Action plan to build 3,500 new homes in city centre

Councillor Val Slater with the city centre action plan

Councillor Val Slater with the city centre action plan

First published in News

A wide-ranging action plan for Bradford city centre, which would include creating at least 3,500 new homes, has been unveiled.

The draft document, drawn up by Bradford Council planners, is set to go out to public consultation to help shape a blueprint for the city’s development over the next 15 years.

Councillor Val Slater, executive member for housing, planning and transport, said she was keen for businesses, retailers, residents and community groups to get involved and help shape the future development of the city centre.

She said one of the Council’s key priorities was seeing previously developed, brownfield sites, brought back into use, taking up the theme of the Telegraph & Argus ‘Save Our Green Spaces’ campaign.

She said: “Currently in the city centre, most of it is built-up, but there are a lot of brownfield site buildings that can be reused.”

She said the T&A campaign had helped the Council to identify brownfield areas which could be redeveloped.

The Council plan includes:

  • Boosting the city centre nightlife, by encouraging more people to live at the heart of the city, and making it safer at night by upping CCTV and policing
  • Creating a Business Forest near city park, with grade A office space hoping to tempt businesses into moving their headquarters there
  • Mitigating the effect of the Broadway Shopping Centre on the current shopping district, by introducing more residential development there and promoting it as an area for ‘city living’
  • Allowing the University of Bradford to expand, creating a more welcoming centre for students to visit and socialise l Developing the area around Central Library as a new ‘cultural expansion zone’.

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Development Plan

Click to see details of the development plan

In the plan, the Council sets out what sites it will encourage developers to take on, and what types of development its planners would allow at each site.

The wide-ranging scheme would see thousands of homes built on dozens of the city’s brownfield sites, in a bid to ease the area’s housing crisis.

Among the buildings set aside to be fully or partially redeveloped into homes are the empty department store TJ Hughes, the former Yorkshire Water depot in George Street, old schools, disused mills and vacant council offices.

Many car parks would also be earmarked for new homes, shops, or other facilities, with developers encouraged to incorporate basement car parks in their schemes.

The plan is at an early stage and if the Council’s executive approves the first draft next Tuesday, the first public consultation will begin.

Councillor Val Slater, executive member for housing, planning and transport, said she was keen for businesses, retailers, residents and community groups to get involved and help shape the future development of the city centre.

She said while the Council wanted to hear what people thought of the its proposals, it also wanted people to come forward if they had any other ideas.

Coun Slater compared the plan to a paint-by-numbers picture, with the Council shading in what kinds of development it would like to see on vacant sites.

But she acknowledged that while setting out the vision was important, it was more difficult to make it happen.

She said: “We can know what we want it to look like, but actually to deliver it is another matter.

“You can buy a paint-by-numbers, but there’s lots of factors which influence how it comes out.

“It’s about the skill of the artist, and the artist in this case is quite complex. It is developers, the economic conditions, other people joining in.

“It’s no good saying this picture, when it’s painted, will be a Rembrandt. We want it to be aspirational, but realistic.”

She said the plan wasn’t just about what would go where, but would also set the standard for the quality of any developments.

She said: “It’s about the right homes in the right places at the right price.

“It’s not about building little tacky buildings that people don’t want to live in.

“It’s about creating homes that people want to live in for a lifetime.”

Andrew Marshall, planning and transport strategy manager, who led the team creating the Area Action Plan, said the process was at an early stage and the public could now help to shape its direction.

He said: “We are not saying we have got everything perfectly right here – that’s the point of this consultation – though it’s grounded in the knowledge we have to date.”

Comments (98)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

7:19am Wed 9 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

More dreaming.
Finish in the centre that is started but not complete should be the only thing on your mind.
More dreaming. Finish in the centre that is started but not complete should be the only thing on your mind. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

7:20am Wed 9 Jan 13

angry bradfordian says...

"Mitigating the effect of the Broadway Shopping Centre on the current shopping district, by introducing more residential development there and promoting it as an area for ‘city living’"

What effect?? Are they suggesting there are too many shops in it or not enough residential in it? Whichever it is it seems strange to be suggesting either when there's the possibility of another shopping centre on the horizon.
"Mitigating the effect of the Broadway Shopping Centre on the current shopping district, by introducing more residential development there and promoting it as an area for ‘city living’" What effect?? Are they suggesting there are too many shops in it or not enough residential in it? Whichever it is it seems strange to be suggesting either when there's the possibility of another shopping centre on the horizon. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 0

8:30am Wed 9 Jan 13

collos25 says...

Spending more money on useless plans- dreamworld.
Spending more money on useless plans- dreamworld. collos25
  • Score: 0

8:34am Wed 9 Jan 13

Cooperlane2 says...

Residential comes down to price. People don't want to spend £100k on city centre apartments in Bradford. Price it right and you get starter flats, but, given salaries, they need to be priced at £50k.
Residential comes down to price. People don't want to spend £100k on city centre apartments in Bradford. Price it right and you get starter flats, but, given salaries, they need to be priced at £50k. Cooperlane2
  • Score: 0

8:38am Wed 9 Jan 13

flashdonut says...

Same old, same old. As in moaners that is.
.
It is good to see thought and study. That's how it all starts. There's loads of Brownfield sites - the old Woolcombers on Thornton Rd is one. Why pepper the outskirts and grenn belt?
Same old, same old. As in moaners that is. . It is good to see thought and study. That's how it all starts. There's loads of Brownfield sites - the old Woolcombers on Thornton Rd is one. Why pepper the outskirts and grenn belt? flashdonut
  • Score: 0

8:40am Wed 9 Jan 13

hammo10 says...

which brown field sites are the 2 new schools, the new hospital, 2 new doctors and dental surgeries going. to cope with all these new families. and where are all the jobs coming from. this city can't cope as it is. good luck
which brown field sites are the 2 new schools, the new hospital, 2 new doctors and dental surgeries going. to cope with all these new families. and where are all the jobs coming from. this city can't cope as it is. good luck hammo10
  • Score: 0

10:18am Wed 9 Jan 13

Andy_Bfd says...

What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes
What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes Andy_Bfd
  • Score: 0

10:22am Wed 9 Jan 13

loftyme says...

3,500 homes, how many people does that equate to approx 14,000 eh, and thats conservative nowadays, hammo has it spot on, all schools already full, GP's over subscribed already, dream on! !
3,500 homes, how many people does that equate to approx 14,000 eh, and thats conservative nowadays, hammo has it spot on, all schools already full, GP's over subscribed already, dream on! ! loftyme
  • Score: 0

10:31am Wed 9 Jan 13

JAtkinson says...

Plans are great - but I think there might be one or two gathering dust somewhere in the depths of City Hall - time for action, please.
Plans are great - but I think there might be one or two gathering dust somewhere in the depths of City Hall - time for action, please. JAtkinson
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 9 Jan 13

scanipoos says...

Great VAL, as long as theirs no more plans to DEMOLISH our beautiful city. Theirs been enough of that in the past and its about time we preserved what we have. Its a shame I have to shop in Halifax to get that once great feeling of being proud to be british
Great VAL, as long as theirs no more plans to DEMOLISH our beautiful city. Theirs been enough of that in the past and its about time we preserved what we have. Its a shame I have to shop in Halifax to get that once great feeling of being proud to be british scanipoos
  • Score: 0

10:33am Wed 9 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

All talk and no action, but someone's picking up a fat-cat salary. What has happened to the money Bradford Council gained from selling its stake in Leeds & Bradford International Airport?
All talk and no action, but someone's picking up a fat-cat salary. What has happened to the money Bradford Council gained from selling its stake in Leeds & Bradford International Airport? Commonsensefirst
  • Score: 0

10:37am Wed 9 Jan 13

angry bradfordian says...

Andy_Bfd wrote:
What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes
Turing the Odeon into office space seems to be a pretty major thing not to include in the original article.

Does that mean it's now council policy that they aren't interested in a music venue?
[quote][p][bold]Andy_Bfd[/bold] wrote: What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes[/p][/quote]Turing the Odeon into office space seems to be a pretty major thing not to include in the original article. Does that mean it's now council policy that they aren't interested in a music venue? angry bradfordian
  • Score: 0

10:38am Wed 9 Jan 13

bradford_Northern says...

Ridiculous!
Looking forward to yet another 'Artist's Impression' of something that will never materialise.
Perhaps they should concentrate on finishing some of the other schemes so that people may actually want to live in the City Centre.
Ridiculous! Looking forward to yet another 'Artist's Impression' of something that will never materialise. Perhaps they should concentrate on finishing some of the other schemes so that people may actually want to live in the City Centre. bradford_Northern
  • Score: 0

10:38am Wed 9 Jan 13

angry bradfordian says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Andy_Bfd wrote:
What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes
Turing the Odeon into office space seems to be a pretty major thing not to include in the original article.

Does that mean it's now council policy that they aren't interested in a music venue?
And if it is the case that they'd rather have office space than a music venue, how would this get more residents to the city centre than something that would attract more people into the city after dark?
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Bfd[/bold] wrote: What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes[/p][/quote]Turing the Odeon into office space seems to be a pretty major thing not to include in the original article. Does that mean it's now council policy that they aren't interested in a music venue?[/p][/quote]And if it is the case that they'd rather have office space than a music venue, how would this get more residents to the city centre than something that would attract more people into the city after dark? angry bradfordian
  • Score: 0

10:54am Wed 9 Jan 13

Albion. says...

"Councillor Val Slater, executive member for housing, planning and transport, said she was keen for businesses, retailers, residents and community groups to get involved and help shape the future development of the city centre."
Would their views actually make a difference in the long term, have their views been considered in the past?
Does the councillor really think that several thousand people of desirable character would wish to live in central Bradford, or is this an attempt to re-enforce the ghetto image?
"Councillor Val Slater, executive member for housing, planning and transport, said she was keen for businesses, retailers, residents and community groups to get involved and help shape the future development of the city centre." Would their views actually make a difference in the long term, have their views been considered in the past? Does the councillor really think that several thousand people of desirable character would wish to live in central Bradford, or is this an attempt to re-enforce the ghetto image? Albion.
  • Score: 0

11:23am Wed 9 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Oh dear oh dear.
Still harping on about grade A office space.

Leeds is the place now.

Noone in their right mind would put their head office in Bradford now.

Recently Yorkshire Housing relocated to Leeds.

The Odeon should be culture/music/arts.A
S most already have indicated they would want to see.Public opinion has already made its voice on that one so it shows how much notice these idiots take of the publics opinionin formulating these ridiculous ideas.

Would you buy in Bradford centre with all the daily reported scum that fills the Crown Court Crime headlines daily?.

