Fewer new homes needed in Bradford, says independent report (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Fewer new homes needed in Bradford, says independent report
7:00am Monday 4th March 2013 in News
Menston Action Group, who fought an unsuccessful battle to stop homes being built on two greenfield sites
Government forecasts claiming 45,900 new homes are needed in Bradford over the next 15 years could be wide of the mark by as much as 8,000, a new independent report has revealed.
The study, commissioned by Bradford Council, shows the actual number of new homes needed by 2028 could be as low as 37,572. Its highest estimate is 43,603.
It means if the report hadn’t been commissioned, and the original figure was followed, land for between 2,000 and 8,000 homes could have been allocated unnecessarily.
Bradford Council is currently drawing up its Local Plan, which will dictate how many houses need building in the district before 2028 and where they should go.
But the Council hasn’t committed to setting a lower housing target in light of the report – only that its findings would be taken into account as part of a “wider body of evidence”.
A number of councillors had questioned the high housing number set by the Government in 2007 and last year Independents sitting on the Council asked for an external company to check the figures.
The report, carried out by GVA Property Consultants and Edge Analytics at a cost of £17,000, is expected to be made public in a week’s time, but its initial findings have been revealed to the Telegraph and Argus.
The consultants said they had come up with their higher and lower estimates by looking at different scenarios, such as the number of new jobs likely to be created in the years to come.
They said by 2028 they expected between 36,478 and 42,333 new households, meaning the district would need between 37,572 and 43,603 homes, assuming a three per cent building vacancy rate.
The original government forecast, of 45,900 homes, came from the Regional Spatial Strategy, a legally-binding planning target imposed by the Labour Government, which has recently been revoked by the Coalition Government.
From now on, local authorities will be responsible for setting their own targets, but can choose to stick with the old Government figures.
Councillor Adrian Naylor (Ind, Craven), who requested the independent study last year, said the original figure had been flawed because it had just been a proportion of a national target.
He said: “The Regional Spatial Strategy, as the Government’s own planning advisory service said, was not based on evidence that we could use. What it was, was a share of a figure of two million houses that the previous government said the country needed. It was just a proportion of that.”
He said the report gave new, evidence-based figures which Bradford Council could use to set its own targets.
He said: “What we are doing is making sure we have the right data so we can have the debate about what Bradford needs.” Councillor Val Slater, executive member with responsibility for housing, said the Council would take the consultants’ report into account, as part of a larger body of evidence, when drawing up its new target.
She said: “The report only makes recommendations which the Council will consider as part of a wider body of evidence when it makes a decision on a district-wide annual housing target for the next draft of the Core Strategy part of the Local Plan.”
Councillor Simon Cooke (Con, Bingley Rural), speaking on behalf of the Conservatives, said: “The good news is that the figures have come down. The bad news is they have not come down by very much.”
He said it was all well and good setting targets, but developers weren’t building the homes they already had permission for.
He said: “As the Telegraph and Argus reported, at the moment we have got 11,000 homes with planning permission in the district which haven’t been built, and there are a number of other sites which were allocated for housing and haven’t even got planning permission.”
Councillor Jeanette Sunderland, leader of the Liberal Democrats at Bradford Council, said her party had objected to the original housing figures.
She said: “We always took a very strong line that the calculation was flawed.”
Coun Sunderland said no more land needed to be allocated for housing.
She said: “The problem with Bradford is it has got more than enough land allocated, if we add up the empty houses and land already allocated.”
A number of communities across the district have led impassioned fights to save green fields from development.
Menston Action Group is battling plans to build about 300 houses on greenfield sites in Derry Hill and Bingley Road. And Greenhill Action Group is leading a similar campaign to protect a greenfield site at Sty Lane, Micklethwaite.
Elizabeth Helmich, of the Heaton Residents’ Association, has been fighting to protect the district’s open spaces for several years.
She said: “We have got to the point where Bradford is moving further and further out and there is less and less in the centre.”
