Capital bid to attract shops to share in £1 billion city future

Coun Dave Green ahead of the trip to London to promote the advantages of relocating to Bradford

Coun Dave Green ahead of the trip to London to promote the advantages of relocating to Bradford

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford Chief Reporter

A delegation of business and civic leaders will be in London this week armed with the message: “There’s never been a better time to invest in Bradford.”

Influential business leaders, including Dalton Phillips, the chief executive of Morrisons supermarkets, and Peter Miller, Westfield’s chief operating officer, will tell bosses of other national companies how they can benefit from Bradford’s City Centre Growth Zone which is planned to create 2,800 jobs within the next five years.

They will be joined at the presentation on Thursday by Bradford Council chief executive Tony Reeves and Council leader David Green with the aim of wooing major investors to the city.

The City Centre Growth Zone is being funded through a combination of £17.6 million from the Government's Regional Growth Fund and £17.2m from Bradford Council.

The zone will stimulate investment and private sector growth in the city centre through a range of incentives for new or existing businesses, including rate rebates for eligible businesses which create new jobs and access to superfast broadband.

Resources are also being ploughed into creating a skills programme to enable local people to benefit from new job opportunities.

Coun Green said: “By going to London we are getting our message out far and wide to people to come and invest in Bradford.

“We want to attract new businesses into Bradford and to support the expansion of existing ones with a view to taking up empty retail spaces and office space to develop a really unique city centre in terms of independent shops.

“We want people to take the offer of having more than retail space and taking upper floors for workshops and production, like having people working over the shop like they did 150 years ago.”

Mr Miller said that with the growing momentum behind his company’s Broadway development there had never been a better time for retailers to invest or open in Bradford.

He said it was an untapped chance for retailers with the potential to attract up to £1 billion of spending by shoppers in the city once the Broadway shopping centre had been built.

He said: “There are more than 6.2 million people within one hour’s drive of Bradford and it is the fourth largest metropolitian district in England.

“Public investment in the last two years has totalled more than £30m and this has been complimented by private sector investment of more than £65m. It is anticipated this will be enhanced by a further £260m investment through the Broadway scheme expected to start next year.”

News of the presentation comes as the British Retail Consortium yesterday reported that more than one in ten shops are empty across the country, with Yorkshire having about 15 per cent of retail premises lying empty.

In Bradford the empty shops rate is 17.15 per cent, but that has improved from a figure of 18.64 per cent last year.

Stephen Wright, president of Bradford Chamber of Commerce, said empty shop syndrome was something that was affecting the whole country, not just Bradford.

“The city needs a thriving heart, and that means a combination of shoppers and other visitors so that there is a hustle-and-bustle of activity,” he said.

City Park is helping to attract visitors but we also need to see as many of the empty units as possible filled again. We support the promotion of the City Centre Growth Zone in London but I know that existing city centre shops fear they could be over-shadowed by the aims and methods of the Growth Zone.”

Bradford Chamber of Trade secretary, Val Summerscales, said: “The growth fund is intended to support those relocating to the city centre and that is positive, but internet shopping and out-of-town centres have all had an adverse effect on town centres.”

Coun Green said the Council was well aware of the importance of working with the private sector to stimulate sustainable city centre growth.

“In Bradford we have recognised that the only way of addressing our local challenges is to work with the private sector to develop strategies to bring properties back into use,” he said.

“This is the basis behind the growth zone proposals but also one of the major reasons why the Council is bringing more of its staff into the city centre to increase footfall.

“I am aware that people want urgent action but we need to ensure that any growth is sustainable so that we are not continually firefighting to deal with short term solutions that fail to last.

“Investors need to know that the Council is committed to a long-term strategy that can support business growth and innovation and we are beginning to win that trust after years of neglect.”

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7:43am Tue 20 Nov 12

thatsnotmyname says...

Westfield telling other people to invest in Bradford?
Westfield telling other people to invest in Bradford? thatsnotmyname
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7:55am Tue 20 Nov 12

SinnerSaint says...

6.2 million people within an hour's drive of Bradford, most of whom wouldn't shop here if you paid them.
6.2 million people within an hour's drive of Bradford, most of whom wouldn't shop here if you paid them. SinnerSaint
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8:14am Tue 20 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Existing shops and business are excluded from this growth zone.
Watch them leave in droves when their lease is up. Bradford council thinking short term again.
Existing shops and business are excluded from this growth zone. Watch them leave in droves when their lease is up. Bradford council thinking short term again. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:17am Tue 20 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
6.2 million people within an hour's drive of Bradford, most of whom wouldn't shop here if you paid them.
Yes, it's probably not the best advertising line when it also means the 6.2 million are also within an hour of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham or Sheffield.

