£29 million 'Highway To Health' cycling road scheme announced

The new highway to health was launched at the Skyride event in Centenary Square yesterday with, from left, Coun Val Slater, Coun James Lewis, chairman of Metro, and Coun Lucinda Yeadon, of Leeds Council

A plan of the new cycle routes

How the new cycle pathways would get round bus stops

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A new £29million ambitious ‘cycle superhighway’ between Bradford and Leeds has been approved – and it is hoped it will improve the economy, environment, road safety and people’s health.

The Department of Transport has today given the go-ahead for the cycle superhighway, dubbed ‘Highway to Health’, to create a 23-kilometre connection between the two cities.

The ambitious plans were submitted to the DfT in the form of a joint proposal between Metro, Leeds City Council and Bradford Council.

The plans will include an east/west cross-city superhighway consisting of largely segregated cycle provision, resurfacing of the Leeds-Liverpool Canal towpath between Shipley and Armley, secure bike parking areas, and 20mph zones for vehicles.

Upgrading the 14 miles of the Leeds-Liverpool Canal towpath means it will become the longest continuous cycleway in the north of England, connecting key employment and regeneration sites in both cities.

In Bradford, cycle lanes will be introduced on Leeds Old Road to its junction with Killinghall Road, and then in sections to the junction with Shipley Airedale Road. Existing cycle lanes will be upgraded along Church Bank through to the Westfield site and the city centre.

Up to £18million will come from the DfT for the project, with £11 million of local funding coming from the two councils and Metro.

Metro will pay around £7.5 million while Bradford Council will pay 25 per cent of the remainder and Leeds Council 75 per cent, reflecting the fact that a larger amount of the cycle superhighway will fall under Leeds Council’s remit.

Councillor Val Slater, Bradford Council's executive member for Transport, said: “This funding is fantastic and is a great boost for us to create a high quality cycle route between Leeds and Bradford. The funding will also be used to improve the towpath between Leeds and Shipley, create 20mph zones in communities along the route and create cycle parking facilities.

“It is an exciting initiative that will help encourage more people to make safer cycling journeys for both work and leisure. It should also give children more confidence to cycle and improve their physical activity and health.

“This will connect with some of the key employment sites in the area, so people will be able to look at alternative models of transport to work.

“It will help increase physical activity and get more people onto bikes.

“Part of it will go along Old Leeds Road, which include some of our most deprived communities, so a big part will be how we can encourage young people from that area who wouldn’t normally cycle to take it up.”

Coun James Lewis, chairman of Metro, said: “The ambition is that over the next ten years this route linking the city centres acts as a hub, and there are a lot more spokes being created that lead to other areas.

“There will also be projects to encourage people to get back on their bikes even though they might not have ridden in years. We want to get the number of people riding bikes regularly to grow.

“By providing safe, convenient and attractive links and connectivity with employment sites, areas of housing growth and key economic regeneration sites, it will encourage more people to use their bikes for commuting to and from work and help reduce the dependency on private cars.”

But Coun Glen Miller, leader of the Conservative group on the Council, said: “It is a surprise to me, although it comes as no surprise that I have not been told about it.

“It is yet another pie in the sky idea brought forward – and yet again opposition parties are not involved.”

He added: “We must remember road users pay a lot in petrol and road tax. And there are more road users than cyclists.”

Coun Jeanette Sunderland, leader of the Liberal Democrats on the Council and a keen cyclist, said: “I think, as a cyclist, I would really welcome more spaces for people to cycle in. But I am not sure of the benefit of cycling from Leeds to Bradford.

“Lots of people cycle from Leeds to Bradford along the canal anyway.”

She added that statistics showed more cyclists were getting hurt on Bradford’s roads. She said: “We need to encourage more safety on roads to get more people on their bikes. It is really risky cycling on Bradford’s roads.

“I welcome it as long as there are links to communities and we do stuff for young people. They need to be trained how to manage themselves on the road.”

The project will be completed by March 2015, with work starting before the end of the year following a consultation.

Metro, along with Bradford and Leeds Councils, with bid supporters Sustrans and CTC and British Cycling, are members of the Get Yorkshire Cycling regional initiative.

This aims to ensure that there is the widest possible cycling legacy as a result of hosting the 2014 Tour de France Grand Depart.

Statistics show that people in Bradford are less than satisfied with general and local area cycling provision. Route information and secure bike parking were the major annoyances.

The Department of Transport has said that £77 million will be divided between Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Newcastle, Bristol, Cambridge, Oxford and Norwich, while the New Forest, Peak District, South Downs and Dartmoor will each share a slice of £17 million funding for national parks.

The DfT said that the commitment to improved cycling facilities was intended to put Britain on a level-footing with countries known for higher levels of cycling like Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.

Prime Minister David Cameron said: “Following our success in the Olympics, the Paralympics and the Tour de France, British cycling is riding high – now we want to see cycling soar.”

The DfT is also currently working with highway authorities to trial a raft of measures to improve roads for cyclists.

These include mini-signals at cyclists’ eye height to give more targeted information to cyclists and the possibility of a head start at junctions along with filter signals for cyclists as an alternative way of providing a head start at traffic lights.

The DfT have also started a feasibility study to look into creating a new national cycleway broadly following the route of the HS2 rail line from London to Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester, and the creation of a new national School Awards Scheme to recognise schools that have demonstrated excellence in supporting cycling and walking.

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7:13am Mon 12 Aug 13

Albion. says...

As that route is already a cycle way (and reasonably well used), the idea of improving it slightly is reasonable, It's a lot of money to spend on it though.
As that route is already a cycle way (and reasonably well used), the idea of improving it slightly is reasonable, It's a lot of money to spend on it though. Albion.
  • Score: 3

7:22am Mon 12 Aug 13

Joedavid says...

