Labour wins West Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner election

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: West Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson West Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson

The former chairman of West Yorkshire Police Authority, Mark Burns-Williamson, was tonight voted in as West Yorkshire’s first Police and Crime Commissioner.

The Labour candidate polled 102,817 votes, more than twice that of his nearest rival Independent candidate Cedric Christie, who gained 49,299 votes.

But a second preference count had to be held as no candidate had enjoyed more than 50 per cent of the vote.

The final result was announced at about 6.45pm with the combined first and second choice preferences leaving Coun Burns-Williamson a clear winner with 114,736 votes compared to 71,876 for Mr Christie.

Conservative candidate Councillor Geraldine Carter came third polling 45,365 first choice votes, leaving Councillor Andrew Marchington trailing in last place for the Liberal Democrats with 17,247 first choice votes.

There were 8,277 spoiled ballot papers.

The overall turn-out in West Yorkshire was 13.3 per cent, though it was slightly higher in Bradford at 13.8 per cent.

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7:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mik_e says...

The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.
The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in. Mik_e

7:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Yorkshire Lass says...

In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information.
In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information. Yorkshire Lass

7:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Less than 14% turnout shows what a joke and waste of time people thought this was and how little confidence they have in the system.
Less than 14% turnout shows what a joke and waste of time people thought this was and how little confidence they have in the system. Thee Voice of Reason

7:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Cityman23 says...

Mik_e wrote:
The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.
It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on
servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts.


The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way.

I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to.

It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one!
[quote][p][bold]Mik_e[/bold] wrote: The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.[/p][/quote]It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts. The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way. I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to. It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one! Cityman23

8:12pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Political parties moving into powerful positions at the police, thats the last thing we need. All this fella will do is blame the current government when things go wrong as its the easiest thing to do.
Political parties moving into powerful positions at the police, thats the last thing we need. All this fella will do is blame the current government when things go wrong as its the easiest thing to do. Thee Voice of Reason

8:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

passionate says...

Cityman23 wrote:
Mik_e wrote:
The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.
It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on

servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts.


The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way.

I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to.

It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one!
What an idiot. Privatisation is proven to make services more efficien and in light of the need to save billions of pounds how can that be a bad thing irrespective of whether people make money out of it??
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mik_e[/bold] wrote: The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.[/p][/quote]It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts. The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way. I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to. It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one![/p][/quote]What an idiot. Privatisation is proven to make services more efficien and in light of the need to save billions of pounds how can that be a bad thing irrespective of whether people make money out of it?? passionate

8:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

Best candidate won.

He pledged to cut crime rather than officers. The Conservative candidate pledged to cut costs (presumably officers).

He also looks to be the best qualified too.
Best candidate won. He pledged to cut crime rather than officers. The Conservative candidate pledged to cut costs (presumably officers). He also looks to be the best qualified too. andrewbradford

8:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

passionate wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
Mik_e wrote:
The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.
It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on


servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts.


The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way.

I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to.

It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one!
What an idiot. Privatisation is proven to make services more efficien and in light of the need to save billions of pounds how can that be a bad thing irrespective of whether people make money out of it??
Privatisation isn't always proven to make services more efficient. Look at G4S and the Olympics!
[quote][p][bold]passionate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mik_e[/bold] wrote: The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.[/p][/quote]It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts. The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way. I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to. It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one![/p][/quote]What an idiot. Privatisation is proven to make services more efficien and in light of the need to save billions of pounds how can that be a bad thing irrespective of whether people make money out of it??[/p][/quote]Privatisation isn't always proven to make services more efficient. Look at G4S and the Olympics! andrewbradford

8:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

In my opinion the best candidate didn't win.
Why political parties are being elected to run the police is fundementally wrong and it appears the public agree by not voting in massive numbers.
The bestman for the job should be given the job and he/she should not be elected on political grounds with party agenders.
The title Labour wins says it all, party political bias will now be in every decision rather than an impartial commisioner who is best qualified for the job.
In my opinion the best candidate didn't win. Why political parties are being elected to run the police is fundementally wrong and it appears the public agree by not voting in massive numbers. The bestman for the job should be given the job and he/she should not be elected on political grounds with party agenders. The title Labour wins says it all, party political bias will now be in every decision rather than an impartial commisioner who is best qualified for the job. Thee Voice of Reason

8:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
In my opinion the best candidate didn't win.
Why political parties are being elected to run the police is fundementally wrong and it appears the public agree by not voting in massive numbers.
The bestman for the job should be given the job and he/she should not be elected on political grounds with party agenders.
The title Labour wins says it all, party political bias will now be in every decision rather than an impartial commisioner who is best qualified for the job.
Politics aside, who would you vote for?