I see Green's promotion poster goes on about a £35m 'welcome package'
Last week's story said that £10m of this was move the cells and improve access to Westfield. I don't understand how that's a 'welcome package'
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: 6.2 million people within an hour's drive of Bradford, most of whom wouldn't shop here if you paid them.[/p][/quote]Yes, it's probably not the best advertising line when it also means the 6.2 million are also within an hour of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham or Sheffield. I see Green's promotion poster goes on about a £35m 'welcome package' Last week's story said that £10m of this was move the cells and improve access to Westfield. I don't understand how that's a 'welcome package' angry bradfordian
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8:30am Tue 20 Nov 12

DM says...

Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.
Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good. DM
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8:33am Tue 20 Nov 12

Z.Raja says...

Very big words and academic terminology. Well done. If this news was supplemented with the message that ALL THE STALL TYPE illegal retailing has been stopped with immediate affect and in future any such move will be heavily handed. A big drama is going on where the artists are highly paid council officials. This BAZARRI virus is more deadly than empty shop syndrome, internet shopping and out-of-town centres. Tell the investors that you are unable to protect legal businesses.
Very big words and academic terminology. Well done. If this news was supplemented with the message that ALL THE STALL TYPE illegal retailing has been stopped with immediate affect and in future any such move will be heavily handed. A big drama is going on where the artists are highly paid council officials. This BAZARRI virus is more deadly than empty shop syndrome, internet shopping and out-of-town centres. Tell the investors that you are unable to protect legal businesses. Z.Raja
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8:34am Tue 20 Nov 12

webess says...

I see the local moaning industry is still flourishing..
I see the local moaning industry is still flourishing.. webess
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8:35am Tue 20 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

DM wrote:
Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.
So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them.
How does that help them?
[quote][p][bold]DM[/bold] wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.[/p][/quote]So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them? Thee Voice of Reason
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8:37am Tue 20 Nov 12

Avro says...

"how they can benefit from Bradford’s City Centre Growth Zone which is planned to create 2,800 jobs within the next five years."

David Green failed to reveal exactly where the 2,800 jobs are, when in actual fact 2,500 will be Westfield jobs, on the basis that Westfield is up and runnning by the end of 2015 for it to qualify for £17.6m Regional Growth Fund money, which has been allocated to Westfield tenants as a rate relief scheme!
The wheels will most certainly fall off the city centre waggon should this deadline be missed.

In effect, it seems that the Council growth zone contribution of £17.2m will create just 300 jobs?
Someone is having a laugh, and this trip is nothing more than a "help us get Westfield built" trip, because the future of Bradford city centre is dependent on it!
"how they can benefit from Bradford’s City Centre Growth Zone which is planned to create 2,800 jobs within the next five years." David Green failed to reveal exactly where the 2,800 jobs are, when in actual fact 2,500 will be Westfield jobs, on the basis that Westfield is up and runnning by the end of 2015 for it to qualify for £17.6m Regional Growth Fund money, which has been allocated to Westfield tenants as a rate relief scheme! The wheels will most certainly fall off the city centre waggon should this deadline be missed. In effect, it seems that the Council growth zone contribution of £17.2m will create just 300 jobs? Someone is having a laugh, and this trip is nothing more than a "help us get Westfield built" trip, because the future of Bradford city centre is dependent on it! Avro
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8:47am Tue 20 Nov 12

Sally Way says...

Good luck guys.

Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down.

I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest.
Good luck guys. Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down. I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest. Sally Way
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9:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

dazp says...

Sally Way wrote:
Good luck guys.

Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down.

I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest.
well said Sally Westfield
[quote][p][bold]Sally Way[/bold] wrote: Good luck guys. Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down. I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest.[/p][/quote]well said Sally Westfield dazp
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9:12am Tue 20 Nov 12

Andy2010 says...

Just LOL

Good luck with that.

I was talking to a member of the Positive Bradford team at the weekend who stated the whole team had given up on attracting new businesses to the area due to lack of interest. The main reason here was due to the local workforce not being suitable in general for roles at blue chip companies especially with the proximity to Leeds and what their workforce had to offer.

