Wilsden villagers' anger as 82 new houses are approved (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

If the area's schools are currently full, how is £328,090 going to solve the problem of 50 to 100 extra children in the area?
It'll only pay for 3 teachers for a couple of years or 1 extra classroom.

angry bradfordian wrote:
If the area's schools are currently full, how is £328,090 going to solve the problem of 50 to 100 extra children in the area?
It'll only pay for 3 teachers for a couple of years or 1 extra classroom.

How much do you think teachers earn?

£328000 would buy about 16/17 newly qualified teachers or 10 experienced ones!

But dont let the truth get in the way of an argument!

³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

A newly qualified teacher earns a basic salary of £21k and it rises to £31k after 6 years of pay scale rises.
If you add in training costs, pension payments, National Insurance, cover for sick leave etc. the actual cost of employing someone can nearly be double a basic salary.

Regardless of the maths, my point was that these payments for 'improving' the local area don't seem anywhere near enough to cover the long term issues that additional housing will cause.

Bone_idle18 wrote:
³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

Your right that I made an assumption. I've just looked at the planning application and 62 out of the 82 houses have 4 or 5 bedrooms so I'd imagine that families with at least one child would be moving into most of them, hence the '50 to 100 children'

I'd also agree that most of the objectors are only objecting because of the threat to their house prices.
As I don't live anywhere near there, I'm only bothered about my Council Tax being put under further strain by even more facilities being required that these payments don't cover.

Why if Planning applications are turned
down are they allowed to keep appealing and appealing until eventually
the Councl give way?

angry bradfordian wrote:
A newly qualified teacher earns a basic salary of £21k and it rises to £31k after 6 years of pay scale rises.
If you add in training costs, pension payments, National Insurance, cover for sick leave etc. the actual cost of employing someone can nearly be double a basic salary.

Regardless of the maths, my point was that these payments for 'improving' the local area don't seem anywhere near enough to cover the long term issues that additional housing will cause.

We live in an age where we don't employ new teachers, we just increase class sizes. £100k would buy a reasonably sized teaching unit for 60 children from a certain company building modular products based in Wakefield, built and on site within 6 months from planning approval. Times are a changing with the the highest birth rate since the 1950's currently going on. Something's got to be done. Regarding possible flooding problems, well, they wouldn't be that daft, would they?

Great for the local economy and great for providing work to build them!

Once again City Hall gives in to the lure of Developers' cash. Who runs Bradford, the people or big business? Why doesn't the Council listen to its citizens?

What happened to the brownfield first policy?

"Harron Homes will pay £328,090 to upgrade the area’s schools, which are currently full"

I live within a few hundred yards of Wilsden Primary and could not get in due to oversubscription. I appealed the decision and was advised that in no circumstances would there be scope to increase capacity of the school - Therefore the reception / years 1 capacity will stay the same (at 60 children). How will the extra cash help an influx of children if they are not able to increase capacity?

Also ,anyone who knows Crack Lane will also know this is already a tight country lane without footpaths (at the proposed site) and increased traffic and potential mis-use of parking at the new site could be hazardous and WILL result in accidents. This lane is also used frequently by cyclists, local horse riding schools getting access to bridleways, walkers and dog walkers.

They would also know that the field are effected heavily by the weather and as this lane is at the bottom of the hills running from Haworth Road / Shay Lane and always appears boggy with standing water on.

Finally....
"Associate director of agent CBRE James Podesta, speaking on behalf of Harron Homes, said the company had worked closely with Council officers to amend the plans, addressing all original concerns"

Working closely? I wonder what that means? Maybe a few pockets were lined!

PS - For those who posters who feel the main concern is the loss of value in properties, I live within around 100 yards from the edge of the the site and I feel this should not have a (significant) effect on values, my main concerns are above and the amenities Wilsden can offer.

Old Dave wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
If the area's schools are currently full, how is £328,090 going to solve the problem of 50 to 100 extra children in the area?
It'll only pay for 3 teachers for a couple of years or 1 extra classroom.

How much do you think teachers earn?

£328000 would buy about 16/17 newly qualified teachers or 10 experienced ones!

But dont let the truth get in the way of an argument!

