Bradford Council attempts to close down Thornbury fair (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Well the Council not had success with closing illegal market so I do not think they will in this case as the fair intends to leave in 10 days.

Your not telling me a council cannot shut an illegal fair down or perhaps a few brown envelopes have changed hands to slow the procedure down.

collos25 wrote:
Your not telling me a council cannot shut an illegal fair down or perhaps a few brown envelopes have changed hands to slow the procedure down.

How do you expect the Council to do it?
Doubtful to me a piece of legal paper will do it.

Joedavid wrote:

collos25 wrote:
Your not telling me a council cannot shut an illegal fair down or perhaps a few brown envelopes have changed hands to slow the procedure down.

How do you expect the Council to do it?
Doubtful to me a piece of legal paper will do it.

Everytime I read something about Bradford Council, corruption comes to mind.

They might wear nice suits and ties but they seem to be on a par with their Afghan and Somalian counterparts.

Only one circus can allow such a fun fair....well done to Bradford Council, you are again the joke of the town or the clown of the day.

Characteristically laughable situation regards to Bradford Councils competencies. That’s until someone' children are flung out of some ride and badly injured or worse are killed!

Send in Elf'n'Safety. That should do it!

Councillor Khaliq should think twice with his statements. What about the illegal bazaar. Perhaps the funfair owner should raise this subject. What's good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak.

Safety should be paramount, i can't believe the fairground is up and running without the councils approval

i have lived in several towns and cities; and i have to say this council is a laughing stock, they couldnt close down the several illegal markets in the city, which has affected so many businesses who were trading, not only that but the illegal benefit taking traders who work in these bazaars is an even worse situation which the council turned a blind eye to. I have to take my hat off to the original bazaar (cemetry road - now an Asda), as they were fair and closed immediately when they realised they had no permission. Well coming back to the fair guy, well done to him, the council is soft, so why not. All theses illegal markets, car washes etc... what next. Anyway he will be gone in 10 days time, also it livens the wasteland up for a while, if he wasnt there im sure an illegal market would be there instead!!!!

I saw pictures of what was there before, and as a photographer, an architecture lover and historian I find it appalling that apparently some garish cheap entertainment wins out over your historical heritage and simple beauty.

I love visiting the UK, it's a collection of amazing places, but every time it also shocks me to see how little regard you, the locals, seem to have for any of it.

If this fair is operating illegally, is it covered by public liability insurance?

Seriously, if any one in their right mind wants to visit a FUN fayre on a disused tram shed......we really have hit rock bottom in our society, there is no more pleasantry in our society, God help us.

this fun fair will probably draw in more people than the pond,as for safety is paramount just because its not got council approval it does not mean its unsafe

I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

sexysam wrote:
I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

Surely the council have a duty of care to us the public and check that it is safe for us to go on the rides etc.
If the necessary checks not made or failed it should be closed immediately.
Hope you will sleep well if someone hurt tonight or during the fairs stay.

I can reassure you that all safety measures will be in place for the length of this fair.
The showmen are members of a guild, they have public liability insurance, they have to have their rides electrically tested and mechanically tested. They even have licenses to play music. They will be paying rent for staying on that land to the owner as well.
The person running the fair will make sure that noise will be kept to a minimum, there will no doubt also be SIA approved security on the site.
The paper is making out that it is irrisponsible people running this fair, its so far from it.
Also as for accidents, more likely to happen on a static fairground than on a travelling fairground as unlike a static fairground, travelling fairgrounds inspect their rides daily.
At the end of the day they are a business and are trying to make a living like the rest of us. Its a shame that a few killjoys have to spoil it for the majority.
As for health and safety, they will have copies of all the test papers for all these rides.

warrenuk wrote:
I can reassure you that all safety measures will be in place for the length of this fair.
The showmen are members of a guild, they have public liability insurance, they have to have their rides electrically tested and mechanically tested. They even have licenses to play music. They will be paying rent for staying on that land to the owner as well.
The person running the fair will make sure that noise will be kept to a minimum, there will no doubt also be SIA approved security on the site.
The paper is making out that it is irrisponsible people running this fair, its so far from it.
Also as for accidents, more likely to happen on a static fairground than on a travelling fairground as unlike a static fairground, travelling fairgrounds inspect their rides daily.
At the end of the day they are a business and are trying to make a living like the rest of us. Its a shame that a few killjoys have to spoil it for the majority.
As for health and safety, they will have copies of all the test papers for all these rides.