Its just gone too far for Bradford now and i dont think no-one has the answers
Just LOL Good luck with that. I was talking to a member of the Positive Bradford team at the weekend who stated the whole team had given up on attracting new businesses to the area due to lack of interest. The main reason here was due to the local workforce not being suitable in general for roles at blue chip companies especially with the proximity to Leeds and what their workforce had to offer. Its just gone too far for Bradford now and i dont think no-one has the answers Andy2010
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9:15am Tue 20 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas! angry bradfordian
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9:16am Tue 20 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Wesfield believe it when I see it.
Wesfield believe it when I see it. Joedavid
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9:18am Tue 20 Nov 12

sam-tyler says...

Sally Way wrote:
Good luck guys.

Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down.

I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest.
So it was you who nicked Reno's pink glasses, was it? :)
[quote][p][bold]Sally Way[/bold] wrote: Good luck guys. Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down. I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest.[/p][/quote]So it was you who nicked Reno's pink glasses, was it? :) sam-tyler
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9:18am Tue 20 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

No mention of the Odeon, buy it Mr Green and get that restoration started to set an example that Bradford Council means Business.
No mention of the Odeon, buy it Mr Green and get that restoration started to set an example that Bradford Council means Business. Joedavid
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9:44am Tue 20 Nov 12

windymiller says...

Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic.
Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic. windymiller
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9:59am Tue 20 Nov 12

Avro says...

sam-tyler wrote:
Sally Way wrote:
Good luck guys.

Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down.

I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest.
So it was you who nicked Reno's pink glasses, was it? :)
She needs a reality check!
[quote][p][bold]sam-tyler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Way[/bold] wrote: Good luck guys. Don't let the regular moaning brigade bring you down. I genuinely agree Bradford is brilliant place to invest.[/p][/quote]So it was you who nicked Reno's pink glasses, was it? :)[/p][/quote]She needs a reality check! Avro
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10:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

windymiller wrote:
Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic.
It's an excellent point about Morrisons. Other than the mini-store in Ilkley when was the last time they 'invested' in the City?
All the other supermarkets have probably built new stores since the last new Morrisons and the last time they were in the news it was because they were closing down the accounts department. Why would any companies listen to them or Westfield when thinking of investing in the city?
[quote][p][bold]windymiller[/bold] wrote: Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic.[/p][/quote]It's an excellent point about Morrisons. Other than the mini-store in Ilkley when was the last time they 'invested' in the City? All the other supermarkets have probably built new stores since the last new Morrisons and the last time they were in the news it was because they were closing down the accounts department. Why would any companies listen to them or Westfield when thinking of investing in the city? angry bradfordian
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10:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

Avro says...

windymiller wrote:
Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic.
Morrisons recently reported that they were slowing down the expansion plans!
[quote][p][bold]windymiller[/bold] wrote: Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic.[/p][/quote]Morrisons recently reported that they were slowing down the expansion plans! Avro
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10:14am Tue 20 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
Haha I noticed that.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas![/p][/quote]Haha I noticed that. Thee Voice of Reason
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10:15am Tue 20 Nov 12

yorkshiredude says...

That 6.2 million people within an hour stat is quite irrelevant. Be interesting to hear how many people Bradford was nearest centre for and how many of them are of a social category that spend money...
That 6.2 million people within an hour stat is quite irrelevant. Be interesting to hear how many people Bradford was nearest centre for and how many of them are of a social category that spend money... yorkshiredude
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10:19am Tue 20 Nov 12

mad matt says...

Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip!
The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.
Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip! The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city. mad matt
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11:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

SinnerSaint says...

Seriously, if you were a large store chain would you want to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds fitting out a shop for what is basically a huge gamble on footfall and consumer spending in Bradford rising once Westfield opens?

I reckon 4 or 5 years after it opens, when all the rent and rates reductions and other enticements are finished, Westfield will be practically dead.
Seriously, if you were a large store chain would you want to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds fitting out a shop for what is basically a huge gamble on footfall and consumer spending in Bradford rising once Westfield opens? I reckon 4 or 5 years after it opens, when all the rent and rates reductions and other enticements are finished, Westfield will be practically dead. SinnerSaint
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11:07am Tue 20 Nov 12

Avro says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
Haha I noticed that.
Indeed a great advert for any prospective business thinking of locating in the city centre, and whilst David Green seems oblivious to what his photo portrays.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas![/p][/quote]Haha I noticed that.[/p][/quote]Indeed a great advert for any prospective business thinking of locating in the city centre, and whilst David Green seems oblivious to what his photo portrays. Avro
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11:10am Tue 20 Nov 12

Clowny says...

mad matt wrote:
Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip!
The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.
Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction.
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip! The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.[/p][/quote]Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction. Clowny
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11:14am Tue 20 Nov 12

Clowny says...

