All 53 City Park fountain valves need replacing (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

You can see repair costs for then future being massive if something like this need replacing after just over half a year.

"Councillor Andrew Mallinson, chairman of the Council’s regeneration and economy overview and scrutiny committee, said the committee would be discussing the overall cost of the park once the figure had been determined."

I thought we've been told for the last few weeks that there wasn't an overspend? It sounds like the final costs not actually known yet!

Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

For £30.000.000 i hope we have a longggggggggggggggg guarantee.

Agree - complete non-story. No cost to the ratepayers so who cares?

Obviously it would be nice if something costing £34m actually worked but ...... the money has already been wasted.

ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
For £30.000.000 i hope we have a longggggggggggggggg guarantee.

£34m or £34,000,000.

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

Most people with any knowledge of construction know what you're saying about snagging is correct - but we know what many people are like on here ;-)

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

I'd agree that it's a non-story. Probably most buildings ever built have a lot more than £21k of remedial work before final handover.

However, I'd disagree that it's 'snide' to question the unknown final value of a scheme that has used taxpayer's money for a questionable return (exactly how much regeneration has it driven since it was finished?)

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

Well I for one think that they have paid with tax payers money millions of pounds on a white elephant .The money could have been much better spent on things the city really needs and one more thing many contractors could build the so called park at price very much cheaper ask yourself where the money actually went.

The actual cost will be £456,330,000,000,00
0,000 when maintenance is included. Tony Reeves should go stand in there throughout the winter.

Sorry, just trying to fit in.

collos25 wrote:

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

Well I for one think that they have paid with tax payers money millions of pounds on a white elephant .The money could have been much better spent on things the city really needs and one more thing many contractors could build the so called park at price very much cheaper ask yourself where the money actually went.

Have you gone and got quotes off the all then?

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

Correct!

It's a joke, ok the company are going to pay out this time what happens in the future. Every day we see less and less services and workers being laid off from the Council, were is the money coming from BRADFORD doe's not have any nor doe's the people. Please thing a head before building or trying to make BRADFORD with stupid white elephants.

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

An excellent post.

A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done.

As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.

Will the fountains then be able to go high the air like was promised?
Only seen doing about 4 feet at the most.
Why do the Council not know the cost of the Project?
Is this how they handle their own homes, I think not.

JAtkinson wrote:

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

An excellent post.

A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done.

As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.

I wouldn't get my "money's worth" if I lived overlooking it!
We'll see how long the new valves last.....probably just long enough for the contractors to get away and any guarantee to have run out.
It's a complete waste of money, the area was adequately functional before this was built.

There was obviously a generic problem with the valves otherwise the suplliers wouldn't have replaced them all.
I wonder how much per annum the council has allocated for maintenance, and on what basis they are going to do ongoing refurbishment because these things don't last forever.

The snagging argument doesn't wash (no pun intended) when it's 12 months after development has finished. It's good this is under guarantee but what happens if they fail every 12 months?

JAtkinson wrote:

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

An excellent post.

A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done.

As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.

I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but....

Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head.
What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match?
Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'

Wind your necks in peeps and move along, nothing to see here. It's a snagging issue that's been identified that is no cost to you or I the tax payer but no doubt will give plenty of people a chance to lighten up their daily lives with a moan.
As for Rebecca Poulsen asking how much all this costs ? Well nothing Becky love, read the bloody article !

Why are they using valves made by a French company and not a British one? Don't we make valves in this country any more? No wonder there are so many unemployed.

I would hope that the valve replacement also has a reasonable warranty period?

Maybe one day the T&A might investigate what the actual cost of this project is along with its ongoing maintenance/operatin
g cost?

Clowny wrote:
The snagging argument doesn't wash (no pun intended) when it's 12 months after development has finished. It's good this is under guarantee but what happens if they fail every 12 months?

Then I should imagine that they will be able to go back to the installer/ supplier and claim the items supplied were not fit for purpose & request that they either repair or replace these items under the relevant legislation.

angry bradfordian wrote:

JAtkinson wrote:

maniacpony wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.

I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but.... Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head. What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match? Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'

It cost £34m and not £24m. Do not fall for Council line that it 'only' cost £24m.

Indeed this is true, because the T&A reported a £4m overspend months ago, so we know its cost is at least £28m for starters

Then I should imagine that they will be able to go back to the installer/ supplier and claim the items supplied were not fit for purpose & request that they either repair or replace these items under the relevant legislation.

Hopefully it shall not be necessary to pull out bodies, like when the old waterfall and fountain come mucky/smelly wishing well thing; that was so pretty to look at before.

What percentage of Bradfords population does contibute?

