Residents hit back as traffic measures are removed after drivers’ complaints

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Nab Wood residents, from left, Anne Villien with Lilly, and Aoife Aston with Seamus. Nab Wood residents, from left, Anne Villien with Lilly, and Aoife Aston with Seamus.

New traffic humps in Nab Wood have vanished overnight to the fury of those residents delighted by their immediate success.

The controversial 20mph traffic calming scheme installed last month included high platform humps which were criticised by some drivers for being too steep.

And it was claimed vehicles could be damaged because the humps were not properly smoothed over.

Bradford Council engineers confirmed the ramps had not been built to specification and would be altered.

However, last week the whole humps were removed.

And angry mother-of-three Anne Villien of Bankcroft Drive said taking them up was a waste of time and money.

“They actually did the job and slowed people down to 20mph,” she said. “The whole purpose of them is that either you slow right down or you damage your car.

“I just have an ordinary car and there’s no risk to it so long as you don’t speed – it’s obvious,” said geography teacher Mrs Villien, 37.

“I’m furious about this, because the purpose is to make it safer. A child only has to step out onto the road at rush hour and it would be dead.

“The well-being of cars is being put above the well-being of kids.”

Neighbour Aoife Aston agreed. “It’s ridiculous. These new humps really did work and smoother ones will do nothing to slow traffic.

“But praise the Lord for the car being protected,” Mrs Aston said.

Shipley Area Committee chairman Councillor Richard Heseltine said it was necessary to make sure the humps met precise specifications.

“It has been a debacle, but they do need to be re-profiled to the correct dimensions and that may mean the contractor replacing them at their expense.

“I am told any rectifications will be done very quickly to get the scheme back on track,” said Coun Heseltine (Con, Bingley).

Comments (19)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

9:12am Mon 25 Feb 13

angry bradfordian says...

"to the fury of those residents delighted by their immediate success"
How were wrongly installed humps a success when they damaged cars that weren't speeding?

Last time this story was published I was wondering if the T&A would find out if anyone working for the council had been disciplined for this debacle. These are qualified people and there's no doubt it would be a disciplinary offence in a private company and money had been wantonly wasted for what appears to work that was either wrongly designed or supervised.
This however if the council where it seems to be fine to waste money.
"to the fury of those residents delighted by their immediate success" How were wrongly installed humps a success when they damaged cars that weren't speeding? Last time this story was published I was wondering if the T&A would find out if anyone working for the council had been disciplined for this debacle. These are qualified people and there's no doubt it would be a disciplinary offence in a private company and money had been wantonly wasted for what appears to work that was either wrongly designed or supervised. This however if the council where it seems to be fine to waste money. angry bradfordian

9:18am Mon 25 Feb 13

bennyG says...

If you look after your kids properly in the first place, they wouldn't be wandering around in the roads by themselves in the first place.

Sorry if that seems harsh but I'm a parent myself and I would let my little one roam around the street by herself regardless of how busy or quiet the road in question is.

I for one am happy these have now been removed, I took one look at them and did a 3 point turn in the road, no matter how slow or fast I would have gone over these speed bumps I would have destroyed the underside of my car!
If you look after your kids properly in the first place, they wouldn't be wandering around in the roads by themselves in the first place. Sorry if that seems harsh but I'm a parent myself and I would let my little one roam around the street by herself regardless of how busy or quiet the road in question is. I for one am happy these have now been removed, I took one look at them and did a 3 point turn in the road, no matter how slow or fast I would have gone over these speed bumps I would have destroyed the underside of my car! bennyG

10:21am Mon 25 Feb 13

Outraged English Subject says...

bennyG wrote:
If you look after your kids properly in the first place, they wouldn't be wandering around in the roads by themselves in the first place.

Sorry if that seems harsh but I'm a parent myself and I would let my little one roam around the street by herself regardless of how busy or quiet the road in question is.

I for one am happy these have now been removed, I took one look at them and did a 3 point turn in the road, no matter how slow or fast I would have gone over these speed bumps I would have destroyed the underside of my car!
Totally agree!
[quote][p][bold]bennyG[/bold] wrote: If you look after your kids properly in the first place, they wouldn't be wandering around in the roads by themselves in the first place. Sorry if that seems harsh but I'm a parent myself and I would let my little one roam around the street by herself regardless of how busy or quiet the road in question is. I for one am happy these have now been removed, I took one look at them and did a 3 point turn in the road, no matter how slow or fast I would have gone over these speed bumps I would have destroyed the underside of my car![/p][/quote]Totally agree! Outraged English Subject

10:25am Mon 25 Feb 13

I'm sparticus says...

