'Gilstead traffic-calming measures not working' (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

There are a lot of drivers who disregard any speed limit. You only have to drive at, or slightly under the speed limit and just see how many drivers overtake you.
Speed bumps are not the answer - PROPER traffic policing is the only way to stop this.

Multiple chicanes and / or reducing the road to one lane at points and having give way coming up / down the road alternately will work better, and get rid of the car wrecking humps.

This comes as no surprise and wonder how many millions Bradford Highways have spent on speed humps which only succeed in damaging cars and increasing sales of 4x4's...

And the fact that as 20mph isn't an official speed limit, in the eyes of the law, you cannot be prosecuted for exceeding it.
No one has ever had points or a fine for exceeding a 20mph 'limit', you will only be 'advised'. You can be done for going over 30 in a 20 'limit; though, as that is the actual speed limit in your average 20 zone.

Whenever I read a story about traffic calming, the first question I always think about is:
How many of these people who are complaining about speeding motorists could say hand-on-heart that they have never, ever sped through SOMEBODY ELSE'S neighbourhood.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people speeding through Gilstead will moan about people speeding through their streets as well!

angry bradfordian wrote:
Whenever I read a story about traffic calming, the first question I always think about is:
How many of these people who are complaining about speeding motorists could say hand-on-heart that they have never, ever sped through SOMEBODY ELSE'S neighbourhood.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people speeding through Gilstead will moan about people speeding through their streets as well!

There were studies done when speed cameras first become common, looking at where the speeders lived relative to where they had been caught speeding. Turned out the vast majority weren't people from other areas, but locals. Seemed that they thought "speed limits don't apply to locals, because they know the local roads/conditions"

radiobantam1 wrote:
Multiple chicanes and / or reducing the road to one lane at points and having give way coming up / down the road alternately will work better, and get rid of the car wrecking humps.

my cousin has those measures on his road in taunton. he said that twoccers just steal a car and have races through the new and exciting racetrack making it even more dangerous.

From an engineering perspective, has anything happened re "custard filled speed bumps"? Custard is a non-newtonian fluid, and has the rather strange property of flowing less the harder it it hit. Take a larger of form of Percy Shaw's Cats eyes(fairly local invention as it happens) fill the box into which the top gets depressed with custard and set the device in the middle of the road. That should result in a speed bump that would only be agressive for speeding vehicles. As heavier vehicles exert more force when going over a speed bump the agression will be proportional to the weight of the vehicle.

Speed bumps are not the answer. All they do is ruin your car i have a Volvo Estate and i will be on my second set of bushes on front suspension and a front spring in 4 years due to the speed bumps on Wrose road and surrounding areas. speed bumps punish everyone because of the few who want to speed. The roads are in a bad enough state with pot holes and uneven surfaces we don't need anymore or i WILL have to buy a 4x4 next as i can't afford to keep having my car repaired. I pay road and petrol tax to be on the road perhaps the government should not steal all that money to pay the debts off and use it for roads like it should be.

Steve30d wrote:
From an engineering perspective, has anything happened re "custard filled speed bumps"? Custard is a non-newtonian fluid, and has the rather strange property of flowing less the harder it it hit. Take a larger of form of Percy Shaw's Cats eyes(fairly local invention as it happens) fill the box into which the top gets depressed with custard and set the device in the middle of the road. That should result in a speed bump that would only be agressive for speeding vehicles. As heavier vehicles exert more force when going over a speed bump the agression will be proportional to the weight of the vehicle.

Did you read that in Viz?

So does Mr Jarvis live in Gilstead as reported in paragraph 2 or Eldwick as reported in paragraph 4, brilliant reporting as usual!.

Have you seen all the mud tracks left over the parks, grass verges and roundabouts by reckless 4 x 4 drivers ?

I hope someone is doing something about them !

wobbly bob says that the Police do nto recognise 20mph speed limits. If he is right and the article indicates that the Police will NOT enforce these 20mph limits what is the point in our Council wasting all this tax payers money in various parts of the district putting in speed bumps that just wreck people cars, as they are going to speed anyway. If the Police will not enforce 20mph zones why have they been seen with radar guns in Bingley
main Street ?

cockadoodledo wrote:
wobbly bob says that the Police do nto recognise 20mph speed limits. If he is right and the article indicates that the Police will NOT enforce these 20mph limits what is the point in our Council wasting all this tax payers money in various parts of the district putting in speed bumps that just wreck people cars, as they are going to speed anyway. If the Police will not enforce 20mph zones why have they been seen with radar guns in Bingley
main Street ?

Because the 20mph limit doesn't exist in law...

webess wrote:

cockadoodledo wrote:
wobbly bob says that the Police do nto recognise 20mph speed limits. If he is right and the article indicates that the Police will NOT enforce these 20mph limits what is the point in our Council wasting all this tax payers money in various parts of the district putting in speed bumps that just wreck people cars, as they are going to speed anyway. If the Police will not enforce 20mph zones why have they been seen with radar guns in Bingley
main Street ?

Because the 20mph limit doesn't exist in law...

Correction - it does now. But the fact remains speed humps are yet another failure from Bradford Highways.

And nobody's mentioned the increased response time for emergency services..

webess wrote:

webess wrote:

cockadoodledo wrote:
wobbly bob says that the Police do nto recognise 20mph speed limits. If he is right and the article indicates that the Police will NOT enforce these 20mph limits what is the point in our Council wasting all this tax payers money in various parts of the district putting in speed bumps that just wreck people cars, as they are going to speed anyway. If the Police will not enforce 20mph zones why have they been seen with radar guns in Bingley
main Street ?

Because the 20mph limit doesn't exist in law...

Correction - it does now. But the fact remains speed humps are yet another failure from Bradford Highways.

And nobody's mentioned the increased response time for emergency services..

"Correction - it does now."

Yes It does exist as an advisory limit, but how can you be prosecuted when as a practical issue it's made somewhat problematic by the fact that EU type approval regs. don't impose any accuracy requirements at all on car speedometers below 40 kph (about 25 mph).

Also a condition of the Gatso's type approval is that it's only used to enforce speed limits of 30mph or greater.

webess wrote:

Steve30d wrote:
From an engineering perspective, has anything happened re "custard filled speed bumps"? Custard is a non-newtonian fluid, and has the rather strange property of flowing less the harder it it hit. Take a larger of form of Percy Shaw's Cats eyes(fairly local invention as it happens) fill the box into which the top gets depressed with custard and set the device in the middle of the road. That should result in a speed bump that would only be agressive for speeding vehicles. As heavier vehicles exert more force when going over a speed bump the agression will be proportional to the weight of the vehicle.

Did you read that in Viz?

no. germ of the idea is from halfbakery (web site) about 12 years ago.

There's now flexiable body armour for skiers, and similar to help avoid OAPs breaking bones on falls using new materials which share custard's dilatent (or shear thickening) properties, but which don't go mouldy.
As I said previously such fluids flow quite easily when pushed gently and are as hard as concrete when thumped hard. In practise used as a speed bump there'd be no speed bump whatsoever for people travelling at low speed, but a really bad speed bump for those travelling fast.

Its about time we had someone walking infront of every car with a red flag. Now that would be progress
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As a sports car driver, I am heartedly sick of these road humps which effectively ban me from using some public roads
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And 20 zones are really important at 10 oclock at night, or when the schools are on holiday when there is no one else on the road