130 cars seized by police in crime crackdown face the crusher (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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130 cars seized by police in crime crackdown face the crusher
7:00am Friday 1st March 2013 in News
By Dolores Cowburn, Bradford Chief Reporter
Chief Insp Dan Greenwood with some of the seized cars
More than 100 cars, some high performance or luxury models, could be crushed after being seized from criminals by police.
The vehicles, including Audis and other high specification models, are suspected to be ‘pool’ cars which are passed between criminal gangs, police said last night.
They have been impounded as part of Operation Sabredale, a blitz against firearms and drugs, which started last year in the city.
In the latest two-week blitz in early February, more than 130 vehicles were confiscated when they were found to be unregistered, uninsured, or without tax or MoTs.
In addition, the raids resulted in 100 arrests as well as the seizure of 12 imitation guns and suspected drugs to a value of £1.3 million.
Police have warned that vehicles which are not later proved to be legally registered could end up on the scrap heap.
Bradford district Chief Inspector Dan Greenwood said that was an important tactic to disrupt the activity of offenders who use the ‘pool’ cars.
“One vehicle can potentially be used by a number of different individuals to commit crime within the district,” said Chief Insp Greenwood.
“Drugs and firearms offences for instance are often connected with the use of such vehicles.
“As they are unregistered, untaxed or uninsured, it can also be difficult to trace an owner. They are not only used as a tool in the commission of serious crime, but also present a significant risk to other road users.
“Alongside partners in the Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA), we seized dozens of illegally driven vehicles during the two weeks of Operation Sabredale.
“Those that remain unclaimed could potentially be crushed.”
Operation Sabredale has been singled out for praise by West Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson.
“The issue of uninsured and untaxed vehicles within the district has been raised with me on various occasions and I fully support the local police acting with other relevant agencies to address the problem in this way,” he said.
Bradford East MP David Ward said: “We all want to see crime rates fall in our community and I want to acknowledge the success of Operation Sabredale which has been a key tool in helping to reduce the number of serious offences committed in Bradford – the police have been going a great job in this area.
“Many people in Bradford face high insurance premiums and uninsured vehicles are a key factor in pushing up the price of car insurance in Bradford and so this crackdown will also contribute to my campaign to secure more affordable car insurance for people living in Bradford.”
Chief Insp Greenwood added: “If anyone has information about vehicles used in their community as ‘pool’ cars among criminals, I would ask that they get in touch on the non emergency number 101.
“Help us identify those who are using them and give us the location or details of the vehicle. Remember you call anonymously and in absolute confidence via Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.”
Comments(75)
tyker2
says...
7:49am Fri 1 Mar 13
Maybe those whose cars were seized from should be forced to press the crush button with public attendance to cheer the demise one more tool of the drug barons and other deceitful, harmful members of society? LOL.
Agree those cars that have real value should be re registered with different plates etc and sold off at auction to raise some cash.
Shipleyvegas
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7:59am Fri 1 Mar 13
thatsnotmyname
says...
8:13am Fri 1 Mar 13
collos25
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9:30am Fri 1 Mar 13
bd7 helper
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9:40am Fri 1 Mar 13
PLUS THEY KEEPIN FIT AND BUILDING A FRIENDSHIP WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.!!
NOT THERE LOCAL POSTIE????
scanipoos
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9:47am Fri 1 Mar 13
Bradford_Muslim
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9:48am Fri 1 Mar 13
bennyG
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9:51am Fri 1 Mar 13
Come back down to the real world. Insurance companies themselves should wear black and white striped jumpers.
Andy2010
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10:31am Fri 1 Mar 13
bennyG wrote:Insurance and car insurance especially actually loses the companies concerned money and always has so no they arent robbing you only to the point that the insurance is a legal requirement.
You really expect a few crushed uninsured cars to make a difference to premiums?
Come back down to the real world. Insurance companies themselves should wear black and white striped jumpers.
I agree with earlier comments as to why dont the police just auction these vehicles off and either use the funds to offset against any increases in taxes or give the money to charity at least
Bradford and Proud.....?
says...
10:33am Fri 1 Mar 13
collos25 wrote:Are you for real? 130 cars in 2 weeks is 10 per day. What do you expect to happen when the police find them? Call a Genie and make it disappear before moving onto the next one? Or perhaps issue a ticket and leave it on the screen, in which case you could ridicule them for not taking the vehicles and making it a pointless exercise. How many times have you called Crimestoppers to help the police out? No, didnt think so!
Not very good whan you consider the area and the time ,a simple walk found parts of Bradford will get that many motor cars in a day.Token gesture by a undermanned confused police force.
Albion.