We are taught to obey road signs, so maybe people are actually speeding up when they see the 'ramp' sign pictured because they see this as an instruction. That is all, thank you.
We are taught to obey road signs, so maybe people are actually speeding up when they see the 'ramp' sign pictured because they see this as an instruction. That is all, thank you. I'm sparticus

10:45am Mon 25 Feb 13

Albion. says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
"to the fury of those residents delighted by their immediate success"
How were wrongly installed humps a success when they damaged cars that weren't speeding?

Last time this story was published I was wondering if the T&A would find out if anyone working for the council had been disciplined for this debacle. These are qualified people and there's no doubt it would be a disciplinary offence in a private company and money had been wantonly wasted for what appears to work that was either wrongly designed or supervised.
This however if the council where it seems to be fine to waste money.
“It has been a debacle, but they do need to be re-profiled to the correct dimensions and that may mean the contractor replacing them at their expense."
This is a nothing story anyway as we were told before that they are to be replaced.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: "to the fury of those residents delighted by their immediate success" How were wrongly installed humps a success when they damaged cars that weren't speeding? Last time this story was published I was wondering if the T&A would find out if anyone working for the council had been disciplined for this debacle. These are qualified people and there's no doubt it would be a disciplinary offence in a private company and money had been wantonly wasted for what appears to work that was either wrongly designed or supervised. This however if the council where it seems to be fine to waste money.[/p][/quote]“It has been a debacle, but they do need to be re-profiled to the correct dimensions and that may mean the contractor replacing them at their expense." This is a nothing story anyway as we were told before that they are to be replaced. Albion.

10:50am Mon 25 Feb 13

Mr Blondе says...

One day, someone will realise that the faster you go over speed humps/cushions, the less you feel them & the less damage is done to vehicles.
That's why I cane it when I see them.

20mph isn't enforceable anyway, no one has ever been 'done' for breaking a 20mph limit, they just got 'advice'. The actual limit is 30mph, so no faster than 35 & you'll be ok. :)
One day, someone will realise that the faster you go over speed humps/cushions, the less you feel them & the less damage is done to vehicles. That's why I cane it when I see them. 20mph isn't enforceable anyway, no one has ever been 'done' for breaking a 20mph limit, they just got 'advice'. The actual limit is 30mph, so no faster than 35 & you'll be ok. :) Mr Blondе

12:16pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Ian H 1971 says...

bennyG wrote:
If you look after your kids properly in the first place, they wouldn't be wandering around in the roads by themselves in the first place.

Sorry if that seems harsh but I'm a parent myself and I would let my little one roam around the street by herself regardless of how busy or quiet the road in question is.

I for one am happy these have now been removed, I took one look at them and did a 3 point turn in the road, no matter how slow or fast I would have gone over these speed bumps I would have destroyed the underside of my car!
I could not agree more! Oh and she mentions having an ordinary car, and completely fails to recognise that other people have different cars that would be damaged at ANY speed. There should be at least one parent, NOT grand parent at home to raise their children until they are old enough to walk to school themselves; I was eight years old when this was the case.
[quote][p][bold]bennyG[/bold] wrote: If you look after your kids properly in the first place, they wouldn't be wandering around in the roads by themselves in the first place. Sorry if that seems harsh but I'm a parent myself and I would let my little one roam around the street by herself regardless of how busy or quiet the road in question is. I for one am happy these have now been removed, I took one look at them and did a 3 point turn in the road, no matter how slow or fast I would have gone over these speed bumps I would have destroyed the underside of my car![/p][/quote]I could not agree more! Oh and she mentions having an ordinary car, and completely fails to recognise that other people have different cars that would be damaged at ANY speed. There should be at least one parent, NOT grand parent at home to raise their children until they are old enough to walk to school themselves; I was eight years old when this was the case. Ian H 1971

12:26pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Pity poor Bfd! says...

Bring back Tufty!
Bring back Tufty! Pity poor Bfd!

12:41pm Mon 25 Feb 13

justjustice says...

It is a shame that drivers must be forced to obey the law via humps and ever reducing speed limits.

It's about time we stuck gps devices on all cars which can limit vehicles automatically. Anyone found to be tampering their device would serve a severe prison sentence for blatant disregard of other's safety.

Afterall, if a dangerous/illegal driver does 80mph in a 30 zone, what makes these people think they will do 20?!
It is a shame that drivers must be forced to obey the law via humps and ever reducing speed limits. It's about time we stuck gps devices on all cars which can limit vehicles automatically. Anyone found to be tampering their device would serve a severe prison sentence for blatant disregard of other's safety. Afterall, if a dangerous/illegal driver does 80mph in a 30 zone, what makes these people think they will do 20?! justjustice

1:17pm Mon 25 Feb 13

bennyG says...

justjustice wrote:
It is a shame that drivers must be forced to obey the law via humps and ever reducing speed limits.