Thank you for those assurances, but if all that in place one would think they would have known to apply for the Councils licence before the 6 weeks quoted in the T&A article.

How do we know that he hasn't?
It takes plenty of planning to hold a fair like this, its not something done at the last minute.
I have handed important documents over to the council before including bank details and they have got lost in the system somewhere either to be found months later or never at all.
I have learnt my lesson on that one though and i always ask for a receipt now.

Joedavid wrote:

sexysam wrote:
I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

Surely the council have a duty of care to us the public and check that it is safe for us to go on the rides etc.
If the necessary checks not made or failed it should be closed immediately.
Hope you will sleep well if someone hurt tonight or during the fairs stay.

No the Council does not have a duty to protect the public from every possibility of harm,Everybody has a duty to take care of themselves.The fayre is responsible for any injury to you.Its their duty to make sure all equipment is safe to use.Also by the time the council serves the appropriate notice, the fayres 10 days are up, does not mean that they have gotten away with it.The Council will normally report and prosecute them some times later.

Bradford Moor people have to put up with enough strife without this landing on the doorstep (literally!)

The poor kids have the worst schools in Bradford too like Bradford Moor Community Primary. Bringing the area down even further.

Thats a bit bad saying that the local school brings down the area even further yet people are wanting the council to take a stand for them.
Maybe the owners of the rides could do something with the local schools which may encourage the children to learn.
Maybe some of the adults could also do with learning about fairgrounds as well.
They are not rich people, they have worked hard to buy their rides, they work over a 12 hour day and they are struggling like the rest of us in todays economic climate.

warrenuk wrote:
How do we know that he hasn't?
It takes plenty of planning to hold a fair like this, its not something done at the last minute.
I have handed important documents over to the council before including bank details and they have got lost in the system somewhere either to be found months later or never at all.
I have learnt my lesson on that one though and i always ask for a receipt now.

But Councillor Ghazanfer Khaliq (Lab, Bradford Moor) maintained the fair did not have a licence and that the Council had only received Mr Finnie’s application for one on Thursday.

The consultation process for decisions on licence applications is four to six weeks, according to Coun Khaliq.

sexysam wrote:
I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

Where there is danger to live and limb then the council can take steps at once,
Fot one there is no safety certificate and now insurance.
Typical council bashers have a good reason the council has its head in the sand.You should read and learn a little more and find out what the law of the land actually is before you come onto a forum spouting rubbish.

sexysam wrote:
I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

Where there is danger to live and limb then the council can take steps at once,
Fot one there is no safety certificate and now insurance.
Typical council bashers have a good reason the council has its head in the sand.You should read and learn a little more and find out what the law of the land actually is before you come onto a forum spouting rubbish.

Councillor needs to check his facts.

This fair can operate without any permission for any 14 days within a year.

So as long as they are not open for more than 14 days they are fine.

Also how is it that tradex bazaar is operating an full size indoor fairground every weekend with out permission?

A real safety hazard. With out any ventilation and if there was to be a fire the result would a disaster. I have phoned the council twice with my concerns but no one has called back or taken me serious.
The council seem to be frightened of tradex.

collos25 wrote:

sexysam wrote: I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

Where there is danger to live and limb then the council can take steps at once, Fot one there is no safety certificate and now insurance. Typical council bashers have a good reason the council has its head in the sand.You should read and learn a little more and find out what the law of the land actually is before you come onto a forum spouting rubbish.

Where there is danger to live and limb then the council can take steps at once,
Fot one there is no safety certificate and now insurance.
COLLOS25 wrote "Typical council bashers have a good reason the council has its head in the sand.You should read and learn a little more and find out what the law of the land actually is before you come onto a forum spouting rubbish.”

I'm sorry but all fairground operaters have to have test certificates which unless they have then they cannot open, all the rides are registered which you will their registration numbers displayed or ask them for it. They are all to have public liability insurance as well as they aren't allowed to open whether it be on public land or private land.
There is alot of ignorance on this subject but if you look on the complainant facebook site she does add a link to this page and states to make comments.
This is nothing more than a witch hunt against the owner of the site and god help anyone who goes on that land no matter for what purpose.
I bet most of those who are putting negative comments are members of the said witch hunt.
If in any doubt contain the showmens guild of great britian and they will send you a statement stating the requirements for owning a ride. For those who have no idea what the guid is, its like the CORGI scheme gas engineers have to be a member of before they can trade.
Until you have solid proof that these showmen are operating without these certificate of safety or insurance then please keep your slanderous remarks to yourself.

warrenuk wrote:

collos25 wrote:

sexysam wrote: I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

Where there is danger to live and limb then the council can take steps at once, Fot one there is no safety certificate and now insurance. Typical council bashers have a good reason the council has its head in the sand.You should read and learn a little more and find out what the law of the land actually is before you come onto a forum spouting rubbish.

