Bradford school truancy: 127 parents prosecuted (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Bradford school truancy: 127 parents prosecuted
10:50am Tuesday 31st January 2012 in News By Hannah Baker
Almost 130 parents have been prosecuted in Bradford for allowing their children to skip school with nearly a quarter of them living in the BD5 postcode area, latest figures show.
A total of 127 prosecutions and 162 penalty notices were issued in 2010 and 2011, Bradford Council has revealed, with parents and guardians in Bankfoot, Little Horton and West Bowling, which make up BD5, accounting for 28 prosecutions and 41 penalty notices.
The BD4 area, which includes Bierley, East Bowling, Laisterdyke, Tong, Holme Wood and Tyersal, saw the second highest number of penalty notices issued – 36 – while BD6, which covers Buttershaw and Wibsey, accounted for the second largest share of prosecutions, 20.
Fines issued by magistrates during the period ranged from £30 to £525 with £350 the standard fine for prolonged absences and £175 the standard for short periods of absence.
No parents were sent to prison as a result of being prosecuted but other punishments imposed included community orders under supervision of the Probation Service, unpaid work, attendance at parenting courses and the Together Women Programme and absolute and conditional discharges.
Councillor Glen Miller, leader of the Council’s Conservative Group, who asked for the figures from Councillor Ralph Berry, executive member for children’s services, at a full Council meeting earlier this month, said he was keen to identify why some schools in the district were making more progress than others.
He said: “We see excellent schools out there and the portfolio holder is very quick to attach his name to schools who get fantastic Ofsted reports but we still have across the district failing schools and poor attendance. I was trying to find out how many because sometimes it’s not the fault of the children. Concerns have been raised with me about poor attendance.”
Responding to the figures, Coun Berry said: “Generally school attendance issues have been improving. There’s far more action taking place at school level. We need to use the full range of options in this area.
“I do know schools are trying to get involved early on rather than follow the enforcement route. Enforcement needs to be taken only when other measures haven’t been effective. If a schools doesn’t meet its benchmark attendance then it will fail its Ofsted inspection. Anything we can do to raise the profile of ensuring school attendance is necessary. It’s the one opportunity children have to get a good education and we shouldn’t forget that.”
Michael Latham, head teacher at Newby Primary School in Ryan Street, West Bowling, said he believed parents of children at primary schools in BD5 were seldom prosecuted with attendance levels generally high. He said: “As a rule, primary schools do not issue penalty notices or prosecute parents for their children’s non-attendance although this is an option in extreme cases. In BD5, the schools have excellent working relationships with the community and non-attendance is picked up early and acted on.
“It is often a case of parents wanting their children to come to school but having to deal with short-term family difficulties.”
Comments(70)
ertnec
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11:13am Tue 31 Jan 12
Joedavid
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11:27am Tue 31 Jan 12
buffetlegs
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12:16pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Bone_idle18
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12:17pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Mojohappy4
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12:37pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie
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1:03pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Mojohappy4 wrote:There are ample opportunities for parents to be involved with the school if they are bothered to take the time to find out, i notice you only mention no involvement from the school when you wanted something from them, i do wonder what involvement you had in your childs schooling when your child was fit and well.
As a parent of a child that had a serious accident and could not attend school at all for at least 6 months and then after that only on a part time basis due to rehabilitation after surgery, I found the school to be less than helpful. I kept the school fully informed of the situation daily, weekly and monthly. The school never offered any support other than sending work home (which they then lost (on one occasion) and I had not copied it and so he had to complete it again!). We were invited into school only once (18 months after the accident) with the school social worker in attendance too. At which point they informed us that my son was entitled to 5 hours home tutoring a week but needed a doctors note before this could be sanctioned. I did ask why we had not been informed of this right at the start but received no response to this! Teachers/schools need to be more involved with their pupils and parents although I do appreciated there are situations where pupils and parents WILL NOT / do not want to be involved. These are the ones that should be taken to task. The school/LA let my son and us down something I will not forgive. The trauma of the accident was bad enough nevermind the school being more that useless!!!!!
Prisoner Cell Block A
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1:18pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie
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1:31pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam
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1:53pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:i send my children to school to learn,it is the schools job to teach,not parents,my children go school everyday and mosque at LEAST four time a week,they have fun time at home,not work work work.
I work and im a parent, are you seriously asking what involvement a parent can have in a childs education even when they attend school and are fit and well? Its not just the teachers job to teach your children,As a parent you need to be involved in their education if you want them to have the edge when it comes to university and decent jobs, if your happy for your child to bimble through school the wind up at the back of the queue when it comes to future opportunities then shame on you!
Albion.
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2:00pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Nonsense! You should tale every opportunity to teach things to your children.
william bodie wrote:i send my children to school to learn,it is the schools job to teach,not parents,my children go school everyday and mosque at LEAST four time a week,they have fun time at home,not work work work.
I work and im a parent, are you seriously asking what involvement a parent can have in a childs education even when they attend school and are fit and well? Its not just the teachers job to teach your children,As a parent you need to be involved in their education if you want them to have the edge when it comes to university and decent jobs, if your happy for your child to bimble through school the wind up at the back of the queue when it comes to future opportunities then shame on you!
Albion.
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2:01pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Albion. wrote:*take. (see what happens when parents don't help?)
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Nonsense! You should tale every opportunity to teach things to your children.
william bodie wrote:i send my children to school to learn,it is the schools job to teach,not parents,my children go school everyday and mosque at LEAST four time a week,they have fun time at home,not work work work.