It's about time we stuck gps devices on all cars which can limit vehicles automatically. Anyone found to be tampering their device would serve a severe prison sentence for blatant disregard of other's safety.

Afterall, if a dangerous/illegal driver does 80mph in a 30 zone, what makes these people think they will do 20?!
Are you just plain stupid?? Limiting cars would actually be dangerous. What if someone is sat an inch off your bumper (happens every day in bradford) and you want to speed up to move out of the way and avoid an accident waiting to happen, but wait you can't because your limited. Fantastic idea.

Its not speed that kills its driving irresponsibly that kills.

Its like the age old argument, its not guns that kill people its people that kill people.

Drive responsibly for your surroundings and pay enough attention and you can easily avoid 99.9% of accidents.

Like I said before if parents are doing their job properly, kids wouldn't be in the road on they're own in the first place to get run over by a car!
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: It is a shame that drivers must be forced to obey the law via humps and ever reducing speed limits. It's about time we stuck gps devices on all cars which can limit vehicles automatically. Anyone found to be tampering their device would serve a severe prison sentence for blatant disregard of other's safety. Afterall, if a dangerous/illegal driver does 80mph in a 30 zone, what makes these people think they will do 20?![/p][/quote]Are you just plain stupid?? Limiting cars would actually be dangerous. What if someone is sat an inch off your bumper (happens every day in bradford) and you want to speed up to move out of the way and avoid an accident waiting to happen, but wait you can't because your limited. Fantastic idea. Its not speed that kills its driving irresponsibly that kills. Its like the age old argument, its not guns that kill people its people that kill people. Drive responsibly for your surroundings and pay enough attention and you can easily avoid 99.9% of accidents. Like I said before if parents are doing their job properly, kids wouldn't be in the road on they're own in the first place to get run over by a car! bennyG

4:25pm Mon 25 Feb 13

damraf says...

why should anyone at the council be punished, it was a contractor who put the humps in not the council, its the contractor that removed them not the council. The council acted quickly when the fault was discovered and dealt with it how can the council be at fault
why should anyone at the council be punished, it was a contractor who put the humps in not the council, its the contractor that removed them not the council. The council acted quickly when the fault was discovered and dealt with it how can the council be at fault damraf

4:36pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Silsdenman says...

How on earth can a contractor make such a basic mistake? The humps are specified to be a certain size and that is it. It's not as if these are the first humps ever installed in the history of humps. Whoever is responsible should be sent to prison forever and deprived of all their assets for being terminally stupid.
How on earth can a contractor make such a basic mistake? The humps are specified to be a certain size and that is it. It's not as if these are the first humps ever installed in the history of humps. Whoever is responsible should be sent to prison forever and deprived of all their assets for being terminally stupid. Silsdenman

5:00pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Outraged English Subject says...

The plans read inches and the contractor read feet, simples, do not be too hard on them. ;-)
The plans read inches and the contractor read feet, simples, do not be too hard on them. ;-) Outraged English Subject

6:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13

angry bradfordian says...

damraf wrote:
why should anyone at the council be punished, it was a contractor who put the humps in not the council, its the contractor that removed them not the council. The council acted quickly when the fault was discovered and dealt with it how can the council be at fault
In the original story a couple of weeks ago the council said it had been caused by the profile of the road been abnormal and nothing to do with the humps themselves. This story says the contractor MAY have to pay for the repairs so it's obviously not clearly the contractors fault.

In law, as the client it's the council's responsibility to design the scheme safely and supervise the works. This is the case for anything from a house extension to a skyscraper.
The fact these humps were incorrect was only highlighted by people complaining their councillors.
[quote][p][bold]damraf[/bold] wrote: why should anyone at the council be punished, it was a contractor who put the humps in not the council, its the contractor that removed them not the council. The council acted quickly when the fault was discovered and dealt with it how can the council be at fault[/p][/quote]In the original story a couple of weeks ago the council said it had been caused by the profile of the road been abnormal and nothing to do with the humps themselves. This story says the contractor MAY have to pay for the repairs so it's obviously not clearly the contractors fault. In law, as the client it's the council's responsibility to design the scheme safely and supervise the works. This is the case for anything from a house extension to a skyscraper. The fact these humps were incorrect was only highlighted by people complaining their councillors. angry bradfordian

10:44pm Mon 25 Feb 13

TMNabWood says...

Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.
Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less. TMNabWood

6:30am Tue 26 Feb 13

Albion. says...

TMNabWood wrote:
Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.
You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered.
[quote][p][bold]TMNabWood[/bold] wrote: Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.[/p][/quote]You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered. Albion.