Another 5 locked up yesterday.

Its daily and is juast about to get a whole lot worse

Idiots as usual.

The old Coop will never be retail again but could make good offices for the Provident.
Oh dear oh dear. Still harping on about grade A office space. Leeds is the place now. Noone in their right mind would put their head office in Bradford now. Recently Yorkshire Housing relocated to Leeds. The Odeon should be culture/music/arts.A S most already have indicated they would want to see.Public opinion has already made its voice on that one so it shows how much notice these idiots take of the publics opinionin formulating these ridiculous ideas. Would you buy in Bradford centre with all the daily reported scum that fills the Crown Court Crime headlines daily?. Another 5 locked up yesterday. Its daily and is juast about to get a whole lot worse Idiots as usual. The old Coop will never be retail again but could make good offices for the Provident. alfucham
  • Score: 0

11:26am Wed 9 Jan 13

alfucham says...

WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN

MARSHALL OUT
WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN MARSHALL OUT alfucham
  • Score: 0

11:28am Wed 9 Jan 13

pockman says...

Getting people into the City centre is a vital step towards regeneration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this particular "vision". Doing nothing is not an option. Of course, there are a multitude of problems to be overcome but many Cities have shown that areas can be improved by this method. Bradford needs people with vision and it is certain that constant negativity will only drag down the City further. So, I hope that these plans (properly thought out and costed) come to fruition - Bradford has two choices : which way is the City to go - up or down ? Why not strive for "up" ?
Getting people into the City centre is a vital step towards regeneration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this particular "vision". Doing nothing is not an option. Of course, there are a multitude of problems to be overcome but many Cities have shown that areas can be improved by this method. Bradford needs people with vision and it is certain that constant negativity will only drag down the City further. So, I hope that these plans (properly thought out and costed) come to fruition - Bradford has two choices : which way is the City to go - up or down ? Why not strive for "up" ? pockman
  • Score: 0

11:56am Wed 9 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

pockman wrote:
Getting people into the City centre is a vital step towards regeneration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this particular "vision". Doing nothing is not an option. Of course, there are a multitude of problems to be overcome but many Cities have shown that areas can be improved by this method. Bradford needs people with vision and it is certain that constant negativity will only drag down the City further. So, I hope that these plans (properly thought out and costed) come to fruition - Bradford has two choices : which way is the City to go - up or down ? Why not strive for "up" ?
Yes lets go UP, but isn't the present DOWN.
I'll give 3 examples there will be more.
10 years waiting for Westfield shopping centre.
10 years messing about the Odeon/New Victoria.
Half of an old police station knocked down.
As I sais all efforts needed now to finish these projects will mean UP.
[quote][p][bold]pockman[/bold] wrote: Getting people into the City centre is a vital step towards regeneration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this particular "vision". Doing nothing is not an option. Of course, there are a multitude of problems to be overcome but many Cities have shown that areas can be improved by this method. Bradford needs people with vision and it is certain that constant negativity will only drag down the City further. So, I hope that these plans (properly thought out and costed) come to fruition - Bradford has two choices : which way is the City to go - up or down ? Why not strive for "up" ?[/p][/quote]Yes lets go UP, but isn't the present DOWN. I'll give 3 examples there will be more. 10 years waiting for Westfield shopping centre. 10 years messing about the Odeon/New Victoria. Half of an old police station knocked down. As I sais all efforts needed now to finish these projects will mean UP. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Yorkshire Lass says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Andy_Bfd wrote:
What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes
Turing the Odeon into office space seems to be a pretty major thing not to include in the original article.

Does that mean it's now council policy that they aren't interested in a music venue?
So at last it has been put into print what is hoping to happen to the Odeon. Just as we always thought more offices for even less Companies to use. Unfortunately Bradford is about 20 years behind Leeds having made their priority on extending immigrant areas and closing down the city centre bit by bit. This planning has come back to bite them as we are several housing areas short, plus doctors', schools, hospitals and yet more and more cars with inadequate parking and upkeep of the said roads. More and more people here are going to the charities for food handouts and I think it is now time to look at plan B instead of spending money on these fantasies. Finish off what has already been started first and then if our City is so over saturated with newcomers, surely their are other places in this Country who could make them feel as welcome as this city has. Footnote: Councillors please take a visit to Leeds and see what is happening in their City Centre. A new shopping centre, within the old has had to be built for the influx of customers from places like Bradford. Please go on a Saturday when the place is "heaving" and see just exacly what monies is being taken by the shops and if you can, remember the good old days in Bradford. Long gone, me and many others think.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Bfd[/bold] wrote: What "The Odeon would become grade A offices" after all that has/is happening re Odeon. Surely Odeon/Alhambra should be heart of so called ‘cultural expansion zone' That said this looks like another of Bradford's famous waste of money schemes[/p][/quote]Turing the Odeon into office space seems to be a pretty major thing not to include in the original article. Does that mean it's now council policy that they aren't interested in a music venue?[/p][/quote]So at last it has been put into print what is hoping to happen to the Odeon. Just as we always thought more offices for even less Companies to use. Unfortunately Bradford is about 20 years behind Leeds having made their priority on extending immigrant areas and closing down the city centre bit by bit. This planning has come back to bite them as we are several housing areas short, plus doctors', schools, hospitals and yet more and more cars with inadequate parking and upkeep of the said roads. More and more people here are going to the charities for food handouts and I think it is now time to look at plan B instead of spending money on these fantasies. Finish off what has already been started first and then if our City is so over saturated with newcomers, surely their are other places in this Country who could make them feel as welcome as this city has. Footnote: Councillors please take a visit to Leeds and see what is happening in their City Centre. A new shopping centre, within the old has had to be built for the influx of customers from places like Bradford. Please go on a Saturday when the place is "heaving" and see just exacly what monies is being taken by the shops and if you can, remember the good old days in Bradford. Long gone, me and many others think. Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Wed 9 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

loftyme wrote:
3,500 homes, how many people does that equate to approx 14,000 eh, and thats conservative nowadays, hammo has it spot on, all schools already full, GP's over subscribed already, dream on! !
And thousands of cars that will need parking spaces.

This looks like the plan is to remove the city centre entirely and turn Bradford into a suburb of Leeds.
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: 3,500 homes, how many people does that equate to approx 14,000 eh, and thats conservative nowadays, hammo has it spot on, all schools already full, GP's over subscribed already, dream on! ![/p][/quote]And thousands of cars that will need parking spaces. This looks like the plan is to remove the city centre entirely and turn Bradford into a suburb of Leeds. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Wed 9 Jan 13

yorkshiredude says...

loftyme wrote:
3,500 homes, how many people does that equate to approx 14,000 eh, and thats conservative nowadays, hammo has it spot on, all schools already full, GP's over subscribed already, dream on! !
Average household size in the district is about 2.5 - given many of these homes would be very unlikely to have families in them, it'd be about 6,000 people max.

But yes, what do we do then? Cull people?
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: 3,500 homes, how many people does that equate to approx 14,000 eh, and thats conservative nowadays, hammo has it spot on, all schools already full, GP's over subscribed already, dream on! ![/p][/quote]Average household size in the district is about 2.5 - given many of these homes would be very unlikely to have families in them, it'd be about 6,000 people max. But yes, what do we do then? Cull people? yorkshiredude
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT
• The Odeon would become grade A offices.
*
Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.
AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Wed 9 Jan 13

angry bradfordian says...

Joedavid wrote:
AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT
• The Odeon would become grade A offices.
*
Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.
And even sadder that the T&A didn't think this was worth reporting as one of the main points of the action plan rather than quoting 'business forests'

Either they were humouring everyone by pretending to back the music venue idea or they don't believe what their own report says. Either way, they're not fit to run the city.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.[/p][/quote]And even sadder that the T&A didn't think this was worth reporting as one of the main points of the action plan rather than quoting 'business forests' Either they were humouring everyone by pretending to back the music venue idea or they don't believe what their own report says. Either way, they're not fit to run the city. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 0

1:15pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Patrick Bateman says...

The plan is 'set out to go to consultation' with 'businesses, retailers, residents and community groups'?
.
Why bother? Everyone knows it's little more than a sop to 'local democracy'. All the evidence points to them not caring two hoots about what the vast majority of Bradfordians want or need (their plans for The Odeon being a clear example). More, ahem, 'Grade A' office space? More 'city centre living' accommodation'? Have these fools learnt nothing?

Oh and as for the remark about migrants settling in Bradford (and Bradford lacking social infrastructure/capac
ity to accommodate them) don't forget we have the dubious 'honour' of being a 'City of Sanctuary' so the continuing influx is inevitable - so get used to it. I don't recall ever being consulted about that policy either...
The plan is 'set out to go to consultation' with 'businesses, retailers, residents and community groups'? . Why bother? Everyone knows it's little more than a sop to 'local democracy'. All the evidence points to them not caring two hoots about what the vast majority of Bradfordians want or need (their plans for The Odeon being a clear example). More, ahem, 'Grade A' office space? More 'city centre living' accommodation'? Have these fools learnt nothing? Oh and as for the remark about migrants settling in Bradford (and Bradford lacking social infrastructure/capac ity to accommodate them) don't forget we have the dubious 'honour' of being a 'City of Sanctuary' so the continuing influx is inevitable - so get used to it. I don't recall ever being consulted about that policy either... Patrick Bateman
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Wed 9 Jan 13

The obvious says...

What a joke. Dream on jokers of Bradford
What a joke. Dream on jokers of Bradford The obvious
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Wed 9 Jan 13

The obvious says...

City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face. The obvious
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Wed 9 Jan 13

scottie dog says...

Bradford has indeed fallen in the last 40- 50 years, with the supposed modernisation of the city in the 60s to the demolition of the area built in the 60s to accommodate a yet to be realised pipe dream of the 00s, no business of any substantial standing is willing to invest in the city as is proved by the reluctance before the present economic downturn of take up in the broadway development.
The answer to getting firms & manufacturers to invest in the city is to have a well educated workforce with the work ethic these firms require, until Bradford wakes up and grasps the nettle of a failing education system the city will struggle to attract the diversity of investment it requires.
Bradford has indeed fallen in the last 40- 50 years, with the supposed modernisation of the city in the 60s to the demolition of the area built in the 60s to accommodate a yet to be realised pipe dream of the 00s, no business of any substantial standing is willing to invest in the city as is proved by the reluctance before the present economic downturn of take up in the broadway development. The answer to getting firms & manufacturers to invest in the city is to have a well educated workforce with the work ethic these firms require, until Bradford wakes up and grasps the nettle of a failing education system the city will struggle to attract the diversity of investment it requires. scottie dog
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Wed 9 Jan 13

yorkshiredude says...