- The candidate that has been the Chairman of the police Authority for almost 10 years and a member for over 10 years.

- The candidate that had been a member of the Police Authority for a few years.

- The candidate that has been a member of the Police Authority for less than 2 years.

- The candidate that claims that the police are not honest, not fair and work outside of the law.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: In my opinion the best candidate didn't win. Why political parties are being elected to run the police is fundementally wrong and it appears the public agree by not voting in massive numbers. The bestman for the job should be given the job and he/she should not be elected on political grounds with party agenders. The title Labour wins says it all, party political bias will now be in every decision rather than an impartial commisioner who is best qualified for the job.[/p][/quote]Politics aside, who would you vote for? - The candidate that has been the Chairman of the police Authority for almost 10 years and a member for over 10 years. - The candidate that had been a member of the Police Authority for a few years. - The candidate that has been a member of the Police Authority for less than 2 years. - The candidate that claims that the police are not honest, not fair and work outside of the law. andrewbradford

8:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

Too political for my liking .
Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke .
Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you.
A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ! Mike Strutter

8:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Too political for my liking .
Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke .
Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you.
A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel!

The Police isn't a Private Company either!
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either! andrewbradford

8:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

justjustice says...

Wow a politically based police force, wasnt it like that in Nazi Germany?!
Wow a politically based police force, wasnt it like that in Nazi Germany?! justjustice

9:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12

justjustice says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Best candidate won.

He pledged to cut crime rather than officers. The Conservative candidate pledged to cut costs (presumably officers).

He also looks to be the best qualified too.
The Labour party promised us a lot, and they nearly bankrupted the nation and put us all in this current situation!

You can blame the Conservative and LibDems all you want, cuts had to be made one way or another. Just be glad it was all discovered before the country did become bankrupt!
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: Best candidate won. He pledged to cut crime rather than officers. The Conservative candidate pledged to cut costs (presumably officers). He also looks to be the best qualified too.[/p][/quote]The Labour party promised us a lot, and they nearly bankrupted the nation and put us all in this current situation! You can blame the Conservative and LibDems all you want, cuts had to be made one way or another. Just be glad it was all discovered before the country did become bankrupt! justjustice

9:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

passionate wrote:
Cityman23 wrote:
Mik_e wrote: The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.
It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts. The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way. I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to. It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one!
What an idiot. Privatisation is proven to make services more efficien and in light of the need to save billions of pounds how can that be a bad thing irrespective of whether people make money out of it??
Gas,Electric,Water,R
ailways, all privatised by Thatcher all ripping the general public off as they are basically running a cartel fixing prices, of course it was the banks that got us in the trouble financial state were in lending money they risked they may not get back (remember 125% loans for mortgages) also the latest libor rate scandal manipulating the rates to benefit the banks you would have thought they would learned !!, and needless to say the outrageous miss selling of PPI, did the last Labour government also get Greece,Ireland,Portu
gal,Spain, and America ETC in their current terrible financial state,no it was the likes of Lloyds, Royal Bank Of Scotland who we tax payers had to bail out just as in America Fannie Mae,Freddie Mac,AIG,and Bank of America where also bailed out by the American tax payer, it's a WORLD recession or do you just watch Prime Minister Question Time where Cameron comes out with that same crap.
[quote][p][bold]passionate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mik_e[/bold] wrote: The future will show that voters have made a mistake. This man did not reply to any sensible & valid emails that I sent to him. Don't forget that it was the last Labour goverment that got the UK into the current terrible financial state that it is in.[/p][/quote]It was the 'C'onservative/'c'on servative bankers/financiers who got Britain into a 'terrible financial state.' These greedy people keen to profit at at any price, are still living it up, (with the tax reduction -50% to 45% -given to them by their coalition representatives in Parliament) whilst ordinary people are expected to bear the brunt of 'austerity' cuts. The previous Labour govt. should have regulated these people more, but let's not pretend the Tories would have 'regulated' them in any way. I sent one email to the Labour candidate asking him about his stance on privatisation of parts of the police force. (The Tories are desperate to privatise parts of the NHS and in Education..so their 'friends' can make profits so the Police is a logical extension for them. The Labour man gave his pledge to oppose this, which I certainly will hold him to. It was necessary to give the coaltion a 'bl***y nose, and thankfully at Corby and around the country in the police elections..they got one![/p][/quote]What an idiot. Privatisation is proven to make services more efficien and in light of the need to save billions of pounds how can that be a bad thing irrespective of whether people make money out of it??[/p][/quote]Gas,Electric,Water,R ailways, all privatised by Thatcher all ripping the general public off as they are basically running a cartel fixing prices, of course it was the banks that got us in the trouble financial state were in lending money they risked they may not get back (remember 125% loans for mortgages) also the latest libor rate scandal manipulating the rates to benefit the banks you would have thought they would learned !!, and needless to say the outrageous miss selling of PPI, did the last Labour government also get Greece,Ireland,Portu gal,Spain, and America ETC in their current terrible financial state,no it was the likes of Lloyds, Royal Bank Of Scotland who we tax payers had to bail out just as in America Fannie Mae,Freddie Mac,AIG,and Bank of America where also bailed out by the American tax payer, it's a WORLD recession or do you just watch Prime Minister Question Time where Cameron comes out with that same crap. nowt fresh

9:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

justjustice wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Best candidate won.

He pledged to cut crime rather than officers. The Conservative candidate pledged to cut costs (presumably officers).

He also looks to be the best qualified too.
The Labour party promised us a lot, and they nearly bankrupted the nation and put us all in this current situation!

You can blame the Conservative and LibDems all you want, cuts had to be made one way or another. Just be glad it was all discovered before the country did become bankrupt!
I'm not really a fan of politics, but it's crazy to blame the current economic climate solely on Labour, it was a global or at least European wide recession.

I also didn't see the Tories of Lib Dems campaigning for more regulation of the financial industries (would the tories really ever be in favour of regulation?)

I understand that cuts have to be made, but i'd rather look to collect tax from companies like Starbucks, google, amazon, vodaphone, Philip Green's empire etc...
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: Best candidate won. He pledged to cut crime rather than officers. The Conservative candidate pledged to cut costs (presumably officers). He also looks to be the best qualified too.[/p][/quote]The Labour party promised us a lot, and they nearly bankrupted the nation and put us all in this current situation! You can blame the Conservative and LibDems all you want, cuts had to be made one way or another. Just be glad it was all discovered before the country did become bankrupt![/p][/quote]I'm not really a fan of politics, but it's crazy to blame the current economic climate solely on Labour, it was a global or at least European wide recession. I also didn't see the Tories of Lib Dems campaigning for more regulation of the financial industries (would the tories really ever be in favour of regulation?) I understand that cuts have to be made, but i'd rather look to collect tax from companies like Starbucks, google, amazon, vodaphone, Philip Green's empire etc... andrewbradford

9:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Too political for my liking .
Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke .
Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you.
A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel!

The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy.
I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this.
Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout.
The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner Thee Voice of Reason

9:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information.
You obviously have a PC why not go online and read about the candidates yourself does everything have to be given to you !! poor excuse.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information.[/p][/quote]You obviously have a PC why not go online and read about the candidates yourself does everything have to be given to you !! poor excuse. nowt fresh

9:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Too political for my liking .
Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke .
Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you.
A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel!

The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy.
I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this.
Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout.
The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch.

I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more. andrewbradford

9:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

nowt fresh wrote:
Yorkshire Lass wrote:
In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information.
You obviously have a PC why not go online and read about the candidates yourself does everything have to be given to you !! poor excuse.
Not everyone has a computer and not everyone is computer literate.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information.[/p][/quote]You obviously have a PC why not go online and read about the candidates yourself does everything have to be given to you !! poor excuse.[/p][/quote]Not everyone has a computer and not everyone is computer literate. andrewbradford

9:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Too political for my liking .
Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke .
Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you.
A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel!