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10:36am Fri 1 Mar 13
Truth77 wrote:Quite agree, they could be used by public services such as police, paramedics and even as civic vehicles for Dave and his cronies.
Why destroy them all?
There must be some that are able to be used by the police and various agency's instead of the taxpayer buying vehicles all the time. Some of them are reported as luxury cars and these should be either used or checked over and sent to auction to again raise money.
i hate bradford
says...
10:36am Fri 1 Mar 13
Bradford_Muslim wrote:Are you inferring disabled people who can't walk and so qualify for a mobility car are the same type of person as the drug dealing, illegal car driving, firearms owning violent criminals?
BRAVO to the police force, this is exactly what Bradford needs, next stop..... STOP MOBILITY, sick of these people posing with fancy cars
Go get an education you ignorant hater of disabled people. You sound so jealous and very very stupid too.
badford
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11:09am Fri 1 Mar 13
Outraged English Subject
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11:14am Fri 1 Mar 13
‘hater’
With a user name like that! you're just as bad as him. Two comics here sadly, just comical!
With regards to the article some vehicles could be given to the British Forces to assist in road side training, vehicle check points, searching, driving skills, and such likes.
Mutha.Slimer
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11:36am Fri 1 Mar 13
vax2002
says...
11:49am Fri 1 Mar 13
Why would they crush what they own ?
To disguise the fact that they own it ?
Fooling nobody...
Bradford_Muslim
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12:29pm Fri 1 Mar 13
i hate bradford wrote:oh really, and how does a VW Scorrico qualify as a car for disabled people, i know there are genuine disabled people out there and they will continue to get this benefit, but most will stop as soon as PIP comes in APRIL 2013, but most families claim disability just to get a free mobility car.
Bradford_Muslim wrote:Are you inferring disabled people who can't walk and so qualify for a mobility car are the same type of person as the drug dealing, illegal car driving, firearms owning violent criminals?
BRAVO to the police force, this is exactly what Bradford needs, next stop..... STOP MOBILITY, sick of these people posing with fancy cars
Go get an education you ignorant hater of disabled people. You sound so jealous and very very stupid too.
secondly, i NEVER made a link between disability and drug dealing, not sure where you got that from?
RollandSmoke
says...
12:30pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Not so simple
says...
1:28pm Fri 1 Mar 13
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
The Hoffster
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1:38pm Fri 1 Mar 13
{rolleyes}
collos25
says...
1:46pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Bradford and Proud.....? wrote:Read the article properly numbskull its not in two weeks its in 13months.
collos25 wrote:Are you for real? 130 cars in 2 weeks is 10 per day. What do you expect to happen when the police find them? Call a Genie and make it disappear before moving onto the next one? Or perhaps issue a ticket and leave it on the screen, in which case you could ridicule them for not taking the vehicles and making it a pointless exercise. How many times have you called Crimestoppers to help the police out? No, didnt think so!
Not very good whan you consider the area and the time ,a simple walk found parts of Bradford will get that many motor cars in a day.Token gesture by a undermanned confused police force.
collos25
says...
1:48pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Bradford and Proud.....? wrote:Read the article properly numbskull its not in two weeks its in 13months.
collos25 wrote:Are you for real? 130 cars in 2 weeks is 10 per day. What do you expect to happen when the police find them? Call a Genie and make it disappear before moving onto the next one? Or perhaps issue a ticket and leave it on the screen, in which case you could ridicule them for not taking the vehicles and making it a pointless exercise. How many times have you called Crimestoppers to help the police out? No, didnt think so!
Not very good whan you consider the area and the time ,a simple walk found parts of Bradford will get that many motor cars in a day.Token gesture by a undermanned confused police force.
collos25
says...
1:54pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Where on earth did you get that info from a noddy book.The DVLA own the registration plate and log book not the car that is owned by the owner not the name in the log book.The owner owns it full stop could be a HP company or anybody.You do not need insurance for anything but you must be able to prove beyond all doubt that you have assetts that will cover all claims that could amount to a few million pounds and seeing that you cannot tax a vehicle without insurance or MOT it seems that you need insurance to drive a vehicle doesn´t it.
Andy2010
says...
2:01pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
Albion.
says...
2:05pm Fri 1 Mar 13
collos25 wrote:"In the latest two-week blitz in early February, more than 130 vehicles were confiscated when they were found to be unregistered, uninsured, or without tax or MoTs."
Bradford and Proud.....? wrote:Read the article properly numbskull its not in two weeks its in 13months.
collos25 wrote:Are you for real? 130 cars in 2 weeks is 10 per day. What do you expect to happen when the police find them? Call a Genie and make it disappear before moving onto the next one? Or perhaps issue a ticket and leave it on the screen, in which case you could ridicule them for not taking the vehicles and making it a pointless exercise. How many times have you called Crimestoppers to help the police out? No, didnt think so!