Comments(46)
RollandSmoke
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9:25am Mon 4 Mar 13
Labour's figures may have been higher but they had no way of predicting the rate at which disabled people would die after coming into contact with ATOS, the elderly would freeze due to not being able to heat their homes or that people would leave the country to escape the misery that living under this disasterous government has heaped upon them.
collos25
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9:32am Mon 4 Mar 13
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
RollandSmoke
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9:40am Mon 4 Mar 13
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
LRGardener
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9:41am Mon 4 Mar 13
It's not just that the numbers have been over-estimated, but also that Bradford Council has already approved planning permission for 13,500 new houses and has a further 16,000 standing empty. If they built on these and the 150 sites they've already approved, they could stop gobbling up Green Belt and the attractive countryside which surrounds the growing dereliction of Bradford's city centre. But the builders see more profit in building on green fields and Bradford Council wants the builders' money.
Andy2010
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10:35am Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
RollandSmoke
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10:51am Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
Albion.
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10:59am Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:Unfortunately you haven't joined them......yet!
Labour's figures may have been higher but they had no way of predicting the rate at which disabled people would die after coming into contact with ATOS, the elderly would freeze due to not being able to heat their homes or that people would leave the country to escape the misery that living under this disasterous government has heaped upon them.
We don't seem to get much in the way of reports dealing with the required services, such as roads, schools and medical facilities, especially as some new proposed housing developments are quite sizeable.
RollandSmoke
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11:02am Mon 4 Mar 13
Albion. wrote:You either Albion but then you had your winter fuel allowance that you didn't need.
RollandSmoke wrote:Unfortunately you haven't joined them......yet!
Labour's figures may have been higher but they had no way of predicting the rate at which disabled people would die after coming into contact with ATOS, the elderly would freeze due to not being able to heat their homes or that people would leave the country to escape the misery that living under this disasterous government has heaped upon them.
We don't seem to get much in the way of reports dealing with the required services, such as roads, schools and medical facilities, especially as some new proposed housing developments are quite sizeable.
Outraged English Subject
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11:28am Mon 4 Mar 13
Yawn!
Andy2010
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11:32am Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
JessWilson
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11:38am Mon 4 Mar 13
Call me picky but on a basic level of suppy and demand there is no demand for houses in bradford. if there was houses wouldn't be selling for below £50,000 (check zoopla & similar). what on earth would 45000 extra houses do to the prices of the existing housing stock. We don't all live in council/rented accomodation!
BaildonGuy
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11:49am Mon 4 Mar 13
Does Cllr Slater live in the real world? She says “developers will be able to ride roughshod over local opinion and put green space in jeopardy”.
The only people riding roughshod over local opinion are the Council. Look at the way they ignored the Buck Lane petition so they could pursue their own selfish objectives and put unwanted factories on green fields
The only people riding roughshod over local opinion are the Council. Look at the way they ignored the Buck Lane petition so they could pursue their own selfish objectives and put unwanted factories on green fields
RollandSmoke
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11:52am Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
sorrow&anger
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11:53am Mon 4 Mar 13
BaildonGuy wrote:Agree!!
Does Cllr Slater live in the real world? She says “developers will be able to ride roughshod over local opinion and put green space in jeopardy”.
The only people riding roughshod over local opinion are the Council. Look at the way they ignored the Buck Lane petition so they could pursue their own selfish objectives and put unwanted factories on green fields
Cllr Val Slater said “the Government’s current planning policy could endanger green space”.
Wrong, what a turncoat. It is City Hall’s policy that endangers green space. The way the Council just destroyed 15 acres of their own green fields at Buck Lane to make way for an unnecessary industrial estate is typical. If she’s so concerned about preserving our countryside why couldn’t her factories be built on brownfields?
angry bradfordian
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12:07pm Mon 4 Mar 13
BaildonGuy wrote:Wasn't Cllr Slater the one who threatened a war against the middle classes because they had the temerity to campaign against fields near Holme Wood being built on?
Does Cllr Slater live in the real world? She says “developers will be able to ride roughshod over local opinion and put green space in jeopardy”.
