Rally held in Bradford city centre against austerity cuts (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Who cares? Who really listens to these civil servants unions? They only want pay rises for themselves and private pensions. I say sack the lot of the so called strikers and rally leaders. Waste of space!

Where were the rallies and strikers when their mates in government were in power.....yes they supported Labour to the hilt and bankrupt the country. Now when these useless civil servants realise their pensions or wages maybe lowered they come out protesting. One for all? Nah these guys are only in it for themselves.

Had the rally been better publicized I'm sure there would have been thousands in attendance. The vast majority of the British people support the Unions and the Public Sector workers, and are massively opposed to the destructive and vindictive 'Austerity/Aspiratio
n' policies of this criminal Government.

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
Had the rally been better publicized I'm sure there would have been thousands in attendance. The vast majority of the British people support the Unions and the Public Sector workers, and are massively opposed to the destructive and vindictive 'Austerity/Aspiratio

n' policies of this criminal Government.

Most amusing.

Hardly a protest with just 35 in attendance!

Bad organisation, and should have been announced.
Centenary Square would have been bursting at its seams!

Not so simple wrote:
Who cares? Who really listens to these civil servants unions? They only want pay rises for themselves and private pensions. I say sack the lot of the so called strikers and rally leaders. Waste of space!

Where were the rallies and strikers when their mates in government were in power.....yes they supported Labour to the hilt and bankrupt the country. Now when these useless civil servants realise their pensions or wages maybe lowered they come out protesting. One for all? Nah these guys are only in it for themselves.

'Bankrupt the country':

It was the banks that bankrupt our nation, and not the Labour Party. In the 1990s Norman Lamont, the then Chancellor of the Exchequer, attempted to engage with the concept of 'Who is in Charge,' as was the heading in a national daily newspaper. He concluded that the banks were in charge of finance and not the Conservative Government. The Labour Party made this clearer by giving total economic financial governance to the Bank of England. Now the banks are openly accountable.

The first £10k you earn is now tax free. Compare that to Labour who abolished the 10p tax rate and had people paying tax from £5k up.

Cut are needed as we can't keep spending what we aren't earning, it's basis economics.

This unions don't care about cuts, they just care about themselves and the amount they can get.

A Labour MP refused to answer a direct question regarding the richest people actually paying more now than they ever were under a Labour government after shouting tax the rich for the first 5min of the interview. Seems the more they say it the more they hope it to be true, but when dealing with facts it all goes silent over there.

PCS (at least in my office) are a joke. The 'devoted and passionate' picket line people have normally dissapeared by half 9, perticularly if it's cold. Most people who I've spoken to that are off just fancied a day off, they aren't all that bothered about the action. and a lot of people have just come in anyway. They don't achieve anything, which is why I've never bothered joining. They'll come back to work tomorrow and all will be forgotten.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The first £10k you earn is now tax free. Compare that to Labour who abolished the 10p tax rate and had people paying tax from £5k up.

Cut are needed as we can't keep spending what we aren't earning, it's basis economics.

This unions don't care about cuts, they just care about themselves and the amount they can get.

A Labour MP refused to answer a direct question regarding the richest people actually paying more now than they ever were under a Labour government after shouting tax the rich for the first 5min of the interview. Seems the more they say it the more they hope it to be true, but when dealing with facts it all goes silent over there.

Well said

Andy2010 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote: The first £10k you earn is now tax free. Compare that to Labour who abolished the 10p tax rate and had people paying tax from £5k up. Cut are needed as we can't keep spending what we aren't earning, it's basis economics. This unions don't care about cuts, they just care about themselves and the amount they can get. A Labour MP refused to answer a direct question regarding the richest people actually paying more now than they ever were under a Labour government after shouting tax the rich for the first 5min of the interview. Seems the more they say it the more they hope it to be true, but when dealing with facts it all goes silent over there.

Well said

Agreed. The thing I always notice when someone goes on strike or complains about austerity is they all agree that cuts are neccesary.

It's not that they disagree with cuts, they just all want it to fall somewhere else.

Makes no difference

Trouble with Public service workers is if you promised them the moon on a stick, they'd believe you. Then they'd hold you to ransom till you made good on your promise.

What's with the hi-viz jackets anyway? What a joke!

Pondlover wrote:
Trouble with Public service workers is if you promised them the moon on a stick, they'd believe you. Then they'd hold you to ransom till you made good on your promise.

What's with the hi-viz jackets anyway? What a joke!

Its so they can identify each other when the drunks and addicts gather round to see whats going on

Andy2010 wrote:

Pondlover wrote:
Trouble with Public service workers is if you promised them the moon on a stick, they'd believe you. Then they'd hold you to ransom till you made good on your promise.