I work and im a parent, are you seriously asking what involvement a parent can have in a childs education even when they attend school and are fit and well? Its not just the teachers job to teach your children,As a parent you need to be involved in their education if you want them to have the edge when it comes to university and decent jobs, if your happy for your child to bimble through school the wind up at the back of the queue when it comes to future opportunities then shame on you!
P.I.M.P.S
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2:16pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Have you all lost your touch??
Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?
Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:19pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:I am seriously asking. Some parents genuinely do not have the time or even the ability in some cases to do that bit extra.
I work and im a parent, are you seriously asking what involvement a parent can have in a childs education even when they attend school and are fit and well? Its not just the teachers job to teach your children,As a parent you need to be involved in their education if you want them to have the edge when it comes to university and decent jobs, if your happy for your child to bimble through school the wind up at the back of the queue when it comes to future opportunities then shame on you!
I myself not only set extra homework for my 3 sons, pestered the school to give more, which they continually failed to do hence the need for me to set and help with the extra and also undertook the extra tasks of football coaching from u8s to u18s. Not everyone can do this.
The crux of the matter is that if schools fit in with the rest of the working world and did full days not half days there would be little need for anyone to leave with a less than average education or to have to set and or mark homework outside working hours. If only 5 and 3/4 hours per day are set aside for teaching out of an 8 hour day there is a ridiculous shortfall of hours that could be used.
Teachers are paid to TEACH, I am paid to ensure the back systems of my companies IT infrastructure are fully functional 24/7, pardon me if I expect a teacher to spend part of his day teaching my kids. ( pointless argument here as two are in full time work and one at college) Unless you want to suggest I request Thomas Danby to allow me to go against all their teaching and mentoring methods and use my own to achieve a bit of a crap result once my son has to pass his finals.
Parents can only do so much, if your child can hold a knife and fork, communicate in both speech and literacy, is polite and able to learn then as a parent you have done your job. For your child to learn Trigonometry, French, Physics, Chemistry they need to be taught by specialists in an agreed format, ie the curriculum.
Ramadam_Sam
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2:20pm Tue 31 Jan 12
P.I.M.P.S wrote:well said,homewood,butter
What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?
shaw,queensbury will top that list,no problems in most asian schools,parents are strickter and more diciplined as the figures wil show
william bodie
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2:23pm Tue 31 Jan 12
P.I.M.P.S wrote:stick to the point, anyway Little Horton and west Bowling were the worst area, hardly middle England.
What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting....
Have you all lost your touch??
Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?
With regards to the other comment on "schools are for teaching and home is for fun" well im lost for words.
Ramadam_Sam
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2:33pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:well you would be,ive seen you comments before,and as i have in others said you remind me of hitler,bringing race onto the eqation once more,you belong in 1940 germany.
P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?stick to the point, anyway Little Horton and west Bowling were the worst area, hardly middle England. With regards to the other comment on "schools are for teaching and home is for fun" well im lost for words.
Thee Voice of Reason
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2:33pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:I think you two will be the best of buddies on here.
P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?well said,homewood,butter shaw,queensbury will top that list,no problems in most asian schools,parents are strickter and more diciplined as the figures wil show
Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:37pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie
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2:38pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Read the story your commenting on fool, it tells you which area is at the top of the list at the beginning of the story, maybe if you had a bit more help in your education you would be able to enter into a forum of this nature.
P.I.M.P.S wrote:well said,homewood,butter
What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?
shaw,queensbury will top that list,no problems in most asian schools,parents are strickter and more diciplined as the figures wil show
PRISONER- i do get what your saying regarding schools, all im saying is if the system isnt right then we dont simply give up, we do it ourselves, for our kids, and if we dont know how then we go and find out, not give in, but each to their own.
Huneybunch
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2:42pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:It is every parents job to teach their children, not just the school. School give education in-order for the child to pass exams, BUT its the parents that teach social skills, like manners or didnt you know this! That means kids learn to say please and thank you
william bodie wrote: I work and im a parent, are you seriously asking what involvement a parent can have in a childs education even when they attend school and are fit and well? Its not just the teachers job to teach your children,As a parent you need to be involved in their education if you want them to have the edge when it comes to university and decent jobs, if your happy for your child to bimble through school the wind up at the back of the queue when it comes to future opportunities then shame on you!i send my children to school to learn,it is the schools job to teach,not parents,my children go school everyday and mosque at LEAST four time a week,they have fun time at home,not work work work.
william bodie
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2:42pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:what on earth are you talking about, you utter moron, if you havent anything to say about the state of this country's education go and do some finger painting or something you can manage.
william bodie wrote:well you would be,ive seen you comments before,and as i have in others said you remind me of hitler,bringing race onto the eqation once more,you belong in 1940 germany.
P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?stick to the point, anyway Little Horton and west Bowling were the worst area, hardly middle England. With regards to the other comment on "schools are for teaching and home is for fun" well im lost for words.
Ramadam_Sam
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2:44pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:nonsence.i have read the article,the kids on theses estates are out of control,due to no education and NO dicipline,you are the fool wearing the blinkers.
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Read the story your commenting on fool, it tells you which area is at the top of the list at the beginning of the story, maybe if you had a bit more help in your education you would be able to enter into a forum of this nature. PRISONER- i do get what your saying regarding schools, all im saying is if the system isnt right then we dont simply give up, we do it ourselves, for our kids, and if we dont know how then we go and find out, not give in, but each to their own.P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?well said,homewood,butter shaw,queensbury will top that list,no problems in most asian schools,parents are strickter and more diciplined as the figures wil show
Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:54pm Tue 31 Jan 12
I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic.
