Bradford Council waste permit plan for residents dubbed 'madness'

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Coun Andrew Thornton Coun Andrew Thornton

People will have to show a permit proving they are Bradford Council taxpayers before they are allowed to use the authority’s waste tips under controversial new rules which come into force next month.

But the scheme, brought in by the Labour-run authority, has been labelled as “hare-brained” and “costly control-freakery” by other political group leaders who have warned it could lead to more flytipping.

The permits are being introduced with the aim of saving up to £160,000 a year by stopping householders from neighbouring authorities using the district’s dumps to get rid of their rubbish or recycling.

But residents have only been finding out about them in literature attached to their 2013/14 Council Tax bills.

It has left the Council’s Conservative and Liberal Democrat group leaders both condemning the scheme and the way it had been announced.

Tory leader Councillor Glen Miller said: “There has been no correspondence about it, I knew nothing about it.

“This authority seem to do things without thinking them through.”

He said he was worried people would turn up at waste sites without permits, would be refused entry and would then dump their waste outside the gates.

Councillor Jeanelle Sunderland, the Liberal Democrat leader, branded the new scheme “costly control-freakery”.

She said she first learned of the scheme when she read a leaflet which arrived with her council tax bill.

She said: “It’s madness. I thought I was opening my council tax bill on April Fool’s Day.

“It’s an absolutely crazy idea. There’s no way that this is going to work.

“It will lead to an increase in fly-tipping because people just won’t be bothered. And people will just dump stuff in their bins so we will end up with more stuff being sent to landfill.”

Defending the scheme, Councillor Andrew Thornton, the Council’s executive member for environment and sustainability, said: “After monitoring the use of household waste recycling centres, Bradford Council has identified that many people from areas outside the district have been using them. We believe the Council is a net importer.

“Because of the extra waste and extra cost for Bradford council tax payers this generates, we have decided to introduce measures to make sure only Bradford residents can use our facilities in the future.”

But retired resident Bill McKay, of Roundwood Road, Baildon, called it “a sop to bureaucracy and narrowmindedness”. His nearest waste recycling centre is at Guiseley, in Leeds, and he said he felt sure the number of people coming into Bradford to dump waste would be offset by those, like him, who would rather use tips outside the district.

He said local authorities in West Yorkshire should work together rather than enforcing their borders, to make life simpler for residents.

Mr McKay, 63, said he did not believe the permit scheme would save the Council £160,000, once they took into account the costs of issuing the permits, then enforcing them.

Heather Roberts, of Thackley, called the scheme “futile and bureaucratic” and said the Council was putting barriers in the way of recycling. From April 1, anyone wanting to get a permit must visit their local household waste centre with their latest Council tax bill and their driving licence.

They will then be given a free permit, which they must display in their car windscreen to be able to get into any waste sites across the Bradford district.

Kirklees Council has a similar permit scheme in place.

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6:30am Thu 21 Mar 13

Albion. says...

There will be fly-tipping everywhere.
There will be fly-tipping everywhere. Albion.
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7:30am Thu 21 Mar 13

allannicho says...

Had this system in Wakey a few
years now, stops a lot of "White Van Men"!
just put your sticker on your windscreen.
Had this system in Wakey a few years now, stops a lot of "White Van Men"! just put your sticker on your windscreen. allannicho
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7:32am Thu 21 Mar 13

angry bradfordian says...

Well done to the Council for trying to be the first council to DISCOURAGE recycling!

In my case I'll be trying to squeeze as much as I can in the wheelie bin, so they'll still be paying to dispose of it and there will be more going to landfill that I could have recycled.
Well done to the Council for trying to be the first council to DISCOURAGE recycling! In my case I'll be trying to squeeze as much as I can in the wheelie bin, so they'll still be paying to dispose of it and there will be more going to landfill that I could have recycled. angry bradfordian
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7:39am Thu 21 Mar 13

bantam59 says...

ANOTHER JOKE BY THE COUNCIL
MORE RUBBISH WASHERS FRIDGES THROWN DOWN COUNTRY LANES NOW
ANOTHER JOKE BY THE COUNCIL MORE RUBBISH WASHERS FRIDGES THROWN DOWN COUNTRY LANES NOW bantam59
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7:44am Thu 21 Mar 13

bingleybantam says...

What a joke.

Maybe we can turn the Wastefield hole into a fly tipping centre.
What a joke. Maybe we can turn the Wastefield hole into a fly tipping centre. bingleybantam
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7:45am Thu 21 Mar 13

angry bradfordian says...

allannicho wrote:
Had this system in Wakey a few
years now, stops a lot of "White Van Men"!
just put your sticker on your windscreen.
I seem to remember Leeds were talking about doing the same because they thought Bradford residents were using their tip near Menston.
It meant that people in Menston had to travel to Bowling or Keighley to recycle and use loads of fuel in the process. Excellent for the environment!
[quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: Had this system in Wakey a few years now, stops a lot of "White Van Men"! just put your sticker on your windscreen.[/p][/quote]I seem to remember Leeds were talking about doing the same because they thought Bradford residents were using their tip near Menston. It meant that people in Menston had to travel to Bowling or Keighley to recycle and use loads of fuel in the process. Excellent for the environment! angry bradfordian
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7:53am Thu 21 Mar 13

flashdonut says...

Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.
Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't. flashdonut
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8:03am Thu 21 Mar 13

Pity Poor Bradford says...

I live just over the border in Kirlees, and the Bowling Back Lane depot is nearer to me than the one in Kirklees. As someone who grew up in Bradford the Bowling Back Lane depot is 'my' depot.

Regarding 'White van men', you have to have a permit to be able to take rubbish in a van. I found out when I took some household rubbish to the tip in my 1966 Ford Anglia van, clearly not used for commercial purposes, and was turned away. When that happened I felt like dumping all the rubbish outside, returning in my car, putting it in the boot and driving in, just to make a point.
I live just over the border in Kirlees, and the Bowling Back Lane depot is nearer to me than the one in Kirklees. As someone who grew up in Bradford the Bowling Back Lane depot is 'my' depot. Regarding 'White van men', you have to have a permit to be able to take rubbish in a van. I found out when I took some household rubbish to the tip in my 1966 Ford Anglia van, clearly not used for commercial purposes, and was turned away. When that happened I felt like dumping all the rubbish outside, returning in my car, putting it in the boot and driving in, just to make a point. Pity Poor Bradford
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8:05am Thu 21 Mar 13

klp1979 says...

C,mon people, get a grip. You only have to show a letter whats the big deal. Fly tipping increase - I dont think so - responsible people who have not done that before are not just suddenly going to become irresponsible, you'll always have fly tipping but only from the mindless idiots who already do so.
C,mon people, get a grip. You only have to show a letter whats the big deal. Fly tipping increase - I dont think so - responsible people who have not done that before are not just suddenly going to become irresponsible, you'll always have fly tipping but only from the mindless idiots who already do so. klp1979
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8:07am Thu 21 Mar 13

tinytoonster says...

flashdonut wrote:
Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.
exactly.
people don't understand that council's have limits on what waste they should produce.
EU Landfill Directive.
so this is a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.[/p][/quote]exactly. people don't understand that council's have limits on what waste they should produce. EU Landfill Directive. so this is a good idea. tinytoonster
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8:14am Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

flashdonut wrote:
Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.
No it's not that simple.

You've to take driving license & council tax bill to waste recycling centre then get a permit. Some of us have already thrown away (recycled of course) our council tax bill.

And what about for example someone who's just moved into the district? They won't yet have a council tax bill and yet they'll have an urgent need to dispose of items from previous occupant.

Bradford council do come in for some stick, much of it unjustified. But this decision is totally bonkers - it will cost more to run, lead to less recycling and more fly tipping!
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. You've to take driving license & council tax bill to waste recycling centre then get a permit. Some of us have already thrown away (recycled of course) our council tax bill. And what about for example someone who's just moved into the district? They won't yet have a council tax bill and yet they'll have an urgent need to dispose of items from previous occupant. Bradford council do come in for some stick, much of it unjustified. But this decision is totally bonkers - it will cost more to run, lead to less recycling and more fly tipping! webess
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8:18am Thu 21 Mar 13

tinytoonster says...

you can tell they don't use it, dump outside?
cctv outside them all!!
you can tell they don't use it, dump outside? cctv outside them all!! tinytoonster
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8:19am Thu 21 Mar 13

tyker2 says...

webess wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.
No it's not that simple.

You've to take driving license & council tax bill to waste recycling centre then get a permit. Some of us have already thrown away (recycled of course) our council tax bill.

And what about for example someone who's just moved into the district? They won't yet have a council tax bill and yet they'll have an urgent need to dispose of items from previous occupant.

Bradford council do come in for some stick, much of it unjustified. But this decision is totally bonkers - it will cost more to run, lead to less recycling and more fly tipping!
bonkers indeed and has no regard for those living on the fringes of the authority's power.
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. You've to take driving license & council tax bill to waste recycling centre then get a permit. Some of us have already thrown away (recycled of course) our council tax bill. And what about for example someone who's just moved into the district? They won't yet have a council tax bill and yet they'll have an urgent need to dispose of items from previous occupant. Bradford council do come in for some stick, much of it unjustified. But this decision is totally bonkers - it will cost more to run, lead to less recycling and more fly tipping![/p][/quote]bonkers indeed and has no regard for those living on the fringes of the authority's power. tyker2
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8:30am Thu 21 Mar 13

danger mouse says...

Whinge, whinge, whinge. It's hardly a hassle to get a permit and if you have been stupid enough to throw your council tax bill away, well you have the best part of a month to call them and ask them to post you a duplicate. Why do people try to make things so difficult. The council is actually trying to save us money!!
Whinge, whinge, whinge. It's hardly a hassle to get a permit and if you have been stupid enough to throw your council tax bill away, well you have the best part of a month to call them and ask them to post you a duplicate. Why do people try to make things so difficult. The council is actually trying to save us money!! danger mouse
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8:48am Thu 21 Mar 13

Mike Strutter says...

What next, stopping people from say Shelf (Calderdale) driving on Queensbury roads (Bradford) and adding to the potholes ?

In all seriousness though, how hard is it ? Everyone will have a council tax bill so will have the details. It take 2 mins to fill in and leave permit in glove compartment, job done.

I do however see the point of all WY councils working together instead of creating borders.

It is also astonishing how Cllr Sunderland only found out when she opened her council tax bill !! Isn't she the Deputy leader ? Do they not discuss anything at City Hall ?
What next, stopping people from say Shelf (Calderdale) driving on Queensbury roads (Bradford) and adding to the potholes ? In all seriousness though, how hard is it ? Everyone will have a council tax bill so will have the details. It take 2 mins to fill in and leave permit in glove compartment, job done. I do however see the point of all WY councils working together instead of creating borders. It is also astonishing how Cllr Sunderland only found out when she opened her council tax bill !! Isn't she the Deputy leader ? Do they not discuss anything at City Hall ? Mike Strutter
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8:50am Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

I'm sure the staff at the waste centres will love this - wonder what the going rate will be for an under the counter permit or acknowledging a beer mat as a permit?
I'm sure the staff at the waste centres will love this - wonder what the going rate will be for an under the counter permit or acknowledging a beer mat as a permit? webess
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9:02am Thu 21 Mar 13

David Shaw says...