The only people riding roughshod over local opinion are the Council. Look at the way they ignored the Buck Lane petition so they could pursue their own selfish objectives and put unwanted factories on green fields
Andy2010
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12:10pm Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
angry bradfordian
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12:11pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:You obviously mustn't be reading enough comments.
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
It appears that any subject can be blamed on the government's policy on disability welfare.
I'm surprised that the article on potholes isn't being blamed on a pounding from the excessive use of crutches from people who've been forced back to work.
bobbiejane
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12:15pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Council need to revamp all empty properties in Bradford and ensure they are habitable ,private home owners that have empty properties need to lipase with council and rent empty properties out Hostels for homeless are full to busting and still there's homeless people .What kind of numbers are there gonna be in 20 year time when this generation is looking for housing ? People need to tent their empty properties out and people that are homeless need to find homes if there's a method that can connect the two then that's a major problem solved .I believe some private rented properties aren't very nice in the interior but owners want there money !
Grumpygirl
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12:16pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Suddenly Val Slater wants to preserve green fields! Fainting fits all round! Tell that to all the objectors who were enthusiastically ignored as Council Planners disregarded their own supposed brownfields-first policy and granted one green field application after another.
All that will happen now is that the Council will go on pursuing their policy of revenue generation by concreting over Bradford but put all the blame on the Government. You wouldn’t mind so much if they weren’t so transparent.
Val should go back to fighting the class war and leave planning to the grown ups.
All that will happen now is that the Council will go on pursuing their policy of revenue generation by concreting over Bradford but put all the blame on the Government. You wouldn’t mind so much if they weren’t so transparent.
Val should go back to fighting the class war and leave planning to the grown ups.
RollandSmoke
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12:31pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
bobbiejane
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12:39pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Work seems to be contagious illness to some I have M.E my legs collapse and have severe leg/toe cramps most the night .I don't claim for it but when I was on j.s a I got fed up scrounging (as I felt I was ) and went and got a cleaning g job I was about £4 week better off financial wise but in myself I feel great .now am on sick but since have been off work 14 week I will get £40 pw. for going back to work on top of my wage brilliant! And I receive it for a year
bobbiejane
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12:39pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Work seems to be contagious illness to some I have M.E my legs collapse and have severe leg/toe cramps most the night .I don't claim for it but when I was on j.s a I got fed up scrounging (as I felt I was ) and went and got a cleaning g job I was about £4 week better off financial wise but in myself I feel great .now am on sick but since have been off work 14 week I will get £40 pw. for going back to work on top of my wage brilliant! And I receive it for a year
bobbiejane
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12:39pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Work seems to be contagious illness to some I have M.E my legs collapse and have severe leg/toe cramps most the night .I don't claim for it but when I was on j.s a I got fed up scrounging (as I felt I was ) and went and got a cleaning g job I was about £4 week better off financial wise but in myself I feel great .now am on sick but since have been off work 14 week I will get £40 pw. for going back to work on top of my wage brilliant! And I receive it for a year
bobbiejane
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12:39pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Work seems to be contagious illness to some I have M.E my legs collapse and have severe leg/toe cramps most the night .I don't claim for it but when I was on j.s a I got fed up scrounging (as I felt I was ) and went and got a cleaning g job I was about £4 week better off financial wise but in myself I feel great .now am on sick but since have been off work 14 week I will get £40 pw. for going back to work on top of my wage brilliant! And I receive it for a year
Andy2010
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12:39pm Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
RollandSmoke
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12:50pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
Dragon Saddle
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12:52pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Pretty obvious really.
Why on earth are the Labour council so **** stubborn with their plans to railroad through green fields.
The evidence is flexible so why aren't they?
Why on earth are the Labour council so **** stubborn with their plans to railroad through green fields.
The evidence is flexible so why aren't they?
Andy2010
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1:00pm Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:And if they have "severe" and mean severe problems they wont get put into work. Being a bit bloody depressed doesnt mean the state should look after you for the rest of your life
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
And yes having autistic children I do understand mental health problems but its about finding the right job for them to do not about just giving them a free ride for their life
RollandSmoke
says...
