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Bulls boss Steve McNamara is excited by what his side will be able to produce when they are all fully fit and firing.
Bradford picked up a gritty 32-24 success over Harle-quins last night to complete their Easter weekend.
They started on fire, racing into an 18-0 lead through tries from Sam Burgess, Dave Halley and David Solomona before getting pegged back.
But McNamara's injury-hit squad started making up for their debacle at Leeds and the coach was pleased with the
end result, if not all of the performance.
"We were desperate to get a game under our belts after Thursday night and wanted to play again," he said.
"We started pretty well and were very fluent. We looked quick, pushing hard for one another and executing with some good skill but our bodies took over after 25 minutes.
"We hit some real flat spots. I can't be too harsh but I'm certainly not happy with our overall 80 minutes.
"However, we showed it in patches again that we've got some ammunition there and we'll be a threat once we get everyone back on the park and fresh." Bradford are still not yet back in the top six, just ousted by Harlequins on points difference, but McNamara said: "We've won three out of four without playing particularly well.
"The signs are there further down the track. We'll batten down the hatches now, we're hanging in and finding ways to win. We did that last night.
"Quins were very good in the second half but we're just thankful we've got the points."
McNamara had special praise for hard-grafting props Andy Lynch and Sam Burgess, who defied injuries and huge fatigue to set the lead last night.
"Lynch and Burgess deserve a medal for going out there like that, they shouldn't really have been out there," he said.
Harlequins boss Brian McDermott, who made over 250 appearances for Bradford, admitted the result could have been different if his side had applied their game in the first half.
"We certainly had more than enough chances to win that match," said McDermott, after seeing them bomb twice towards the death.
"The first ten minutes killed it. We didn't seem to have any resistance near our line and that hacked me off."
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CommentPosted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 8:41am Tue 25 Mar 08
When your playing at your worst I suppose it,s prudent to say "best is still to come" We're all waiting Macca!!!!
When your playing at your worst I suppose it,s prudent to say "best is still to come" We're all waiting Macca!!!!
Posted by: stever, Bradford on 9:26am Tue 25 Mar 08
A 12 - 2 second half score and 2 butchered Quins tries the players should be ashamed for me that's as bad a performance as the Leeds game.
A 12 - 2 second half score and 2 butchered Quins tries the players should be ashamed for me that's as bad a performance as the Leeds game.
Posted by: Adrian, Bradford on 9:35am Tue 25 Mar 08
Nevermind it's yet to come...we want it now! We're falling off the pace. Fans want to see effort week-in week-out, not in glimpses! If Leeds can hit their straps now, then why can't the Bulls? I don't know about the rest of you, but i'm sick of the old cliches! With the squad we have, we should have been more than a match for Leeds, Saints and Wigan!
Nevermind it's yet to come...we want it now! We're falling off the pace. Fans want to see effort week-in week-out, not in glimpses! If Leeds can hit their straps now, then why can't the Bulls? I don't know about the rest of you, but i'm sick of the old cliches! With the squad we have, we should have been more than a match for Leeds, Saints and Wigan!
Posted by: blitzkrieg, bradford on 10:25am Tue 25 Mar 08
playing as bad as we are how long will it be until the fans vote with there feet and stay away? poor game (again) poor crowd! same excuses week in week out.
playing as bad as we are how long will it be until the fans vote with there feet and stay away? poor game (again) poor crowd! same excuses week in week out.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 10:37am Tue 25 Mar 08
And I can still hear the 'do gooders' saying "get off their backs, we'll finish at the top by the end of the season, It'll all come right" I say lets get one thing clear. These players are not performing for Macca. I am fed up with people saying its not Maccas fault but the players must do it on the pitch. The truth is, if a coach cannot get the respect of his players. If they do not fear him or respect his qualities then it is time to get someone in who they will fear and/or respect. IMO performances are all about a coach and how much he can get from his players. Macca can't even turn a team out that looks like it wants to win. I have critcised Macca but as yet have not called for him to be sacked, however it is time we started seeing some committment. No matter how many injuries there are the players (as quins did) should all show pride in their shirt!!
And I can still hear the 'do gooders' saying "get off their backs, we'll finish at the top by the end of the season, It'll all come right" I say lets get one thing clear. These players are not performing for Macca. I am fed up with people saying its not Maccas fault but the players must do it on the pitch. The truth is, if a coach cannot get the respect of his players. If they do not fear him or respect his qualities then it is time to get someone in who they will fear and/or respect. IMO performances are all about a coach and how much he can get from his players. Macca can't even turn a team out that looks like it wants to win. I have critcised Macca but as yet have not called for him to be sacked, however it is time we started seeing some committment. No matter how many injuries there are the players (as quins did) should all show pride in their shirt!!
Posted by: billy_bremner, bradford on 10:43am Tue 25 Mar 08
I went last night for the first time in about 2 years and i wont be rushing back! 7th place looks about right for where they will finish this year. Crowd was appalling aswell. 8k was it??? Absolutely no atmosphere either. about 20 quins fans that were there made more noise than the rest of odsal. Only players that looked any good good last night were Deacon (makes some good hits and yards given his size), Burgess (massive threat) and Halley (getting better with every game and looks more assured at fullback.