Avro wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
Haha I noticed that.
Indeed a great advert for any prospective business thinking of locating in the city centre, and whilst David Green seems oblivious to what his photo portrays.
Look closer I can count 9 people, do I win a prize?
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas![/p][/quote]Haha I noticed that.[/p][/quote]Indeed a great advert for any prospective business thinking of locating in the city centre, and whilst David Green seems oblivious to what his photo portrays.[/p][/quote]Look closer I can count 9 people, do I win a prize? Clowny
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11:16am Tue 20 Nov 12

Albion. says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
Haha I noticed that.
Me too! And the failed attempt to cover up the "you mugs" smirk on Green's face.
Someone mentioned late night opening on a Thursday night, leading up to Christmas, everywhere does that! and they have been doing it for years.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas![/p][/quote]Haha I noticed that.[/p][/quote]Me too! And the failed attempt to cover up the "you mugs" smirk on Green's face. Someone mentioned late night opening on a Thursday night, leading up to Christmas, everywhere does that! and they have been doing it for years. Albion.
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11:18am Tue 20 Nov 12

Albion. says...

Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
Haha I noticed that.
Me too! And the failed attempt to cover up the "you mugs" smirk on Green's face.
Someone mentioned late night opening on a Thursday night, leading up to Christmas, everywhere does that! and they have been doing it for years.
Has he got Sooty behind that poster?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas![/p][/quote]Haha I noticed that.[/p][/quote]Me too! And the failed attempt to cover up the "you mugs" smirk on Green's face. Someone mentioned late night opening on a Thursday night, leading up to Christmas, everywhere does that! and they have been doing it for years.[/p][/quote]Has he got Sooty behind that poster? Albion.
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11:46am Tue 20 Nov 12

g1ne says...

How about forgetting the Westfield project, and concentrating on the buildings we have...

The Kirkgate Centre is in need of a major external facelift, which in itself would attract new business...it's surrounding pedestrian streets could become covered over, providing an improved shopping experience.

Embracing it's victorian history and architecture could provide another source, re-fronting shopfaces, to create a organised themed "shopping" centre, and shopping quarters,not just random connecting streets, and shops and arranging proper christmas markets (none of those German nonsenses that Leeds always has), or the ones that over-crowd Darley St all year.

It's for council to start imposing things on businesses when planning proposals are made, rather than just accepting whatever is on the table in order to grab to money.
How about forgetting the Westfield project, and concentrating on the buildings we have... The Kirkgate Centre is in need of a major external facelift, which in itself would attract new business...it's surrounding pedestrian streets could become covered over, providing an improved shopping experience. Embracing it's victorian history and architecture could provide another source, re-fronting shopfaces, to create a organised themed "shopping" centre, and shopping quarters,not just random connecting streets, and shops and arranging proper christmas markets (none of those German nonsenses that Leeds always has), or the ones that over-crowd Darley St all year. It's for council to start imposing things on businesses when planning proposals are made, rather than just accepting whatever is on the table in order to grab to money. g1ne
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11:47am Tue 20 Nov 12

Avro says...

Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote:
The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
Haha I noticed that.
Me too! And the failed attempt to cover up the "you mugs" smirk on Green's face.
Someone mentioned late night opening on a Thursday night, leading up to Christmas, everywhere does that! and they have been doing it for years.
The city centre Thursday late nighter used to be thiving.....and where you can pin point its steady decline...since Broadway was demolished!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas![/p][/quote]Haha I noticed that.[/p][/quote]Me too! And the failed attempt to cover up the "you mugs" smirk on Green's face. Someone mentioned late night opening on a Thursday night, leading up to Christmas, everywhere does that! and they have been doing it for years.[/p][/quote]The city centre Thursday late nighter used to be thiving.....and where you can pin point its steady decline...since Broadway was demolished! Avro
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11:56am Tue 20 Nov 12

DM says...