Not very good whan you consider the area and the time ,a simple walk found parts of Bradford will get that many motor cars in a day.Token gesture by a undermanned confused police force.
Erm?
tyker2
says...
2:34pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:not so simple:stupid idiotic comments. bet you hate the state but love the benefits all people living with the law provide through taxes etc
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
Prisoner Cell Block A
says...
2:47pm Fri 1 Mar 13
tyker2 wrote:Don't be so quick to judge and jump to the conclusions you have.
Andy2010 wrote:not so simple:stupid idiotic comments. bet you hate the state but love the benefits all people living with the law provide through taxes etc
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
not so simple explained previously about entering into a civil contract with the government, section 61 plus others of the Magna Carta and other little gems.
Before dismissing off hand his comments, engage him and ask for further explanation. You may learn something or he may be talking total codswallop, we are basically sheep doing as we are told because our parents did, their parents did etc etc
Bradford and Proud.....?
says...
3:03pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Albion. wrote:Not just me then?
collos25 wrote:"In the latest two-week blitz in early February, more than 130 vehicles were confiscated when they were found to be unregistered, uninsured, or without tax or MoTs."
Bradford and Proud.....? wrote:Read the article properly numbskull its not in two weeks its in 13months.
collos25 wrote:Are you for real? 130 cars in 2 weeks is 10 per day. What do you expect to happen when the police find them? Call a Genie and make it disappear before moving onto the next one? Or perhaps issue a ticket and leave it on the screen, in which case you could ridicule them for not taking the vehicles and making it a pointless exercise. How many times have you called Crimestoppers to help the police out? No, didnt think so!
Not very good whan you consider the area and the time ,a simple walk found parts of Bradford will get that many motor cars in a day.Token gesture by a undermanned confused police force.
Erm?
Signed
N. Skull
georget
says...
3:22pm Fri 1 Mar 13
& who will be buying them back for a song, THE CROOKS WHO HAD THEM BEFORE
Do you think thats a good idea??
Crush Them ALL The Crooks aswell Locked inside them
Then Sieze ALL their Assets, Millions, & use that to Get more Police On the job
We know where these Crooks come from Dont we?
DEPORT THE LOT, No Questions Asked THEY ARE THE TERRORIST Againt this country
Not so simple
says...
3:23pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:Do not dismiss things without first studying and understanding what I am saying.
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
I am legally qualified, pay my taxes and relative insurances. Not your average Bradfordian as I am not one to not ask questions and blindly follow the leaders.
Do you know what is the law of the land?
Do you know what common law is?
I Understand common law, Do you?
Common law is the law of the land...other "laws" are Acts or Statutes. For the latter to apply to you one needs to consent to it.
Most legally qualified sheep do not understand these concepts as they rea and repeat to obtain their legal qualifications.
If this doesn't make sense to your dismissive brains then I suggest you have look at the link below.
Watch this on you tube to enlighten your rather dim but simple view on reality
http://www.google.co
.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q
=freeman%20on%20the%
20land%20a%20carpent
ers&source=web&cd=1&
ved=0CDIQtwIwAA&url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.you
tube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv
%3DpvdCFWWkDTA&ei=4s
QwUYqGPOGI4ATo94Ew&u
sg=AFQjCNEqIqLbeLSUa
mgwlhWYZlwr248QIQ&bv
m=bv.43148975,d.bGE
If you cannot copy and paste then google
"freeman on the land, a carpenters view"
This is just the tip of the iceberg...not of the lettuce variety.
Not so simple
says...
3:26pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Prisoner, Sir I take off my hat to you as you are willing to understand and more importantly "think" for yourself. Respect.
tyker2 wrote:Don't be so quick to judge and jump to the conclusions you have.
Andy2010 wrote:not so simple:stupid idiotic comments. bet you hate the state but love the benefits all people living with the law provide through taxes etc
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
not so simple explained previously about entering into a civil contract with the government, section 61 plus others of the Magna Carta and other little gems.
Before dismissing off hand his comments, engage him and ask for further explanation. You may learn something or he may be talking total codswallop, we are basically sheep doing as we are told because our parents did, their parents did etc etc
It's such a shame that people do not bother to research or understand a point in law, rather they just dismiss it akin to an uncivilised society.
For a quick one stop explanation I suggest all to watch the links in my previous comment above
thruth9211
says...