The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
[quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now? yorkshiredude
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Wed 9 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants...

I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there!
[quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants... I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Parz says...

Joedavid wrote:
AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.
If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.[/p][/quote]If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be. Parz
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Wed 9 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Parz wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.
If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be.
Agree. The question would be what strategy does the council have for inducing businesses from surrounding towns and cities to relocate their offices and workforces to Bradford?

It's all very well intending to build or re-develop commercial properties but its how you attract tenants or buyers that is the issue. Otherwise Westfield would have been built, tenanted with top end retailers and bustling with shoppers years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.[/p][/quote]If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be.[/p][/quote]Agree. The question would be what strategy does the council have for inducing businesses from surrounding towns and cities to relocate their offices and workforces to Bradford? It's all very well intending to build or re-develop commercial properties but its how you attract tenants or buyers that is the issue. Otherwise Westfield would have been built, tenanted with top end retailers and bustling with shoppers years ago. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

Parz wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.
If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be.
The original and failed development of the site was for Grade A offices, since then we have heard a lot about restoration of the Gaumont New Victoria from at least 2 groups currently willing to have ago to use it as a music venue, and Val Slater comes out with a New Action Plan today for Grade A offices again. Isn't this a kick in the teeth for these people who are already in talks with the Council leader?
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.[/p][/quote]If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be.[/p][/quote]The original and failed development of the site was for Grade A offices, since then we have heard a lot about restoration of the Gaumont New Victoria from at least 2 groups currently willing to have ago to use it as a music venue, and Val Slater comes out with a New Action Plan today for Grade A offices again. Isn't this a kick in the teeth for these people who are already in talks with the Council leader? Joedavid
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Northern1 says...

If this is an example of how Bradford is to turn the corner then God help us.

The stupid, bungling, incompetent idiots can't even get the "paint by number" picture right - they've put two Alhambras on the map!

"Andrew Marshall, planning and transport strategy manager, who led the team creating the Area Action Plan" - well done on a quality job.
If this is an example of how Bradford is to turn the corner then God help us. The stupid, bungling, incompetent idiots can't even get the "paint by number" picture right - they've put two Alhambras on the map! "Andrew Marshall, planning and transport strategy manager, who led the team creating the Area Action Plan" - well done on a quality job. Northern1
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Wed 9 Jan 13

yorkshiredude says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants...

I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there!
I live in the city centre, why would I want to live near fashionable young people? I like living near real ale pubs and public transport links though... and useful shops.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants... I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there![/p][/quote]I live in the city centre, why would I want to live near fashionable young people? I like living near real ale pubs and public transport links though... and useful shops. yorkshiredude
  • Score: 0

3:21pm Wed 9 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

That's your lifestyle choice and not a bad one either but the target demographic for modern city living probably doesn't include you!
That's your lifestyle choice and not a bad one either but the target demographic for modern city living probably doesn't include you! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Wed 9 Jan 13

loftyme says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants...

I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there!
hehe, me too, mind you, passes the time for these planners, makes a change from passing retrospective plans for extensions that have already been built.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants... I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there![/p][/quote]hehe, me too, mind you, passes the time for these planners, makes a change from passing retrospective plans for extensions that have already been built. loftyme
  • Score: 0

4:04pm Wed 9 Jan 13

The obvious says...

yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude

Do you ever travel out of Bradford.

The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities.

Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol. The obvious
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Wed 9 Jan 13

The obvious says...

loftyme wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants...

I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there!
hehe, me too, mind you, passes the time for these planners, makes a change from passing retrospective plans for extensions that have already been built.
Let's see how much money the council and planners I mean consultations waste.

Let's see how many grants and tax free loans will be wasted on this idea.

Then after ten years of talking bull sh!t about this project we will have another huge in the city's budget and another couple of derelict holes in the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]City centre living is really for young urban professionals who want to be in the thick of vibrant areas with fashionable young people, chic bars and restaurants... I've already started laughing so I'll just leave it there![/p][/quote]hehe, me too, mind you, passes the time for these planners, makes a change from passing retrospective plans for extensions that have already been built.[/p][/quote]Let's see how much money the council and planners I mean consultations waste. Let's see how many grants and tax free loans will be wasted on this idea. Then after ten years of talking bull sh!t about this project we will have another huge in the city's budget and another couple of derelict holes in the city centre. The obvious
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

The obvious wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude

Do you ever travel out of Bradford.

The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities.

Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really?

It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure.

Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is.

The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas.

But thats obvious isnt it?
[quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.[/p][/quote]City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it? Andy2010
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Wed 9 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

I spend quite a bit of time on business in Glasgow. There are city living apartments near Central Station that were nearly all unsold because that end of the city centre is a sh1thole. Round the more vibrant Merchant City area, where all the good bars and restaurants are it's a different story.

To correlate this with Bradford, the whole city centre is a sh1thole. There are no decent bars and restaurants. On the whole, in the evening it's a pretty intimidating place with nothing to do. Who would want to live there?
I spend quite a bit of time on business in Glasgow. There are city living apartments near Central Station that were nearly all unsold because that end of the city centre is a sh1thole. Round the more vibrant Merchant City area, where all the good bars and restaurants are it's a different story. To correlate this with Bradford, the whole city centre is a sh1thole. There are no decent bars and restaurants. On the whole, in the evening it's a pretty intimidating place with nothing to do. Who would want to live there? SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Wed 9 Jan 13

gbbantam says...

Great idea.
Build the houses where they are needed,and leave the Green belt out of the city alone.
Great idea. Build the houses where they are needed,and leave the Green belt out of the city alone. gbbantam
  • Score: 0

9:52pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

Actually, if there were a shuttle train from Bradford to Leeds at 4:40am, for people connecting with the train to London, the plan might work. Why has no one ever provided this service?
Actually, if there were a shuttle train from Bradford to Leeds at 4:40am, for people connecting with the train to London, the plan might work. Why has no one ever provided this service? Commonsensefirst
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Wed 9 Jan 13

georget says...

Why not get some usefull building done & Build a Big Mental Hospital on the Westfield site for the These Mental Idiots

More Tax Payers money down the drain
God old Val, will be well retired by 2016
With a Big Fat Purse
Why not get some usefull building done & Build a Big Mental Hospital on the Westfield site for the These Mental Idiots More Tax Payers money down the drain God old Val, will be well retired by 2016 With a Big Fat Purse georget
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Wed 9 Jan 13

georget says...

Why not get some usefull building done & Build a Big Mental Hospital on the Westfield site for the These Mental Idiots

More Tax Payers money down the drain
God old Val, will be well retired by 2016
With a Big Fat Purse
Why not get some usefull building done & Build a Big Mental Hospital on the Westfield site for the These Mental Idiots More Tax Payers money down the drain God old Val, will be well retired by 2016 With a Big Fat Purse georget
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Wed 9 Jan 13

georget says...

Fire at block of flats in Bradford
And More Blocks of high rise flats To Come NOT HOUSES
Fire at block of flats in Bradford And More Blocks of high rise flats To Come NOT HOUSES georget
  • Score: 0

10:13pm Wed 9 Jan 13

georget says...

Must be like living on supermarket Shelves
People just piled on top of each other

They mention High Rise Buildings
WHEN THEY MEAN "FLATS"
Must be like living on supermarket Shelves People just piled on top of each other They mention High Rise Buildings WHEN THEY MEAN "FLATS" georget
  • Score: 0

10:16pm Wed 9 Jan 13

georget says...

Councillor Val Slater, executive member for housing, planning and transport, said she was keen for businesses, retailers, residents and community groups to get involved and help shape the future development of the city centre.

JUST SEE THE T & A, HOW MANY CAR PARKS SHE WANTS TO SHUT DOWN, Planning & TRANSPORT
Methinks she needs Transporting To Another Planet
Councillor Val Slater, executive member for housing, planning and transport, said she was keen for businesses, retailers, residents and community groups to get involved and help shape the future development of the city centre. JUST SEE THE T & A, HOW MANY CAR PARKS SHE WANTS TO SHUT DOWN, Planning & TRANSPORT Methinks she needs Transporting To Another Planet georget
  • Score: 0

10:22pm Wed 9 Jan 13

georget says...

Joedavid wrote:
More dreaming.
Finish in the centre that is started but not complete should be the only thing on your mind.
They have finished,!!!!! They keep saying the have got no money
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: More dreaming. Finish in the centre that is started but not complete should be the only thing on your mind.[/p][/quote]They have finished,!!!!! They keep saying the have got no money georget
  • Score: 0

11:50pm Wed 9 Jan 13

The obvious says...

Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude

Do you ever travel out of Bradford.

The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities.

Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really?

It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure.

Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is.

The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas.

But thats obvious isnt it?
Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.[/p][/quote]City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?[/p][/quote]Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious. The obvious
  • Score: 0

2:31am Thu 10 Jan 13

still got a pulse says...

Well done Bfd council for highlighting another waste of OUR money on something that is guaranteed to turn investors away by telling them you can only do, whatever pie in the sky venture, that fits with your unworkable/uneconomi
c fantasies. Can I have a refund council?
Well done Bfd council for highlighting another waste of OUR money on something that is guaranteed to turn investors away by telling them you can only do, whatever pie in the sky venture, that fits with your unworkable/uneconomi c fantasies. Can I have a refund council? still got a pulse
  • Score: 0

7:29am Thu 10 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember watching on Calendar a report that said Bradford Councillors had a lunch during meetings costing £17.50 per head.

If this is true, then that is one hell of an incentive to go around creating committees and arranging planning meetings.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember watching on Calendar a report that said Bradford Councillors had a lunch during meetings costing £17.50 per head. If this is true, then that is one hell of an incentive to go around creating committees and arranging planning meetings. WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

8:41am Thu 10 Jan 13

johnhem says...

take more notice of your tv, its in lincoln area, not here, where lunches costing £17.50 were shown on calendar. your itv on freeview would appear to be on the wrong setting.
take more notice of your tv, its in lincoln area, not here, where lunches costing £17.50 were shown on calendar. your itv on freeview would appear to be on the wrong setting. johnhem
  • Score: 0

10:20am Thu 10 Jan 13

modman61 says...

we can't fill the existing properties in the city centre so why build more? Yet another wast of money, come on Braford Council get real!
we can't fill the existing properties in the city centre so why build more? Yet another wast of money, come on Braford Council get real! modman61
  • Score: 0

11:10am Thu 10 Jan 13

sorrow&anger says...

I agree. It's another fantasy, pretty pictures and fine words all paid for out of our taxes.