Clowny wrote:
mad matt wrote:
Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip!
The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.
Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Well said Clowny. The city fathers must be turning in their graves if they had to read the negative, cynical stuff written on these feedback pages! It doesent help. There is no instant solution, nor a magic bullet but I would say let's please give due credence to people who are trying to make things better in this city, from councillors to shopkeepers to all the citizens who work hard and believe in the future. There are good initiatives and people working hard to implement them and whilst some may be cynical about schemes such as the Saltaire late night opening it is a lot of risk and hard work by shopkeepers who already work 6-7 days a week on often minimum wages or less. They are trying to create better opportunities and a more lively economy. Give them at that at least.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip! The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.[/p][/quote]Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction.[/p][/quote]Well said Clowny. The city fathers must be turning in their graves if they had to read the negative, cynical stuff written on these feedback pages! It doesent help. There is no instant solution, nor a magic bullet but I would say let's please give due credence to people who are trying to make things better in this city, from councillors to shopkeepers to all the citizens who work hard and believe in the future. There are good initiatives and people working hard to implement them and whilst some may be cynical about schemes such as the Saltaire late night opening it is a lot of risk and hard work by shopkeepers who already work 6-7 days a week on often minimum wages or less. They are trying to create better opportunities and a more lively economy. Give them at that at least. DM
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12:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Avro wrote:
windymiller wrote:
Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic.
Morrisons recently reported that they were slowing down the expansion plans!
Noticed the expansions at Enterprise 5 look as if stopped and Wickes have not closed as part of that.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]windymiller[/bold] wrote: Morrison's investing in Bradford? I thouigh that they were outsourcing many of their jobs from their headquarters to India!! The state of the M62 isn't going to help with getting new investors. Infrastructure, road systems, need to be sorted first otherwise any good work done in London will be bogged down in the traffic.[/p][/quote]Morrisons recently reported that they were slowing down the expansion plans![/p][/quote]Noticed the expansions at Enterprise 5 look as if stopped and Wickes have not closed as part of that. Joedavid
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12:12pm Tue 20 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

DM wrote:
Clowny wrote:
mad matt wrote:
Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip!
The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.
Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Well said Clowny. The city fathers must be turning in their graves if they had to read the negative, cynical stuff written on these feedback pages! It doesent help. There is no instant solution, nor a magic bullet but I would say let's please give due credence to people who are trying to make things better in this city, from councillors to shopkeepers to all the citizens who work hard and believe in the future. There are good initiatives and people working hard to implement them and whilst some may be cynical about schemes such as the Saltaire late night opening it is a lot of risk and hard work by shopkeepers who already work 6-7 days a week on often minimum wages or less. They are trying to create better opportunities and a more lively economy. Give them at that at least.
To be fair to David Green, he'd be getting more stick if he wasn't trying anything different.
I'd love his trip to succeed, but it's the constant management speak and contrasting statements that annoy me.

He talks about wooing major investors and then talks about the future being based on being working above the shop- what sort of major businesses do that?

He talks about 'empty shop syndrome' and must think none of us ever visit Leeds where they're building numerous new shopping centres or Manchester where the streets are packed.

He talks about City Park attracting new visitors despite the fact he's saying the shops are empty.

I'd love his trip to succeed but I'd much prefer if Green & MacRuari didn't issue statements that assume the Bradford public are all stupid or walk around with their eyes shut!
[quote][p][bold]DM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip! The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.[/p][/quote]Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction.[/p][/quote]Well said Clowny. The city fathers must be turning in their graves if they had to read the negative, cynical stuff written on these feedback pages! It doesent help. There is no instant solution, nor a magic bullet but I would say let's please give due credence to people who are trying to make things better in this city, from councillors to shopkeepers to all the citizens who work hard and believe in the future. There are good initiatives and people working hard to implement them and whilst some may be cynical about schemes such as the Saltaire late night opening it is a lot of risk and hard work by shopkeepers who already work 6-7 days a week on often minimum wages or less. They are trying to create better opportunities and a more lively economy. Give them at that at least.[/p][/quote]To be fair to David Green, he'd be getting more stick if he wasn't trying anything different. I'd love his trip to succeed, but it's the constant management speak and contrasting statements that annoy me. He talks about wooing major investors and then talks about the future being based on being working above the shop- what sort of major businesses do that? He talks about 'empty shop syndrome' and must think none of us ever visit Leeds where they're building numerous new shopping centres or Manchester where the streets are packed. He talks about City Park attracting new visitors despite the fact he's saying the shops are empty. I'd love his trip to succeed but I'd much prefer if Green & MacRuari didn't issue statements that assume the Bradford public are all stupid or walk around with their eyes shut! angry bradfordian
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12:15pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Andy2010 says...

