Vicar's anger at crossbow display near Stphen Griffiths' home

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The Rev Chris Howson outside Barkers window display which includes a crossbow The Rev Chris Howson outside Barkers window display which includes a crossbow

A Bradford vicar has condemned the sale of imitation crossbows at a city centre shop only days after self-styled Crossbow Cannibal Stephen Griffiths was jailed indefinitely for the murders of three women.

The Reverend Chris Howson, city centre mission priest, said he was outraged after seeing the realistic-looking imitation weapons in the window display of Barkers newsagent and novelty shop in Sunbridge Road.

Mr Howson described the crossbows – on sale alongside Samurai swords and imitation guns – as “deeply offensive”.

He said: “I think shops that sell imitation firearms, Samurai swords and crossbows should be closed down.

“There is something wrong in this culture which glorifies violence and murderers. There is the constant drip, drip, drip of violence and this is one example. We, as a society, need to be on our guard against things which lead to violence.”

He added: “The people of Bradford have been shocked by these horrific murders. We are trying to put the rightful image of Bradford across as it is – a safe and decent city full of good people – and to have shops selling imitation weapons like this is totally unacceptable.

“They are selling paraphernalia looking just like the weapons which this guy used and the imitation weapons are on sale barely 500 metres from where he lived.”

The shop was yesterday still selling the Armex Pistol Crossbows, for £14.99, despite pleas by Mr Howson for them to be removed immediately.

The owner was unavailable for comment when the shop was contacted by the Telegraph & Argus.

A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said: “There is no need for a shop to have a special licence but there are certain obligations under the Violent Crime Reduction Act, such as imitation firearms must be brightly-coloured, and there are age restrictions. Cross-bows, for instance, must not be sold to under-18s.”

Val Summerscales, secretary of Brad-ford Chamber of Trade, said: “Our concern would be that the police are observing shops like this. It is the job of the police to decide what can be sold or not and we’d hope that shop owners would sell responsibly.”

Griffiths, 40, used a crossbow to murder sex worker Suzanne Blamires, 36, in the corridor outside his flat at Holm-field Court, Thornton Road, in May this year.

The murder was caught on the building’s CCTV system. Griffiths was filmed pulling Miss Blamires’ body into his flat where he dismembered her and later boasted to police of eating parts of her. He also admitted the murder of prostitutes Shelley Armitage, 31, and Susan Rushworth, 43.

He is being held at Wakefield Prison where he is on hunger strike and on 24-hour suicide watch.

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9:25am Fri 24 Dec 10

Apollo says...

The problem is where do you stop? There will be other stores in Bradford selling rucksacks/backpacks like those used by suicide bombers. Should we ban those as well?

The Yorkshire Ripper used false number plates from scrap yards yet every car I see have number plates.

The ultimate use to which something is put is not a reason for an outright ban upon it - especially if it involves the Police who are not there to make up laws but to enforce them.
The problem is where do you stop? There will be other stores in Bradford selling rucksacks/backpacks like those used by suicide bombers. Should we ban those as well? The Yorkshire Ripper used false number plates from scrap yards yet every car I see have number plates. The ultimate use to which something is put is not a reason for an outright ban upon it - especially if it involves the Police who are not there to make up laws but to enforce them. Apollo

9:44am Fri 24 Dec 10

Patrick Bateman says...