Albion. wrote:
As that route is already a cycle way (and reasonably well used), the idea of improving it slightly is reasonable, It's a lot of money to spend on it though.
How come we can spend this sort of money at this time of supposedly the country is short of money.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: As that route is already a cycle way (and reasonably well used), the idea of improving it slightly is reasonable, It's a lot of money to spend on it though.[/p][/quote]How come we can spend this sort of money at this time of supposedly the country is short of money. Joedavid
  • Score: -5

7:24am Mon 12 Aug 13

Victor Clayton says...

Albion. wrote:
As that route is already a cycle way (and reasonably well used), the idea of improving it slightly is reasonable, It's a lot of money to spend on it though.
In winter it's a mud bath and not pleasant at all. I think it's great news.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: As that route is already a cycle way (and reasonably well used), the idea of improving it slightly is reasonable, It's a lot of money to spend on it though.[/p][/quote]In winter it's a mud bath and not pleasant at all. I think it's great news. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 18

7:48am Mon 12 Aug 13

collos25 says...

As a road cyclist the money would be better spent repairing the roads.
As a road cyclist the money would be better spent repairing the roads. collos25
  • Score: 8

7:51am Mon 12 Aug 13

-HCK3R- says...

You cant use existing cycle lanes on roads due to cars parking on them so whats the point of them ?
You cant use existing cycle lanes on roads due to cars parking on them so whats the point of them ? -HCK3R-
  • Score: 16

8:03am Mon 12 Aug 13

schroeder says...

Why would anyone want to cycle to Leeds? It's too far to cycle to work, and you won't be able to do much shopping.

I'd rather cycle in the other direction towards the countryside.
Why would anyone want to cycle to Leeds? It's too far to cycle to work, and you won't be able to do much shopping. I'd rather cycle in the other direction towards the countryside. schroeder
  • Score: 1

8:19am Mon 12 Aug 13

realcitygent says...

bradford council should save there money and maybe think about putting it towards more pound shops ,as we seem to be struggling for them ,why are thet throwing money away again on cycle path ,when are roads are a discrace ,anyway who would want to cycle from leeds to bradford its a **** hole
bradford council should save there money and maybe think about putting it towards more pound shops ,as we seem to be struggling for them ,why are thet throwing money away again on cycle path ,when are roads are a discrace ,anyway who would want to cycle from leeds to bradford its a **** hole realcitygent
  • Score: -16

8:24am Mon 12 Aug 13

bd7 helper says...

Need better road surfaces
Need better road surfaces bd7 helper
  • Score: 11

8:26am Mon 12 Aug 13

BierleyBoy says...

No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route
No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route BierleyBoy
  • Score: -13

8:49am Mon 12 Aug 13

dazbot says...

"We must remember road users pay a lot in petrol and road tax. And there are more road users than cyclists.”

Hey Mr Miller, there's no such thing as road tax any more. Didn't anyone tell you?
"We must remember road users pay a lot in petrol and road tax. And there are more road users than cyclists.” Hey Mr Miller, there's no such thing as road tax any more. Didn't anyone tell you? dazbot
  • Score: 19

8:54am Mon 12 Aug 13

dazbot says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route
"largely segregated cycle provision" This means it will be separate from tje road and pavement. Therefore it will be up to the pedestrian to use their eyes when crossing.
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route[/p][/quote]"largely segregated cycle provision" This means it will be separate from tje road and pavement. Therefore it will be up to the pedestrian to use their eyes when crossing. dazbot
  • Score: 6

8:57am Mon 12 Aug 13

dazbot says...

-HCK3R- wrote:
You cant use existing cycle lanes on roads due to cars parking on them so whats the point of them ?
Have a read of the article and check out the picture.
[quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: You cant use existing cycle lanes on roads due to cars parking on them so whats the point of them ?[/p][/quote]Have a read of the article and check out the picture. dazbot
  • Score: 0

8:57am Mon 12 Aug 13

Victor Clayton says...

what a bunch of old misery guts!
what a bunch of old misery guts! Victor Clayton
  • Score: 5

9:26am Mon 12 Aug 13

Stevie-C says...

I cycle from Bradford to Batley Carr (near Dewsbury) - any chance of a proper cycle path there? The majority of the cycle lane at the side of Bradford Road near Tesco is non-existent due to cars parking over it, and also the number of poor drivers is appalling. I almost got side-swiped by an oblivious copper the other week!!! Or maybe Kirklees Council could just do proper repairs on the roads as they are full of pot holes, in particular around the storm drains
I cycle from Bradford to Batley Carr (near Dewsbury) - any chance of a proper cycle path there? The majority of the cycle lane at the side of Bradford Road near Tesco is non-existent due to cars parking over it, and also the number of poor drivers is appalling. I almost got side-swiped by an oblivious copper the other week!!! Or maybe Kirklees Council could just do proper repairs on the roads as they are full of pot holes, in particular around the storm drains Stevie-C
  • Score: 2

9:28am Mon 12 Aug 13

Stevie-C says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route
As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules!
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route[/p][/quote]As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules! Stevie-C
  • Score: 7

10:05am Mon 12 Aug 13

UNCLE1 says...

It's fairly easy to cycle to Leeds from Thornbury. There is only Dawson's Corner to negotiate. Once past this attempt at suicide it is fairly easy down hill stuff. Returning from Leeds is a different story. Yes one can use the towpath, but the canal moves away from the Bradford direction heading for Greengates. Therefore, anyone attempting to cycle to Bradford will need to leave the canal at Armley. This is where the hills start to happen.

The slow crawl up towards Bramley; the crawl up from Pudsey; another attempt at suicide at Dawson's Corner; similar terrorism at Pudsey Barracks; the long slog avoiding Thornbury roundabout by 'getting off' and pushing along the pavement, and then a plethora of Bradford Taxi Drivers.