You seem to overlook classrooms for these children ,what a teacher gets paid and the overall cost of employing one are completely different.Your figures are far one year I think these children be at school a little longer than that.You obviously did not did not pay attention during maths lessons when you were at school.

I've lived in Wilsden for 18 years before all the building of new houses began. I'm afraid Wilsden is becoming a small town not a village. The building on crack lane is such a disappointment. Wilsden was a lovely village where you can enjoy fresh air take lovely walks around the back lanes of Wilsden. Now though as more homes are going to be created how will the local infrastructure cope? Crack Lane will become much more busier at peak periods. The village already is busy with traffic at peak periods !. I'm afraid to say Wilsden is becoming a small town rather than a village. Such a disappointment. It just seems bradford council are trying to generate more revenue from this project. However as the councils budgets have been cut you can sympathise with them but I feel rural areas are becoming consumed in new house building projects.

Many rural areas unfortunately are getting smaller due to the amount of people we have living in this country this needing homes. Its good to see that 4 and 5 bedroom properties are going to be built but what is the cost going to be and are the bedrooms box rooms like many of the new buildings I've been to look at.

Schools full, is this not true of most if not all schools in Bradford?
On TV News this morning it is a national problem not just a Wilsden one.

allannicho wrote:
Why if Planning applications are turned
down are they allowed to keep appealing and appealing until eventually
the Councl give way?

If you bought a plot of land, wouldn't you?
Often they slightly change the plans when re-applying.

"Shipley MP Philip Davies branded yesterday’s decision a “kick in the teeth” for the people of Wilsden."

I wish Mr Davies MP would also represent the views of his constituents in Parliament, instead of backing the party line.. Roll on the next general election.

34Leafield wrote:
"Harron Homes will pay £328,090 to upgrade the area’s schools, which are currently full"

I live within a few hundred yards of Wilsden Primary and could not get in due to oversubscription. I appealed the decision and was advised that in no circumstances would there be scope to increase capacity of the school - Therefore the reception / years 1 capacity will stay the same (at 60 children). How will the extra cash help an influx of children if they are not able to increase capacity?

Also ,anyone who knows Crack Lane will also know this is already a tight country lane without footpaths (at the proposed site) and increased traffic and potential mis-use of parking at the new site could be hazardous and WILL result in accidents. This lane is also used frequently by cyclists, local horse riding schools getting access to bridleways, walkers and dog walkers.

They would also know that the field are effected heavily by the weather and as this lane is at the bottom of the hills running from Haworth Road / Shay Lane and always appears boggy with standing water on.

Finally....
"Associate director of agent CBRE James Podesta, speaking on behalf of Harron Homes, said the company had worked closely with Council officers to amend the plans, addressing all original concerns"

Working closely? I wonder what that means? Maybe a few pockets were lined!

PS - For those who posters who feel the main concern is the loss of value in properties, I live within around 100 yards from the edge of the the site and I feel this should not have a (significant) effect on values, my main concerns are above and the amenities Wilsden can offer.

Thank you for your insightful comment.

Where can you view the planning permission for these places please ?

http://www.planning4
bradford.com/online-
applications/applica
tionDetails.do?activ
eTab=summary&keyVal=
MGGWCZDHLT000

BaildonGuy wrote:
Once again City Hall gives in to the lure of Developers' cash. Who runs Bradford, the people or big business? Why doesn't the Council listen to its citizens?

What happened to the brownfield first policy?

City centres are already much more congested than rural areas, and the schools are even fuller - time to build on greenfield sites...

Outline planning was granted nearly 20 years ago . So why is everybody surprised ?.People complaining that the development will affect their house prices
will be the ones that have moved in within that 20 years the ones that live close by who chose to ignore the facts when it came up when they had a search done. .

People only in arms as the closed little village will have some newcomers....our village with our local shop...kinda freaky.

Secondly house values maybe affected in there little village.

Again who cares

Whether you support or oppose the development of the fields located on Crack Lane the integrity of the councillors involved in this process has to be questioned. Last April the development was defeated 6-1, to the delight of the objectors. 12 months later and with no significant difference to the proposals it was passed 4-3, to the delight of Haron Homes. How can that be right?