Don't see what the fuss is about, I can choose which centre to go to, take my council bill and Driving licence there and hey presto..... Think sometimes people are just obstinate for the sake of it.....
Don't see what the fuss is about, I can choose which centre to go to, take my council bill and Driving licence there and hey presto..... Think sometimes people are just obstinate for the sake of it..... David Shaw
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9:12am Thu 21 Mar 13

jjbabs19 says...

Good, I agree with the change. I have bins for household rubbish, paper, metal & glass, bags for the plastic, and garden waste. So I already do, my bit towards recycling. So should others. I personally, am fed up with Bfd. being used as a dumping ground. The majority of which seems to be blown, dropped by irresponcibles individuals, or fly tipped. On my travels, I see little of the latter, compared to what I used to see. Bfd does appear to be cleaning up. We've still a long way to go. This is something new and a really good way forward.
Good, I agree with the change. I have bins for household rubbish, paper, metal & glass, bags for the plastic, and garden waste. So I already do, my bit towards recycling. So should others. I personally, am fed up with Bfd. being used as a dumping ground. The majority of which seems to be blown, dropped by irresponcibles individuals, or fly tipped. On my travels, I see little of the latter, compared to what I used to see. Bfd does appear to be cleaning up. We've still a long way to go. This is something new and a really good way forward. jjbabs19
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9:19am Thu 21 Mar 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Isn't it just easier to take your drivers licence? Surely then they can see you live in the Bradford area and they don't need to hand out thousands of permits.
Isn't it just easier to take your drivers licence? Surely then they can see you live in the Bradford area and they don't need to hand out thousands of permits. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:20am Thu 21 Mar 13

freespeech says...

This will lead to moving staff from the sites to collecting and sorting through fly tipping waste, and transporting it to the sites at rate payers expense.
This will lead to moving staff from the sites to collecting and sorting through fly tipping waste, and transporting it to the sites at rate payers expense. freespeech
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9:20am Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

David Shaw wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is about, I can choose which centre to go to, take my council bill and Driving licence there and hey presto..... Think sometimes people are just obstinate for the sake of it.....
OK take one example.

You live in Calverley (Leeds) and work in Bradford centre, normally you drop your rubbish of at Midland Road. Under this cunning plan you'd have to drive to Yeadon, ie opposite direction - obviously many people will just dump in nearest layby and leave the council with a clear up bill.
[quote][p][bold]David Shaw[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is about, I can choose which centre to go to, take my council bill and Driving licence there and hey presto..... Think sometimes people are just obstinate for the sake of it.....[/p][/quote]OK take one example. You live in Calverley (Leeds) and work in Bradford centre, normally you drop your rubbish of at Midland Road. Under this cunning plan you'd have to drive to Yeadon, ie opposite direction - obviously many people will just dump in nearest layby and leave the council with a clear up bill. webess
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9:32am Thu 21 Mar 13

Joedavid says...

You can't take your neighbours rubbish who does not have a licence and car either.
You can't take your neighbours rubbish who does not have a licence and car either. Joedavid
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9:35am Thu 21 Mar 13

Joedavid says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Isn't it just easier to take your drivers licence? Surely then they can see you live in the Bradford area and they don't need to hand out thousands of permits.
It has your photo, name and address on yes I agree just show that as you enter the tip.
I guess the tips will need an extra man each to check and issue permits.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Isn't it just easier to take your drivers licence? Surely then they can see you live in the Bradford area and they don't need to hand out thousands of permits.[/p][/quote]It has your photo, name and address on yes I agree just show that as you enter the tip. I guess the tips will need an extra man each to check and issue permits. Joedavid
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9:36am Thu 21 Mar 13

TirNaNog says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
What next, stopping people from say Shelf (Calderdale) driving on Queensbury roads (Bradford) and adding to the potholes ? In all seriousness though, how hard is it ? Everyone will have a council tax bill so will have the details. It take 2 mins to fill in and leave permit in glove compartment, job done. I do however see the point of all WY councils working together instead of creating borders. It is also astonishing how Cllr Sunderland only found out when she opened her council tax bill !! Isn't she the Deputy leader ? Do they not discuss anything at City Hall ?
I expect Deanstones Lane and surrounding lanes will suffer if residents of Northowram and Shelf can't use Queensbury tip. Madness!
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What next, stopping people from say Shelf (Calderdale) driving on Queensbury roads (Bradford) and adding to the potholes ? In all seriousness though, how hard is it ? Everyone will have a council tax bill so will have the details. It take 2 mins to fill in and leave permit in glove compartment, job done. I do however see the point of all WY councils working together instead of creating borders. It is also astonishing how Cllr Sunderland only found out when she opened her council tax bill !! Isn't she the Deputy leader ? Do they not discuss anything at City Hall ?[/p][/quote]I expect Deanstones Lane and surrounding lanes will suffer if residents of Northowram and Shelf can't use Queensbury tip. Madness! TirNaNog
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9:36am Thu 21 Mar 13

Johsay says...

Why on earth do they want my driving license number, saved for very important ID purposes for a recycling permit?
Why on earth do they want my driving license number, saved for very important ID purposes for a recycling permit? Johsay
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9:45am Thu 21 Mar 13

misterman says...

What about the thousands of drivers in Bradford,who don't have a driving licence.
What about the thousands of drivers in Bradford,who don't have a driving licence. misterman
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9:48am Thu 21 Mar 13

wobbley-bob says...

Why not just include a permit with everyones council tax notice?

It could be already filled in with some account/code numbers, & all you do is tear it out like a tax disc & stick it on your windscreen.

That said, why bother, we should be able to dump our rubbish at the nearest tip.
There can't be that many outsiders driving miles into Bradford to use our tips. It doesn't make sense.
Why not just include a permit with everyones council tax notice? It could be already filled in with some account/code numbers, & all you do is tear it out like a tax disc & stick it on your windscreen. That said, why bother, we should be able to dump our rubbish at the nearest tip. There can't be that many outsiders driving miles into Bradford to use our tips. It doesn't make sense. wobbley-bob
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9:57am Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

jjbabs19 wrote:
Good, I agree with the change. I have bins for household rubbish, paper, metal & glass, bags for the plastic, and garden waste. So I already do, my bit towards recycling. So should others. I personally, am fed up with Bfd. being used as a dumping ground. The majority of which seems to be blown, dropped by irresponcibles individuals, or fly tipped. On my travels, I see little of the latter, compared to what I used to see. Bfd does appear to be cleaning up. We've still a long way to go. This is something new and a really good way forward.
Think you've got the wrong end of the stick, this proposal makes it harder to recycle...
[quote][p][bold]jjbabs19[/bold] wrote: Good, I agree with the change. I have bins for household rubbish, paper, metal & glass, bags for the plastic, and garden waste. So I already do, my bit towards recycling. So should others. I personally, am fed up with Bfd. being used as a dumping ground. The majority of which seems to be blown, dropped by irresponcibles individuals, or fly tipped. On my travels, I see little of the latter, compared to what I used to see. Bfd does appear to be cleaning up. We've still a long way to go. This is something new and a really good way forward.[/p][/quote]Think you've got the wrong end of the stick, this proposal makes it harder to recycle... webess
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9:58am Thu 21 Mar 13

Joedavid says...

Pity Poor Bradford wrote:
I live just over the border in Kirlees, and the Bowling Back Lane depot is nearer to me than the one in Kirklees. As someone who grew up in Bradford the Bowling Back Lane depot is 'my' depot.

Regarding 'White van men', you have to have a permit to be able to take rubbish in a van. I found out when I took some household rubbish to the tip in my 1966 Ford Anglia van, clearly not used for commercial purposes, and was turned away. When that happened I felt like dumping all the rubbish outside, returning in my car, putting it in the boot and driving in, just to make a point.
Bowling Back Lane refused me when I put my garden rubbish in my small camping trailer.
Bowling Back Lane seems to be anti House holders, a lot better run at Midland road.
[quote][p][bold]Pity Poor Bradford[/bold] wrote: I live just over the border in Kirlees, and the Bowling Back Lane depot is nearer to me than the one in Kirklees. As someone who grew up in Bradford the Bowling Back Lane depot is 'my' depot. Regarding 'White van men', you have to have a permit to be able to take rubbish in a van. I found out when I took some household rubbish to the tip in my 1966 Ford Anglia van, clearly not used for commercial purposes, and was turned away. When that happened I felt like dumping all the rubbish outside, returning in my car, putting it in the boot and driving in, just to make a point.[/p][/quote]Bowling Back Lane refused me when I put my garden rubbish in my small camping trailer. Bowling Back Lane seems to be anti House holders, a lot better run at Midland road. Joedavid
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10:02am Thu 21 Mar 13

markjoe says...

This is an excellent way to save on the council budget, extra printing costs for permits, extra staff to check the permits.

Are you able to have 2 permits in case you have 2 cars, I wouldn't have thought so.

This sketch from John Bishop springs to mind: http://youtu.be/N9yA
JKcIVxk?t=1m29s
This is an excellent way to save on the council budget, extra printing costs for permits, extra staff to check the permits. Are you able to have 2 permits in case you have 2 cars, I wouldn't have thought so. This sketch from John Bishop springs to mind: http://youtu.be/N9yA JKcIVxk?t=1m29s markjoe
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10:11am Thu 21 Mar 13

angry bradfordian says...

markjoe wrote:
This is an excellent way to save on the council budget, extra printing costs for permits, extra staff to check the permits.

Are you able to have 2 permits in case you have 2 cars, I wouldn't have thought so.

This sketch from John Bishop springs to mind: http://youtu.be/N9yA

JKcIVxk?t=1m29s
I hope these staff dealing with permits are going to have better customer service skills than the people who currently work there.

Some of the blokes who work at the tip in Queensbury are amongst the rudest staff I've ever come across and seem to think they're doing you a favour by letting you use it.
I dread to think how they're going to cope with the power of giving permits out.
[quote][p][bold]markjoe[/bold] wrote: This is an excellent way to save on the council budget, extra printing costs for permits, extra staff to check the permits. Are you able to have 2 permits in case you have 2 cars, I wouldn't have thought so. This sketch from John Bishop springs to mind: http://youtu.be/N9yA JKcIVxk?t=1m29s[/p][/quote]I hope these staff dealing with permits are going to have better customer service skills than the people who currently work there. Some of the blokes who work at the tip in Queensbury are amongst the rudest staff I've ever come across and seem to think they're doing you a favour by letting you use it. I dread to think how they're going to cope with the power of giving permits out. angry bradfordian
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10:20am Thu 21 Mar 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

tinytoonster wrote:
you can tell they don't use it, dump outside?
cctv outside them all!!
Ooops, I threw my permit letter in the bin, the same bin I throw every communication from the council into. I didn't use it to clear up after my dog with this piece though, I usually do.

Well done BDMC this will be the biggest detriment to our view and environment as you've managed to date.