Where there is danger to live and limb then the council can take steps at once,
Fot one there is no safety certificate and now insurance.
COLLOS25 wrote "Typical council bashers have a good reason the council has its head in the sand.You should read and learn a little more and find out what the law of the land actually is before you come onto a forum spouting rubbish.”

I'm sorry but all fairground operaters have to have test certificates which unless they have then they cannot open, all the rides are registered which you will their registration numbers displayed or ask them for it. They are all to have public liability insurance as well as they aren't allowed to open whether it be on public land or private land.
There is alot of ignorance on this subject but if you look on the complainant facebook site she does add a link to this page and states to make comments.
This is nothing more than a witch hunt against the owner of the site and god help anyone who goes on that land no matter for what purpose.
I bet most of those who are putting negative comments are members of the said witch hunt.
If in any doubt contain the showmens guild of great britian and they will send you a statement stating the requirements for owning a ride. For those who have no idea what the guid is, its like the CORGI scheme gas engineers have to be a member of before they can trade.
Until you have solid proof that these showmen are operating without these certificate of safety or insurance then please keep your slanderous remarks to yourself.

CORGI has long since ceased to be, it was replaced by the Gas Safe Register, years ago.

sexysam wrote:
I notice the typical Council bashers are out in full force again with slanderous comments about the Council and its Officers.There is no appeasing some people here. The Council have to follow set legal procedures to remove or take action against some one doing something illegal.They can not simply act like some 3rd world country state in who just use brute force to deal with things.Some of you will say that is in fact how it should be dealt with.That's fine,but don't complain if the next time it involves you, your family or your property.Would be interested to hear how these Council bashers would deal with situations like this and within the law of the land.

How much is the Council paying you to say that?

Or are you an employee?

That was an example which most people would of understood what i meant.
The majority of people commenting on here are members of the witch hunt and don't know anything about the showmens way of life, they are just out to get at the owner of the site.
I'd happily take my children to this fair and put them on the rides as i know they are safe.
This is just like the Pied Piper and all the sewer rats follow :)

As a teenager, thirty plus years ago, I often went to the local 'Feast.' It was a fair just like this one, and I'm sure they completed the health and safety protocols. How much is it going to cost Councillor Khaliq to attempt closure?

The Fair or 'Feast' will only be there for a few days. It will provide alternative entertainment for families, involving everyone. It' a chance of a get-together away from computers and tv.

Once again the local Labour Pary has disconnected itself from English life. Ultimately, Councillor Khaliq has two scrap yards within his ward that make a good deal more noise. Bradford Council continues to support the makers of noise, inflicting it upon the wider communities of Bradford Moor and Bowling.

Commonsensefirst wrote:
As a teenager, thirty plus years ago, I often went to the local 'Feast.' It was a fair just like this one, and I'm sure they completed the health and safety protocols. How much is it going to cost Councillor Khaliq to attempt closure?

The Fair or 'Feast' will only be there for a few days. It will provide alternative entertainment for families, involving everyone. It' a chance of a get-together away from computers and tv.

Once again the local Labour Pary has disconnected itself from English life. Ultimately, Councillor Khaliq has two scrap yards within his ward that make a good deal more noise. Bradford Council continues to support the makers of noise, inflicting it upon the wider communities of Bradford Moor and Bowling.

So presumably you think that people should just do whatever they like....and stuff the consequences, or rules, or objections?
The only thing that annoys me is that this is yet another example of the council allowing someone to ride roughshod over them, much like the weekly "new illegal travellers camp" or "horse tethering" or "dog messing" or indeed the bazaars.

What about the fair that Tradex have set up in its grounds, which going by their past record you can almost bet there's infringement?

Well said Avro, that is so true about Tradex, More than likely illegal fair!!!!! Where is the council now to close that down?

Avro wrote:
What about the fair that Tradex have set up in its grounds, which going by their past record you can almost bet there's infringement?