HongKongPhoey wrote:
Whether you support or oppose the development of the fields located on Crack Lane the integrity of the councillors involved in this process has to be questioned. Last April the development was defeated 6-1, to the delight of the objectors. 12 months later and with no significant difference to the proposals it was passed 4-3, to the delight of Haron Homes. How can that be right?

Stinky rat

The fear and upset which comes with these type of development is well understood as developers do not involve the community when working out their proposal. But that a side now that the Government is pro development even in the open countryside local communities don't stand a chance in getting these type of developments rejected unless the statutory consultees recommended refusal e.g highway issues. But even here it appears that there is pressure to approve developments which in previous years would have been refused.
The Governments pro development in the open countryside will destory the very thing that we all love.

Not so simple wrote:

HongKongPhoey wrote:
Whether you support or oppose the development of the fields located on Crack Lane the integrity of the councillors involved in this process has to be questioned. Last April the development was defeated 6-1, to the delight of the objectors. 12 months later and with no significant difference to the proposals it was passed 4-3, to the delight of Haron Homes. How can that be right?

Stinky rat

Also interesting that the number of houses is now greater than it was originally. It is also my understanding that the proportion of social housing included in this development falls well below government requirements. Stinky rat indeed.

The Regulatory & Appeals Committee consists of 4 Labour members and 3 Conservative members. They claim to be impartial but birds of a feather sometimes stick together.

It's the planning officers who write the biased reports recommending the committee to approve. They cosy up to the developers, because they want to rake in the section 106 money, it ticks their appraisal performance indicators, and who knows, they may land a job working for the big boys one day.
Nice work if you can get it.

All objectors are viewed as a minor inconvenience. The officers dont care because they dont live there.

The site was already allocated a Ted for housing.Planningperm
ision was inevitable so what the local no was going on about is beyond me, perhaps looking for votes? The time to object would have been at the time the site was included in the development plan.

OOh a recolection. Google 'the monkey wrench gang' Lets see how many protestors can be a community enough to be?

These days the courts dont even know how to interprate the law so protecting 'The Common Good' should baffle them entirely. £60 fine and 1 years probation? Let em' at em' I say ROFL. ( This comment was made in the vein of satire, dontchaknow. )

Oh, and just because I am aware of population statistics, building homes on 'brownfeild' sites is allowed. Just because it has the conotaion of 'brown' in it doesn't mean you are being racist or disrespecting some sacred site. Mind you the planners that work in Bradford seem to ignore many developments, many, many, for fear of upsetting certain shades of ..... Is grey a colour?

Oh well, at least we dont have Red Indians here, hell, that would be a free for all ooh by gum would it no? Or am I racist for suggesting Red Indians have no culture worth recognising. I still recall that chap up Wibsey way. Mad as a hat with feathers on but woth ten of the scum you get these days.

angry bradfordian wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:
³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

Your right that I made an assumption. I've just looked at the planning application and 62 out of the 82 houses have 4 or 5 bedrooms so I'd imagine that families with at least one child would be moving into most of them, hence the '50 to 100 children'

I'd also agree that most of the objectors are only objecting because of the threat to their house prices.
As I don't live anywhere near there, I'm only bothered about my Council Tax being put under further strain by even more facilities being required that these payments don't cover.

I live in Wilsden and think your points here are based upon a lack of local knowledge. The housing estate they propose will reduce my house cost but thats not my main opjective. I live on the outskirts where the current speed limit is 40mph, this isnt going to be altered to adhere to the extra cars in the area. My youngest child is on the waiting list for the local primary school but we cannot be assured she will get in. The school also has no room for expansion, it already struggled when becoming a primary from a first school. My daughter was also unable to have her full days at nursery school as there was enough places for demand. My son also has problems with transportation to secondary school, there is not enough transportation as it is to get all the local kids to school and is a great problem, theres no mention of help in this department. Oh yeah and doctors, if we dnt manage to fight to get through in the first 10 mins of the surgery opening in the morning then you have no chance of seeing a doctor, this service is already over stretched. I could go on with issues of saftey, facilities etc but no point. Village life Is different to living in the town centre, I know I grew up in Bradford Town Centre. The point is that there is huge objections by locals, the police agree this planning shouldn't be granted along with councillors, its been turned down many times before due to the site not being suitable so why now? Local Government getting greedy and looking at easy options to attain their target deadlines!

angry bradfordian wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:
³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

Your right that I made an assumption. I've just looked at the planning application and 62 out of the 82 houses have 4 or 5 bedrooms so I'd imagine that families with at least one child would be moving into most of them, hence the '50 to 100 children'

I'd also agree that most of the objectors are only objecting because of the threat to their house prices.
As I don't live anywhere near there, I'm only bothered about my Council Tax being put under further strain by even more facilities being required that these payments don't cover.