Clowny wrote:
Avro wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
angry bradfordian wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas!
Haha I noticed that.
Indeed a great advert for any prospective business thinking of locating in the city centre, and whilst David Green seems oblivious to what his photo portrays.
Look closer I can count 9 people, do I win a prize?
Yes you do

The prize is £50 to spend in whichever shop bookies you feel like in the town centre

Those 9 were just walking back home after signing on so not technically shoppers
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: The photograph sums up the problems that the City Centre currently has. Bradford's main shopping street has FIVE people in shot, six weeks before Christmas![/p][/quote]Haha I noticed that.[/p][/quote]Indeed a great advert for any prospective business thinking of locating in the city centre, and whilst David Green seems oblivious to what his photo portrays.[/p][/quote]Look closer I can count 9 people, do I win a prize?[/p][/quote]Yes you do The prize is £50 to spend in whichever shop bookies you feel like in the town centre Those 9 were just walking back home after signing on so not technically shoppers Andy2010
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12:23pm Tue 20 Nov 12

cardman says...

I thought the council had already tried to get people back into the city by putting yellow lines down in all the surrounding villages i.e. Wibsey,Queensbury, thus forcing people back. David Green is only available if his picture can be taken!
I thought the council had already tried to get people back into the city by putting yellow lines down in all the surrounding villages i.e. Wibsey,Queensbury, thus forcing people back. David Green is only available if his picture can be taken! cardman
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12:31pm Tue 20 Nov 12

cardman says...

I thought the council had already tried to get people back into the city by putting yellow lines down in all the surrounding villages i.e. Wibsey,Queensbury, thus forcing people back.
I thought the council had already tried to get people back into the city by putting yellow lines down in all the surrounding villages i.e. Wibsey,Queensbury, thus forcing people back. cardman
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12:52pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

DM wrote:
Clowny wrote:
mad matt wrote: Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip! The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.
Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Well said Clowny. The city fathers must be turning in their graves if they had to read the negative, cynical stuff written on these feedback pages! It doesent help. There is no instant solution, nor a magic bullet but I would say let's please give due credence to people who are trying to make things better in this city, from councillors to shopkeepers to all the citizens who work hard and believe in the future. There are good initiatives and people working hard to implement them and whilst some may be cynical about schemes such as the Saltaire late night opening it is a lot of risk and hard work by shopkeepers who already work 6-7 days a week on often minimum wages or less. They are trying to create better opportunities and a more lively economy. Give them at that at least.
I think the City fathers are turning in their graves seeing the mess the City is currently in. Forget a few negative comments, they have come about after years and years of mismanagement.

You only have to go back to the 1990's and the City was a totally different place.
[quote][p][bold]DM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Looks to me as if Green and his cohorts are just on another ego trip! The only way to get things moving is to kick-start Westfield into action, and even then I doubt it will help the majority of businesses in the city.[/p][/quote]Actually to me it looks like a sincere effort to try and kick start some retail investment. I can't ever recall a council leader actively pushing for inward private investment, it is one of the areas where Bradford has failed in the past, other cities have promoted themselves for investment. I’d agree with some comments above that the sales pitch isn’t entirely honest as some of the money is already ringfenced, but it’s a step in the right direction.[/p][/quote]Well said Clowny. The city fathers must be turning in their graves if they had to read the negative, cynical stuff written on these feedback pages! It doesent help. There is no instant solution, nor a magic bullet but I would say let's please give due credence to people who are trying to make things better in this city, from councillors to shopkeepers to all the citizens who work hard and believe in the future. There are good initiatives and people working hard to implement them and whilst some may be cynical about schemes such as the Saltaire late night opening it is a lot of risk and hard work by shopkeepers who already work 6-7 days a week on often minimum wages or less. They are trying to create better opportunities and a more lively economy. Give them at that at least.[/p][/quote]I think the City fathers are turning in their graves seeing the mess the City is currently in. Forget a few negative comments, they have come about after years and years of mismanagement. You only have to go back to the 1990's and the City was a totally different place. Thee Voice of Reason
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1:06pm Tue 20 Nov 12

basil fawlty says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
DM wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.
So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?
The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DM[/bold] wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.[/p][/quote]So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?[/p][/quote]The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival. basil fawlty
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1:14pm Tue 20 Nov 12

basil fawlty says...

