now, isn't it? And you misquote in the same article what I wrote and stated in the lead up to the forum. never once did I berate BB who wrote the first post re the forum! the post stated a fact from the Bulls website...it also states an indication that BB was wrong in his assumption that there might not be a forum and the club was likely to be in administration. or his words to that effect. I did not assume that the club was not in trouble or otherwise. Let's face it you only read what you want to...but do me a favour and stop this silly vendetta...and do not assume what I know . It is something that I would not write or discuss on this site, mainly because of the likes of you, and some others.[/p][/quote]Here is a summary from amber red and black by a unbias level headed poster that presented the info as it was told. Is this person speaking rubbish as not one person has said he is lying on that forum and there are over 100 comments that follow the post. Right... this is what I can remember (and there was a lot so I might have forgotten some of it) RHP started off by giving an outline of what has been happening last 6weeks and where we are now... - We are not going into administration - The new board have found a lot of financial issues which if no action were taken would lead to administration - Last owners borrowed significantly against the club and many of these have only come to light since Ryan Whitcut left club. - The club has some significant holes in the budget (I genuinely didn't hear this figure due to the mic going and the gasps but I believe it was a massive amount. - The budgets set for 2014 are not realistic. Departments within club were given unrealistic expenditure which did not match the info given to RFL. - Clear that previous owners did not know how to run the club in best way. They eventually realised this and tried to get the right people in to run it but it was too late in season and GM did things behind OK and clubs back - Staff will be/have been cut from every department including the football department. - Players were told today of the findings. All players have been told that if they don't wish to stay at the club they are free to leave. The owners say that they understand that many have been through this before and understand that it is not a case of being disloyal. - Any players who chose to leave will be replaced, although this may not be like for like (i.e. position) - 2014 is about survival... that is objective number 1. - The owners are treating the club as a business and will not spend any more than what is coming in via income. - The constant rumours have unsettled sponsors and players so its even more difficult to attract them. - RHP refered to a game behind the game in the fact that agents, clubs and fans are spreading rumours and that mixed with lies from previous administration mean that the new owners have to be as transparent as possible without risking the business. Stuart Duffy explained that he put a rumour out years ago about Danny McGuire joining Bulls and other clubs are now doing the same to rock the boat... RHP "part of the game and we all know it" - The RFL have been very helpful (contrary to the previous owners comments). This shows in the fixture lists. - The RFL, club sponsors and now the fans are fully aware and have been supportive - Omar Khan invested some of his own money but the rest was via loans... stated Omar Khan will not get a penny back!!! - John Bateman sold without RHP, other directors or coaching staffs knowledge... authorised by Ryan Whitcut!!! - Coaching staff told that John Bateman would only go to Wigan and only when transfer fee offered did it get accepted. - Heath L'Estrange left for the good of his family (wife wanted to stay in Oz). One of biggest earners so tough decision for him to make. - Both departures were not hidden until after ST deadline... RHP swore down that this was the honest truth and that he didnt even know about JB until 5.30pm on day of transfer. - OK left Bulls in worse state than bought it. - Bars have been tendered out to another company (run Man Utd bars did I hear one person say?) - Franny said players response today was fantastic and whilst some may choose to go the senior players felt positive about the actions of the new owners. He said the spirit was still there and the players are more frustrated that what they are trying to do on the field has been risked off of it. - New owners said that the reason that ST holders were only invited tonight was that they were a stakeholder in the club having invested and they felt that along with sponsors deserved to know that they were doing everything in their power to turn club around. I'm sure there was more but I can't remember it right now....[/p][/quote]Yes that was a fair transcript, with some things I missed. Thanks for that, it certainly helps to have someone at the front who hears most of what was said. raisemeup

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