What's with the hi-viz jackets anyway? What a joke!

Its so they can identify each other when the drunks and addicts gather round to see whats going on

That "joke" is so old its got a white beard. I've been there hundreds of times and never been approached by a beggar etc.

Anyway back to main story. Not much sympathy for workers with some of the best conditions in the country, how many of them were complaining about Labour taxing, borrowing and spending like drunken sailors on shore leave?

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
Had the rally been better publicized I'm sure there would have been thousands in attendance. The vast majority of the British people support the Unions and the Public Sector workers, and are massively opposed to the destructive and vindictive 'Austerity/Aspiratio

n' policies of this criminal Government.

I think you should check your facts. The vast majority of people do not support unions any more and this is due to the fact that the union people use your subs for their posh hotels when going around the country and all of their expenses are paid, by you, of course. Waste of money if you ask me and ask yourself this, when was the last time any union did anything for anybody, apart from call for strikes. Easy money if you ask me.

webess wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Pondlover wrote: Trouble with Public service workers is if you promised them the moon on a stick, they'd believe you. Then they'd hold you to ransom till you made good on your promise. What's with the hi-viz jackets anyway? What a joke!

Its so they can identify each other when the drunks and addicts gather round to see whats going on

That "joke" is so old its got a white beard. I've been there hundreds of times and never been approached by a beggar etc. Anyway back to main story. Not much sympathy for workers with some of the best conditions in the country, how many of them were complaining about Labour taxing, borrowing and spending like drunken sailors on shore leave?

This is the problem though and it give all public sector workers a bad name. The ones who make all the noise are the one's who don't appriciate how well off they actually are.

I'm a public sector worker, and I fully appriciate that I spend my working doay in a warm, comfortable office with all the facilities I need and I'm paid a reasonable amount for what I do. Sure I'd have liked a bigger payrise over the last few years, but I'm paid with public funds are there are more important things for that to be spent on like hospitals, and schools and what not. There are far worse jobs paying less that mine that I could be doing if I didn't have this one.

Unfortunately the people who make all the noise are the ones too blind to see any of this.

Instead of robbing the poor of what little they have to keep their heads above water and thereby robbing business of the trade they get from them, an easy way to save £100 million per year would be to end the contract with Atos. When you realise that Atos' 2nd largest share holder is Evelyn de Rothschild, one of the biggest names in banking, the banking system being mostly responsible for the position we find ourselves in, you begin to see that the sick and disabled are just being used as a new currency to line the pockets of financial vampires.

84 percent in favour of strike action?

But only 35 at the rally and 4 at the Job Centre in Shipley?

Thing is, it's 84% of the people who actually voted, which I'm told is about 60% of the membership.

Though in regards to the numbers outside offices, I understand theres some sort of regulation on how many picket people you can have per office/site dependant on how many people work in the office. I don't know the exact numbers though.

RollandSmoke wrote:
Instead of robbing the poor of what little they have to keep their heads above water and thereby robbing business of the trade they get from them, an easy way to save £100 million per year would be to end the contract with Atos. When you realise that Atos' 2nd largest share holder is Evelyn de Rothschild, one of the biggest names in banking, the banking system being mostly responsible for the position we find ourselves in, you begin to see that the sick and disabled are just being used as a new currency to line the pockets of financial vampires.

have you got a job?
enough said.

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
Had the rally been better publicized I'm sure there would have been thousands in attendance. The vast majority of the British people support the Unions and the Public Sector workers, and are massively opposed to the destructive and vindictive 'Austerity/Aspiratio

n' policies of this criminal Government.

aren't you on the dole?
same answer to you as roll and smoke!
i've always worked and my wages are just the same.
seems only the overpaid and underworked public sector are moaning.

Parz wrote:
PCS (at least in my office) are a joke. The 'devoted and passionate' picket line people have normally dissapeared by half 9, perticularly if it's cold. Most people who I've spoken to that are off just fancied a day off, they aren't all that bothered about the action. and a lot of people have just come in anyway. They don't achieve anything, which is why I've never bothered joining. They'll come back to work tomorrow and all will be forgotten.

And you will reap the benefit of their action. Its time the workers learn to stand up for themselves again.

tinytoonster wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Instead of robbing the poor of what little they have to keep their heads above water and thereby robbing business of the trade they get from them, an easy way to save £100 million per year would be to end the contract with Atos. When you realise that Atos' 2nd largest share holder is Evelyn de Rothschild, one of the biggest names in banking, the banking system being mostly responsible for the position we find ourselves in, you begin to see that the sick and disabled are just being used as a new currency to line the pockets of financial vampires.

have you got a job?
enough said.