The last time I had the misfortune to be in Bradford I happened to walk past the shop in question. What I saw was quite shocking: knives, imitation guns, BB guns, samurai swords (for ‘display purposes only’) and all the accoutrements your average pot-head could ever want (bongs, pipes etc). It presented an absolutely terrible image of Bradford. What made it significantly worse is that it is located on one of the main shopping arteries in Bradford and (worse still) from a distance it actually looks like a respectable shop. The owner ought to be thoroughly ashamed – no wonder he is ‘unavailable for comment’. So long as his cash register’s ringing from the coin of the scum of Bradford he’ll be well pleased. And while we’re at it another complete eyesore that does Bradford’s image no good whatsoever (retail or otherwise) is the huge ‘hydroponics’ shop on Manningham Lane. For those unaware of what this is it supplies lighting equipment for the mass-production of cannabis (and this in a town that is plagued with cannabis ‘factories’). I had to do a double take when I saw it: it ostensibly looks like a respectable business but then it dawned on me. WTF are Bradford council thinking giving a trader’s licence to such a shop (admittedly working within the fringes of the law) in such a high profile location? What a dump Bradford is. And what a joke this council truly is.
The last time I had the misfortune to be in Bradford I happened to walk past the shop in question. What I saw was quite shocking: knives, imitation guns, BB guns, samurai swords (for ‘display purposes only’) and all the accoutrements your average pot-head could ever want (bongs, pipes etc). It presented an absolutely terrible image of Bradford. What made it significantly worse is that it is located on one of the main shopping arteries in Bradford and (worse still) from a distance it actually looks like a respectable shop. The owner ought to be thoroughly ashamed – no wonder he is ‘unavailable for comment’. So long as his cash register’s ringing from the coin of the scum of Bradford he’ll be well pleased. And while we’re at it another complete eyesore that does Bradford’s image no good whatsoever (retail or otherwise) is the huge ‘hydroponics’ shop on Manningham Lane. For those unaware of what this is it supplies lighting equipment for the mass-production of cannabis (and this in a town that is plagued with cannabis ‘factories’). I had to do a double take when I saw it: it ostensibly looks like a respectable business but then it dawned on me. WTF are Bradford council thinking giving a trader’s licence to such a shop (admittedly working within the fringes of the law) in such a high profile location? What a dump Bradford is. And what a joke this council truly is. Patrick Bateman

9:58am Fri 24 Dec 10

Apollo says...

You will get no argument about Bradford being a sh1thole. However, any headline which uses the word 'outrage' should always be read with a large degree of scepticism.
You will get no argument about Bradford being a sh1thole. However, any headline which uses the word 'outrage' should always be read with a large degree of scepticism. Apollo

10:44am Fri 24 Dec 10

Collos says...

Bit rich coming from a man who`s mumbo jumbo believes have ruined the lives of many millions over the centuries are are still doing so. I would be more frightened of what he has in his rucksack than what this shop sells although the weapons sold should be banned.
Bit rich coming from a man who`s mumbo jumbo believes have ruined the lives of many millions over the centuries are are still doing so. I would be more frightened of what he has in his rucksack than what this shop sells although the weapons sold should be banned. Collos

12:17pm Fri 24 Dec 10

Lee says...

Yes Collos, those pesky Reverends inciting hate and packing rucksacks full of expolosives we read about daily.
Yes Collos, those pesky Reverends inciting hate and packing rucksacks full of expolosives we read about daily. Lee

12:29pm Fri 24 Dec 10

Biker71 says...

What a load of twaddle, everyone is offended by something we just don't run to the media to cry about it.
This is just another case of the T&A jumping on a bandwaggon " oo, something has happened.. lets make it last as long as possible "
I'm sorry but there is far worse in the world than a few weapons being sold in a shop...
What a load of twaddle, everyone is offended by something we just don't run to the media to cry about it. This is just another case of the T&A jumping on a bandwaggon " oo, something has happened.. lets make it last as long as possible " I'm sorry but there is far worse in the world than a few weapons being sold in a shop... Biker71

1:58pm Fri 24 Dec 10

glue ear says...

And while we’re at it another complete eyesore that does Bradford’s image no good whatsoever (retail or otherwise) is the huge ‘hydroponics’ shop on Manningham Lane. For those unaware of what this is it supplies lighting equipment for the mass-production of cannabis (and this in a town that is plagued with cannabis ‘factories’). I had to do a double take when I saw it: it ostensibly looks like a respectable business .................YOU CAN BUY THE SEEDS BUT NOT GERMINATE THEM WHOS STUPID THE SHOP KEEPERS OR THE GOVERMENT,ALSO NOT EVERY ONE WHO OWNS A CROSSBOW KILLS PROSTITUTES.
And while we’re at it another complete eyesore that does Bradford’s image no good whatsoever (retail or otherwise) is the huge ‘hydroponics’ shop on Manningham Lane. For those unaware of what this is it supplies lighting equipment for the mass-production of cannabis (and this in a town that is plagued with cannabis ‘factories’). I had to do a double take when I saw it: it ostensibly looks like a respectable business .................YOU CAN BUY THE SEEDS BUT NOT GERMINATE THEM WHOS STUPID THE SHOP KEEPERS OR THE GOVERMENT,ALSO NOT EVERY ONE WHO OWNS A CROSSBOW KILLS PROSTITUTES. glue ear

2:08pm Fri 24 Dec 10

Rambo says...