I went last night for the first time in about 2 years and i wont be rushing back! 7th place looks about right for where they will finish this year. Crowd was appalling aswell. 8k was it??? Absolutely no atmosphere either. about 20 quins fans that were there made more noise than the rest of odsal. Only players that looked any good good last night were Deacon (makes some good hits and yards given his size), Burgess (massive threat) and Halley (getting better with every game and looks more assured at fullback.
Posted by: Adrian, Bradford on 12:08pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench!
I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench!
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 12:25pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Adrian[/bold] wrote:
I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench![/quote] But isn't it amazing? six games into Super League and the players can't rustle up any enthusiasm for the game. How on earth have the Bulls come to this?
Adrian wrote:
I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench!
But isn't it amazing? six games into Super League and the players can't rustle up any enthusiasm for the game. How on earth have the Bulls come to this?
Posted by: B.Mann, N.Yorks on 12:26pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Same old excuses,week after week.The second half was as bad as the Leeds humiliation and two glaring errors from the Quins allowed us to escape a second embarrassment.Our team is simply too slow in all aspects but it is particularly noticable in our passing and play the ball.In reality instead of improving after our sluggish start we have actually got worse!
Same old excuses,week after week.The second half was as bad as the Leeds humiliation and two glaring errors from the Quins allowed us to escape a second embarrassment.Our team is simply too slow in all aspects but it is particularly noticable in our passing and play the ball.In reality instead of improving after our sluggish start we have actually got worse!
Posted by: blitzkrieg, bradford on 12:57pm Tue 25 Mar 08
give it a few more games and it will be like the old northern days 4,000 crowds and teams looking at as us thinking 2 easy points.
give it a few more games and it will be like the old northern days 4,000 crowds and teams looking at as us thinking 2 easy points.
Posted by: Adrian, Bradford on 1:10pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Adrian[/bold] wrote: I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench![/quote] But isn't it amazing? six games into Super League and the players can't rustle up any enthusiasm for the game. How on earth have the Bulls come to this?[/quote] Yeah it's **** amazing!
I said a few weeks ago that we're playing like a team that don't expect be there next year. Are they really expecting the Bulls to go under? If so, why not just let us all in on the secret so we don't have to waste our money!
haitch wrote:
Adrian wrote: I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench!
But isn't it amazing? six games into Super League and the players can't rustle up any enthusiasm for the game. How on earth have the Bulls come to this?
Yeah it's **** amazing!
I said a few weeks ago that we're playing like a team that don't expect be there next year. Are they really expecting the Bulls to go under? If so, why not just let us all in on the secret so we don't have to waste our money!
Posted by: Bagsy, Bingley on 1:10pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Those bemoaning performances at the moment need to remember the number of injuries we have. Also the quality of the the squad has gone right down since 2005 for a number of reasons, to lay all that at McNamara's door is a bit harsh I reckon.
Those bemoaning performances at the moment need to remember the number of injuries we have. Also the quality of the the squad has gone right down since 2005 for a number of reasons, to lay all that at McNamara's door is a bit harsh I reckon.
Posted by: Adrian, Bradford on 1:23pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Bagsy[/bold] wrote:
Those bemoaning performances at the moment need to remember the number of injuries we have. Also the quality of the the squad has gone right down since 2005 for a number of reasons, to lay all that at McNamara's door is a bit harsh I reckon. [/quote] I'm not blaming Macca, I'm blaming the players. They're the ones out there. Hape doesn't look interested, Nero has gone from solid as a rock in preseason to missing tackles for fun, Tadulala was brought in for pace and not so long back got caught by Andy Coley, possibly the worst GB international ever picked!
Plus, Quins have injuries, Cas have injuries, Wakey have injuries even Saints managed to trample us with one front rower!
Bagsy wrote:
Those bemoaning performances at the moment need to remember the number of injuries we have. Also the quality of the the squad has gone right down since 2005 for a number of reasons, to lay all that at McNamara's door is a bit harsh I reckon.
I'm not blaming Macca, I'm blaming the players. They're the ones out there. Hape doesn't look interested, Nero has gone from solid as a rock in preseason to missing tackles for fun, Tadulala was brought in for pace and not so long back got caught by Andy Coley, possibly the worst GB international ever picked!
Plus, Quins have injuries, Cas have injuries, Wakey have injuries even Saints managed to trample us with one front rower!
Posted by: BigBullyBooaza, Bradford on 1:51pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Adrian[/bold] wrote:
I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench![/quote] I'd get Crookes in now as the younger players are the only ones looking summat like.
Totally garbage yesterday and they would have lost if the Quins hadn't been so bad in attack.
Still even after a performance like that all the Quins players went over to the 12 quins fans to applaud them for their support. Shame we can't say the same about the Bulls after Thrusday's match.
I've supported them and defended them all along but that was totally unacceptable.
Adrian wrote:
I think one underlying issue seems to be coming to the fore, PRIDE! The fans are getting frustrated because we are all proud Bulls fans. It's a shame that some of the players aren't showing the same pride when out there. They have a sign up in the changing room saying Brutal, Uncompromising, Lethal, Loyal, Solid! Not one of them seems to be sinking in! Oh and Iestyn Harris is completely useless! He's done nothing this year, we've lost nearly every game he's been in and he insists on throwing intercept passes. I'd rather see Crookes on the bench!
I'd get Crookes in now as the younger players are the only ones looking summat like.
Totally garbage yesterday and they would have lost if the Quins hadn't been so bad in attack.
Still even after a performance like that all the Quins players went over to the 12 quins fans to applaud them for their support. Shame we can't say the same about the Bulls after Thrusday's match.
I've supported them and defended them all along but that was totally unacceptable.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 2:27pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I wonder how many Leeds players would dare to play like that for Mclennon or Saints Players for Anderson. Our coach may be exonerated by some on here but I can tell you, He appears to lack authority. The coach is no different to a good business manager. Only a strong and respected manager gets results and only a business manager with a good business plan will have success. If a team is not performing the chairman does not get rid of the players. He sacks the coach and if he replaces him with the right man he gets success, why?? because the really good coaches always get success. Now please.. will people stop defending Macca its his fault the players are not performing, no one elses and unless he shows some kind of strategy and authority soon and stops praising the players for playing as they are he'll have to go.Bagsy's talk of injuries simply can't be right..no matter who plays they should have fire in their bellies injuries or not.
I wonder how many Leeds players would dare to play like that for Mclennon or Saints Players for Anderson. Our coach may be exonerated by some on here but I can tell you, He appears to lack authority. The coach is no different to a good business manager. Only a strong and respected manager gets results and only a business manager with a good business plan will have success. If a team is not performing the chairman does not get rid of the players. He sacks the coach and if he replaces him with the right man he gets success, why?? because the really good coaches always get success. Now please.. will people stop defending Macca its his fault the players are not performing, no one elses and unless he shows some kind of strategy and authority soon and stops praising the players for playing as they are he'll have to go.Bagsy's talk of injuries simply can't be right..no matter who plays they should have fire in their bellies injuries or not.
Posted by: SHAUN, richmond on 3:28pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Wake up Mr Hood!!!!
Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!)
If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!!
Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal.
SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!!
So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!!
Wake up Mr Hood!!!!
Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!)
If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!!
Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal.
SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!!
So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!!
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 3:41pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]SHAUN[/bold] wrote:
Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!![/quote] Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future.
SHAUN wrote:
Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!!
Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future.
Posted by: BigBullyBooaza, Bradford on 4:19pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SHAUN[/bold] wrote: Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!![/quote] Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future. [/quote] Well actually there were only about 12 Quins fans yesterday (and they came from Huddersfield). Had they brought a decent amount it would have been near an average gate which wouldn't have been bad considering. Also we've managed 3 wins out of the last four only losing to Leeds away so I wouldn't get hysterical like you two. Did either of you two go to the game last night by the way if you're complaining about attendances?
Fact is they have been garbage so far this season but they haven't gone that far that they can't salvage anything from the season.
I just hope that the players respond on Sunday because if they think that last night made up for Thursday they are miles away.
haitch wrote:
SHAUN wrote: Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!!
Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future.
Well actually there were only about 12 Quins fans yesterday (and they came from Huddersfield). Had they brought a decent amount it would have been near an average gate which wouldn't have been bad considering. Also we've managed 3 wins out of the last four only losing to Leeds away so I wouldn't get hysterical like you two. Did either of you two go to the game last night by the way if you're complaining about attendances?
Fact is they have been garbage so far this season but they haven't gone that far that they can't salvage anything from the season.
I just hope that the players respond on Sunday because if they think that last night made up for Thursday they are miles away.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 5:47pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]BigBullyBooaza[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]SHAUN[/bold] wrote: Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!![/quote] Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future. [/quote] Well actually there were only about 12 Quins fans yesterday (and they came from Huddersfield). Had they brought a decent amount it would have been near an average gate which wouldn't have been bad considering. Also we've managed 3 wins out of the last four only losing to Leeds away so I wouldn't get hysterical like you two. Did either of you two go to the game last night by the way if you're complaining about attendances? Fact is they have been garbage so far this season but they haven't gone that far that they can't salvage anything from the season. I just hope that the players respond on Sunday because if they think that last night made up for Thursday they are miles away. [/quote] There you go Bully. At least the drum we are banging about the present state of affairs does't have some crystal ball as to what might happen in the future. Our criticism is after all based upon fact. Your comment about us not being there is typical of you lads trying to talk up a dire situation. No I'm afraid I am not doing a 200 mile round trip these day to watch them but I would have in the past. I don't know your record as a fan Bully but I was watching when we played against such as Alex Murphy and also saw Stevo playing for Penrith when I was in Aussie for a while. I was also a Vice president ticket holder at the Bulls for many years so please don't talk fans to me. If you call criticism hysteria then yes, I can see you have the same mindset as Macca who seems to react in the same manner. No offence meant buy the way.
BigBullyBooaza wrote:
haitch wrote: SHAUN wrote: Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!!
Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future.
Well actually there were only about 12 Quins fans yesterday (and they came from Huddersfield). Had they brought a decent amount it would have been near an average gate which wouldn't have been bad considering. Also we've managed 3 wins out of the last four only losing to Leeds away so I wouldn't get hysterical like you two. Did either of you two go to the game last night by the way if you're complaining about attendances? Fact is they have been garbage so far this season but they haven't gone that far that they can't salvage anything from the season. I just hope that the players respond on Sunday because if they think that last night made up for Thursday they are miles away.
There you go Bully. At least the drum we are banging about the present state of affairs does't have some crystal ball as to what might happen in the future. Our criticism is after all based upon fact. Your comment about us not being there is typical of you lads trying to talk up a dire situation. No I'm afraid I am not doing a 200 mile round trip these day to watch them but I would have in the past. I don't know your record as a fan Bully but I was watching when we played against such as Alex Murphy and also saw Stevo playing for Penrith when I was in Aussie for a while. I was also a Vice president ticket holder at the Bulls for many years so please don't talk fans to me. If you call criticism hysteria then yes, I can see you have the same mindset as Macca who seems to react in the same manner. No offence meant buy the way.
Posted by: SHAUN, richmond on 6:01pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BigBullyBooaza[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]SHAUN[/bold] wrote: Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!![/quote] Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future. [/quote] Well actually there were only about 12 Quins fans yesterday (and they came from Huddersfield). Had they brought a decent amount it would have been near an average gate which wouldn't have been bad considering. Also we've managed 3 wins out of the last four only losing to Leeds away so I wouldn't get hysterical like you two. Did either of you two go to the game last night by the way if you're complaining about attendances? Fact is they have been garbage so far this season but they haven't gone that far that they can't salvage anything from the season. I just hope that the players respond on Sunday because if they think that last night made up for Thursday they are miles away. [/quote] There you go Bully. At least the drum we are banging about the present state of affairs does't have some crystal ball as to what might happen in the future. Our criticism is after all based upon fact. Your comment about us not being there is typical of you lads trying to talk up a dire situation. No I'm afraid I am not doing a 200 mile round trip these day to watch them but I would have in the past. I don't know your record as a fan Bully but I was watching when we played against such as Alex Murphy and also saw Stevo playing for Penrith when I was in Aussie for a while. I was also a Vice president ticket holder at the Bulls for many years so please don't talk fans to me. If you call criticism hysteria then yes, I can see you have the same mindset as Macca who seems to react in the same manner. No offence meant buy the way.[/quote] I attend ALL Bulls games and have only missed about 10 in 30 years, but so what!!
Haitch may not go now , but he talks a lot more sense than you!!!
Get back to your magic mushrooms you idiot!!
haitch wrote:
BigBullyBooaza wrote: haitch wrote: SHAUN wrote: Wake up Mr Hood!!!! Instead of calling on Bulls fans to support the Rhinos (still cant believe that one!!) If you havnt realised the Bulls are a shadow of what they used to be, the crowd have!! Very soon we could be playing spot the Bulls fan at Odsal. SM is starting to talk rubbish, and it just wont wash!! So wakey, wakey Mr Hood time to act!!!
Spot on Shaun. Is SM for real saying he's excited about the future.
Well actually there were only about 12 Quins fans yesterday (and they came from Huddersfield). Had they brought a decent amount it would have been near an average gate which wouldn't have been bad considering. Also we've managed 3 wins out of the last four only losing to Leeds away so I wouldn't get hysterical like you two. Did either of you two go to the game last night by the way if you're complaining about attendances? Fact is they have been garbage so far this season but they haven't gone that far that they can't salvage anything from the season. I just hope that the players respond on Sunday because if they think that last night made up for Thursday they are miles away.
There you go Bully. At least the drum we are banging about the present state of affairs does't have some crystal ball as to what might happen in the future. Our criticism is after all based upon fact. Your comment about us not being there is typical of you lads trying to talk up a dire situation. No I'm afraid I am not doing a 200 mile round trip these day to watch them but I would have in the past. I don't know your record as a fan Bully but I was watching when we played against such as Alex Murphy and also saw Stevo playing for Penrith when I was in Aussie for a while. I was also a Vice president ticket holder at the Bulls for many years so please don't talk fans to me. If you call criticism hysteria then yes, I can see you have the same mindset as Macca who seems to react in the same manner. No offence meant buy the way.
I attend ALL Bulls games and have only missed about 10 in 30 years, but so what!!
Haitch may not go now , but he talks a lot more sense than you!!!
Get back to your magic mushrooms you idiot!!
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 10:14pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Brian[/bold] wrote:
We don't deserve a good side because collectively we're wankers. After all the good times with the Bulls this is how you carry on 8 games into a season towards a coach who played in our first chamion winning side for a generation. We've even got Billy Bremner telling us he's only been to one game and he isn't coming back. When Wigan were struggling against relegation their crowds went up. What do the Bulls get? Half a dozen tosspots sounding off WHEN WE'VE WON 3 OUT THE LAST 4. If the Bulls are in decline it's because of you not willing to put your shoulder to the wheel when things get tough. [/quote] Nice one Brian. Language and all. Let me try to put this to you with all respect. People who sound off and criticise believe THEY are the true fans. They care so passionately and can't understand people such as yourself who say all the good times of the past mean that we should forgive the mayhem of the present. We see it as lack of action from you 'pacifists' who, quite frankly find it hard to say a wrong word against anyone at the club. We see this as dangerous and likely to cause further decline.
On the other hand we feel it pays to criticise where criticism is due and it certainly is due at the moment. This criticism is designed to make things happen.
The only way I can put it is..If the roof leaks you can put a bucket under it or climb up and fix it..I know what I'd do.
Please try to understand we all have the welfare of the club at heart and certainly don't fit any of the names you wish to call us. lol..
Brian wrote:
We don't deserve a good side because collectively we're wankers. After all the good times with the Bulls this is how you carry on 8 games into a season towards a coach who played in our first chamion winning side for a generation. We've even got Billy Bremner telling us he's only been to one game and he isn't coming back. When Wigan were struggling against relegation their crowds went up. What do the Bulls get? Half a dozen tosspots sounding off WHEN WE'VE WON 3 OUT THE LAST 4. If the Bulls are in decline it's because of you not willing to put your shoulder to the wheel when things get tough.
Nice one Brian. Language and all. Let me try to put this to you with all respect. People who sound off and criticise believe THEY are the true fans. They care so passionately and can't understand people such as yourself who say all the good times of the past mean that we should forgive the mayhem of the present. We see it as lack of action from you 'pacifists' who, quite frankly find it hard to say a wrong word against anyone at the club. We see this as dangerous and likely to cause further decline.
On the other hand we feel it pays to criticise where criticism is due and it certainly is due at the moment. This criticism is designed to make things happen.
The only way I can put it is..If the roof leaks you can put a bucket under it or climb up and fix it..I know what I'd do.
Please try to understand we all have the welfare of the club at heart and certainly don't fit any of the names you wish to call us. lol..
Posted by: micksey, wibsey on 10:23pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Wittering s**theads! Give it a REST all of you, this is hysterical codswallop you're all talking! Macnamara's job is to lift his players, work with his players and get them going forwards, there isn't a coach in the world who'll do what some of you expect and comne and out lambast them because that will make everything 10 times worse! Now we've had the good time a plenty with the Bulls, this is a tough start and noone's enjoying it but we need to support the bloody team and shuttup drivelling on like old women!
Wittering s**theads! Give it a REST all of you, this is hysterical codswallop you're all talking! Macnamara's job is to lift his players, work with his players and get them going forwards, there isn't a coach in the world who'll do what some of you expect and comne and out lambast them because that will make everything 10 times worse! Now we've had the good time a plenty with the Bulls, this is a tough start and noone's enjoying it but we need to support the bloody team and shuttup drivelling on like old women!
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 10:30pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote:
Wittering s**theads! Give it a REST all of you, this is hysterical codswallop you're all talking! Macnamara's job is to lift his players, work with his players and get them going forwards, there isn't a coach in the world who'll do what some of you expect and comne and out lambast them because that will make everything 10 times worse! Now we've had the good time a plenty with the Bulls, this is a tough start and noone's enjoying it but we need to support the bloody team and shuttup drivelling on like old women! [/quote] calm down micksey. we really do have the club at heart How come you like to sound off at us but feel Macca would make it worse if he did the same to the players??? inconsistency there mate!!
micksey wrote:
Wittering s**theads! Give it a REST all of you, this is hysterical codswallop you're all talking! Macnamara's job is to lift his players, work with his players and get them going forwards, there isn't a coach in the world who'll do what some of you expect and comne and out lambast them because that will make everything 10 times worse! Now we've had the good time a plenty with the Bulls, this is a tough start and noone's enjoying it but we need to support the bloody team and shuttup drivelling on like old women!
calm down micksey. we really do have the club at heart How come you like to sound off at us but feel Macca would make it worse if he did the same to the players??? inconsistency there mate!!
Posted by: cj on 10:57pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I'm with Brian and micksey on this one. all those that are calling for maccas head, just who would you put in his place at this time in the season, and please don't say jimmy lowes.
getting rid of a coach so early in the season is absolute rubbish. who have we lost to....wigan, away. saints at home, wakey, away and leeds away. there are no easy teams in super league and no one team has a right to be at the top. it's the turn of leeds at the moment but not many seasons ago they were s***e and winning nothing, did they sack their coaches??? what about jon sharpe at huddersfield, are they calling for his head or peter sharpe at hull? come on get real. I'm not happy with the way we are playing but moaning like hell isn't going to do anything other than send your own blood pressure soaring. if you haven't any practical suggestions then stop moaning, and just saying get rid of macca isn't practical.
I'm with Brian and micksey on this one. all those that are calling for maccas head, just who would you put in his place at this time in the season, and please don't say jimmy lowes.
getting rid of a coach so early in the season is absolute rubbish. who have we lost to....wigan, away. saints at home, wakey, away and leeds away. there are no easy teams in super league and no one team has a right to be at the top. it's the turn of leeds at the moment but not many seasons ago they were s***e and winning nothing, did they sack their coaches??? what about jon sharpe at huddersfield, are they calling for his head or peter sharpe at hull? come on get real. I'm not happy with the way we are playing but moaning like hell isn't going to do anything other than send your own blood pressure soaring. if you haven't any practical suggestions then stop moaning, and just saying get rid of macca isn't practical.
Posted by: Brian, Wibsey on 8:54am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Brian[/bold] wrote: We don't deserve a good side because collectively we're wankers. After all the good times with the Bulls this is how you carry on 8 games into a season towards a coach who played in our first chamion winning side for a generation. We've even got Billy Bremner telling us he's only been to one game and he isn't coming back. When Wigan were struggling against relegation their crowds went up. What do the Bulls get? Half a dozen tosspots sounding off WHEN WE'VE WON 3 OUT THE LAST 4. If the Bulls are in decline it's because of you not willing to put your shoulder to the wheel when things get tough. [/quote] Nice one Brian. Language and all. Let me try to put this to you with all respect. People who sound off and criticise believe THEY are the true fans. They care so passionately and can't understand people such as yourself who say all the good times of the past mean that we should forgive the mayhem of the present. We see it as lack of action from you 'pacifists' who, quite frankly find it hard to say a wrong word against anyone at the club. We see this as dangerous and likely to cause further decline. On the other hand we feel it pays to criticise where criticism is due and it certainly is due at the moment. This criticism is designed to make things happen. The only way I can put it is..If the roof leaks you can put a bucket under it or climb up and fix it..I know what I'd do. Please try to understand we all have the welfare of the club at heart and certainly don't fit any of the names you wish to call us. lol..[/quote] Ask yourself this Haitch, 'not knowing much about the greatest game and having read the comments on this board would you come to Odsal?'
We are talking ourselves into decline. 'Mayhem', 'garbage', 'Macnamara sacked'. 8 games into a season when we have won 3 out of our last 4????? When we're racked with injuries and putting a new team together????
If things are still the same at the season's end then fair enough but until then please, be an adult. It's SPORT and those who demand comprehensive victory after comprehensive victory simply don't get it.
haitch wrote:
Brian wrote: We don't deserve a good side because collectively we're wankers. After all the good times with the Bulls this is how you carry on 8 games into a season towards a coach who played in our first chamion winning side for a generation. We've even got Billy Bremner telling us he's only been to one game and he isn't coming back. When Wigan were struggling against relegation their crowds went up. What do the Bulls get? Half a dozen tosspots sounding off WHEN WE'VE WON 3 OUT THE LAST 4. If the Bulls are in decline it's because of you not willing to put your shoulder to the wheel when things get tough.
Nice one Brian. Language and all. Let me try to put this to you with all respect. People who sound off and criticise believe THEY are the true fans. They care so passionately and can't understand people such as yourself who say all the good times of the past mean that we should forgive the mayhem of the present. We see it as lack of action from you 'pacifists' who, quite frankly find it hard to say a wrong word against anyone at the club. We see this as dangerous and likely to cause further decline. On the other hand we feel it pays to criticise where criticism is due and it certainly is due at the moment. This criticism is designed to make things happen. The only way I can put it is..If the roof leaks you can put a bucket under it or climb up and fix it..I know what I'd do. Please try to understand we all have the welfare of the club at heart and certainly don't fit any of the names you wish to call us. lol..
Ask yourself this Haitch, 'not knowing much about the greatest game and having read the comments on this board would you come to Odsal?'
We are talking ourselves into decline. 'Mayhem', 'garbage', 'Macnamara sacked'. 8 games into a season when we have won 3 out of our last 4????? When we're racked with injuries and putting a new team together????
If things are still the same at the season's end then fair enough but until then please, be an adult. It's SPORT and those who demand comprehensive victory after comprehensive victory simply don't get it.
Posted by: micksey, wibsey on 9:12am Wed 26 Mar 08
I think the above point about talking ourselves into decline is absolutely BANG ON! This is the time when good supoorters rally round and lift the players not the opposite.
I think the above point about talking ourselves into decline is absolutely BANG ON! This is the time when good supoorters rally round and lift the players not the opposite.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 9:17am Wed 26 Mar 08
First of all I have never used te words 'garbage' or "Macnamara sacked" These words have come from others. Plus as I draw my winter fuel allowancw I do consider myself an adult and as I have watched Northern /Bulls for most of my life I do know a little about RL and situations such as the one the Bulls are in now. Forums are there for all of us to discuss these aspects and we are all very unlikely to have the same opinions. Just because someone may not have the same opinion as you does not mean you should name-call or class thm as childish, in fact not being able to accept a differing view to your own is indeed more like childishness. But as regards the game.. someone has already mentioned Wigan as a benchmark for gates actually going up when they are loosing and you know why?? because they don't sit back and do nothing. They are notorious for sacking the coach and bringing in a new face and new players and the crowds keep coming. I know we can't afford to do the same as Wigan but there is a point there , that sacking a coach who is not getting results is not necessarily a bad thing.
First of all I have never used te words 'garbage' or "Macnamara sacked" These words have come from others. Plus as I draw my winter fuel allowancw I do consider myself an adult and as I have watched Northern /Bulls for most of my life I do know a little about RL and situations such as the one the Bulls are in now. Forums are there for all of us to discuss these aspects and we are all very unlikely to have the same opinions. Just because someone may not have the same opinion as you does not mean you should name-call or class thm as childish, in fact not being able to accept a differing view to your own is indeed more like childishness. But as regards the game.. someone has already mentioned Wigan as a benchmark for gates actually going up when they are loosing and you know why?? because they don't sit back and do nothing. They are notorious for sacking the coach and bringing in a new face and new players and the crowds keep coming. I know we can't afford to do the same as Wigan but there is a point there , that sacking a coach who is not getting results is not necessarily a bad thing.
Posted by: SHAUN, richmond on 9:19am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote:
I think the above point about talking ourselves into decline is absolutely BANG ON! This is the time when good supoorters rally round and lift the players not the opposite. [/quote] You went to Headingley then???
You being a "good" supporter?
Thought not!!!
micksey wrote:
I think the above point about talking ourselves into decline is absolutely BANG ON! This is the time when good supoorters rally round and lift the players not the opposite.
You went to Headingley then???
You being a "good" supporter?
Thought not!!!
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 9:26am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]SHAUN[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: I think the above point about talking ourselves into decline is absolutely BANG ON! This is the time when good supoorters rally round and lift the players not the opposite. [/quote] You went to Headingley then??? You being a "good" supporter? Thought not!!![/quote] It's got nothing to do with the supporters. You can't talk a club into decline! It's inactivity by the Board which results in a clubs demise. Don't worry.
SHAUN wrote:
micksey wrote: I think the above point about talking ourselves into decline is absolutely BANG ON! This is the time when good supoorters rally round and lift the players not the opposite.
You went to Headingley then??? You being a "good" supporter? Thought not!!!
It's got nothing to do with the supporters. You can't talk a club into decline! It's inactivity by the Board which results in a clubs demise. Don't worry.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 9:30am Wed 26 Mar 08
Actually, I'm wondering..If we have won 3 out of 4 Shouldn't Macca be named Coach of the Month??
Actually, I'm wondering..If we have won 3 out of 4 Shouldn't Macca be named Coach of the Month??
Posted by: Brian, Wibsey on 11:17am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote:
First of all I have never used te words 'garbage' or "Macnamara sacked" These words have come from others. Plus as I draw my winter fuel allowancw I do consider myself an adult and as I have watched Northern /Bulls for most of my life I do know a little about RL and situations such as the one the Bulls are in now. Forums are there for all of us to discuss these aspects and we are all very unlikely to have the same opinions. Just because someone may not have the same opinion as you does not mean you should name-call or class thm as childish, in fact not being able to accept a differing view to your own is indeed more like childishness. But as regards the game.. someone has already mentioned Wigan as a benchmark for gates actually going up when they are loosing and you know why?? because they don't sit back and do nothing. They are notorious for sacking the coach and bringing in a new face and new players and the crowds keep coming. I know we can't afford to do the same as Wigan but there is a point there , that sacking a coach who is not getting results is not necessarily a bad thing.[/quote] Umpteen coaches in as many years has actually caused Wigan's demise. Since John Monie won the title in 98 (I think) they've had no stability and consequently ended up nearly getting relegated (many would argue they should have done). You have to give the guy time to sort out the long term problems at the club. For what it's worth I think a man who played for us with distinction in a title winning side deserves a bit more support than he's getting from some on here.
Leeds didn't win the SL until 2004 yet their crowds went up year on year despite us giving them some terrible beatings.
haitch wrote:
First of all I have never used te words 'garbage' or "Macnamara sacked" These words have come from others. Plus as I draw my winter fuel allowancw I do consider myself an adult and as I have watched Northern /Bulls for most of my life I do know a little about RL and situations such as the one the Bulls are in now. Forums are there for all of us to discuss these aspects and we are all very unlikely to have the same opinions. Just because someone may not have the same opinion as you does not mean you should name-call or class thm as childish, in fact not being able to accept a differing view to your own is indeed more like childishness. But as regards the game.. someone has already mentioned Wigan as a benchmark for gates actually going up when they are loosing and you know why?? because they don't sit back and do nothing. They are notorious for sacking the coach and bringing in a new face and new players and the crowds keep coming. I know we can't afford to do the same as Wigan but there is a point there , that sacking a coach who is not getting results is not necessarily a bad thing.
Umpteen coaches in as many years has actually caused Wigan's demise. Since John Monie won the title in 98 (I think) they've had no stability and consequently ended up nearly getting relegated (many would argue they should have done). You have to give the guy time to sort out the long term problems at the club. For what it's worth I think a man who played for us with distinction in a title winning side deserves a bit more support than he's getting from some on here.
Leeds didn't win the SL until 2004 yet their crowds went up year on year despite us giving them some terrible beatings.
Posted by: haitch, Lincolnshire on 11:35am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Brian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: First of all I have never used te words 'garbage' or "Macnamara sacked" These words have come from others. Plus as I draw my winter fuel allowancw I do consider myself an adult and as I have watched Northern /Bulls for most of my life I do know a little about RL and situations such as the one the Bulls are in now. Forums are there for all of us to discuss these aspects and we are all very unlikely to have the same opinions. Just because someone may not have the same opinion as you does not mean you should name-call or class thm as childish, in fact not being able to accept a differing view to your own is indeed more like childishness. But as regards the game.. someone has already mentioned Wigan as a benchmark for gates actually going up when they are loosing and you know why?? because they don't sit back and do nothing. They are notorious for sacking the coach and bringing in a new face and new players and the crowds keep coming. I know we can't afford to do the same as Wigan but there is a point there , that sacking a coach who is not getting results is not necessarily a bad thing.[/quote] Umpteen coaches in as many years has actually caused Wigan's demise. Since John Monie won the title in 98 (I think) they've had no stability and consequently ended up nearly getting relegated (many would argue they should have done). You have to give the guy time to sort out the long term problems at the club. For what it's worth I think a man who played for us with distinction in a title winning side deserves a bit more support than he's getting from some on here. Leeds didn't win the SL until 2004 yet their crowds went up year on year despite us giving them some terrible beatings. [/quote] Your right of course Brian. Changing coaches can lead to all sorts of probs. I was really suggesting it might work in the context of arresting falling gates and Bulls haven't arrived at that stage yet. I don't expect Macca to be sacked and I'm sure He'll get all the time to correct things as you suggest. As a young coach it is an enormous task to halt a slide in performances and a task many experienced coaches dread. Should he in fact turn things around he'll be hailed as a hero!! Good luck to him I say.
Brian wrote:
haitch wrote: First of all I have never used te words 'garbage' or "Macnamara sacked" These words have come from others. Plus as I draw my winter fuel allowancw I do consider myself an adult and as I have watched Northern /Bulls for most of my life I do know a little about RL and situations such as the one the Bulls are in now. Forums are there for all of us to discuss these aspects and we are all very unlikely to have the same opinions. Just because someone may not have the same opinion as you does not mean you should name-call or class thm as childish, in fact not being able to accept a differing view to your own is indeed more like childishness. But as regards the game.. someone has already mentioned Wigan as a benchmark for gates actually going up when they are loosing and you know why?? because they don't sit back and do nothing. They are notorious for sacking the coach and bringing in a new face and new players and the crowds keep coming. I know we can't afford to do the same as Wigan but there is a point there , that sacking a coach who is not getting results is not necessarily a bad thing.
Umpteen coaches in as many years has actually caused Wigan's demise. Since John Monie won the title in 98 (I think) they've had no stability and consequently ended up nearly getting relegated (many would argue they should have done). You have to give the guy time to sort out the long term problems at the club. For what it's worth I think a man who played for us with distinction in a title winning side deserves a bit more support than he's getting from some on here. Leeds didn't win the SL until 2004 yet their crowds went up year on year despite us giving them some terrible beatings.
Your right of course Brian. Changing coaches can lead to all sorts of probs. I was really suggesting it might work in the context of arresting falling gates and Bulls haven't arrived at that stage yet. I don't expect Macca to be sacked and I'm sure He'll get all the time to correct things as you suggest. As a young coach it is an enormous task to halt a slide in performances and a task many experienced coaches dread. Should he in fact turn things around he'll be hailed as a hero!! Good luck to him I say.
Posted by: Rob. Thornbury, Bradford on 2:29pm Wed 26 Mar 08
i agree with those calling for macca's head, he isnt gettin the players up when there at a low point, he shud hav taught them a fing or 2 and we would hav hammered harlequins, no offence to them but we should be beating them convincingly.
also what's the betting that come sunday, platt will be back in the side? when dave halley is a much better player, faster and isnt scared to just run in2 tackles unlike platty who tiptoes, we payed good money for him but he needs to go back to his old self, the 1 we bought him for.
but halley cannot be dropped, the form he is showing is awesome and he is easily the best bulls player at mo.
i agree with those calling for macca's head, he isnt gettin the players up when there at a low point, he shud hav taught them a fing or 2 and we would hav hammered harlequins, no offence to them but we should be beating them convincingly.
also what's the betting that come sunday, platt will be back in the side? when dave halley is a much better player, faster and isnt scared to just run in2 tackles unlike platty who tiptoes, we payed good money for him but he needs to go back to his old self, the 1 we bought him for.
but halley cannot be dropped, the form he is showing is awesome and he is easily the best bulls player at mo.
Posted by: cj on 11:14pm Wed 26 Mar 08
SHUD HAV, FING??? I THINK SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TEACHING A "FING" OF 2! there are no easy teams in s/l now so to suggest that one team should be beaten conbincingly is utter rubbish.
SHUD HAV, FING??? I THINK SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TEACHING A "FING" OF 2! there are no easy teams in s/l now so to suggest that one team should be beaten conbincingly is utter rubbish.
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