Avro it's indoor.

Can you imagine a fire with the asbestos roof they have.

Why is the council soft on this mob?

Albion. wrote:

Commonsensefirst wrote:
As a teenager, thirty plus years ago, I often went to the local 'Feast.' It was a fair just like this one, and I'm sure they completed the health and safety protocols. How much is it going to cost Councillor Khaliq to attempt closure?

The Fair or 'Feast' will only be there for a few days. It will provide alternative entertainment for families, involving everyone. It' a chance of a get-together away from computers and tv.

Once again the local Labour Pary has disconnected itself from English life. Ultimately, Councillor Khaliq has two scrap yards within his ward that make a good deal more noise. Bradford Council continues to support the makers of noise, inflicting it upon the wider communities of Bradford Moor and Bowling.

So presumably you think that people should just do whatever they like....and stuff the consequences, or rules, or objections?
The only thing that annoys me is that this is yet another example of the council allowing someone to ride roughshod over them, much like the weekly "new illegal travellers camp" or "horse tethering" or "dog messing" or indeed the bazaars.

No, Albion, I do not think people should do whatever they like, but there is at least one scrap yard within Councillor Khaliq's ward that seems to do what they please, irrespective of the local residents. The fair will only be around for a few days. Go and enjoy yourself.

Commonsensefirst wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Commonsensefirst wrote:
As a teenager, thirty plus years ago, I often went to the local 'Feast.' It was a fair just like this one, and I'm sure they completed the health and safety protocols. How much is it going to cost Councillor Khaliq to attempt closure?

The Fair or 'Feast' will only be there for a few days. It will provide alternative entertainment for families, involving everyone. It' a chance of a get-together away from computers and tv.

Once again the local Labour Pary has disconnected itself from English life. Ultimately, Councillor Khaliq has two scrap yards within his ward that make a good deal more noise. Bradford Council continues to support the makers of noise, inflicting it upon the wider communities of Bradford Moor and Bowling.

So presumably you think that people should just do whatever they like....and stuff the consequences, or rules, or objections?
The only thing that annoys me is that this is yet another example of the council allowing someone to ride roughshod over them, much like the weekly "new illegal travellers camp" or "horse tethering" or "dog messing" or indeed the bazaars.

No, Albion, I do not think people should do whatever they like, but there is at least one scrap yard within Councillor Khaliq's ward that seems to do what they please, irrespective of the local residents. The fair will only be around for a few days. Go and enjoy yourself.

So because (you claim) he hasn't done anything about the scrapyard, he shouldn't do anything about anything?
The scrapyard isn't actually relevant to this thread anyway.

Albion. wrote:

Commonsensefirst wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Commonsensefirst wrote: As a teenager, thirty plus years ago, I often went to the local 'Feast.' It was a fair just like this one, and I'm sure they completed the health and safety protocols. How much is it going to cost Councillor Khaliq to attempt closure? The Fair or 'Feast' will only be there for a few days. It will provide alternative entertainment for families, involving everyone. It' a chance of a get-together away from computers and tv. Once again the local Labour Pary has disconnected itself from English life. Ultimately, Councillor Khaliq has two scrap yards within his ward that make a good deal more noise. Bradford Council continues to support the makers of noise, inflicting it upon the wider communities of Bradford Moor and Bowling.

So presumably you think that people should just do whatever they like....and stuff the consequences, or rules, or objections? The only thing that annoys me is that this is yet another example of the council allowing someone to ride roughshod over them, much like the weekly "new illegal travellers camp" or "horse tethering" or "dog messing" or indeed the bazaars.

No, Albion, I do not think people should do whatever they like, but there is at least one scrap yard within Councillor Khaliq's ward that seems to do what they please, irrespective of the local residents. The fair will only be around for a few days. Go and enjoy yourself.

So because (you claim) he hasn't done anything about the scrapyard, he shouldn't do anything about anything? The scrapyard isn't actually relevant to this thread anyway.

It's about being consistent.

Does the council check documents for every fair that appears in Bradford?

Tradex building does not hold planning permission for a fair. I've not heard any councillors making a noice over this fair. Infact upto this date I have never heard the local councillors speak for or against tradex bazaar. They sit on the fence.

I wonder who us upset and affected with this thornbury fair. Not tradex by anychance?