So if the Council has found ways of avoiding that lot I'm all for it. I'd suggest that there is a Bus service from Leeds for carrying cycles and cycling passengers. There are enough no.72 busses for the occasional cycle carrier to be included. This journey should be half price making it affordable and encouraging exercise. To do anything else is to waste money.
It's fairly easy to cycle to Leeds from Thornbury. There is only Dawson's Corner to negotiate. Once past this attempt at suicide it is fairly easy down hill stuff. Returning from Leeds is a different story. Yes one can use the towpath, but the canal moves away from the Bradford direction heading for Greengates. Therefore, anyone attempting to cycle to Bradford will need to leave the canal at Armley. This is where the hills start to happen. The slow crawl up towards Bramley; the crawl up from Pudsey; another attempt at suicide at Dawson's Corner; similar terrorism at Pudsey Barracks; the long slog avoiding Thornbury roundabout by 'getting off' and pushing along the pavement, and then a plethora of Bradford Taxi Drivers. So if the Council has found ways of avoiding that lot I'm all for it. I'd suggest that there is a Bus service from Leeds for carrying cycles and cycling passengers. There are enough no.72 busses for the occasional cycle carrier to be included. This journey should be half price making it affordable and encouraging exercise. To do anything else is to waste money. UNCLE1
  • Score: 10

10:11am Mon 12 Aug 13

Apollo says...

Over £1m per km! What are they doing? Paving it with gold?

Utter nonsense. There already exists a cycle path between Bradford and Leeds alongside the canal. It's called a towpath. Spend the money on that.
Over £1m per km! What are they doing? Paving it with gold? Utter nonsense. There already exists a cycle path between Bradford and Leeds alongside the canal. It's called a towpath. Spend the money on that. Apollo
  • Score: -10

10:28am Mon 12 Aug 13

yorkshiredude says...

Apollo wrote:
Over £1m per km! What are they doing? Paving it with gold?

Utter nonsense. There already exists a cycle path between Bradford and Leeds alongside the canal. It's called a towpath. Spend the money on that.
Only that links Leeds to Shipley, not Leeds to Bradford. And they are spending money on that, as it says in the article.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Over £1m per km! What are they doing? Paving it with gold? Utter nonsense. There already exists a cycle path between Bradford and Leeds alongside the canal. It's called a towpath. Spend the money on that.[/p][/quote]Only that links Leeds to Shipley, not Leeds to Bradford. And they are spending money on that, as it says in the article. yorkshiredude
  • Score: 9

10:36am Mon 12 Aug 13

Andy2010 says...

Another stupid incentive which will benefit only a few.

Do they seriously believe even if they made the most secure and pleasant cycling experience people will simply give up their cars or public transport and cycle x amount of miles into work everyday

No they wont.. therefore its just a waste of money
Another stupid incentive which will benefit only a few. Do they seriously believe even if they made the most secure and pleasant cycling experience people will simply give up their cars or public transport and cycle x amount of miles into work everyday No they wont.. therefore its just a waste of money Andy2010
  • Score: -11

10:38am Mon 12 Aug 13

Albion. says...

dazbot wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route
"largely segregated cycle provision" This means it will be separate from tje road and pavement. Therefore it will be up to the pedestrian to use their eyes when crossing.
It will still be a walkway as well. Cyclists will probably be tempted to go much faster on a better surface, there is also the wildlife to consider.
[quote][p][bold]dazbot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route[/p][/quote]"largely segregated cycle provision" This means it will be separate from tje road and pavement. Therefore it will be up to the pedestrian to use their eyes when crossing.[/p][/quote]It will still be a walkway as well. Cyclists will probably be tempted to go much faster on a better surface, there is also the wildlife to consider. Albion.
  • Score: -4

10:40am Mon 12 Aug 13

Albion. says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Another stupid incentive which will benefit only a few.

Do they seriously believe even if they made the most secure and pleasant cycling experience people will simply give up their cars or public transport and cycle x amount of miles into work everyday

No they wont.. therefore its just a waste of money
It might attract a few off-roaders and quads.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Another stupid incentive which will benefit only a few. Do they seriously believe even if they made the most secure and pleasant cycling experience people will simply give up their cars or public transport and cycle x amount of miles into work everyday No they wont.. therefore its just a waste of money[/p][/quote]It might attract a few off-roaders and quads. Albion.
  • Score: -2

11:08am Mon 12 Aug 13

Andy2010 says...

Albion. wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Another stupid incentive which will benefit only a few.

Do they seriously believe even if they made the most secure and pleasant cycling experience people will simply give up their cars or public transport and cycle x amount of miles into work everyday

No they wont.. therefore its just a waste of money
It might attract a few off-roaders and quads.
nah they just screw the hell out of their quads on the main roads

I think they also have a uniform of taking their tops off. After all why bother with leathers or protective clothing when you have them two extra wheels

Do these idiots seriously think they look good lol
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: Another stupid incentive which will benefit only a few. Do they seriously believe even if they made the most secure and pleasant cycling experience people will simply give up their cars or public transport and cycle x amount of miles into work everyday No they wont.. therefore its just a waste of money[/p][/quote]It might attract a few off-roaders and quads.[/p][/quote]nah they just screw the hell out of their quads on the main roads I think they also have a uniform of taking their tops off. After all why bother with leathers or protective clothing when you have them two extra wheels Do these idiots seriously think they look good lol Andy2010
  • Score: 4

11:09am Mon 12 Aug 13

johnhem says...

UNCLE1 wrote:
It's fairly easy to cycle to Leeds from Thornbury. There is only Dawson's Corner to negotiate. Once past this attempt at suicide it is fairly easy down hill stuff. Returning from Leeds is a different story. Yes one can use the towpath, but the canal moves away from the Bradford direction heading for Greengates. Therefore, anyone attempting to cycle to Bradford will need to leave the canal at Armley. This is where the hills start to happen.

The slow crawl up towards Bramley; the crawl up from Pudsey; another attempt at suicide at Dawson's Corner; similar terrorism at Pudsey Barracks; the long slog avoiding Thornbury roundabout by 'getting off' and pushing along the pavement, and then a plethora of Bradford Taxi Drivers.