Enough said? you've said nothing. What is the point you are trying to make? Have you got one? Is it that if you're being treat like a slave why shouldn't everyone else be? "i've always worked and my wages are just the same." Why is that because your cost of living wont be the same. Why arn't you complaining? As you ask I'm not working I'm currency for the Atos shareholders

If what I read is true in our Community Pride rag in regard to how much potential benefit is available to persons of working age, I am bewildered why there needs to be any protest in support of benefits at the level they are. I quote “£500 for couples / Single Parents & £350 for single people” if you factor in Tax NI and other contributions for a working person you would need to earn approx £32500 or £22800 respectively, Where is the incentive to work especially when jobs / salaries of this amount are rare? I was lucky enough to be employed for approaching 40 years (didn’t earn as much as £32500 though) and through sacrifice, a moderate lifestyle and saving was able to retire early, however because I was savvy I am unable to claim a single benefit, free prescriptions, glasses, anything! Would it be wrong to be perplexed at the protesters support of a system that is incomprehensible and unfair for rewarding people for a hard day ‘NOT’ at work than a hard day at work and non contributors to be entitled to more than the contributors. I am sure some may see my opinion as a demonstration of ignorance but confident most hard working people would understand my point of view. I would however be interested to hear from an educational perspective how people who do claim would debate / disagree with me and justify why. I don’t want an unconstructive verbal war or insults (as witnessed on previous forums) just an opportunity to see it from the other side.

Stuff benefits. Most people who've saved and worked hard are not entitled to any benefits. Yet those who have never worked get benefits. Some people work all their lives and get a lower pension then those who've never worked. Beyond a joke. No sympathy for civil servants( I see them more as leeches) no sympathy for the equally useless unions.

DWP,JobCentre, Inept and not fit for purpose, go through the motions of going to work daily,without actually CARING about the job they do, in order to get the big fat pension (funded by coucil tax) at the end of their career.

First,we had an empire, and an emperor in charge

Then we had a kingdom, and a King in charge.

Now we have a country.............
..

undercliffebantam wrote:

Parz wrote:
PCS (at least in my office) are a joke. The 'devoted and passionate' picket line people have normally dissapeared by half 9, perticularly if it's cold. Most people who I've spoken to that are off just fancied a day off, they aren't all that bothered about the action. and a lot of people have just come in anyway. They don't achieve anything, which is why I've never bothered joining. They'll come back to work tomorrow and all will be forgotten.

And you will reap the benefit of their action. Its time the workers learn to stand up for themselves again.

You're telling this to someone who has worked in the public sctor over 6 years and is STILL on the minimum for my paygrade. Who was lucky enough to move by choice before my (now) previous office closed down.

Yeah, right, I'll believe it when I see it.

Time for strong leadership. Not the namby pamby,wishy washy cowardly b/s of the Labour party. Ed balls, what a pathetic loser.

@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

COATSFORGOALPOSTS wrote:
If what I read is true in our Community Pride rag in regard to how much potential benefit is available to persons of working age, I am bewildered why there needs to be any protest in support of benefits at the level they are. I quote “£500 for couples / Single Parents & £350 for single people” if you factor in Tax NI and other contributions for a working person you would need to earn approx £32500 or £22800 respectively, Where is the incentive to work especially when jobs / salaries of this amount are rare? I was lucky enough to be employed for approaching 40 years (didn’t earn as much as £32500 though) and through sacrifice, a moderate lifestyle and saving was able to retire early, however because I was savvy I am unable to claim a single benefit, free prescriptions, glasses, anything! Would it be wrong to be perplexed at the protesters support of a system that is incomprehensible and unfair for rewarding people for a hard day ‘NOT’ at work than a hard day at work and non contributors to be entitled to more than the contributors. I am sure some may see my opinion as a demonstration of ignorance but confident most hard working people would understand my point of view. I would however be interested to hear from an educational perspective how people who do claim would debate / disagree with me and justify why. I don’t want an unconstructive verbal war or insults (as witnessed on previous forums) just an opportunity to see it from the other side.

The cost of living is rising a kwt of gas will cost far more than it did in the past. Because of this benefits have been historically linked to inflation so as those on what is deemed the minimum could still survive. At the same time wages have been reduced by the employers which, with little union support for the workers, they have done with great success. Whilst some see wages in the public sector as too high they compete with the private sector for the commodity of labour which enables the government to set a benchmark for the private sector to aspire to. With the erosion of the public sector the private sector no longer has the pressure of that competition and thus wages can be frozen. There is no growth because there is no investment. It's not that the big companies don't have the money to invest rather they don't think it profitable enough for them to do so at this time. This creates unemployment which costs the taxpayer a fortune but as 1 in 4 of the FTSE 100 companies don't pay any UK taxes they don't really care plus it drives down wages. We are at the crossroads now where people living on what is deemed the minimum and those working **** hard for a living are only distinguished by whether or not they work but as Cameron keeps telling us "we have to compete with far east economies"

We need a National General Strike to bring down this evil Government of out-of-touch Public Schoolboys. Get them out asap, otherwise this summer the country will burn. you mark my words. I was right before, and I'll be right again. The worst ever riots in English history, coming soon to a town near you.