So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassa
Huneybunch
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2:59pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Think you have it wrong there as BD5 is mostly Asian
P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?well said,homewood,butter shaw,queensbury will top that list,no problems in most asian schools,parents are strickter and more diciplined as the figures wil show
Ramadam_Sam
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3:00pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:why pick on my english,i speak 4 languages,how many do you speak i ask?
No problems William, my point is that some parents cannot, some will not and the education system is there not to support those that cannot or will not but to replace them when it comes to the need for learning subject matter. I fully agree a parent should have a continual input into their child's education but there comes a point when it goes beyond a parent's ability, both time and knowledge. I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic. So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassa
brodie. i remember the last time you were comenting and you said all muslims should be wiped of the face of this earth,that is why i call you hitler.
Thee Voice of Reason
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3:02pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Looking at your spelling and grammar, it appears you missed a fair few days of school yourself.
william bodie wrote:nonsence.i have read the article,the kids on theses estates are out of control,due to no education and NO dicipline,you are the fool wearing the blinkers.Ramadam_Sam wrote:Read the story your commenting on fool, it tells you which area is at the top of the list at the beginning of the story, maybe if you had a bit more help in your education you would be able to enter into a forum of this nature. PRISONER- i do get what your saying regarding schools, all im saying is if the system isnt right then we dont simply give up, we do it ourselves, for our kids, and if we dont know how then we go and find out, not give in, but each to their own.P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?well said,homewood,butter shaw,queensbury will top that list,no problems in most asian schools,parents are strickter and more diciplined as the figures wil show
Ramadam_Sam
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3:06pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:i have only lived in this country for 3 years,before i come here i have not spoken one word of the english,i speak 4 language now.how about you men coments on my spelling?
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Looking at your spelling and grammar, it appears you missed a fair few days of school yourself.william bodie wrote:nonsence.i have read the article,the kids on theses estates are out of control,due to no education and NO dicipline,you are the fool wearing the blinkers.Ramadam_Sam wrote:Read the story your commenting on fool, it tells you which area is at the top of the list at the beginning of the story, maybe if you had a bit more help in your education you would be able to enter into a forum of this nature. PRISONER- i do get what your saying regarding schools, all im saying is if the system isnt right then we dont simply give up, we do it ourselves, for our kids, and if we dont know how then we go and find out, not give in, but each to their own.P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?well said,homewood,butter shaw,queensbury will top that list,no problems in most asian schools,parents are strickter and more diciplined as the figures wil show
back to the comment please and no more insults.
Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:12pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Huneybunch
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3:34pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam
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3:38pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Huneybunch wrote:is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.
Glad_I_got_out
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3:52pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.
Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
Prisoner Cell Block A
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3:54pm Tue 31 Jan 12
P.I.M.P.S
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3:59pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:What he and mainly I am stating, why isn't a story like this resulted in Ethnic Bashing yet??? Is it because you would be proved wrong again, principally because this is a White English predicament and always has been and the evidence within the narrative attests this??
Ramadam_Sam wrote:what on earth are you talking about, you utter moron, if you havent anything to say about the state of this country's education go and do some finger painting or something you can manage.william bodie wrote:well you would be,ive seen you comments before,and as i have in others said you remind me of hitler,bringing race onto the eqation once more,you belong in 1940 germany.P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?stick to the point, anyway Little Horton and west Bowling were the worst area, hardly middle England. With regards to the other comment on "schools are for teaching and home is for fun" well im lost for words.
If the other 2 areas had not been revealed (BD4 & BD6) you would all have jumped on the bandwagon about how Muslims and Asians don't believe in schooling and how we are all fighting for a united Islamic State... Move on people, nothing to see here... LMAO!!
Ramadam_Sam
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4:04pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:thankyou mr cellblock,but i am living very happy in this country,bradford is amazing city,full of happy people and my culture,i am happy to settle here and i live in bd3,nice place,one day i hope for work,what schools are the best in bradford? thankyou you are nice guy too
In that case Sam, make sure they go to school, do their homework and attempt to absorb as much education as they possibly can as quickly as they can as school is a fast failing institution in Britain. If they are coming to England for education they may be doing theirselves a big dis-service, would be better off moving to India and completing their schooling there. In fact as India and China will soon be dominant world powers they would be better off moving to India full stop, that is where the next big growth, especially technology will be.
BD16
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4:06pm Tue 31 Jan 12
P.I.M.P.S wrote:Or then again maybe you've just got a chip on your shoulder and are simply waiting for a racist slur.
william bodie wrote:What he and mainly I am stating, why isn't a story like this resulted in Ethnic Bashing yet??? Is it because you would be proved wrong again, principally because this is a White English predicament and always has been and the evidence within the narrative attests this?? If the other 2 areas had not been revealed (BD4 & BD6) you would all have jumped on the bandwagon about how Muslims and Asians don't believe in schooling and how we are all fighting for a united Islamic State... Move on people, nothing to see here... LMAO!!Ramadam_Sam wrote:what on earth are you talking about, you utter moron, if you havent anything to say about the state of this country's education go and do some finger painting or something you can manage.william bodie wrote:well you would be,ive seen you comments before,and as i have in others said you remind me of hitler,bringing race onto the eqation once more,you belong in 1940 germany.P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?stick to the point, anyway Little Horton and west Bowling were the worst area, hardly middle England. With regards to the other comment on "schools are for teaching and home is for fun" well im lost for words.
Looking down the comments it seems until you announced your presence it was a discussion without reference to colour, race or religion.
william bodie
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4:07pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:I have never said any such thing, i said the plague of islamic terrorist should be eradicated, not muslims in general, and i defy any right minded person to disagree with that. im glad your children are coming over for their education, give them a couple of days they may be able to teach you a basic grasp of the English language.