The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Yep but a panel should be able to pick the best person for the job not a minority who voted for party colours !

Of course the police aren't a private company you numpty, totally miss my point doh !

I wonder how many of these stooges are members of common purpose ?
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Yep but a panel should be able to pick the best person for the job not a minority who voted for party colours ! Of course the police aren't a private company you numpty, totally miss my point doh ! I wonder how many of these stooges are members of common purpose ? Mike Strutter

9:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
No political party will give us a referendum on europe unless the terms of a new treaty/agreement is so bias against the UK that the party in power at the time dare not be party to signing the new treaty/agreement, as you say TVOR the turn out for that vote would be very interesting !!.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]No political party will give us a referendum on europe unless the terms of a new treaty/agreement is so bias against the UK that the party in power at the time dare not be party to signing the new treaty/agreement, as you say TVOR the turn out for that vote would be very interesting !!. nowt fresh

9:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Too political for my liking .
Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke .
Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you.
A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel!

The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy.
I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this.
Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout.
The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch.

I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then !

They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch

We are all doomed !

Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with,

Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper Mike Strutter

9:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

andrewbradford wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Yorkshire Lass wrote: In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information.
You obviously have a PC why not go online and read about the candidates yourself does everything have to be given to you !! poor excuse.
Not everyone has a computer and not everyone is computer literate.
Damian Green was on TV today saying there was an 0800 (free phone number) that the general public could ring and find out about all candidates ? most people can use telephones if they can't use PC as I said above if your interested (which is a different arguement) you can find out the relivant information,poor excuse from YorkshireLass "The public have been given very little or in some cases no information"
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: In view of the small turnout for this election I would say that winning is nothing to be proud of. The public have been given very little or in some cases no information.[/p][/quote]You obviously have a PC why not go online and read about the candidates yourself does everything have to be given to you !! poor excuse.[/p][/quote]Not everyone has a computer and not everyone is computer literate.[/p][/quote]Damian Green was on TV today saying there was an 0800 (free phone number) that the general public could ring and find out about all candidates ? most people can use telephones if they can't use PC as I said above if your interested (which is a different arguement) you can find out the relivant information,poor excuse from YorkshireLass "The public have been given very little or in some cases no information" nowt fresh

9:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

Question for Labour fan boy :

Was the global recession to blame when Brown was selling off the Uk gold reserves at rock bottom prices or whilst he was plundering uk pension schemes ?
Question for Labour fan boy : Was the global recession to blame when Brown was selling off the Uk gold reserves at rock bottom prices or whilst he was plundering uk pension schemes ? Mike Strutter

9:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
So America,Ireland,Spai
n,Greece,Italy,Portu
gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper[/p][/quote]So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee. nowt fresh

10:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

What's really amusing about the financial crisis is that here the Tories blame Labour who were in power at the time yet in America the Demarcates (Labour) blame the Republicans (Tories) who were in power at thetime :-)) so may be there is little differance between the parties.
What's really amusing about the financial crisis is that here the Tories blame Labour who were in power at the time yet in America the Demarcates (Labour) blame the Republicans (Tories) who were in power at thetime :-)) so may be there is little differance between the parties. nowt fresh

10:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

nowt fresh wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
So America,Ireland,Spai

n,Greece,Italy,Portu

gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.
Blue tinted glasses ?

Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us.

They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal.

Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper[/p][/quote]So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.[/p][/quote]Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer . Mike Strutter

10:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Question for Labour fan boy :

Was the global recession to blame when Brown was selling off the Uk gold reserves at rock bottom prices or whilst he was plundering uk pension schemes ?
Sorry Tory boy. I've never said that Labour are perfect. I just think that they are the best of a bad bunch.

The gold reserves were sold to pay off debt. He got a fair price when prices were falling. At the time nobody seemed to be criticising the sale as other governments were also selling their reserves.