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
We need a National General Strike to bring down this evil Government of out-of-touch Public Schoolboys. Get them out asap, otherwise this summer the country will burn. you mark my words. I was right before, and I'll be right again. The worst ever riots in English history, coming soon to a town near you.

Which is why they ordered 23,000 practice and 22,000 live rounds for the X-12 taser shotgun just six months after it was used on Raul Moat. After Moats death the supplier lost their UK license and it's CEO was later found dead in his shed with his petrol lawnmower running at his side. But all was not lost as a "new" company was formed conveniently with the same address and telephone number and much the same staff and MPs were convinced of it's newness. The order was placed around the same time as crowds of peaceful student protesters were being charged by police on horseback. MPs were told that they would be needed "for the next six months". By August the following year there was disturbance following the police shooting of Mark Duggan when relatives went to the police station looking for answers. When things started to get out of hand the police were ordered to "stand down" whist the media hyped it. There were riots across the country over following nights but what could the police do? The country cried out for more police powers and Theresa May, compassionate soul that she is, happily obliged without going into any specific details. By the time of the next student protest the police were armed with batton rounds and the media that had been everywhere during the riots were nowhere to be seen. They have been prepairing for this fight for years. How many of those practice rounds are left?

@ Another Landless Peasant. Could you please spend the time reading my comments again. I am retired so quiting my job and signing on isn't necessary and I stated, I was lucky to be employed for as long as I was. I did say IF the story was true then the amounts of money paid in benefits in my opinion seemed excessive, however you paint another picture suggesting you receive ONLY £70 per week, which, IF true, it would be difficult to survive on. I'm interested why you found it necessary to reply in an aggressive manner as I wasn't judging anyone, just questioning the benefit system and interested in listening to real experiences?

@ Rolland Smoke, thank you for your intelligent detailed healthy constructed reply, however and forgive my not fully understanding but if there were a fairness fence seperating the debate i'm not sure which side your opinion would stand if at all?

Sorry couldnt make it to the mass rally today (35 people) too busy at work earning money to pay my taxes to keep the economy moving

COATSFORGOALPOSTS wrote:
@ Another Landless Peasant. Could you please spend the time reading my comments again. I am retired so quiting my job and signing on isn't necessary and I stated, I was lucky to be employed for as long as I was. I did say IF the story was true then the amounts of money paid in benefits in my opinion seemed excessive, however you paint another picture suggesting you receive ONLY £70 per week, which, IF true, it would be difficult to survive on. I'm interested why you found it necessary to reply in an aggressive manner as I wasn't judging anyone, just questioning the benefit system and interested in listening to real experiences?

@ Rolland Smoke, thank you for your intelligent detailed healthy constructed reply, however and forgive my not fully understanding but if there were a fairness fence seperating the debate i'm not sure which side your opinion would stand if at all?

Fairness is a belief and only holds the importance that you attach to it. Unfortunately the capitalist system doesn't see fairness as profitable. The human rights legislation sets boundaries for the levels of unfairness that big business can get away with but most people believe that the Tories want it scrapped because of that Abu feller. For fairness to apply you need empathy and as many of the successful capitalists are psychopaths you ain't gonna get none.

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

RollandSmoke wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

Why has he had a 25% cut in his council tax ? does he have an extra room that could be used for a more deserverable familly ? please let me know the answer to this..

I hear no mention of the poor families who work and are not getting a payrise in line with inflation, yet have still been hit with a council tax increase. its them i feel sorry for.

And dont mention how much his fuel bills may cost, because if he is harbouring a house too modest for his needs then it will take more to heat , so a simple move to a smaller property would save on his fuel bills allowing him to save money and upgrade his tv / internet connections for one with more channels and higher broadband speeds. a win win situation all round

I agree most of the jobsearch now needs to be done on the internet DWP included , however the jobcentre provide job point free of charge , the library offer internet access free of charge and there are numerous job clubs with interet access free of charge , not to mention the work progamme , which he despises so much, There he can use all the facilities he needs to find work. BUT will he take advantage of these ? NO he wont because the world owes him a living.

In my opinion he is one of those contributing to the debt of this country by bleeding it dry. Scrounging as much as he can for free out of the sytem instead of contributing towards it. And you know this but choose to ignore it and defend him.

And one last sentence

ITS A BENEFIT , NOT A GOD **** GIVEN RIGHT !!

Get back to work wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

Why has he had a 25% cut in his council tax ? does he have an extra room that could be used for a more deserverable familly ? please let me know the answer to this..

I hear no mention of the poor families who work and are not getting a payrise in line with inflation, yet have still been hit with a council tax increase. its them i feel sorry for.

And dont mention how much his fuel bills may cost, because if he is harbouring a house too modest for his needs then it will take more to heat , so a simple move to a smaller property would save on his fuel bills allowing him to save money and upgrade his tv / internet connections for one with more channels and higher broadband speeds. a win win situation all round

I agree most of the jobsearch now needs to be done on the internet DWP included , however the jobcentre provide job point free of charge , the library offer internet access free of charge and there are numerous job clubs with interet access free of charge , not to mention the work progamme , which he despises so much, There he can use all the facilities he needs to find work. BUT will he take advantage of these ? NO he wont because the world owes him a living.

In my opinion he is one of those contributing to the debt of this country by bleeding it dry. Scrounging as much as he can for free out of the sytem instead of contributing towards it. And you know this but choose to ignore it and defend him.

And one last sentence

ITS A BENEFIT , NOT A GOD **** GIVEN RIGHT !!

Your wasting your breath

Rolly and ALP think ATOS, JCP, Government and anyone else that doesn't support them financially are criminals and should be shot.

They wont listen but we all know they are in a tiny minority on here compared to those that put hard graft in to contribute to their upkeep.

In fact reading something earlier about police being better equipped to deal with riots and complaining that they are....lol

Why shouldnt be...if protests or riots get out of hand as far as Im concerned just shoot em dead....sorts out the benefits system and stops them clogging up the prisons.

Andy2010 wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

Why has he had a 25% cut in his council tax ? does he have an extra room that could be used for a more deserverable familly ? please let me know the answer to this..

I hear no mention of the poor families who work and are not getting a payrise in line with inflation, yet have still been hit with a council tax increase. its them i feel sorry for.

And dont mention how much his fuel bills may cost, because if he is harbouring a house too modest for his needs then it will take more to heat , so a simple move to a smaller property would save on his fuel bills allowing him to save money and upgrade his tv / internet connections for one with more channels and higher broadband speeds. a win win situation all round

I agree most of the jobsearch now needs to be done on the internet DWP included , however the jobcentre provide job point free of charge , the library offer internet access free of charge and there are numerous job clubs with interet access free of charge , not to mention the work progamme , which he despises so much, There he can use all the facilities he needs to find work. BUT will he take advantage of these ? NO he wont because the world owes him a living.

In my opinion he is one of those contributing to the debt of this country by bleeding it dry. Scrounging as much as he can for free out of the sytem instead of contributing towards it. And you know this but choose to ignore it and defend him.

And one last sentence

ITS A BENEFIT , NOT A GOD **** GIVEN RIGHT !!

Your wasting your breath

Rolly and ALP think ATOS, JCP, Government and anyone else that doesn't support them financially are criminals and should be shot.

They wont listen but we all know they are in a tiny minority on here compared to those that put hard graft in to contribute to their upkeep.

In fact reading something earlier about police being better equipped to deal with riots and complaining that they are....lol

Why shouldnt be...if protests or riots get out of hand as far as Im concerned just shoot em dead....sorts out the benefits system and stops them clogging up the prisons.

What do you know about hard graft Andy? Are the keys on your keyboard a bit stiff? If you find it hard commenting all on here all day why not ask your employer if there's anything else you could be doing, something more productive?
You believe human resources should be given to employers, funded by the taxpayer and see no problem with the fact that a quarter of the FTSE 100 companies pay no UK tax despite vast profits. The unemployed don't create unemployment, that is down to lack of investment ie the companies don't want them or if they do they certainly don't want to pay for them as they don't believe they would gain maximum profits at this time. The fact that you believe people should only have the right to strike or protest down the barrel of a gun just shows what a braindead individual you are and I can only hope that you are in a minority and that that minority is rapidly dwindeling. I wont tell you to wake up because I think you are only too aware of how this exploitation works, in fact you are probably profiting from it, but we are not a nation of slaves and I find anyone argueing that this is the direction we should be headed repugnant. By using financial desperation as a tool to force people into work at a time of no growth, when few if any jobs are available, can only lead to higher crime rates resulting in more taxes being needed to fund police and higher insurance premiums. So in effect you solution would leave you worse off and living in a world that you wouldn't want to live in. Did you see my comment about empathy? Do you know the meaning of the word?

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

Why has he had a 25% cut in his council tax ? does he have an extra room that could be used for a more deserverable familly ? please let me know the answer to this..

I hear no mention of the poor families who work and are not getting a payrise in line with inflation, yet have still been hit with a council tax increase. its them i feel sorry for.

And dont mention how much his fuel bills may cost, because if he is harbouring a house too modest for his needs then it will take more to heat , so a simple move to a smaller property would save on his fuel bills allowing him to save money and upgrade his tv / internet connections for one with more channels and higher broadband speeds. a win win situation all round

I agree most of the jobsearch now needs to be done on the internet DWP included , however the jobcentre provide job point free of charge , the library offer internet access free of charge and there are numerous job clubs with interet access free of charge , not to mention the work progamme , which he despises so much, There he can use all the facilities he needs to find work. BUT will he take advantage of these ? NO he wont because the world owes him a living.

In my opinion he is one of those contributing to the debt of this country by bleeding it dry. Scrounging as much as he can for free out of the sytem instead of contributing towards it. And you know this but choose to ignore it and defend him.

And one last sentence

ITS A BENEFIT , NOT A GOD **** GIVEN RIGHT !!

Your wasting your breath

Rolly and ALP think ATOS, JCP, Government and anyone else that doesn't support them financially are criminals and should be shot.

They wont listen but we all know they are in a tiny minority on here compared to those that put hard graft in to contribute to their upkeep.

In fact reading something earlier about police being better equipped to deal with riots and complaining that they are....lol

Why shouldnt be...if protests or riots get out of hand as far as Im concerned just shoot em dead....sorts out the benefits system and stops them clogging up the prisons.

What do you know about hard graft Andy? Are the keys on your keyboard a bit stiff? If you find it hard commenting all on here all day why not ask your employer if there's anything else you could be doing, something more productive?
You believe human resources should be given to employers, funded by the taxpayer and see no problem with the fact that a quarter of the FTSE 100 companies pay no UK tax despite vast profits. The unemployed don't create unemployment, that is down to lack of investment ie the companies don't want them or if they do they certainly don't want to pay for them as they don't believe they would gain maximum profits at this time. The fact that you believe people should only have the right to strike or protest down the barrel of a gun just shows what a braindead individual you are and I can only hope that you are in a minority and that that minority is rapidly dwindeling. I wont tell you to wake up because I think you are only too aware of how this exploitation works, in fact you are probably profiting from it, but we are not a nation of slaves and I find anyone argueing that this is the direction we should be headed repugnant. By using financial desperation as a tool to force people into work at a time of no growth, when few if any jobs are available, can only lead to higher crime rates resulting in more taxes being needed to fund police and higher insurance premiums. So in effect you solution would leave you worse off and living in a world that you wouldn't want to live in. Did you see my comment about empathy? Do you know the meaning of the word?

As stated before to you what hours I work and when I comment really are none of your business. Secondly you seem to think as do most like yourself that it is right to blame business for everything when in fact without FTSE companies this country would be dead. Here's an eye opener for you...Companies / businesses from a corner shop to a multinational are in business to MAKE PROFIT...shocking I know but maybe you should try and understand that. And you are referring to people on minimum wage as "slaves"?....Really?

And the cuts are driving people to crime...lol....what rubbish. No-one is literally starving and there is no need to starve in this country as even the basic of basic benefits is enough to feed yourself, heat a property. Crime is a choice not something that the people of the UK are driven to and if they do they deserve everything that follows. If that means a bigger police force then good. But then again if was a bigger police force wouldnt that mean job creation? Your arguement kinda falls down there

You and your friend ALP seem to think for some reason there are no jobs out there....this isn't the case all its just about time and effort looking. We both must have been brought up different as I instilled from a very young age that you work and you work hard, regardless of the job, regardless of the pay and regardless of the conditions. I feel myself lucky to have a job I enjoy but this wasn't until recently after decades of minimum wage jobs but even after 5 redundancies I've never had a problem finding a job if you literally spend every working hour looking for one.

The difference is quite simple here. You simply cant be bothered working as you know if you did the money you would be taxed would be spent on the likes of ALP and yourself...simple

Your one of these types that likes to blame everyone but themselves from the Government, ATOS blah blah blah just anyone, anyone at all but its never your fault is it?

As for the striking comment read back to what I actually wrote. I said the police should be able to use whatever force is necessary to break up any riots / protest that get OUT OF HAND.

How does this tie in to your version of reality?
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10302638.Bradford
_dole_queues_rise_fo
r_third_month_in_a_r
ow/

Are all these people just desperate to kick back on their £71 a week?

Why are foodbanks seeing such an upturn in the number of people being referred to them across the country?

But yeah if government policy creates crime that does create a few jobs and massive expense for the taxpayers who fund the police state ie the few remaining workers who's employers, that profit greatly from their labour, don't pay anything.