So if the Council has found ways of avoiding that lot I'm all for it. I'd suggest that there is a Bus service from Leeds for carrying cycles and cycling passengers. There are enough no.72 busses for the occasional cycle carrier to be included. This journey should be half price making it affordable and encouraging exercise. To do anything else is to waste money.
you hit on the nail there. so many hills it will only be the dedicated cyclist that attempts it so too much money that could be better used improving the roads, which would also benefit cyclists.
stevie-c, as for being unable to use the cycle lane for parked cars just where do you expect them to park? miles away from where they need to be? as it looks like a dedicated cycle route I take that to mean not actually on the road so that wouldn't make any difference.
a point has also been made about speed camera's, though how that could work without some means of identifying individual cyclists god knows.
is there going to be a charge for the cyclists? like insurance as you are putting them on a route with pedestrians, or some form of tax like car drivers must have to use the roads? if there is i'm all for it, if not 100% against.
[quote][p][bold]UNCLE1[/bold] wrote: It's fairly easy to cycle to Leeds from Thornbury. There is only Dawson's Corner to negotiate. Once past this attempt at suicide it is fairly easy down hill stuff. Returning from Leeds is a different story. Yes one can use the towpath, but the canal moves away from the Bradford direction heading for Greengates. Therefore, anyone attempting to cycle to Bradford will need to leave the canal at Armley. This is where the hills start to happen. The slow crawl up towards Bramley; the crawl up from Pudsey; another attempt at suicide at Dawson's Corner; similar terrorism at Pudsey Barracks; the long slog avoiding Thornbury roundabout by 'getting off' and pushing along the pavement, and then a plethora of Bradford Taxi Drivers. So if the Council has found ways of avoiding that lot I'm all for it. I'd suggest that there is a Bus service from Leeds for carrying cycles and cycling passengers. There are enough no.72 busses for the occasional cycle carrier to be included. This journey should be half price making it affordable and encouraging exercise. To do anything else is to waste money.[/p][/quote]you hit on the nail there. so many hills it will only be the dedicated cyclist that attempts it so too much money that could be better used improving the roads, which would also benefit cyclists. stevie-c, as for being unable to use the cycle lane for parked cars just where do you expect them to park? miles away from where they need to be? as it looks like a dedicated cycle route I take that to mean not actually on the road so that wouldn't make any difference. a point has also been made about speed camera's, though how that could work without some means of identifying individual cyclists god knows. is there going to be a charge for the cyclists? like insurance as you are putting them on a route with pedestrians, or some form of tax like car drivers must have to use the roads? if there is i'm all for it, if not 100% against. johnhem
  • Score: -6

11:25am Mon 12 Aug 13

newspeter says...

schroeder wrote:
Why would anyone want to cycle to Leeds? It's too far to cycle to work, and you won't be able to do much shopping. I'd rather cycle in the other direction towards the countryside.
I.m a 71 year old cyclist averageing over 200 miles per week and welcome any improvement ,updating and new infracstructure that will make cycling more safe.In particular attention to rutted road surfaces near the kirb side.I am a car driver as well and get a perspective from both sides
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone want to cycle to Leeds? It's too far to cycle to work, and you won't be able to do much shopping. I'd rather cycle in the other direction towards the countryside.[/p][/quote]I.m a 71 year old cyclist averageing over 200 miles per week and welcome any improvement ,updating and new infracstructure that will make cycling more safe.In particular attention to rutted road surfaces near the kirb side.I am a car driver as well and get a perspective from both sides newspeter
  • Score: 20

11:48am Mon 12 Aug 13

Adeybull says...

This "Superhighway" is crazy. Fine for somewhere flat like Cambridge, or even gently undulating like many Midlands cities. Absurd for the hilly Pennines. In the main, apart from the very fit, the only people who will be able to cycle to work, without having to then work all day having been hot and sweaty and wearing sweaty clothes, are those fortunate enough to have shower and changing facilities at work. How many employees, especially in the private sector, have that luxury?

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Bradford's dreadful roads and junctions act as a massive deterrent to any business considering investing in - and creating jobs in - the city. How many new jobs will this create in Bradford? Go on Bradford Council, pray enlighten us?

And I just wonder how they will manage to keep a clear cycle lane down the chaos that Leeds Old Road has become in recent years, where you have to have eyes in all sides of your head as it is.

"The DfT said that the commitment to improved cycling facilities was intended to put Britain on a level-footing with countries known for higher levels of cycling like Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands. " - Don't those muppets realise that much of Germany and most of the other two countries are much less hilly than the UK? Especially up here? Last time I looked, there were no hills in Amsterdam...

You could not make it up.
This "Superhighway" is crazy. Fine for somewhere flat like Cambridge, or even gently undulating like many Midlands cities. Absurd for the hilly Pennines. In the main, apart from the very fit, the only people who will be able to cycle to work, without having to then work all day having been hot and sweaty and wearing sweaty clothes, are those fortunate enough to have shower and changing facilities at work. How many employees, especially in the private sector, have that luxury? Meanwhile, back in the real world, Bradford's dreadful roads and junctions act as a massive deterrent to any business considering investing in - and creating jobs in - the city. How many new jobs will this create in Bradford? Go on Bradford Council, pray enlighten us? And I just wonder how they will manage to keep a clear cycle lane down the chaos that Leeds Old Road has become in recent years, where you have to have eyes in all sides of your head as it is. "The DfT said that the commitment to improved cycling facilities was intended to put Britain on a level-footing with countries known for higher levels of cycling like Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands. " - Don't those muppets realise that much of Germany and most of the other two countries are much less hilly than the UK? Especially up here? Last time I looked, there were no hills in Amsterdam... You could not make it up. Adeybull
  • Score: -11

12:06pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Bantamzen says...