It really wasn't needed, EU directive or not, just better site management and some lateral thinking.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: you can tell they don't use it, dump outside? cctv outside them all!![/p][/quote]Ooops, I threw my permit letter in the bin, the same bin I throw every communication from the council into. I didn't use it to clear up after my dog with this piece though, I usually do. Well done BDMC this will be the biggest detriment to our view and environment as you've managed to date. It really wasn't needed, EU directive or not, just better site management and some lateral thinking. Prisoner Cell Block A
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10:21am Thu 21 Mar 13

ertnec says...

What a joke, things have had to change and yes it will anoye many. This will stop people who dont live in Bradford from using the service why should they use a service we pay for, unfortunately it will cause more fly tipping to combat this prosecute more and make sure when caught it costs them with very heavy fines or prison. People get a bloody grip.
What a joke, things have had to change and yes it will anoye many. This will stop people who dont live in Bradford from using the service why should they use a service we pay for, unfortunately it will cause more fly tipping to combat this prosecute more and make sure when caught it costs them with very heavy fines or prison. People get a bloody grip. ertnec
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10:25am Thu 21 Mar 13

Adamget says...

Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move.

I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping.

Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.
Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move. I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping. Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem. Adamget
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10:27am Thu 21 Mar 13

Unethical_ says...

What a load cobblers, you set of lazy no gooders.

The process is simple and easy all you have to do is fill out a simple form and take it down to your local recycling or waste centre it is really that easy.

Its just a way of Bradford Council saving money as they are so naive by thinking that the Bradford population will not be bothered to fill in the forms; and they have done that thus reducing costs but if we really wanted our Council Tax payment to be used and make sure the council would be so naive and clever we would go down to the waste centre and get this permit and smack it back on their face.

As more permits will equal more work for the council whom think no one will be bothered to make permits, so if i was anyone of you lot go down get it made and tell them Up 'ures.
What a load cobblers, you set of lazy no gooders. The process is simple and easy all you have to do is fill out a simple form and take it down to your local recycling or waste centre it is really that easy. Its just a way of Bradford Council saving money as they are so naive by thinking that the Bradford population will not be bothered to fill in the forms; and they have done that thus reducing costs but if we really wanted our Council Tax payment to be used and make sure the council would be so naive and clever we would go down to the waste centre and get this permit and smack it back on their face. As more permits will equal more work for the council whom think no one will be bothered to make permits, so if i was anyone of you lot go down get it made and tell them Up 'ures. Unethical_
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10:28am Thu 21 Mar 13

Brannigan says...

Is this an early April fool's day joke.
Surely the council would be better employed in trying to regenerate the refuse tip that is commonly known as the city centre and bring some investment to the area.
Is this an early April fool's day joke. Surely the council would be better employed in trying to regenerate the refuse tip that is commonly known as the city centre and bring some investment to the area. Brannigan
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10:39am Thu 21 Mar 13

collos25 says...

But when other Councils enforce the same laws there will be an increase in fly tipping and people visiting not the nearest tip but tips in there own council area there will be no winners only another lair of bureaucracy to contend with. The problem with councils is they do not think things through to the end. I very much doubt that you will see the assumed saving of 160k on any balance sheet soon.
But when other Councils enforce the same laws there will be an increase in fly tipping and people visiting not the nearest tip but tips in there own council area there will be no winners only another lair of bureaucracy to contend with. The problem with councils is they do not think things through to the end. I very much doubt that you will see the assumed saving of 160k on any balance sheet soon. collos25
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10:39am Thu 21 Mar 13

The_light says...

I think, like a lot of things now, we take household waste sites for granted. Yes I know we pay for on our council tax but it does cost money to get rid of all our throw away electronics, furniture, and other bulky items. If we didn’t have such facilities provided by local authorities we’d have to pay privately. If Bradford’s waste sites are being used by folk outside the area then the council has a duty to act to protect our finances, therefore they can’t really be criticised for what they are trying to do about this.
I think, like a lot of things now, we take household waste sites for granted. Yes I know we pay for on our council tax but it does cost money to get rid of all our throw away electronics, furniture, and other bulky items. If we didn’t have such facilities provided by local authorities we’d have to pay privately. If Bradford’s waste sites are being used by folk outside the area then the council has a duty to act to protect our finances, therefore they can’t really be criticised for what they are trying to do about this. The_light
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10:43am Thu 21 Mar 13

wobbley-bob says...

Adamget wrote:
Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move.

I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping.

Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.
Telling porkies are we?

You haven't 'really' got your permit have you?

How do I know?
Because in big bold type, on my letter, it states...
PERMITS WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM 1 APRIL 2013.
(today is the 21st of march.)

There's only one fool here Adam, & it's you laddie....lol

Now back under your stone eh?
[quote][p][bold]Adamget[/bold] wrote: Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move. I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping. Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.[/p][/quote]Telling porkies are we? You haven't 'really' got your permit have you? How do I know? Because in big bold type, on my letter, it states... PERMITS WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM 1 APRIL 2013. (today is the 21st of march.) There's only one fool here Adam, & it's you laddie....lol Now back under your stone eh? wobbley-bob
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10:47am Thu 21 Mar 13

Joedavid says...

Adamget wrote:
Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move.

I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping.

Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.
Well they not working their own rules then, says issue from 1st April.
[quote][p][bold]Adamget[/bold] wrote: Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move. I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping. Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.[/p][/quote]Well they not working their own rules then, says issue from 1st April. Joedavid
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10:48am Thu 21 Mar 13

Foolroy says...

It makes sense to do this. Besides you don't have to fly-tip anything made of metal such as fridges etc as you just leave them outside your house with a for-sale sign on and they are gone in the morning!
The other stuff just gets compacted and hoofed into the green bin...I cannot be ar**d getting clout nails in my tyres up at the tip either.
It makes sense to do this. Besides you don't have to fly-tip anything made of metal such as fridges etc as you just leave them outside your house with a for-sale sign on and they are gone in the morning! The other stuff just gets compacted and hoofed into the green bin...I cannot be ar**d getting clout nails in my tyres up at the tip either. Foolroy
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10:49am Thu 21 Mar 13

vax2002 says...

MY PAPERS PLEASE SIR.
MY PAPERS PLEASE SIR. vax2002
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10:52am Thu 21 Mar 13

wobbley-bob says...

Joedavid wrote:
Adamget wrote:
Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move.

I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping.

Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.
Well they not working their own rules then, says issue from 1st April.
Take no notice David, he's trolling. ;)
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adamget[/bold] wrote: Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move. I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping. Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.[/p][/quote]Well they not working their own rules then, says issue from 1st April.[/p][/quote]Take no notice David, he's trolling. ;) wobbley-bob
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10:55am Thu 21 Mar 13

David Shaw says...

webess wrote:
David Shaw wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is about, I can choose which centre to go to, take my council bill and Driving licence there and hey presto..... Think sometimes people are just obstinate for the sake of it.....
OK take one example.

You live in Calverley (Leeds) and work in Bradford centre, normally you drop your rubbish of at Midland Road. Under this cunning plan you'd have to drive to Yeadon, ie opposite direction - obviously many people will just dump in nearest layby and leave the council with a clear up bill.
I am the other way around, Live in Bradford work in Leeds, I take the recycling down every couple of weeks to my local centre, get the kids involved, teaching the next gen etc.... I would bever have thought to use Leeds sites as I dont live in Leeds.

why will there be a sudden spate of fly tipping, will the fabric of society break down because it takes 5 minutes to obtain a permit from your choice of centre. I don't think so.....
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Shaw[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is about, I can choose which centre to go to, take my council bill and Driving licence there and hey presto..... Think sometimes people are just obstinate for the sake of it.....[/p][/quote]OK take one example. You live in Calverley (Leeds) and work in Bradford centre, normally you drop your rubbish of at Midland Road. Under this cunning plan you'd have to drive to Yeadon, ie opposite direction - obviously many people will just dump in nearest layby and leave the council with a clear up bill.[/p][/quote]I am the other way around, Live in Bradford work in Leeds, I take the recycling down every couple of weeks to my local centre, get the kids involved, teaching the next gen etc.... I would bever have thought to use Leeds sites as I dont live in Leeds. why will there be a sudden spate of fly tipping, will the fabric of society break down because it takes 5 minutes to obtain a permit from your choice of centre. I don't think so..... David Shaw
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10:56am Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

The_light wrote:
I think, like a lot of things now, we take household waste sites for granted. Yes I know we pay for on our council tax but it does cost money to get rid of all our throw away electronics, furniture, and other bulky items. If we didn’t have such facilities provided by local authorities we’d have to pay privately. If Bradford’s waste sites are being used by folk outside the area then the council has a duty to act to protect our finances, therefore they can’t really be criticised for what they are trying to do about this.
But if every council implements this, it becomes a zero sum game, plus added costs of admin and extra fly tipping.

On top of this, one of the biggest costs for council waste is the landfill tax...and this is charged nationally.
[quote][p][bold]The_light[/bold] wrote: I think, like a lot of things now, we take household waste sites for granted. Yes I know we pay for on our council tax but it does cost money to get rid of all our throw away electronics, furniture, and other bulky items. If we didn’t have such facilities provided by local authorities we’d have to pay privately. If Bradford’s waste sites are being used by folk outside the area then the council has a duty to act to protect our finances, therefore they can’t really be criticised for what they are trying to do about this.[/p][/quote]But if every council implements this, it becomes a zero sum game, plus added costs of admin and extra fly tipping. On top of this, one of the biggest costs for council waste is the landfill tax...and this is charged nationally. webess
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11:04am Thu 21 Mar 13

yezboss says...

Got ours, just like a tax disc so it sits at the back of it in the car. What no one seems to have thought about is if I walk to our local tip and I can and have done so in the past say with a small electrical appliance like a kettle I will or may not have the disc with me nor the vehicle. So what do I or they do then?We are registered and have complied can they refuse me entry. In that case It will go in my bin, sort that out BMDC,
Got ours, just like a tax disc so it sits at the back of it in the car. What no one seems to have thought about is if I walk to our local tip and I can and have done so in the past say with a small electrical appliance like a kettle I will or may not have the disc with me nor the vehicle. So what do I or they do then?We are registered and have complied can they refuse me entry. In that case It will go in my bin, sort that out BMDC, yezboss
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11:05am Thu 21 Mar 13

Walruss says...

There's some confusion here (not unexpected really). The form clearly states that only one permit per household. No suggestion that it has to be stuck in the windscreen as stated in this report. Just take it with you whichever car you are using. Simple.

However, I'm unsure as to whether the pass will admit you to all centres. The declaration states, " . .is only valid to visit Household Waste Recycling Centres". That to me means any in Bradford.

Another part of the form states, " . . to use your Household Waste Recycling Centre."

The form also requires you to indicate which HWRC you wish to use. That could mean you are limited to one.

Which is it?
There's some confusion here (not unexpected really). The form clearly states that only one permit per household. No suggestion that it has to be stuck in the windscreen as stated in this report. Just take it with you whichever car you are using. Simple. However, I'm unsure as to whether the pass will admit you to all centres. The declaration states, " . .is only valid to visit Household Waste Recycling Centres". That to me means any in Bradford. Another part of the form states, " . . to use your Household Waste Recycling Centre." The form also requires you to indicate which HWRC you wish to use. That could mean you are limited to one. Which is it? Walruss
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11:06am Thu 21 Mar 13

collos25 says...

wobbley-bob wrote:
Adamget wrote:
Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move.

