Major work needed at Bradford attraction just a year after work completed

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The fountains in City Park The fountains in City Park

Faulty valves used to control the fountains in the multi-million pound City Park are to be replaced just one year after work was completed at the site.

In a move branded as “surprising” by one politician, all 53 valves used to control the 100 fountains and 30m central fountain at the multi-award winning park are to be replaced after the contractor who installed them was unhappy with their performance.

Contractor The Fountain Workshop Limited has ordered the new valves from its French supplier Asco Numatics, who will replace them free of charge, saving an estimated £21,200.

The valves will be replaced while the fountains are switched off for three days later this month.

Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green said: “Basically what we are doing is making sure that everything is 100 per cent before we get the formal hand-over and it is all our responsibility.

“There’s been a problem with, as I understand, a couple of the valves. It’s been agreed we will get them all 100 per cent sorted before the contractor’s liability period runs out.

“Before they leave it we have got to be satisfied that the job is a good one.”

The Council told the Telegraph & Argus it was not yet able to provide the overall figure for how much the City Park has cost.

Ian Kirkpatrick, managing director of The Fountain Workshop Limited, said he spoke with Asco after he was left unhappy with the performance of the valves, which he said cost about £400 each.

He said: “They have agreed to replace the valves free of charge with some new valves which will correct this issue.

“It was the valves that weren’t responsive and a number were sticking, they were either staying open or staying closed.”

Shelagh O’Neill, the Council’s economic development programmes manager, said the fountains are to be switched off for three days on November 26, 27 and 28, while the holding tank is cleaned by Council staff and the water is replaced as part of a routine maintenance programme.

She said: “During this period The Fountain Workshop Limited plan to take the opportunity to carry out general maintenance to the control systems, which will involve the installation of new valves to give more efficient control of the fountains.

“This is being done by the company at no cost to the Council and is part of their continued commitment to City Park and service improvement.”

She said the fountains would be switched on again on November 29, but members of the public have been reminded the fountains are automatically controlled by an on-site weather station that turns them off as temperatures get near to freezing.

She said: “Through the winter nights, Bradford Council will programme the mirror pool to part drain from 8pm so that visitors can enjoy the lasers that will interact with people as they walk across the middle of the pools.”

Councillor Rebecca Poulsen, the council’s Conservative group regeneration spokesman, said: “I’m quite surprised because it’s something that’s new. It hasn’t been in for years and years and I would be asking what is the cost of it?

“I would have thought that would have lasted longer than that. If this is going to be a regular thing every year, I would be interested to see what the maintenance plan is for it, whether this sort of part is routinely replaced annually, or whether this is something that doesn’t normally happen.”

Councillor Jeanette Sunderland, the council’s Liberal Democrat group leader, said: “I’m glad they are maintaining it properly, which puts paid to the stuff from the cynics about it being badly maintained and full of rubbish, which has turned out not to be so.

“I’m glad they are carrying out regular maintenance and that they have found any problems within the snagging period.

“I don’t find it a concern, I’m glad they are doing it and presumably that the council will insist that the quality of the valves are sufficient not to need repairing within 12 months.”

Councillor Andrew Mallinson, chairman of the Council’s regeneration and economy overview and scrutinty committee, said the committee would be discussing the overall cost of the park once the figure had been determined.

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8:12am Thu 15 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

You can see repair costs for then future being massive if something like this need replacing after just over half a year.
You can see repair costs for then future being massive if something like this need replacing after just over half a year. Thee Voice of Reason

8:34am Thu 15 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

"Councillor Andrew Mallinson, chairman of the Council’s regeneration and economy overview and scrutiny committee, said the committee would be discussing the overall cost of the park once the figure had been determined."

I thought we've been told for the last few weeks that there wasn't an overspend? It sounds like the final costs not actually known yet!
"Councillor Andrew Mallinson, chairman of the Council’s regeneration and economy overview and scrutiny committee, said the committee would be discussing the overall cost of the park once the figure had been determined." I thought we've been told for the last few weeks that there wasn't an overspend? It sounds like the final costs not actually known yet! angry bradfordian

8:36am Thu 15 Nov 12

maniacpony says...

Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining. maniacpony

8:46am Thu 15 Nov 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

For £30.000.000 i hope we have a longggggggggggggggg guarantee.
For £30.000.000 i hope we have a longggggggggggggggg guarantee. ANY WHERE BUT HERE

8:47am Thu 15 Nov 12

Apollo says...

Agree - complete non-story. No cost to the ratepayers so who cares?

Obviously it would be nice if something costing £34m actually worked but ...... the money has already been wasted.
Agree - complete non-story. No cost to the ratepayers so who cares? Obviously it would be nice if something costing £34m actually worked but ...... the money has already been wasted. Apollo

8:48am Thu 15 Nov 12

Apollo says...

ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
For £30.000.000 i hope we have a longggggggggggggggg guarantee.
£34m or £34,000,000.
[quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote: For £30.000.000 i hope we have a longggggggggggggggg guarantee.[/p][/quote]£34m or £34,000,000. Apollo

8:53am Thu 15 Nov 12

webess says...

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
Most people with any knowledge of construction know what you're saying about snagging is correct - but we know what many people are like on here ;-)
[quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]Most people with any knowledge of construction know what you're saying about snagging is correct - but we know what many people are like on here ;-) webess

8:54am Thu 15 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
I'd agree that it's a non-story. Probably most buildings ever built have a lot more than £21k of remedial work before final handover.

However, I'd disagree that it's 'snide' to question the unknown final value of a scheme that has used taxpayer's money for a questionable return (exactly how much regeneration has it driven since it was finished?)
[quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]I'd agree that it's a non-story. Probably most buildings ever built have a lot more than £21k of remedial work before final handover. However, I'd disagree that it's 'snide' to question the unknown final value of a scheme that has used taxpayer's money for a questionable return (exactly how much regeneration has it driven since it was finished?) angry bradfordian

9:48am Thu 15 Nov 12

collos25 says...

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
Well I for one think that they have paid with tax payers money millions of pounds on a white elephant .The money could have been much better spent on things the city really needs and one more thing many contractors could build the so called park at price very much cheaper ask yourself where the money actually went.
[quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]Well I for one think that they have paid with tax payers money millions of pounds on a white elephant .The money could have been much better spent on things the city really needs and one more thing many contractors could build the so called park at price very much cheaper ask yourself where the money actually went. collos25

9:51am Thu 15 Nov 12

yorkshiredude says...

The actual cost will be £456,330,000,000,00
0,000 when maintenance is included. Tony Reeves should go stand in there throughout the winter.

Sorry, just trying to fit in.
The actual cost will be £456,330,000,000,00 0,000 when maintenance is included. Tony Reeves should go stand in there throughout the winter. Sorry, just trying to fit in. yorkshiredude

9:52am Thu 15 Nov 12

yorkshiredude says...

collos25 wrote:
maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
Well I for one think that they have paid with tax payers money millions of pounds on a white elephant .The money could have been much better spent on things the city really needs and one more thing many contractors could build the so called park at price very much cheaper ask yourself where the money actually went.
Have you gone and got quotes off the all then?
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]Well I for one think that they have paid with tax payers money millions of pounds on a white elephant .The money could have been much better spent on things the city really needs and one more thing many contractors could build the so called park at price very much cheaper ask yourself where the money actually went.[/p][/quote]Have you gone and got quotes off the all then? yorkshiredude

10:03am Thu 15 Nov 12

Outraged English Subject says...

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
Correct!
[quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]Correct! Outraged English Subject

10:07am Thu 15 Nov 12

ertnec says...

It's a joke, ok the company are going to pay out this time what happens in the future. Every day we see less and less services and workers being laid off from the Council, were is the money coming from BRADFORD doe's not have any nor doe's the people. Please thing a head before building or trying to make BRADFORD with stupid white elephants.
It's a joke, ok the company are going to pay out this time what happens in the future. Every day we see less and less services and workers being laid off from the Council, were is the money coming from BRADFORD doe's not have any nor doe's the people. Please thing a head before building or trying to make BRADFORD with stupid white elephants. ertnec

10:19am Thu 15 Nov 12

JAtkinson says...

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
An excellent post.

A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done.

As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.
[quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious. JAtkinson

10:38am Thu 15 Nov 12

Joedavid says...