g1ne wrote:
How about forgetting the Westfield project, and concentrating on the buildings we have... The Kirkgate Centre is in need of a major external facelift, which in itself would attract new business...it's surrounding pedestrian streets could become covered over, providing an improved shopping experience. Embracing it's victorian history and architecture could provide another source, re-fronting shopfaces, to create a organised themed "shopping" centre, and shopping quarters,not just random connecting streets, and shops and arranging proper christmas markets (none of those German nonsenses that Leeds always has), or the ones that over-crowd Darley St all year. It's for council to start imposing things on businesses when planning proposals are made, rather than just accepting whatever is on the table in order to grab to money.
The main benefit of the Westfield project is that we will have much larger shops that will be able to sell the full range of stock that the existing smaller shops such those in the Kirkgate centre presently cant. The Kirkgate centre will have to refine itself after Westfield and become a place for more specialist shops.
[quote][p][bold]g1ne[/bold] wrote: How about forgetting the Westfield project, and concentrating on the buildings we have... The Kirkgate Centre is in need of a major external facelift, which in itself would attract new business...it's surrounding pedestrian streets could become covered over, providing an improved shopping experience. Embracing it's victorian history and architecture could provide another source, re-fronting shopfaces, to create a organised themed "shopping" centre, and shopping quarters,not just random connecting streets, and shops and arranging proper christmas markets (none of those German nonsenses that Leeds always has), or the ones that over-crowd Darley St all year. It's for council to start imposing things on businesses when planning proposals are made, rather than just accepting whatever is on the table in order to grab to money.[/p][/quote]The main benefit of the Westfield project is that we will have much larger shops that will be able to sell the full range of stock that the existing smaller shops such those in the Kirkgate centre presently cant. The Kirkgate centre will have to refine itself after Westfield and become a place for more specialist shops. basil fawlty
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1:16pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Andy2010 says...

basil fawlty wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
DM wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.
So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?
The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival.
Shops have nothing to do with it. Before focusing on shops they need to attract businesses to Bradford not retailors. With business comes jobs and disposable income and I dont mean more takeaways or trash businesses like Cash 4 Gold etc etc I mean financial sector, customer service or outsourcing.

Even the council must understand that if businesses come the shops will follow naturally. With the best will in the world you could open Westfield tomorrow and occupy every retail outlet in the city but it doesnt change the demographic of the area not the disposable income. Westfield understand this so why cant the council
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DM[/bold] wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.[/p][/quote]So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?[/p][/quote]The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival.[/p][/quote]Shops have nothing to do with it. Before focusing on shops they need to attract businesses to Bradford not retailors. With business comes jobs and disposable income and I dont mean more takeaways or trash businesses like Cash 4 Gold etc etc I mean financial sector, customer service or outsourcing. Even the council must understand that if businesses come the shops will follow naturally. With the best will in the world you could open Westfield tomorrow and occupy every retail outlet in the city but it doesnt change the demographic of the area not the disposable income. Westfield understand this so why cant the council Andy2010
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1:21pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Albion. says...

basil fawlty wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
DM wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.
So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?
The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival.
I would have thought that most of them will close down
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DM[/bold] wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.[/p][/quote]So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?[/p][/quote]The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival.[/p][/quote]I would have thought that most of them will close down Albion.
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1:21pm Tue 20 Nov 12

basil fawlty says...

Shops and other businesses go hand in hand, but you are less likely to get new businesses locating in the city centre iteself if theres a big hole, the centre is run down and the transport links are poor.
Shops and other businesses go hand in hand, but you are less likely to get new businesses locating in the city centre iteself if theres a big hole, the centre is run down and the transport links are poor. basil fawlty
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2:35pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Albion. wrote:
basil fawlty wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
DM wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.
So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?
The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival.
I would have thought that most of them will close down
Move the Bazars into them no need for planning permissions.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DM[/bold] wrote: Bringing added investment into the city, and therefore extra jobs and footfall, will surely help existing businesses. Taking a persistently negative line, like the other contributors here, isnt going to help anyone. What I am interested in is positive initiatives, such as the working/living above the shop idea which helps create extra work space and brings people into the centre and initiastives by shops - eg the recent Thursday late opening before Christmas by Saltaire shops which should be applauded. Good luck to David Green and the team. Some of us are backing you to the hilt and hope that the feedback is good.[/p][/quote]So those loyal to Bradford who are excluded from this growth zone have similar shops open up not far from them who are benefiting from the growth zone and therefore have lower overheads than the existing shops and therefore can undercut them. How does that help them?[/p][/quote]The major need for Bradford is to bring additional shoppers into the City and that wont happen until we have the new Werstfield centre as the main attraction. Otherwise the City will continue to under perform. The existing shops will benefit in the medium and longer term when the city has a revival.[/p][/quote]I would have thought that most of them will close down[/p][/quote]Move the Bazars into them no need for planning permissions. Joedavid
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3:07pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Danstarr69 says...