I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping.

Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.
Telling porkies are we?

You haven't 'really' got your permit have you?

How do I know?
Because in big bold type, on my letter, it states...
PERMITS WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM 1 APRIL 2013.
(today is the 21st of march.)

There's only one fool here Adam, & it's you laddie....lol

Now back under your stone eh?
He needs a permit to tip rubbish in a white van and has done for a long time.So he is not telling porkies at all.
[quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adamget[/bold] wrote: Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move. I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping. Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.[/p][/quote]Telling porkies are we? You haven't 'really' got your permit have you? How do I know? Because in big bold type, on my letter, it states... PERMITS WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM 1 APRIL 2013. (today is the 21st of march.) There's only one fool here Adam, & it's you laddie....lol Now back under your stone eh?[/p][/quote]He needs a permit to tip rubbish in a white van and has done for a long time.So he is not telling porkies at all. collos25
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11:08am Thu 21 Mar 13

Not so simple says...

So it'll save the council £160,000 a year to issue permits.

Q. So the council will spend how much to save £160,000?

Surely it costs to issue tickets, get the system in place and pay staff for these extra duties.

Waste will be in dumped in places causing the victims to be further charged by the council to take it away....sounds rather poorly thought and rushed to be honest.

Waste of space the council...tip em!
So it'll save the council £160,000 a year to issue permits. Q. So the council will spend how much to save £160,000? Surely it costs to issue tickets, get the system in place and pay staff for these extra duties. Waste will be in dumped in places causing the victims to be further charged by the council to take it away....sounds rather poorly thought and rushed to be honest. Waste of space the council...tip em! Not so simple
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11:13am Thu 21 Mar 13

Mr Blondе says...

collos25 wrote:
wobbley-bob wrote:
Adamget wrote:
Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move.

I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping.

Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.
Telling porkies are we?

You haven't 'really' got your permit have you?

How do I know?
Because in big bold type, on my letter, it states...
PERMITS WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM 1 APRIL 2013.
(today is the 21st of march.)

There's only one fool here Adam, & it's you laddie....lol

Now back under your stone eh?
He needs a permit to tip rubbish in a white van and has done for a long time.So he is not telling porkies at all.
He hasn't got a Council permit that everyone needs though.
I've just been to the Low Moor site to get one, & the bloke there said that they haven't even got them to issue yet, & pointed to the line about them being issued from April the 1st

So, yes, there seems to be a couple of people who are telling tall ones. Why though?, I've no idea, is it just to appear big & clever on a local news rags website? :)
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adamget[/bold] wrote: Excellent idea and no hassle at all. I already have my permit - took 5 minutes. I don't want to pay for other LAs' waste and welcome this move. I have a van too and have had to have an annual permit. It's a good idea and cuts out illegal tipping. Those who say it will increase are missing a point - those who fly tip will continue to fly tip. This budget saving could release money to attack tha problem.[/p][/quote]Telling porkies are we? You haven't 'really' got your permit have you? How do I know? Because in big bold type, on my letter, it states... PERMITS WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM 1 APRIL 2013. (today is the 21st of march.) There's only one fool here Adam, & it's you laddie....lol Now back under your stone eh?[/p][/quote]He needs a permit to tip rubbish in a white van and has done for a long time.So he is not telling porkies at all.[/p][/quote]He hasn't got a Council permit that everyone needs though. I've just been to the Low Moor site to get one, & the bloke there said that they haven't even got them to issue yet, & pointed to the line about them being issued from April the 1st So, yes, there seems to be a couple of people who are telling tall ones. Why though?, I've no idea, is it just to appear big & clever on a local news rags website? :) Mr Blondе
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11:14am Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services..
Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services.. webess
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11:20am Thu 21 Mar 13

Apollo says...

It is simply not legal under the Data Protection Act.

A reference to the Data Commissioner would stop this in its tracks.
It is simply not legal under the Data Protection Act. A reference to the Data Commissioner would stop this in its tracks. Apollo
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11:29am Thu 21 Mar 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

ertnec wrote:
What a joke, things have had to change and yes it will anoye many. This will stop people who dont live in Bradford from using the service why should they use a service we pay for, unfortunately it will cause more fly tipping to combat this prosecute more and make sure when caught it costs them with very heavy fines or prison. People get a bloody grip.
Who is employed to police this?

Certainly not the police, they cannot be trusted not to fly tip themselves as we have seen in this very paper.

Can't be the council, frontline staff cut to the bare minimum.

In times of austerity and cuts is a costly change and implementation necessary?

Finally, shouldn't we welcome more 'rubbish' from everywhere, the last I heard we sold it by the tonne to China who in their wisdom manage to turn it into useful fuel sources and recycle the rest.

Shortsighted, British backward thinking yet again.

Our miniscule, tiny amount of self recycling, household recycling is not even worth doing until the whole world is in unison, until then we are trying to top up the ocean with our body fluids, it isn't making a difference and never will.
[quote][p][bold]ertnec[/bold] wrote: What a joke, things have had to change and yes it will anoye many. This will stop people who dont live in Bradford from using the service why should they use a service we pay for, unfortunately it will cause more fly tipping to combat this prosecute more and make sure when caught it costs them with very heavy fines or prison. People get a bloody grip.[/p][/quote]Who is employed to police this? Certainly not the police, they cannot be trusted not to fly tip themselves as we have seen in this very paper. Can't be the council, frontline staff cut to the bare minimum. In times of austerity and cuts is a costly change and implementation necessary? Finally, shouldn't we welcome more 'rubbish' from everywhere, the last I heard we sold it by the tonne to China who in their wisdom manage to turn it into useful fuel sources and recycle the rest. Shortsighted, British backward thinking yet again. Our miniscule, tiny amount of self recycling, household recycling is not even worth doing until the whole world is in unison, until then we are trying to top up the ocean with our body fluids, it isn't making a difference and never will. Prisoner Cell Block A
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11:43am Thu 21 Mar 13

Patrick Bateman says...

flashdonut wrote:
Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.
'It's that simple. It really is".

You must have received different instructions to everyone else then. You are asked to bring your driving licence and council tax bill with you too. Hardly onerous but a slightly more involved process than you claim.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.[/p][/quote]'It's that simple. It really is". You must have received different instructions to everyone else then. You are asked to bring your driving licence and council tax bill with you too. Hardly onerous but a slightly more involved process than you claim. Patrick Bateman
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11:49am Thu 21 Mar 13

MeccaBingo1 says...

So Question?

I own 2 houses
1 in Huddersfield
1 in Bradford

Driving licence has Huddersfield address on.

Could I use Bradford tip?

Seems stupid to me any time Bradford Council try to do anything it ends up costing us more than before.

Another issue is my Gran also lives in Bradford and I always end up taking garden waste to Low Moor tip for her, she does not drive so how would I get rid of waste for her?
Answer she will propably call council now and they will collect.

Just stupid

In the grand sheme of things £160000 saving is peanuts and will only cost more not less.

Cannot wait to go down to tip after 1st April and have a big ding dong!

How else to save money?

Answers.

Make half of all over paid council workers redunant, stop silly public sector pensions, and give them left a big kick up the bum to get them into the real world!

Public Sector is so fat it needs urgent reform. Firemen, Police, NHS, Teachers, Council Workers all on 100% sick pay for life and final salary pensions, Some Police/Firemen retire at 45 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guy next door to me was a teacher now retired at 55 year old

Country is going downhill fast

Complete and utter joke


Job done
So Question? I own 2 houses 1 in Huddersfield 1 in Bradford Driving licence has Huddersfield address on. Could I use Bradford tip? Seems stupid to me any time Bradford Council try to do anything it ends up costing us more than before. Another issue is my Gran also lives in Bradford and I always end up taking garden waste to Low Moor tip for her, she does not drive so how would I get rid of waste for her? Answer she will propably call council now and they will collect. Just stupid In the grand sheme of things £160000 saving is peanuts and will only cost more not less. Cannot wait to go down to tip after 1st April and have a big ding dong! How else to save money? Answers. Make half of all over paid council workers redunant, stop silly public sector pensions, and give them left a big kick up the bum to get them into the real world! Public Sector is so fat it needs urgent reform. Firemen, Police, NHS, Teachers, Council Workers all on 100% sick pay for life and final salary pensions, Some Police/Firemen retire at 45 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guy next door to me was a teacher now retired at 55 year old Country is going downhill fast Complete and utter joke Job done MeccaBingo1
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12:00pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Want to save £160k?

Get rid of Tony Reeves.

He's been getting £170k per year since 2006, in that time the City has gone backwards and it a complete dump.

Leeds today opened Trinity Shopping Center, not one Brick has been laid at Westfield. The executive at Leeds might get a similar wage but at least he is providing results.
Want to save £160k? Get rid of Tony Reeves. He's been getting £170k per year since 2006, in that time the City has gone backwards and it a complete dump. Leeds today opened Trinity Shopping Center, not one Brick has been laid at Westfield. The executive at Leeds might get a similar wage but at least he is providing results. Thee Voice of Reason
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12:29pm Thu 21 Mar 13

yorkshiredude says...

Places like Baildon may use facilities in Leeds, people in places like Birkenshaw in Bradford - just because it's nearest to them. The world doesn't end at the boundary.
Places like Baildon may use facilities in Leeds, people in places like Birkenshaw in Bradford - just because it's nearest to them. The world doesn't end at the boundary. yorkshiredude
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12:34pm Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

Just about every supermarket in the country manages to run a recycling scheme without running over-engineered permitting schemes, surely not much to ask of a council.
Just about every supermarket in the country manages to run a recycling scheme without running over-engineered permitting schemes, surely not much to ask of a council. webess
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12:49pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Parz says...

I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid.

I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it? Parz
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12:52pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Another Landless Peasant says...

I haven't even received my Council Tax bill and this is the first I've heard of it. I won't bother using the Council tip anymore, just fill up my bin instead.
I haven't even received my Council Tax bill and this is the first I've heard of it. I won't bother using the Council tip anymore, just fill up my bin instead. Another Landless Peasant
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1:01pm Thu 21 Mar 13

collos25 says...

Parz wrote:
I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid.

I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it. collos25
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1:02pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Gabbysgran says...

What a good idea - I never usually agree with Bradford Council because I think they are the most inefficient, badly run and rubbish Council in the country (due to the managers not councillors) but I agree with this
What a good idea - I never usually agree with Bradford Council because I think they are the most inefficient, badly run and rubbish Council in the country (due to the managers not councillors) but I agree with this Gabbysgran
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1:06pm Thu 21 Mar 13

johnmu says...

Its easy, you pay your council tax you have the right to use the recycling centres.
It's easy, unless you have something to hide?
Its easy, you pay your council tax you have the right to use the recycling centres. It's easy, unless you have something to hide? johnmu
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1:08pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Parz says...

collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.
Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.[/p][/quote]Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in. Parz
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1:24pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Ginaflowers says...