"ALSO NOT EVERY ONE WHO OWNS A CROSSBOW KILLS PROSTITUTES."
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Ummm.... While that is a correct statement, why would anyone actually want to own a crossbow? Im guessing the sort of person with no friends. And who hasn't had contact with the opposite sex for about 10 years (unless they have to pay for it.....)
"ALSO NOT EVERY ONE WHO OWNS A CROSSBOW KILLS PROSTITUTES." . Ummm.... While that is a correct statement, why would anyone actually want to own a crossbow? Im guessing the sort of person with no friends. And who hasn't had contact with the opposite sex for about 10 years (unless they have to pay for it.....) Rambo

2:23pm Fri 24 Dec 10

Steve30d says...

They've only just noticed that shop, been there a good 15 years

There used to be a shop in a very successful shopping center in Leeds, that sold realistic looking weapons made of latex. Worse still they were for people to run around with at the weekend at hit each other with. Worthwhile looking up Dark Dungeons by Jack T. Chick, and "Tough Gig with Dara O'Briain"
They've only just noticed that shop, been there a good 15 years There used to be a shop in a very successful shopping center in Leeds, that sold realistic looking weapons made of latex. Worse still they were for people to run around with at the weekend at hit each other with. Worthwhile looking up Dark Dungeons by Jack T. Chick, and "Tough Gig with Dara O'Briain" Steve30d

3:25pm Fri 24 Dec 10

Moon on a stick says...

At least with Carter's such stuff was on upper floors along with sporting goods. BB Guns, swords, knives and cross bows don't exactly do Bradford's image any favours, I'd be surprised if some of the lads buying in there were actually 18. Still the image of closed shops, bookies and shisha lounges is far from inviting a family retail experience.
At least with Carter's such stuff was on upper floors along with sporting goods. BB Guns, swords, knives and cross bows don't exactly do Bradford's image any favours, I'd be surprised if some of the lads buying in there were actually 18. Still the image of closed shops, bookies and shisha lounges is far from inviting a family retail experience. Moon on a stick

6:34pm Fri 24 Dec 10

bigo93 says...

"ALSO NOT EVERY ONE WHO OWNS A CROSSBOW KILLS PROSTITUTES."

And not everyone with a car speeds. But yet when one person does 90mpg in a 30mph, the councils automatically think that making the area a 20mph zone will make them slow down.

As usually its not the object that needs to be dealt with but the people who misuse the object.
"ALSO NOT EVERY ONE WHO OWNS A CROSSBOW KILLS PROSTITUTES." And not everyone with a car speeds. But yet when one person does 90mpg in a 30mph, the councils automatically think that making the area a 20mph zone will make them slow down. As usually its not the object that needs to be dealt with but the people who misuse the object. bigo93

9:08pm Fri 24 Dec 10

webess says...

Nobody's mentioned the elephant in the room. After each serial killing of prostitutes (eg Bradford & Ipswich) the politicians talk about the sensible solution of legalising prostitution - yet this is soon forgotten and we hear of "clampdowns on prostitution" which only drive it further underground. We can't go down the route of banning every potentially lethal object - Peter Sutcliffe used hammers - are we to ban them?
Nobody's mentioned the elephant in the room. After each serial killing of prostitutes (eg Bradford & Ipswich) the politicians talk about the sensible solution of legalising prostitution - yet this is soon forgotten and we hear of "clampdowns on prostitution" which only drive it further underground. We can't go down the route of banning every potentially lethal object - Peter Sutcliffe used hammers - are we to ban them? webess

3:03am Sat 25 Dec 10

Moon on a stick says...