We don't want more people moving to Bradford. There's no jobs as it is. Advantages for the Londoners, disadvantages for Bradfordians!
We don't want more people moving to Bradford. There's no jobs as it is. Advantages for the Londoners, disadvantages for Bradfordians! Danstarr69
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3:10pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Brannigan says...

Bfd centre is a dump with the exception of City Park. A huge scarcity of decent shops and eateries. Little visibility of families shopping but plenty of wide eyed drug zombies roaming the streets. Therefore this is a welcome initiative to bring investment to the city. The deals on offer to potential investors are attractive and with no real competition it should prove a winner to new businesses. The very best of luck to the Bradford team in this most worthwhile venture.
Bfd centre is a dump with the exception of City Park. A huge scarcity of decent shops and eateries. Little visibility of families shopping but plenty of wide eyed drug zombies roaming the streets. Therefore this is a welcome initiative to bring investment to the city. The deals on offer to potential investors are attractive and with no real competition it should prove a winner to new businesses. The very best of luck to the Bradford team in this most worthwhile venture. Brannigan
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3:56pm Tue 20 Nov 12

thoughtout says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Westfield telling other people to invest in Bradford?
did make me giggle as well
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: Westfield telling other people to invest in Bradford?[/p][/quote]did make me giggle as well thoughtout
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4:54pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Tinybantam says...

There is nothing that can save Bradford. All that potential investors have to do, is walk around what is left of the city and they will be out of here faster than a chav spends his dole cheque. There is more chance of finding Elvis alive on the moon, driving a London bus, than there is of serious companies investing in what is now a total dump. Thanks, to the various councillors who have, over the previous thirty or forty years, allowed our once great city to be vandalised and destroyed.
There is nothing that can save Bradford. All that potential investors have to do, is walk around what is left of the city and they will be out of here faster than a chav spends his dole cheque. There is more chance of finding Elvis alive on the moon, driving a London bus, than there is of serious companies investing in what is now a total dump. Thanks, to the various councillors who have, over the previous thirty or forty years, allowed our once great city to be vandalised and destroyed. Tinybantam
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5:21pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Sashaboo2005 says...

Why every week do we hear something positive about Bradford but nothing ever materializes . I got fed up of false promises and have done what I should have done years ago moved to a prosperous , low unemployment , virtually no crime & proud city in the south of England . I miss my hometown of 50 years but not all the crime & deprovation this once proud city as inherited . I really hope Bradford can prosper and become a thriving city of the future so all my family & friends still living there can say I told you so .
Why every week do we hear something positive about Bradford but nothing ever materializes . I got fed up of false promises and have done what I should have done years ago moved to a prosperous , low unemployment , virtually no crime & proud city in the south of England . I miss my hometown of 50 years but not all the crime & deprovation this once proud city as inherited . I really hope Bradford can prosper and become a thriving city of the future so all my family & friends still living there can say I told you so . Sashaboo2005
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10:05pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Shelfrhino says...

Bradford started to die in the Seventies, got worse in the Eighties then reached terminal decline in the Nineties and now it's finally sinking in, a good part of your population has no interest whatsoever in seeing Bradford prosper in the usual sense of the word.
Bradford started to die in the Seventies, got worse in the Eighties then reached terminal decline in the Nineties and now it's finally sinking in, a good part of your population has no interest whatsoever in seeing Bradford prosper in the usual sense of the word. Shelfrhino
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10:54pm Tue 20 Nov 12

yorkshiredude says...

'once great city' - always one for the T&A Comment bingo.
'once great city' - always one for the T&A Comment bingo. yorkshiredude
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3:39pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Idlelord says...

At the risk of appearing cynical perhaps Green just fancies some decent Xmas shopping down in the Smoke on you & I? In the same edition, 25 years ago a deal reported to turn Odsal into the "Wembley of the North". Cant believe they shut down The Beano and the T&A keeps going.
At the risk of appearing cynical perhaps Green just fancies some decent Xmas shopping down in the Smoke on you & I? In the same edition, 25 years ago a deal reported to turn Odsal into the "Wembley of the North". Cant believe they shut down The Beano and the T&A keeps going. Idlelord
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