My mother in law lives in Bradford but doesn't drive so asks a family member (not a Bradford resident) to take things to the tip for her. How it's she supposed to get a permit to use the recycling centres she is paying for?
My mother in law lives in Bradford but doesn't drive so asks a family member (not a Bradford resident) to take things to the tip for her. How it's she supposed to get a permit to use the recycling centres she is paying for? Ginaflowers
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1:30pm Thu 21 Mar 13

collos25 says...

Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.
Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.
It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.[/p][/quote]Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.[/p][/quote]It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not. collos25
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1:41pm Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

Parz wrote:
I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid.

I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
It's inevitable some people will show up without a permit and assuming staff don't take a backhander, they'll be turned away. What do you think people are going to do with a car full of junk?

Agree most people will just grin and bear this, but if just 1% fly tip - that's an awful lot of extra fly tipping.
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]It's inevitable some people will show up without a permit and assuming staff don't take a backhander, they'll be turned away. What do you think people are going to do with a car full of junk? Agree most people will just grin and bear this, but if just 1% fly tip - that's an awful lot of extra fly tipping. webess
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1:50pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Shipleyvegas says...

I cannot believe that the £160000 will acutally be a saving when you factor in admin costs, and fly tipping clearup - what a joke!
I cannot believe that the £160000 will acutally be a saving when you factor in admin costs, and fly tipping clearup - what a joke! Shipleyvegas
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2:17pm Thu 21 Mar 13

loftyme says...

webess wrote:
Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services..
Very good point!, a quick google and found this,
Section 1 of the Refuse Disposal Amenity Act 1978
"the council has duty to provide civic amenity sites where residents in the area can deposit their waste",
This is off the dept for environment website, so it would appear that you can take your waste to your local tip without a permit!, just a bradford rule, probably not enforcable
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services..[/p][/quote]Very good point!, a quick google and found this, Section 1 of the Refuse Disposal Amenity Act 1978 "the council has duty to provide civic amenity sites where residents in the area can deposit their waste", This is off the dept for environment website, so it would appear that you can take your waste to your local tip without a permit!, just a bradford rule, probably not enforcable loftyme
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2:18pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Parz says...

collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.
Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.
It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.
I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.[/p][/quote]Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.[/p][/quote]It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.[/p][/quote]I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge. Parz
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2:23pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

If I lose my permit can I just get another one no questions asked? If I can get another one what is to stop me selling it on?
If I lose my permit can I just get another one no questions asked? If I can get another one what is to stop me selling it on? Thee Voice of Reason
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2:27pm Thu 21 Mar 13

collos25 says...

Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.
Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.
It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.
I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge.
Everybody pays in one way or another even its through VAT there is no escaping tax for us mortals. Its already cost thousands so far in just printing alone and will cost many more thousands before its it quietly dropped.
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.[/p][/quote]Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.[/p][/quote]It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.[/p][/quote]I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge.[/p][/quote]Everybody pays in one way or another even its through VAT there is no escaping tax for us mortals. Its already cost thousands so far in just printing alone and will cost many more thousands before its it quietly dropped. collos25
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2:34pm Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

loftyme wrote:
webess wrote:
Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services..
Very good point!, a quick google and found this,
Section 1 of the Refuse Disposal Amenity Act 1978
"the council has duty to provide civic amenity sites where residents in the area can deposit their waste",
This is off the dept for environment website, so it would appear that you can take your waste to your local tip without a permit!, just a bradford rule, probably not enforcable
Good spot!

I might show up with a crisp packet and no permit. Looks like the council have no right to turn away domestic waste...
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services..[/p][/quote]Very good point!, a quick google and found this, Section 1 of the Refuse Disposal Amenity Act 1978 "the council has duty to provide civic amenity sites where residents in the area can deposit their waste", This is off the dept for environment website, so it would appear that you can take your waste to your local tip without a permit!, just a bradford rule, probably not enforcable[/p][/quote]Good spot! I might show up with a crisp packet and no permit. Looks like the council have no right to turn away domestic waste... webess
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2:42pm Thu 21 Mar 13

36a says...

Barmy idea, since many people use a variety of sites or cars. I use the nearest when I am at home, a different one on the way to work, and a different one again when I am helping a friend clear their house.

I do not dispute that it is a fairly easy process, but I do not want a Council Waste Site employee to have any more Bureaucratic powers, such as examining my driving license.
Barmy idea, since many people use a variety of sites or cars. I use the nearest when I am at home, a different one on the way to work, and a different one again when I am helping a friend clear their house. I do not dispute that it is a fairly easy process, but I do not want a Council Waste Site employee to have any more Bureaucratic powers, such as examining my driving license. 36a
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2:44pm Thu 21 Mar 13

BierleyBoy says...

Simply send everyone a letter stating to use tip you must have proof of address. everyone has their driving licence with them anyway don't they?

Tips to trip are planned for the most part aren't they?

Only like going to post office for a parcel.

Permit system totally unnecessary
Simply send everyone a letter stating to use tip you must have proof of address. everyone has their driving licence with them anyway don't they? Tips to trip are planned for the most part aren't they? Only like going to post office for a parcel. Permit system totally unnecessary BierleyBoy
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3:07pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
Simply send everyone a letter stating to use tip you must have proof of address. everyone has their driving licence with them anyway don't they?

Tips to trip are planned for the most part aren't they?

Only like going to post office for a parcel.

Permit system totally unnecessary
^^^ common sense.


Won't make a bliind bit of difference.
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: Simply send everyone a letter stating to use tip you must have proof of address. everyone has their driving licence with them anyway don't they? Tips to trip are planned for the most part aren't they? Only like going to post office for a parcel. Permit system totally unnecessary[/p][/quote]^^^ common sense. Won't make a bliind bit of difference. Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:27pm Thu 21 Mar 13

mr-dog says...

Sounds like a license for fly tipping. Madness...
Sounds like a license for fly tipping. Madness... mr-dog
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3:33pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Parz says...

collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.
Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.
It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.
I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge.
Everybody pays in one way or another even its through VAT there is no escaping tax for us mortals. Its already cost thousands so far in just printing alone and will cost many more thousands before its it quietly dropped.
True, it probably has cost a fair whack to print enough permits to potentially cover the number of people who want to use the tips. However I'd bet this cost of printing will be less than to cost of dealing with the extra rubbish the tips would be dealing with over the however many years the scheme runs for in the future.

Though without any sight of any figures, we can all but speculate!
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.[/p][/quote]Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.[/p][/quote]It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.[/p][/quote]I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge.[/p][/quote]Everybody pays in one way or another even its through VAT there is no escaping tax for us mortals. Its already cost thousands so far in just printing alone and will cost many more thousands before its it quietly dropped.[/p][/quote]True, it probably has cost a fair whack to print enough permits to potentially cover the number of people who want to use the tips. However I'd bet this cost of printing will be less than to cost of dealing with the extra rubbish the tips would be dealing with over the however many years the scheme runs for in the future. Though without any sight of any figures, we can all but speculate! Parz
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4:08pm Thu 21 Mar 13

bfdborn says...

I havent received my council tax bill yet so this is the first I'm hearing about this but surely it would have made more sense to just include the permit in with everyone's bill. They could have used the same paper instead of wasting it telling everyone they have to waste more paper to get the permit! I think many of those people in uproar about this are angry as it just adds more hassle to a job they would rather not do. In addition, if Bradford Council are set on impementing this, they should have included people who WORK - but may not live - in Bradford as they are definitely using Bradford Council services in some shape or form. I don't know what - if any - additional cost is incurred by Bradford council tax payers when non Bradford council tax payers use the Housing Waste Recycling Centres but I'm pretty sure having to produce, administer and enforce these permits will DEFINITELY cost us something.
I havent received my council tax bill yet so this is the first I'm hearing about this but surely it would have made more sense to just include the permit in with everyone's bill. They could have used the same paper instead of wasting it telling everyone they have to waste more paper to get the permit! I think many of those people in uproar about this are angry as it just adds more hassle to a job they would rather not do. In addition, if Bradford Council are set on impementing this, they should have included people who WORK - but may not live - in Bradford as they are definitely using Bradford Council services in some shape or form. I don't know what - if any - additional cost is incurred by Bradford council tax payers when non Bradford council tax payers use the Housing Waste Recycling Centres but I'm pretty sure having to produce, administer and enforce these permits will DEFINITELY cost us something. bfdborn
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4:18pm Thu 21 Mar 13

nhoj89 says...

well what a supprise another crazy idea,how about doing something worth while with our council tax money,like clearing the drains,sweaping streets regulary not ever 12 months ,does it matter where people come from at least they are taking it there to be disposed of,no wonder this town is in a mess,try sorting the real problems like no jobs ,crater in the centre,derilict odeon building,boarded up shops,the list in endless
well what a supprise another crazy idea,how about doing something worth while with our council tax money,like clearing the drains,sweaping streets regulary not ever 12 months ,does it matter where people come from at least they are taking it there to be disposed of,no wonder this town is in a mess,try sorting the real problems like no jobs ,crater in the centre,derilict odeon building,boarded up shops,the list in endless nhoj89
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4:35pm Thu 21 Mar 13

sam-tyler says...

Everyone pays council tax to some council or another, or at least they should, so just let anyone dump their rubbish at any tip.
For every Leeds person who uses a Bradford tip (residents of Tyersal)
There will be a Bradford person using a Leeds tip (Baildon folk)

I really don't think someone is willing to drive many miles, avoiding their own local tips, just to dump in a Bradford one, can you?
Everyone pays council tax to some council or another, or at least they should, so just let anyone dump their rubbish at any tip. For every Leeds person who uses a Bradford tip (residents of Tyersal) There will be a Bradford person using a Leeds tip (Baildon folk) I really don't think someone is willing to drive many miles, avoiding their own local tips, just to dump in a Bradford one, can you? sam-tyler
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5:59pm Thu 21 Mar 13

RollandSmoke says...

Before taking anything to the tip people should be thinking is it still usable? Many of the things we throw away are still perfectly usable or in need of slight repair but the owner no longer has a use for it. For this item to be thrown away and someone else to go out and buy the same item is a massive waster of resources. As disposable incomes are becoming less across the board (except at the very top) we need to be sharing these resources more. Sites like freecycle give you the opportunity to offer items that you no longer use to people who can get further use from them. I can understand that some may be put off by the thought of a stranger turning up at their home but maybe the council could organize a collection point.
Before taking anything to the tip people should be thinking is it still usable? Many of the things we throw away are still perfectly usable or in need of slight repair but the owner no longer has a use for it. For this item to be thrown away and someone else to go out and buy the same item is a massive waster of resources. As disposable incomes are becoming less across the board (except at the very top) we need to be sharing these resources more. Sites like freecycle give you the opportunity to offer items that you no longer use to people who can get further use from them. I can understand that some may be put off by the thought of a stranger turning up at their home but maybe the council could organize a collection point. RollandSmoke
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6:32pm Thu 21 Mar 13

collos25 says...

With the new Driving licences you could live anywhere as they will not be address based to comply with EU regulations.I myself have a ECC driving licence valid in all EU countries but not address based.
With the new Driving licences you could live anywhere as they will not be address based to comply with EU regulations.I myself have a ECC driving licence valid in all EU countries but not address based. collos25
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6:36pm Thu 21 Mar 13

joeybcfc says...