I live in Wilsden and think your points here are based upon a lack of local knowledge. The housing estate they propose will reduce my house cost but thats not my main opjective. I live on the outskirts where the current speed limit is 40mph, this isnt going to be altered to adhere to the extra cars in the area. My youngest child is on the waiting list for the local primary school but we cannot be assured she will get in. The school also has no room for expansion, it already struggled when becoming a primary from a first school. My daughter was also unable to have her full days at nursery school as there was enough places for demand. My son also has problems with transportation to secondary school, there is not enough transportation as it is to get all the local kids to school and is a great problem, theres no mention of help in this department. Oh yeah and doctors, if we dnt manage to fight to get through in the first 10 mins of the surgery opening in the morning then you have no chance of seeing a doctor, this service is already over stretched. I could go on with issues of saftey, facilities etc but no point. Village life Is different to living in the town centre, I know I grew up in Bradford Town Centre. The point is that there is huge objections by locals, the police agree this planning shouldn't be granted along with councillors, its been turned down many times before due to the site not being suitable so why now? Local Government getting greedy and looking at easy options to attain their target deadlines!

Bone_idle18 wrote:
³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

Good for you, obviously you dnt read the article properly, theres alot of other concerns. Even councillors and Police Force believe this development shouldn't go ahead.

Bone_idle18 wrote:
³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

Good for you, obviously you dnt read the article properly, theres alot of other concerns. Even councillors and Police Force believe this development shouldn't go ahead.

You cannot expect a decisions to go the publics way when there are brown paper envelopes passing around.

You cannot expect a decisions to go the publics way when there are brown paper envelopes passing around.

debs12345 wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:
³² houses built near us, reckon there's about ten kids extra, so not sure where you get one hundred from. Bit of an assumption there.

Just admit its house values the objectors are concerned about.

Your right that I made an assumption. I've just looked at the planning application and 62 out of the 82 houses have 4 or 5 bedrooms so I'd imagine that families with at least one child would be moving into most of them, hence the '50 to 100 children'

I'd also agree that most of the objectors are only objecting because of the threat to their house prices.
As I don't live anywhere near there, I'm only bothered about my Council Tax being put under further strain by even more facilities being required that these payments don't cover.

I live in Wilsden and think your points here are based upon a lack of local knowledge. The housing estate they propose will reduce my house cost but thats not my main opjective. I live on the outskirts where the current speed limit is 40mph, this isnt going to be altered to adhere to the extra cars in the area. My youngest child is on the waiting list for the local primary school but we cannot be assured she will get in. The school also has no room for expansion, it already struggled when becoming a primary from a first school. My daughter was also unable to have her full days at nursery school as there was enough places for demand. My son also has problems with transportation to secondary school, there is not enough transportation as it is to get all the local kids to school and is a great problem, theres no mention of help in this department. Oh yeah and doctors, if we dnt manage to fight to get through in the first 10 mins of the surgery opening in the morning then you have no chance of seeing a doctor, this service is already over stretched. I could go on with issues of saftey, facilities etc but no point. Village life Is different to living in the town centre, I know I grew up in Bradford Town Centre. The point is that there is huge objections by locals, the police agree this planning shouldn't be granted along with councillors, its been turned down many times before due to the site not being suitable so why now? Local Government getting greedy and looking at easy options to attain their target deadlines!

You state all these problems with schools and transportation that currently exist yet...you moved there !!! Or if you didnt and have lived there all your life then move to somewhere that doesnt cause you these problems

End of the day the UK is full and in need of housing to allow for the number of immigrants and general size of families on the increase.

I dont see anything wrong with building here why not?

If these are 4 or 5 bedroom homes then no doubt will be around the £250k mark so potentially the only buyers will be decent working people rather than housing tenants so no problems there. As for local infrastructure...lea
rn to deal with it