Bradford City Centre Growth Zone to be launched (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Or how about reducing the exorbitant rates and why has Bradford interchange got only 2 operating retail outlets ?.

In the presence of Biggest Black Trade growth Zone in the shape of Stall Type Retail Bazaar's/Markets whether licensed or unlicensed, no other growth zone can ever flourish in Bradford. Has Barra Mac Ruairi, Bradford Council's strategic director for regeneration done any action to close them immediately? In the absence of any solid action against illegal Bazaars' this £34.8 million Growth Fund would be a total waste.

In the presence of Biggest Black Trade growth Zone in the shape of Stall Type Retail Bazaar's/Markets whether licensed or unlicensed, no other growth zone can ever flourish in Bradford. Has Barra Mac Ruairi, Bradford Council's strategic director for regeneration done any action to close them immediately? In the absence of any solid action against illegal Bazaars' this £34.8 million Growth Fund would be a total waste.

Hey Max - where's Tania?

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The problem here (and it's the same with Westfield) is that the modern demographic of Bradford isn't conducive to thriving city centre retail. There's also nothing that would attract shoppers to travel in from other towns and cities - in fact, there are many things that would put people off coming here, particularly young families.

This, combined with the shopping habits of a large swathe of the city's population isn't going to do anything to attract major retailers to commit long term to taking space in Westfield or anywhere else for that matter.

Bradford city centre is finished.

The fact existing stores and business in the City center are going to be overlooked is a total disgrace.

That will no doubt be a very sour point with some who as soon as their lease is run will remember how they have been treated and relocate elsewhere.

I notice the bazaar is still running without permission, how long is that now, 15, 16, 17? Months. What a shambles.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
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And I'm sure he has a brother that looks like Phil Parkinson .. #surreal

Bazaars ?, the council and police have allowed an infamous drugs den to thrive for the past 4 years despite various 'enforcement orders' and planning permission rejections.

SinnerSaint wrote:
The problem here (and it's the same with Westfield) is that the modern demographic of Bradford isn't conducive to thriving city centre retail. There's also nothing that would attract shoppers to travel in from other towns and cities - in fact, there are many things that would put people off coming here, particularly young families.

This, combined with the shopping habits of a large swathe of the city's population isn't going to do anything to attract major retailers to commit long term to taking space in Westfield or anywhere else for that matter.

Bradford city centre is finished.

If all that guff is true - why Debenhams and other western stores are opening stores in Pakistan?

In any society - no matter how poor - you will always find an affluent elite eager to buy Western goods. Perhaps they are tapping into that market? I think SinnerSaint makes a valid point: 'guff' it is not.

webess wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
The problem here (and it's the same with Westfield) is that the modern demographic of Bradford isn't conducive to thriving city centre retail. There's also nothing that would attract shoppers to travel in from other towns and cities - in fact, there are many things that would put people off coming here, particularly young families.

This, combined with the shopping habits of a large swathe of the city's population isn't going to do anything to attract major retailers to commit long term to taking space in Westfield or anywhere else for that matter.

Bradford city centre is finished.

If all that guff is true - why Debenhams and other western stores are opening stores in Pakistan?

If it's guff why have Westfield, who currently own several very successful shopping centres in the country, been searching high and low for someone to offload the white elephant to?

They've been researching, talking to retailers - that's why. And they don't want to touch it with a barge pole. Westfield can't believe their luck at having managed to transfer most of the risk.

It may start off mainly full, probably because of rent free periods and inducements, but give it a few years and it'll be mostly empty with a few cash for gold, money shops, discount retailers and ethnic stores.

Bradford is a hole and nobody wants to come here to shop. That's the truth in it.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
In any society - no matter how poor - you will always find an affluent elite eager to buy Western goods. Perhaps they are tapping into that market? I think SinnerSaint makes a valid point: 'guff' it is not.

Or why is it on Eid-eve buses and trains are packed full of Bradfordian shoppers coming back from Leeds ?.

Patrick Bateman wrote:
In any society - no matter how poor - you will always find an affluent elite eager to buy Western goods. Perhaps they are tapping into that market? I think SinnerSaint makes a valid point: 'guff' it is not.

Or why is it on Eid-eve buses and trains are packed full of Bradfordian shoppers coming back from Leeds ?.

According to the article on the BBC website:

"About £4.4m of the funding will be spent on the demolition of the former Tyrlls police station where it is hoped art offices will be built."

a) What on earth is an 'art office'
b) Why will there be a demand for and art office when there's plenty of empty office space already.
c) Who's going to fund the construction of an office once demolition is complete?
d) Why isn't this rather significant piece of info not included in the T&A article?

According to the article on the BBC website:

"About £4.4m of the funding will be spent on the demolition of the former Tyrlls police station where it is hoped art offices will be built."

a) What on earth is an 'art office'
b) Why will there be a demand for and art office when there's plenty of empty office space already.
c) Who's going to fund the construction of an office once demolition is complete?
d) Why isn't this rather significant piece of info not included in the T&A article?

webess wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
The problem here (and it's the same with Westfield) is that the modern demographic of Bradford isn't conducive to thriving city centre retail. There's also nothing that would attract shoppers to travel in from other towns and cities - in fact, there are many things that would put people off coming here, particularly young families.

This, combined with the shopping habits of a large swathe of the city's population isn't going to do anything to attract major retailers to commit long term to taking space in Westfield or anywhere else for that matter.

Bradford city centre is finished.

If all that guff is true - why Debenhams and other western stores are opening stores in Pakistan?

Seriously... You don't think they sell the same stock in Pakistan, do you? If you do you're even more stupid than I thought.

SinnerSaint wrote:

webess wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
The problem here (and it's the same with Westfield) is that the modern demographic of Bradford isn't conducive to thriving city centre retail. There's also nothing that would attract shoppers to travel in from other towns and cities - in fact, there are many things that would put people off coming here, particularly young families.

This, combined with the shopping habits of a large swathe of the city's population isn't going to do anything to attract major retailers to commit long term to taking space in Westfield or anywhere else for that matter.

Bradford city centre is finished.

If all that guff is true - why Debenhams and other western stores are opening stores in Pakistan?

Seriously... You don't think they sell the same stock in Pakistan, do you? If you do you're even more stupid than I thought.

Nice reverse-psychology but do you know what they sell in Pakistan and why exactly are you talking as if Bradfordians are all non-native ??, this isn't Pietermaritzburg or Soweto!

I don't get what your point is. How about you tell us all why the city centre is screwed and retail has no future in Bradford?

If you sent researchers out to other towns and cities and asked people why they wouldn't travel to Bradford for shopping, what do you think they would say?

RuggerTyke wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:

webess wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
The problem here (and it's the same with Westfield) is that the modern demographic of Bradford isn't conducive to thriving city centre retail. There's also nothing that would attract shoppers to travel in from other towns and cities - in fact, there are many things that would put people off coming here, particularly young families.

This, combined with the shopping habits of a large swathe of the city's population isn't going to do anything to attract major retailers to commit long term to taking space in Westfield or anywhere else for that matter.

Bradford city centre is finished.

If all that guff is true - why Debenhams and other western stores are opening stores in Pakistan?

Seriously... You don't think they sell the same stock in Pakistan, do you? If you do you're even more stupid than I thought.

Nice reverse-psychology but do you know what they sell in Pakistan and why exactly are you talking as if Bradfordians are all non-native ??, this isn't Pietermaritzburg or Soweto!

Yet!

Albion. wrote:

RuggerTyke wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:

webess wrote:

SinnerSaint wrote:
The problem here (and it's the same with Westfield) is that the modern demographic of Bradford isn't conducive to thriving city centre retail. There's also nothing that would attract shoppers to travel in from other towns and cities - in fact, there are many things that would put people off coming here, particularly young families.

This, combined with the shopping habits of a large swathe of the city's population isn't going to do anything to attract major retailers to commit long term to taking space in Westfield or anywhere else for that matter.

Bradford city centre is finished.

If all that guff is true - why Debenhams and other western stores are opening stores in Pakistan?

Seriously... You don't think they sell the same stock in Pakistan, do you? If you do you're even more stupid than I thought.

Nice reverse-psychology but do you know what they sell in Pakistan and why exactly are you talking as if Bradfordians are all non-native ??, this isn't Pietermaritzburg or Soweto!

Yet!

Ha!

The fact you even acknowledge the comparison is not so much absurd as delusional.