What a bunch of sad people it's not an hard thing to do.I go to the tip about once a month so I have stuck the paperwork on my fridge so when I go next I will take it with me and get a permit SIMPLE.its not rocket science,as for the council there is a lot of things I don't agree with but the only people that have brought Bradford down are THE PEOPLE OF BRADFORD !
What a bunch of sad people it's not an hard thing to do.I go to the tip about once a month so I have stuck the paperwork on my fridge so when I go next I will take it with me and get a permit SIMPLE.its not rocket science,as for the council there is a lot of things I don't agree with but the only people that have brought Bradford down are THE PEOPLE OF BRADFORD ! joeybcfc
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6:58pm Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear..

"(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons."

In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.
The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit. webess
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7:02pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Izzyduck says...

I don't mind having to have a permit but I do object to only being allowed to select one tip when there are three that I regularly use. That seems to be the least thought out part of this, why can the permits not be for any tip in the district?
I don't mind having to have a permit but I do object to only being allowed to select one tip when there are three that I regularly use. That seems to be the least thought out part of this, why can the permits not be for any tip in the district? Izzyduck
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7:15pm Thu 21 Mar 13

allinittogether says...

webess wrote:
The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear..

"(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons."

In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.
If you know you have to have proof of being a Bradford resident with you when you go to the tip why would you not simply take your permit?
It's to be hoped that common sense will prevail in cases where someone genuinely has forgotten their permit but in general I think it's a reasonable scheme.
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.[/p][/quote]If you know you have to have proof of being a Bradford resident with you when you go to the tip why would you not simply take your permit? It's to be hoped that common sense will prevail in cases where someone genuinely has forgotten their permit but in general I think it's a reasonable scheme. allinittogether
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7:17pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Parz says...

webess wrote:
The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear..

"(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons."

In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.
But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point!
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.[/p][/quote]But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point! Parz
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7:21pm Thu 21 Mar 13

bobbyo says...

I'm liking the clean the drains comment above. Do they actually still clean drains? Bradford council = not fit for purpose !
I'm liking the clean the drains comment above. Do they actually still clean drains? Bradford council = not fit for purpose ! bobbyo
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7:42pm Thu 21 Mar 13

10steve says...

Anyone on the borders that need a council tax bill for a permit can use mine for a tenner a time :-)
or simply just shrug your shoulders and say !!! NO ENGLISH !!!! seems to work at the Keighley tip !
Anyone on the borders that need a council tax bill for a permit can use mine for a tenner a time :-) or simply just shrug your shoulders and say !!! NO ENGLISH !!!! seems to work at the Keighley tip ! 10steve
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7:52pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Mike Strutter says...

My mate lives in shelf about 1.5 miles from the Queensbury tip, owns a successful business in Bradford employing 20 locals and pays thousands in business rates to Bradford council , his kids go to a primary school in Queensbury yet now he will have to drive to a Halifax tip.
He's fuming
My mate lives in shelf about 1.5 miles from the Queensbury tip, owns a successful business in Bradford employing 20 locals and pays thousands in business rates to Bradford council , his kids go to a primary school in Queensbury yet now he will have to drive to a Halifax tip. He's fuming Mike Strutter
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7:56pm Thu 21 Mar 13

webess says...

Parz wrote:
webess wrote:
The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear..

"(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons."

In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.
But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point!
Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of.

This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish?
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.[/p][/quote]But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point![/p][/quote]Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of. This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish? webess
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8:01pm Thu 21 Mar 13

flogem says...

Don't leave your waste/recycling bin out by the roadside overnight for next day early emptying.
If its not full,fly tippers or there like will dump their rubbish in it.
Don't leave your waste/recycling bin out by the roadside overnight for next day early emptying. If its not full,fly tippers or there like will dump their rubbish in it. flogem
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8:16pm Thu 21 Mar 13

notanumber says...

The scheme is a daft idea, dreamt up by someone who apparently has porridge for brains. It may be easy to get a permit, but it shouldn't be necessary and is almost certainly counter-productive. The reasons we have access to refuse tips in the first place are to reduce the amount of rubbish that is indiscriminately dumped around the district, to save the council the cost of coming out to collect every old bike or chest of drawers, and to save the householder the hassle of having to wait for said collection with the rubbish out front and visible.

The most obvious disadvantages are:

Fly -tipping will increase. If you think it won't you have a touching faith in human nature.

No-one may now help an elderley or infirm neighbour, or one without a car, by taking their rubbish to the tip for them. The notice we all received expressly forbids it.

Everything that can go in the dustbin will go in the dustbin. Large items may be broken up to achieve this hence removing all hope of recycling them.

Young people who live outside the district will not be able to help their elderly, or simply carless, relatives within the district by taking rubbish to the tip for them, as their driving licenses will bear the 'wrong' address.

It's a silly idea and one based in the selfish notion of 'you can't put your rubbish in my dustbin - it's not fair!' Well, fair or not I'd rather see the rubbish go into the tip than on the edge of the football pitch or school playground. For heaven's sake, use some common sense and scrap the scheme before it starts.
The scheme is a daft idea, dreamt up by someone who apparently has porridge for brains. It may be easy to get a permit, but it shouldn't be necessary and is almost certainly counter-productive. The reasons we have access to refuse tips in the first place are to reduce the amount of rubbish that is indiscriminately dumped around the district, to save the council the cost of coming out to collect every old bike or chest of drawers, and to save the householder the hassle of having to wait for said collection with the rubbish out front and visible. The most obvious disadvantages are: Fly -tipping will increase. If you think it won't you have a touching faith in human nature. No-one may now help an elderley or infirm neighbour, or one without a car, by taking their rubbish to the tip for them. The notice we all received expressly forbids it. Everything that can go in the dustbin will go in the dustbin. Large items may be broken up to achieve this hence removing all hope of recycling them. Young people who live outside the district will not be able to help their elderly, or simply carless, relatives within the district by taking rubbish to the tip for them, as their driving licenses will bear the 'wrong' address. It's a silly idea and one based in the selfish notion of 'you can't put your rubbish in my dustbin - it's not fair!' Well, fair or not I'd rather see the rubbish go into the tip than on the edge of the football pitch or school playground. For heaven's sake, use some common sense and scrap the scheme before it starts. notanumber
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8:24pm Thu 21 Mar 13

sam-tyler says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
My mate lives in shelf about 1.5 miles from the Queensbury tip, owns a successful business in Bradford employing 20 locals and pays thousands in business rates to Bradford council , his kids go to a primary school in Queensbury yet now he will have to drive to a Halifax tip.
He's fuming
You'll have to lend him yours Strutt, on the qt of course. ;)
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: My mate lives in shelf about 1.5 miles from the Queensbury tip, owns a successful business in Bradford employing 20 locals and pays thousands in business rates to Bradford council , his kids go to a primary school in Queensbury yet now he will have to drive to a Halifax tip. He's fuming[/p][/quote]You'll have to lend him yours Strutt, on the qt of course. ;) sam-tyler
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9:06pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Steve30d says...

misterman wrote:
What about the thousands of drivers in Bradford,who don't have a driving licence.
Bet the buisnesses in Birkshaw Lane are fuming, because they're the ones likely to get blocked in by rubbish refused by Bowling Back Lane. Just checked on Google maps and the gate suggests it's a private road so "of course" clearing it up won't be paid for by the council (much like council will only enforce antidog fowling/parking on council land, and they'll stamp all over the rights of others. )
[quote][p][bold]misterman[/bold] wrote: What about the thousands of drivers in Bradford,who don't have a driving licence.[/p][/quote]Bet the buisnesses in Birkshaw Lane are fuming, because they're the ones likely to get blocked in by rubbish refused by Bowling Back Lane. Just checked on Google maps and the gate suggests it's a private road so "of course" clearing it up won't be paid for by the council (much like council will only enforce antidog fowling/parking on council land, and they'll stamp all over the rights of others. ) Steve30d
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9:27pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Rhinoman says...

Well done bratfud council, yet again you stoop to new depths .This is a joke ,as a small business i often have to leave small amounts of waste/rubble with the client because i am not allowed to take it to a tip (which incidentley i happen to pass on my way home) therefore causing more waste going to landfill. As regards this permit crap i tend to agree with Apollo's comment (11.20 am )how could this be allowed under the data protection act , think a quick call to the data commissioners office in wilmslow might be in order just to clarify the matter.
This council really is a laughing stock , i dread to think what amazing money wasting plan they come up with next.
Well done bratfud council, yet again you stoop to new depths .This is a joke ,as a small business i often have to leave small amounts of waste/rubble with the client because i am not allowed to take it to a tip (which incidentley i happen to pass on my way home) therefore causing more waste going to landfill. As regards this permit crap i tend to agree with Apollo's comment (11.20 am )how could this be allowed under the data protection act , think a quick call to the data commissioners office in wilmslow might be in order just to clarify the matter. This council really is a laughing stock , i dread to think what amazing money wasting plan they come up with next. Rhinoman
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10:20pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Steve30d says...

"We believe the Council is a net importer." That's simply not good enough from the executive member for environment and sustainability. Weasel words don't cut it- doesn't he know?

And while on about not knowing, I'm somewhat confused as to how these plans were snuck past the other councilors until now. Shouldn't be too difficult to show whose is putting a spin on it for political gain. What dates were the meetings were it was discussed, and who attented. If they are faking surprise they'll have been there.
"We believe the Council is a net importer." That's simply not good enough from the executive member for environment and sustainability. Weasel words don't cut it- doesn't he know? And while on about not knowing, I'm somewhat confused as to how these plans were snuck past the other councilors until now. Shouldn't be too difficult to show whose is putting a spin on it for political gain. What dates were the meetings were it was discussed, and who attented. If they are faking surprise they'll have been there. Steve30d
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1:20am Fri 22 Mar 13

Fire Fox says...

misterman wrote:
What about the thousands of drivers in Bradford,who don't have a driving licence.
I am another Bradfordian with NO car and NO drivers license, who relies on kind relatives to help out with recycling. Apparently they will be breaking the law if they do this!

Even more aggravating is that many city centre residents still have NO doorstep recycling collection, over three years after the 2003 legislation came into force (two materials by 2010) so they are breaking the law themselves. One rule for BMDC and one rule for the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]misterman[/bold] wrote: What about the thousands of drivers in Bradford,who don't have a driving licence.[/p][/quote]I am another Bradfordian with NO car and NO drivers license, who relies on kind relatives to help out with recycling. Apparently they will be breaking the law if they do this! Even more aggravating is that many city centre residents still have NO doorstep recycling collection, over three years after the 2003 legislation came into force (two materials by 2010) so they are breaking the law themselves. One rule for BMDC and one rule for the rest of us. Fire Fox
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7:49am Fri 22 Mar 13

roberto mankini says...

You need you Council Tax bill to get your permit. Why not send out the permit with the bill and save wasting time on the application process?