1:16pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:If only there were more jobs like yours where you just sit looking at a newspaper website all day and never lift a finger or break a sweat, more people with health problems may be keener to get back to work and out of poverty.
RollandSmoke wrote:And if they have "severe" and mean severe problems they wont get put into work. Being a bit bloody depressed doesnt mean the state should look after you for the rest of your life
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
And yes having autistic children I do understand mental health problems but its about finding the right job for them to do not about just giving them a free ride for their life
Andy2010
says...
1:20pm Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:Do you know what job I do? Or what times I work?
Andy2010 wrote:If only there were more jobs like yours where you just sit looking at a newspaper website all day and never lift a finger or break a sweat, more people with health problems may be keener to get back to work and out of poverty.
RollandSmoke wrote:And if they have "severe" and mean severe problems they wont get put into work. Being a bit bloody depressed doesnt mean the state should look after you for the rest of your life
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
And yes having autistic children I do understand mental health problems but its about finding the right job for them to do not about just giving them a free ride for their life
Theres jobs for everyone out there just that some and I mean a minority cant be bothered working like yourself and would rather spend MY money on your cannabis habit
RollandSmoke
says...
1:34pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:Oh I'm sorry I'm making assumptions arn't I? You'd never make assumptions now would you? Oh you have.
RollandSmoke wrote:Do you know what job I do? Or what times I work?
Andy2010 wrote:If only there were more jobs like yours where you just sit looking at a newspaper website all day and never lift a finger or break a sweat, more people with health problems may be keener to get back to work and out of poverty.
RollandSmoke wrote:And if they have "severe" and mean severe problems they wont get put into work. Being a bit bloody depressed doesnt mean the state should look after you for the rest of your life
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
And yes having autistic children I do understand mental health problems but its about finding the right job for them to do not about just giving them a free ride for their life
Theres jobs for everyone out there just that some and I mean a minority cant be bothered working like yourself and would rather spend MY money on your cannabis habit
Andy2010
says...
1:46pm Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:The Assumption of you smoking cannabis?
Andy2010 wrote:Oh I'm sorry I'm making assumptions arn't I? You'd never make assumptions now would you? Oh you have.
RollandSmoke wrote:Do you know what job I do? Or what times I work?
Andy2010 wrote:If only there were more jobs like yours where you just sit looking at a newspaper website all day and never lift a finger or break a sweat, more people with health problems may be keener to get back to work and out of poverty.
RollandSmoke wrote:And if they have "severe" and mean severe problems they wont get put into work. Being a bit bloody depressed doesnt mean the state should look after you for the rest of your life
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
And yes having autistic children I do understand mental health problems but its about finding the right job for them to do not about just giving them a free ride for their life
Theres jobs for everyone out there just that some and I mean a minority cant be bothered working like yourself and would rather spend MY money on your cannabis habit
You openly admitted to it whilst debating the fact of whether it should be made legal and wasn't simply to keep police in jobs in another job. That isn't an assumption that's me just simply believing what you wrote
Are you now saying you don't? I would hazard a guess you do and are simply that stupid under haze of your weed hangover you haven't a clue what you said or have done previously. Of course everything is the fault of the evil government and you shouldn't have to take any responsibility of your life
I'll await your response which will no doubt contain big words and constructive sentences which are again you trying to prove that you are in fact cleverer than anyone else whilst in reality your just a typical pot head who thinks they are.
Just get a job, cut out the drugs and stop winging the world owes you a living.
basil fawlty
says...
1:53pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Clearly the earlier report figure of 45900 was flawed and a very crude estimate. But how can anyone be confident that the latest figues are any more meaningful? Do the calculations properly take acount of all the local factors like the average age of the local population, the traditionally larger families brought up by different ethnicities, the current standard/size of housing provision, the current and predicted trends for the movement of the local population due to economic factors, etc etc? I bet not! It'll be another guess based on minimal data/analysis and will therefore be almost useless.
RollandSmoke
says...