I have to be honest & agree with others who suggest that the Bradford-Thornbury-A
rmley section of this route might only attract a minimal amount of users, especially given the fun you can have going up Leeds Road. And of course Leeds Road is particually narrow from the Shipley/Airedale road through to Thornbury so it would be difficult to impossible to include those bus stop by-passes.

As for the improvements to the canal tow-path, as long as the work is mindful of the wildlife, and includes barriers to prevent motorbikes, quads & cars going down them then these would be welcome. Of course for any cyclist taking advantage of these routes, they should always bear in mind that it is people on foot that have right of way.
I have to be honest & agree with others who suggest that the Bradford-Thornbury-A rmley section of this route might only attract a minimal amount of users, especially given the fun you can have going up Leeds Road. And of course Leeds Road is particually narrow from the Shipley/Airedale road through to Thornbury so it would be difficult to impossible to include those bus stop by-passes. As for the improvements to the canal tow-path, as long as the work is mindful of the wildlife, and includes barriers to prevent motorbikes, quads & cars going down them then these would be welcome. Of course for any cyclist taking advantage of these routes, they should always bear in mind that it is people on foot that have right of way. Bantamzen
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Mon 12 Aug 13

dazbot says...

Bantamzen wrote:
I have to be honest & agree with others who suggest that the Bradford-Thornbury-A

rmley section of this route might only attract a minimal amount of users, especially given the fun you can have going up Leeds Road. And of course Leeds Road is particually narrow from the Shipley/Airedale road through to Thornbury so it would be difficult to impossible to include those bus stop by-passes.

As for the improvements to the canal tow-path, as long as the work is mindful of the wildlife, and includes barriers to prevent motorbikes, quads & cars going down them then these would be welcome. Of course for any cyclist taking advantage of these routes, they should always bear in mind that it is people on foot that have right of way.
There are no statutory rights of way on a towpath. We all need to share then equally and respectfully.
[quote][p][bold]Bantamzen[/bold] wrote: I have to be honest & agree with others who suggest that the Bradford-Thornbury-A rmley section of this route might only attract a minimal amount of users, especially given the fun you can have going up Leeds Road. And of course Leeds Road is particually narrow from the Shipley/Airedale road through to Thornbury so it would be difficult to impossible to include those bus stop by-passes. As for the improvements to the canal tow-path, as long as the work is mindful of the wildlife, and includes barriers to prevent motorbikes, quads & cars going down them then these would be welcome. Of course for any cyclist taking advantage of these routes, they should always bear in mind that it is people on foot that have right of way.[/p][/quote]There are no statutory rights of way on a towpath. We all need to share then equally and respectfully. dazbot
  • Score: 11

12:42pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Adeybull says...

Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities.

I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities. I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds... Adeybull
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Andy2010 says...

Adeybull wrote:
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities.

I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...
I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities. I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...[/p][/quote]I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH Andy2010
  • Score: 2

1:34pm Mon 12 Aug 13

scottie dog says...

Ah, cycling the new flavour of the month or year, gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "if you want a job get on your bike," I wonder if this fad will quickly fade as soon as the grand depart has departed.
Ah, cycling the new flavour of the month or year, gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "if you want a job get on your bike," I wonder if this fad will quickly fade as soon as the grand depart has departed. scottie dog
  • Score: -11

1:43pm Mon 12 Aug 13

mr-dog says...

Just let cyclists ride on the pavements.

Most pedestrians in Bradford just seem to wander aimlessly in the road anyway.
Just let cyclists ride on the pavements. Most pedestrians in Bradford just seem to wander aimlessly in the road anyway. mr-dog
  • Score: -9

1:58pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Crimsoman says...

Here we go again! Second fiddle to L**ds!
Any money spent in Bradford should to go towards improving cycle lanes outwards from the City centre to places north & west of Bradford . The cycle lanes are usually full of patched up road works these days. The white markings are well worn. Also the lanes are usually full of grit and other debris which needs cleaning up regularly (Bradford Council please note) Sustrans should be working with the Canal Trust to improve the towpath from Keighley to Skipton. This would encourage far more cyclists that Shipley to Leeds. I can't see much increased cycling between Bradford & Leeds via a 'Super Highway' either.
Also Councillor Miller should know that there is no such think as Road Tax. It is vehicle tax. Vehickle tax goes straight to the Exchequer and not to roads. Road funding comes from normal taxation. i.e from car drivers and cyclists.
I am both Cyclist and car driver and I am fully insuranced for both types of transport
Here we go again! Second fiddle to L**ds! Any money spent in Bradford should to go towards improving cycle lanes outwards from the City centre to places north & west of Bradford . The cycle lanes are usually full of patched up road works these days. The white markings are well worn. Also the lanes are usually full of grit and other debris which needs cleaning up regularly (Bradford Council please note) Sustrans should be working with the Canal Trust to improve the towpath from Keighley to Skipton. This would encourage far more cyclists that Shipley to Leeds. I can't see much increased cycling between Bradford & Leeds via a 'Super Highway' either. Also Councillor Miller should know that there is no such think as Road Tax. It is vehicle tax. Vehickle tax goes straight to the Exchequer and not to roads. Road funding comes from normal taxation. i.e from car drivers and cyclists. I am both Cyclist and car driver and I am fully insuranced for both types of transport Crimsoman
  • Score: 5

2:04pm Mon 12 Aug 13

BierleyBoy says...

Stevie-C wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route
As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules!
Yet another who hasn't picked up on the irony. If you take a look at London, the number of collisions between cyclist & pedestrians are increasing due to cyclist behaving like the motorists they themselves point the finger at for inconsiderate & dangerous behaviour.