And why can you only use one tip?
You need you Council Tax bill to get your permit. Why not send out the permit with the bill and save wasting time on the application process? And why can you only use one tip? roberto mankini
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8:05am Fri 22 Mar 13

webess says...

roberto mankini wrote:
You need you Council Tax bill to get your permit. Why not send out the permit with the bill and save wasting time on the application process?

And why can you only use one tip?
According to the law, you can use any tip in Bradford if you're a resident.

You also don't require a permit - but the council is above the law isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]roberto mankini[/bold] wrote: You need you Council Tax bill to get your permit. Why not send out the permit with the bill and save wasting time on the application process? And why can you only use one tip?[/p][/quote]According to the law, you can use any tip in Bradford if you're a resident. You also don't require a permit - but the council is above the law isn't it? webess
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8:25am Fri 22 Mar 13

Tommyl says...

I have never seen a T&A report generate as many comments as this one on the new permits, most of them against the idea, and for good reason! I hope that Bradford Council have got the message - IT IS A BAD IDEA! Let's see if common sense and democracy prevails and this badly thought out scheme is cancelled.

My biggest concern is that is was all kept under wraps until the council bills were sent out. What happened to open government and democratic consultation?
I have never seen a T&A report generate as many comments as this one on the new permits, most of them against the idea, and for good reason! I hope that Bradford Council have got the message - IT IS A BAD IDEA! Let's see if common sense and democracy prevails and this badly thought out scheme is cancelled. My biggest concern is that is was all kept under wraps until the council bills were sent out. What happened to open government and democratic consultation? Tommyl
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9:31am Fri 22 Mar 13

TirNaNog says...

Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Parz wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?
Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.
Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.
It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.
I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge.
Do you think there aren't any Bradford residents using Leeds,Kirklees etc waste facilities because they are nearer? Should be a reciprocal thing based on proximity. As an example, what if a resident of Northowram/Shelf (CMDC) can't use Queensbury tip? Are they going to drive to Ovenden or find a quiet spot down Deanstones Lane? I think we all know the answer!
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea. Council ensuring that a taxpayer funded service is used only by those taxypayers funding it. God forbid. I can't understand why it's going to cause a wave of flytipping. From the sound of it it's really not going to be hard to get your permit. If people are too feckless to go down to the tip and spend 5 minutes getting hold of thier permit, what's to say they go now anyway? Seriously, it's not exactly a massive effort is it?[/p][/quote]Because human nature dictates that they will not travel long distances to do a chore therefore they will flytip not very hard to work out or is it.[/p][/quote]Well then they're just feckless and lazy and need to have a word with themselves. You can't blame the council for the inhabitants being inconsiderate cretins who would rather cause a problem for everyone else, making the place look like a sh*t tip instead of putting a bit of effort in.[/p][/quote]It does not matter what you or I think its a matter of fact like it or not.[/p][/quote]I'm not doubting that, but I can't see the need for all the rage against the Council for implimenting a free pass system to try ensure they're not spending OUR money on dealing with stuff dumped at the tips by people who aren't constributing to the system. I think some people just like a good winge.[/p][/quote]Do you think there aren't any Bradford residents using Leeds,Kirklees etc waste facilities because they are nearer? Should be a reciprocal thing based on proximity. As an example, what if a resident of Northowram/Shelf (CMDC) can't use Queensbury tip? Are they going to drive to Ovenden or find a quiet spot down Deanstones Lane? I think we all know the answer! TirNaNog
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9:37am Fri 22 Mar 13

yezboss says...

I am told the purpose of ticking one box was to identify the issuing tip. You can use any tip.
Also on the subject of blocked drains, at the last count and it was an estimated one some 11500 drains are blocked in the BMDC area. This is because of neglect. At one time there was at least two full time drain cleaner vehicles. Now maybe one part time not regularly crewed if that and the work is contracted out I am told anyway. Not very successfully I would suggest.
I am told the purpose of ticking one box was to identify the issuing tip. You can use any tip. Also on the subject of blocked drains, at the last count and it was an estimated one some 11500 drains are blocked in the BMDC area. This is because of neglect. At one time there was at least two full time drain cleaner vehicles. Now maybe one part time not regularly crewed if that and the work is contracted out I am told anyway. Not very successfully I would suggest. yezboss
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2:22pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Parz says...

webess wrote:
Parz wrote:
webess wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.
But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point!
Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of. This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish?
But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer? I fail to see the difference, other than the pedantic wording.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge if you can show me otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.[/p][/quote]But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point![/p][/quote]Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of. This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish?[/p][/quote]But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer? I fail to see the difference, other than the pedantic wording. I'll bow to your superior knowledge if you can show me otherwise. Parz
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3:15pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Mr Blondе says...

Parz wrote:
webess wrote:
Parz wrote:
webess wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.
But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point!
Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of. This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish?
But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer? I fail to see the difference, other than the pedantic wording.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge if you can show me otherwise.
But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer?

Not at all. What if you are a lodger, the council tax bill will be in the name of the householder, not yours.

Same goes for a multi occupancy house I would presume.

Living with parents, etc...........
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.[/p][/quote]But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point![/p][/quote]Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of. This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish?[/p][/quote]But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer? I fail to see the difference, other than the pedantic wording. I'll bow to your superior knowledge if you can show me otherwise.[/p][/quote][bold]But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer?[/bold] Not at all. What if you are a lodger, the council tax bill will be in the name of the householder, not yours. Same goes for a multi occupancy house I would presume. Living with parents, etc........... Mr Blondе
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3:35pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Parz says...

Mr Blondе wrote:
Parz wrote:
webess wrote:
Parz wrote:
webess wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.
But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point!
Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of. This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish?
But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer? I fail to see the difference, other than the pedantic wording. I'll bow to your superior knowledge if you can show me otherwise.
But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer? Not at all. What if you are a lodger, the council tax bill will be in the name of the householder, not yours. Same goes for a multi occupancy house I would presume. Living with parents, etc...........
True, I didn't think of that, which is stupid considering one of the them applies to me! (Idiot!)

Common sense would say that the permit would cover the household rather than the indivdual other wise my parents, for example, would have to have a permit each despite living in the same house paying the same council tax bill, which would just be complete nonsense. That would cover the situations you mentioned, providing the householder was willing to get the permit and if they're not, that's not really the Coucil's fault. But then like I say, that would be common sense, and this is Bradford "Lets build a 90 million pound puddle" Council, so you never know! I'd assume a lot of eventualities are covered in the full policy's T&C's though.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Blondе[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The wording of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978 is quite clear.. "(1)It shall be the duty of a local authority to provide places where refuse, other than refuse falling to be disposed of in the course of a business, may be deposited at all reasonable times free of charge by persons resident in the area of the authority and, on payment of such charges (if any) as the authority think fit, by other persons." In other words, if you take proof of being resident in Bradford. The council MUST accept domestic waste permit or no permit.[/p][/quote]But if you take your proof then they'll give you the permit, that's the whole point![/p][/quote]Read the main article again. The council are insisting you must be a Bradford council tax payer - the law is that you need only be a resident of Bradford. This scheme is unlawful, end of. This is beside the obvious point it will lead to more fly-tipping. Where do you think people turned away from council refuse sites will take their rubbish?[/p][/quote]But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer? I fail to see the difference, other than the pedantic wording. I'll bow to your superior knowledge if you can show me otherwise.[/p][/quote][bold]But as a Bradford resident, shouldn't you also be a Bradford Council Tax Payer?[/bold] Not at all. What if you are a lodger, the council tax bill will be in the name of the householder, not yours. Same goes for a multi occupancy house I would presume. Living with parents, etc...........[/p][/quote]True, I didn't think of that, which is stupid considering one of the them applies to me! (Idiot!) Common sense would say that the permit would cover the household rather than the indivdual other wise my parents, for example, would have to have a permit each despite living in the same house paying the same council tax bill, which would just be complete nonsense. That would cover the situations you mentioned, providing the householder was willing to get the permit and if they're not, that's not really the Coucil's fault. But then like I say, that would be common sense, and this is Bradford "Lets build a 90 million pound puddle" Council, so you never know! I'd assume a lot of eventualities are covered in the full policy's T&C's though. Parz
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4:01pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Salts Fella says...

flashdonut wrote:
Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.
I personally have no problem with applying for a permit. Just with the waste of time and money invested in this hair-brained scheme.
Who cares where the rubbish comes from so long as it's being responsibly disposed of? We need to make it easier for people to recycle not more difficult.
The Council needs to look at the bigger picture. I'm of the opinion that this will only result in more fly-tipping and thus more expense; and that's aside from the admin costs.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Everybody received teh permit letter with their council tax bill. Everybody. You fill in about two questions and take with you when you go to the tip. It is that simple. It really is. Folk need to get a grip. You are acting like it is a task. It isn't.[/p][/quote]I personally have no problem with applying for a permit. Just with the waste of time and money invested in this hair-brained scheme. Who cares where the rubbish comes from so long as it's being responsibly disposed of? We need to make it easier for people to recycle not more difficult. The Council needs to look at the bigger picture. I'm of the opinion that this will only result in more fly-tipping and thus more expense; and that's aside from the admin costs. Salts Fella
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4:48pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Mr Blondе says...

Whatever the ifs & buts of the scheme.
Whether it's legal or not....etc, etc.
Surely the easiest & cheapest solution would've been to include a permit for a property in the envelope, along with the council tax notice.
So instead of an A4 page of nonsense & contradictions, you could have something along the lines of ......

"Here is your permit to use Bradfords HWRC's.... Please detach it & take it with you when you go to the tip."


Or is that too simple for the simpletons on the council?
Whatever the ifs & buts of the scheme. Whether it's legal or not....etc, etc. Surely the easiest & cheapest solution would've been to include a permit for a property in the envelope, along with the council tax notice. So instead of an A4 page of nonsense & contradictions, you could have something along the lines of ...... "Here is your permit to use Bradfords HWRC's.... Please detach it & take it with you when you go to the tip." Or is that too simple for the simpletons on the council? Mr Blondе
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7:47pm Fri 22 Mar 13

albert2003 says...

why do the council need my driving licence number, they have the rates form, and my full name,hope I am not a victim of identity theft,
why do the council need my driving licence number, they have the rates form, and my full name,hope I am not a victim of identity theft, albert2003
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8:24pm Fri 22 Mar 13

vaildpoint says...

what we need is a coup to oust this corrupt council and get some people in that actually acre about bradford. Oh and the permit thing well rats are bad enough in Bfd!! lets eradicate the council rats!!
what we need is a coup to oust this corrupt council and get some people in that actually acre about bradford. Oh and the permit thing well rats are bad enough in Bfd!! lets eradicate the council rats!! vaildpoint
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10:29pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Summergirl says...