3:32pm Fri 1 Mar 13
TEACH THESE PEOPLE A LESSON
BUT LETS GET TO THE POINT, THE POLICE WILL GIVE THE CAR BACK TO THE PERSON FOR A STUPID FEE OF SAY £500 FINE
i SAY WHETHER THE CAR IS £50 OR £100,000 IS SHOULD BE CRUSHED
THATS THE ONLY WAY THESE IDIOTS WILL LEARN TO KEEP INSURED LIKE THE REST OF US, WITH A VALID Tax
It seems to often that people with out road tax, just pay a fine, and then carry on without a road tax, Crush their cars
Not so simple
says...
3:35pm Fri 1 Mar 13
"hidden law history of the UK" freeman movement.
"freeman on the land, a carpenters view"
British Constistuiton group.
If this doesn't blow your socks off and awake your senses then nothing will.
Comments and thoughts welcome...dismissive comments will be ignored touché
Not so simple
says...
3:37pm Fri 1 Mar 13
collos25 wrote:Dismissive again. Do your research and let's talk. Better still get a lawyer or a judge to advise you as they are also being misled about what laws really apply to you and me and what laws apply to companies.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Where on earth did you get that info from a noddy book.The DVLA own the registration plate and log book not the car that is owned by the owner not the name in the log book.The owner owns it full stop could be a HP company or anybody.You do not need insurance for anything but you must be able to prove beyond all doubt that you have assetts that will cover all claims that could amount to a few million pounds and seeing that you cannot tax a vehicle without insurance or MOT it seems that you need insurance to drive a vehicle doesn´t it.
baccy2410
says...
3:47pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget
says...
3:51pm Fri 1 Mar 13
& who will be buying them back for a song, THE CROOKS WHO HAD THEM BEFORE
To Reiterate, Do you think thats a good idea??
Crush Them ALL The Crooks aswell Locked inside them
Then Sieze ALL their Assets, Millions, & use that to Get more Police On the job
We know where these Crooks come from Dont we?
DEPORT THE LOT, No Questions Asked THEY ARE THE TERRORIST Againt this country”
Not so simple
says...
3:51pm Fri 1 Mar 13
baccy2410 wrote:Nah that makes far too much sense
Couldn't they be sold off and monies credited to victim support or such like?
RollandSmoke
says...
3:58pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget
says...
4:07pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Totaly Agree, Just Fooling The Honest Public
georget
says...
4:20pm Fri 1 Mar 13
FINE THE DRUNKS, £500 A Time, Stop Messing About,
Judjes Are Frightened Of Doing The RIGHT THING
& NO I DO NOT DRINK,
Got More sense, & Use My Money On Better Things, & No I do not Begrudge any body having a sensible Drink
georget
says...
4:23pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Lets stick to the The Thing On Hand
Cars, Drugs , Police Activity
Andy2010
says...
4:26pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Not so simple wrote:Well if you are so highly clued up about these matters why bother paying insurance if you dont have to?
Andy2010 wrote:Do not dismiss things without first studying and understanding what I am saying.
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
I am legally qualified, pay my taxes and relative insurances. Not your average Bradfordian as I am not one to not ask questions and blindly follow the leaders.
Do you know what is the law of the land?
Do you know what common law is?
I Understand common law, Do you?
Common law is the law of the land...other "laws" are Acts or Statutes. For the latter to apply to you one needs to consent to it.
Most legally qualified sheep do not understand these concepts as they rea and repeat to obtain their legal qualifications.
If this doesn't make sense to your dismissive brains then I suggest you have look at the link below.
Watch this on you tube to enlighten your rather dim but simple view on reality
http://www.google.co
.uk/url?sa=t&rct
=j&q
=freeman%20on%20the%
20land%20a%20carpent
ers&source=web&a
mp;cd=1&
ved=0CDIQtwIwAA&
url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.you
tube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv
%3DpvdCFWWkDTA&e
i=4s
QwUYqGPOGI4ATo94Ew&a
mp;u
sg=AFQjCNEqIqLbeLSUa
mgwlhWYZlwr248QIQ&am
p;bv
m=bv.43148975,d.bGE
If you cannot copy and paste then google
"freeman on the land, a carpenters view"
This is just the tip of the iceberg...not of the lettuce variety.
If what you state is true and you are sure it has legal standing you could earn a fortune defending insurance convictions in court.
georget
says...
4:30pm Fri 1 Mar 13
& who will be buying them back for a song, THE CROOKS WHO HAD THEM BEFORE
To Reiterate, Do you think thats a good idea??
Crush Them ALL The Crooks aswell Locked inside them
Then Sieze ALL their Assets, Millions, & use that to Get more Police On the job
We know where these Crooks come from Dont we?
DEPORT THE LOT, No Questions Asked THEY ARE THE TERRORIST Againt this country””
Andy2010
says...
5:08pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget wrote:I think the Caps lock button on your keyboard is broke. It seems to be randomly turning itself on.