I'd have thought the canal side routes would have been dual use, and it's also amusing to read people saying it's up to pedestrians to watch where they cross the road...unless it's a car that hits them & then all you hear about is bad driving....
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route[/p][/quote]As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules![/p][/quote]Yet another who hasn't picked up on the irony. If you take a look at London, the number of collisions between cyclist & pedestrians are increasing due to cyclist behaving like the motorists they themselves point the finger at for inconsiderate & dangerous behaviour. I'd have thought the canal side routes would have been dual use, and it's also amusing to read people saying it's up to pedestrians to watch where they cross the road...unless it's a car that hits them & then all you hear about is bad driving.... BierleyBoy
  • Score: -7

2:15pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Superdoo says...

Anything to get cyclists off the roads. Sick of them zig-zagging in and out of real traffic and then moaning when they get knocked off their bikes. I pay to use the roads, they don't, so they're not entitled to an opinion as to how they're managed. Get off my roads!!
Anything to get cyclists off the roads. Sick of them zig-zagging in and out of real traffic and then moaning when they get knocked off their bikes. I pay to use the roads, they don't, so they're not entitled to an opinion as to how they're managed. Get off my roads!! Superdoo
  • Score: -17

2:19pm Mon 12 Aug 13

dazbot says...

How do you pay to use the roads? There isn't a road tax any more.
How do you pay to use the roads? There isn't a road tax any more. dazbot
  • Score: 5

2:34pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Stevie-C says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities.

I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...
I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH
maybe thats why this city is failing. you could always sell up and go live there...
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities. I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...[/p][/quote]I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH[/p][/quote]maybe thats why this city is failing. you could always sell up and go live there... Stevie-C
  • Score: 0

2:47pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Stevie-C says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route
As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules!
Yet another who hasn't picked up on the irony. If you take a look at London, the number of collisions between cyclist & pedestrians are increasing due to cyclist behaving like the motorists they themselves point the finger at for inconsiderate & dangerous behaviour.

I'd have thought the canal side routes would have been dual use, and it's also amusing to read people saying it's up to pedestrians to watch where they cross the road...unless it's a car that hits them & then all you hear about is bad driving....
London? you can't compare our experiences with the rat race of London. And i'd happily use the canal towpath if it went from Bradford to Batley...As a motorist and cyclist, I see pro's & cons of both however a bit of commonsense from all road users and it would be a much more harmonious ride home
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route[/p][/quote]As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules![/p][/quote]Yet another who hasn't picked up on the irony. If you take a look at London, the number of collisions between cyclist & pedestrians are increasing due to cyclist behaving like the motorists they themselves point the finger at for inconsiderate & dangerous behaviour. I'd have thought the canal side routes would have been dual use, and it's also amusing to read people saying it's up to pedestrians to watch where they cross the road...unless it's a car that hits them & then all you hear about is bad driving....[/p][/quote]London? you can't compare our experiences with the rat race of London. And i'd happily use the canal towpath if it went from Bradford to Batley...As a motorist and cyclist, I see pro's & cons of both however a bit of commonsense from all road users and it would be a much more harmonious ride home Stevie-C
  • Score: 8

2:59pm Mon 12 Aug 13

linebacker2 says...

£29 million? Wouldn't it be cheaper to provide cyclists with taxis??
£29 million? Wouldn't it be cheaper to provide cyclists with taxis?? linebacker2
  • Score: -5

3:12pm Mon 12 Aug 13

yorkshiredude says...

Also, Cllr Miller - this is part of £148m from DfT, compared to the £28 BILLION the Government are seeking to spend on road building.
Also, Cllr Miller - this is part of £148m from DfT, compared to the £28 BILLION the Government are seeking to spend on road building. yorkshiredude
  • Score: 8

3:13pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Andy2010 says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities.

I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...
I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH
maybe thats why this city is failing. you could always sell up and go live there...
Would if could afford it
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities. I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...[/p][/quote]I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH[/p][/quote]maybe thats why this city is failing. you could always sell up and go live there...[/p][/quote]Would if could afford it Andy2010
  • Score: 0

3:18pm Mon 12 Aug 13

linebacker2 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities.

I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...
I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH
Burmantofts, Bramley, Beeston, Belle Isle

And that's just some of the dumps in Leeds starting with a "B" which I'm sure you could afford to move to.....
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities. I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...[/p][/quote]I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH[/p][/quote]Burmantofts, Bramley, Beeston, Belle Isle And that's just some of the dumps in Leeds starting with a "B" which I'm sure you could afford to move to..... linebacker2
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Mon 12 Aug 13

vbfg says...

linebacker2 wrote:
£29 million? Wouldn't it be cheaper to provide cyclists with taxis??
No, it wouldn't. Hope this helps.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: £29 million? Wouldn't it be cheaper to provide cyclists with taxis??[/p][/quote]No, it wouldn't. Hope this helps. vbfg
  • Score: 10

5:37pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Andy2010 says...

linebacker2 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities.

I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...
I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH
Burmantofts, Bramley, Beeston, Belle Isle

And that's just some of the dumps in Leeds starting with a "B" which I'm sure you could afford to move to.....
Indeed they are...well done

Did you not get round to the letter C when you went to school?
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities. I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...[/p][/quote]I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH[/p][/quote]Burmantofts, Bramley, Beeston, Belle Isle And that's just some of the dumps in Leeds starting with a "B" which I'm sure you could afford to move to.....[/p][/quote]Indeed they are...well done Did you not get round to the letter C when you went to school? Andy2010
  • Score: 4

5:48pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Bantamzen says...

dazbot wrote:
Bantamzen wrote:
I have to be honest & agree with others who suggest that the Bradford-Thornbury-A


rmley section of this route might only attract a minimal amount of users, especially given the fun you can have going up Leeds Road. And of course Leeds Road is particually narrow from the Shipley/Airedale road through to Thornbury so it would be difficult to impossible to include those bus stop by-passes.