When will City Hall wake up? After decades of mismanagement they have turned our once proud and prosperous Victorian city into a dump and a national joke. This scheme will fail because nobody wants to live in Bradford, least of all the trendy well-heeled urban young that are supposed to flock to city centre living.
I agree. It's another fantasy, pretty pictures and fine words all paid for out of our taxes. When will City Hall wake up? After decades of mismanagement they have turned our once proud and prosperous Victorian city into a dump and a national joke. This scheme will fail because nobody wants to live in Bradford, least of all the trendy well-heeled urban young that are supposed to flock to city centre living. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 0

11:18am Thu 10 Jan 13

georget says...

Well the planning must have some very comfotable Beds, To dream up these Fantacies, modman61, is absolutey correct, it has been for 30years, lets get things into
perspective 3,500 House when they mean Flats, Thats about On average 10,500 People, 20,000 wheelie bins, Maybe 2,000 Cars, Dustbin Men In short supply now? Their taking up all the Parking Places!!! So nowhere to park, & More double yellow lines Then there is all that sewerage, & the pipes Are blocking now!!!
How many blocks of flats have they demolished Because People Dont Want Them, & Going to Demolish more!!!, So what we got? Overflowing Wheelie Bins, More bursting Sewer pipes Complete with Sh1t Fountains, Bradford Centre Steets Continualy blocked with traffic, & Dusbin wagons, Good thinking Batman, You must be bats Just shows What a lack of Education & tin god attitude can do
Well the planning must have some very comfotable Beds, To dream up these Fantacies, modman61, is absolutey correct, it has been for 30years, lets get things into perspective 3,500 House when they mean Flats, Thats about On average 10,500 People, 20,000 wheelie bins, Maybe 2,000 Cars, Dustbin Men In short supply now? Their taking up all the Parking Places!!! So nowhere to park, & More double yellow lines Then there is all that sewerage, & the pipes Are blocking now!!! How many blocks of flats have they demolished Because People Dont Want Them, & Going to Demolish more!!!, So what we got? Overflowing Wheelie Bins, More bursting Sewer pipes Complete with Sh1t Fountains, Bradford Centre Steets Continualy blocked with traffic, & Dusbin wagons, Good thinking Batman, You must be bats Just shows What a lack of Education & tin god attitude can do georget
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

The obvious wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude

Do you ever travel out of Bradford.

The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities.

Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really?

It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure.

Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is.

The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas.

But thats obvious isnt it?
Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.
No its not

In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away

Isnt that obvious?
[quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.[/p][/quote]City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?[/p][/quote]Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.[/p][/quote]No its not In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away Isnt that obvious? Andy2010
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Thu 10 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude

Do you ever travel out of Bradford.

The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities.

Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really?

It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure.

Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is.

The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas.

But thats obvious isnt it?
Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.
No its not

In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away

Isnt that obvious?
Exactly! You could build luxury apartments in Girlington but who would want to live there?

Until the council and police deal with the lawlessness in this city, anybody picking up and reading this paper isn't going to touch it with a barge pole. We all know that's not going to happen because it would start the riots all over again.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.[/p][/quote]City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?[/p][/quote]Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.[/p][/quote]No its not In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away Isnt that obvious?[/p][/quote]Exactly! You could build luxury apartments in Girlington but who would want to live there? Until the council and police deal with the lawlessness in this city, anybody picking up and reading this paper isn't going to touch it with a barge pole. We all know that's not going to happen because it would start the riots all over again. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Mummys little Sunbeam says...

We're going to the cinema tomorrow, the film we want to see (Quartet) is showing at Cineworld, Bradford. We're going to Leeds to see it. Can you work out why?
We're going to the cinema tomorrow, the film we want to see (Quartet) is showing at Cineworld, Bradford. We're going to Leeds to see it. Can you work out why? Mummys little Sunbeam
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

Mummys little Sunbeam wrote:
We're going to the cinema tomorrow, the film we want to see (Quartet) is showing at Cineworld, Bradford. We're going to Leeds to see it. Can you work out why?
It is on at the Pictureville (Media Museum) and you want to go to a Muliplex, go see it at this proper cinema even if it is in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Mummys little Sunbeam[/bold] wrote: We're going to the cinema tomorrow, the film we want to see (Quartet) is showing at Cineworld, Bradford. We're going to Leeds to see it. Can you work out why?[/p][/quote]It is on at the Pictureville (Media Museum) and you want to go to a Muliplex, go see it at this proper cinema even if it is in Bradford. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Thu 10 Jan 13

The obvious says...

Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote:
City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs.

Not worked out for Leeds

Not worked out for Manchester

Not worked out for Liverpool

Not worked in Sheffield

Not worked in Newcastle

Not worked in Bristol

Not worked in any city outside London!

Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living.

Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude

Do you ever travel out of Bradford.

The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities.

Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really?

It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure.

Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is.

The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas.

But thats obvious isnt it?
Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.
No its not

In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away

Isnt that obvious?
I'll be frank.

Who the heck in their right mind would want to live in a city centre that resembles a dump!

The suburbs look like shanty towns.

The council are a circus.

The police are headless monkeys who cannot deal with the crime.

The people of Bradford are too busy making ends meet rather then sack the waste of space councillors and planners.

They want to turn this city into a 24 hour city....city centre full of drunks,drug addicts,dealers,pimp
s,thieves,depressed low life's.

Take a walk in London at night, take a walk in Leeds at night and you will not feel safe walking through gang territories...and they want to set one up in Bradford.

The last 30 years has seen this great city get truly smashed...now we have idiots at the council with bull pooh airy fairy ideas to make a change....another chance for the current crop of councillors and agencies to skank some money from the dope riddled cranks at city hall.

Jokers. Open a circus
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.[/p][/quote]City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?[/p][/quote]Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.[/p][/quote]No its not In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away Isnt that obvious?[/p][/quote]I'll be frank. Who the heck in their right mind would want to live in a city centre that resembles a dump! The suburbs look like shanty towns. The council are a circus. The police are headless monkeys who cannot deal with the crime. The people of Bradford are too busy making ends meet rather then sack the waste of space councillors and planners. They want to turn this city into a 24 hour city....city centre full of drunks,drug addicts,dealers,pimp s,thieves,depressed low life's. Take a walk in London at night, take a walk in Leeds at night and you will not feel safe walking through gang territories...and they want to set one up in Bradford. The last 30 years has seen this great city get truly smashed...now we have idiots at the council with bull pooh airy fairy ideas to make a change....another chance for the current crop of councillors and agencies to skank some money from the dope riddled cranks at city hall. Jokers. Open a circus The obvious
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Thu 10 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

4:37pm Thu 10 Jan 13

georget says...

Do some of these Comments come from the council staff?
Sounds like we have got many more who live in Cuckoo Land
Wake up Bradfords Nackered, & who has caused it all over England, Wales, Scotland, These Idiotic!!! Governments "DICTATORS"
Bradford is well overpopulated now,
By This Governments Eastern European, Free for all, Imigration
Why not build All these Houses/Flats/Apartme
nts ON Downing Street, & Around Paliament houses, Would they Like It?
Bet they would not give planning permission
But there is none so blind as they that will not see
Do some of these Comments come from the council staff? Sounds like we have got many more who live in Cuckoo Land Wake up Bradfords Nackered, & who has caused it all over England, Wales, Scotland, These Idiotic!!! Governments "DICTATORS" Bradford is well overpopulated now, By This Governments Eastern European, Free for all, Imigration Why not build All these Houses/Flats/Apartme nts ON Downing Street, & Around Paliament houses, Would they Like It? Bet they would not give planning permission But there is none so blind as they that will not see georget
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Andy2010 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth Andy2010
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Thu 10 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

georget wrote:
Do some of these Comments come from the council staff?
Sounds like we have got many more who live in Cuckoo Land
Wake up Bradfords Nackered, & who has caused it all over England, Wales, Scotland, These Idiotic!!! Governments "DICTATORS"
Bradford is well overpopulated now,
By This Governments Eastern European, Free for all, Imigration
Why not build All these Houses/Flats/Apartme

nts ON Downing Street, & Around Paliament houses, Would they Like It?
Bet they would not give planning permission
But there is none so blind as they that will not see
This governments immigration policy? I think you'll find it was the last government who was being free with our borders without a thought for infrastructure, housing, schooling, health services and our much abused benefits system.
[quote][p][bold]georget[/bold] wrote: Do some of these Comments come from the council staff? Sounds like we have got many more who live in Cuckoo Land Wake up Bradfords Nackered, & who has caused it all over England, Wales, Scotland, These Idiotic!!! Governments "DICTATORS" Bradford is well overpopulated now, By This Governments Eastern European, Free for all, Imigration Why not build All these Houses/Flats/Apartme nts ON Downing Street, & Around Paliament houses, Would they Like It? Bet they would not give planning permission But there is none so blind as they that will not see[/p][/quote]This governments immigration policy? I think you'll find it was the last government who was being free with our borders without a thought for infrastructure, housing, schooling, health services and our much abused benefits system. SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

7:03pm Thu 10 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

johnhem wrote:
take more notice of your tv, its in lincoln area, not here, where lunches costing £17.50 were shown on calendar. your itv on freeview would appear to be on the wrong setting.
My apologies, I was only half listening to the TV as I was busy elsewhere.

However, I wonder if there is any mileage in it for councillors to set up this forum, that committee and attend those meetings, claiming expenses and a free lunch each and every time.

If so, the more you create, no matter how much a pipedream it is, the more you can cream off the taxpayer.

With all the daft, unfinished ideas about, it does make you wonder. Councillors are in it for nobody else but themselves.
[quote][p][bold]johnhem[/bold] wrote: take more notice of your tv, its in lincoln area, not here, where lunches costing £17.50 were shown on calendar. your itv on freeview would appear to be on the wrong setting.[/p][/quote]My apologies, I was only half listening to the TV as I was busy elsewhere. However, I wonder if there is any mileage in it for councillors to set up this forum, that committee and attend those meetings, claiming expenses and a free lunch each and every time. If so, the more you create, no matter how much a pipedream it is, the more you can cream off the taxpayer. With all the daft, unfinished ideas about, it does make you wonder. Councillors are in it for nobody else but themselves. WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Thu 10 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them.

Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford..

Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford.

How about (just guesses)

Chapeltown = Girlington
Gipton =Holmewood
Seacroft =Manningham...
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth[/p][/quote]I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them. Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford.. Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford. How about (just guesses) Chapeltown = Girlington Gipton =Holmewood Seacroft =Manningham... WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Thu 10 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them.

Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford..

Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford.

How about (just guesses)

Chapeltown = Girlington
Gipton =Holmewood
Seacroft =Manningham...
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth[/p][/quote]I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them. Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford.. Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford. How about (just guesses) Chapeltown = Girlington Gipton =Holmewood Seacroft =Manningham... WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

7:25pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

WayneRouke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them.

Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford..

Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford.

How about (just guesses)

Chapeltown = Girlington
Gipton =Holmewood
Seacroft =Manningham...
You say city centres no different then quote districts as examples, please can you give me the parts of Leeds City centre that are the same as Bradford City Centre?
I'm not seeing anything bad in Leeds City Centre when I'm there.
[quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth[/p][/quote]I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them. Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford.. Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford. How about (just guesses) Chapeltown = Girlington Gipton =Holmewood Seacroft =Manningham...[/p][/quote]You say city centres no different then quote districts as examples, please can you give me the parts of Leeds City centre that are the same as Bradford City Centre? I'm not seeing anything bad in Leeds City Centre when I'm there. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

7:47pm Thu 10 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

WayneRouke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them.

Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford..

Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford.

How about (just guesses)

Chapeltown = Girlington
Gipton =Holmewood
Seacroft =Manningham...
We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford?

Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter?

Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's.

Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel?

Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc.

I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there?
[quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth[/p][/quote]I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them. Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford.. Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford. How about (just guesses) Chapeltown = Girlington Gipton =Holmewood Seacroft =Manningham...[/p][/quote]We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford? Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter? Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's. Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel? Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc. I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there? SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

7:49pm Thu 10 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL!
I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

8:01pm Thu 10 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
WayneRouke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them.

Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford..

Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford.

How about (just guesses)

Chapeltown = Girlington
Gipton =Holmewood
Seacroft =Manningham...
We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford?

Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter?

Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's.

Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel?

Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc.

I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there?
Agree.. But for many, many years all areas surrounding Leeds (wakefield, Huddersfield, Bradford etc) were ALWAYS the poorer sister to Leeds.

I lived in Leeds for 15 years and ALL investment money was pumped into Leeds, with it being claimed as Englands second capital. The surrounding areas did without or had to pick the scraps.

Only recently has money started to divert to other areas. As such, it will take time for other areas to catch up to Leeds. However, I am afraid Bradford will never catch up.

When I lived in Leeds, coming into Bradford. Now I (regretfully) live in Bradford and hate it, I agree, its a sh1thole, and I feel under threat wherever I go in what was once a great city.

I very much agree the council has let Bradford go to rack and ruin, with money being spent on daft or expensive ideas.

But then Leeds also had Jimmy Saville.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth[/p][/quote]I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them. Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford.. Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford. How about (just guesses) Chapeltown = Girlington Gipton =Holmewood Seacroft =Manningham...[/p][/quote]We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford? Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter? Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's. Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel? Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc. I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there?[/p][/quote]Agree.. But for many, many years all areas surrounding Leeds (wakefield, Huddersfield, Bradford etc) were ALWAYS the poorer sister to Leeds. I lived in Leeds for 15 years and ALL investment money was pumped into Leeds, with it being claimed as Englands second capital. The surrounding areas did without or had to pick the scraps. Only recently has money started to divert to other areas. As such, it will take time for other areas to catch up to Leeds. However, I am afraid Bradford will never catch up. When I lived in Leeds, coming into Bradford. Now I (regretfully) live in Bradford and hate it, I agree, its a sh1thole, and I feel under threat wherever I go in what was once a great city. I very much agree the council has let Bradford go to rack and ruin, with money being spent on daft or expensive ideas. But then Leeds also had Jimmy Saville. WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

8:03pm Thu 10 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL!
Well, I dont know what to compare them to, LOL

And I invited people to make their own comparisons, just for fun...
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL![/p][/quote]Well, I dont know what to compare them to, LOL And I invited people to make their own comparisons, just for fun... WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Thu 10 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

WayneRouke wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
WayneRouke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them.

Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford..

Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford.

How about (just guesses)

Chapeltown = Girlington
Gipton =Holmewood
Seacroft =Manningham...
We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford?

Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter?

Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's.

Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel?

Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc.

I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there?
Agree.. But for many, many years all areas surrounding Leeds (wakefield, Huddersfield, Bradford etc) were ALWAYS the poorer sister to Leeds.

I lived in Leeds for 15 years and ALL investment money was pumped into Leeds, with it being claimed as Englands second capital. The surrounding areas did without or had to pick the scraps.

Only recently has money started to divert to other areas. As such, it will take time for other areas to catch up to Leeds. However, I am afraid Bradford will never catch up.

When I lived in Leeds, coming into Bradford. Now I (regretfully) live in Bradford and hate it, I agree, its a sh1thole, and I feel under threat wherever I go in what was once a great city.

I very much agree the council has let Bradford go to rack and ruin, with money being spent on daft or expensive ideas.

But then Leeds also had Jimmy Saville.
It is sad.

The whole external opinion of Bradford needs to change before things can start getting better. Otherwise how can we expect to attract retailers, businesses and home buyers here?

Hahaha. I've had The Obvious hitting me with the Jimmy Savile thing the last couple of days!! How about the Yorkshire Ripper and the Crossbow Cannibal? Let's not mention those fellas haha!
[quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth[/p][/quote]I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them. Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford.. Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford. How about (just guesses) Chapeltown = Girlington Gipton =Holmewood Seacroft =Manningham...[/p][/quote]We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford? Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter? Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's. Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel? Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc. I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there?[/p][/quote]Agree.. But for many, many years all areas surrounding Leeds (wakefield, Huddersfield, Bradford etc) were ALWAYS the poorer sister to Leeds. I lived in Leeds for 15 years and ALL investment money was pumped into Leeds, with it being claimed as Englands second capital. The surrounding areas did without or had to pick the scraps. Only recently has money started to divert to other areas. As such, it will take time for other areas to catch up to Leeds. However, I am afraid Bradford will never catch up. When I lived in Leeds, coming into Bradford. Now I (regretfully) live in Bradford and hate it, I agree, its a sh1thole, and I feel under threat wherever I go in what was once a great city. I very much agree the council has let Bradford go to rack and ruin, with money being spent on daft or expensive ideas. But then Leeds also had Jimmy Saville.[/p][/quote]It is sad. The whole external opinion of Bradford needs to change before things can start getting better. Otherwise how can we expect to attract retailers, businesses and home buyers here? Hahaha. I've had The Obvious hitting me with the Jimmy Savile thing the last couple of days!! How about the Yorkshire Ripper and the Crossbow Cannibal? Let's not mention those fellas haha! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

8:50pm Thu 10 Jan 13

SinnerSaint says...

The Obvious said that I was "born from a monkey that lived in Jimmy Savile's butt". Hahahaha! How we all laughed!!
The Obvious said that I was "born from a monkey that lived in Jimmy Savile's butt". Hahahaha! How we all laughed!! SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

9:43pm Thu 10 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Joedavid wrote:
pockman wrote: Getting people into the City centre is a vital step towards regeneration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this particular "vision". Doing nothing is not an option. Of course, there are a multitude of problems to be overcome but many Cities have shown that areas can be improved by this method. Bradford needs people with vision and it is certain that constant negativity will only drag down the City further. So, I hope that these plans (properly thought out and costed) come to fruition - Bradford has two choices : which way is the City to go - up or down ? Why not strive for "up" ?
Yes lets go UP, but isn't the present DOWN. I'll give 3 examples there will be more. 10 years waiting for Westfield shopping centre. 10 years messing about the Odeon/New Victoria. Half of an old police station knocked down. As I sais all efforts needed now to finish these projects will mean UP.
half the old police station knocked down"

And the gable faced with tacky Sterling board to face a £30 million City park.

With all the scum daily leaving with their community service orders from the Magistrates to play in the Park
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pockman[/bold] wrote: Getting people into the City centre is a vital step towards regeneration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this particular "vision". Doing nothing is not an option. Of course, there are a multitude of problems to be overcome but many Cities have shown that areas can be improved by this method. Bradford needs people with vision and it is certain that constant negativity will only drag down the City further. So, I hope that these plans (properly thought out and costed) come to fruition - Bradford has two choices : which way is the City to go - up or down ? Why not strive for "up" ?[/p][/quote]Yes lets go UP, but isn't the present DOWN. I'll give 3 examples there will be more. 10 years waiting for Westfield shopping centre. 10 years messing about the Odeon/New Victoria. Half of an old police station knocked down. As I sais all efforts needed now to finish these projects will mean UP.[/p][/quote]half the old police station knocked down" And the gable faced with tacky Sterling board to face a £30 million City park. With all the scum daily leaving with their community service orders from the Magistrates to play in the Park alfucham
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Thu 10 Jan 13

alfucham says...

Parz wrote:
Joedavid wrote: AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.
If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be.
You are clueless if you think anyone would set up and occupy it.

Much more chance as a music venue.

Bands no longer sell records and all have to tour to make money.

O2 offered to take it years ago but got NO encouragement from Greenwood and mob.

They thought it was already cut and dry in cohoot with the T & A and other corrupt associates who cartelled to take the spoils.

Stopped in their tracks.

For now.

Watch for the nonsense that the West Yorkshire Pension Fund for public employees (or idiots to a man) need a shiny new new £50 million building to waste more taxpayers money.

Ashamed to be a Bradfordian right now with these idiots at the helm.

Who in hell is Andrew Fekking Marshall?

Not related to that other clown Maud Marshall ny any chance who pushed the boat out and lied about the condition of the Odeon.Of her own and collabarators making as they ripped out rainwater goods to try and ensure its condemnation.

Disgusting Sewar Rats the lot of them
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: AREA 5: THE BOWL BUSINESS AND LEISURE DISTRICT • The Odeon would become grade A offices. * Very sad day the Council have made their minds up against Restoration and the Music Venue.[/p][/quote]If this what needs to be then so be it. As much as I would miss the Odeon and hope it survives, I would rather have a functional office that could bring some business and money into the City than a decrepid and disused building (which is what it is now), regardless of what it used to be.[/p][/quote]You are clueless if you think anyone would set up and occupy it. Much more chance as a music venue. Bands no longer sell records and all have to tour to make money. O2 offered to take it years ago but got NO encouragement from Greenwood and mob. They thought it was already cut and dry in cohoot with the T & A and other corrupt associates who cartelled to take the spoils. Stopped in their tracks. For now. Watch for the nonsense that the West Yorkshire Pension Fund for public employees (or idiots to a man) need a shiny new new £50 million building to waste more taxpayers money. Ashamed to be a Bradfordian right now with these idiots at the helm. Who in hell is Andrew Fekking Marshall? Not related to that other clown Maud Marshall ny any chance who pushed the boat out and lied about the condition of the Odeon.Of her own and collabarators making as they ripped out rainwater goods to try and ensure its condemnation. Disgusting Sewar Rats the lot of them alfucham
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Thu 10 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
WayneRouke wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
WayneRouke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford.

Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.
Exactly

I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience.

ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi.

I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth
I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them.

Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford..

Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford.

How about (just guesses)

Chapeltown = Girlington
Gipton =Holmewood
Seacroft =Manningham...
We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford?

Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter?

Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's.

Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel?

Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc.

I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there?
Agree.. But for many, many years all areas surrounding Leeds (wakefield, Huddersfield, Bradford etc) were ALWAYS the poorer sister to Leeds.

I lived in Leeds for 15 years and ALL investment money was pumped into Leeds, with it being claimed as Englands second capital. The surrounding areas did without or had to pick the scraps.

Only recently has money started to divert to other areas. As such, it will take time for other areas to catch up to Leeds. However, I am afraid Bradford will never catch up.

When I lived in Leeds, coming into Bradford. Now I (regretfully) live in Bradford and hate it, I agree, its a sh1thole, and I feel under threat wherever I go in what was once a great city.

I very much agree the council has let Bradford go to rack and ruin, with money being spent on daft or expensive ideas.

But then Leeds also had Jimmy Saville.
It is sad.

The whole external opinion of Bradford needs to change before things can start getting better. Otherwise how can we expect to attract retailers, businesses and home buyers here?

Hahaha. I've had The Obvious hitting me with the Jimmy Savile thing the last couple of days!! How about the Yorkshire Ripper and the Crossbow Cannibal? Let's not mention those fellas haha!
Yup, but with Saville, it was a case of quantity over quality, LOL. The other two had Style.. (TIC)

And I am only saying it in jest. I am not trolling like a lot of people seem to enjoy doing on here.

My Dad taught me "being polite costs nothing. It costs nothing to say please and nothing to say thankyou".. So why do some people just grunt when wanting to buy something..
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneRouke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I feel perfectly safe in Leeds City Centre and in London. Obviously if I went to Chapeltown or Bethnall Green things would be a bit different but these areas have similarities to inner city Bradford. Bradford city centre bears no resemblance to London or Leeds, you are just talking sh1te again.[/p][/quote]Exactly I went into Leeds just before Christmas. Took the afternoon off and went about tea time. Did a bit of shopping (in nice shops), had a wander around, went for a nice meal, more shopping and then a couple of drinks and a taxi home. Never once did I feel like I needed to watch my bags or keep a close eye on my wifes bag. Even though got busy later on with people going out to enjoy themselves it was all good natured and there were police and street angels everywhere to help anyone out. Even when I went to get a taxi at the station it was well organised and conducted in a safe environment by taxi marshalls and the transport police. All in all a pleasureable experience. ON the other hand if had have gone to Bradford would have been insulted by various nationalities, struggled to find anywhere to shop other than a pound shop and then whilst inhaling the downwind smell of weed and being asked for any spare change taken by life into my own hand by trying to get a taxi. I'am obviously taking the mick but its not far from the truth[/p][/quote]I do think some people see other city centres through Rose Tinted spectacles. Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, London, Liverpool etc all have ghetto and no go areas, and bad parts of the centres. It just seems that Bradford has a dispropoprtionate amount of them. Bradford is an awful place, destroyed over the years, but in some areas no worse than other cities. Chapeltown, Gipton and Seacroft in Leeds are the equivalents of areas of Bradford.. Would be interesting to see what other members compare the above three to in Bradford. How about (just guesses) Chapeltown = Girlington Gipton =Holmewood Seacroft =Manningham...[/p][/quote]We're talking about city centres here though. Where is the equivalent of Harvey Nichols in Bradford? Where is the equivalent of The Victoria Quarter? Where is the equivalent of restaurants like Bibi's and Anthony's. Where is the equivalent of The Queens Hotel? Where is the equivalent of Clarence Dock? A lot of nice city living there as well as bars, restaurants, casino etc. I could go on but there's really no comparison at all, is there?[/p][/quote]Agree.. But for many, many years all areas surrounding Leeds (wakefield, Huddersfield, Bradford etc) were ALWAYS the poorer sister to Leeds. I lived in Leeds for 15 years and ALL investment money was pumped into Leeds, with it being claimed as Englands second capital. The surrounding areas did without or had to pick the scraps. Only recently has money started to divert to other areas. As such, it will take time for other areas to catch up to Leeds. However, I am afraid Bradford will never catch up. When I lived in Leeds, coming into Bradford. Now I (regretfully) live in Bradford and hate it, I agree, its a sh1thole, and I feel under threat wherever I go in what was once a great city. I very much agree the council has let Bradford go to rack and ruin, with money being spent on daft or expensive ideas. But then Leeds also had Jimmy Saville.[/p][/quote]It is sad. The whole external opinion of Bradford needs to change before things can start getting better. Otherwise how can we expect to attract retailers, businesses and home buyers here? Hahaha. I've had The Obvious hitting me with the Jimmy Savile thing the last couple of days!! How about the Yorkshire Ripper and the Crossbow Cannibal? Let's not mention those fellas haha![/p][/quote]Yup, but with Saville, it was a case of quantity over quality, LOL. The other two had Style.. (TIC) And I am only saying it in jest. I am not trolling like a lot of people seem to enjoy doing on here. My Dad taught me "being polite costs nothing. It costs nothing to say please and nothing to say thankyou".. So why do some people just grunt when wanting to buy something.. WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

10:12pm Thu 10 Jan 13

alfucham says...

The obvious wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?
Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.
No its not In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away Isnt that obvious?
I'll be frank. Who the heck in their right mind would want to live in a city centre that resembles a dump! The suburbs look like shanty towns. The council are a circus. The police are headless monkeys who cannot deal with the crime. The people of Bradford are too busy making ends meet rather then sack the waste of space councillors and planners. They want to turn this city into a 24 hour city....city centre full of drunks,drug addicts,dealers,pimp s,thieves,depressed low life's. Take a walk in London at night, take a walk in Leeds at night and you will not feel safe walking through gang territories...and they want to set one up in Bradford. The last 30 years has seen this great city get truly smashed...now we have idiots at the council with bull pooh airy fairy ideas to make a change....another chance for the current crop of councillors and agencies to skank some money from the dope riddled cranks at city hall. Jokers. Open a circus
on reading that obvious I truly thought when did I write that.

You must be my alter ego along with about 99.9 per cent of the others who share our opinions in similar vein.
The 0.1 per cent other part man must be Andrew Marshall.

With the brain of a dried pea and ego bigger than Georgeous George.
Now where is he when all this pompous bull is spouted.

Viva la Palestine.Driving"t Bus.

While his electorate weep daily
[quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.[/p][/quote]City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?[/p][/quote]Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.[/p][/quote]No its not In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away Isnt that obvious?[/p][/quote]I'll be frank. Who the heck in their right mind would want to live in a city centre that resembles a dump! The suburbs look like shanty towns. The council are a circus. The police are headless monkeys who cannot deal with the crime. The people of Bradford are too busy making ends meet rather then sack the waste of space councillors and planners. They want to turn this city into a 24 hour city....city centre full of drunks,drug addicts,dealers,pimp s,thieves,depressed low life's. Take a walk in London at night, take a walk in Leeds at night and you will not feel safe walking through gang territories...and they want to set one up in Bradford. The last 30 years has seen this great city get truly smashed...now we have idiots at the council with bull pooh airy fairy ideas to make a change....another chance for the current crop of councillors and agencies to skank some money from the dope riddled cranks at city hall. Jokers. Open a circus[/p][/quote]on reading that obvious I truly thought when did I write that. You must be my alter ego along with about 99.9 per cent of the others who share our opinions in similar vein. The 0.1 per cent other part man must be Andrew Marshall. With the brain of a dried pea and ego bigger than Georgeous George. Now where is he when all this pompous bull is spouted. Viva la Palestine.Driving"t Bus. While his electorate weep daily alfucham
  • Score: 0

11:57pm Thu 10 Jan 13

The obvious says...

alfucham wrote:
The obvious wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
The obvious wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
The obvious wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.
In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?
To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.
City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?
Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.
No its not In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away Isnt that obvious?
I'll be frank. Who the heck in their right mind would want to live in a city centre that resembles a dump! The suburbs look like shanty towns. The council are a circus. The police are headless monkeys who cannot deal with the crime. The people of Bradford are too busy making ends meet rather then sack the waste of space councillors and planners. They want to turn this city into a 24 hour city....city centre full of drunks,drug addicts,dealers,pimp s,thieves,depressed low life's. Take a walk in London at night, take a walk in Leeds at night and you will not feel safe walking through gang territories...and they want to set one up in Bradford. The last 30 years has seen this great city get truly smashed...now we have idiots at the council with bull pooh airy fairy ideas to make a change....another chance for the current crop of councillors and agencies to skank some money from the dope riddled cranks at city hall. Jokers. Open a circus
on reading that obvious I truly thought when did I write that.

You must be my alter ego along with about 99.9 per cent of the others who share our opinions in similar vein.
The 0.1 per cent other part man must be Andrew Marshall.

With the brain of a dried pea and ego bigger than Georgeous George.
Now where is he when all this pompous bull is spouted.

Viva la Palestine.Driving"t Bus.

While his electorate weep daily
Some of the commenters on here need to go to spec savers.

Bradford and its suburbs including keighley are in deep sh!te with various issues....all the ingredients for rioting and mass criminal behaviour.

The politics need to be put to one side and this city fixed....effin hole after hole and that's just the politicians
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: City centre living...Hmmm not going to work out in braddrs. Not worked out for Leeds Not worked out for Manchester Not worked out for Liverpool Not worked in Sheffield Not worked in Newcastle Not worked in Bristol Not worked in any city outside London! Wake up you people of Bradford and stop your local authority wasting your money even thinking about this absolutely stupid idea of city centre living. Councillors and dumb employees who think of this bull pooh....eff off please and stop wasting our money...feck off now and save face.[/p][/quote]In what way hasn't it worked in those cities? How does it not work in Bradford now?[/p][/quote]To Yorkshire dude Do you ever travel out of Bradford. The city centres and the city living has failed in those cities because the apartments are empty. The shops are empty. Also for it to succeed you need major population such as a couple of million and you need big business to service the workers or else they will also move out. Seen the hundreds of empty apartments in Leeds, have a look at the hundreds that are empty in the other cities. Yorkshiredude there is nothing Yorkshire about you...you cannot even think,see owt for yourself....you should call yourself the thick Yorkshire dude lol.[/p][/quote]City Centre living has failed in Leeds / Manchester? Has it really? It hasnt at all. Most landlords in Leeds for example have a 97% occupancy rate. In Bradford however this would drop dramtically as the two cities cant be compared on business , shopping or leisure. Mind you its somewhere to dump all the Eastern Europeans when they arrive here therefore making the town centre even more menacing than it is. The people running Bradford really havent a clue. rather than fancy planning and "blue sky" thinking they would be better of DOING things and actually improving the city centre and surrounding areas. But thats obvious isnt it?[/p][/quote]Ok andy2010. Would it surprise you that thousands of apartments and dwellings including commercial buildings are laying around empty up and down the country? If it does surprise you, you need to ask the question where are they ? They are in all the cities apart from the over populated area known as London. Wake up, smell the coffee and get a reality check as its rather obvious.[/p][/quote]No its not In areas that offer something to the tenants the properties are flying off the shelves but in run down areas with no jobs, shopping and entertainment (Bradford) they cant give them away Isnt that obvious?[/p][/quote]I'll be frank. Who the heck in their right mind would want to live in a city centre that resembles a dump! The suburbs look like shanty towns. The council are a circus. The police are headless monkeys who cannot deal with the crime. The people of Bradford are too busy making ends meet rather then sack the waste of space councillors and planners. They want to turn this city into a 24 hour city....city centre full of drunks,drug addicts,dealers,pimp s,thieves,depressed low life's. Take a walk in London at night, take a walk in Leeds at night and you will not feel safe walking through gang territories...and they want to set one up in Bradford. The last 30 years has seen this great city get truly smashed...now we have idiots at the council with bull pooh airy fairy ideas to make a change....another chance for the current crop of councillors and agencies to skank some money from the dope riddled cranks at city hall. Jokers. Open a circus[/p][/quote]on reading that obvious I truly thought when did I write that. You must be my alter ego along with about 99.9 per cent of the others who share our opinions in similar vein. The 0.1 per cent other part man must be Andrew Marshall. With the brain of a dried pea and ego bigger than Georgeous George. Now where is he when all this pompous bull is spouted. Viva la Palestine.Driving"t Bus. While his electorate weep daily[/p][/quote]Some of the commenters on here need to go to spec savers. Bradford and its suburbs including keighley are in deep sh!te with various issues....all the ingredients for rioting and mass criminal behaviour. The politics need to be put to one side and this city fixed....effin hole after hole and that's just the politicians The obvious
  • Score: 0

1:06am Fri 11 Jan 13

GlobalSingh says...

New Housing is not the answer! Especially in Bradford! where what we have is run down and anything new also becomes run down very quickly...We actually need less and less people moving to Bradford via the 'International marriage' ticket and linked corruption,when there are so many unemployed and poverty stricken Citizens of Bradford already at breaking point, and the municipal and National Budgets are to be cut further!
New Housing is not the answer! Especially in Bradford! where what we have is run down and anything new also becomes run down very quickly...We actually need less and less people moving to Bradford via the 'International marriage' ticket and linked corruption,when there are so many unemployed and poverty stricken Citizens of Bradford already at breaking point, and the municipal and National Budgets are to be cut further! GlobalSingh
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Fri 11 Jan 13

twinkle1965 says...

Given the choice of either living in the center of Bradford or living on the out skirts, I no which I would pick! Why dont they build cheaper houses but give them nice gardens?? All houses that are built in our city have no gardens, there are no nice play areas or parks for our children. So if they have to build on the green land around the city, why dont they give us nice size gardens and parks and play areas ?? make sense to me !
Given the choice of either living in the center of Bradford or living on the out skirts, I no which I would pick! Why dont they build cheaper houses but give them nice gardens?? All houses that are built in our city have no gardens, there are no nice play areas or parks for our children. So if they have to build on the green land around the city, why dont they give us nice size gardens and parks and play areas ?? make sense to me ! twinkle1965
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL!
I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL![/p][/quote]I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft! Mr Bradford
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Sat 12 Jan 13

The obvious says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL!
I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft!
Seacroft is a dump...

Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers.

The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services.

Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates.

Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL![/p][/quote]I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft![/p][/quote]Seacroft is a dump... Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers. The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services. Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates. Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste The obvious
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

The obvious wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL!
I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft!
Seacroft is a dump...

Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers.

The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services.

Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates.

Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste
We of course only see Leeds City Centre so no idea on the outskirts, but why then is Leeds City centre and Bradford City centre like chalk and cheese in difference?
[quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL![/p][/quote]I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft![/p][/quote]Seacroft is a dump... Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers. The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services. Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates. Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste[/p][/quote]We of course only see Leeds City Centre so no idea on the outskirts, but why then is Leeds City centre and Bradford City centre like chalk and cheese in difference? Joedavid
  • Score: 0

6:08pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

Joedavid wrote:
The obvious wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL!
I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft!
Seacroft is a dump...

Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers.

The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services.

Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates.

Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste
We of course only see Leeds City Centre so no idea on the outskirts, but why then is Leeds City centre and Bradford City centre like chalk and cheese in difference?
Parts of Leeds city centre is a dump too, i.e Kirkgate, and Holbeck is just a stones throw away.
You should expect Leeds to be "better" because it's one of the UK's Core cities.
Leeds is a poor mans Manchester in my opinion.
Why do people never compare Bradford to Wakefield? It's about the same distance away.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL![/p][/quote]I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft![/p][/quote]Seacroft is a dump... Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers. The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services. Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates. Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste[/p][/quote]We of course only see Leeds City Centre so no idea on the outskirts, but why then is Leeds City centre and Bradford City centre like chalk and cheese in difference?[/p][/quote]Parts of Leeds city centre is a dump too, i.e Kirkgate, and Holbeck is just a stones throw away. You should expect Leeds to be "better" because it's one of the UK's Core cities. Leeds is a poor mans Manchester in my opinion. Why do people never compare Bradford to Wakefield? It's about the same distance away. Mr Bradford
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Sat 12 Jan 13

collos25 says...

You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.
You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops. collos25
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

collos25 wrote:
You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.
Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something?
Since when is a city all about shops anyway?
The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it.
In my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.[/p][/quote]Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something? Since when is a city all about shops anyway? The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it. In my opinion. Mr Bradford
  • Score: 0

9:15pm Sat 12 Jan 13

georget says...

A town Centre Is for shopping, NOT
Blocks of Flats, "Simple"
Someone Has Already Said, Losers In Tower Blocks? In Leeds!!
But they will be Ok In Bradford?
Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something? NO But There is no comparison See how Many Shoppers there are in Leeds, Then Look At Bradford
Bradford Is A Total Sh1thole For A Six Mile Radius Of The Town Hall
but Dont Be alarmed It will never happen 3.500 Homes, Just Enjoy The Big Hole , & The £30k Pond



Bradford Civilised? Where Oh Where Can That Be,
A town Centre Is for shopping, NOT Blocks of Flats, "Simple" Someone Has Already Said, Losers In Tower Blocks? In Leeds!! But they will be Ok In Bradford? Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something? NO But There is no comparison See how Many Shoppers there are in Leeds, Then Look At Bradford Bradford Is A Total Sh1thole For A Six Mile Radius Of The Town Hall but Dont Be alarmed It will never happen 3.500 Homes, Just Enjoy The Big Hole , & The £30k Pond Bradford Civilised? Where Oh Where Can That Be, georget
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Sat 12 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

twinkle1965 wrote:
Given the choice of either living in the center of Bradford or living on the out skirts, I no which I would pick! Why dont they build cheaper houses but give them nice gardens?? All houses that are built in our city have no gardens, there are no nice play areas or parks for our children. So if they have to build on the green land around the city, why dont they give us nice size gardens and parks and play areas ?? make sense to me !
Agreed that there is nothing nicer than your own garden, and a local play park for the little ones to play. But planners and builders see a garden space as wasted, because another (sellable)building could be put there. Same with Green spaces for play. Pack em in and maximise profit. So what if it turns it into a ghetto, (a developers view, not mine)

There are good reasons for this attitude:

Nice green spaces and play areas are rapidly taken over by horse owners, drug dealers and intimidating gangs and as such no decent parent would allow their child to go to for a little innocent play. And dont forget the Jimmy Savilles of this world who target such places.

A lot of private gardens in Bradford are well looked after and maintained (notwithstanding theft and vandalism by mindless neanderthals). But these are marred by those putting horses on theirs, others who turn them in to scrap yards and various other forms of abuse.

I have a drive and a back and front garden, all looked after and tended by my wife and myself. And all walled off and protected by barbed wire and everything alarmed. Only in Bradford am I this paranoid.
[quote][p][bold]twinkle1965[/bold] wrote: Given the choice of either living in the center of Bradford or living on the out skirts, I no which I would pick! Why dont they build cheaper houses but give them nice gardens?? All houses that are built in our city have no gardens, there are no nice play areas or parks for our children. So if they have to build on the green land around the city, why dont they give us nice size gardens and parks and play areas ?? make sense to me ![/p][/quote]Agreed that there is nothing nicer than your own garden, and a local play park for the little ones to play. But planners and builders see a garden space as wasted, because another (sellable)building could be put there. Same with Green spaces for play. Pack em in and maximise profit. So what if it turns it into a ghetto, (a developers view, not mine) There are good reasons for this attitude: Nice green spaces and play areas are rapidly taken over by horse owners, drug dealers and intimidating gangs and as such no decent parent would allow their child to go to for a little innocent play. And dont forget the Jimmy Savilles of this world who target such places. A lot of private gardens in Bradford are well looked after and maintained (notwithstanding theft and vandalism by mindless neanderthals). But these are marred by those putting horses on theirs, others who turn them in to scrap yards and various other forms of abuse. I have a drive and a back and front garden, all looked after and tended by my wife and myself. And all walled off and protected by barbed wire and everything alarmed. Only in Bradford am I this paranoid. WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

10:56pm Sat 12 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

Joedavid wrote:
The obvious wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL!
I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft!
Seacroft is a dump...

Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers.

The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services.

Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates.

Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste
We of course only see Leeds City Centre so no idea on the outskirts, but why then is Leeds City centre and Bradford City centre like chalk and cheese in difference?
Bradford and Leeds centres are so different because of money. When I lived in Leeds, every grant available went to Leeds, and all the surrounding sattelite cities and towns had to do without. The emphasis and priority was Leeds, "Englands second capital and second largest city "(not my words).