Sally Way wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Commonsensefirst wrote:

Albion. wrote:

Commonsensefirst wrote: As a teenager, thirty plus years ago, I often went to the local 'Feast.' It was a fair just like this one, and I'm sure they completed the health and safety protocols. How much is it going to cost Councillor Khaliq to attempt closure? The Fair or 'Feast' will only be there for a few days. It will provide alternative entertainment for families, involving everyone. It' a chance of a get-together away from computers and tv. Once again the local Labour Pary has disconnected itself from English life. Ultimately, Councillor Khaliq has two scrap yards within his ward that make a good deal more noise. Bradford Council continues to support the makers of noise, inflicting it upon the wider communities of Bradford Moor and Bowling.

So presumably you think that people should just do whatever they like....and stuff the consequences, or rules, or objections? The only thing that annoys me is that this is yet another example of the council allowing someone to ride roughshod over them, much like the weekly "new illegal travellers camp" or "horse tethering" or "dog messing" or indeed the bazaars.

No, Albion, I do not think people should do whatever they like, but there is at least one scrap yard within Councillor Khaliq's ward that seems to do what they please, irrespective of the local residents. The fair will only be around for a few days. Go and enjoy yourself.

So because (you claim) he hasn't done anything about the scrapyard, he shouldn't do anything about anything? The scrapyard isn't actually relevant to this thread anyway.

It's about being consistent.

Does the council check documents for every fair that appears in Bradford?

Tradex building does not hold planning permission for a fair. I've not heard any councillors making a noice over this fair. Infact upto this date I have never heard the local councillors speak for or against tradex bazaar. They sit on the fence.

I wonder who us upset and affected with this thornbury fair. Not tradex by anychance?

Tradex isn't in his ward.

I came here through this request on Facebook. The request was to bump the piece to the front page by clicking the link. A fair request, it leaves everybody free to form their own opinion. There was NO call for a 'witch hunt' or even to comment.

I commented because I wanted to, enough so that I let this newspaper's Facebook app collect an insane amount of data on me. (Access to my pictures? Ah well, they are watermarked and if they like them, my licensing fees are reasonable.)

I'm not against fun fayres, even though I thoroughly dislike them myself.

I'm not 'in the know' about all these other side issues, although it seems to me they are probably as deserving of some attention. If only because they seem to polarize people a lot.

I'm certainly not against entrepreneurs making money. As a classivcal liberal, that would be like a jockey disliking horses.

I merely feel that it is shortsighted in the extreme the way that much of your heritage is left to decay, or outright demolished. Just some tram sheds? Some day you'll realize that grand opera houses are the same the world over, but industrial era architecture is what the UK is famous for worldwide. (Not saying your castles don't deserve some more donations.)

As for the issue at hand; there have to be better locations than right on a quiet street. Can't we agree on that? I'm sure the people working those attractions prefer happy customers over angry locals any day, too.

I hope to visit your area some day. The
architecture alone cries out to me to grab my camera. I hope, by that time, there's stuff left to photograph.

Have a lovely week, all. And remember; council members are like underwear: useful when clean, preferably not too big, everybody knows they are there but you hardly ever see them, and when you really want to have fun they tend to get in the way. ;-)

David, the tramsheds have been disused for years and were actually bus sheds by the time they changed use into a lighhting factory, I hear what you are saying about heritage but in this instance they were altered and amended beyond being savable as heritage affairs.

I have said the same about the modern monstrosities close to Little Germany. Why we allowed thes eto be built at a time when regen funds were available I do not know, what better REGENERATION is there than restoring and old building with the intricate and attractive design of architecture to create a working environment that is obviously sustainable with effort as they have stood the test of time with little investment. Instead I am sat in a concrete tower looking at the dome of Eastbrook Hall and the buildings beyond.

Once Bradford Council allowed the Tradex illegal bazaar to continue they effectively signalled a free from all in the city.

Guess what? They have got exactly what they wanted and what anyone with an ounce of sense could have predicted.

Close down Tradex now and reverse the rot. Otherwise why would anyone else care - they can just scream discrimination.

Do you know, you have a point there.

I'm going to start my double extension this weekend, I was putting it off looking at reams of planning papers and submission reports but as the council are so far behind in chasing down people operating outside planning laws and making money they won't be concerned about little old me having a bigger house, will they?

Psssst, if I sell at profit I will give you 25% Cllr Brown(Paper Bag)

Well, if the buildings were beyond help, they must have been pretty bad. But I doubt it, take a look at how the city of Amsterdam handles buildings from the era, the NDSM Wharf, the Silo building, Westergasfabriek... Don't have time right now to track down ingo in English, but essentially they get redeveloped with respect for the old, but without fearing modernization. Sometimes the interior gets redone entirely, sometimes they leave the building intact and actually erect a building-in-a-buildi
ng inside... And not just Yuppie housing either. The NDSM Wharf, for example, mostly houses creative and small businesses, from photography studio's to artists.

I agree with you, I was just stating fact that the buildings had gone through change of use from tramshed, to bus shed/terminus and then to a lighting factory outlet. By the time demolition took place I sincerely doubt that much of the original beauty of the building was in any fit state to be regenerated, and in that part of the city no-one would invest. We can't keep the architecture and originality in the city centre, outlying areas, unless heritage site already have no chance.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
I agree with you, I was just stating fact that the buildings had gone through change of use from tramshed, to bus shed/terminus and then to a lighting factory outlet. By the time demolition took place I sincerely doubt that much of the original beauty of the building was in any fit state to be regenerated, and in that part of the city no-one would invest. We can't keep the architecture and originality in the city centre, outlying areas, unless heritage site already have no chance.

Heritage site, they refused to list the Odeon/New Victoria so I no faith or trust in English Heritage any more.

Well, it can be done... see: http://www.project-w
estergasfabriek.nl/e
nglish

I live in an area that was long thought to be beyond hope. It's slow going, but the large industrial buildings, the open spaces where before no-one built, etc. does have its appeal to developers and right now it's growing into a cultural and creative hotspot. So... keep pushing. It's not that it can't be done, it's that it needs someone with the vision to start.

I'm also a firm believer in 'local'. Often councils are more than happy to let people develop a site, if they come up with a plan. It takes a 'problem spot' off their hands...

I know of a creative outfit that got to use an abandoned petrol station, for example...

NDSM Wharf:
http://kzonedd.devia
ntart.com/art/Last-s
top-2-357271094

(That tram houses a youth club of some sort, the huge building in the background is an old boatyard which has been left intact, with modular office spaces (prefab) inside. It houses anything from a webdesign company to a skateboarding rink.-Is that the word?-)

This is an art gallery:
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So, write a proposal and simply say; you don't maintain those buildings. We will. Here's how. This is what we need, this is what we can do ourselves...

Many cities around the world, from Paris to Barcelona have success stories.

"Many cities around the world, from Paris to Barcelona have success stories"
Yes we know we been to Leeds.

Joedavid wrote:
Well the Council not had success with closing illegal market so I do not think they will in this case as the fair intends to leave in 10 days.

Your totally wrong in your facts. The owners of Tradex stand trial in April this year due to the patience of the Council in persuing the matter.

Sally Way wrote:
Councillor needs to check his facts.

This fair can operate without any permission for any 14 days within a year.

So as long as they are not open for more than 14 days they are fine.

Also how is it that tradex bazaar is operating an full size indoor fairground every weekend with out permission?

A real safety hazard. With out any ventilation and if there was to be a fire the result would a disaster. I have phoned the council twice with my concerns but no one has called back or taken me serious.
The council seem to be frightened of tradex.

If the Council is frightened of Tradex - Then why did the T & A report last December that the owners of Tradex face trial in Crown Court this April.

Reality001 wrote:

Joedavid wrote:
Well the Council not had success with closing illegal market so I do not think they will in this case as the fair intends to leave in 10 days.

Your totally wrong in your facts. The owners of Tradex stand trial in April this year due to the patience of the Council in persuing the matter.

No I'm not, I'm right it is not closed it is still open.
Success is closure.
Of course if the court case says it must close and it does in fact close then that is success.
But how long it taken?
The Council not going to get any where with the fair in 10 days or they with this record.

Joedavid wrote:

Reality001 wrote:

Joedavid wrote:
Well the Council not had success with closing illegal market so I do not think they will in this case as the fair intends to leave in 10 days.

Your totally wrong in your facts. The owners of Tradex stand trial in April this year due to the patience of the Council in persuing the matter.

No I'm not, I'm right it is not closed it is still open.
Success is closure.
Of course if the court case says it must close and it does in fact close then that is success.
But how long it taken?
The Council not going to get any where with the fair in 10 days or they with this record.

Tradex are playing the delay game. They have successfully delayed the case several times and now have managed to delay for a further month.

The case hearing has been set for may 28.