In hindsight it was not a good move, but the government had to try and reduce it's debt rather than speculate as to when gold prices would stop falling.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Question for Labour fan boy : Was the global recession to blame when Brown was selling off the Uk gold reserves at rock bottom prices or whilst he was plundering uk pension schemes ?[/p][/quote]Sorry Tory boy. I've never said that Labour are perfect. I just think that they are the best of a bad bunch. The gold reserves were sold to pay off debt. He got a fair price when prices were falling. At the time nobody seemed to be criticising the sale as other governments were also selling their reserves. In hindsight it was not a good move, but the government had to try and reduce it's debt rather than speculate as to when gold prices would stop falling. andrewbradford

10:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
So America,Ireland,Spai


n,Greece,Italy,Portu


gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.
Blue tinted glasses ?

Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us.

They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal.

Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .
Reckless spending?

They had 2 decades of underinvestment in public services to make up for at a time when we lagged behind Europe in the % of GDP spent on education, health and pensions.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper[/p][/quote]So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.[/p][/quote]Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .[/p][/quote]Reckless spending? They had 2 decades of underinvestment in public services to make up for at a time when we lagged behind Europe in the % of GDP spent on education, health and pensions. andrewbradford

10:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Question for Labour fan boy :

Was the global recession to blame when Brown was selling off the Uk gold reserves at rock bottom prices or whilst he was plundering uk pension schemes ?
Sorry Tory boy. I've never said that Labour are perfect. I just think that they are the best of a bad bunch.

The gold reserves were sold to pay off debt. He got a fair price when prices were falling. At the time nobody seemed to be criticising the sale as other governments were also selling their reserves.

In hindsight it was not a good move, but the government had to try and reduce it's debt rather than speculate as to when gold prices would stop falling.
Not a Tory boy as you put it, try harder son
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Question for Labour fan boy : Was the global recession to blame when Brown was selling off the Uk gold reserves at rock bottom prices or whilst he was plundering uk pension schemes ?[/p][/quote]Sorry Tory boy. I've never said that Labour are perfect. I just think that they are the best of a bad bunch. The gold reserves were sold to pay off debt. He got a fair price when prices were falling. At the time nobody seemed to be criticising the sale as other governments were also selling their reserves. In hindsight it was not a good move, but the government had to try and reduce it's debt rather than speculate as to when gold prices would stop falling.[/p][/quote]Not a Tory boy as you put it, try harder son Mike Strutter

11:03pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
So America,Ireland,Spai



n,Greece,Italy,Portu



gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.
Blue tinted glasses ?

Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us.

They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal.

Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .
Reckless spending?

They had 2 decades of underinvestment in public services to make up for at a time when we lagged behind Europe in the % of GDP spent on education, health and pensions.
Yep reckless spending, go take a look at the accounts of numerous Quangos and then come back to me and convince me that reckless spending wasn't common place.
Have a look at procurement policies and spending on IT systems and come back to me on that too.
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper[/p][/quote]So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.[/p][/quote]Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .[/p][/quote]Reckless spending? They had 2 decades of underinvestment in public services to make up for at a time when we lagged behind Europe in the % of GDP spent on education, health and pensions.[/p][/quote]Yep reckless spending, go take a look at the accounts of numerous Quangos and then come back to me and convince me that reckless spending wasn't common place. Have a look at procurement policies and spending on IT systems and come back to me on that too. Mike Strutter

11:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andrewbradford says...

If you are not a tory boy, then why are you constantly defending them?
If you are not a tory boy, then why are you constantly defending them? andrewbradford

7:18am Sat 17 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

andrewbradford wrote:
If you are not a tory boy, then why are you constantly defending them?
I'm not defending them, if you ready posts I have criticised Liebour , not once have I nailed my colours to the mast unlike you.
You're the one unashamedly supporting a political party.
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: If you are not a tory boy, then why are you constantly defending them?[/p][/quote]I'm not defending them, if you ready posts I have criticised Liebour , not once have I nailed my colours to the mast unlike you. You're the one unashamedly supporting a political party. Mike Strutter