I hope your dystiopian wet dream never happens as it will be a nightmare world. Although I can see that this is the path we are being led (or should I say forced) down.

RollandSmoke wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

"we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve."

If that were true surely capitalism would collapse. It relies on people having the disposable income to buy goods and services. Can I suggest you lay off the weed. It's making you paranoid.

RollandSmoke wrote:
How does this tie in to your version of reality?
http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10302638.Bradford

_dole_queues_rise_fo

r_third_month_in_a_r

ow/

Are all these people just desperate to kick back on their £71 a week?

Why are foodbanks seeing such an upturn in the number of people being referred to them across the country?

But yeah if government policy creates crime that does create a few jobs and massive expense for the taxpayers who fund the police state ie the few remaining workers who's employers, that profit greatly from their labour, don't pay anything.

I hope your dystiopian wet dream never happens as it will be a nightmare world. Although I can see that this is the path we are being led (or should I say forced) down.

You clearly have smoked too much weed and its making you paranoid. Top and bottom of it is there are people who work and want to work and those that use whatever excuse is the flavour of the day to avoid working.

Thats about it really....oh and seen as you like your links to back up "facts"

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/femail/articl
e-2296893/Welfare-mo
ther-Tracey-MacDonal
d-defends-right-buy-
booze-cigarettes-ITV
s-Daybreak.html

BD16 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

"we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve."

If that were true surely capitalism would collapse. It relies on people having the disposable income to buy goods and services. Can I suggest you lay off the weed. It's making you paranoid.

Remember Cameron's visit to Keighley last week where he misrepresented the figures from the OBR and mislead the general public? He was claiming that they had said austerity measures were not impacting on growth. The OBR said they had told him the opposite was true and the reasons for this are very much the ones you've raised. The capitalism you describe is free market. The big players will survive the smaller ones wont and we will be left with monopolies and no choice but to use them.

RollandSmoke wrote:

BD16 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Get back to work wrote:

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
@ COATSFORGOALPOSTS

If you just want an opportunity to see it from the other side, as yousay, then please feel free to quit your job and sign on. Go on, I dare you, just try living on £70 a week and see for yourself just how luxurious a lifestyle it ain't.

And yet again , i will point out that you dont live on £70 per week.....

That £70 per week is your disposable income, that you choose to spend how you like, eg tobacco, internet, connection, TV etc !! what we call luxury items not items of neccesity !!

You forget to tell us all how your rent is paid in full every week for you. and your council tax is also paid in full for you. How any repairs that need doing around your home are done free of charge .You also get free dental treatment and free medical costs/ . prescriptions if required. Your entitled to reduced bus and rail travel for the privilidge of not having a job and free sport and leisure at certain council run facilities

So dont cry the poor tale on here that you survive on £70 per week. Its your choice to live like this. if it was so bad on benefits you would have chosen a life of work instead of being lazy scum sponging of the hard working people who get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride.

Your a disgrace to the genuine unemployed who are actively seeking employment ,who get tarred with the same brush as you.

So access to information and a means of communication when the DWP makes it more or less essential is a luxury is it? let me ask you how much are your gas, electric & water each week are these luxuries? how much is the 25% of council tax that he will be forced to pay from next month?. how much do you spend on groceries each week? add that lot up and subtract it from the £71 a week and only then do you have a figure for his disposable income. It wont be a lot and for you to think that anyone would choose to live like this because they think they would be better off than working says something about wages on offer don't you think? As I mentioned earlier the private sector don't like the public sector because they set the benchmark for the commodity of labour. It seems they are destroying welfare for the same reason. we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve. Ask David "proud to be a Zionist" Cameron the meaning of the word Goyim. You sir are a disgrace and people who "get off their backsides and do a miserable job, day in day out for the minimum wage that they probably hate with a passion but choose to work through pride" ensure that the push to cut back wages further will continue. How many workers have just in effect had a pay cut through the changes to council tax benefits?

"we are fast tracking toward a sweatshop style economy where you work for peanuts or you starve."

If that were true surely capitalism would collapse. It relies on people having the disposable income to buy goods and services. Can I suggest you lay off the weed. It's making you paranoid.

Remember Cameron's visit to Keighley last week where he misrepresented the figures from the OBR and mislead the general public? He was claiming that they had said austerity measures were not impacting on growth. The OBR said they had told him the opposite was true and the reasons for this are very much the ones you've raised. The capitalism you describe is free market. The big players will survive the smaller ones wont and we will be left with monopolies and no choice but to use them.

And your point is?

Who cares about the OBR figures etc etc etc.