7:33am Tue 26 Feb 13

TMNabWood says...

Albion. wrote:
TMNabWood wrote:
Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.
You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered.
You mean the alternative routes that have been going on for 30 years? Nab Wood has always been a rat run and never had any issues on speed or accidents. These speed humps are NOT needed, plain and simple. As for saltaire roundabout, there's more chance Westfield completing bradford city center as originally promised than Saltaire rounadbout being altered.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TMNabWood[/bold] wrote: Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.[/p][/quote]You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered.[/p][/quote]You mean the alternative routes that have been going on for 30 years? Nab Wood has always been a rat run and never had any issues on speed or accidents. These speed humps are NOT needed, plain and simple. As for saltaire roundabout, there's more chance Westfield completing bradford city center as originally promised than Saltaire rounadbout being altered. TMNabWood

10:13am Tue 26 Feb 13

Albion. says...

TMNabWood wrote:
Albion. wrote:
TMNabWood wrote:
Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.
You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered.
You mean the alternative routes that have been going on for 30 years? Nab Wood has always been a rat run and never had any issues on speed or accidents. These speed humps are NOT needed, plain and simple. As for saltaire roundabout, there's more chance Westfield completing bradford city center as originally promised than Saltaire rounadbout being altered.
Nonsense! And once work on the roundabout does start, you will find many more than ever before, looking for alternatives.
[quote][p][bold]TMNabWood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TMNabWood[/bold] wrote: Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.[/p][/quote]You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered.[/p][/quote]You mean the alternative routes that have been going on for 30 years? Nab Wood has always been a rat run and never had any issues on speed or accidents. These speed humps are NOT needed, plain and simple. As for saltaire roundabout, there's more chance Westfield completing bradford city center as originally promised than Saltaire rounadbout being altered.[/p][/quote]Nonsense! And once work on the roundabout does start, you will find many more than ever before, looking for alternatives. Albion.

10:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

TMNabWood says...

Albion. wrote:
TMNabWood wrote:
Albion. wrote:
TMNabWood wrote:
Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.
You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered.
You mean the alternative routes that have been going on for 30 years? Nab Wood has always been a rat run and never had any issues on speed or accidents. These speed humps are NOT needed, plain and simple. As for saltaire roundabout, there's more chance Westfield completing bradford city center as originally promised than Saltaire rounadbout being altered.
Nonsense! And once work on the roundabout does start, you will find many more than ever before, looking for alternatives.
Which bit is nonesense? the fact that Nab Wood has been used as a rat run for 30 years, or accidents involving speed have been few and far between in those 30 years? The saltaire roundabout plan has been stuck on the drawing board for years, it was talked about ATLEAST 10 years ago when the bingley bypass was opened. Saltaire roundabout improvements will not happen in the next 10 years. Have you not noticed a story today that the council are applying for funding for a supposed bottle neck on canal road at Arnold Laver? Why there? Why not saltaire? Bradford council are hoping that a saltaire and shipley bypass can be agreed before they change saltaire roundabout.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TMNabWood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TMNabWood[/bold] wrote: Having been a resident of Nab Wood for near on 30 years I think I can say with confidence that these speed humps are not needed. The area has been a 30mph area for all the time I have lived there, I went to school at Nab Wood Middle and regularly walked up through the neighbourhood and not seen drivers speed to be an issue. I went over one of these speed humps at the bottom of New Close Road at 15mph and the car felt like it left the ground. The area that needed seeing to was the junction of Moorhead and Ashfield, nothing more nothing less.[/p][/quote]You will probably find that they are needed when people start looking for alternative routes when Saltaire roundabout is altered.[/p][/quote]You mean the alternative routes that have been going on for 30 years? Nab Wood has always been a rat run and never had any issues on speed or accidents. These speed humps are NOT needed, plain and simple. As for saltaire roundabout, there's more chance Westfield completing bradford city center as originally promised than Saltaire rounadbout being altered.[/p][/quote]Nonsense! And once work on the roundabout does start, you will find many more than ever before, looking for alternatives.[/p][/quote]Which bit is nonesense? the fact that Nab Wood has been used as a rat run for 30 years, or accidents involving speed have been few and far between in those 30 years? The saltaire roundabout plan has been stuck on the drawing board for years, it was talked about ATLEAST 10 years ago when the bingley bypass was opened. Saltaire roundabout improvements will not happen in the next 10 years. Have you not noticed a story today that the council are applying for funding for a supposed bottle neck on canal road at Arnold Laver? Why there? Why not saltaire? Bradford council are hoping that a saltaire and shipley bypass can be agreed before they change saltaire roundabout. TMNabWood

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree