Baildon resident calls on new crime commissioner to take action on drug addicts

Rob Higgie beside the steps used by drug addicts

Rob Higgie beside the steps used by drug addicts

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Aire/Worth Valley Reporter

An urgent plea to tackle drug dealers in a Baildon street is one of the first letters to land on the desk of West Yorkshire’s new Police and Crime Commissioner.

Businessman Rob Higgie has campaigned for eight years against the growing problem of addicts using steps near his home in to meet car drivers delivering their daily fix.

Police efforts have so far failed to stop the 24-hour criminal trade.

Immediately Mark Burns-Williamson was elected as PCC, Mr Higgie sent him a demand for action. The same day, the new police czar told the Telegraph & Argus he was committed to tackling such types of anti-social behaviour.

Mr Higgie, 52, said: “Since we moved here in 2004 and I first saw drug-dealing taking place in broad daylight I have been asking the police to stamp it out.

“It’s just like a take-away delivery service morning, noon and night. A car or sometimes a private hire cab pulls up and toots its horn and the buyer wanders down from the social housing estate on the other side of the road, down the steps and does the deal in the street.

“I’ve watched wraps of drugs swapped for cash on dozens of occasions.

“This is a nice street and that shouldn’t be going on here, it is dragging everything down.

“But when I’ve spoken to the police it seems either they haven’t got enough officers, or it’s not considered bad enough to be a priority.”

Mr Higgie said some three weeks ago officers did carry out raids on some of the estate homes, leading to arrests and drug seizures.

“But that hasn’t stopped the daily trade, although the dealers have been a little more careful,” he said.

Mr Higgie, a senior retail account manager, said he has had to cope with the shocking consequences of abuse on his doorstep.

“Several times I’ve had to call ambulances for people collapsed, flat out in the street – totally incapable in daylight hours.”

He said approaches to Incommunities, which runs the estate, had been met with bland platitudes.

“Instead of doing anything like evicting drug addicts, they just go on about ‘multi-agency approaches’ and say they won’t take action against people who only have the stuff for personal use.”

A Police Authority spokesman said the new commissioner was not in post until tomorrow and would deal with all correspondence as quickly as possible.

Sergeant James Firth said: “We take these concerns extremely seriously and we are working hard to tackle these issues raised by local residents.

“Likewise, in relation to reports of drug dealing, we are proactively targeting those involved.

“Recently in nearby Southfield Way, two men aged 31 and 22 were arrested on suspicion of possession with intent to supply class A drugs.

“About 30 wraps and cash were seized.

“I would urge anyone who sees drugs-related activity taking place in their neighbourhood to report it immediately.

“You can do this anonymously on 0800 555111 via Crimestoppers. If you tell us about it, we will act.”

An Incommunities spokesman said it treated any report of drug dealing very seriously and was committed to taking legal action where appropriate.

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10:09am Wed 21 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Baildon sounds like it is in Bradford now.
Seriously we all see drug dealing happening in the streets along with drivers using mobile phones and parking etc. etc. and we all wonder why the Police can't see these things and do something.
Baildon sounds like it is in Bradford now. Seriously we all see drug dealing happening in the streets along with drivers using mobile phones and parking etc. etc. and we all wonder why the Police can't see these things and do something. Joedavid
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11:17am Wed 21 Nov 12

Baildonboy says...

I reported a similiar incident in Roberts Park - lovely sunny day,park full of families & in broad daylight cars zooming up to a dealer in one of the shelters.Clear as anything.

Rang the Police (not the urgent number the other one) who promised to get a car down there later in the day !

It's incidents like this which bring the area down & should not be tolerated.

Well done to Mr Higgie for having the bravery to bring this to people's attention.
I reported a similiar incident in Roberts Park - lovely sunny day,park full of families & in broad daylight cars zooming up to a dealer in one of the shelters.Clear as anything. Rang the Police (not the urgent number the other one) who promised to get a car down there later in the day ! It's incidents like this which bring the area down & should not be tolerated. Well done to Mr Higgie for having the bravery to bring this to people's attention. Baildonboy
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11:37am Wed 21 Nov 12

Another Landless Peasant says...

I call upon the new Commissioner to end the failed war on drugs, and to work towards legalization and regulation of drug supplies, putting profits back into treatment for addicts. Stop criminalizing drug users and provide real medical help. As for cannabis, legalize it all together and leave harmless cannabis users in peace. The war on drugs has cost Billions £££ and done nothing. Valuable Police resources are being wasted in persecuting drug users and the entrepreneurs who supply them. Get out and catch some real criminals instead.
I call upon the new Commissioner to end the failed war on drugs, and to work towards legalization and regulation of drug supplies, putting profits back into treatment for addicts. Stop criminalizing drug users and provide real medical help. As for cannabis, legalize it all together and leave harmless cannabis users in peace. The war on drugs has cost Billions £££ and done nothing. Valuable Police resources are being wasted in persecuting drug users and the entrepreneurs who supply them. Get out and catch some real criminals instead. Another Landless Peasant
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11:52am Wed 21 Nov 12

Albion. says...

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
I call upon the new Commissioner to end the failed war on drugs, and to work towards legalization and regulation of drug supplies, putting profits back into treatment for addicts. Stop criminalizing drug users and provide real medical help. As for cannabis, legalize it all together and leave harmless cannabis users in peace. The war on drugs has cost Billions £££ and done nothing. Valuable Police resources are being wasted in persecuting drug users and the entrepreneurs who supply them. Get out and catch some real criminals instead.
So those arriving in the cars and supplying ILLEGAL products aren't criminals, neither are the smugglers and large scale growers?
Making money from crime is down to greed and an uncaring attitude to your fellow man. If you legalised certain products these criminals would still be involved in crime! They want stopping! As do the fools who promote their activities by buying their contraband.
[quote][p][bold]Another Landless Peasant[/bold] wrote: I call upon the new Commissioner to end the failed war on drugs, and to work towards legalization and regulation of drug supplies, putting profits back into treatment for addicts. Stop criminalizing drug users and provide real medical help. As for cannabis, legalize it all together and leave harmless cannabis users in peace. The war on drugs has cost Billions £££ and done nothing. Valuable Police resources are being wasted in persecuting drug users and the entrepreneurs who supply them. Get out and catch some real criminals instead.[/p][/quote]So those arriving in the cars and supplying ILLEGAL products aren't criminals, neither are the smugglers and large scale growers? Making money from crime is down to greed and an uncaring attitude to your fellow man. If you legalised certain products these criminals would still be involved in crime! They want stopping! As do the fools who promote their activities by buying their contraband. Albion.
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12:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Bone_idle18 says...

Ok rolly, as you're such a conspiracy theorist, why do you think CIA/MI5 etc haven't flooded the heroin market with poisoned heroin, and taken out all smack heads in one fell swoop, easily blamed on greedy dealers or even the Taliban profiting from heroin supply in Afghanistan?
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the double beauty of this is that cutting off demand means that the money made from heroin and used to buy Taliban arms, would dry up and the UN forces could seize control.
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If you see the state of most druggies, it's quite easy to understand why it isn't legalised.
Ok rolly, as you're such a conspiracy theorist, why do you think CIA/MI5 etc haven't flooded the heroin market with poisoned heroin, and taken out all smack heads in one fell swoop, easily blamed on greedy dealers or even the Taliban profiting from heroin supply in Afghanistan? . the double beauty of this is that cutting off demand means that the money made from heroin and used to buy Taliban arms, would dry up and the UN forces could seize control. . If you see the state of most druggies, it's quite easy to understand why it isn't legalised. Bone_idle18
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12:27pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

Rob get a reality check

Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job

Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop

Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle

Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce
Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce thruth9211
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12:31pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Andy2010 says...

thruth9211 wrote:
Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce
So you are stating here that seized drugs are simply sold on by the police back to the dealers ?

Really? Can you back up this claim or did a mate tell you ?
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce[/p][/quote]So you are stating here that seized drugs are simply sold on by the police back to the dealers ? Really? Can you back up this claim or did a mate tell you ? Andy2010
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12:46pm Wed 21 Nov 12

freespeech says...

You make Baildon sound like the rest of the country, instead of it being unique and special.

Wake up an smell the coffee, these incidents are only going to get worse! None of the public services have surplus funds to fight this splurge on our landscapes.

Do your bit and become more involved in finding a SOLUTION instead of demanding others take responsibility for something quiet clearly they have inherited.

Have a think about why these losers take drugs, is there any deterrent in selling / buying / using drugs?

What is your responsibility?

I accept my comments will be marred by negative responses by those not wanting to help themselves. If you feel that strongly, start some sort of community union to drive this activity away from your doorstep.
You make Baildon sound like the rest of the country, instead of it being unique and special. Wake up an smell the coffee, these incidents are only going to get worse! None of the public services have surplus funds to fight this splurge on our landscapes. Do your bit and become more involved in finding a SOLUTION instead of demanding others take responsibility for something quiet clearly they have inherited. Have a think about why these losers take drugs, is there any deterrent in selling / buying / using drugs? What is your responsibility? I accept my comments will be marred by negative responses by those not wanting to help themselves. If you feel that strongly, start some sort of community union to drive this activity away from your doorstep. freespeech
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1:10pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Ok rolly, as you're such a conspiracy theorist, why do you think CIA/MI5 etc haven't flooded the heroin market with poisoned heroin, and taken out all smack heads in one fell swoop, easily blamed on greedy dealers or even the Taliban profiting from heroin supply in Afghanistan?
.
the double beauty of this is that cutting off demand means that the money made from heroin and used to buy Taliban arms, would dry up and the UN forces could seize control.
.
If you see the state of most druggies, it's quite easy to understand why it isn't legalised.
Why would the CIA/MI5 want to kill off their customers? A CIA plane crashed a couple of years back with tonnes of coke on board that they had been shipping from the armed drugs gangs who they have armed through Fast and Furious. If we were in anyway serious about eradicating the heroin supply we would have done so at the beginning of the Afgan conflict when the Taliban had reduced the crop to 20% of world supply. Instead our troops have been protecting the crops and now Afganistan supplies 90% of world supply.The Banks are making a fortune laundering the drugs money. If the government was to have an inquiry to find the most harmful way to deal with the drugs problem for both users and society at large they would be hard pushed to find anything worse than the current policy of prohibition. Real drugs dealers arn't scruffy scrotes trying to feed their habits and fend off the cravings till next giro day, they are business men worth millions. Do you seriously believe the police haven't got a clue who they are?
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: Ok rolly, as you're such a conspiracy theorist, why do you think CIA/MI5 etc haven't flooded the heroin market with poisoned heroin, and taken out all smack heads in one fell swoop, easily blamed on greedy dealers or even the Taliban profiting from heroin supply in Afghanistan? . the double beauty of this is that cutting off demand means that the money made from heroin and used to buy Taliban arms, would dry up and the UN forces could seize control. . If you see the state of most druggies, it's quite easy to understand why it isn't legalised.[/p][/quote]Why would the CIA/MI5 want to kill off their customers? A CIA plane crashed a couple of years back with tonnes of coke on board that they had been shipping from the armed drugs gangs who they have armed through Fast and Furious. If we were in anyway serious about eradicating the heroin supply we would have done so at the beginning of the Afgan conflict when the Taliban had reduced the crop to 20% of world supply. Instead our troops have been protecting the crops and now Afganistan supplies 90% of world supply.The Banks are making a fortune laundering the drugs money. If the government was to have an inquiry to find the most harmful way to deal with the drugs problem for both users and society at large they would be hard pushed to find anything worse than the current policy of prohibition. Real drugs dealers arn't scruffy scrotes trying to feed their habits and fend off the cravings till next giro day, they are business men worth millions. Do you seriously believe the police haven't got a clue who they are? RollandSmoke
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2:30pm Wed 21 Nov 12

stan68 says...

sounds to be a lot of demanding people in baildon just lately,demanding no new house building,no new industrial/business parks building,no to anybody that doesn't conform to the quaint little parish,sorry baildon but big bad bradfords coming to get you,and it won't end well.
sounds to be a lot of demanding people in baildon just lately,demanding no new house building,no new industrial/business parks building,no to anybody that doesn't conform to the quaint little parish,sorry baildon but big bad bradfords coming to get you,and it won't end well. stan68
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2:33pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Reality001 says...

thruth9211 wrote:
Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce
I take it your a friend of the Independent Candidate who stood for the PCC In West Yorkshire who made those claims.
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce[/p][/quote]I take it your a friend of the Independent Candidate who stood for the PCC In West Yorkshire who made those claims. Reality001
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3:51pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Fiery Jack says...

Why is this Baildon man picking on vulnerable drug addicts and suggesting that they be evicted?

Should alcoholics and smokers be evicted as well?

The bloke's a druggist.
Why is this Baildon man picking on vulnerable drug addicts and suggesting that they be evicted? Should alcoholics and smokers be evicted as well? The bloke's a druggist. Fiery Jack
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4:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Fiery Jack wrote:
Why is this Baildon man picking on vulnerable drug addicts and suggesting that they be evicted?

Should alcoholics and smokers be evicted as well?

The bloke's a druggist.
According to Yazz and the Plastic Population "If we should get evicted from our homes we'll just move somewhere else and still carry on" She goes on to claim that "the only way is up" which, as should be obvious to anyone, is factually incorrect and suggests a lack of research. I just don't know what to believe anymore.
[quote][p][bold]Fiery Jack[/bold] wrote: Why is this Baildon man picking on vulnerable drug addicts and suggesting that they be evicted? Should alcoholics and smokers be evicted as well? The bloke's a druggist.[/p][/quote]According to Yazz and the Plastic Population "If we should get evicted from our homes we'll just move somewhere else and still carry on" She goes on to claim that "the only way is up" which, as should be obvious to anyone, is factually incorrect and suggests a lack of research. I just don't know what to believe anymore. RollandSmoke
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4:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

ennie bee says...

my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help.
my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help. ennie bee
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5:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

its true, oil rich and herion rich country are taken over buy the west to support their criminla activities

tonnes and tonnes of herion are imported not by civilians, but powers that control the region,
its true, oil rich and herion rich country are taken over buy the west to support their criminla activities tonnes and tonnes of herion are imported not by civilians, but powers that control the region, thruth9211
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5:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

its true, oil rich and herion rich country are taken over buy the west to support their criminla activities

tonnes and tonnes of herion are imported not by civilians, but powers that control the region,
its true, oil rich and herion rich country are taken over buy the west to support their criminla activities tonnes and tonnes of herion are imported not by civilians, but powers that control the region, thruth9211
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5:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

its true, oil rich and herion rich country are taken over buy the west to support their criminla activities

tonnes and tonnes of herion are imported not by civilians, but powers that control the region,
its true, oil rich and herion rich country are taken over buy the west to support their criminla activities tonnes and tonnes of herion are imported not by civilians, but powers that control the region, thruth9211
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6:00pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

thruth9211 wrote:
Rob get a reality check

Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job

Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop

Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle

Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce
Many thanks for your feedback, I understand that seized heroin is distroyed in a safe environment. If you have an eveidence of rogue police officers selling seized drugs please phone Crimestoppers 0800 555111 .
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce[/p][/quote]Many thanks for your feedback, I understand that seized heroin is distroyed in a safe environment. If you have an eveidence of rogue police officers selling seized drugs please phone Crimestoppers 0800 555111 . Rob Higgie
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6:01pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

ennie bee wrote:
my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help.
I do feel for your daughter and kids, i see the eveidence of drug use every day in the area. A solution needs to be found.
[quote][p][bold]ennie bee[/bold] wrote: my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help.[/p][/quote]I do feel for your daughter and kids, i see the eveidence of drug use every day in the area. A solution needs to be found. Rob Higgie
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6:02pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Another Landless Peasant says...

Prohibition instantly creates a blackmarket and puts the supply into the hands of criminals. The war on drugs can never win, it is self-perpetuating.
Prohibition instantly creates a blackmarket and puts the supply into the hands of criminals. The war on drugs can never win, it is self-perpetuating. Another Landless Peasant
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6:14pm Wed 21 Nov 12

ennie bee says...

Rob Higgie wrote:
ennie bee wrote:
my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help.
I do feel for your daughter and kids, i see the eveidence of drug use every day in the area. A solution needs to be found.
it does.i think the garages is a haven for dodgy dealings.i visited my daughter a few weeks ago and i cold smell drugs as soon as i walked in the flat communal area.i feel sorry for the decent tenants in the flats..theres also a childrens park as you know,and its not fair the kids seeing drugs being dealt in full view.i dont know what the soltion is,but its peoples riht to live in a drug free zone.
[quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ennie bee[/bold] wrote: my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help.[/p][/quote]I do feel for your daughter and kids, i see the eveidence of drug use every day in the area. A solution needs to be found.[/p][/quote]it does.i think the garages is a haven for dodgy dealings.i visited my daughter a few weeks ago and i cold smell drugs as soon as i walked in the flat communal area.i feel sorry for the decent tenants in the flats..theres also a childrens park as you know,and its not fair the kids seeing drugs being dealt in full view.i dont know what the soltion is,but its peoples riht to live in a drug free zone. ennie bee
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6:24pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

freespeech wrote:
You make Baildon sound like the rest of the country, instead of it being unique and special.

Wake up an smell the coffee, these incidents are only going to get worse! None of the public services have surplus funds to fight this splurge on our landscapes.

Do your bit and become more involved in finding a SOLUTION instead of demanding others take responsibility for something quiet clearly they have inherited.

Have a think about why these losers take drugs, is there any deterrent in selling / buying / using drugs?

What is your responsibility?

I accept my comments will be marred by negative responses by those not wanting to help themselves. If you feel that strongly, start some sort of community union to drive this activity away from your doorstep.
Thanks for the suggestion I do intend to do my bit in finding a solution.
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: You make Baildon sound like the rest of the country, instead of it being unique and special. Wake up an smell the coffee, these incidents are only going to get worse! None of the public services have surplus funds to fight this splurge on our landscapes. Do your bit and become more involved in finding a SOLUTION instead of demanding others take responsibility for something quiet clearly they have inherited. Have a think about why these losers take drugs, is there any deterrent in selling / buying / using drugs? What is your responsibility? I accept my comments will be marred by negative responses by those not wanting to help themselves. If you feel that strongly, start some sort of community union to drive this activity away from your doorstep.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the suggestion I do intend to do my bit in finding a solution. Rob Higgie
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6:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Baildonboy wrote:
I reported a similiar incident in Roberts Park - lovely sunny day,park full of families & in broad daylight cars zooming up to a dealer in one of the shelters.Clear as anything.

Rang the Police (not the urgent number the other one) who promised to get a car down there later in the day !

It's incidents like this which bring the area down & should not be tolerated.

Well done to Mr Higgie for having the bravery to bring this to people's attention.
Thank you for your positive feedback.
[quote][p][bold]Baildonboy[/bold] wrote: I reported a similiar incident in Roberts Park - lovely sunny day,park full of families & in broad daylight cars zooming up to a dealer in one of the shelters.Clear as anything. Rang the Police (not the urgent number the other one) who promised to get a car down there later in the day ! It's incidents like this which bring the area down & should not be tolerated. Well done to Mr Higgie for having the bravery to bring this to people's attention.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your positive feedback. Rob Higgie
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6:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Joedavid wrote:
Baildon sounds like it is in Bradford now.
Seriously we all see drug dealing happening in the streets along with drivers using mobile phones and parking etc. etc. and we all wonder why the Police can't see these things and do something.
I could not agree more with you.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: Baildon sounds like it is in Bradford now. Seriously we all see drug dealing happening in the streets along with drivers using mobile phones and parking etc. etc. and we all wonder why the Police can't see these things and do something.[/p][/quote]I could not agree more with you. Rob Higgie
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6:27pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Albion. wrote:
Another Landless Peasant wrote:
I call upon the new Commissioner to end the failed war on drugs, and to work towards legalization and regulation of drug supplies, putting profits back into treatment for addicts. Stop criminalizing drug users and provide real medical help. As for cannabis, legalize it all together and leave harmless cannabis users in peace. The war on drugs has cost Billions £££ and done nothing. Valuable Police resources are being wasted in persecuting drug users and the entrepreneurs who supply them. Get out and catch some real criminals instead.
So those arriving in the cars and supplying ILLEGAL products aren't criminals, neither are the smugglers and large scale growers?
Making money from crime is down to greed and an uncaring attitude to your fellow man. If you legalised certain products these criminals would still be involved in crime! They want stopping! As do the fools who promote their activities by buying their contraband.
Hear hear!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Another Landless Peasant[/bold] wrote: I call upon the new Commissioner to end the failed war on drugs, and to work towards legalization and regulation of drug supplies, putting profits back into treatment for addicts. Stop criminalizing drug users and provide real medical help. As for cannabis, legalize it all together and leave harmless cannabis users in peace. The war on drugs has cost Billions £££ and done nothing. Valuable Police resources are being wasted in persecuting drug users and the entrepreneurs who supply them. Get out and catch some real criminals instead.[/p][/quote]So those arriving in the cars and supplying ILLEGAL products aren't criminals, neither are the smugglers and large scale growers? Making money from crime is down to greed and an uncaring attitude to your fellow man. If you legalised certain products these criminals would still be involved in crime! They want stopping! As do the fools who promote their activities by buying their contraband.[/p][/quote]Hear hear! Rob Higgie
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6:33pm Wed 21 Nov 12

SupplyTeacher says...

I completely agree with you. I have seen so many promising students see their careers ended by involvement in this sort of thing. I think you are very brave to start this project, when ruthless criminal gangs are involved. I really hope that the new Police and Crime Commissioner meet you. Of course one of the problems is that the present government seem to think the same levels of policing can be maintained with vastly reduced budgets, which of course is nonsense.
I completely agree with you. I have seen so many promising students see their careers ended by involvement in this sort of thing. I think you are very brave to start this project, when ruthless criminal gangs are involved. I really hope that the new Police and Crime Commissioner meet you. Of course one of the problems is that the present government seem to think the same levels of policing can be maintained with vastly reduced budgets, which of course is nonsense. SupplyTeacher
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6:34pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Fiery Jack wrote:
Why is this Baildon man picking on vulnerable drug addicts and suggesting that they be evicted?

Should alcoholics and smokers be evicted as well?

The bloke's a druggist.
You are correct I do have an issue with the drug issue. Im my opinion drug dealers should be in prison and users in rehab.
[quote][p][bold]Fiery Jack[/bold] wrote: Why is this Baildon man picking on vulnerable drug addicts and suggesting that they be evicted? Should alcoholics and smokers be evicted as well? The bloke's a druggist.[/p][/quote]You are correct I do have an issue with the drug issue. Im my opinion drug dealers should be in prison and users in rehab. Rob Higgie
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6:38pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
Prohibition instantly creates a blackmarket and puts the supply into the hands of criminals. The war on drugs can never win, it is self-perpetuating.
There is prohibition on owning and using guns! This does not cause an issue in society, why should getting rid of drugs dealer do so?
[quote][p][bold]Another Landless Peasant[/bold] wrote: Prohibition instantly creates a blackmarket and puts the supply into the hands of criminals. The war on drugs can never win, it is self-perpetuating.[/p][/quote]There is prohibition on owning and using guns! This does not cause an issue in society, why should getting rid of drugs dealer do so? Rob Higgie
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6:43pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

ennie bee wrote:
Rob Higgie wrote:
ennie bee wrote:
my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help.
I do feel for your daughter and kids, i see the eveidence of drug use every day in the area. A solution needs to be found.
it does.i think the garages is a haven for dodgy dealings.i visited my daughter a few weeks ago and i cold smell drugs as soon as i walked in the flat communal area.i feel sorry for the decent tenants in the flats..theres also a childrens park as you know,and its not fair the kids seeing drugs being dealt in full view.i dont know what the soltion is,but its peoples riht to live in a drug free zone.
I completely agree with you, I very much feel the same way.
[quote][p][bold]ennie bee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ennie bee[/bold] wrote: my daughter and her two small daughters were put in one of these flats, she didnt know about all the neighbours with drug habits otherwise she wouldnt have taken it..inncommunities shouldnt have put her there if they knew,which they must have.she has found needles in the hallway and rung police numerous time because of drug dealing.they have told her she cant move out as yet as shes got to be there a year.getting rid of those empty garages will help.[/p][/quote]I do feel for your daughter and kids, i see the eveidence of drug use every day in the area. A solution needs to be found.[/p][/quote]it does.i think the garages is a haven for dodgy dealings.i visited my daughter a few weeks ago and i cold smell drugs as soon as i walked in the flat communal area.i feel sorry for the decent tenants in the flats..theres also a childrens park as you know,and its not fair the kids seeing drugs being dealt in full view.i dont know what the soltion is,but its peoples riht to live in a drug free zone.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with you, I very much feel the same way. Rob Higgie
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6:44pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Andy2010 wrote:
thruth9211 wrote:
Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce
So you are stating here that seized drugs are simply sold on by the police back to the dealers ?

Really? Can you back up this claim or did a mate tell you ?
Hear hear
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: Rob get a reality check Do you think the police really want to stop criminals in your area, without criminals they dont have a job Criminals keep the met in a job, Criminals should be punished, ie chop their fingers, hence re offending will stop Rob you aint guna win, ask your self how drugs come into this country, Do police really detect all herion that comes in, Its a money making and job keeping cycle Ever asked what happens to the seized heroin, ......well its put back into the system by bent P@@@ce[/p][/quote]So you are stating here that seized drugs are simply sold on by the police back to the dealers ? Really? Can you back up this claim or did a mate tell you ?[/p][/quote]Hear hear Rob Higgie
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6:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

SupplyTeacher wrote:
I completely agree with you. I have seen so many promising students see their careers ended by involvement in this sort of thing. I think you are very brave to start this project, when ruthless criminal gangs are involved. I really hope that the new Police and Crime Commissioner meet you. Of course one of the problems is that the present government seem to think the same levels of policing can be maintained with vastly reduced budgets, which of course is nonsense.
Thank you for this very useful additional prespective.
[quote][p][bold]SupplyTeacher[/bold] wrote: I completely agree with you. I have seen so many promising students see their careers ended by involvement in this sort of thing. I think you are very brave to start this project, when ruthless criminal gangs are involved. I really hope that the new Police and Crime Commissioner meet you. Of course one of the problems is that the present government seem to think the same levels of policing can be maintained with vastly reduced budgets, which of course is nonsense.[/p][/quote]Thank you for this very useful additional prespective. Rob Higgie
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7:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Amazed at how you can 'see' dealing going on but only see people from social housing making purchases. Wake up and wise up, check yout kids pockets.
Amazed at how you can 'see' dealing going on but only see people from social housing making purchases. Wake up and wise up, check yout kids pockets. Prisoner Cell Block A
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7:22pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal. RollandSmoke
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7:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal. RollandSmoke
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7:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Amazed at how you can 'see' dealing going on but only see people from social housing making purchases. Wake up and wise up, check yout kids pockets.
My kids pockets are clean! that I can assure.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Amazed at how you can 'see' dealing going on but only see people from social housing making purchases. Wake up and wise up, check yout kids pockets.[/p][/quote]My kids pockets are clean! that I can assure. Rob Higgie
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7:30pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.[/p][/quote]The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents. Rob Higgie
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7:36pm Wed 21 Nov 12

BigFella1 says...

It is my view that this guy in Baildon needs to wake up, your area is just like any other area of Bradford. Full of lively drug dealers that sell their wares morning and night and the police seem to do not alot about it. They know its there and going on and they seem to know who alot of these dealers are but they leave them alone and do nowt. We live in Bradford 8 and me and my neighbours have both telephoned on numerous occaisons about these dealers, but nothing has ever been done with them. I have had loads and loads of confrontation with both the dealers and addicts. This dealing goes on as early as 7.30am and beyond midnight. Its a nightmare. And the annoying part of this situation is that 4 of these dealers have been at it for more than ten years. the same ones are still here dealing over and over again. I have given up on calling the police because its a joke and no new commisioner will do anyhting different from what has gone on already. A number of years ago i got in touch with the police regarding a drug dealer that was dealing to children as young as twelve, i volunteered to go to court to give evidence, and he got away with it. Whats that all about eh?
There was a shooting in my area over drugs, and as usual nowt happened. There has been numerous very serious goings on near me, but nowt has happened in all the years i have been here. The same dealers are still here, and here to stay it would seem.
So Mr Higgie you need to wake up, then you will realise that you need to live with it like everyone else in this town, and realise that it would appear that the Police dont have the time nor the resources(as keeps getting said) to do owt about your little problem even with loads and loads of help from the members of the public, and probably more complaints than we care to mention. Apologies for my abruptness but i think that this is the reality of the various extremely large number of drug dealings going on in this town.
It is my view that this guy in Baildon needs to wake up, your area is just like any other area of Bradford. Full of lively drug dealers that sell their wares morning and night and the police seem to do not alot about it. They know its there and going on and they seem to know who alot of these dealers are but they leave them alone and do nowt. We live in Bradford 8 and me and my neighbours have both telephoned on numerous occaisons about these dealers, but nothing has ever been done with them. I have had loads and loads of confrontation with both the dealers and addicts. This dealing goes on as early as 7.30am and beyond midnight. Its a nightmare. And the annoying part of this situation is that 4 of these dealers have been at it for more than ten years. the same ones are still here dealing over and over again. I have given up on calling the police because its a joke and no new commisioner will do anyhting different from what has gone on already. A number of years ago i got in touch with the police regarding a drug dealer that was dealing to children as young as twelve, i volunteered to go to court to give evidence, and he got away with it. Whats that all about eh? There was a shooting in my area over drugs, and as usual nowt happened. There has been numerous very serious goings on near me, but nowt has happened in all the years i have been here. The same dealers are still here, and here to stay it would seem. So Mr Higgie you need to wake up, then you will realise that you need to live with it like everyone else in this town, and realise that it would appear that the Police dont have the time nor the resources(as keeps getting said) to do owt about your little problem even with loads and loads of help from the members of the public, and probably more complaints than we care to mention. Apologies for my abruptness but i think that this is the reality of the various extremely large number of drug dealings going on in this town. BigFella1
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7:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.
The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.
[quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.[/p][/quote]The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.[/p][/quote]The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds. RollandSmoke
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8:00pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.
The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.
Total nonsense!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.[/p][/quote]The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.[/p][/quote]The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.[/p][/quote]Total nonsense! Albion.
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8:06pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Tell me Albion what's the endocannabanoid system and where can it be found?
Tell me Albion what's the endocannabanoid system and where can it be found? RollandSmoke
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8:08pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.
The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.
Total nonsense!
Hear Hear
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.[/p][/quote]The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.[/p][/quote]The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.[/p][/quote]Total nonsense![/p][/quote]Hear Hear Rob Higgie
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8:11pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

BigFella1 wrote:
It is my view that this guy in Baildon needs to wake up, your area is just like any other area of Bradford. Full of lively drug dealers that sell their wares morning and night and the police seem to do not alot about it. They know its there and going on and they seem to know who alot of these dealers are but they leave them alone and do nowt. We live in Bradford 8 and me and my neighbours have both telephoned on numerous occaisons about these dealers, but nothing has ever been done with them. I have had loads and loads of confrontation with both the dealers and addicts. This dealing goes on as early as 7.30am and beyond midnight. Its a nightmare. And the annoying part of this situation is that 4 of these dealers have been at it for more than ten years. the same ones are still here dealing over and over again. I have given up on calling the police because its a joke and no new commisioner will do anyhting different from what has gone on already. A number of years ago i got in touch with the police regarding a drug dealer that was dealing to children as young as twelve, i volunteered to go to court to give evidence, and he got away with it. Whats that all about eh?
There was a shooting in my area over drugs, and as usual nowt happened. There has been numerous very serious goings on near me, but nowt has happened in all the years i have been here. The same dealers are still here, and here to stay it would seem.
So Mr Higgie you need to wake up, then you will realise that you need to live with it like everyone else in this town, and realise that it would appear that the Police dont have the time nor the resources(as keeps getting said) to do owt about your little problem even with loads and loads of help from the members of the public, and probably more complaints than we care to mention. Apologies for my abruptness but i think that this is the reality of the various extremely large number of drug dealings going on in this town.
I agree with you that drug dealing has become endemic in Bradford. I would suggest that you also contact the new PCC.
For one I have had enough of the drug dealing in Bradford and will do what I to stop drug dealing in my area.
[quote][p][bold]BigFella1[/bold] wrote: It is my view that this guy in Baildon needs to wake up, your area is just like any other area of Bradford. Full of lively drug dealers that sell their wares morning and night and the police seem to do not alot about it. They know its there and going on and they seem to know who alot of these dealers are but they leave them alone and do nowt. We live in Bradford 8 and me and my neighbours have both telephoned on numerous occaisons about these dealers, but nothing has ever been done with them. I have had loads and loads of confrontation with both the dealers and addicts. This dealing goes on as early as 7.30am and beyond midnight. Its a nightmare. And the annoying part of this situation is that 4 of these dealers have been at it for more than ten years. the same ones are still here dealing over and over again. I have given up on calling the police because its a joke and no new commisioner will do anyhting different from what has gone on already. A number of years ago i got in touch with the police regarding a drug dealer that was dealing to children as young as twelve, i volunteered to go to court to give evidence, and he got away with it. Whats that all about eh? There was a shooting in my area over drugs, and as usual nowt happened. There has been numerous very serious goings on near me, but nowt has happened in all the years i have been here. The same dealers are still here, and here to stay it would seem. So Mr Higgie you need to wake up, then you will realise that you need to live with it like everyone else in this town, and realise that it would appear that the Police dont have the time nor the resources(as keeps getting said) to do owt about your little problem even with loads and loads of help from the members of the public, and probably more complaints than we care to mention. Apologies for my abruptness but i think that this is the reality of the various extremely large number of drug dealings going on in this town.[/p][/quote]I agree with you that drug dealing has become endemic in Bradford. I would suggest that you also contact the new PCC. For one I have had enough of the drug dealing in Bradford and will do what I to stop drug dealing in my area. Rob Higgie
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8:11pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Albion. says...

Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.
The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.
Total nonsense!
Psychosis has always been a risk to cannabis smokers, irrespective of the mix of CBD and THC.
The main cause isn't growing techniques it is simply the fact that some people are more prone to psychosis than others, those people might not have ever displayed such symptoms before using the drug and indeed might never show signs of psychosis if the didn't use the drug.
The fact is, it's a gamble, whatever the growing techniques are strength of the end product.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.[/p][/quote]The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.[/p][/quote]The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.[/p][/quote]Total nonsense![/p][/quote]Psychosis has always been a risk to cannabis smokers, irrespective of the mix of CBD and THC. The main cause isn't growing techniques it is simply the fact that some people are more prone to psychosis than others, those people might not have ever displayed such symptoms before using the drug and indeed might never show signs of psychosis if the didn't use the drug. The fact is, it's a gamble, whatever the growing techniques are strength of the end product. Albion.
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8:15pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Albion. wrote:
Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.
The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.
Total nonsense!
Psychosis has always been a risk to cannabis smokers, irrespective of the mix of CBD and THC.
The main cause isn't growing techniques it is simply the fact that some people are more prone to psychosis than others, those people might not have ever displayed such symptoms before using the drug and indeed might never show signs of psychosis if the didn't use the drug.
The fact is, it's a gamble, whatever the growing techniques are strength of the end product.
Why take the gamble? No great reward either way!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.[/p][/quote]The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.[/p][/quote]The incidences of psychosis are mainly caused by the growing techniques employed by the illegal farms. The plants are harvested before plant has chance to produce CBD which forms at the latter end of the growing cycle. The CBD balances out the THC which is the psycho active compound. Research by GW Pharma, the makers of Sativex, has shown that CBD has powerful anti-psychotic properties. Skunk is high in THC and contains little if any CBD but it is only one strain amongst hundreds.[/p][/quote]Total nonsense![/p][/quote]Psychosis has always been a risk to cannabis smokers, irrespective of the mix of CBD and THC. The main cause isn't growing techniques it is simply the fact that some people are more prone to psychosis than others, those people might not have ever displayed such symptoms before using the drug and indeed might never show signs of psychosis if the didn't use the drug. The fact is, it's a gamble, whatever the growing techniques are strength of the end product.[/p][/quote]Why take the gamble? No great reward either way! Rob Higgie
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8:18pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c
om/sativex-faqs.aspx
Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx RollandSmoke
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8:28pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c

om/sativex-faqs.aspx
You seem totally convinced that you wish to advocate illegal drug taking. I simply don’t, nor do I wish to see other members of society suffer due to illegal drug misuse. We will have to agree to disagree.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx[/p][/quote]You seem totally convinced that you wish to advocate illegal drug taking. I simply don’t, nor do I wish to see other members of society suffer due to illegal drug misuse. We will have to agree to disagree. Rob Higgie
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8:31pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c

om/sativex-faqs.aspx
Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx[/p][/quote]Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis! Albion.
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8:32pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c


om/sativex-faqs.aspx
Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis!
A very good point of information.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx[/p][/quote]Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis![/p][/quote]A very good point of information. Rob Higgie
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8:50pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c


om/sativex-faqs.aspx
Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis!
Other than the means of ingestion and the possible damage from tobacco what's the difference? Apart from the massive mark up in price by GW Pharma.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx[/p][/quote]Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis![/p][/quote]Other than the means of ingestion and the possible damage from tobacco what's the difference? Apart from the massive mark up in price by GW Pharma. RollandSmoke
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8:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Albion. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c



om/sativex-faqs.aspx
Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis!
Other than the means of ingestion and the possible damage from tobacco what's the difference? Apart from the massive mark up in price by GW Pharma.
Control of quality and strength and the exclusion of certain chemicals. And of course the medical supervision.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx[/p][/quote]Using Sativex under medical supervision, isn't the same as someone smoking cannabis![/p][/quote]Other than the means of ingestion and the possible damage from tobacco what's the difference? Apart from the massive mark up in price by GW Pharma.[/p][/quote]Control of quality and strength and the exclusion of certain chemicals. And of course the medical supervision. Albion.
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10:00pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c


om/sativex-faqs.aspx
You seem totally convinced that you wish to advocate illegal drug taking. I simply don’t, nor do I wish to see other members of society suffer due to illegal drug misuse. We will have to agree to disagree.
The thing is we don't disagree I too am looking at this from the point of view of harm reduction. Drug misuse is a problem regardless of the legality of that use. The kids are turning to smoking cannabis because they are getting turned away if they try buying alcohol because the guy selling it has his licence to think about. The dealer wont care how old you are so long as you have the money. We have a far bigger problem health wise and crime wise with alcohol. We read today that there were over 2000 alcohol related arrests last year. How many cannabis arrests will there have been if you bear in mind the mere fact that they were in possession would have been grounds for arrest?
Clear is a political party that stood in last weeks election in Corby, they got nowhere obviously but they have some interesting ideas about a taxed and regulated system bringing in £6.7bn per annum
http://www.clear-uk.
org/tax-regulate/
[quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx[/p][/quote]You seem totally convinced that you wish to advocate illegal drug taking. I simply don’t, nor do I wish to see other members of society suffer due to illegal drug misuse. We will have to agree to disagree.[/p][/quote]The thing is we don't disagree I too am looking at this from the point of view of harm reduction. Drug misuse is a problem regardless of the legality of that use. The kids are turning to smoking cannabis because they are getting turned away if they try buying alcohol because the guy selling it has his licence to think about. The dealer wont care how old you are so long as you have the money. We have a far bigger problem health wise and crime wise with alcohol. We read today that there were over 2000 alcohol related arrests last year. How many cannabis arrests will there have been if you bear in mind the mere fact that they were in possession would have been grounds for arrest? Clear is a political party that stood in last weeks election in Corby, they got nowhere obviously but they have some interesting ideas about a taxed and regulated system bringing in £6.7bn per annum http://www.clear-uk. org/tax-regulate/ RollandSmoke
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8:44am Thu 22 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Q.

How does Sativex® work?
A.

Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities.

Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory

Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic
http://www.gwpharm.c



om/sativex-faqs.aspx
You seem totally convinced that you wish to advocate illegal drug taking. I simply don’t, nor do I wish to see other members of society suffer due to illegal drug misuse. We will have to agree to disagree.
The thing is we don't disagree I too am looking at this from the point of view of harm reduction. Drug misuse is a problem regardless of the legality of that use. The kids are turning to smoking cannabis because they are getting turned away if they try buying alcohol because the guy selling it has his licence to think about. The dealer wont care how old you are so long as you have the money. We have a far bigger problem health wise and crime wise with alcohol. We read today that there were over 2000 alcohol related arrests last year. How many cannabis arrests will there have been if you bear in mind the mere fact that they were in possession would have been grounds for arrest?
Clear is a political party that stood in last weeks election in Corby, they got nowhere obviously but they have some interesting ideas about a taxed and regulated system bringing in £6.7bn per annum
http://www.clear-uk.

org/tax-regulate/
You seem to be arguing your case from both sides of the rivers. Shockingly the West Yorkshire police have not in the recent past arrested people for simple possession of cannabis, if it was considered small enough quantities for personal use
I would like to know how many of the 2000 alcohol arrests that you speak of were also acting under the influence of drugs simultaneously
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Q. How does Sativex® work? A. Cannabinoids react with cannabinoid receptors that occur naturally throughout our bodies, including in our brains. A receptor is a site on a brain cell where certain substances can stick or “bind” for a while. If this happens, it has an effect on the cell and the nerve impulses it produces, which causes a ‘dimming down’ of the symptoms of spasticity. In patients who respond to Sativex®, it is this effect which helps to improve their symptoms of spasticity and to help them cope better with their usual daily activities. Main effects of CBD: Anti-inflammatory, anticonvulsant, antipsycotic, anti-oxidant, neuroprotective, immunomodulatory Main effects of THC: Analgesic, anti-spasmodic, anti-tremor, anti-inflammatory, appetite stimulant, anti-emetic http://www.gwpharm.c om/sativex-faqs.aspx[/p][/quote]You seem totally convinced that you wish to advocate illegal drug taking. I simply don’t, nor do I wish to see other members of society suffer due to illegal drug misuse. We will have to agree to disagree.[/p][/quote]The thing is we don't disagree I too am looking at this from the point of view of harm reduction. Drug misuse is a problem regardless of the legality of that use. The kids are turning to smoking cannabis because they are getting turned away if they try buying alcohol because the guy selling it has his licence to think about. The dealer wont care how old you are so long as you have the money. We have a far bigger problem health wise and crime wise with alcohol. We read today that there were over 2000 alcohol related arrests last year. How many cannabis arrests will there have been if you bear in mind the mere fact that they were in possession would have been grounds for arrest? Clear is a political party that stood in last weeks election in Corby, they got nowhere obviously but they have some interesting ideas about a taxed and regulated system bringing in £6.7bn per annum http://www.clear-uk. org/tax-regulate/[/p][/quote]You seem to be arguing your case from both sides of the rivers. Shockingly the West Yorkshire police have not in the recent past arrested people for simple possession of cannabis, if it was considered small enough quantities for personal use I would like to know how many of the 2000 alcohol arrests that you speak of were also acting under the influence of drugs simultaneously Rob Higgie
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10:08am Thu 22 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

And I would also be interested in knowing how many of the arrests wen't?. Statistically speaking your chances of psychosis are far greater with alcohol than with cannabis. Your accusation that the police are turning a blind eye to personal use may be true but this merely reflects an understanding by the police that this isn't a priority and there are much more productive ways they could be spending their time. Many cannabis users are self medicating as they find it eleviates their symptoms. Interestingly Sky news is carrying a story this morning about a study claiming that around 10% of prisoners suffer from ADHD and that by medicating them they can cut reoffending rates by 30%. The medication used for ADHD is based on Amphetemine or speed as it is known on the street. A big problem with prohibition is that it denies access to drugs that have been known for centuries to have beneficial medical effects. The argument for continued prohibition is based more on moralistic prejudice than it is scientific facts. While drugs have a taboo rebellious youths will see them as a cool way of expressing their angst and those older and wiser who have seen and experienced the good and the bad will refrain from opening up and giving these kids the benefits of their wisdom on the best way of remaining safe. Driving drug use underground is the worst thing we can do, it needs to be brought out into the open where everyone concerned can contribute to the debate without fear of incrimination.
And I would also be interested in knowing how many of the arrests wen't?. Statistically speaking your chances of psychosis are far greater with alcohol than with cannabis. Your accusation that the police are turning a blind eye to personal use may be true but this merely reflects an understanding by the police that this isn't a priority and there are much more productive ways they could be spending their time. Many cannabis users are self medicating as they find it eleviates their symptoms. Interestingly Sky news is carrying a story this morning about a study claiming that around 10% of prisoners suffer from ADHD and that by medicating them they can cut reoffending rates by 30%. The medication used for ADHD is based on Amphetemine or speed as it is known on the street. A big problem with prohibition is that it denies access to drugs that have been known for centuries to have beneficial medical effects. The argument for continued prohibition is based more on moralistic prejudice than it is scientific facts. While drugs have a taboo rebellious youths will see them as a cool way of expressing their angst and those older and wiser who have seen and experienced the good and the bad will refrain from opening up and giving these kids the benefits of their wisdom on the best way of remaining safe. Driving drug use underground is the worst thing we can do, it needs to be brought out into the open where everyone concerned can contribute to the debate without fear of incrimination. RollandSmoke
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10:24am Thu 22 Nov 12

Albion. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
And I would also be interested in knowing how many of the arrests wen't?. Statistically speaking your chances of psychosis are far greater with alcohol than with cannabis. Your accusation that the police are turning a blind eye to personal use may be true but this merely reflects an understanding by the police that this isn't a priority and there are much more productive ways they could be spending their time. Many cannabis users are self medicating as they find it eleviates their symptoms. Interestingly Sky news is carrying a story this morning about a study claiming that around 10% of prisoners suffer from ADHD and that by medicating them they can cut reoffending rates by 30%. The medication used for ADHD is based on Amphetemine or speed as it is known on the street. A big problem with prohibition is that it denies access to drugs that have been known for centuries to have beneficial medical effects. The argument for continued prohibition is based more on moralistic prejudice than it is scientific facts. While drugs have a taboo rebellious youths will see them as a cool way of expressing their angst and those older and wiser who have seen and experienced the good and the bad will refrain from opening up and giving these kids the benefits of their wisdom on the best way of remaining safe. Driving drug use underground is the worst thing we can do, it needs to be brought out into the open where everyone concerned can contribute to the debate without fear of incrimination.
Just because one thing is legal, it doesn't make a case for another thing being made so.
Too many people find that drug use turns them into lethargic vegetative leeches, legalisation wouldn't stop that, it would however give a green light to too many who would turn out to be vulnerable to the mentally damaging side of it.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: And I would also be interested in knowing how many of the arrests wen't?. Statistically speaking your chances of psychosis are far greater with alcohol than with cannabis. Your accusation that the police are turning a blind eye to personal use may be true but this merely reflects an understanding by the police that this isn't a priority and there are much more productive ways they could be spending their time. Many cannabis users are self medicating as they find it eleviates their symptoms. Interestingly Sky news is carrying a story this morning about a study claiming that around 10% of prisoners suffer from ADHD and that by medicating them they can cut reoffending rates by 30%. The medication used for ADHD is based on Amphetemine or speed as it is known on the street. A big problem with prohibition is that it denies access to drugs that have been known for centuries to have beneficial medical effects. The argument for continued prohibition is based more on moralistic prejudice than it is scientific facts. While drugs have a taboo rebellious youths will see them as a cool way of expressing their angst and those older and wiser who have seen and experienced the good and the bad will refrain from opening up and giving these kids the benefits of their wisdom on the best way of remaining safe. Driving drug use underground is the worst thing we can do, it needs to be brought out into the open where everyone concerned can contribute to the debate without fear of incrimination.[/p][/quote]Just because one thing is legal, it doesn't make a case for another thing being made so. Too many people find that drug use turns them into lethargic vegetative leeches, legalisation wouldn't stop that, it would however give a green light to too many who would turn out to be vulnerable to the mentally damaging side of it. Albion.
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11:55am Thu 22 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Rob Higgie wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.
The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.
Why, when no provision is made for the instantaneous psychosis brought on by the consumption of alcohol? Much more damaging to families, communities and the health service.
[quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As Washington and Colorado have now legalized cannabis it would seem the tide may be turning on cannabis prohibition. Britain is currently the only country in Europe where you can't get a medicinal cannabis prescription. Countries with more liberal drugs laws have been much more successful in reducing drug use than those who spend a fortune in enforcing these laws. One thing I agree with is that the trade needs taking out of the hand of dealers but there is more than one way of achieving that goal.[/p][/quote]The main probelm in this area is class 'A' drugs. I doubt very much if Washington and Colorado would legalise this. If you advocate legalise cannabis; society would need to have made provision to treat psychotic cannabis induced incidents.[/p][/quote]Why, when no provision is made for the instantaneous psychosis brought on by the consumption of alcohol? Much more damaging to families, communities and the health service. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:02pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Rob Higgie wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Amazed at how you can 'see' dealing going on but only see people from social housing making purchases. Wake up and wise up, check yout kids pockets.
My kids pockets are clean! that I can assure.
It was an indicative statement Rob, I don;t know your family status and wasn't trying to suggest YOUR child was a drug user of any sort. I meant that drug use is not confined to people on social housing, if you stepped up your vigilance I am sure you would find that drug use is rife even amongst your neighbours.

You would be hard pressed to go down any street in England and find it a drug free zone. Maybe not open street dealing but certainly drug use and by people you would scarcely imagine.

The businessman with his choice of relaxant being an informed choice to take cannabis by vaporiser rather than alcohol by pint. Thus avoiding the need for tobacco and the lung damage this causes.


Alcohol is responsible for more hospital visits, ruined families and direct/indirect deaths than the whole of the illegal drug spectrum combined. It is just acceptable as we as a nation have drunk alcohol in various guises for 100s of years and pay tax on it. If it was untaxable you would see massive clampdowns on it's use.


Illegal drugs are damaging but if we could remove the stigma attached, no-one ever hides the fact they are going for a pint, a landlord doesn't hide round a corner going 'psst, wanna buy a pint' but drug dealing due to it's standing in our society is a hidden and dangerous event.


Our outlook and point of 'attack' needs addressing before the problem can be truly dug into and some form of resolution found.
[quote][p][bold]Rob Higgie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Amazed at how you can 'see' dealing going on but only see people from social housing making purchases. Wake up and wise up, check yout kids pockets.[/p][/quote]My kids pockets are clean! that I can assure.[/p][/quote]It was an indicative statement Rob, I don;t know your family status and wasn't trying to suggest YOUR child was a drug user of any sort. I meant that drug use is not confined to people on social housing, if you stepped up your vigilance I am sure you would find that drug use is rife even amongst your neighbours. You would be hard pressed to go down any street in England and find it a drug free zone. Maybe not open street dealing but certainly drug use and by people you would scarcely imagine. The businessman with his choice of relaxant being an informed choice to take cannabis by vaporiser rather than alcohol by pint. Thus avoiding the need for tobacco and the lung damage this causes. Alcohol is responsible for more hospital visits, ruined families and direct/indirect deaths than the whole of the illegal drug spectrum combined. It is just acceptable as we as a nation have drunk alcohol in various guises for 100s of years and pay tax on it. If it was untaxable you would see massive clampdowns on it's use. Illegal drugs are damaging but if we could remove the stigma attached, no-one ever hides the fact they are going for a pint, a landlord doesn't hide round a corner going 'psst, wanna buy a pint' but drug dealing due to it's standing in our society is a hidden and dangerous event. Our outlook and point of 'attack' needs addressing before the problem can be truly dug into and some form of resolution found. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:50pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Moya Rowland says...

Knowing Rob as i do as a friend i can vouch that his actions are very heartfelt and will be persued as much as he possibly can do. I think its is great what he is doing and hopefully if we can clean up one area of the city then we can do so in others - i do not want my two young children growing up in a culture where this behaviour is seen to be acceptable or tollerated. It shoul dnot be - as Mr Higgie says - dealers in prison and users in re hab - thats the way forward. Mandatory and no pathetic short sentances - really hit them hard and for a long time
Knowing Rob as i do as a friend i can vouch that his actions are very heartfelt and will be persued as much as he possibly can do. I think its is great what he is doing and hopefully if we can clean up one area of the city then we can do so in others - i do not want my two young children growing up in a culture where this behaviour is seen to be acceptable or tollerated. It shoul dnot be - as Mr Higgie says - dealers in prison and users in re hab - thats the way forward. Mandatory and no pathetic short sentances - really hit them hard and for a long time Moya Rowland
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12:52pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Moya Rowland says...

I am very glad to see the comissioner has taken action too
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10062564.New_Poli
ce_Commissioner_vows
_to_tackle_drug_deal
ing_in_Baildon/
I am very glad to see the comissioner has taken action too http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10062564.New_Poli ce_Commissioner_vows _to_tackle_drug_deal ing_in_Baildon/ Moya Rowland
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12:52pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Moya Rowland says...

I am very glad to see the comissioner has taken action too
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10062564.New_Poli
ce_Commissioner_vows
_to_tackle_drug_deal
ing_in_Baildon/

well done Rob
I am very glad to see the comissioner has taken action too http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10062564.New_Poli ce_Commissioner_vows _to_tackle_drug_deal ing_in_Baildon/ well done Rob Moya Rowland
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2:07pm Thu 22 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Who's going to fund the rehab and the additional prison places? As a business man Rob should know that if there is a demand someone will step up to supply that demand, especially if as in this case there is a tidy profit to be made. This profit motive only exists because of the legal status of whatever substance. It is at the end of the day only business and the best way to put someone out of business is to take advantage of bulk discounts and ensure that the smaller businesses can't compete. Look at the impact the arrival of someone like ASDA has on the small businesses in that town. Do you not have problems with drinkers in Baildon or do they generally toddle of to the off licence then take their drinks home to consume. The problem can only be addressed by removing the dealers from the equation then reducing demand through education but just say no is too simplistic and if it was going to work it would have done by now. Sadly whether you approve of drug use or not is irrelivent, it has been happening for millenia and isn't going to stop. There has to be a better way of controlling the adverse effects but as things stand we have no influence on the market whatsoever.
Who's going to fund the rehab and the additional prison places? As a business man Rob should know that if there is a demand someone will step up to supply that demand, especially if as in this case there is a tidy profit to be made. This profit motive only exists because of the legal status of whatever substance. It is at the end of the day only business and the best way to put someone out of business is to take advantage of bulk discounts and ensure that the smaller businesses can't compete. Look at the impact the arrival of someone like ASDA has on the small businesses in that town. Do you not have problems with drinkers in Baildon or do they generally toddle of to the off licence then take their drinks home to consume. The problem can only be addressed by removing the dealers from the equation then reducing demand through education but just say no is too simplistic and if it was going to work it would have done by now. Sadly whether you approve of drug use or not is irrelivent, it has been happening for millenia and isn't going to stop. There has to be a better way of controlling the adverse effects but as things stand we have no influence on the market whatsoever. RollandSmoke
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2:11pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

Moya Rowland wrote:
I am very glad to see the comissioner has taken action too
http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/10062564.New_Poli

ce_Commissioner_vows

_to_tackle_drug_deal

ing_in_Baildon/

well done Rob
Thank you Moya.
[quote][p][bold]Moya Rowland[/bold] wrote: I am very glad to see the comissioner has taken action too http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10062564.New_Poli ce_Commissioner_vows _to_tackle_drug_deal ing_in_Baildon/ well done Rob[/p][/quote]Thank you Moya. Rob Higgie
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2:33pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Who's going to fund the rehab and the additional prison places? As a business man Rob should know that if there is a demand someone will step up to supply that demand, especially if as in this case there is a tidy profit to be made. This profit motive only exists because of the legal status of whatever substance. It is at the end of the day only business and the best way to put someone out of business is to take advantage of bulk discounts and ensure that the smaller businesses can't compete. Look at the impact the arrival of someone like ASDA has on the small businesses in that town. Do you not have problems with drinkers in Baildon or do they generally toddle of to the off licence then take their drinks home to consume. The problem can only be addressed by removing the dealers from the equation then reducing demand through education but just say no is too simplistic and if it was going to work it would have done by now. Sadly whether you approve of drug use or not is irrelivent, it has been happening for millenia and isn't going to stop. There has to be a better way of controlling the adverse effects but as things stand we have no influence on the market whatsoever.
I think we see the bigger picture Rolly, appreciate that drugs and alcohol have similar societal affects and try to promote a deeper think into how to address the issues.

I understand the concern of Rob and his neighbours but as I said above, don't blame it on the social housing inhabitants and do look closer to home, you will be mightily surprised at just how prevalent illegal drug use is, home, the local boozer, work, it is everywhere.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Who's going to fund the rehab and the additional prison places? As a business man Rob should know that if there is a demand someone will step up to supply that demand, especially if as in this case there is a tidy profit to be made. This profit motive only exists because of the legal status of whatever substance. It is at the end of the day only business and the best way to put someone out of business is to take advantage of bulk discounts and ensure that the smaller businesses can't compete. Look at the impact the arrival of someone like ASDA has on the small businesses in that town. Do you not have problems with drinkers in Baildon or do they generally toddle of to the off licence then take their drinks home to consume. The problem can only be addressed by removing the dealers from the equation then reducing demand through education but just say no is too simplistic and if it was going to work it would have done by now. Sadly whether you approve of drug use or not is irrelivent, it has been happening for millenia and isn't going to stop. There has to be a better way of controlling the adverse effects but as things stand we have no influence on the market whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I think we see the bigger picture Rolly, appreciate that drugs and alcohol have similar societal affects and try to promote a deeper think into how to address the issues. I understand the concern of Rob and his neighbours but as I said above, don't blame it on the social housing inhabitants and do look closer to home, you will be mightily surprised at just how prevalent illegal drug use is, home, the local boozer, work, it is everywhere. Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:57pm Thu 22 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

The Corby by election that Clear stood in was triggered after Former MP Louise Mensch angered the people of Corby when she stood down after just two years to move to New York with her family earlier this year. The news came out of the blue after she had appeared on BBC Question Time with John Lyndon and admitted to having used class A drugs.
http://youtu.be/Xj5R
5o-yhcc
Now as it seems that it is political suicide to declare an interest or admit to experience how the hell are we supposed to trust the politicians to have this debate on our behalf?
Here's the AP report on her resignation where the druggie wife of Matallica's manager is sat alongside our local bandwaggon jumper Phillip Davies MP.
http://youtu.be/ROmD
m5_1Rfc
The Corby by election that Clear stood in was triggered after Former MP Louise Mensch angered the people of Corby when she stood down after just two years to move to New York with her family earlier this year. The news came out of the blue after she had appeared on BBC Question Time with John Lyndon and admitted to having used class A drugs. http://youtu.be/Xj5R 5o-yhcc Now as it seems that it is political suicide to declare an interest or admit to experience how the hell are we supposed to trust the politicians to have this debate on our behalf? Here's the AP report on her resignation where the druggie wife of Matallica's manager is sat alongside our local bandwaggon jumper Phillip Davies MP. http://youtu.be/ROmD m5_1Rfc RollandSmoke
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5:00pm Thu 22 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

The Corby by election that Clear stood in was triggered after Former MP Louise Mensch angered the people of Corby when she stood down after just two years to move to New York with her family earlier this year. The news came out of the blue after she had appeared on BBC Question Time with John Lyndon and admitted to having used class A drugs.
http://youtu.be/Xj5R
5o-yhcc
Now as it seems that it is political suicide to declare an interest or admit to experience how the hell are we supposed to trust the politicians to have this debate on our behalf?
Here's the AP report on her resignation where the druggie wife of Matallica's manager is sat alongside our local bandwaggon jumper Phillip Davies MP.
http://youtu.be/ROmD
m5_1Rfc
The Corby by election that Clear stood in was triggered after Former MP Louise Mensch angered the people of Corby when she stood down after just two years to move to New York with her family earlier this year. The news came out of the blue after she had appeared on BBC Question Time with John Lyndon and admitted to having used class A drugs. http://youtu.be/Xj5R 5o-yhcc Now as it seems that it is political suicide to declare an interest or admit to experience how the hell are we supposed to trust the politicians to have this debate on our behalf? Here's the AP report on her resignation where the druggie wife of Matallica's manager is sat alongside our local bandwaggon jumper Phillip Davies MP. http://youtu.be/ROmD m5_1Rfc RollandSmoke
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7:29pm Thu 22 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