Im a little confused with all the fuss this has created. It seems that I go to my local tip, I take my council tax bill and drivers licence and obtain a permit - doesn't seem difficult. The next time I want to take something to the tip, I make sure I have my permit with me and take it in as normal. I'm not sure why people think its so difficult or so hard and that they would even think of fly tipping their waste just because they're too lazy to obtain a permit. I guess its this mentality that has lead to Bradford becoming such a dump and the negative attitude towards the Council. Its a fact that it costs the people of Bradford i.e. the taxpayer for every bit of waste that goes to landfill and if the annual amount exceeds the amount permitted by Europe that the Council gets fined. This obviously reflects on the services they provide to the public. Instead of being negative about the change, why dont people show a positive attitude and for once stop blaming the Council and actually do something like getting a permit & disposing of their waste as they should - law abiding citizens.
Im a little confused with all the fuss this has created. It seems that I go to my local tip, I take my council tax bill and drivers licence and obtain a permit - doesn't seem difficult. The next time I want to take something to the tip, I make sure I have my permit with me and take it in as normal. I'm not sure why people think its so difficult or so hard and that they would even think of fly tipping their waste just because they're too lazy to obtain a permit. I guess its this mentality that has lead to Bradford becoming such a dump and the negative attitude towards the Council. Its a fact that it costs the people of Bradford i.e. the taxpayer for every bit of waste that goes to landfill and if the annual amount exceeds the amount permitted by Europe that the Council gets fined. This obviously reflects on the services they provide to the public. Instead of being negative about the change, why dont people show a positive attitude and for once stop blaming the Council and actually do something like getting a permit & disposing of their waste as they should - law abiding citizens. Summergirl
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12:37pm Sat 23 Mar 13

Silsdenman says...

Not got time to read every message here so apologies if this has already been said. If each council has this so-called problem of people outside the area using the facilities and so all councils operate this policy, there will be Bradford folk who have previously been using neighbouring facilities, such as Leeds, coming back to Bradford and vice versa which will negate the saving which at £160k in the scheme of things is hardly anything anyway. Just being awkward and confrontational for the sake of it as has always been the case at tips.
Not got time to read every message here so apologies if this has already been said. If each council has this so-called problem of people outside the area using the facilities and so all councils operate this policy, there will be Bradford folk who have previously been using neighbouring facilities, such as Leeds, coming back to Bradford and vice versa which will negate the saving which at £160k in the scheme of things is hardly anything anyway. Just being awkward and confrontational for the sake of it as has always been the case at tips. Silsdenman
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1:47pm Sat 23 Mar 13

misterman says...

I always thought perhaps wrongly,that the rubbish thats put in these recycling skips was valuable Metals, paper cardboard etc.The scrapmetal alone must be worth £1000's per week to the council.So whats the problem,or am I missing something.?
I always thought perhaps wrongly,that the rubbish thats put in these recycling skips was valuable Metals, paper cardboard etc.The scrapmetal alone must be worth £1000's per week to the council.So whats the problem,or am I missing something.? misterman
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5:02pm Sat 23 Mar 13

WayneRouke says...

Why is it not possible just to SHOW my driving licence to prove my identity. WHY is is necessary for me to enter those details on the application form??

As far as I am concerned, taking the bill should be enough to be able to grant me a permit. This is Bradford obtaining information for something else. The driving licence information isnt necessary and I will be asking the Council what they need that information for.
Why is it not possible just to SHOW my driving licence to prove my identity. WHY is is necessary for me to enter those details on the application form?? As far as I am concerned, taking the bill should be enough to be able to grant me a permit. This is Bradford obtaining information for something else. The driving licence information isnt necessary and I will be asking the Council what they need that information for. WayneRouke
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5:23pm Sat 23 Mar 13

WayneRouke says...

loftyme wrote:
webess wrote:
Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services..
Very good point!, a quick google and found this,
Section 1 of the Refuse Disposal Amenity Act 1978
"the council has duty to provide civic amenity sites where residents in the area can deposit their waste",
This is off the dept for environment website, so it would appear that you can take your waste to your local tip without a permit!, just a bradford rule, probably not enforcable
Excellent.. I think some letters/phone calls to the council are in order. In most places a council tax bill is an accepted form of identification, so that should be the case with the council.

All I should have to do is turn up with my council tax bill to prove I am a resident of Bradford. I should not have to produce a driving licence, nor enter its details on the form.

Why cant I take my passport/birth certificate along with my council tax bill.

I will take some rubbish to the tip, on foot, with my council tax bill, and if turned away will feel justified in leaving it outside their premises.

I refuse to give the council more personal information about me that it needs.

WR
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: Is it legal to restrict access via this permit? The council does have a legal obligation to provide waste services..[/p][/quote]Very good point!, a quick google and found this, Section 1 of the Refuse Disposal Amenity Act 1978 "the council has duty to provide civic amenity sites where residents in the area can deposit their waste", This is off the dept for environment website, so it would appear that you can take your waste to your local tip without a permit!, just a bradford rule, probably not enforcable[/p][/quote]Excellent.. I think some letters/phone calls to the council are in order. In most places a council tax bill is an accepted form of identification, so that should be the case with the council. All I should have to do is turn up with my council tax bill to prove I am a resident of Bradford. I should not have to produce a driving licence, nor enter its details on the form. Why cant I take my passport/birth certificate along with my council tax bill. I will take some rubbish to the tip, on foot, with my council tax bill, and if turned away will feel justified in leaving it outside their premises. I refuse to give the council more personal information about me that it needs. WR WayneRouke
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9:35am Sun 24 Mar 13

Rocky Horror says...

Pity Poor Bradford wrote:
I live just over the border in Kirlees, and the Bowling Back Lane depot is nearer to me than the one in Kirklees. As someone who grew up in Bradford the Bowling Back Lane depot is 'my' depot.

Regarding 'White van men', you have to have a permit to be able to take rubbish in a van. I found out when I took some household rubbish to the tip in my 1966 Ford Anglia van, clearly not used for commercial purposes, and was turned away. When that happened I felt like dumping all the rubbish outside, returning in my car, putting it in the boot and driving in, just to make a point.
Pity Poor Bradford should also tell us that Kirklees has had a permit system for many years and a Bradford resident doing what he does in reverse and attempting to dump his rubbish in Kirklees will have been turned away for a long time now.

Household rubbish tips
are what they say, for householders. The permit system does not seem to have made much difference to fly tipping. I see at lot of it in both Bradford and Kirklees. It largely seems to be rubbish from small time builders not willing to pay for the service they require.
[quote][p][bold]Pity Poor Bradford[/bold] wrote: I live just over the border in Kirlees, and the Bowling Back Lane depot is nearer to me than the one in Kirklees. As someone who grew up in Bradford the Bowling Back Lane depot is 'my' depot. Regarding 'White van men', you have to have a permit to be able to take rubbish in a van. I found out when I took some household rubbish to the tip in my 1966 Ford Anglia van, clearly not used for commercial purposes, and was turned away. When that happened I felt like dumping all the rubbish outside, returning in my car, putting it in the boot and driving in, just to make a point.[/p][/quote]Pity Poor Bradford should also tell us that Kirklees has had a permit system for many years and a Bradford resident doing what he does in reverse and attempting to dump his rubbish in Kirklees will have been turned away for a long time now. Household rubbish tips are what they say, for householders. The permit system does not seem to have made much difference to fly tipping. I see at lot of it in both Bradford and Kirklees. It largely seems to be rubbish from small time builders not willing to pay for the service they require. Rocky Horror
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4:40pm Mon 25 Mar 13

seen it all before says...

This really does begger belief!

Typical Socailist big brother bullying!

If recyling is such a good thing, then we should be encouraging everone to come and deposit.

Why driving licence????

Can take out a loan or do almost anything with a Council tax bill and a utility bill, so what is it all about????

But the one thing that seems to be overlooked, is the fact they state they can do 1 every 5 minutes, so the poor soul in twelfth place will have to wait for 1 hour!

The passes can be obtained from 1st April (mmmmmmmmm) but when will you HAVE to have got a pass to be able to tip? YES I SAID TIP " I GO TO THE TIP" not recyling centre TIP TIP TIP TIP TIP I feel better for that.

We have the council we deserve.
This really does begger belief! Typical Socailist big brother bullying! If recyling is such a good thing, then we should be encouraging everone to come and deposit. Why driving licence???? Can take out a loan or do almost anything with a Council tax bill and a utility bill, so what is it all about???? But the one thing that seems to be overlooked, is the fact they state they can do 1 every 5 minutes, so the poor soul in twelfth place will have to wait for 1 hour! The passes can be obtained from 1st April (mmmmmmmmm) but when will you HAVE to have got a pass to be able to tip? YES I SAID TIP " I GO TO THE TIP" not recyling centre TIP TIP TIP TIP TIP I feel better for that. We have the council we deserve. seen it all before
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6:04am Tue 26 Mar 13

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12:33pm Tue 26 Mar 13

midge the one says...

whats the problem its only a small form.if it helps keep my council tax down then good on the council.
whats the problem its only a small form.if it helps keep my council tax down then good on the council. midge the one
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6:47pm Tue 26 Mar 13

WayneRouke says...

midge the one wrote:
whats the problem its only a small form.if it helps keep my council tax down then good on the council.
But it WONT keep your council tax down. The production of the permits have to be paid for, someone to administer them has to be appointed/recruited. People to issue them have to be appointed/recruited. They will have to be policed somehow to prevent abuse.

Add to that the fact that this was brought in last minute, various meetings will be held to argue and assess feasibility, together with the post implementation meeting. Thats a lot of meetings and a lot of expenses/meals.

Fly tipping is likely to increase, adding to the cost.

As has been said, every household has received a council tax bill, so what is the difficulty in putting the permit in the same envelope??. BUT, a council tax bill is identification in its own right, so why not do away with the permit altogether and only admit those producing a council tax bill, or other address verifying identification.

And then there is the issue of Big Brother, with them wanting a driving license number (for those that have them).

This permit scheme smacks of an end of year spend to use up a budget,if you ask me,so that said budget is not reduced next year.

WR
[quote][p][bold]midge the one[/bold] wrote: whats the problem its only a small form.if it helps keep my council tax down then good on the council.[/p][/quote]But it WONT keep your council tax down. The production of the permits have to be paid for, someone to administer them has to be appointed/recruited. People to issue them have to be appointed/recruited. They will have to be policed somehow to prevent abuse. Add to that the fact that this was brought in last minute, various meetings will be held to argue and assess feasibility, together with the post implementation meeting. Thats a lot of meetings and a lot of expenses/meals. Fly tipping is likely to increase, adding to the cost. As has been said, every household has received a council tax bill, so what is the difficulty in putting the permit in the same envelope??. BUT, a council tax bill is identification in its own right, so why not do away with the permit altogether and only admit those producing a council tax bill, or other address verifying identification. And then there is the issue of Big Brother, with them wanting a driving license number (for those that have them). This permit scheme smacks of an end of year spend to use up a budget,if you ask me,so that said budget is not reduced next year. WR WayneRouke
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7:33pm Tue 26 Mar 13

seen it all before says...

Can anyone tell me the cut off date for using the TIP without a permit? Went to a tip today and was told if I dont have a permit by 1st April then I cant recycle anything there. " I think he meant TIP"
Can anyone tell me the cut off date for using the TIP without a permit? Went to a tip today and was told if I dont have a permit by 1st April then I cant recycle anything there. " I think he meant TIP" seen it all before
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11:50am Fri 29 Mar 13

chainbaar says...

A five pound note in a special handshake should let you in.
A five pound note in a special handshake should let you in. chainbaar
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