2:02pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:Oh you mean where I said I receive a medicinal benefit superior to the prescription medication and with much fewer side effects? No, the assumption I am talking about is where you say I simply can't be bothered working and would prefer to be living on ESA rather than be on the £30k+ that I was earning before my illness caused me to have to give it up. I'll end this conversation now because I'm sure you've got better things to be doing like earning your wage and you've taken us totally off topic. I don't consider myself that intelligent but I know enough to identify a dogmatic bigot and that their opinions, no matter how offensive, will never be changed.
RollandSmoke wrote:The Assumption of you smoking cannabis?
Andy2010 wrote:Oh I'm sorry I'm making assumptions arn't I? You'd never make assumptions now would you? Oh you have.
RollandSmoke wrote:Do you know what job I do? Or what times I work?
Andy2010 wrote:If only there were more jobs like yours where you just sit looking at a newspaper website all day and never lift a finger or break a sweat, more people with health problems may be keener to get back to work and out of poverty.
RollandSmoke wrote:And if they have "severe" and mean severe problems they wont get put into work. Being a bit bloody depressed doesnt mean the state should look after you for the rest of your life
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
And yes having autistic children I do understand mental health problems but its about finding the right job for them to do not about just giving them a free ride for their life
Theres jobs for everyone out there just that some and I mean a minority cant be bothered working like yourself and would rather spend MY money on your cannabis habit
You openly admitted to it whilst debating the fact of whether it should be made legal and wasn't simply to keep police in jobs in another job. That isn't an assumption that's me just simply believing what you wrote
Are you now saying you don't? I would hazard a guess you do and are simply that stupid under haze of your weed hangover you haven't a clue what you said or have done previously. Of course everything is the fault of the evil government and you shouldn't have to take any responsibility of your life
I'll await your response which will no doubt contain big words and constructive sentences which are again you trying to prove that you are in fact cleverer than anyone else whilst in reality your just a typical pot head who thinks they are.
Just get a job, cut out the drugs and stop winging the world owes you a living.
Outraged English Subject
says...
2:09pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Me thinks you touched a nerve there Roll, got all personal lol, spend his money lol
RollandSmoke
says...
2:22pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Outraged English Subject wrote:I'd feel guilty what with him being on minimum wage n' all.
Me thinks you touched a nerve there Roll, got all personal lol, spend his money lol
Andy2010
says...
2:31pm Mon 4 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:And there you have it lol
Andy2010 wrote:Oh you mean where I said I receive a medicinal benefit superior to the prescription medication and with much fewer side effects? No, the assumption I am talking about is where you say I simply can't be bothered working and would prefer to be living on ESA rather than be on the £30k+ that I was earning before my illness caused me to have to give it up. I'll end this conversation now because I'm sure you've got better things to be doing like earning your wage and you've taken us totally off topic. I don't consider myself that intelligent but I know enough to identify a dogmatic bigot and that their opinions, no matter how offensive, will never be changed.
RollandSmoke wrote:The Assumption of you smoking cannabis?
Andy2010 wrote:Oh I'm sorry I'm making assumptions arn't I? You'd never make assumptions now would you? Oh you have.
RollandSmoke wrote:Do you know what job I do? Or what times I work?
Andy2010 wrote:If only there were more jobs like yours where you just sit looking at a newspaper website all day and never lift a finger or break a sweat, more people with health problems may be keener to get back to work and out of poverty.
RollandSmoke wrote:And if they have "severe" and mean severe problems they wont get put into work. Being a bit bloody depressed doesnt mean the state should look after you for the rest of your life
Andy2010 wrote:You've certainly got no understanding of mental health problems have you? Those suffering are often incapable of dealing with it.
RollandSmoke wrote:Sorry but using him for an example obviously he cant do driving jobs but they have secured him a role as an office junior.