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:why pick on my english,i speak 4 languages,how many do you speak i ask?
No problems William, my point is that some parents cannot, some will not and the education system is there not to support those that cannot or will not but to replace them when it comes to the need for learning subject matter. I fully agree a parent should have a continual input into their child's education but there comes a point when it goes beyond a parent's ability, both time and knowledge. I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic. So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassa
brodie. i remember the last time you were comenting and you said all muslims should be wiped of the face of this earth,that is why i call you hitler.
P.I.M.P.S
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4:22pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:First of all Great Horton is not mentioned in the above report... BD5 is not predominantly Asian, West Bowling and Marshfield’s is primarily Asian, but the whole block of flats at bottom of Little Horton is White English and Un-employed and probably makes up for about 40% of BD5.
No problems William, my point is that some parents cannot, some will not and the education system is there not to support those that cannot or will not but to replace them when it comes to the need for learning subject matter. I fully agree a parent should have a continual input into their child's education but there comes a point when it goes beyond a parent's ability, both time and knowledge. I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic. So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassa
The demographics of BD4 and BD6 are not surprisingly equal; surprisingly the demographics in these 2 postcodes don’t even match the average demographics across the District... I live in Clayton Heights (BD6) and so does my brother; there is barely one minority family to every 30 White English, I don’t know how that is surprisingly equal??
The point I was trying to make and am making is, if only BD5 had been mentioned you would all have been straight onto Ethnic Bashing, just like you did when rising insurance prices headline was released!!!
Do you gets me now??
william bodie
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4:30pm Tue 31 Jan 12
P.I.M.P.S wrote:nice try at back pedaling, but your game is clear for all to see and no one is interested.
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:First of all Great Horton is not mentioned in the above report... BD5 is not predominantly Asian, West Bowling and Marshfield’s is primarily Asian, but the whole block of flats at bottom of Little Horton is White English and Un-employed and probably makes up for about 40% of BD5.
No problems William, my point is that some parents cannot, some will not and the education system is there not to support those that cannot or will not but to replace them when it comes to the need for learning subject matter. I fully agree a parent should have a continual input into their child's education but there comes a point when it goes beyond a parent's ability, both time and knowledge. I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic. So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassa
The demographics of BD4 and BD6 are not surprisingly equal; surprisingly the demographics in these 2 postcodes don’t even match the average demographics across the District... I live in Clayton Heights (BD6) and so does my brother; there is barely one minority family to every 30 White English, I don’t know how that is surprisingly equal??
The point I was trying to make and am making is, if only BD5 had been mentioned you would all have been straight onto Ethnic Bashing, just like you did when rising insurance prices headline was released!!!
Do you gets me now??
P.I.M.P.S
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4:31pm Tue 31 Jan 12
BD16 wrote:Thank you for re-iterating my point... Would that still have been the case if BD4 and BD6 were not revealed as part of the worst areas? At least in BD5 the schools are saying they are working very closely with families to eradicate the problem at its root cause, can we be sure this is happening in BD4 and BD6??
P.I.M.P.S wrote:Or then again maybe you've just got a chip on your shoulder and are simply waiting for a racist slur. Looking down the comments it seems until you announced your presence it was a discussion without reference to colour, race or religion.william bodie wrote:What he and mainly I am stating, why isn't a story like this resulted in Ethnic Bashing yet??? Is it because you would be proved wrong again, principally because this is a White English predicament and always has been and the evidence within the narrative attests this?? If the other 2 areas had not been revealed (BD4 & BD6) you would all have jumped on the bandwagon about how Muslims and Asians don't believe in schooling and how we are all fighting for a united Islamic State... Move on people, nothing to see here... LMAO!!Ramadam_Sam wrote:what on earth are you talking about, you utter moron, if you havent anything to say about the state of this country's education go and do some finger painting or something you can manage.william bodie wrote:well you would be,ive seen you comments before,and as i have in others said you remind me of hitler,bringing race onto the eqation once more,you belong in 1940 germany.P.I.M.P.S wrote: What I'm really suprised at is how this has gone to ethnic bashing yet? There's been over 10 comments, its usally there by 5... I can't wait any more, I'm getting agitated with the waiting.... Have you all lost your touch?? Or is it simply because the biggest areas highlighted are predominantly house White English folk?stick to the point, anyway Little Horton and west Bowling were the worst area, hardly middle England. With regards to the other comment on "schools are for teaching and home is for fun" well im lost for words.
Ramadam_Sam
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4:31pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:i read your comments and you did say it,you are one of the peolpe that spoil bradford,a racist thug,probably from homewood and not working,please do go away,you are very unkind,you say you were in 9/11 and lied to make youself look good.
Ramadam_Sam wrote:I have never said any such thing, i said the plague of islamic terrorist should be eradicated, not muslims in general, and i defy any right minded person to disagree with that. im glad your children are coming over for their education, give them a couple of days they may be able to teach you a basic grasp of the English language.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: No problems William, my point is that some parents cannot, some will not and the education system is there not to support those that cannot or will not but to replace them when it comes to the need for learning subject matter. I fully agree a parent should have a continual input into their child's education but there comes a point when it goes beyond a parent's ability, both time and knowledge. I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic. So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassawhy pick on my english,i speak 4 languages,how many do you speak i ask? brodie. i remember the last time you were comenting and you said all muslims should be wiped of the face of this earth,that is why i call you hitler.
P.I.M.P.S
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4:33pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:Back pedaling?? Please explain?