Will the fountains then be able to go high the air like was promised?
Only seen doing about 4 feet at the most.
Why do the Council not know the cost of the Project?
Is this how they handle their own homes, I think not.
Will the fountains then be able to go high the air like was promised? Only seen doing about 4 feet at the most. Why do the Council not know the cost of the Project? Is this how they handle their own homes, I think not. Joedavid

11:14am Thu 15 Nov 12

Albion. says...

JAtkinson wrote:
maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
An excellent post.

A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done.

As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.
I wouldn't get my "money's worth" if I lived overlooking it!
We'll see how long the new valves last.....probably just long enough for the contractors to get away and any guarantee to have run out.
It's a complete waste of money, the area was adequately functional before this was built.
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't get my "money's worth" if I lived overlooking it! We'll see how long the new valves last.....probably just long enough for the contractors to get away and any guarantee to have run out. It's a complete waste of money, the area was adequately functional before this was built. Albion.

12:17pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Cooperlane2 says...

There was obviously a generic problem with the valves otherwise the suplliers wouldn't have replaced them all.
I wonder how much per annum the council has allocated for maintenance, and on what basis they are going to do ongoing refurbishment because these things don't last forever.
There was obviously a generic problem with the valves otherwise the suplliers wouldn't have replaced them all. I wonder how much per annum the council has allocated for maintenance, and on what basis they are going to do ongoing refurbishment because these things don't last forever. Cooperlane2

12:20pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Clowny says...

The snagging argument doesn't wash (no pun intended) when it's 12 months after development has finished. It's good this is under guarantee but what happens if they fail every 12 months?
The snagging argument doesn't wash (no pun intended) when it's 12 months after development has finished. It's good this is under guarantee but what happens if they fail every 12 months? Clowny

12:25pm Thu 15 Nov 12

angry bradfordian says...

JAtkinson wrote:
maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
An excellent post.

A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done.

As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.
I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but....

Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head.
What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match?
Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.[/p][/quote]I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but.... Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head. What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match? Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing' angry bradfordian

12:49pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Mike Strutter says...

Wind your necks in peeps and move along, nothing to see here. It's a snagging issue that's been identified that is no cost to you or I the tax payer but no doubt will give plenty of people a chance to lighten up their daily lives with a moan.
As for Rebecca Poulsen asking how much all this costs ? Well nothing Becky love, read the bloody article !
Wind your necks in peeps and move along, nothing to see here. It's a snagging issue that's been identified that is no cost to you or I the tax payer but no doubt will give plenty of people a chance to lighten up their daily lives with a moan. As for Rebecca Poulsen asking how much all this costs ? Well nothing Becky love, read the bloody article ! Mike Strutter

12:54pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Another Landless Peasant says...

Why are they using valves made by a French company and not a British one? Don't we make valves in this country any more? No wonder there are so many unemployed.
Why are they using valves made by a French company and not a British one? Don't we make valves in this country any more? No wonder there are so many unemployed. Another Landless Peasant

1:17pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Avro says...

I would hope that the valve replacement also has a reasonable warranty period?

Maybe one day the T&A might investigate what the actual cost of this project is along with its ongoing maintenance/operatin
g cost?
I would hope that the valve replacement also has a reasonable warranty period? Maybe one day the T&A might investigate what the actual cost of this project is along with its ongoing maintenance/operatin g cost? Avro

1:20pm Thu 15 Nov 12

scottie dog says...

Clowny wrote:
The snagging argument doesn't wash (no pun intended) when it's 12 months after development has finished. It's good this is under guarantee but what happens if they fail every 12 months?
Then I should imagine that they will be able to go back to the installer/ supplier and claim the items supplied were not fit for purpose & request that they either repair or replace these items under the relevant legislation.
[quote][p][bold]Clowny[/bold] wrote: The snagging argument doesn't wash (no pun intended) when it's 12 months after development has finished. It's good this is under guarantee but what happens if they fail every 12 months?[/p][/quote]Then I should imagine that they will be able to go back to the installer/ supplier and claim the items supplied were not fit for purpose & request that they either repair or replace these items under the relevant legislation. scottie dog

1:21pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Apollo says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
maniacpony wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.
I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but.... Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head. What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match? Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'
It cost £34m and not £24m. Do not fall for Council line that it 'only' cost £24m.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.[/p][/quote]I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but.... Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head. What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match? Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'[/p][/quote]It cost £34m and not £24m. Do not fall for Council line that it 'only' cost £24m. Apollo

1:38pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Avro says...

Indeed this is true, because the T&A reported a £4m overspend months ago, so we know its cost is at least £28m for starters
Indeed this is true, because the T&A reported a £4m overspend months ago, so we know its cost is at least £28m for starters Avro

1:45pm Thu 15 Nov 12

scottie dog says...

Then I should imagine that they will be able to go back to the installer/ supplier and claim the items supplied were not fit for purpose & request that they either repair or replace these items under the relevant legislation.
Then I should imagine that they will be able to go back to the installer/ supplier and claim the items supplied were not fit for purpose & request that they either repair or replace these items under the relevant legislation. scottie dog

1:58pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Outraged English Subject says...

Hopefully it shall not be necessary to pull out bodies, like when the old waterfall and fountain come mucky/smelly wishing well thing; that was so pretty to look at before.
Hopefully it shall not be necessary to pull out bodies, like when the old waterfall and fountain come mucky/smelly wishing well thing; that was so pretty to look at before. Outraged English Subject

4:35pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Eccybantam says...

What percentage of Bradfords population does contibute?
What percentage of Bradfords population does contibute? Eccybantam

6:23pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Mr Bradford says...

First world problems....
First world problems.... Mr Bradford

6:37pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Outraged English Subject says...

Only world problems...
Only world problems... Outraged English Subject

7:50pm Thu 15 Nov 12

scanipoos says...

Their snide remarks are because we could see this happening even back then.

I like to see positives But cant for the life of me see the positive in a pool of water that' s still costing the Citizens of Bradford!!
Their snide remarks are because we could see this happening even back then. I like to see positives But cant for the life of me see the positive in a pool of water that' s still costing the Citizens of Bradford!! scanipoos

8:07pm Thu 15 Nov 12

gbbantam says...

Buy British
Buy British gbbantam

8:38pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Willard says...

Darn it, we need to sell off another airport to keep the ruddy pond bubbling.
Darn it, we need to sell off another airport to keep the ruddy pond bubbling. Willard

10:03pm Thu 15 Nov 12

alfucham says...

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
yes i think i agree it will but it has cost £25 million and the odeon is likely to cost something similar.

I mean £25 million will build a 20000 sport stadium
25 million will build a couple of schools an asda or a morrisons.

Its a collosal amount for a spit.

It does not suprise me.

The supplier of the paving/bricks put his price of his bricks up ten fold in order to fill his boots.
Noone batted an eyelid and paid.

Looks like the economic development projects manager was doing her job well.

This council are clueless on the price of everything.
[quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]yes i think i agree it will but it has cost £25 million and the odeon is likely to cost something similar. I mean £25 million will build a 20000 sport stadium 25 million will build a couple of schools an asda or a morrisons. Its a collosal amount for a spit. It does not suprise me. The supplier of the paving/bricks put his price of his bricks up ten fold in order to fill his boots. Noone batted an eyelid and paid. Looks like the economic development projects manager was doing her job well. This council are clueless on the price of everything. alfucham

10:10pm Thu 15 Nov 12

alfucham says...

Another Landless Peasant wrote:
Why are they using valves made by a French company and not a British one? Don't we make valves in this country any more? No wonder there are so many unemployed.
quite right we dont.

now get back to your allotment winters coming
[quote][p][bold]Another Landless Peasant[/bold] wrote: Why are they using valves made by a French company and not a British one? Don't we make valves in this country any more? No wonder there are so many unemployed.[/p][/quote]quite right we dont. now get back to your allotment winters coming alfucham

10:27pm Thu 15 Nov 12

alfucham says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
maniacpony wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.
I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but.... Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head. What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match? Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'
Good points.

I used to be able to pee higher after ten pints and a game of rugby.

Those were the days.

Dont think I"ll be joining you round the begging bowl wishing well with its army of league of nations beggars forming a wonderfull backdrop to our town hall.

Think I"ll live with my memories.

Thought they said there was a problem even when they were testing it.

What can we sell off next to maintain it.

No more Airports.

Fiasco as usual.

And Westfield ARE selling the other hole according to Me Galloway and David Green did not know.joke.

They all live in cuckoo.

80 million for a hole without a tenant signed up.Westfield must be idiots and so must the fools who are buying it.

All the pile foundations are corroded now and it will end up needing to be redone.

How much has this episode cost the city.

90 up and running business raised to the ground.

10 years business rates

1000 or two jobs gone.

companies like pizza hut dissapearing.

and a threadbare footfall left that makes those who dare venture feel unsafe with all the rubbish about and little left to look at.

death of a city.

The regeneration officer who has presided over all this since 1998.

The errant council leader and fairground attendant in the making.

never trust a man with an earring.

and one with two?

A stud in the tongue and the farce would be complete.

Oh what a circus
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]An excellent post. A company sees a small problem with a tiny minority of components and chooses to replace the whole lot to see off future problems and costs. Excellent response from the company - thank you. The Council want it all sorted before it becomes their sole responsibility and aren't about to let a company off the hook early. Excellent - thank you and well done. As for complaints about the cost, why not go down there and get your money's worth? It's amazing! And, as said above, will complement the new Odeon, the Alhambra and Media Museum well in what could become a Cultural Quarter of which other cities are truly envious.[/p][/quote]I realise this question isn't about valves and is off topic, but.... Assuming there are 475,000 people in Bradford and the pond did actually did cost £24m, that means it cost £51 per head. What do you suggest I should do there to get the same value for money I'd get at a concert, a decent restaurant or a Premiership football match? Personally I don't find a 4 foot high fountain, groups of hoodies and a United Nations of beggars particularly 'amazing'[/p][/quote]Good points. I used to be able to pee higher after ten pints and a game of rugby. Those were the days. Dont think I"ll be joining you round the begging bowl wishing well with its army of league of nations beggars forming a wonderfull backdrop to our town hall. Think I"ll live with my memories. Thought they said there was a problem even when they were testing it. What can we sell off next to maintain it. No more Airports. Fiasco as usual. And Westfield ARE selling the other hole according to Me Galloway and David Green did not know.joke. They all live in cuckoo. 80 million for a hole without a tenant signed up.Westfield must be idiots and so must the fools who are buying it. All the pile foundations are corroded now and it will end up needing to be redone. How much has this episode cost the city. 90 up and running business raised to the ground. 10 years business rates 1000 or two jobs gone. companies like pizza hut dissapearing. and a threadbare footfall left that makes those who dare venture feel unsafe with all the rubbish about and little left to look at. death of a city. The regeneration officer who has presided over all this since 1998. The errant council leader and fairground attendant in the making. never trust a man with an earring. and one with two? A stud in the tongue and the farce would be complete. Oh what a circus alfucham

4:19am Fri 16 Nov 12

justjustice says...

Not very reassuring if after less than a year all 53 valves have to be replaced. If that is the case then what is the rest of the works like?! What will need to be replaced next year?

As for the French company replacing them for free, so would I as this is very bad publicity for them if it gets out any further. Imagine having all 53 values you make being used in one project failing after a year, other people will begin to question using their products in the future.

As with Westfield, we should broadcast their failures and complete disregard for the city to everyone in order to inform many others not to use them!
Not very reassuring if after less than a year all 53 valves have to be replaced. If that is the case then what is the rest of the works like?! What will need to be replaced next year? As for the French company replacing them for free, so would I as this is very bad publicity for them if it gets out any further. Imagine having all 53 values you make being used in one project failing after a year, other people will begin to question using their products in the future. As with Westfield, we should broadcast their failures and complete disregard for the city to everyone in order to inform many others not to use them! justjustice

11:59am Fri 16 Nov 12

spinnekop says...

My first thought is why did they fail? I suspect grit and bad filtering. There must be no end of hard minute debris left from all the construction and demolition. That in suspention plus high pressure water jets, basicly built a 34 million pound, 53 point, shot blaster.
My first thought is why did they fail? I suspect grit and bad filtering. There must be no end of hard minute debris left from all the construction and demolition. That in suspention plus high pressure water jets, basicly built a 34 million pound, 53 point, shot blaster. spinnekop

12:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12

skellett47 says...

Firstly, I have to say that we should be surprised that the Council don't yet know the cost of this overpriced project. We should also be surprised that in spite of an apparent overspend on the contract, we as council tax payers are likely to be faced with equally overpriced maintenance costs in the future, given the latest news about having to replace the numerous jets. But in truth, we shouldn't be surprised. After all, it is Bradford Metropolitan District Council at the forefront of this project.
Firstly, I have to say that we should be surprised that the Council don't yet know the cost of this overpriced project. We should also be surprised that in spite of an apparent overspend on the contract, we as council tax payers are likely to be faced with equally overpriced maintenance costs in the future, given the latest news about having to replace the numerous jets. But in truth, we shouldn't be surprised. After all, it is Bradford Metropolitan District Council at the forefront of this project. skellett47

10:19am Sat 17 Nov 12

CJones101 says...

maniacpony wrote:
Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.
I think most would understand the issue of snagging, which is usually issues such as electrical sockets in a unsuitable place, or incorrect / insufficient lighting in areas, BUT a design for a mirror pool with fountains in which the fountains are of incorrect type is a little more than snagging and after the expense already incurred is worrying.

I could understand if this was a minor issue with regard to the overall installation, but this is a fundamental aspect, which doesn't inspire confidence.
[quote][p][bold]maniacpony[/bold] wrote: Non story - pretty standard type of snagging on such a major project. Fed up of all the usual snide comments about city park and the cost now - only in Bradford do we have to put up with this attitude all the time. The City park and mirror pool will compliment the refurbished Odeon nicely, so lets stop all the whining.[/p][/quote]I think most would understand the issue of snagging, which is usually issues such as electrical sockets in a unsuitable place, or incorrect / insufficient lighting in areas, BUT a design for a mirror pool with fountains in which the fountains are of incorrect type is a little more than snagging and after the expense already incurred is worrying. I could understand if this was a minor issue with regard to the overall installation, but this is a fundamental aspect, which doesn't inspire confidence. CJones101

2:24am Sun 18 Nov 12

hx3bantam says...

justjustice wrote:
Not very reassuring if after less than a year all 53 valves have to be replaced. If that is the case then what is the rest of the works like?! What will need to be replaced next year?

As for the French company replacing them for free, so would I as this is very bad publicity for them if it gets out any further. Imagine having all 53 values you make being used in one project failing after a year, other people will begin to question using their products in the future.

As with Westfield, we should broadcast their failures and complete disregard for the city to everyone in order to inform many others not to use them!
You haven't even read it have you? Get someone to read the actual words to you. Might save you making a huge t!t of yourself in future.
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: Not very reassuring if after less than a year all 53 valves have to be replaced. If that is the case then what is the rest of the works like?! What will need to be replaced next year? As for the French company replacing them for free, so would I as this is very bad publicity for them if it gets out any further. Imagine having all 53 values you make being used in one project failing after a year, other people will begin to question using their products in the future. As with Westfield, we should broadcast their failures and complete disregard for the city to everyone in order to inform many others not to use them![/p][/quote]You haven't even read it have you? Get someone to read the actual words to you. Might save you making a huge t!t of yourself in future. hx3bantam

9:34am Sun 18 Nov 12

Reality001 says...

Councillor Rebecca Poulsen, the council’s Conservative group regeneration spokesman, said: “I’m quite surprised because it’s something that’s new. It hasn’t been in for years and years and I would be asking what is the cost of it?

Funny this. First the valves are being replaced FREE of any charge because the contractor was not happy with them...

The best bit...

It was the Tories that signed Bradford up to this project - They were running the Council at the time.. Shame they werent worried about the overall price at the time they signed..

Now just bothered by 53 valves
Councillor Rebecca Poulsen, the council’s Conservative group regeneration spokesman, said: “I’m quite surprised because it’s something that’s new. It hasn’t been in for years and years and I would be asking what is the cost of it? Funny this. First the valves are being replaced FREE of any charge because the contractor was not happy with them... The best bit... It was the Tories that signed Bradford up to this project - They were running the Council at the time.. Shame they werent worried about the overall price at the time they signed.. Now just bothered by 53 valves Reality001

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