webess wrote:
Nobody's mentioned the elephant in the room. After each serial killing of prostitutes (eg Bradford & Ipswich) the politicians talk about the sensible solution of legalising prostitution - yet this is soon forgotten and we hear of "clampdowns on prostitution" which only drive it further underground. We can't go down the route of banning every potentially lethal object - Peter Sutcliffe used hammers - are we to ban them?
You make a fair and wholly valid point. The root cause behind 99% of this issue and crime in general is heroin, it needs to be provided legally by the NHS to addicts, that's the only solution, the odd MP and even police commissioner has said as much but no one listens.
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: Nobody's mentioned the elephant in the room. After each serial killing of prostitutes (eg Bradford & Ipswich) the politicians talk about the sensible solution of legalising prostitution - yet this is soon forgotten and we hear of "clampdowns on prostitution" which only drive it further underground. We can't go down the route of banning every potentially lethal object - Peter Sutcliffe used hammers - are we to ban them?[/p][/quote]You make a fair and wholly valid point. The root cause behind 99% of this issue and crime in general is heroin, it needs to be provided legally by the NHS to addicts, that's the only solution, the odd MP and even police commissioner has said as much but no one listens. Moon on a stick

1:19pm Sat 25 Dec 10

cheeky1 says...

The trouble with these people who turn in2 serial killers and whatever are very good at living a Dr Jekell and Mr Hyde type of life!So the use all kind of different things to kill there victims!
This guy was so good he hid it all his life.If he was studying at uni and handing in written work, howcome the lectures and people who marked this work didn't pick up on it? After all they are suppose to be teaching others how to look ourt for these things! and only now are people coming forward to say how weird he was as a child and in later life...I suppose you could study these kind of people (if you know who they are and how do you really know?)from the day they were born...but like I said who is to know?It only shows itself when they do something evil....and then they slip up and Joe Public is usually the one who starts the ball rolling??
The trouble with these people who turn in2 serial killers and whatever are very good at living a Dr Jekell and Mr Hyde type of life!So the use all kind of different things to kill there victims! This guy was so good he hid it all his life.If he was studying at uni and handing in written work, howcome the lectures and people who marked this work didn't pick up on it? After all they are suppose to be teaching others how to look ourt for these things! and only now are people coming forward to say how weird he was as a child and in later life...I suppose you could study these kind of people (if you know who they are and how do you really know?)from the day they were born...but like I said who is to know?It only shows itself when they do something evil....and then they slip up and Joe Public is usually the one who starts the ball rolling?? cheeky1

3:59pm Sat 25 Dec 10

Joedavid says...

I did think the swords and knives were the real thing in this shop, so for years I have never bought anything there never mind entering it, I just walk by.
Purhaps the rest of you should not buy there too.
I did think the swords and knives were the real thing in this shop, so for years I have never bought anything there never mind entering it, I just walk by. Purhaps the rest of you should not buy there too. Joedavid

4:01pm Sat 25 Dec 10

Nads says...

This is actually great advertising for the shop, does anyone know if I take a copy of this article will I get 10% discount?
This is actually great advertising for the shop, does anyone know if I take a copy of this article will I get 10% discount? Nads

4:10pm Sat 25 Dec 10

Nads says...

I've been to that shop before and I always thought the shop owners son ( the beardy one) aka black **** was a bit weird.
I've been to that shop before and I always thought the shop owners son ( the beardy one) aka black **** was a bit weird. Nads

4:11pm Sat 25 Dec 10

Nads says...

I've been to that shop before and I always thought the shop owners son ( the beardy one) aka black **** was a bit weird.
I've been to that shop before and I always thought the shop owners son ( the beardy one) aka black **** was a bit weird. Nads

4:14pm Sat 25 Dec 10

Nads says...

Now it makes sence why the black **** sends the videos of "I'm watching you" he MF stalker. Think about it he's been stalking people now he's got then weapons too.
Now it makes sence why the black **** sends the videos of "I'm watching you" he MF stalker. Think about it he's been stalking people now he's got then weapons too. Nads

4:22pm Sat 25 Dec 10

Nads says...

To all those that are thinking of buying these weapons for criminal offences.

They say, "Crime doesn't pay."

Well, I work in Cash Converters and apparently it does.    
To all those that are thinking of buying these weapons for criminal offences. They say, "Crime doesn't pay." Well, I work in Cash Converters and apparently it does.     Nads

7:54pm Sat 25 Dec 10

likethis says...

These types of weapons need removing from the shop in question. Their sale needs to be banned outright. The owner of the shop sells cannabis seeds, legal highs, **** and drug paraphernalia and it needs to stop. The owners of the shop have no shame whatsoever and they cannot call themselves muslims which I think they are. That shop sells nothing of any value to society and I hope it closes down and everybody needs to boycot it. I stopped going to the shop years ago after I saw what was in the front window. It is totally disgusting and unacceptable. It seems some types of people do not care so long as a profit is there. If Stephen Griffiths crossbow was purchased from this shop and later used to murder, then the owners of this shop have blood on thier hands. period.
These types of weapons need removing from the shop in question. Their sale needs to be banned outright. The owner of the shop sells cannabis seeds, legal highs, **** and drug paraphernalia and it needs to stop. The owners of the shop have no shame whatsoever and they cannot call themselves muslims which I think they are. That shop sells nothing of any value to society and I hope it closes down and everybody needs to boycot it. I stopped going to the shop years ago after I saw what was in the front window. It is totally disgusting and unacceptable. It seems some types of people do not care so long as a profit is there. If Stephen Griffiths crossbow was purchased from this shop and later used to murder, then the owners of this shop have blood on thier hands. period. likethis

10:14pm Sat 25 Dec 10

spottedsnake says...

If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!!
If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!! spottedsnake

10:24pm Sat 25 Dec 10

puddingandpi says...

*I* wouldn't want a crossbow & I'd feel uncomfortable around anyone who did, but this is ridiculous. I'm not going to repeat the points already made.
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Haven't people got better things to complain about?
*I* wouldn't want a crossbow & I'd feel uncomfortable around anyone who did, but this is ridiculous. I'm not going to repeat the points already made. . Haven't people got better things to complain about? puddingandpi

11:00pm Sat 25 Dec 10

likethis says...

spottedsnake wrote:
If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!!
Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded.
[quote][p][bold]spottedsnake[/bold] wrote: If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!![/p][/quote]Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded. likethis

11:02pm Sat 25 Dec 10

likethis says...

Anybody who's been drinking should refrain from commenting until sober. If that is possible.
Anybody who's been drinking should refrain from commenting until sober. If that is possible. likethis

4:19am Sun 26 Dec 10

Moon on a stick says...

spottedsnake wrote:
If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!!
Hows this for a fact, after the VCR Act was passed this shop continued to sell its stock of BB guns that fell into the Real Imitation Firearm category (i.e. were in a black finish and 1:1), though I'm assuming they don't do that now.
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Whilst I do think the UK Laws if anything are too strict, the fact remains this shop doesn't present a good visual impression for shopping in Bradford, especially being sited on the border of Centenary Square.
[quote][p][bold]spottedsnake[/bold] wrote: If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!![/p][/quote]Hows this for a fact, after the VCR Act was passed this shop continued to sell its stock of BB guns that fell into the Real Imitation Firearm category (i.e. were in a black finish and 1:1), though I'm assuming they don't do that now. . Whilst I do think the UK Laws if anything are too strict, the fact remains this shop doesn't present a good visual impression for shopping in Bradford, especially being sited on the border of Centenary Square. Moon on a stick

4:53am Sun 26 Dec 10

Moon on a stick says...

That should have read "Realistic Imitation Firearm" - even those BB guns in the brightly coloured finish to comply with legislation, often fire BBs at or in excess of 300 FPS (feet per second) which can blind or remove teeth if shot in a person's face, so they're not decorative at all and are perfectly capable of causing non-fatal injuries.
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Unless the "decorative" knives are made of plastic they could be used irresponsibly too.
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Such items as sold by Barkers are normally only sold meeting legislation and in a responsible manner by specialised sporting retailers that will ensure customers are over 18 and have (where appropriate) a UKARA membership. I wouldn't trust a normal shop to understand or to comply with the letter of the law.
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At least it explains the BB pellet dints on the car door when parked on Sunbridge Road.
That should have read "Realistic Imitation Firearm" - even those BB guns in the brightly coloured finish to comply with legislation, often fire BBs at or in excess of 300 FPS (feet per second) which can blind or remove teeth if shot in a person's face, so they're not decorative at all and are perfectly capable of causing non-fatal injuries. . Unless the "decorative" knives are made of plastic they could be used irresponsibly too. . Such items as sold by Barkers are normally only sold meeting legislation and in a responsible manner by specialised sporting retailers that will ensure customers are over 18 and have (where appropriate) a UKARA membership. I wouldn't trust a normal shop to understand or to comply with the letter of the law. . At least it explains the BB pellet dints on the car door when parked on Sunbridge Road. Moon on a stick

5:05am Sun 26 Dec 10

Moon on a stick says...

Finally the cross bow, looking online at the Armex brand the T & A mentions as being sold, it does actually fire bolts so again is not decorative.
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http://www.bladesand
bows.co.uk/armex-spi
tfire-50lb-crossbow-
pistol-6-p.asp
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Online retailers note of the Armex "it is not to be considered a toy" and even a 50lb bow string would deliver a bolt at sufficient stength to cause serious injury.
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http://www.armexltd.
co.uk/page34.html
Finally the cross bow, looking online at the Armex brand the T & A mentions as being sold, it does actually fire bolts so again is not decorative. . http://www.bladesand bows.co.uk/armex-spi tfire-50lb-crossbow- pistol-6-p.asp . Online retailers note of the Armex "it is not to be considered a toy" and even a 50lb bow string would deliver a bolt at sufficient stength to cause serious injury. . http://www.armexltd. co.uk/page34.html Moon on a stick

8:53am Sun 26 Dec 10

webess says...

The Rev Howson and some posters on here should visit America. If they're outraged by crossbows on sale, how would they react to assault rifles on sale in supermarkets?
The Rev Howson and some posters on here should visit America. If they're outraged by crossbows on sale, how would they react to assault rifles on sale in supermarkets? webess

9:15am Sun 26 Dec 10

spottedsnake says...

OK, then if you believe that this shop is selling goods that are illegal under English law, then report them to the police. If that is genuinely the case then action will be taken.
Who does "likethis" think he/she is to pass any "moral" judgement on me personally. So I express an opinion he/she does not like, well like it or not I am equally entitled to express my opinion as you are. I actually believe in freedom, the freedom to buy and sell and consume whatever is lawful and the rights of personal choice. I don't believe that banning goods succeeds in doing anything except denying that personal choice and my opinion and morals are just as valid as yours. By the way, I rarely drink alcohol, and I don't celebrate Christmas. Personal choice.
OK, then if you believe that this shop is selling goods that are illegal under English law, then report them to the police. If that is genuinely the case then action will be taken. Who does "likethis" think he/she is to pass any "moral" judgement on me personally. So I express an opinion he/she does not like, well like it or not I am equally entitled to express my opinion as you are. I actually believe in freedom, the freedom to buy and sell and consume whatever is lawful and the rights of personal choice. I don't believe that banning goods succeeds in doing anything except denying that personal choice and my opinion and morals are just as valid as yours. By the way, I rarely drink alcohol, and I don't celebrate Christmas. Personal choice. spottedsnake

10:52am Sun 26 Dec 10

Windyass says...

likethis wrote:
spottedsnake wrote:
If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!!
Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded.
You're not very good at hiding your agenda are you? You couldn't give a **** about this story. As long as you can get your anti-alcohol rant in you're happy.

You're an offensive moron.
[quote][p][bold]likethis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spottedsnake[/bold] wrote: If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!![/p][/quote]Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded.[/p][/quote]You're not very good at hiding your agenda are you? You couldn't give a **** about this story. As long as you can get your anti-alcohol rant in you're happy. You're an offensive moron. Windyass

1:20pm Sun 26 Dec 10

Moon on a stick says...

webess wrote:
The Rev Howson and some posters on here should visit America. If they're outraged by crossbows on sale, how would they react to assault rifles on sale in supermarkets?
The difference is, Joe Public in England tends to be unarmed whilst the criminals readily carry weapons, wereas everyone in the US (state depending) is allowed to own a gun and is allowed to shoot it for self defence so the playing field is even at least.
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The problem we have in the UK is we try and ban everything rather than put the responsibility on the individual for their own actions.
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My concern apart for the negative impact shops like this have an the look of the retail environment is BB guns and crossbows do seem find there way to under 18's, given these days there isn't the respect for or fear of authority you end up with the likes of the idiot who was shooting shoppers with his BB gun on the street and even posed for a photo in the T & A.
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Overall though Rev Howson should be more outraged by the entire state of the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The Rev Howson and some posters on here should visit America. If they're outraged by crossbows on sale, how would they react to assault rifles on sale in supermarkets?[/p][/quote]The difference is, Joe Public in England tends to be unarmed whilst the criminals readily carry weapons, wereas everyone in the US (state depending) is allowed to own a gun and is allowed to shoot it for self defence so the playing field is even at least. . The problem we have in the UK is we try and ban everything rather than put the responsibility on the individual for their own actions. . My concern apart for the negative impact shops like this have an the look of the retail environment is BB guns and crossbows do seem find there way to under 18's, given these days there isn't the respect for or fear of authority you end up with the likes of the idiot who was shooting shoppers with his BB gun on the street and even posed for a photo in the T & A. . Overall though Rev Howson should be more outraged by the entire state of the city centre. Moon on a stick

1:22pm Sun 26 Dec 10

cheeky1 says...

Fake or Real it seems you can still be hurt or in this case killed!So whats the difference?You can get killed by them!
If they made it so that whoever was using it, had it blow up in there face or shoot backward when using it that might help!But that isn't gonna happen!
Fake or Real it seems you can still be hurt or in this case killed!So whats the difference?You can get killed by them! If they made it so that whoever was using it, had it blow up in there face or shoot backward when using it that might help!But that isn't gonna happen! cheeky1

10:12pm Sun 26 Dec 10

albion says...

webess wrote:
The Rev Howson and some posters on here should visit America. If they're outraged by crossbows on sale, how would they react to assault rifles on sale in supermarkets?
We are not in America.
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: The Rev Howson and some posters on here should visit America. If they're outraged by crossbows on sale, how would they react to assault rifles on sale in supermarkets?[/p][/quote]We are not in America. albion

10:22pm Sun 26 Dec 10

likethis says...

Windyass wrote:
likethis wrote:
spottedsnake wrote: If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!!
Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded.
You're not very good at hiding your agenda are you? You couldn't give a **** about this story. As long as you can get your anti-alcohol rant in you're happy. You're an offensive moron.
Whats that terrible smell?
[quote][p][bold]Windyass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likethis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spottedsnake[/bold] wrote: If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!![/p][/quote]Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded.[/p][/quote]You're not very good at hiding your agenda are you? You couldn't give a **** about this story. As long as you can get your anti-alcohol rant in you're happy. You're an offensive moron.[/p][/quote]Whats that terrible smell? likethis

11:58am Mon 27 Dec 10

Windyass says...

likethis wrote:
Windyass wrote:
likethis wrote:
spottedsnake wrote: If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!!
Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded.
You're not very good at hiding your agenda are you? You couldn't give a **** about this story. As long as you can get your anti-alcohol rant in you're happy. You're an offensive moron.
Whats that terrible smell?
Marmite on Toast.
[quote][p][bold]likethis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Windyass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]likethis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spottedsnake[/bold] wrote: If people are going to make comments about what is or is not acceptable to sell, then they should check their facts first. Any "weapons" are fake and for decorative purposes only, they could not actually be used. They also sell dragons, fibre-optic lights and other ornaments too. I have not been in the shop for a while but they do not and have never sold cannabis seeds. Most of the stuff in there is for shisha pipes which is totally legal to smoke in the home. Check your facts. Could it be that what you are actually opposed to is that they sell tobacco which is still perfectly legal!![/p][/quote]Actually they did sell cannabis seeds. In the glass cabinet along with legal highs like salvia, and other packets that are designed to mimic bags of skunk. The strain of cannabis seeds they sold were Northern Lights priced at 14.99. They openly sell bongs, glass crack pipes that you would never use for tobacco. They sell all kinds of total rubbish. I also think that the sale of tobacco should be restricted further with strict limits imposed upon its display and in-store advertizing. I say, shut the dam place down. As for shisha, it needs to be discouraged. The knives that I have seen on display, fake or not, they look like metal implements and offensive weapons to me, should be banned outright. In a country where we hear of stabbing everyday, literally everyday this needs to be banned. What are you , stupid or something. Have your senses and sense of morality become so anaesthetized by alcoholism that you have become retarded.[/p][/quote]You're not very good at hiding your agenda are you? You couldn't give a **** about this story. As long as you can get your anti-alcohol rant in you're happy. You're an offensive moron.[/p][/quote]Whats that terrible smell?[/p][/quote]Marmite on Toast. Windyass

12:11pm Mon 27 Dec 10

ra-ra says...

They are some very sick people out their just jumpimg on the bandwagon, this sicko killed people with a crossbow he used a real one.

What next a news story that someone covered their house in **** what will these sickos do go out a purchase **** well at least it will be free.

Do these people not have any brains at all, if they had no interest in purchasing these weapons before this incident whay the sudden interest now? morbid thats what they are, they must have too much time on their hands.
They are some very sick people out their just jumpimg on the bandwagon, this sicko killed people with a crossbow he used a real one. What next a news story that someone covered their house in **** what will these sickos do go out a purchase **** well at least it will be free. Do these people not have any brains at all, if they had no interest in purchasing these weapons before this incident whay the sudden interest now? morbid thats what they are, they must have too much time on their hands. ra-ra

2:34pm Wed 5 Jan 11

vbfg says...

"why would anyone actually want to own a crossbow? Im guessing the sort of person with no friends."

Didn't you shoot down a helicopter with one, Rambo?
"why would anyone actually want to own a crossbow? Im guessing the sort of person with no friends." Didn't you shoot down a helicopter with one, Rambo? vbfg

4:50pm Wed 5 Jan 11

nastybobby says...

cheeky1 wrote:
The trouble with these people who turn in2 serial killers and whatever are very good at living a Dr Jekell and Mr Hyde type of life!So the use all kind of different things to kill there victims!
This guy was so good he hid it all his life.If he was studying at uni and handing in written work, howcome the lectures and people who marked this work didn't pick up on it? After all they are suppose to be teaching others how to look ourt for these things! and only now are people coming forward to say how weird he was as a child and in later life...I suppose you could study these kind of people (if you know who they are and how do you really know?)from the day they were born...but like I said who is to know?It only shows itself when they do something evil....and then they slip up and Joe Public is usually the one who starts the ball rolling??
I've said it in other posts and I'll say it again. Mr Griffiths was not a Criminology Student! His doctorate was supervised by the local history dept. This 'fact' has been propagated across the media, The Times even did a completely irrelevant Op-ed article on his criminology studies!
[quote][p][bold]cheeky1[/bold] wrote: The trouble with these people who turn in2 serial killers and whatever are very good at living a Dr Jekell and Mr Hyde type of life!So the use all kind of different things to kill there victims! This guy was so good he hid it all his life.If he was studying at uni and handing in written work, howcome the lectures and people who marked this work didn't pick up on it? After all they are suppose to be teaching others how to look ourt for these things! and only now are people coming forward to say how weird he was as a child and in later life...I suppose you could study these kind of people (if you know who they are and how do you really know?)from the day they were born...but like I said who is to know?It only shows itself when they do something evil....and then they slip up and Joe Public is usually the one who starts the ball rolling??[/p][/quote]I've said it in other posts and I'll say it again. Mr Griffiths was not a Criminology Student! His doctorate was supervised by the local history dept. This 'fact' has been propagated across the media, The Times even did a completely irrelevant Op-ed article on his criminology studies! nastybobby

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