First world problems....

Only world problems...

Their snide remarks are because we could see this happening even back then.

I like to see positives But cant for the life of me see the positive in a pool of water that' s still costing the Citizens of Bradford!!

Buy British

Darn it, we need to sell off another airport to keep the ruddy pond bubbling.

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

yes i think i agree it will but it has cost £25 million and the odeon is likely to cost something similar.

I mean £25 million will build a 20000 sport stadium
25 million will build a couple of schools an asda or a morrisons.

Its a collosal amount for a spit.

It does not suprise me.

The supplier of the paving/bricks put his price of his bricks up ten fold in order to fill his boots.
Noone batted an eyelid and paid.

Looks like the economic development projects manager was doing her job well.

This council are clueless on the price of everything.

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
Why are they using valves made by a French company and not a British one? Don't we make valves in this country any more? No wonder there are so many unemployed.

quite right we dont.

now get back to your allotment winters coming

angry bradfordian wrote:

JAtkinson wrote:

maniacpony wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.

I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but.... Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head. What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match? Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'

Good points.

I used to be able to pee higher after ten pints and a game of rugby.

Those were the days.

Dont think I"ll be joining you round the begging bowl wishing well with its army of league of nations beggars forming a wonderfull backdrop to our town hall.

Think I"ll live with my memories.

Thought they said there was a problem even when they were testing it.

What can we sell off next to maintain it.

No more Airports.

Fiasco as usual.

And Westfield ARE selling the other hole according to Me Galloway and David Green did not know.joke.

They all live in cuckoo.

80 million for a hole without a tenant signed up.Westfield must be idiots and so must the fools who are buying it.

All the pile foundations are corroded now and it will end up needing to be redone.

How much has this episode cost the city.

90 up and running business raised to the ground.

10 years business rates

1000 or two jobs gone.

companies like pizza hut dissapearing.

and a threadbare footfall left that makes those who dare venture feel unsafe with all the rubbish about and little left to look at.

death of a city.

The regeneration officer who has presided over all this since 1998.

The errant council leader and fairground attendant in the making.

never trust a man with an earring.

and one with two?

A stud in the tongue and the farce would be complete.

Oh what a circus

Not very reassuring if after less than a year all 53 valves have to be replaced. If that is the case then what is the rest of the works like?! What will need to be replaced next year?

As for the French company replacing them for free, so would I as this is very bad publicity for them if it gets out any further. Imagine having all 53 values you make being used in one project failing after a year, other people will begin to question using their products in the future.

As with Westfield, we should broadcast their failures and complete disregard for the city to everyone in order to inform many others not to use them!

My first thought is why did they fail? I suspect grit and bad filtering. There must be no end of hard minute debris left from all the construction and demolition. That in suspention plus high pressure water jets, basicly built a 34 million pound, 53 point, shot blaster.

Firstly, I have to say that we should be surprised that the Council don't yet know the cost of this overpriced project. We should also be surprised that in spite of an apparent overspend on the contract, we as council tax payers are likely to be faced with equally overpriced maintenance costs in the future, given the latest news about having to replace the numerous jets. But in truth, we shouldn't be surprised. After all, it is Bradford Metropolitan District Council at the forefront of this project.

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.

I think most would understand the issue of snagging, which is usually issues such as electrical sockets in a unsuitable place, or incorrect / insufficient lighting in areas, BUT a design for a mirror pool with fountains in which the fountains are of incorrect type is a little more than snagging and after the expense already incurred is worrying.

I could understand if this was a minor issue with regard to the overall installation, but this is a fundamental aspect, which doesn't inspire confidence.

justjustice wrote:
Not very reassuring if after less than a year all 53 valves have to be replaced. If that is the case then what is the rest of the works like?! What will need to be replaced next year?

As for the French company replacing them for free, so would I as this is very bad publicity for them if it gets out any further. Imagine having all 53 values you make being used in one project failing after a year, other people will begin to question using their products in the future.

As with Westfield, we should broadcast their failures and complete disregard for the city to everyone in order to inform many others not to use them!

You haven't even read it have you? Get someone to read the actual words to you. Might save you making a huge t!t of yourself in future.

Councillor Rebecca Poulsen, the council’s Conservative group regeneration spokesman, said: “I’m quite surprised because it’s something that’s new. It hasn’t been in for years and years and I would be asking what is the cost of it?

Funny this. First the valves are being replaced FREE of any charge because the contractor was not happy with them...

The best bit...

It was the Tories that signed Bradford up to this project - They were running the Council at the time.. Shame they werent worried about the overall price at the time they signed..

Now just bothered by 53 valves