Andy2010 wrote:If he ends up killing himself and possibly others by having a fit in the workplace is that OK? I would be suprised if many employers would be able to secure the correct insurance to enable them to employ him. ATOS are finding far too many people fit for work only for the decision to be overturned at appeal, but in the meantime that person is put under a great deal of stress and for those with mental health problems this can have devestating effects. I never claimed that the poor were leaving the country as they are unlikely to be able to afford it, but whoever leaves the effect on housing will be the same
RollandSmoke wrote:OK Fair point
Andy2010 wrote:If people are dying because they can no longer afford to heat their homes, or through being forced into work that causes complications in existing medical conditions, or are committing suicide due to the pressure they are being put under or even leave the country because they can no longer tolerate living here then that frees up a load of houses that then reduces the number that need building. All these things are something that the government could, but don't, do something about. I wouldn't have thought that was so hard to understand but then your not a very understanding person are you?
RollandSmoke wrote:OK I have read your 2nd comment.
Andy2010 wrote:You don't follow threads very well do you Andy? try looking at the 2nd comment. Or alternatively do what you usually do and tell us all how this government is the best thing since sliced bread then run off with your tail between your legs when asked for an example of what they have done right since not getting elected.
RollandSmoke wrote:Whats that got to do with house building?
collos25 wrote:Very true, between jan-nov 2011 10,600 people died within six weeks of being found fit for work by ATOS. How many died under the same circumstances in any given year under Labour?
ATOS and its rules were brought in by the labour party.
I reiterate...what has disabled people...ATOS and the Government got to do with Bradford House building policies?
The heating arguement I can kinda understand but thats what the winter fuel allowance and hardship schemes are in place for so not really an issue. As for people being put back into work...so what....if they are genuinely in a situation they cannot work they will be on benefits and if not they should pull their weight. A friend of mine for example hasnt worked a day in life in 25 years on the basis of epilesy. He admits to me hasnt had a fit in about 8 years now but tells the doctors and such he has them frequently. ATOS have now informed him he has to go to work and even helped him secure a job so it does in fact work....Now if he chooses to top himself because he doesnt like working well sorry but tough s**t.
As for all the people leaving the country....c'mon seriously...the only people leaving are the ones that can afford it and rightly so
How exactly is he going to kill himself and others by having a fit? I have worked with various people with epilesy over the years and even some that had fits at work but they carried on.
Oh and diddums if work is causing them stress....deal with it like the rest of us
And yes having autistic children I do understand mental health problems but its about finding the right job for them to do not about just giving them a free ride for their life
Theres jobs for everyone out there just that some and I mean a minority cant be bothered working like yourself and would rather spend MY money on your cannabis habit
You openly admitted to it whilst debating the fact of whether it should be made legal and wasn't simply to keep police in jobs in another job. That isn't an assumption that's me just simply believing what you wrote
Are you now saying you don't? I would hazard a guess you do and are simply that stupid under haze of your weed hangover you haven't a clue what you said or have done previously. Of course everything is the fault of the evil government and you shouldn't have to take any responsibility of your life
I'll await your response which will no doubt contain big words and constructive sentences which are again you trying to prove that you are in fact cleverer than anyone else whilst in reality your just a typical pot head who thinks they are.
Just get a job, cut out the drugs and stop winging the world owes you a living.
twinkle1965
says...
5:56pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Does this mean my Hubbie will get his building job up and running again??? And will I get my house in Leaventhorpe lane ???? Please God .
Not so simple
says...
6:42pm Mon 4 Mar 13
I find the figures rather odd.
We have had a bit of a baby boom going on in Bradford for the last 30 years, this is set to continue with our eastern European cousins who have been popping over and settling in the city.
Furthermore the Bulagaian and Romanians will soon be following their european counterparts to here. Another population increase.
I read somewhere that the amount of people waiting on the housing register with Incommunities and other housing providers is around 30,000! That's a conservative estimate based on today's immediate needs.
This entire play down of the figures suggests that this Council is already well off the mark to ensure a sustainable Bradford for all of us.
Where all these extra people are going to work is another issue.
The schools and infrastructure needed to service all these extra people and homes will need many more thousands to be spent by recruiting consultants.
I repeat Bradford Council is not fit for purpose....
We have had a bit of a baby boom going on in Bradford for the last 30 years, this is set to continue with our eastern European cousins who have been popping over and settling in the city.
Furthermore the Bulagaian and Romanians will soon be following their european counterparts to here. Another population increase.
I read somewhere that the amount of people waiting on the housing register with Incommunities and other housing providers is around 30,000! That's a conservative estimate based on today's immediate needs.
This entire play down of the figures suggests that this Council is already well off the mark to ensure a sustainable Bradford for all of us.
Where all these extra people are going to work is another issue.
The schools and infrastructure needed to service all these extra people and homes will need many more thousands to be spent by recruiting consultants.
I repeat Bradford Council is not fit for purpose....
Victor Clayton
says...
6:38am Tue 5 Mar 13
Not so simple wrote:Maybe they need to invest in a magic wand.
I find the figures rather odd.
We have had a bit of a baby boom going on in Bradford for the last 30 years, this is set to continue with our eastern European cousins who have been popping over and settling in the city.
Furthermore the Bulagaian and Romanians will soon be following their european counterparts to here. Another population increase.
I read somewhere that the amount of people waiting on the housing register with Incommunities and other housing providers is around 30,000! That's a conservative estimate based on today's immediate needs.
This entire play down of the figures suggests that this Council is already well off the mark to ensure a sustainable Bradford for all of us.
Where all these extra people are going to work is another issue.
The schools and infrastructure needed to service all these extra people and homes will need many more thousands to be spent by recruiting consultants.
I repeat Bradford Council is not fit for purpose....
Not so simple
says...
8:28pm Tue 5 Mar 13
Victor Clayton wrote:They've been waving this wand and dumbed downed the people of Bradford to get used to failure and incompetent planning.
Not so simple wrote:Maybe they need to invest in a magic wand.
I find the figures rather odd.
We have had a bit of a baby boom going on in Bradford for the last 30 years, this is set to continue with our eastern European cousins who have been popping over and settling in the city.
Furthermore the Bulagaian and Romanians will soon be following their european counterparts to here. Another population increase.
I read somewhere that the amount of people waiting on the housing register with Incommunities and other housing providers is around 30,000! That's a conservative estimate based on today's immediate needs.
This entire play down of the figures suggests that this Council is already well off the mark to ensure a sustainable Bradford for all of us.
Where all these extra people are going to work is another issue.
The schools and infrastructure needed to service all these extra people and homes will need many more thousands to be spent by recruiting consultants.
I repeat Bradford Council is not fit for purpose....
Well done to the wizards of Bradford council....for keeping us all in the dark for so long.
I repeat: sack the lot of em and investigate everything they've done and not done....many dirty rats will emerge no doubt.
chainbaar
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10:52pm Tue 5 Mar 13
The Council officers will only give the planning permission if the builders agree to pay the Council lots of money.
twinkle1965
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10:16am Wed 6 Mar 13
Surely they will make lots of money from all the council tax they will get from all those new houses going up. They will build the greater amount because they will make lots more money on them.
Shelfrhino
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6:51pm Fri 8 Mar 13
RollandSmoke wrote:Clearly an excellent policy if it is reducing the number of bogus claimants.
Labour's figures may have been higher but they had no way of predicting the rate at which disabled people would die after coming into contact with ATOS, the elderly would freeze due to not being able to heat their homes or that people would leave the country to escape the misery that living under this disasterous government has heaped upon them.
As far as the projected number of new builds needed goes, I would have thought that the initial estimate of 49,500 was 49,000 over what will be required in the thirty years.
Bradford is clearly a dying dump.
Not so simple
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12:08am Sat 9 Mar 13
Shelfrhino wrote:Dying? It's in intensive care...I use the word 'care' loosely
RollandSmoke wrote:Clearly an excellent policy if it is reducing the number of bogus claimants.
Labour's figures may have been higher but they had no way of predicting the rate at which disabled people would die after coming into contact with ATOS, the elderly would freeze due to not being able to heat their homes or that people would leave the country to escape the misery that living under this disasterous government has heaped upon them.
As far as the projected number of new builds needed goes, I would have thought that the initial estimate of 49,500 was 49,000 over what will be required in the thirty years.
Bradford is clearly a dying dump.
collos25 says...
9:04am Mon 4 Mar 13