P.I.M.P.S wrote:nice try at back pedaling, but your game is clear for all to see and no one is interested.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: No problems William, my point is that some parents cannot, some will not and the education system is there not to support those that cannot or will not but to replace them when it comes to the need for learning subject matter. I fully agree a parent should have a continual input into their child's education but there comes a point when it goes beyond a parent's ability, both time and knowledge. I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic. So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassaFirst of all Great Horton is not mentioned in the above report... BD5 is not predominantly Asian, West Bowling and Marshfield’s is primarily Asian, but the whole block of flats at bottom of Little Horton is White English and Un-employed and probably makes up for about 40% of BD5. The demographics of BD4 and BD6 are not surprisingly equal; surprisingly the demographics in these 2 postcodes don’t even match the average demographics across the District... I live in Clayton Heights (BD6) and so does my brother; there is barely one minority family to every 30 White English, I don’t know how that is surprisingly equal?? The point I was trying to make and am making is, if only BD5 had been mentioned you would all have been straight onto Ethnic Bashing, just like you did when rising insurance prices headline was released!!! Do you gets me now??
And it’s spelt pedalling... I see the problem with the schooling now...
Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:43pm Tue 31 Jan 12
To my knowledge truancy, the point of the article, is a predominant white, English problem, not necessarily due to poor or uncaring parents but I will admit that, it isn't my problem and by admitting it I do not do my children, friends, family or anyone else an injustice. Can the same be said of some of our other erstwhile correspondents on other topics?
william bodie
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4:45pm Tue 31 Jan 12
P.I.M.P.S
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4:47pm Tue 31 Jan 12
william bodie wrote:I stand corrected, my apologies...
I think you will find if you check a dictionary, an English dictionary, you will find i have written it correctly, your spelling is the very inferior American language which in becoming increasingly common with the ill educated and lazy.
Glad_I_got_out
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4:50pm Tue 31 Jan 12
P.I.M.P.S wrote:Haha, nice to see your back to making a fool of yourself again PIMPS! Now do go away, nobody brought race into this before you reared your ugly mug.
william bodie wrote: I think you will find if you check a dictionary, an English dictionary, you will find i have written it correctly, your spelling is the very inferior American language which in becoming increasingly common with the ill educated and lazy.I stand corrected, my apologies...
P.I.M.P.S
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4:56pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:I am not in a position to comment on the position of former correspondents, I can only comment on what I see. I can only judge what I see and not what I hear from an inebriated associate in the pub on Friday night.
The block of flats make up 40%of the L Horton demographic??? You make me laugh to the point of collapse, your stats and made up figures yet again mean nothing and add nothing. To my knowledge truancy, the point of the article, is a predominant white, English problem, not necessarily due to poor or uncaring parents but I will admit that, it isn't my problem and by admitting it I do not do my children, friends, family or anyone else an injustice. Can the same be said of some of our other erstwhile correspondents on other topics?
What I see is a negative narrative about Bradford, but someone is yet to blame a particular race for this happening. Any other disparaging narrative would have been barraged by how the rise of immigrants and lawless Muslims youth has caused this....
The only reason I can see this has happened is because this narrative has been backed with facts, where as many others are not...
P.I.M.P.S
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4:58pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Glad_I_got_out wrote:Again you are re-iterating the point I am making, please do read my comments before you decide to conclude on my intentions...
P.I.M.P.S wrote:Haha, nice to see your back to making a fool of yourself again PIMPS! Now do go away, nobody brought race into this before you reared your ugly mug.william bodie wrote: I think you will find if you check a dictionary, an English dictionary, you will find i have written it correctly, your spelling is the very inferior American language which in becoming increasingly common with the ill educated and lazy.I stand corrected, my apologies...
Bone_idle18
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5:00pm Tue 31 Jan 12
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Responsibility for education is the parents, the school is just the provider.
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Anyone who thinks children don't learn at home is an idiot, don't you people read to your child, or listen to them readin, or help them understand things, or teach them through your own experiences?
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Not surprised the attainment levels at some schools are so low! As always, blam the fricking parents!
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Please don't be so pedantic and pathetic as to criticis my spelling.
Ramadam_Sam
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5:03pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Glad_I_got_out wrote:i have also seen your comments in the past,another racist,do not be rude just because i am educated and you are not.bradford would be better off with the likes of you gone,muslims have brought culture and grace to bradford,i have seen this with my own eyes.
Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
Joedavid
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5:23pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Does your keyboard not have Capital letters and also not able to put a Space after a Coma, Sam?
Glad_I_got_out wrote:i have also seen your comments in the past,another racist,do not be rude just because i am educated and you are not.bradford would be better off with the likes of you gone,muslims have brought culture and grace to bradford,i have seen this with my own eyes.
Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
BD16
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5:31pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Could you please indulge me and tell me what culture and grace muslims have brought to Bradford? Did they build the town hall? Saltaire? Howarth? Five rise locks?
Glad_I_got_out wrote:i have also seen your comments in the past,another racist,do not be rude just because i am educated and you are not.bradford would be better off with the likes of you gone,muslims have brought culture and grace to bradford,i have seen this with my own eyes.Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
As far as I am able to tell any culture that Bradford has was here long before muslims arrived.
Ramadam_Sam
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5:42pm Tue 31 Jan 12
BD16 wrote:are you for real?to start the many mosques,the one near canterbury is an amazing building,or will be when it is finished,the friendly people what brighten my day,white abbey road,have you been here recentley,the shops,restaraunts,fa
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Could you please indulge me and tell me what culture and grace muslims have brought to Bradford? Did they build the town hall? Saltaire? Howarth? Five rise locks? As far as I am able to tell any culture that Bradford has was here long before muslims arrived.Glad_I_got_out wrote:i have also seen your comments in the past,another racist,do not be rude just because i am educated and you are not.bradford would be better off with the likes of you gone,muslims have brought culture and grace to bradford,i have seen this with my own eyes.Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
ntastic,the asian market at canon mill on sunday,do i have to go on?
william bodie
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5:47pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Look, if your going to quote things then please get them right, i said i was on a train in the London Bombings, which i was, and i said it in the context of a previous conversation not to "make myself look good" it was not a good day for the UK whether you are a Britsh Christian, Muslim, or Jedi, anyway i am in danger of being drawn into your hate filled rants which once again you have managed to steer off topic, if we are not discussing truancy i bid you all a good evening.
william bodie wrote:i read your comments and you did say it,you are one of the peolpe that spoil bradford,a racist thug,probably from homewood and not working,please do go away,you are very unkind,you say you were in 9/11 and lied to make youself look good.
Ramadam_Sam wrote:I have never said any such thing, i said the plague of islamic terrorist should be eradicated, not muslims in general, and i defy any right minded person to disagree with that. im glad your children are coming over for their education, give them a couple of days they may be able to teach you a basic grasp of the English language.Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: No problems William, my point is that some parents cannot, some will not and the education system is there not to support those that cannot or will not but to replace them when it comes to the need for learning subject matter. I fully agree a parent should have a continual input into their child's education but there comes a point when it goes beyond a parent's ability, both time and knowledge. I do know the topic is truancy and we have edged away slightly, so back on topic, Ramadam Sam and PIMPs as you were the first to raise this as a race issue, re-read the report, it is a varying mix of areas mentioned with no major mention of one area, predominantly 'white' or 'black' or 'orange' the areas that have high levels recorded have demographics that are surprisingly equal apart from Tong which is predominantly a white area but has increasing levels of multi-ethnicity and West Bowling/Great Horton which are predominantly non-white areas but also have an increasing multi-ethnic demographic. So boys, what is your point on this topic, Sam, did you post just to show how poor your eduction was and how you lack basic English skills? And PIMPS, we all know your agenda and are all sensible enough to ignore your pointless attempts at wind ups, haven't you noticed, you don't even get reported anymore, people ignore you. wassa wassa wassawhy pick on my english,i speak 4 languages,how many do you speak i ask? brodie. i remember the last time you were comenting and you said all muslims should be wiped of the face of this earth,that is why i call you hitler.
BD16
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5:55pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Ramadam_Sam wrote:You're not even asian, are you? Just some idiot trying to stir up a bit of mischief.
BD16 wrote:are you for real?to start the many mosques,the one near canterbury is an amazing building,or will be when it is finished,the friendly people what brighten my day,white abbey road,have you been here recentley,the shops,restaraunts,fa ntastic,the asian market at canon mill on sunday,do i have to go on?Ramadam_Sam wrote:Could you please indulge me and tell me what culture and grace muslims have brought to Bradford? Did they build the town hall? Saltaire? Howarth? Five rise locks? As far as I am able to tell any culture that Bradford has was here long before muslims arrived.Glad_I_got_out wrote:i have also seen your comments in the past,another racist,do not be rude just because i am educated and you are not.bradford would be better off with the likes of you gone,muslims have brought culture and grace to bradford,i have seen this with my own eyes.Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
Goodbye.
Glad_I_got_out
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5:58pm Tue 31 Jan 12
BD16 wrote:My thoughts too, somebody on a wind up.
Ramadam_Sam wrote:You're not even asian, are you? Just some idiot trying to stir up a bit of mischief. Goodbye.BD16 wrote:are you for real?to start the many mosques,the one near canterbury is an amazing building,or will be when it is finished,the friendly people what brighten my day,white abbey road,have you been here recentley,the shops,restaraunts,fa ntastic,the asian market at canon mill on sunday,do i have to go on?Ramadam_Sam wrote:Could you please indulge me and tell me what culture and grace muslims have brought to Bradford? Did they build the town hall? Saltaire? Howarth? Five rise locks? As far as I am able to tell any culture that Bradford has was here long before muslims arrived.Glad_I_got_out wrote:i have also seen your comments in the past,another racist,do not be rude just because i am educated and you are not.bradford would be better off with the likes of you gone,muslims have brought culture and grace to bradford,i have seen this with my own eyes.Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
wobbley-bob
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6:02pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Joedavid wrote:Oh, the irony..... lol
Ramadam_Sam wrote:Does your keyboard not have Capital letters and also not able to put a Space after a Coma, Sam?
Glad_I_got_out wrote:i have also seen your comments in the past,another racist,do not be rude just because i am educated and you are not.bradford would be better off with the likes of you gone,muslims have brought culture and grace to bradford,i have seen this with my own eyes.
Ramadam_Sam wrote:What stone have you crawled from under? your spelling and grammer is terrible, regardless of how many languages you speak, though I must admit you have a better grasp than some of the grandad's that have lived here for decades and not bothered.Huneybunch wrote: Its funny when you correct people they do not reply to your comment unless I was to slag some one off.is this to me i ask.well done mr cell block,it is nice to here from you as educated as me. can we talk about school again,my children will be in england soon and i am interetsed on this subject.
Also, it's comma David, COMA is a deep , unresponsive sleep. :-)
Don't you just love spelling police?
Ramamdam-sam is a WUM in my opinion, and you should all stop feeding the gob-**** racist troll too.
Mike Strutter
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6:05pm Tue 31 Jan 12
justjustice
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6:27pm Tue 31 Jan 12
It really is amazing how quickly people start what was a neutral article into a thread about racism!
Guess what people, you're all bad parents! Even those parents who drop their kids off at school, and make sure they walk into the school building. There is nothing stopping the kid from running off when you walk or drive off, or leaving during break or lunch.
These kids have absolute no respect for you at all, which shows that even though you do more, your kids are still brats!
Asian, white, black, purple; the major problem is parenting or the lack of it. It doesnt help with all the liberals gits who have managed to get so much child protection laws to pass, making these kids untouchable; even the Lords blocked the minimum of £26,000pa on benefits! £26,000!!! I would f**king love to have that kind of salary! and these social rejects get it for doing bugger all apart from breeding like bacteria!
BD16
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6:35pm Tue 31 Jan 12
justjustice wrote:Good post, I agree with much of what you say.
I do love these comments section on this website. It really is amazing how quickly people start what was a neutral article into a thread about racism! Guess what people, you're all bad parents! Even those parents who drop their kids off at school, and make sure they walk into the school building. There is nothing stopping the kid from running off when you walk or drive off, or leaving during break or lunch. These kids have absolute no respect for you at all, which shows that even though you do more, your kids are still brats! Asian, white, black, purple; the major problem is parenting or the lack of it. It doesnt help with all the liberals gits who have managed to get so much child protection laws to pass, making these kids untouchable; even the Lords blocked the minimum of £26,000pa on benefits! £26,000!!! I would f**king love to have that kind of salary! and these social rejects get it for doing bugger all apart from breeding like bacteria!
dapiackle
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7:46pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Pakistani / Bangladeshi kids miss school mainly (but not exclusively) because of family commitments, whether in the UK or because they have gone back to Pakistan / Bangladesh for a long period of time. Their white counterparts are frequently raised in households with low opinions of school, perhaps understandably as the curriculum is so dull and irrelevant to the kind of interests / jobs they might have done, also most truancy in this community is done with the full knowledge and support of parents who probably had bad experiences at school and didn't use to go that much, like their own parents, etc etc.. White w/class girls are often kept off to look after younger siblings, as are Pakistani / Bangladeshi girls as for many their role is pretty much mapped out for them culturally.
So IMHO, you guys can throw racial slurs around but the issue is social class. Middle class ethnic minority groups such as most Indian & Chinese pupils value education just as much if not even more than white m/class kids, their attendance is 99% + and they do extremely well.
Not a spelling mistake in sight. Anyone want to pick me up on the analysis, let's hear it.
dapiackle
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8:10pm Tue 31 Jan 12
Mojohappy4
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12:32pm Wed 1 Feb 12
william bodie wrote:Both my husband and I had plenty of involvement thank you but as far as I am concerned if you are not a parent govenor or a member of the parents association (in the gang!) then you are simply dismissed.
Mojohappy4 wrote: As a parent of a child that had a serious accident and could not attend school at all for at least 6 months and then after that only on a part time basis due to rehabilitation after surgery, I found the school to be less than helpful. I kept the school fully informed of the situation daily, weekly and monthly. The school never offered any support other than sending work home (which they then lost (on one occasion) and I had not copied it and so he had to complete it again!). We were invited into school only once (18 months after the accident) with the school social worker in attendance too. At which point they informed us that my son was entitled to 5 hours home tutoring a week but needed a doctors note before this could be sanctioned. I did ask why we had not been informed of this right at the start but received no response to this! Teachers/schools need to be more involved with their pupils and parents although I do appreciated there are situations where pupils and parents WILL NOT / do not want to be involved. These are the ones that should be taken to task. The school/LA let my son and us down something I will not forgive. The trauma of the accident was bad enough nevermind the school being more that useless!!!!!There are ample opportunities for parents to be involved with the school if they are bothered to take the time to find out, i notice you only mention no involvement from the school when you wanted something from them, i do wonder what involvement you had in your childs schooling when your child was fit and well.
william bodie
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12:50pm Wed 1 Feb 12
dapiackle wrote:if you had paid as much attention to the comments as you appear to have done about your facts and figures you would notice there was a reasonable discussion going on before PIMPS jumped on and started to bring race into it, thankfully on this occasion people could see it for what it was and didn't enter into it. i notice your facts are all backed up with opinion, which isn't fact is it? and if the comments make you *sigh yawn* then maybe you should test your self a bit more, do some Sudoku or something.
I should also add that given the chances of successful prosecution are so low, if you really aren't bothered whether your kids go to school it's a risk worth taking cos you'll probably get away with it. But fundamentally, I have to say that if what passes for education these days was more appealing and less about endless testing, league tables, exams, fewer kids of all backgrounds would vote with their fake Ugg Boots.
william bodie
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12:54pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Mojohappy4 wrote:nonsense, you do everything you can for your kids, and if parent governor's get things done, then become a parent governor, and i don't believe schools are run like gangs, and on another point you only get dismissed if you allow yourself to be, that goes for everything not just schools, too many people dont get justice because they give up are can' be bothered.
william bodie wrote:Both my husband and I had plenty of involvement thank you but as far as I am concerned if you are not a parent govenor or a member of the parents association (in the gang!) then you are simply dismissed.
Mojohappy4 wrote: As a parent of a child that had a serious accident and could not attend school at all for at least 6 months and then after that only on a part time basis due to rehabilitation after surgery, I found the school to be less than helpful. I kept the school fully informed of the situation daily, weekly and monthly. The school never offered any support other than sending work home (which they then lost (on one occasion) and I had not copied it and so he had to complete it again!). We were invited into school only once (18 months after the accident) with the school social worker in attendance too. At which point they informed us that my son was entitled to 5 hours home tutoring a week but needed a doctors note before this could be sanctioned. I did ask why we had not been informed of this right at the start but received no response to this! Teachers/schools need to be more involved with their pupils and parents although I do appreciated there are situations where pupils and parents WILL NOT / do not want to be involved. These are the ones that should be taken to task. The school/LA let my son and us down something I will not forgive. The trauma of the accident was bad enough nevermind the school being more that useless!!!!!There are ample opportunities for parents to be involved with the school if they are bothered to take the time to find out, i notice you only mention no involvement from the school when you wanted something from them, i do wonder what involvement you had in your childs schooling when your child was fit and well.
outspoken
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3:07pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Albion. wrote:Albion ,You being mischievous again, attempting to fool the folk on this thread....
Albion. wrote:*take. (see what happens when parents don't help?)Ramadam_Sam wrote:Nonsense! You should tale every opportunity to teach things to your children.william bodie wrote: I work and im a parent, are you seriously asking what involvement a parent can have in a childs education even when they attend school and are fit and well? Its not just the teachers job to teach your children,As a parent you need to be involved in their education if you want them to have the edge when it comes to university and decent jobs, if your happy for your child to bimble through school the wind up at the back of the queue when it comes to future opportunities then shame on you!i send my children to school to learn,it is the schools job to teach,not parents,my children go school everyday and mosque at LEAST four time a week,they have fun time at home,not work work work.
came back on here after many months,see the usual suspects still attempting to sway an argument towards a certain way!!!
Andy2010
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5:29pm Wed 1 Feb 12
s the sames ones arguing with each other about punctuation and points they are trying to make....which incidentally are 90% about race.
Anyway keep it up as its jolly good fun reading these everyday.
dapiackle
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8:15pm Thu 2 Feb 12
william bodie wrote:Mate I read the entire thread, with some dismay, before posting (I don't post much but I always read). The *sigh - yawn* bit was not because the topic was boring, rather it was about the fact that yet again, as you quite rightly point out, a perfectly decent debate was hijacked, some ridiculous and irrelevant race cards were played, and risked degenerating quickly into the usual pathetic slanging match between the usual suspects, except for once people saw it for what it was. In terms of the fact / opinion dilemma, surely a discussion forum is to offer ones' opinion (backed up with evidence wherever possible) rather than bombard and bore the reader to death with 'facts', which in this case would presumably be statistics? And since when were statistics 'facts' anyway, especially when they are 'official' statistics like these? Remember 'lies, damned lies and statistics?' 'Facts' are very hard to come by with issues such as this, the best you can hope for is some trends & patterns, and explanations rather than 'answers', which is what I was trying to offer in and amongst all the "I arnt bein funni but you carnt spel you pikey", "end o't day it's imagrents wot don't send there kids 2 skwl", "no it int bro its da white trash" nonsense.
dapiackle wrote:if you had paid as much attention to the comments as you appear to have done about your facts and figures you would notice there was a reasonable discussion going on before PIMPS jumped on and started to bring race into it, thankfully on this occasion people could see it for what it was and didn't enter into it. i notice your facts are all backed up with opinion, which isn't fact is it? and if the comments make you *sigh yawn* then maybe you should test your self a bit more, do some Sudoku or something.
I should also add that given the chances of successful prosecution are so low, if you really aren't bothered whether your kids go to school it's a risk worth taking cos you'll probably get away with it. But fundamentally, I have to say that if what passes for education these days was more appealing and less about endless testing, league tables, exams, fewer kids of all backgrounds would vote with their fake Ugg Boots.
Superdoo
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1:27pm Fri 3 Feb 12
william bodie
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7:05pm Fri 3 Feb 12
dapiackle wrote:fair enough, well put.
william bodie wrote:Mate I read the entire thread, with some dismay, before posting (I don't post much but I always read). The *sigh - yawn* bit was not because the topic was boring, rather it was about the fact that yet again, as you quite rightly point out, a perfectly decent debate was hijacked, some ridiculous and irrelevant race cards were played, and risked degenerating quickly into the usual pathetic slanging match between the usual suspects, except for once people saw it for what it was. In terms of the fact / opinion dilemma, surely a discussion forum is to offer ones' opinion (backed up with evidence wherever possible) rather than bombard and bore the reader to death with 'facts', which in this case would presumably be statistics? And since when were statistics 'facts' anyway, especially when they are 'official' statistics like these? Remember 'lies, damned lies and statistics?' 'Facts' are very hard to come by with issues such as this, the best you can hope for is some trends & patterns, and explanations rather than 'answers', which is what I was trying to offer in and amongst all the "I arnt bein funni but you carnt spel you pikey", "end o't day it's imagrents wot don't send there kids 2 skwl", "no it int bro its da white trash" nonsense.
dapiackle wrote:if you had paid as much attention to the comments as you appear to have done about your facts and figures you would notice there was a reasonable discussion going on before PIMPS jumped on and started to bring race into it, thankfully on this occasion people could see it for what it was and didn't enter into it. i notice your facts are all backed up with opinion, which isn't fact is it? and if the comments make you *sigh yawn* then maybe you should test your self a bit more, do some Sudoku or something.
I should also add that given the chances of successful prosecution are so low, if you really aren't bothered whether your kids go to school it's a risk worth taking cos you'll probably get away with it. But fundamentally, I have to say that if what passes for education these days was more appealing and less about endless testing, league tables, exams, fewer kids of all backgrounds would vote with their fake Ugg Boots.
Albion. says...
11:02am Tue 31 Jan 12