Campaign to re-open Flappit Quarry as off-road bike track (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I think the insurance is the real key to this, it would have to be made so that the council had no liability.
I'm not too sure that it would make a huge difference to illegal on-road riders, a youngster miles from there who has bought an old bike from his mates (or even stolen one) might well not have the facilities to transport his bike there, or the money for insurance etc.
It was well used before though and there is evidently a good demand for it still.
I hope it gets restored as an off-road riding place, there are all too few that are legal.

I think it should be re-opened as it was used by a lot of people as a family day out and didnt cost the earth. So bring in a payment system where you do have to pay a fee, but dont overcharge.

Lets be sensible..when it was open the ambulances were up there every weekend and untaxed, uninsured bikers constantly used the main road, racing up and down the A629. The amount of dirt that was washed on to the road contributed to a number of car accidents, the noise and dirt kicked up by these idiots was unbearable. KEEP IT CLOSED, nothing has changed in the past few years..does someone else have to get killed or seriously injured before good sense prevails?

From a wildlife point of view the place has been rejuvenated , the heather is blooming where there once was dirt tracks.
On the flip side we now have these clowns racing on roads putting others at risk so I agree with others, open it up and charge a fee and make everyone have insurance.
The noise pollution argument doesn't wash with me, it's a fair distance to the nearest house

Mike Strutter obviously doesn't live in or near the area when he makes ill advised and frankly simply incorrect comments about the proximity of the nearest house. Or if he does live close by he needs to open his eyes a bit more and not try and make out that it's miles away from anywhere and in a nice isolated spot...IT ISN'T!!! Next time you are in the area Mr Strutter have a look around

Inside Information.
Ambulances every weekend,I think we are
exaggerating.
Mud on road causing accidents,perhaps a little mud.I can't remember any accidents,caused by mud on road.
Unfortunately someone died up there,but someone died up cow and calf last year
Shut that down as well,shall we ?.

Inside Information wrote:
Mike Strutter obviously doesn't live in or near the area when he makes ill advised and frankly simply incorrect comments about the proximity of the nearest house. Or if he does live close by he needs to open his eyes a bit more and not try and make out that it's miles away from anywhere and in a nice isolated spot...IT ISN'T!!! Next time you are in the area Mr Strutter have a look around

Thanks for the geography lesson !!

It's hardly in a built up area

bet the bikes on the flappits was there a long time before the nearest residents but they still chose to live there. all join the Facebook group and lets get it open.

Waste your time joining the Facebook "campaign" all you want, it carries no weight whatsoever in law. The reasons it was closed by the Council haven't changed at all and thus there is absolutely no reason to change anything..as the Council have already stated..would be interesting to see exactly what the cost was for all the ambulances, police etc over the last year that the bikers were using the quarry..not forgetting the air ambulance call outs as well...and just for one final piece of information ..the houses and farms around the quarry have been there far longer than bikes have..and longer than the quarry has for that matter. You'll need far stronger arguments and much better research to even get reopening it considered

is it true that there's far more horse riding accidents than off road bike accidents. far more deaths in the grand national one race than a year of motocross. people talk about they would be mud on the road, what about all the horse s**t. if my dog did something like that on the road and i just road off and left it £1000 fine. lets ban horses and eat them all. can anyone tell me what part of fun any councils get involved in ?. the flappits is an activity that thousands off people want to get involved in and want to run properly. charging people to use, making proper tracks, having paramedics and stewards on site, having the correct insurance. but most of all thousands of young and old people having fun. and may all the do gooders a right it might not happen. but to them thats trying keep it up you never no. and to the police officers chasing bikes around all day. lets hope theres no more deaths.

And the prize for the best basic use of English grammar goes to? It's very reassuring to know that this is the type of person "leading" the "campaign"...I can rest easy now

Inside Information wrote:
Lets be sensible..when it was open the ambulances were up there every weekend and untaxed, uninsured bikers constantly used the main road, racing up and down the A629. The amount of dirt that was washed on to the road contributed to a number of car accidents, the noise and dirt kicked up by these idiots was unbearable. KEEP IT CLOSED, nothing has changed in the past few years..does someone else have to get killed or seriously injured before good sense prevails?

If somebody is going to hurt themselves, they are going to hurt themselves and act stupid regardless of where they want to be.

The flappit is a great place for bikers to meet up and have a good time, so someone died doing what they enjoyed doing... that's life. I'm sure in an ideal world you'd want humans to be satisfied by basket weaving. Live a little. YOLO.

Mike Strutter wrote:

Inside Information wrote:
Mike Strutter obviously doesn't live in or near the area when he makes ill advised and frankly simply incorrect comments about the proximity of the nearest house. Or if he does live close by he needs to open his eyes a bit more and not try and make out that it's miles away from anywhere and in a nice isolated spot...IT ISN'T!!! Next time you are in the area Mr Strutter have a look around

Thanks for the geography lesson !!

It's hardly in a built up area

I was quite interested in the reply about it not being in an isolated spot and you say it isn't. As I frequent that road and I was struggling to know where these house where. If you could use this and point out where they are please https://maps.google.
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Inside Information wrote:
And the prize for the best basic use of English grammar goes to? It's very reassuring to know that this is the type of person "leading" the "campaign"...I can rest easy now

English grammar has absolutely nothing to do with whether this campaign will succeed. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Your attempt to disparage an opposing comment just because it is not written to the standard you expect, simply highlights what an intolerable, pedantic, bigot you are.

palangi wrote:

Inside Information wrote:
And the prize for the best basic use of English grammar goes to? It's very reassuring to know that this is the type of person "leading" the "campaign"...I can rest easy now

English grammar has absolutely nothing to do with whether this campaign will succeed. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Your attempt to disparage an opposing comment just because it is not written to the standard you expect, simply highlights what an intolerable, pedantic, bigot you are.

Agreed

Ralph Pootawn wrote:

Inside Information wrote: Lets be sensible..when it was open the ambulances were up there every weekend and untaxed, uninsured bikers constantly used the main road, racing up and down the A629. The amount of dirt that was washed on to the road contributed to a number of car accidents, the noise and dirt kicked up by these idiots was unbearable. KEEP IT CLOSED, nothing has changed in the past few years..does someone else have to get killed or seriously injured before good sense prevails?

If somebody is going to hurt themselves, they are going to hurt themselves and act stupid regardless of where they want to be. The flappit is a great place for bikers to meet up and have a good time, so someone died doing what they enjoyed doing... that's life. I'm sure in an ideal world you'd want humans to be satisfied by basket weaving. Live a little. YOLO.

How insensitive, I lost my parents in a basket weaving incident! That too should now be banned in accordance with the post by Inside Information above ; )

Inside Information wrote:
And the prize for the best basic use of English grammar goes to? It's very reassuring to know that this is the type of person "leading" the "campaign"...I can rest easy now

luckily you wright about my grammar im dyslectic. i say luckily because if i wasn't dyslectic i might be sat behind a desk now in some dead end job instead of running 3 successful businesses. and im not involved in any campaign to get the flappit open iv only stopped there twice for a sandwich. but i feel like getting involved. anyway Inside Information what ever you call yourself iv seen you on here before taking the mick out off other peoples misfortunes. your getting a bit boring now find something to do. and can i ask how this campaign affects you exactly.

I do hope this can be reopened, (all legal and above broad) no longer an off-roader now, but can remember all the fun and enjoyment it brings, all the best for your campaign.

Realistically, with all the councils budget cuts and pressure to reduce spending across all areas, do you think they will be putting this on the agenda when there are many more, better deserving causes out there that they can spend their budget on? Move on and get a life END OF

palangi wrote:

Inside Information wrote:
And the prize for the best basic use of English grammar goes to? It's very reassuring to know that this is the type of person "leading" the "campaign"...I can rest easy now

English grammar has absolutely nothing to do with whether this campaign will succeed. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Your attempt to disparage an opposing comment just because it is not written to the standard you expect, simply highlights what an intolerable, pedantic, bigot you are.

Agreed here as well, some people are to$$ers

Inside Information wrote:
Realistically, with all the councils budget cuts and pressure to reduce spending across all areas, do you think they will be putting this on the agenda when there are many more, better deserving causes out there that they can spend their budget on? Move on and get a life END OF

so basically this doesn't have any affect on you. i think the campaigners are trying to make it pay for its self by charging people to use it and are not asking for much help. i think the council should sell the land for a pound to who ever wants to take it on. and could buy it back for a pound when they want it. that way responsibility is taken away from them

Albion. wrote:
I think the insurance is the real key to this, it would have to be made so that the council had no liability.
I'm not too sure that it would make a huge difference to illegal on-road riders, a youngster miles from there who has bought an old bike from his mates (or even stolen one) might well not have the facilities to transport his bike there, or the money for insurance etc.
It was well used before though and there is evidently a good demand for it still.
I hope it gets restored as an off-road riding place, there are all too few that are legal.

Think back to the summer months, especially sundays, when Flappit was the highlight of the day, an ooccassion, we called it "scrambling" then, until the sad death and, this is what the council wanted, an excuse to close it off, but like a previous comment, it would generate a huge amount if indeed the council would reopened it with all the neccessary safety safeguards. The mobile shops and ice-cream vendors, made a fortune and, it was GREAT fun for the kids who came from surrounding districts.

hammo10 wrote:

Inside Information wrote: Realistically, with all the councils budget cuts and pressure to reduce spending across all areas, do you think they will be putting this on the agenda when there are many more, better deserving causes out there that they can spend their budget on? Move on and get a life END OF

so basically this doesn't have any affect on you. i think the campaigners are trying to make it pay for its self by charging people to use it and are not asking for much help. i think the council should sell the land for a pound to who ever wants to take it on. and could buy it back for a pound when they want it. that way responsibility is taken away from them

Would this then become"Poundland".

I'm sparticus wrote:

Ralph Pootawn wrote:

Inside Information wrote: Lets be sensible..when it was open the ambulances were up there every weekend and untaxed, uninsured bikers constantly used the main road, racing up and down the A629. The amount of dirt that was washed on to the road contributed to a number of car accidents, the noise and dirt kicked up by these idiots was unbearable. KEEP IT CLOSED, nothing has changed in the past few years..does someone else have to get killed or seriously injured before good sense prevails?

If somebody is going to hurt themselves, they are going to hurt themselves and act stupid regardless of where they want to be. The flappit is a great place for bikers to meet up and have a good time, so someone died doing what they enjoyed doing... that's life. I'm sure in an ideal world you'd want humans to be satisfied by basket weaving. Live a little. YOLO.

How insensitive, I lost my parents in a basket weaving incident! That too should now be banned in accordance with the post by Inside Information above ; )

It most certainly should be banned if you could loose your life weaving a basket.

flogem wrote:

hammo10 wrote:

Inside Information wrote: Realistically, with all the councils budget cuts and pressure to reduce spending across all areas, do you think they will be putting this on the agenda when there are many more, better deserving causes out there that they can spend their budget on? Move on and get a life END OF

so basically this doesn't have any affect on you. i think the campaigners are trying to make it pay for its self by charging people to use it and are not asking for much help. i think the council should sell the land for a pound to who ever wants to take it on. and could buy it back for a pound when they want it. that way responsibility is taken away from them

Would this then become"Poundlan
d".

yes just like the rest of bradford

It's good to see so many comments,supporting reopening flappit.The poll is doing well,just shows how people feel about this.I used to ride up there quite often.And sometimes just liked to walk round.Just watching people enjoying themselves,a rare sight in Bradford these days.

if it is re-opened have a day licence fee much like some areas in doncaster this pays the council to pay for the ambulance but also can pay for marshals to walk round the flappit area to make sure if someone does get hurt they will be tended too as quickly as possible also you must have a helmet and boots and if you are complaing that it makes too much noise you moved to that area full well knowing it was there and lastly if you tried riding a bike before setting your judgment in stone it is an amazing sport also keeping kids off the streets stealing and causing trouble instead they would be being productive overall yes get it up but just put stuff in place to keep everyone safe

if it is re-opened have a day licence fee much like some areas in doncaster this pays the council to pay for the ambulance but also can pay for marshals to walk round the flappit area to make sure if someone does get hurt they will be tended too as quickly as possible also you must have a helmet and boots and if you are complaing that it makes too much noise you moved to that area full well knowing it was there and lastly if you tried riding a bike before setting your judgment in stone it is an amazing sport also keeping kids off the streets stealing and causing trouble instead they would be being productive overall yes get it up but just put stuff in place to keep everyone safe

The guy that owns the quarry tried to block it off, surely it's his right to do that! And people signing a fb campaign but think if it could be reopened should surely think before they join. It would need organising considerably to make it as safe as possible. The paramedics couldnt even get on the quarry, so who in their right mind would take their children. Flappit quarry proved to be a death trap and people are making jokes about basket weaving! Maybe listen to thursdays T&A interview before you sign on Facebook ... Just how many deaths does it take until people think safety 1st?

Hope you are still reading the comments hammo10, ralph pootawn et al?

As a biker, I enjoy the freedom that can be enjoyed by such tracks, when located in a suitable environment.

However, having used Flappit quarry several years ago myself and then abstaining by ethical choice, it should not reopen! In my opinion, the council made the correct call in closing this quarry to bikers.

This quarry is not a safe environment or location. The mud on the road at the entrance of the quarry was a serious issue for road users on a road already notorious for accidents and death - how many more bikers need to die? Furthermore, the quarry itself was unsafe and reopening will without doubt, result in further serious injuries and ultimately, further deaths.

From a planning perspective, part of the quarries original planning permission stated that when closed, it would be restored back to it's original state, a valued area for wildlife and natural beauty.

Many supporting comments advise that this is the perfect remote location for such a facility. However, just over the hill is a residential and caravan park, having won various nature awards. Reopening this quarry will have a serious impact on local business, wildlife and nearby houses. Look on google satellite and you will see quite clearly that this site is not as remote as some would have you believe. Furthermore, noise travels a great distance and while a few may enjoy full throttle, many local residents will suffer, especially in the summer months.

I just hope the council are not tempted by promises of business venture, as this will without doubt, result in a further drain on emergency services, legal pursuits and public upset.