As for the improvements to the canal tow-path, as long as the work is mindful of the wildlife, and includes barriers to prevent motorbikes, quads & cars going down them then these would be welcome. Of course for any cyclist taking advantage of these routes, they should always bear in mind that it is people on foot that have right of way.
There are no statutory rights of way on a towpath. We all need to share then equally and respectfully.
Actually, most of the tow paths are owned by British Waterways & they have a code of conduct for cyclists. If you look carefully along the Leeds/Liverpool canal & you'll see the signs. Taken from their website:

"3. Pedestrians have priority towpaths are ‘Greenways’ or shared use routes where pedestrians have priority and vehicles, except bicycles and mobility aids, are generally excluded. "

http://canalrivertru
st.org.uk/walking-an
d-cycling-in-londons
-greatest-park/share
-the-space-drop-your
-pace
[quote][p][bold]dazbot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantamzen[/bold] wrote: I have to be honest & agree with others who suggest that the Bradford-Thornbury-A rmley section of this route might only attract a minimal amount of users, especially given the fun you can have going up Leeds Road. And of course Leeds Road is particually narrow from the Shipley/Airedale road through to Thornbury so it would be difficult to impossible to include those bus stop by-passes. As for the improvements to the canal tow-path, as long as the work is mindful of the wildlife, and includes barriers to prevent motorbikes, quads & cars going down them then these would be welcome. Of course for any cyclist taking advantage of these routes, they should always bear in mind that it is people on foot that have right of way.[/p][/quote]There are no statutory rights of way on a towpath. We all need to share then equally and respectfully.[/p][/quote]Actually, most of the tow paths are owned by British Waterways & they have a code of conduct for cyclists. If you look carefully along the Leeds/Liverpool canal & you'll see the signs. Taken from their website: "3. Pedestrians have priority towpaths are ‘Greenways’ or shared use routes where pedestrians have priority and vehicles, except bicycles and mobility aids, are generally excluded. " http://canalrivertru st.org.uk/walking-an d-cycling-in-londons -greatest-park/share -the-space-drop-your -pace Bantamzen
  • Score: 1

7:32pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Victor Clayton says...

Andy2010 wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities.

I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...
I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH
Burmantofts, Bramley, Beeston, Belle Isle

And that's just some of the dumps in Leeds starting with a "B" which I'm sure you could afford to move to.....
Indeed they are...well done

Did you not get round to the letter C when you went to school?
What you seem to be saying is, ok, you are spending 29 million. But don't give Bradford any of it. It's not worth bothering with.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: Incidentally, for the avoidance of doubt: I own a bike; and if this was a city without the hills, and without the obstacle course roads that I can't see changing, would be far more supportive of the "Superhighway". However, as it is not, I think we have much more pressing priorities. I also note that on the BBC website (for example) this is stated as being a scheme for "Leeds". No mention of Bradford. Shows what the Powers That Be really think, eh? Welcome to this suburb of the Leeds City Region, where we watch ever more jobs be moved from Bradford to the centre of this "City Region". Which just happens to be Leeds...[/p][/quote]I'd rather be associated with Leeds than Bradford TBH[/p][/quote]Burmantofts, Bramley, Beeston, Belle Isle And that's just some of the dumps in Leeds starting with a "B" which I'm sure you could afford to move to.....[/p][/quote]Indeed they are...well done Did you not get round to the letter C when you went to school?[/p][/quote]What you seem to be saying is, ok, you are spending 29 million. But don't give Bradford any of it. It's not worth bothering with. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 2

8:16pm Mon 12 Aug 13

mad matt says...

I hope they've priced in the cost of a fleet of RIBs and their crews to fish some of the cyclists out of the water after they've fallen in't cut due to swerving to miss aforementioned pedestrians or another speeding cyclist,
It should be quite entertaining when it's up and running!
I hope they've priced in the cost of a fleet of RIBs and their crews to fish some of the cyclists out of the water after they've fallen in't cut due to swerving to miss aforementioned pedestrians or another speeding cyclist, It should be quite entertaining when it's up and running! mad matt
  • Score: -1

9:44pm Mon 12 Aug 13

Big_Biscuit says...

£29 million !!!!! Surely not. I do not believe it.
£29 million !!!!! Surely not. I do not believe it. Big_Biscuit
  • Score: -3

11:51pm Mon 12 Aug 13

johnhem says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route
As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules!
Yet another who hasn't picked up on the irony. If you take a look at London, the number of collisions between cyclist & pedestrians are increasing due to cyclist behaving like the motorists they themselves point the finger at for inconsiderate & dangerous behaviour.

I'd have thought the canal side routes would have been dual use, and it's also amusing to read people saying it's up to pedestrians to watch where they cross the road...unless it's a car that hits them & then all you hear about is bad driving....
I used to deliver regularly in London, cyclists there are suicidal. I once saw one cross 3 lanes of traffic when they changed to amber and cut across us all to turn left. when he was knocked off by a young lady in a smart car she was visibly upset at what SHE had done, even though it was totally his fault. he deserved every scratch and scrape and should have apologised but guess what... he went on a foul mouthed tirade at her. the lights were green as she set off so no way was it her fault.
the canal path, were I to want to use it, would be a 6 mile detour to apperley bridge or I could find somewhere further along, though if I did i'd almost be in leeds anyway so no point.
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: No mention of any speed or cycle lane cameras to protect pedestrians from mad cyclists on this new route[/p][/quote]As it is a dedicated Cycle Route, wouldn't cyclists have the right of way? Should pedestrians be on it at all?? By the way these are questions not statements, as I am not sure of the rules![/p][/quote]Yet another who hasn't picked up on the irony. If you take a look at London, the number of collisions between cyclist & pedestrians are increasing due to cyclist behaving like the motorists they themselves point the finger at for inconsiderate & dangerous behaviour. I'd have thought the canal side routes would have been dual use, and it's also amusing to read people saying it's up to pedestrians to watch where they cross the road...unless it's a car that hits them & then all you hear about is bad driving....[/p][/quote]I used to deliver regularly in London, cyclists there are suicidal. I once saw one cross 3 lanes of traffic when they changed to amber and cut across us all to turn left. when he was knocked off by a young lady in a smart car she was visibly upset at what SHE had done, even though it was totally his fault. he deserved every scratch and scrape and should have apologised but guess what... he went on a foul mouthed tirade at her. the lights were green as she set off so no way was it her fault. the canal path, were I to want to use it, would be a 6 mile detour to apperley bridge or I could find somewhere further along, though if I did i'd almost be in leeds anyway so no point. johnhem
  • Score: -2

1:08am Tue 13 Aug 13

Raj2121 says...

What a waste of money, you would have to be super fit to peddle from bradford to leeds and back, that money can be put to better use, example fix the roads help the homless, or put it towards the big massive hole in bradford city centre, useless council we have,
I have stopped shopping in bradford since a long time and i know many others who have, i would rather travel a little longer and go to whiterose shopping center or trafford center....
Stay well away from bradford city center....
What a waste of money, you would have to be super fit to peddle from bradford to leeds and back, that money can be put to better use, example fix the roads help the homless, or put it towards the big massive hole in bradford city centre, useless council we have, I have stopped shopping in bradford since a long time and i know many others who have, i would rather travel a little longer and go to whiterose shopping center or trafford center.... Stay well away from bradford city center.... Raj2121
  • Score: -11

7:59am Tue 13 Aug 13

Victor Clayton says...

Raj2121 wrote:
What a waste of money, you would have to be super fit to peddle from bradford to leeds and back, that money can be put to better use, example fix the roads help the homless, or put it towards the big massive hole in bradford city centre, useless council we have,
I have stopped shopping in bradford since a long time and i know many others who have, i would rather travel a little longer and go to whiterose shopping center or trafford center....
Stay well away from bradford city center....
Raj, a super fit cyclist would think nothing of cycling 70 miles in a day. A reasonably fit one could do it easily.
[quote][p][bold]Raj2121[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money, you would have to be super fit to peddle from bradford to leeds and back, that money can be put to better use, example fix the roads help the homless, or put it towards the big massive hole in bradford city centre, useless council we have, I have stopped shopping in bradford since a long time and i know many others who have, i would rather travel a little longer and go to whiterose shopping center or trafford center.... Stay well away from bradford city center....[/p][/quote]Raj, a super fit cyclist would think nothing of cycling 70 miles in a day. A reasonably fit one could do it easily. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 6

5:52pm Wed 14 Aug 13

collos25 says...

I ride to Otley from Bradford three days a week were we meet then go on a 100 mile ride ,Bradford to Leeds and back you wouldn,t even break breath.
I ride to Otley from Bradford three days a week were we meet then go on a 100 mile ride ,Bradford to Leeds and back you wouldn,t even break breath. collos25
  • Score: 3

7:24pm Wed 14 Aug 13

manglersfc says...

Put it into perspective. £29 million for a few cyclists. £50 thousand to improve city centre shops in Bradford. When did the lunatics escape?

Also check out the cost of the parking facilities for the (estimated) number of cyclists - £12,000 each per year!!! I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room. Wake me up when sanity returns........
Put it into perspective. £29 million for a few cyclists. £50 thousand to improve city centre shops in Bradford. When did the lunatics escape? Also check out the cost of the parking facilities for the (estimated) number of cyclists - £12,000 each per year!!! I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room. Wake me up when sanity returns........ manglersfc
  • Score: -5

8:39pm Wed 14 Aug 13

dazbot says...

manglersfc wrote:
Put it into perspective. £29 million for a few cyclists. £50 thousand to improve city centre shops in Bradford. When did the lunatics escape?

Also check out the cost of the parking facilities for the (estimated) number of cyclists - £12,000 each per year!!! I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room. Wake me up when sanity returns........
Actually the amount Bradford council has to put forward to this is 850000.

"Up to £18million will come from the DfT for the project, with £11 million of local funding coming from the two councils and Metro.Metro will pay around £7.5 million while Bradford Council will pay 25 per cent of the remainder and Leeds Council 75 per cent"
[quote][p][bold]manglersfc[/bold] wrote: Put it into perspective. £29 million for a few cyclists. £50 thousand to improve city centre shops in Bradford. When did the lunatics escape? Also check out the cost of the parking facilities for the (estimated) number of cyclists - £12,000 each per year!!! I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room. Wake me up when sanity returns........[/p][/quote]Actually the amount Bradford council has to put forward to this is 850000. "Up to £18million will come from the DfT for the project, with £11 million of local funding coming from the two councils and Metro.Metro will pay around £7.5 million while Bradford Council will pay 25 per cent of the remainder and Leeds Council 75 per cent" dazbot
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3:54pm Thu 15 Aug 13

baretruth says...

manglersfc wrote:
Put it into perspective. £29 million for a few cyclists. £50 thousand to improve city centre shops in Bradford. When did the lunatics escape?

Also check out the cost of the parking facilities for the (estimated) number of cyclists - £12,000 each per year!!! I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room. Wake me up when sanity returns........
can i join you!!
manglersfc wrote: Put it into perspective. £29 million for a few cyclists. £50 thousand to improve city centre shops in Bradford. When did the lunatics escape? Also check out the cost of the parking facilities for the (estimated) number of cyclists - £12,000 each per year!!! I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room. Wake me up when sanity returns........ can i join you!! baretruth
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6:18pm Sat 7 Sep 13

pokertee says...

I am opening a cycle shop in bradford soon where you can ride to work or shopping and leave your bike in a secure environment inside a cycle park shop that also does upgrades and repairs while you are away from your bike. Any interest please mail me. teepeeservices@hotma
il.co.uk
I am opening a cycle shop in bradford soon where you can ride to work or shopping and leave your bike in a secure environment inside a cycle park shop that also does upgrades and repairs while you are away from your bike. Any interest please mail me. teepeeservices@hotma il.co.uk pokertee
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