What people care about is having their taxes spent on the country and not the huge percentage spent on the welfare state. No-one would argue the welfare state isnt a good thing but its there to help people in need and not professional job dodgers which even you will surely admit there are 000's of. Its about everyone pulling their weight and blame the banks or anyone else you want but at the end of the day MOST people just see layabouts like the article I posted earlier and that annoys them.

Dont bother coming back with its Cameron's fault or so report you read somewhere as its as simple as that.

Pull your weight or shut up winging

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
How does this tie in to your version of reality?
http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/10302638.Bradford


_dole_queues_rise_fo


r_third_month_in_a_r


ow/

Are all these people just desperate to kick back on their £71 a week?

Why are foodbanks seeing such an upturn in the number of people being referred to them across the country?

But yeah if government policy creates crime that does create a few jobs and massive expense for the taxpayers who fund the police state ie the few remaining workers who's employers, that profit greatly from their labour, don't pay anything.

I hope your dystiopian wet dream never happens as it will be a nightmare world. Although I can see that this is the path we are being led (or should I say forced) down.

You clearly have smoked too much weed and its making you paranoid. Top and bottom of it is there are people who work and want to work and those that use whatever excuse is the flavour of the day to avoid working.

Thats about it really....oh and seen as you like your links to back up "facts"

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/femail/articl

e-2296893/Welfare-mo

ther-Tracey-MacDonal

d-defends-right-buy-

booze-cigarettes-ITV

s-Daybreak.html

Maybe this should be the point where I do a George Galloway and say I do not debate with Daily Mail readers. It is not a basis for rational debate, it is right wing propaganda that sees facts as secondary to ideology.

Andy2010 wrote:

"Who cares about the OBR figures etc etc etc.

What people care about is having their taxes spent on the country and not the huge percentage spent on the welfare state."

So your main complaint is about the huge amount spent on the welfare budget then Andy, well as 52% of the budget is paid to pensioners and only 3% is paid to JSA claimants, obviously the bigger target to aim at is OAP's. let's see if we can't get them back into work, and earning their keep, why should we be paying to let them stay at home doing nothing all day long, going to their so-called lunch clubs and bingo, after all we can't affird a social life like that, and what with all the other perks they get, free tv licenses, free bus passes, winter heating allowances, they're coining it in.
So what doi you think Andy, shall we have a pop at the biggest recipients of the welfare budget???

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
How does this tie in to your version of reality?
http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/10302638.Bradford



_dole_queues_rise_fo



r_third_month_in_a_r



ow/

Are all these people just desperate to kick back on their £71 a week?

Why are foodbanks seeing such an upturn in the number of people being referred to them across the country?

But yeah if government policy creates crime that does create a few jobs and massive expense for the taxpayers who fund the police state ie the few remaining workers who's employers, that profit greatly from their labour, don't pay anything.

I hope your dystiopian wet dream never happens as it will be a nightmare world. Although I can see that this is the path we are being led (or should I say forced) down.

You clearly have smoked too much weed and its making you paranoid. Top and bottom of it is there are people who work and want to work and those that use whatever excuse is the flavour of the day to avoid working.

Thats about it really....oh and seen as you like your links to back up "facts"

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/femail/articl


e-2296893/Welfare-mo


ther-Tracey-MacDonal


d-defends-right-buy-


booze-cigarettes-ITV


s-Daybreak.html

Maybe this should be the point where I do a George Galloway and say I do not debate with Daily Mail readers. It is not a basis for rational debate, it is right wing propaganda that sees facts as secondary to ideology.

Bit like the internet links you keep posting then yeah

BTW i also too cant stand the DM but this story was top story on News Republic hence where the link was from

Highlights the problems perfectly though

dellorri wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:

"Who cares about the OBR figures etc etc etc.

What people care about is having their taxes spent on the country and not the huge percentage spent on the welfare state."

So your main complaint is about the huge amount spent on the welfare budget then Andy, well as 52% of the budget is paid to pensioners and only 3% is paid to JSA claimants, obviously the bigger target to aim at is OAP's. let's see if we can't get them back into work, and earning their keep, why should we be paying to let them stay at home doing nothing all day long, going to their so-called lunch clubs and bingo, after all we can't affird a social life like that, and what with all the other perks they get, free tv licenses, free bus passes, winter heating allowances, they're coining it in.
So what doi you think Andy, shall we have a pop at the biggest recipients of the welfare budget???

4% lol just lol

Factor in

Housing benefit
Council Tax Benefit
Medical
Cost of Service
School Meals
Subsidised Uniforms

To name a few and that 4% increases the state funding to about 25%.

So yes 25% paid out to the workshy feckless who cant be bothered yes I would disagree with

Anyway enough bickering. Good to see the changes announced this morning to the systems should cut back even further. Maybe when the lazy wont work brigade are starving they may get off their backsides and chip in like everyone else