9:09am Sat 17 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.
Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .
Could not win an election, so who did win the last general election ??, if the Tories could not win an over all majority after such a disastrous situation Labour left them in (as you say) then God help the Tories in 2015 when after 5 years in government we will still have over 2 million unemployed (but that's not surprising under the Tories) remember Norman Lamont's famous catch phrase "unemployment is a price worth paying" nearly as good a catch phrase as David Cameron's" were all in it together" tell that to the millionaires who have had their tax cut from 50p in the pound to 45p in the pound giving them a £40,000 increase whilst others have had their benefits' cut,and the likes of Starbucks,Google,Ama
zon,not paying there fair share of tax, besides the promise that they would sort out the massive immigration problem ? just last week there was an article saying the government might give amnesty to illegal immigrants because the backlog was so great this was a policy supported by Boris Johnson,an see you have not replied to my comment about the world recession that Labour caused not the finacial institutes.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper[/p][/quote]So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.[/p][/quote]Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .[/p][/quote]Could not win an election, so who did win the last general election ??, if the Tories could not win an over all majority after such a disastrous situation Labour left them in (as you say) then God help the Tories in 2015 when after 5 years in government we will still have over 2 million unemployed (but that's not surprising under the Tories) remember Norman Lamont's famous catch phrase "unemployment is a price worth paying" nearly as good a catch phrase as David Cameron's" were all in it together" tell that to the millionaires who have had their tax cut from 50p in the pound to 45p in the pound giving them a £40,000 increase whilst others have had their benefits' cut,and the likes of Starbucks,Google,Ama zon,not paying there fair share of tax, besides the promise that they would sort out the massive immigration problem ? just last week there was an article saying the government might give amnesty to illegal immigrants because the backlog was so great this was a policy supported by Boris Johnson,an see you have not replied to my comment about the world recession that Labour caused not the finacial institutes. nowt fresh

1:19pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Neil Wilby says...

I would like to thank everyone who supported Cedric Christie.

With a very small team, no political inclinations or knowledge and only 4 weeks from nomination to election day to execute a campaign, we managed to take the Labour candidate - with his army of canvassers and high profile MP's - to a second count.

This is an election that will, in general terms, be remembered for all the wrong reasons. It was a farce from start to finish: Even more excruciatingly, if you were in the middle of it with barrier after barrier put in front of independent candidates.

However, it is better to leave the process on a positive note and do that with thanks to the PARO office and all the vote counters and their organising teams who did a brilliant job on Thursday night and through two counts on Friday.
I would like to thank everyone who supported Cedric Christie. With a very small team, no political inclinations or knowledge and only 4 weeks from nomination to election day to execute a campaign, we managed to take the Labour candidate - with his army of canvassers and high profile MP's - to a second count. This is an election that will, in general terms, be remembered for all the wrong reasons. It was a farce from start to finish: Even more excruciatingly, if you were in the middle of it with barrier after barrier put in front of independent candidates. However, it is better to leave the process on a positive note and do that with thanks to the PARO office and all the vote counters and their organising teams who did a brilliant job on Thursday night and through two counts on Friday. Neil Wilby

1:55pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Reality001 says...

Neil Wilby wrote:
I would like to thank everyone who supported Cedric Christie.

With a very small team, no political inclinations or knowledge and only 4 weeks from nomination to election day to execute a campaign, we managed to take the Labour candidate - with his army of canvassers and high profile MP's - to a second count.

This is an election that will, in general terms, be remembered for all the wrong reasons. It was a farce from start to finish: Even more excruciatingly, if you were in the middle of it with barrier after barrier put in front of independent candidates.

However, it is better to leave the process on a positive note and do that with thanks to the PARO office and all the vote counters and their organising teams who did a brilliant job on Thursday night and through two counts on Friday.
If he had no political inclination why did he attend a Respect Party fund raising even with George Galloway
[quote][p][bold]Neil Wilby[/bold] wrote: I would like to thank everyone who supported Cedric Christie. With a very small team, no political inclinations or knowledge and only 4 weeks from nomination to election day to execute a campaign, we managed to take the Labour candidate - with his army of canvassers and high profile MP's - to a second count. This is an election that will, in general terms, be remembered for all the wrong reasons. It was a farce from start to finish: Even more excruciatingly, if you were in the middle of it with barrier after barrier put in front of independent candidates. However, it is better to leave the process on a positive note and do that with thanks to the PARO office and all the vote counters and their organising teams who did a brilliant job on Thursday night and through two counts on Friday.[/p][/quote]If he had no political inclination why did he attend a Respect Party fund raising even with George Galloway Reality001

2:08pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Reality001 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
So America,Ireland,Spai


n,Greece,Italy,Portu


gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.
Blue tinted glasses ?

Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us.

They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal.

Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .
It was not Government spending that brought this country to its knees.

It was the recklessness of the British public to go into debt, banks were having to borrow money from the SubPrime Market in North America to fund 110% mortgages so people could spend stupid prices on houses.

When the sub prime market collapsed the Government had to bail the banks out otherwise the public would have been unable to withdraw money from their accounts, because the banks didn't have any more money to give out.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper[/p][/quote]So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.[/p][/quote]Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .[/p][/quote]It was not Government spending that brought this country to its knees. It was the recklessness of the British public to go into debt, banks were having to borrow money from the SubPrime Market in North America to fund 110% mortgages so people could spend stupid prices on houses. When the sub prime market collapsed the Government had to bail the banks out otherwise the public would have been unable to withdraw money from their accounts, because the banks didn't have any more money to give out. Reality001

6:38pm Sat 17 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

Reality001 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood !
Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either!
Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner
I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.
God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper
So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.
Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .
It was not Government spending that brought this country to its knees. It was the recklessness of the British public to go into debt, banks were having to borrow money from the SubPrime Market in North America to fund 110% mortgages so people could spend stupid prices on houses. When the sub prime market collapsed the Government had to bail the banks out otherwise the public would have been unable to withdraw money from their accounts, because the banks didn't have any more money to give out.
Correct Reality001 far too much easy lending by the banks, every other day there was a new credit card dropping through my letter box.
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Too political for my liking . Private companies would have a panel interview for a role with this salary yet less than 15% vote and this guy gets a job, what a joke . Well done to all those who spoilt their papers and to those voting for a politician then shame on you. A pig with a red rosette could have been in the job in west yorks if it had stood ![/p][/quote]Less than 15% of the electorate voted, yet that's still over 200,000. The winning candidate got over 100,000 of the votes. Still many more than a panel! The Police isn't a Private Company either![/p][/quote]Your speaking like some kind of Labour fan boy. I think the Tories have really dropped a bollock here by pushing through the elections and voters have stuck 2 fingers up and said we don't want this. Let us vote for membership of the EU and see general election type turnout. The public voting on political party grounds are not the way to select a police comissioner[/p][/quote]I just think that Labour are the best of a bad bunch. I don;t really think the elections were really required at all. It seems as though the tories pushed this election through in the hope that they could win a few police authorities that they could privatise more.[/p][/quote]God help us all then ! They shafted us all from 1997 to 2010 and they are the best of a bad bunch We are all doomed ! Global recession my ****, that's the excuse all labourites come up with, Are you sure you're not Ed Balls ? Saying that I reckon you are Yvette Cooper[/p][/quote]So America,Ireland,Spai n,Greece,Italy,Portu gal,Germany,France don't have a finacial crisis the last Labour goverment must have had some clout to affect all those countries,takeyour BLUE tinted glass off Mike Strutter and smell the coffee.[/p][/quote]Blue tinted glasses ? Merely pointing out the reckless spending that the champagne socialists were unleashing upon us. They knew about the dire state if the country's finances but kept on spending to the very end, they adopted a scorched earth policy when they knew they couldn't win the election and quite frankly the plundering if finances was nothing short of criminal. Liam Byrne summed it all up on the sarcastic note he left in the desk drawer .[/p][/quote]It was not Government spending that brought this country to its knees. It was the recklessness of the British public to go into debt, banks were having to borrow money from the SubPrime Market in North America to fund 110% mortgages so people could spend stupid prices on houses. When the sub prime market collapsed the Government had to bail the banks out otherwise the public would have been unable to withdraw money from their accounts, because the banks didn't have any more money to give out.[/p][/quote]Correct Reality001 far too much easy lending by the banks, every other day there was a new credit card dropping through my letter box. nowt fresh

9:43am Mon 19 Nov 12

Scargutt2 says...

I'm proud to be one of the 8,277 who spoiled their votes.
I'm proud to be one of the 8,277 who spoiled their votes. Scargutt2

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