ASK YOUR SELF THIS


WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND ADVANCE SEARCHES..... HOW DOES DRUGS GET INTO THIS COUNTRY

ANSWER CRUPT LEADERS IN HIGH AUTHORITY ALLOW THE INFLUX OF SUCH SUBSTANCES INTO THE COUNTRY AND PREY ON GANG LEADERS TO MAKE THEM MONEY

SUCH AS BIG COMPANYS NOT PAYING TAXEX, WHILE THE SMALL COMPANY PAYS ALL PENNYS
ASK YOUR SELF THIS WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND ADVANCE SEARCHES..... HOW DOES DRUGS GET INTO THIS COUNTRY ANSWER CRUPT LEADERS IN HIGH AUTHORITY ALLOW THE INFLUX OF SUCH SUBSTANCES INTO THE COUNTRY AND PREY ON GANG LEADERS TO MAKE THEM MONEY SUCH AS BIG COMPANYS NOT PAYING TAXEX, WHILE THE SMALL COMPANY PAYS ALL PENNYS thruth9211
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7:48pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Albion. says...

thruth9211 wrote:
ASK YOUR SELF THIS


WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND ADVANCE SEARCHES..... HOW DOES DRUGS GET INTO THIS COUNTRY

ANSWER CRUPT LEADERS IN HIGH AUTHORITY ALLOW THE INFLUX OF SUCH SUBSTANCES INTO THE COUNTRY AND PREY ON GANG LEADERS TO MAKE THEM MONEY

SUCH AS BIG COMPANYS NOT PAYING TAXEX, WHILE THE SMALL COMPANY PAYS ALL PENNYS
It's almost as big a mystery as how people who can't spell are allowed on here.
[quote][p][bold]thruth9211[/bold] wrote: ASK YOUR SELF THIS WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND ADVANCE SEARCHES..... HOW DOES DRUGS GET INTO THIS COUNTRY ANSWER CRUPT LEADERS IN HIGH AUTHORITY ALLOW THE INFLUX OF SUCH SUBSTANCES INTO THE COUNTRY AND PREY ON GANG LEADERS TO MAKE THEM MONEY SUCH AS BIG COMPANYS NOT PAYING TAXEX, WHILE THE SMALL COMPANY PAYS ALL PENNYS[/p][/quote]It's almost as big a mystery as how people who can't spell are allowed on here. Albion.
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10:18am Fri 23 Nov 12

Gabbysgran says...

My dad had the right idea with drug addicts, get the authorities to collect all the Class A drugs they can, find a place the size of Wembley Stadium, fill it to the rafters with drugs, stick all the junkies in there and say "right you silly b**gers, kill ourselves"! Problem solved!
My dad had the right idea with drug addicts, get the authorities to collect all the Class A drugs they can, find a place the size of Wembley Stadium, fill it to the rafters with drugs, stick all the junkies in there and say "right you silly b**gers, kill ourselves"! Problem solved! Gabbysgran
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11:35am Fri 23 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Gabbysgran wrote:
My dad had the right idea with drug addicts, get the authorities to collect all the Class A drugs they can, find a place the size of Wembley Stadium, fill it to the rafters with drugs, stick all the junkies in there and say "right you silly b**gers, kill ourselves"! Problem solved!
Yes has the right idea. You can't protect people from themselves you can only try and reduce the risks for them and the damage they cause to society. If you filled Wembley with cannabis I'm sure many would go voluntarily but don't get too disappointed if no-one dies.
[quote][p][bold]Gabbysgran[/bold] wrote: My dad had the right idea with drug addicts, get the authorities to collect all the Class A drugs they can, find a place the size of Wembley Stadium, fill it to the rafters with drugs, stick all the junkies in there and say "right you silly b**gers, kill ourselves"! Problem solved![/p][/quote]Yes has the right idea. You can't protect people from themselves you can only try and reduce the risks for them and the damage they cause to society. If you filled Wembley with cannabis I'm sure many would go voluntarily but don't get too disappointed if no-one dies. RollandSmoke
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4:47pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Gabbysgran wrote:
My dad had the right idea with drug addicts, get the authorities to collect all the Class A drugs they can, find a place the size of Wembley Stadium, fill it to the rafters with drugs, stick all the junkies in there and say "right you silly b**gers, kill ourselves"! Problem solved!
Not drinkers then? Those violent, drink driving, street fighting, wife beating alcohol imbibing idiots?

Of course not, our lovely, fluffy government tells us it is ok to drink this in moderation.

BECAUSE THEY FILL THEIR COFFERS WITH THE TAX MONEY.

If there were no financial gain for the government from alcohol we would be thrown in jail for necking a nice malt.


Grow up people,
[quote][p][bold]Gabbysgran[/bold] wrote: My dad had the right idea with drug addicts, get the authorities to collect all the Class A drugs they can, find a place the size of Wembley Stadium, fill it to the rafters with drugs, stick all the junkies in there and say "right you silly b**gers, kill ourselves"! Problem solved![/p][/quote]Not drinkers then? Those violent, drink driving, street fighting, wife beating alcohol imbibing idiots? Of course not, our lovely, fluffy government tells us it is ok to drink this in moderation. BECAUSE THEY FILL THEIR COFFERS WITH THE TAX MONEY. If there were no financial gain for the government from alcohol we would be thrown in jail for necking a nice malt. Grow up people, Prisoner Cell Block A
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7:50pm Sat 24 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

lock those up who cannot handle alcohol

those that beat their wife coz of alcohol, those that drive reckless of alcohol, those that get raped cos of alcohol, no control of self and those that say to drink is good to drink
lock those up who cannot handle alcohol those that beat their wife coz of alcohol, those that drive reckless of alcohol, those that get raped cos of alcohol, no control of self and those that say to drink is good to drink thruth9211
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12:39pm Mon 26 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.
So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective. RollandSmoke
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1:21pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.
I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.[/p][/quote]I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that. Rob Higgie
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1:21pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.
I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.[/p][/quote]I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that. Rob Higgie
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1:22pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.
I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.[/p][/quote]I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that. Rob Higgie
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1:22pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Rob Higgie says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.
I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So Mr Higgie any chance of a progress report? Has the new Police Commissioner made good on his vow over the weekend or has it been business as usual? A cynical person (which I am) might think that all of this has just been a political stunt and no action will be taken because that was never the objective.[/p][/quote]I am waiting for a date to be set to meet our new commissioner. I will let you know how the project is progressing after that. Rob Higgie
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11:33am Tue 27 Nov 12

Another Landless Peasant says...

Having said all that, there's some nice African weed about at the moment, not quite as strong as Skunk but a nice high, quite a different hit to Skunk, and hardly any seeds, only found 2 in a 'teenth. Try it if you get chance, there seems to be a lot of it in Bradford right now as the Police have busted home-grow operations people are forced to turn to the imported stuff instead.
Having said all that, there's some nice African weed about at the moment, not quite as strong as Skunk but a nice high, quite a different hit to Skunk, and hardly any seeds, only found 2 in a 'teenth. Try it if you get chance, there seems to be a lot of it in Bradford right now as the Police have busted home-grow operations people are forced to turn to the imported stuff instead. Another Landless Peasant
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11:55am Tue 27 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

https://www.facebook
.com/pages/Bradford-
Cannabis-Club-18/394
350017258502
https://www.facebook .com/pages/Bradford- Cannabis-Club-18/394 350017258502 RollandSmoke
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5:27pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thruth9211 says...

well cleaning prostitutes will clean the streets

simple
well cleaning prostitutes will clean the streets simple thruth9211
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5:47pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Rob Higgie says...

I am pleased to be able to give some good news. A multi agency approach has been taken in the area. The results have been stunning; the drug problem has been successfully tackled. As a community we owe thanks to many different groups of people and agencies. It shows what can be done when a community works togethert o solve a problem.
Kind regards

Rob Higgie
I am pleased to be able to give some good news. A multi agency approach has been taken in the area. The results have been stunning; the drug problem has been successfully tackled. As a community we owe thanks to many different groups of people and agencies. It shows what can be done when a community works togethert o solve a problem. Kind regards Rob Higgie Rob Higgie
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