Well sell them at auction, ??
& who will be buying them back for a song, THE CROOKS WHO HAD THEM BEFORE
To Reiterate, Do you think thats a good idea??
Crush Them ALL The Crooks aswell Locked inside them
Then Sieze ALL their Assets, Millions, & use that to Get more Police On the job
We know where these Crooks come from Dont we?
DEPORT THE LOT, No Questions Asked THEY ARE THE TERRORIST Againt this country””
georget
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5:14pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Typical, Numpty, Your supposed to read the comments not offer Abuse
My caps lock is fine, Just worry about youself, And remarks on the Cars, Druggies Cops Etc
Unless you are one of them weedies
Andy2010
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5:20pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget wrote:What's a weedie?
Andy2010 Anything else you may of Observed
Typical, Numpty, Your supposed to read the comments not offer Abuse
My caps lock is fine, Just worry about youself, And remarks on the Cars, Druggies Cops Etc
Unless you are one of them weedies
Anyway I actually agree with everything you said. I was merely worried about the condition of your keyboard.
RED65
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5:22pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget
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5:47pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Andy2010 wrote:Call the T&A, Complain about their headlines IN CAPITALS
georget wrote:What's a weedie?
Andy2010 Anything else you may of Observed
Typical, Numpty, Your supposed to read the comments not offer Abuse
My caps lock is fine, Just worry about youself, And remarks on the Cars, Druggies Cops Etc
Unless you are one of them weedies
Anyway I actually agree with everything you said. I was merely worried about the condition of your keyboard.
there there to emphasise a point
as said before worry about yourself not My Keyboard
RollandSmoke
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5:51pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget wrote:If by weedies you mean cannabis smokers then I'm one. You may remember agreeing with me earlier when I was arguing for the law to be changed to take the trade out of the hands of criminals. I am not a criminal and don't agree with being portrayed as one. I am merely someone who feels a beneficial medical benefit, superiour to the prescription medication and with far less side effects, from a plant that has been used by mankind for Millenia with little problem until it came into competition with other industries. The law has nothing to do with health concerns as there are far worse things out there that are perfectly legal. The problem is purely one of prohibition just as it was for alcohol in Al Capone's day. We couldn't put a worse, more damaging policy in place if we tried but it makes lawyers, the police, prison services, probation services ect a lot of work and boy do they want to keep those jobs. Cannabis has no real monetary value as it's as easy to grow as tomatoes, the only thing giving it the headline grabbing values that the police pull out of their backsides when busting someone is it's legal status.
Andy2010 Anything else you may of Observed
Typical, Numpty, Your supposed to read the comments not offer Abuse
My caps lock is fine, Just worry about youself, And remarks on the Cars, Druggies Cops Etc
Unless you are one of them weedies
georget
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6:28pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Is cannabis harmful?
Answer:
Yes. It deteriorates your mind. You may lose your long term memory, and like all things that you smoke it isn't that great for your lungs either.
Cannabis contains 20 times more ammonia, and five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrous oxides than tobacco smoke. It also may have an effect of preventing cancer from spreading for a time, as it kills cells.( This is all the result of tests done by the Canadian government) Like the ones you need for your longterm memory, but also the cancer infected cells in your lungs. The only downside is that you have to face the fact that the chance for a regular smoker of cannabis to get lung cancer is more likely. The search results say that this is due to the fact that they hold the smoke in longer, and that there is more smoke. They say marijuana uses tend to develop lung cancer up to 24 years before the average smoker. Of course the results could change depending on the amount you smoke versus that of a regular smoker. The point I am trying to make is that yes there are people out there like parentsagainstmariju
ana who will give you false facts but in short YES it is bad for your health. Just because it may or may not be as bad a cigarettes doesn't mean it's not bad. Marijuana is a psychoactive. It alters the way you perceive things.
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RollandSmoke
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6:45pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget wrote:I never made the claim that it was perfectly safe as nothing ever is. I am aware that if I eat too many mcdonald's it will have a detrimental effect on my health, should they be illegal or should the choice of whether or not to eat their crap be mine? I could show you countless independent studies that contradict a lot of what the Canadian Government studies found however for all the downsides they have identified I believe they have still legalised it. If I die before I need my bum wiping for me in a nursing home so be it.
So you smoke the weedie
Is cannabis harmful?
Answer:
Yes. It deteriorates your mind. You may lose your long term memory, and like all things that you smoke it isn't that great for your lungs either.
Cannabis contains 20 times more ammonia, and five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrous oxides than tobacco smoke. It also may have an effect of preventing cancer from spreading for a time, as it kills cells.( This is all the result of tests done by the Canadian government) Like the ones you need for your longterm memory, but also the cancer infected cells in your lungs. The only downside is that you have to face the fact that the chance for a regular smoker of cannabis to get lung cancer is more likely. The search results say that this is due to the fact that they hold the smoke in longer, and that there is more smoke. They say marijuana uses tend to develop lung cancer up to 24 years before the average smoker. Of course the results could change depending on the amount you smoke versus that of a regular smoker. The point I am trying to make is that yes there are people out there like parentsagainstmariju
ana who will give you false facts but in short YES it is bad for your health. Just because it may or may not be as bad a cigarettes doesn't mean it's not bad. Marijuana is a psychoactive. It alters the way you perceive things.
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Outraged English Subject
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6:59pm Fri 1 Mar 13
However I would not recommend smoking it, much better to cook with it, it is after all an herb, nevertheless it’s still a psychoactive after cooking, and some would argue a stronger one. Considerably more than if smoked.
10steve
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7:04pm Fri 1 Mar 13
i hate bradford wrote:I think that Bradford Muslim could have worded his post a little better but i do think that there are lots of genuine disabled people out there that claim cars on the Mobility scheme but i knew a guy that was a registered Alcoholic that had a car on this scheme !!! so if your constantly P1SSED how can you drive ??, turned out he qualified for the car because of his DISABILITY and was entitled to the car so his wife could drive him round!! not a good use of said mobility scheme i think.
Bradford_Muslim wrote:Are you inferring disabled people who can't walk and so qualify for a mobility car are the same type of person as the drug dealing, illegal car driving, firearms owning violent criminals?
BRAVO to the police force, this is exactly what Bradford needs, next stop..... STOP MOBILITY, sick of these people posing with fancy cars
Go get an education you ignorant hater of disabled people. You sound so jealous and very very stupid too.
georget
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8:01pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget
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8:06pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Macdonalds In England is totaly crap, ****
Go to Germany & see Macdonalds there twice as big, double the thickness Juicy & Not like here, CARDBOARD
Outraged English Subject
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8:43pm Fri 1 Mar 13
georget wrote:Absolutely agree, and the milkshakes have milk in them and are flavoursome LoL. Oh the good old days not going to mention the chocolate, pure quality ;-)
Smoking cannabis Re macdonalds
Macdonalds In England is totaly crap, ****
Go to Germany & see Macdonalds there twice as big, double the thickness Juicy & Not like here, CARDBOARD
-HCK3R-
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8:56pm Fri 1 Mar 13
Haji
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9:29pm Fri 1 Mar 13
GlobalSingh
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1:00am Sat 2 Mar 13
tyker2
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4:11am Sat 2 Mar 13
Not so simple wrote:test it all in Court and see where you get. Please do not claim for funds from the public purse to do it
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Prisoner, Sir I take off my hat to you as you are willing to understand and more importantly "think" for yourself. Respect.
tyker2 wrote:Don't be so quick to judge and jump to the conclusions you have.
Andy2010 wrote:not so simple:stupid idiotic comments. bet you hate the state but love the benefits all people living with the law provide through taxes etc
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
not so simple explained previously about entering into a civil contract with the government, section 61 plus others of the Magna Carta and other little gems.
Before dismissing off hand his comments, engage him and ask for further explanation. You may learn something or he may be talking total codswallop, we are basically sheep doing as we are told because our parents did, their parents did etc etc
It's such a shame that people do not bother to research or understand a point in law, rather they just dismiss it akin to an uncivilised society.
For a quick one stop explanation I suggest all to watch the links in my previous comment above
Andy2010
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7:45am Sat 2 Mar 13
GlobalSingh wrote:This is true. Police should be terrifying and there shouldnt be as much recourse to them using "reasonable" force whenever they want.
What Bradford needs are more Police Officers on the beat and more 'no-nonsense' tough Officers who can deter criminals by their sheer presence as well as catch them...Education is not an option with hardened, macho,dogmatised, egomaniacs who need an old fashioned 'clip round the ear hole' by a 6'-6'' Officer! to embarrass them and dent their egos.
Some of the coppers you see now are barely out of using spot cream and have the physical presence of Julian Clary. Yet a lot of their older colleagues barely look like they can walk let alone chase after someone.
Dont they have the minimun height requirement anymore or yearly physcial tests?
Not so simple
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11:37am Sat 2 Mar 13
tyker2 wrote:The powers that be do not prosecute. The police will make an unlawful arrest on behalf of a company. Check any one of my previous links and you will understand.
Not so simple wrote:test it all in Court and see where you get. Please do not claim for funds from the public purse to do it
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Prisoner, Sir I take off my hat to you as you are willing to understand and more importantly "think" for yourself. Respect.
tyker2 wrote:Don't be so quick to judge and jump to the conclusions you have.
Andy2010 wrote:not so simple:stupid idiotic comments. bet you hate the state but love the benefits all people living with the law provide through taxes etc
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
not so simple explained previously about entering into a civil contract with the government, section 61 plus others of the Magna Carta and other little gems.
Before dismissing off hand his comments, engage him and ask for further explanation. You may learn something or he may be talking total codswallop, we are basically sheep doing as we are told because our parents did, their parents did etc etc
It's such a shame that people do not bother to research or understand a point in law, rather they just dismiss it akin to an uncivilised society.
For a quick one stop explanation I suggest all to watch the links in my previous comment above
Don't check and keep believing in Santa Claus
Not so simple
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11:40am Sat 2 Mar 13
tyker2 wrote:Ps for your information the entire process can be channelled via a Judicial review.
Not so simple wrote:test it all in Court and see where you get. Please do not claim for funds from the public purse to do it
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:Prisoner, Sir I take off my hat to you as you are willing to understand and more importantly "think" for yourself. Respect.
tyker2 wrote:Don't be so quick to judge and jump to the conclusions you have.
Andy2010 wrote:not so simple:stupid idiotic comments. bet you hate the state but love the benefits all people living with the law provide through taxes etc
Not so simple wrote:LOL ....Take it you dont have insurance then and are willing to defend not having any on the basis of the above
Why are the police or the police commissioner chap not pressing for these cars to be sold or even exported to raise funds for the local authority, police force and charities? Saves em sacking 2000 people.
End of the day the Police have a common law duty to protect the public...they serve us and work for us.
They should pay attention when the "bosses" say sell the cars and use the money as directed by your "bosses". We the public are your bosses.
Seems rather daft that these vehicles are crushed.
Secondly the vehicles are only able to be crushed or taken off the "keeper" as the DVLA actually own all registered vehicles...DvLA via logbook and drivers licensze make a contract with the keeper to drive it around and pay the fines and taxes. This is a scam in itself.
Re the insurance falling? Are you guys on drugs? Insurance is also a scam to force one to pay to have free passage on the land....this goes directly against the UN charter on Human rights...freedom to travel.
Insurance and insurance companies operate a cartel of fixed premiums where they force people to pay huge,unjustified premiums to be able to travel privately around the land. For commerce or business purposes one requires insurance, however for private travel one doesn't require insurance and the police cannot enforce the will of a company over a human being living under common law.
Laughable
not so simple explained previously about entering into a civil contract with the government, section 61 plus others of the Magna Carta and other little gems.
Before dismissing off hand his comments, engage him and ask for further explanation. You may learn something or he may be talking total codswallop, we are basically sheep doing as we are told because our parents did, their parents did etc etc
It's such a shame that people do not bother to research or understand a point in law, rather they just dismiss it akin to an uncivilised society.
For a quick one stop explanation I suggest all to watch the links in my previous comment above
And guess what the government has been proposing...cutting down the amount if judicial reviews....so one can no longer appeal a law or a decision.
georget
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11:44am Sat 2 Mar 13
Stupid Arseholes
Bradford and Proud.....?
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1:21pm Sat 2 Mar 13
In summary - the problems with Bradford are not down to the police alone but each and every one of us for allowing things to get this bad.
georget
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1:45pm Sat 2 Mar 13
Things will just get worse
The Goverment cannot see the wood for the trees, & To be honest Dont think they Care, We Have to have the Judicial System Like it used to be, PUNISHMENT Not Holiday camps
& Serve the time you get, Not a 5th of it
StaffsBantam
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3:21pm Sat 2 Mar 13
Not so simple
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6:33pm Sat 2 Mar 13
Bradford and Proud.....? wrote:Errm, explain. CEAct 84 outlines police powers. What outlined police powers prior to that.
Not so simple - specific police powers are set out under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, which is an Act of Parliament, not common law. Their common law powers are the same as yours and mine - right to defend property, prevent a breach of the peace etc, but police specific powers are contained in the above Act. Also, we are not their bosses - they hold an office of constable, meaning they are crown servants and not employees. Their duty to serve is first and foremost to the Queen, and the inference from Sir Robert Peel's founding principles that the police are simply members of the community who are paid to undertake the duties bound on all of us.
In summary - the problems with Bradford are not down to the police alone but each and every one of us for allowing things to get this bad.
Errm, what is the oath sworn by Police and judges,including the Queen? It is to swear and protect us under Common law...not statute law.
You see UK is a company, We the people are the common people who are a party to the unwritten and implied parts of the constitution.
The people, human beings have priority over legal entities such as companies. Companies pass laws for its employees...I'm no employee of the UK as a citizen...I'm a freeman living on the land, I do not need permission to live on this land, I do not need a passport to travel, not having one contravenes my freedom to travel/passage under the UN human rights charter.
Do not believe what 'legal' eagles have advised you in books...read and understand everything for yourself and then pursue an interpretation based upon common law; the law of the land.
Not so simple
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6:37pm Sat 2 Mar 13
Check out "the people v the banks" freeman. You will see and hear from police officers who they really should be supporting, not businesses or corporations, not government, they support us, the people!
Respect and peace out
Bradford and Proud.....?
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10:41pm Sat 2 Mar 13
All of which were set in statute.
chrisburtenshaw
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12:57pm Sun 3 Mar 13
i hate bradford wrote:its true, I know someone who had a heart attack and now theyre swanning round in a brand new white bmw convertible! a £32000 car! Its ridiculous, some of them milk the system
Bradford_Muslim wrote:Are you inferring disabled people who can't walk and so qualify for a mobility car are the same type of person as the drug dealing, illegal car driving, firearms owning violent criminals?
BRAVO to the police force, this is exactly what Bradford needs, next stop..... STOP MOBILITY, sick of these people posing with fancy cars
Go get an education you ignorant hater of disabled people. You sound so jealous and very very stupid too.
Not so simple
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9:40pm Sun 3 Mar 13
Bradford and Proud.....? wrote:You still do not understand what common law is! What us wrong with you man. Ask any lawyer, any judge and any police constable to tell you whatthe common law is. Ask them to remind you what type of law rules over the land known as England...common law. Ask them what type of law rules over the corporation known as the UK and you will be suprised.
There was the Police Act in the 60s, before that numerous iterations of the Metropolitan Police Act (since the 1800s). Before that it was a mixture of Parish officials and the army.
All of which were set in statute.
It appears you have limited your ability to think. You only appear to follow what the leal proffesion or institutions tell you in their books and propagnda.
Have a look at the actual legal status of each force...you will find it is setup and trades as a limited company.
Have a look at the UK as a whole and you will note that all legal,public institutions are setup as limited companies.
Since when do voters vote for limited companies.
Have a look at the UK and you will see it is a company, just like the City of London...all this came about after the fire of London when ownership was disputed and many rightful owners who'd died had their land confiscated by the limited government.
You need to understand that the constitution does not allow for companies to rule us!
A company is a legal entity. Humans are flesh and blood living souls...not legal companies that can be ruled by legal entities aka companies.
You are missing the point entirely. Try reading and understanding what the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights , our written and unwritten Constituiton really is.....and how the companies and institutions using their influence have manipulated and ignored our fundamental rights.
Of course you won't read and will continue to assume things. Good luck sheep.
Andy2010
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10:38am Mon 4 Mar 13
Not so simple wrote:What the hell are you on about?
Bradford and Proud.....? wrote:You still do not understand what common law is! What us wrong with you man. Ask any lawyer, any judge and any police constable to tell you whatthe common law is. Ask them to remind you what type of law rules over the land known as England...common law. Ask them what type of law rules over the corporation known as the UK and you will be suprised.
There was the Police Act in the 60s, before that numerous iterations of the Metropolitan Police Act (since the 1800s). Before that it was a mixture of Parish officials and the army.
All of which were set in statute.
It appears you have limited your ability to think. You only appear to follow what the leal proffesion or institutions tell you in their books and propagnda.
Have a look at the actual legal status of each force...you will find it is setup and trades as a limited company.
Have a look at the UK as a whole and you will note that all legal,public institutions are setup as limited companies.
Since when do voters vote for limited companies.
Have a look at the UK and you will see it is a company, just like the City of London...all this came about after the fire of London when ownership was disputed and many rightful owners who'd died had their land confiscated by the limited government.
You need to understand that the constitution does not allow for companies to rule us!
A company is a legal entity. Humans are flesh and blood living souls...not legal companies that can be ruled by legal entities aka companies.
You are missing the point entirely. Try reading and understanding what the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights , our written and unwritten Constituiton really is.....and how the companies and institutions using their influence have manipulated and ignored our fundamental rights.
Of course you won't read and will continue to assume things. Good luck sheep.
You are trying to define law in the most complicated terms.
Forget about the technicalities behind everything and either put up or shut up like the rest of us. Dont want to? Well start political party and try and change all the things you mention.....thought not
GlobalSingh
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2:55pm Mon 4 Mar 13
Truth77 says...
7:28am Fri 1 Mar 13
There must be some that are able to be used by the police and various agency's instead of the taxpayer buying vehicles all the time. Some of them are reported as luxury cars and these should be either used or checked over and sent to auction to again raise money.