Consequently, all surrounding Leeds deteriorated, quickly. But there are some terrible areas to Leeds Chapeltown, Gipton, Seacroft, Headingley (some bits), Meanwood (some bits), Harehills etc. The further out you go from the centre, maintaining a LS postcode, the better you seem to be. This is how it appeared to me when I lived there, I doubt much has changed apart from the city centre, which I no longer recognise.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure the residents of Seacroft would be too pleased to be compared to those of Manningham! LOL![/p][/quote]I'm not sure the residents of Manningham would be too pleased to be compared to those of Seacroft![/p][/quote]Seacroft is a dump... Some of the estates in Leeds can only be compared to eastern European/ old soviet block areas...grey,crime riddled and full of losers. The riots and public disorder occurred in Bradford years ago. Smaller riots and large scale gangs have made some parts of Leeds no go areas for the police and emergency services. Just ask the Leeds police,fire and ambulance services and you will soon think Bradford is considerably more civilised unlike the losers that live in Leeds tower blocks and estates. Atleast in Bradford these estates are spread out and slowly being modernised...Leeds is a waste[/p][/quote]We of course only see Leeds City Centre so no idea on the outskirts, but why then is Leeds City centre and Bradford City centre like chalk and cheese in difference?[/p][/quote]Bradford and Leeds centres are so different because of money. When I lived in Leeds, every grant available went to Leeds, and all the surrounding sattelite cities and towns had to do without. The emphasis and priority was Leeds, "Englands second capital and second largest city "(not my words). Consequently, all surrounding Leeds deteriorated, quickly. But there are some terrible areas to Leeds Chapeltown, Gipton, Seacroft, Headingley (some bits), Meanwood (some bits), Harehills etc. The further out you go from the centre, maintaining a LS postcode, the better you seem to be. This is how it appeared to me when I lived there, I doubt much has changed apart from the city centre, which I no longer recognise. WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

11:05pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Commonsensefirst says...

A high speed business rail link to London arriving there at 8:30am would make this project successful. There is definitely retail potential in Bradford, but it requires nurturing.
A high speed business rail link to London arriving there at 8:30am would make this project successful. There is definitely retail potential in Bradford, but it requires nurturing. Commonsensefirst
  • Score: 0

9:41am Sun 13 Jan 13

WayneRouke says...

Commonsensefirst wrote:
A high speed business rail link to London arriving there at 8:30am would make this project successful. There is definitely retail potential in Bradford, but it requires nurturing.
Great idea.

Subsidised of course and with complimentary horse boxes. Revolving doors so people can jump on at anytime without paying in to the system.

And it has to have the ability to switch tracks so it can cut up other trains. Also it wouldnt even think of stopping at crossings, whether it had to or not.

Also comes with costly mirror pool with fountain whose valves dont work.

No guard, no driver, no security and no indication anyone is in control.

1 coach per 'type of group' to maintain segregation.

Tannoy system so everyone can hear the conversation shouted across the carriage between two people about their latest sexual exploit and what they are doing that night, complete with foul language.

Automatic system to translate every conversation into every language, so everyone can understand what everyone else is saying.

And of course, 1 carriage offering payday loans, 15 minute cash, cash converters etc.

Would feel like a home from home...
[quote][p][bold]Commonsensefirst[/bold] wrote: A high speed business rail link to London arriving there at 8:30am would make this project successful. There is definitely retail potential in Bradford, but it requires nurturing.[/p][/quote]Great idea. Subsidised of course and with complimentary horse boxes. Revolving doors so people can jump on at anytime without paying in to the system. And it has to have the ability to switch tracks so it can cut up other trains. Also it wouldnt even think of stopping at crossings, whether it had to or not. Also comes with costly mirror pool with fountain whose valves dont work. No guard, no driver, no security and no indication anyone is in control. 1 coach per 'type of group' to maintain segregation. Tannoy system so everyone can hear the conversation shouted across the carriage between two people about their latest sexual exploit and what they are doing that night, complete with foul language. Automatic system to translate every conversation into every language, so everyone can understand what everyone else is saying. And of course, 1 carriage offering payday loans, 15 minute cash, cash converters etc. Would feel like a home from home... WayneRouke
  • Score: 0

9:52am Sun 13 Jan 13

collos25 says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.
Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something?
Since when is a city all about shops anyway?
The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it.
In my opinion.
Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.[/p][/quote]Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something? Since when is a city all about shops anyway? The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it. In my opinion.[/p][/quote]Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little. collos25
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Joedavid says...

"...including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it ."
That is the first I have read on that, please can you enlighten us?
"...including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it ." That is the first I have read on that, please can you enlighten us? Joedavid
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Sun 13 Jan 13

The obvious says...

collos25 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.
Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something?
Since when is a city all about shops anyway?
The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it.
In my opinion.
Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little.
Collos25 u need to go to specsavers alright. You need to take a walk around wakey with your eyes and ears open.

Wakefield is a dump.
The new shopping centre is usually empty unless a clearance sale is being promoted.
The town itself is a dump. Many empty buildings, loads of empty shops.
Take a walk down the main street along the McDonald's and you will see druggies,theives, a fair spread of dodgy looking eastern Europeans, loud mouth drunks and dozens of singles mums all hanging around the benches and the shopping centres...as they are too depressed to go home to their scruffy run down council flats.

One pound shops, bookies, gambling dens galore is Wakefield...you think this is acceptable?

All the towns and cities which do not get much investment are starting to look like wakey...

Leeds has some disgusting areas.
Yes it is promoted as a large city with its strategic location, however parts of the town centre are disgusting and dirty.
Even the DVLA building has left the centre, many businesses are leaving the city as parking is a con job and break ins and damage to cars is an everyday occurrence in the city.

Yes there are some decent shops but there is also a fair portion of crappy shops and disgusting shopping centres which in braddrs would be called car boots but in Leeds they are shopping centres.

Leeds is for losers who cannot afford to travel to Manchester or London. Leeds is full of people who look down at Bradford. Bradford has been built without stealing funding from other towns....Leeds with its enterprise zone and it's modernisation programme of the Victorian quarter has had serious funding which if spent on other towns would have left Leeds like wakey....full of zombified sheeple thinking they have a lovely town.
Jokers

Bitter pill to swallow
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.[/p][/quote]Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something? Since when is a city all about shops anyway? The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it. In my opinion.[/p][/quote]Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little.[/p][/quote]Collos25 u need to go to specsavers alright. You need to take a walk around wakey with your eyes and ears open. Wakefield is a dump. The new shopping centre is usually empty unless a clearance sale is being promoted. The town itself is a dump. Many empty buildings, loads of empty shops. Take a walk down the main street along the McDonald's and you will see druggies,theives, a fair spread of dodgy looking eastern Europeans, loud mouth drunks and dozens of singles mums all hanging around the benches and the shopping centres...as they are too depressed to go home to their scruffy run down council flats. One pound shops, bookies, gambling dens galore is Wakefield...you think this is acceptable? All the towns and cities which do not get much investment are starting to look like wakey... Leeds has some disgusting areas. Yes it is promoted as a large city with its strategic location, however parts of the town centre are disgusting and dirty. Even the DVLA building has left the centre, many businesses are leaving the city as parking is a con job and break ins and damage to cars is an everyday occurrence in the city. Yes there are some decent shops but there is also a fair portion of crappy shops and disgusting shopping centres which in braddrs would be called car boots but in Leeds they are shopping centres. Leeds is for losers who cannot afford to travel to Manchester or London. Leeds is full of people who look down at Bradford. Bradford has been built without stealing funding from other towns....Leeds with its enterprise zone and it's modernisation programme of the Victorian quarter has had serious funding which if spent on other towns would have left Leeds like wakey....full of zombified sheeple thinking they have a lovely town. Jokers Bitter pill to swallow The obvious
  • Score: 0

7:26pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Mr Bradford says...

collos25 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.
Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something?
Since when is a city all about shops anyway?
The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it.
In my opinion.
Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little.
Wakefield is in good condition? yeah right, it's a right dump! Wakefield has much more falling apart buildings than Bradford does.

Bradford is much nicer architecturally than Wakefield, which has mostly uninspired buildings.

I think you're the one who clearly needs to open your eyes more. You clearly have a grudge over Bradford which is leading you to see what you want to see when visiting other places.

I know Bradford is far from perfect, but there is definitely huge potential and Westfield and the Odeon will get the ball rolling full speed.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.[/p][/quote]Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something? Since when is a city all about shops anyway? The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it. In my opinion.[/p][/quote]Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little.[/p][/quote]Wakefield is in good condition? yeah right, it's a right dump! Wakefield has much more falling apart buildings than Bradford does. Bradford is much nicer architecturally than Wakefield, which has mostly uninspired buildings. I think you're the one who clearly needs to open your eyes more. You clearly have a grudge over Bradford which is leading you to see what you want to see when visiting other places. I know Bradford is far from perfect, but there is definitely huge potential and Westfield and the Odeon will get the ball rolling full speed. Mr Bradford
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Sun 13 Jan 13

The obvious says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
collos25 wrote:
You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.
Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something?
Since when is a city all about shops anyway?
The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it.
In my opinion.
Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little.
Wakefield is in good condition? yeah right, it's a right dump! Wakefield has much more falling apart buildings than Bradford does.

Bradford is much nicer architecturally than Wakefield, which has mostly uninspired buildings.

I think you're the one who clearly needs to open your eyes more. You clearly have a grudge over Bradford which is leading you to see what you want to see when visiting other places.

I know Bradford is far from perfect, but there is definitely huge potential and Westfield and the Odeon will get the ball rolling full speed.
Right on braddrs
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: You cannot compare Wakefield city centre with Bradford ,Wakefield has something in its centre its called a shopping centre with real people and real shops.[/p][/quote]Are you saying the Kirkgate Centre has pretend people and shops or something? Since when is a city all about shops anyway? The Media Museum is better than anything in Wakefiekd.... and Leeds too come to think of it. In my opinion.[/p][/quote]Wakefield has its new shopping centre plenty of innercity housing ,and is in generally good condition whereas Bradford has a few shops ,buildings falling apart including the Media Museum which requires millions spent on it . Bradford centre is in a state of general dilapidation and requires billions spent on it.You should open your eyes or travel a little.[/p][/quote]Wakefield is in good condition? yeah right, it's a right dump! Wakefield has much more falling apart buildings than Bradford does. Bradford is much nicer architecturally than Wakefield, which has mostly uninspired buildings. I think you're the one who clearly needs to open your eyes more. You clearly have a grudge over Bradford which is leading you to see what you want to see when visiting other places. I know Bradford is far from perfect, but there is definitely huge potential and Westfield and the Odeon will get the ball rolling full speed.[/p][/quote]Right on braddrs The obvious
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree