Bradford businessman and MEP calls for stronger Commonwealth trading links

CALLS: Amjad Bashir is calling for better trade links. Left, Lizzie Armitstead (centre), from Otley, celebrates success at the Commonwealth Games

CALLS: Amjad Bashir is calling for better trade links. Left, Lizzie Armitstead (centre), from Otley, celebrates success at the Commonwealth Games

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , City Hall Reporter

A BRADFORD businessman-turned-politician is calling for Britain's trading links within the Commonwealth to be beefed up.

Amjad Bashir, Ukip MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber, said the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow had showcased the best of the 53-nation alliance.

He is now calling for the UK to strengthen its trading links with Commonwealth countries, as a direct alternative to the EU.

Mr Bashir, a Bradfordian who entered politics after many years in the restaurant business, said up-and-coming economies like India could offer far more to British firms than the “failure” that was the European Union.

He said: “We share history, we share language, we share laws.

“In Australia, South Africa and Canada, their first language is English, and in a lot of other places, like India or Pakistan, English is the second language, so it is very easy for us to trade in these countries.

“A third of the world’s population lives in these countries. Their GDP is growing all the time and is worth several trillion pounds a year.

“This is why we have got to engage with them. They also don’t have such onerous legislation.”

But Mr Bashir made clear he would not want to see the Commonwealth create its own Parliament or create EU-style bureaucracy.

He said: "We don't want another federal idea created in the Commonwealth, as opposed to the EU. That is not what we are about.

"Parliament is sufficient."

Bradford Chamber welcomed the idea of strengthening trading ties with Commonwealth countries.

But its president Paul Mackie said it should not be seen as an "either-or" situation and that withdrawal from the EU could see business opportunities lost.

He said: "While we understand the rationale behind this appeal, I don’t think it’s necessarily something members would share.

"It’s not an either-or situation. Members want to see reform of the EU to reduce the bureaucracy and trading barriers but are concerned that withdrawal, for example, could mean a loss of potential business opportunities.

"Ideally, UK businesses should find it as easy to trade with their counterparts whether in Canada, Croatia or Cambodia and that is something that they want us to push for.

"It’s fair to say, however, that ties with the older countries of the Commonwealth, plus others experiencing rapid economic development, should be maintained or strengthened to maximise business opportunities."

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8:34am Sat 9 Aug 14

OLDLAD says...

The eu has already said it will not reform so all talk of reform is smoke and mirrors. If we leave the eu we could trade with who we wanted to when we wanted to. The eu is more like a closed shop and is producing countries full of drones, blind leading the blind. No leadership over syria, the crimea, isis or gaza only deafening silence.
The eu has already said it will not reform so all talk of reform is smoke and mirrors. If we leave the eu we could trade with who we wanted to when we wanted to. The eu is more like a closed shop and is producing countries full of drones, blind leading the blind. No leadership over syria, the crimea, isis or gaza only deafening silence. OLDLAD
  • Score: 12

9:04am Sat 9 Aug 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 3

9:23am Sat 9 Aug 14

mohammedyousaf says...

I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies

Please keep you nose out

Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities

How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis
I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies Please keep you nose out Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis mohammedyousaf
  • Score: 3

9:31am Sat 9 Aug 14

OLDLAD says...

mohammedyousaf wrote:
I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies

Please keep you nose out

Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities

How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis
As is proven in the number of empty shops in bradford
[quote][p][bold]mohammedyousaf[/bold] wrote: I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies Please keep you nose out Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis[/p][/quote]As is proven in the number of empty shops in bradford OLDLAD
  • Score: 10

10:07am Sat 9 Aug 14

mohammedyousaf says...

OLDLAD wrote:
mohammedyousaf wrote:
I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies

Please keep you nose out

Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities

How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis
As is proven in the number of empty shops in bradford
I thought we were discussing developing international trade?
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mohammedyousaf[/bold] wrote: I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies Please keep you nose out Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis[/p][/quote]As is proven in the number of empty shops in bradford[/p][/quote]I thought we were discussing developing international trade? mohammedyousaf
  • Score: 11

10:21am Sat 9 Aug 14

BEETEEE says...

George Galloway investigated by West Yorkshire Police - Not a word from the T & A ??
George Galloway investigated by West Yorkshire Police - Not a word from the T & A ?? BEETEEE
  • Score: 9

10:32am Sat 9 Aug 14

mohammedyousaf says...

BEETEEE wrote:
George Galloway investigated by West Yorkshire Police - Not a word from the T & A ??
What in the name of heaven has GG's silly remarks got to do with developing international trade?
Please stick to the topic of the debate or go pitch your tent with the rest if the lunatic fringe
[quote][p][bold]BEETEEE[/bold] wrote: George Galloway investigated by West Yorkshire Police - Not a word from the T & A ??[/p][/quote]What in the name of heaven has GG's silly remarks got to do with developing international trade? Please stick to the topic of the debate or go pitch your tent with the rest if the lunatic fringe mohammedyousaf
  • Score: 10

10:36am Sat 9 Aug 14

Albion. says...

We already seem to have a thriving trade with one particular commonwealth country, the only problem being that the goods aren't declared.
We already seem to have a thriving trade with one particular commonwealth country, the only problem being that the goods aren't declared. Albion.
  • Score: 11

10:50am Sat 9 Aug 14

OLDLAD says...

mohammedyousaf wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
mohammedyousaf wrote:
I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies

Please keep you nose out

Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities

How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis
As is proven in the number of empty shops in bradford
I thought we were discussing developing international trade?
A good start would be local trade first, buy more local more people employ more, win win situation.
[quote][p][bold]mohammedyousaf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mohammedyousaf[/bold] wrote: I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies Please keep you nose out Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis[/p][/quote]As is proven in the number of empty shops in bradford[/p][/quote]I thought we were discussing developing international trade?[/p][/quote]A good start would be local trade first, buy more local more people employ more, win win situation. OLDLAD
  • Score: 1

12:13pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 7

4:36pm Sat 9 Aug 14

baildongreen says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us?
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us? baildongreen
  • Score: 4

7:31pm Sat 9 Aug 14

peterspan says...

baildongreen wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us?
'our country', who are you referring to you? Who are you? Did your ancestors live on these shores? Thought not!

This country belongs to the citizens of the country; Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs... are all citizens of this country.

Or do you believe this country belongs to a particular religion?
[quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us?[/p][/quote]'our country', who are you referring to you? Who are you? Did your ancestors live on these shores? Thought not! This country belongs to the citizens of the country; Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs... are all citizens of this country. Or do you believe this country belongs to a particular religion? peterspan
  • Score: 3

9:41pm Sat 9 Aug 14

They only do damage! says...

England, is a tolerant Christian country!. We are not British!!. Please, we are English, why people talk of a utopia for all is untrue, 600 people in westminster just get more publicity.
England, is a tolerant Christian country!. We are not British!!. Please, we are English, why people talk of a utopia for all is untrue, 600 people in westminster just get more publicity. They only do damage!
  • Score: 0

11:11pm Sat 9 Aug 14

piltdownman says...

peterspan wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us?
'our country', who are you referring to you? Who are you? Did your ancestors live on these shores? Thought not!

This country belongs to the citizens of the country; Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs... are all citizens of this country.

Or do you believe this country belongs to a particular religion?
That's the point isn't it. Most British people are prepared to accept that the country belongs to everybody, whatever their religion. The Muslims in northern Iraq don't have this tolerance. They are killing and displacing people simply because they don't believe in the same fairy stories as they do. If Muslims cannot extend tolerance towards the society in which they live, why should the society tolerate them?
[quote][p][bold]peterspan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us?[/p][/quote]'our country', who are you referring to you? Who are you? Did your ancestors live on these shores? Thought not! This country belongs to the citizens of the country; Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs... are all citizens of this country. Or do you believe this country belongs to a particular religion?[/p][/quote]That's the point isn't it. Most British people are prepared to accept that the country belongs to everybody, whatever their religion. The Muslims in northern Iraq don't have this tolerance. They are killing and displacing people simply because they don't believe in the same fairy stories as they do. If Muslims cannot extend tolerance towards the society in which they live, why should the society tolerate them? piltdownman
  • Score: 9

12:13am Sun 10 Aug 14

They only do damage! says...

peterspan wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us?
'our country', who are you referring to you? Who are you? Did your ancestors live on these shores? Thought not!

This country belongs to the citizens of the country; Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs... are all citizens of this country.

Or do you believe this country belongs to a particular religion?
I trace my ancestral heritage to the year of 1897!. You have been told of what is now a false community, we hoped it would come to truce. But the ancestral homes of most newcomers has been too slow to appreciate the benefits of our hospitality. "Communitys" and said leaders have only tried to exploit, our unique tolerance. The further we move on, the more you look to the past. We can only now explain the rules to our tolerance, ie: you have been given the good grace to live in another peoples country, we have given you citizenship on the precise reason, you understad our tolerance comes from our Christian beliefs!. Our belief is that if your good in life then you will be rewarded in death. To be fools in life is not good!!!.
[quote][p][bold]peterspan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoff. Talking of scum, tell me, if Muslims aren’t prepared to tolerate Christians and other non-muslims, in their Islamic State, why should we tolerate Muslims in our country? Are Muslims making fools of us?[/p][/quote]'our country', who are you referring to you? Who are you? Did your ancestors live on these shores? Thought not! This country belongs to the citizens of the country; Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs... are all citizens of this country. Or do you believe this country belongs to a particular religion?[/p][/quote]I trace my ancestral heritage to the year of 1897!. You have been told of what is now a false community, we hoped it would come to truce. But the ancestral homes of most newcomers has been too slow to appreciate the benefits of our hospitality. "Communitys" and said leaders have only tried to exploit, our unique tolerance. The further we move on, the more you look to the past. We can only now explain the rules to our tolerance, ie: you have been given the good grace to live in another peoples country, we have given you citizenship on the precise reason, you understad our tolerance comes from our Christian beliefs!. Our belief is that if your good in life then you will be rewarded in death. To be fools in life is not good!!!. They only do damage!
  • Score: 5

2:23am Sun 10 Aug 14

G_Firth says...

mohammedyousaf wrote:
I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies

Please keep you nose out

Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities

How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis
That's just it right there because at the moment business owners can not fully trade how they wish to trade because of EU red tape and regulations.
Even to a point where it actually dictates where they can buy and sell their goods and by how much.
The UK has always been traders it has to be simply because we are an island and need to be able to trade globally, which is something we just can not do at this moment in time fully.
The UK is been left behind in the race for the Asian trade market.
The UK also will lose its veto on the 1st of November which will also make things even harder to achieve.
But even more shocking that is not fully realized by many is that the loss of this Veto will also allow the EU to force the UK to take up the Euro.
A currency that has no hedge, no real security and no growth as a whole.
So ask yourself do you want to be dictated to by people whom have never even been elected by the general public or are you going to fight for real trade and truth where your vote isn't a whisper but a ROAR.
[quote][p][bold]mohammedyousaf[/bold] wrote: I find it incredible that politicians/policy planners and sofa chair entrepreneurs who frankly have no basic idea of international trade (and I include Mr Amjad Bashir who was a restaurant owner)are trying to advise business owners on their business strategies Please keep you nose out Your job as politicians is to create environments of opportunities How and if business owners wish to exploit those opportunities is entirely their call as they will decide depending on their risk analysis[/p][/quote]That's just it right there because at the moment business owners can not fully trade how they wish to trade because of EU red tape and regulations. Even to a point where it actually dictates where they can buy and sell their goods and by how much. The UK has always been traders it has to be simply because we are an island and need to be able to trade globally, which is something we just can not do at this moment in time fully. The UK is been left behind in the race for the Asian trade market. The UK also will lose its veto on the 1st of November which will also make things even harder to achieve. But even more shocking that is not fully realized by many is that the loss of this Veto will also allow the EU to force the UK to take up the Euro. A currency that has no hedge, no real security and no growth as a whole. So ask yourself do you want to be dictated to by people whom have never even been elected by the general public or are you going to fight for real trade and truth where your vote isn't a whisper but a ROAR. G_Firth
  • Score: 5

10:02am Sun 10 Aug 14

Grumpygirl says...

"The UK is been left behind in the race for the Asian trade market." True. We are actually getting left behind in all global markets, and the reason is plain to see. In the 1980s and 90s the Tories systemically destroyed this country's industrial base. Nothing to to with the EU, it was all about short term greed.
"The UK is been left behind in the race for the Asian trade market." True. We are actually getting left behind in all global markets, and the reason is plain to see. In the 1980s and 90s the Tories systemically destroyed this country's industrial base. Nothing to to with the EU, it was all about short term greed. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 2

10:15am Sun 10 Aug 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
You’re very quiet Hoff.

On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam..

I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]You’re very quiet Hoff. On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam.. I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live. SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: 4

11:28am Sun 10 Aug 14

G_Firth says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
"The UK is been left behind in the race for the Asian trade market." True. We are actually getting left behind in all global markets, and the reason is plain to see. In the 1980s and 90s the Tories systemically destroyed this country's industrial base. Nothing to to with the EU, it was all about short term greed.
Quite obviously you are fully unaware that all non EU trade deals have to be made via the EU and the UK does not have a say in the matter.
Such is the wording in the Lisbon Treaty that Labour unjustly signed us up to without holding a referendum on he matter.
Its not just the Tory's that have cause this country harm its also Labour and the Lib Dems, more so Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: "The UK is been left behind in the race for the Asian trade market." True. We are actually getting left behind in all global markets, and the reason is plain to see. In the 1980s and 90s the Tories systemically destroyed this country's industrial base. Nothing to to with the EU, it was all about short term greed.[/p][/quote]Quite obviously you are fully unaware that all non EU trade deals have to be made via the EU and the UK does not have a say in the matter. Such is the wording in the Lisbon Treaty that Labour unjustly signed us up to without holding a referendum on he matter. Its not just the Tory's that have cause this country harm its also Labour and the Lib Dems, more so Labour. G_Firth
  • Score: 2

12:03pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
You’re very quiet Hoff.

On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam..

I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live.
Why do you say 'On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza'?

There were more non-Muslims than Muslims condemning Israeli terrorism in Gaza. This has nothing to do with religion but the basic human rights of the Palestinian people which the Zionist scum refuse to give.

They think by bombing them into submission and killing their loved ones, that somehow calm will be restored. Such vile thoughts from the cold-blooded monsters in Tel Aviv.

And if you wish to tarnish the majority of Muslims with what's going on in particular parts of Iraq, then you're no different to the extremists who you condemn.
[quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]You’re very quiet Hoff. On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam.. I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live.[/p][/quote]Why do you say 'On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza'? There were more non-Muslims than Muslims condemning Israeli terrorism in Gaza. This has nothing to do with religion but the basic human rights of the Palestinian people which the Zionist scum refuse to give. They think by bombing them into submission and killing their loved ones, that somehow calm will be restored. Such vile thoughts from the cold-blooded monsters in Tel Aviv. And if you wish to tarnish the majority of Muslims with what's going on in particular parts of Iraq, then you're no different to the extremists who you condemn. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 7

2:52pm Sun 10 Aug 14

llos25 says...

They only do damage! wrote:
England, is a tolerant Christian country!. We are not British!!. Please, we are English, why people talk of a utopia for all is untrue, 600 people in westminster just get more publicity.
Not Christian think again.
[quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote: England, is a tolerant Christian country!. We are not British!!. Please, we are English, why people talk of a utopia for all is untrue, 600 people in westminster just get more publicity.[/p][/quote]Not Christian think again. llos25
  • Score: -1

11:31am Mon 11 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
You’re very quiet Hoff.

On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam..

I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live.
Women and children being buried alive and people being crucified doesn't even register on his atrocity radar as long as it's being perpetrated by his "brothers".
[quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]You’re very quiet Hoff. On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam.. I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live.[/p][/quote]Women and children being buried alive and people being crucified doesn't even register on his atrocity radar as long as it's being perpetrated by his "brothers". SinnerSaint
  • Score: 0

11:32am Mon 11 Aug 14

SinnerSaint says...

SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.
You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.
You’re very quiet Hoff.

On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam..

I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live.
Women and children being buried alive and people being crucified doesn't even register on his atrocity radar as long as it's being perpetrated by his "brothers".
[quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I'm going to buy israeli good on the basis Galloway tells me not to.[/p][/quote]You'd buy from the Zionist scum anyway. You don't need anyone to tell you otherwise, TVo'R'.[/p][/quote]You’re very quiet Hoff. On Saturday people of all religions joined with the Muslim community to condemn what is going on in Gaza. Yet, on the same day, Muslims were enthusiastically killing people because they weren't members of Islam.. I'm really disgusted by this behaviour. Apart from anything else, it's complete hypocrisy. I shall never trust another Muslim as long as I live.[/p][/quote]Women and children being buried alive and people being crucified doesn't even register on his atrocity radar as long as it's being perpetrated by his "brothers". SinnerSaint
  • Score: -1

8:50am Tue 12 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

Mr. Amjad Bashir,
your arguments are very simple, basically it comes down to that commonwealth countries speak English! Well ever phoned a call centre in India? Yes, simplicity in itself. NOT. Also most commonwealth contries with probably the exception of Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a high level of corruption. That does not make for easy business ties. And back to the Language thing, I live in Frankfurt and work for a German Bank, our 1st language in the office is English, NOT German. Go to any European major city and you will find that anyone under the age of 40 speaks better English than many West Yorksire folk. Innit?
Mr. Amjad Bashir, your arguments are very simple, basically it comes down to that commonwealth countries speak English! Well ever phoned a call centre in India? Yes, simplicity in itself. NOT. Also most commonwealth contries with probably the exception of Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a high level of corruption. That does not make for easy business ties. And back to the Language thing, I live in Frankfurt and work for a German Bank, our 1st language in the office is English, NOT German. Go to any European major city and you will find that anyone under the age of 40 speaks better English than many West Yorksire folk. Innit? LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 0

11:37am Tue 12 Aug 14

G_Firth says...

LeftLongAgo wrote:
Mr. Amjad Bashir,
your arguments are very simple, basically it comes down to that commonwealth countries speak English! Well ever phoned a call centre in India? Yes, simplicity in itself. NOT. Also most commonwealth contries with probably the exception of Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a high level of corruption. That does not make for easy business ties. And back to the Language thing, I live in Frankfurt and work for a German Bank, our 1st language in the office is English, NOT German. Go to any European major city and you will find that anyone under the age of 40 speaks better English than many West Yorksire folk. Innit?
It's not just a case of what language is spoken far from it.
I doubt you will be even aware that the EU blocked a 16bl trade deal with China that the UK was hoping for.
Nor would it seem that you are aware that after November 1st the UK loses full control of what trade deals it signs up to or that we lose our veto which leaves the door wide open to them forcing the UK to take up the Euro, and before you think that would be a change in the status quo with the EU that would force a referendum think again as that is also already written into the Lisbon Treaty and thus is not a major change in transfer of powers.
To be quite blunt as of November 1st a further 42 powers and very important ones at that will be transferred to the EU fully never to return unless we leave the EU.
So if you think for one second that the EU will reform think again, it is not in their interest to do so unless it is very minor reform that can be easily reversed by amendments.
Labour, Liberal Democrats and Greens have already set their stall as being fully pro EU.
Conservatives are just playing lip service of offering a referendum and will do the very same as they did with the AV referendum and make it a waste of time and money, but it has already been leaked that should a leave vote be returned they already have the clause in place where they do not have to accept the result and keep forcing a re-vote until they get a stay vote.
To be very blunt the Lib/Lab/Con/Green are all one in the same.
Ho BTW ask yourselves this other simple question of the northern transport cash now been banded about.
Where the hell is that money going to come from when the country is already running at a 750m deficit PA and by 2015 the country will already be in debt by 1.3 Trillion, Yes Trillion not Billion.
[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote: Mr. Amjad Bashir, your arguments are very simple, basically it comes down to that commonwealth countries speak English! Well ever phoned a call centre in India? Yes, simplicity in itself. NOT. Also most commonwealth contries with probably the exception of Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a high level of corruption. That does not make for easy business ties. And back to the Language thing, I live in Frankfurt and work for a German Bank, our 1st language in the office is English, NOT German. Go to any European major city and you will find that anyone under the age of 40 speaks better English than many West Yorksire folk. Innit?[/p][/quote]It's not just a case of what language is spoken far from it. I doubt you will be even aware that the EU blocked a 16bl trade deal with China that the UK was hoping for. Nor would it seem that you are aware that after November 1st the UK loses full control of what trade deals it signs up to or that we lose our veto which leaves the door wide open to them forcing the UK to take up the Euro, and before you think that would be a change in the status quo with the EU that would force a referendum think again as that is also already written into the Lisbon Treaty and thus is not a major change in transfer of powers. To be quite blunt as of November 1st a further 42 powers and very important ones at that will be transferred to the EU fully never to return unless we leave the EU. So if you think for one second that the EU will reform think again, it is not in their interest to do so unless it is very minor reform that can be easily reversed by amendments. Labour, Liberal Democrats and Greens have already set their stall as being fully pro EU. Conservatives are just playing lip service of offering a referendum and will do the very same as they did with the AV referendum and make it a waste of time and money, but it has already been leaked that should a leave vote be returned they already have the clause in place where they do not have to accept the result and keep forcing a re-vote until they get a stay vote. To be very blunt the Lib/Lab/Con/Green are all one in the same. Ho BTW ask yourselves this other simple question of the northern transport cash now been banded about. Where the hell is that money going to come from when the country is already running at a 750m deficit PA and by 2015 the country will already be in debt by 1.3 Trillion, Yes Trillion not Billion. G_Firth
  • Score: 1

11:52am Tue 12 Aug 14

G_Firth says...

It has been over six years since the Treaty of Lisbon was disgracefully ratified by our government over the heads of the Great British Public. Whilst the betrayal has not been forgotten, the controversy surrounding the terms of the Lisbon Treaty certainly has been.

The remaining provisions of Lisbon are due to come into force on 1st of November and they cripple what little is left of our national sovereignty even further.

Lisbon abolished the British veto in 44 sovereign policy areas, including Education, Energy and Immigration. Because of this, the majority of decisions in the EU’s Council of Ministers are now made by a “qualified majority”.

Under this system, each country is allocated a number of votes depending on their size, with Britain currently having 29 of the 352 votes. This falls short of the 93 votes needed to block the endless spewing out of pointless legislation from Brussels.

From November 1st, however, the allocation of each country’s votes in making qualified majority decisions is changing. From then on, each country’s share of the vote will be directly in line with their population as a percentage of the European Union’s total population. As Britain’s population comprises roughly 12 percent of the EU population, our share of the vote will increase from 8 percent to just over 12 percent.

Despite our voting strength increasing, the votes of our longstanding European allies, such as the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic, are being slashed. On top of this, the threshold needed to block legislation will increase from the current 26 percent to 35 percent. The effect will be to make it virtually impossible for Britain to stop laws we oppose coming into force.

Meanwhile, the votes of other leading European states such as France are increasing, whilst astonishingly, but not surprisingly, Germany’s voting strength will double. The Eurozone countries together will now have over 65 percent of the votes in the Council – just enough to railroad through legislation whether or not Britain and the non-Eurozone countries object.

Brussels already has a history of riding roughshod over the objections of the British people. With these changes, Britain is likely to be hurt even more frequently by pro-Eurozone measures which are against our national interest.

The Lisbon Treaty already caused irreparable damage to Britain when it came into force in 2009. Gone is our ability to prevent the EU ramming itself down our children’s throats with Brussels-themed brightly coloured childrens’ books, or heaping green taxes onto the struggling British taxpayer. The voting changes are simply the last Lisbon nail in the coffin of Great Britain’s sovereignty.

We must leave the European Union as soon as possible, before more damage can be wrought on Britain.

In the past we have had a limited ability to protect our interests, even if worthless Prime Ministers chose not to do so.

This has steadily been eroded for 40 years, culminating with these new rules coming into force in less than three months time. Britain cannot be allowed to lie defenceless against all these Eurozone countries.

We must Get Britain Out.
It has been over six years since the Treaty of Lisbon was disgracefully ratified by our government over the heads of the Great British Public. Whilst the betrayal has not been forgotten, the controversy surrounding the terms of the Lisbon Treaty certainly has been. The remaining provisions of Lisbon are due to come into force on 1st of November and they cripple what little is left of our national sovereignty even further. Lisbon abolished the British veto in 44 sovereign policy areas, including Education, Energy and Immigration. Because of this, the majority of decisions in the EU’s Council of Ministers are now made by a “qualified majority”. Under this system, each country is allocated a number of votes depending on their size, with Britain currently having 29 of the 352 votes. This falls short of the 93 votes needed to block the endless spewing out of pointless legislation from Brussels. From November 1st, however, the allocation of each country’s votes in making qualified majority decisions is changing. From then on, each country’s share of the vote will be directly in line with their population as a percentage of the European Union’s total population. As Britain’s population comprises roughly 12 percent of the EU population, our share of the vote will increase from 8 percent to just over 12 percent. Despite our voting strength increasing, the votes of our longstanding European allies, such as the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic, are being slashed. On top of this, the threshold needed to block legislation will increase from the current 26 percent to 35 percent. The effect will be to make it virtually impossible for Britain to stop laws we oppose coming into force. Meanwhile, the votes of other leading European states such as France are increasing, whilst astonishingly, but not surprisingly, Germany’s voting strength will double. The Eurozone countries together will now have over 65 percent of the votes in the Council – just enough to railroad through legislation whether or not Britain and the non-Eurozone countries object. Brussels already has a history of riding roughshod over the objections of the British people. With these changes, Britain is likely to be hurt even more frequently by pro-Eurozone measures which are against our national interest. The Lisbon Treaty already caused irreparable damage to Britain when it came into force in 2009. Gone is our ability to prevent the EU ramming itself down our children’s throats with Brussels-themed brightly coloured childrens’ books, or heaping green taxes onto the struggling British taxpayer. The voting changes are simply the last Lisbon nail in the coffin of Great Britain’s sovereignty. We must leave the European Union as soon as possible, before more damage can be wrought on Britain. In the past we have had a limited ability to protect our interests, even if worthless Prime Ministers chose not to do so. This has steadily been eroded for 40 years, culminating with these new rules coming into force in less than three months time. Britain cannot be allowed to lie defenceless against all these Eurozone countries. We must Get Britain Out. G_Firth
  • Score: 1

11:58am Tue 12 Aug 14

G_Firth says...

BTW if you want to know what those 42 are here's the list:
These are the areas :-
1) Administrative cooperation,
2) Asylum,
3) Border Controls,
4) Citizens initiative regulations,
5) Civil Protection,
6) Committee of the regions,
7) Common Defence Policy,
8) Crime prevention incentives,
9) Criminal judicial cooperation,
10) Criminal Law
11) Culture,
12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation,
13) Economic Social Committee,
14) Emergency International aid,
15) Energy,
16) EU Budget,
17) Eurojust,
18) European Central Bank,
19) European Court of Justice,
20) Europol
21) Eurozone external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election,
23) Freedom of Movement of Workers,
24) Freedom to Establish a Business,
25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy,
26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy,
27) General economic interest services,
28) Humanitarian Aid,
29) Immigration,
30) Intellectual property
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU,
32) Police cooperation,
33) President of the European Council election,
34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism,
35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency,
36) Self-employment rights,
37) Social Security Unanimity,
38) Space,
39) Sport,
40) Structural & Cohesion Funds,
41) Tourism,
42) Transport,
BTW if you want to know what those 42 are here's the list: These are the areas :- 1) Administrative cooperation, 2) Asylum, 3) Border Controls, 4) Citizens initiative regulations, 5) Civil Protection, 6) Committee of the regions, 7) Common Defence Policy, 8) Crime prevention incentives, 9) Criminal judicial cooperation, 10) Criminal Law 11) Culture, 12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation, 13) Economic Social Committee, 14) Emergency International aid, 15) Energy, 16) EU Budget, 17) Eurojust, 18) European Central Bank, 19) European Court of Justice, 20) Europol 21) Eurozone external representation, 22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election, 23) Freedom of Movement of Workers, 24) Freedom to Establish a Business, 25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy, 26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy, 27) General economic interest services, 28) Humanitarian Aid, 29) Immigration, 30) Intellectual property 31) Organisation of the Council of the EU, 32) Police cooperation, 33) President of the European Council election, 34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism, 35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency, 36) Self-employment rights, 37) Social Security Unanimity, 38) Space, 39) Sport, 40) Structural & Cohesion Funds, 41) Tourism, 42) Transport, G_Firth
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Tue 12 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

Mr. G. Firth,
Viele Grüß aus Deutschland,
I think I may be in a better position than you to be aware of European processes and various treaties. After all I work for DB Investment Banking Division. We do Mergers and Acquisitions around the world. We sought of have to know what we are doing when it comes to observing EU regulations and advising clients.
I dont work behind the counter for some back-water jingoistic, Yorkshire Bank or Building Society, or T`Halifax.
Take care now. Enjoy your day and take that whippet for a walk before it pees the floor.
Danke und Auf Wiedersehen. Tschuss!
Mr. G. Firth, Viele Grüß aus Deutschland, I think I may be in a better position than you to be aware of European processes and various treaties. After all I work for DB Investment Banking Division. We do Mergers and Acquisitions around the world. We sought of have to know what we are doing when it comes to observing EU regulations and advising clients. I dont work behind the counter for some back-water jingoistic, Yorkshire Bank or Building Society, or T`Halifax. Take care now. Enjoy your day and take that whippet for a walk before it pees the floor. Danke und Auf Wiedersehen. Tschuss! LeftLongAgo
  • Score: -1

2:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

G_Firth says...

LeftLongAgo wrote:
Mr. G. Firth,
Viele Grüß aus Deutschland,
I think I may be in a better position than you to be aware of European processes and various treaties. After all I work for DB Investment Banking Division. We do Mergers and Acquisitions around the world. We sought of have to know what we are doing when it comes to observing EU regulations and advising clients.
I dont work behind the counter for some back-water jingoistic, Yorkshire Bank or Building Society, or T`Halifax.
Take care now. Enjoy your day and take that whippet for a walk before it pees the floor.
Danke und Auf Wiedersehen. Tschuss!
Past errors seem to be costing Deutsche Bank AG (DB) dearly. The German bank recently announced a 14% deduction in pay for investment bankers, raising concerns about whether the European banking sector has actually recovered from the financial quagmire.

The pay cut comes after the bank reported a surprise loss for the quarter ended Dec 31, 2013, as expenses related to court settlements and investigations into its past misconduct weighed significantly on profitability. Deutsche Bank is embroiled in a number of litigations related to the U.S. subprime mortgage crises. Moreover, it has been charged with substantial fines for its role in rigging benchmark interest and currency rates.

With costs denting nearly the entire corporate and investment banking revenues of Deutsche Bank in the final quarter of 2013, the segment’s revenues registered a 27% year-over-year decline. The bank’s income from trading fixed income, currencies and commodities – the stronghold of its investment banking business – was hit the most in the sluggish economic backdrop. Further, the whopping 95% cost to income ratio in the segment indicates that this global banking major is struggling to trim expenses.

The above-mentioned setbacks resulted in the salaries, bonuses and other benefits in its corporate banking and securities division going down to €5.3 billion and the employee headcount dropping 2%. Further, with management’s expectation of fixed-income trading continuing to remain weak in Europe and increased litigation costs eating into the bank’s profitability, Deutsche Bank might be in for a tough time ahead.

Seems to me that not all is going to well for the bank you are working for.
[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote: Mr. G. Firth, Viele Grüß aus Deutschland, I think I may be in a better position than you to be aware of European processes and various treaties. After all I work for DB Investment Banking Division. We do Mergers and Acquisitions around the world. We sought of have to know what we are doing when it comes to observing EU regulations and advising clients. I dont work behind the counter for some back-water jingoistic, Yorkshire Bank or Building Society, or T`Halifax. Take care now. Enjoy your day and take that whippet for a walk before it pees the floor. Danke und Auf Wiedersehen. Tschuss![/p][/quote]Past errors seem to be costing Deutsche Bank AG (DB) dearly. The German bank recently announced a 14% deduction in pay for investment bankers, raising concerns about whether the European banking sector has actually recovered from the financial quagmire. The pay cut comes after the bank reported a surprise loss for the quarter ended Dec 31, 2013, as expenses related to court settlements and investigations into its past misconduct weighed significantly on profitability. Deutsche Bank is embroiled in a number of litigations related to the U.S. subprime mortgage crises. Moreover, it has been charged with substantial fines for its role in rigging benchmark interest and currency rates. With costs denting nearly the entire corporate and investment banking revenues of Deutsche Bank in the final quarter of 2013, the segment’s revenues registered a 27% year-over-year decline. The bank’s income from trading fixed income, currencies and commodities – the stronghold of its investment banking business – was hit the most in the sluggish economic backdrop. Further, the whopping 95% cost to income ratio in the segment indicates that this global banking major is struggling to trim expenses. The above-mentioned setbacks resulted in the salaries, bonuses and other benefits in its corporate banking and securities division going down to €5.3 billion and the employee headcount dropping 2%. Further, with management’s expectation of fixed-income trading continuing to remain weak in Europe and increased litigation costs eating into the bank’s profitability, Deutsche Bank might be in for a tough time ahead. Seems to me that not all is going to well for the bank you are working for. G_Firth
  • Score: 1

9:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

G_Firth wrote:
It has been over six years since the Treaty of Lisbon was disgracefully ratified by our government over the heads of the Great British Public. Whilst the betrayal has not been forgotten, the controversy surrounding the terms of the Lisbon Treaty certainly has been.

The remaining provisions of Lisbon are due to come into force on 1st of November and they cripple what little is left of our national sovereignty even further.

Lisbon abolished the British veto in 44 sovereign policy areas, including Education, Energy and Immigration. Because of this, the majority of decisions in the EU’s Council of Ministers are now made by a “qualified majority”.

Under this system, each country is allocated a number of votes depending on their size, with Britain currently having 29 of the 352 votes. This falls short of the 93 votes needed to block the endless spewing out of pointless legislation from Brussels.

From November 1st, however, the allocation of each country’s votes in making qualified majority decisions is changing. From then on, each country’s share of the vote will be directly in line with their population as a percentage of the European Union’s total population. As Britain’s population comprises roughly 12 percent of the EU population, our share of the vote will increase from 8 percent to just over 12 percent.

Despite our voting strength increasing, the votes of our longstanding European allies, such as the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic, are being slashed. On top of this, the threshold needed to block legislation will increase from the current 26 percent to 35 percent. The effect will be to make it virtually impossible for Britain to stop laws we oppose coming into force.

Meanwhile, the votes of other leading European states such as France are increasing, whilst astonishingly, but not surprisingly, Germany’s voting strength will double. The Eurozone countries together will now have over 65 percent of the votes in the Council – just enough to railroad through legislation whether or not Britain and the non-Eurozone countries object.

Brussels already has a history of riding roughshod over the objections of the British people. With these changes, Britain is likely to be hurt even more frequently by pro-Eurozone measures which are against our national interest.

The Lisbon Treaty already caused irreparable damage to Britain when it came into force in 2009. Gone is our ability to prevent the EU ramming itself down our children’s throats with Brussels-themed brightly coloured childrens’ books, or heaping green taxes onto the struggling British taxpayer. The voting changes are simply the last Lisbon nail in the coffin of Great Britain’s sovereignty.

We must leave the European Union as soon as possible, before more damage can be wrought on Britain.

In the past we have had a limited ability to protect our interests, even if worthless Prime Ministers chose not to do so.

This has steadily been eroded for 40 years, culminating with these new rules coming into force in less than three months time. Britain cannot be allowed to lie defenceless against all these Eurozone countries.

We must Get Britain Out.
What is it that makes you think it is right for Britain to be an equal partner in Europe but have a right to reject the rules we don't like but everyone else has to abide by the ones why like?

What makes us so special that we should be able to block decisions that the majority want. Isn't that undemocratic?
[quote][p][bold]G_Firth[/bold] wrote: It has been over six years since the Treaty of Lisbon was disgracefully ratified by our government over the heads of the Great British Public. Whilst the betrayal has not been forgotten, the controversy surrounding the terms of the Lisbon Treaty certainly has been. The remaining provisions of Lisbon are due to come into force on 1st of November and they cripple what little is left of our national sovereignty even further. Lisbon abolished the British veto in 44 sovereign policy areas, including Education, Energy and Immigration. Because of this, the majority of decisions in the EU’s Council of Ministers are now made by a “qualified majority”. Under this system, each country is allocated a number of votes depending on their size, with Britain currently having 29 of the 352 votes. This falls short of the 93 votes needed to block the endless spewing out of pointless legislation from Brussels. From November 1st, however, the allocation of each country’s votes in making qualified majority decisions is changing. From then on, each country’s share of the vote will be directly in line with their population as a percentage of the European Union’s total population. As Britain’s population comprises roughly 12 percent of the EU population, our share of the vote will increase from 8 percent to just over 12 percent. Despite our voting strength increasing, the votes of our longstanding European allies, such as the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic, are being slashed. On top of this, the threshold needed to block legislation will increase from the current 26 percent to 35 percent. The effect will be to make it virtually impossible for Britain to stop laws we oppose coming into force. Meanwhile, the votes of other leading European states such as France are increasing, whilst astonishingly, but not surprisingly, Germany’s voting strength will double. The Eurozone countries together will now have over 65 percent of the votes in the Council – just enough to railroad through legislation whether or not Britain and the non-Eurozone countries object. Brussels already has a history of riding roughshod over the objections of the British people. With these changes, Britain is likely to be hurt even more frequently by pro-Eurozone measures which are against our national interest. The Lisbon Treaty already caused irreparable damage to Britain when it came into force in 2009. Gone is our ability to prevent the EU ramming itself down our children’s throats with Brussels-themed brightly coloured childrens’ books, or heaping green taxes onto the struggling British taxpayer. The voting changes are simply the last Lisbon nail in the coffin of Great Britain’s sovereignty. We must leave the European Union as soon as possible, before more damage can be wrought on Britain. In the past we have had a limited ability to protect our interests, even if worthless Prime Ministers chose not to do so. This has steadily been eroded for 40 years, culminating with these new rules coming into force in less than three months time. Britain cannot be allowed to lie defenceless against all these Eurozone countries. We must Get Britain Out.[/p][/quote]What is it that makes you think it is right for Britain to be an equal partner in Europe but have a right to reject the rules we don't like but everyone else has to abide by the ones why like? What makes us so special that we should be able to block decisions that the majority want. Isn't that undemocratic? Duke.Wellington
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Fri 15 Aug 14

G_Firth says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
G_Firth wrote:
It has been over six years since the Treaty of Lisbon was disgracefully ratified by our government over the heads of the Great British Public. Whilst the betrayal has not been forgotten, the controversy surrounding the terms of the Lisbon Treaty certainly has been.

The remaining provisions of Lisbon are due to come into force on 1st of November and they cripple what little is left of our national sovereignty even further.

Lisbon abolished the British veto in 44 sovereign policy areas, including Education, Energy and Immigration. Because of this, the majority of decisions in the EU’s Council of Ministers are now made by a “qualified majority”.

Under this system, each country is allocated a number of votes depending on their size, with Britain currently having 29 of the 352 votes. This falls short of the 93 votes needed to block the endless spewing out of pointless legislation from Brussels.

From November 1st, however, the allocation of each country’s votes in making qualified majority decisions is changing. From then on, each country’s share of the vote will be directly in line with their population as a percentage of the European Union’s total population. As Britain’s population comprises roughly 12 percent of the EU population, our share of the vote will increase from 8 percent to just over 12 percent.

Despite our voting strength increasing, the votes of our longstanding European allies, such as the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic, are being slashed. On top of this, the threshold needed to block legislation will increase from the current 26 percent to 35 percent. The effect will be to make it virtually impossible for Britain to stop laws we oppose coming into force.

Meanwhile, the votes of other leading European states such as France are increasing, whilst astonishingly, but not surprisingly, Germany’s voting strength will double. The Eurozone countries together will now have over 65 percent of the votes in the Council – just enough to railroad through legislation whether or not Britain and the non-Eurozone countries object.

Brussels already has a history of riding roughshod over the objections of the British people. With these changes, Britain is likely to be hurt even more frequently by pro-Eurozone measures which are against our national interest.

The Lisbon Treaty already caused irreparable damage to Britain when it came into force in 2009. Gone is our ability to prevent the EU ramming itself down our children’s throats with Brussels-themed brightly coloured childrens’ books, or heaping green taxes onto the struggling British taxpayer. The voting changes are simply the last Lisbon nail in the coffin of Great Britain’s sovereignty.

We must leave the European Union as soon as possible, before more damage can be wrought on Britain.

In the past we have had a limited ability to protect our interests, even if worthless Prime Ministers chose not to do so.

This has steadily been eroded for 40 years, culminating with these new rules coming into force in less than three months time. Britain cannot be allowed to lie defenceless against all these Eurozone countries.

We must Get Britain Out.
What is it that makes you think it is right for Britain to be an equal partner in Europe but have a right to reject the rules we don't like but everyone else has to abide by the ones why like?

What makes us so special that we should be able to block decisions that the majority want. Isn't that undemocratic?
What is more undemocratic is being ruled by a body that has not been elected by the general public
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G_Firth[/bold] wrote: It has been over six years since the Treaty of Lisbon was disgracefully ratified by our government over the heads of the Great British Public. Whilst the betrayal has not been forgotten, the controversy surrounding the terms of the Lisbon Treaty certainly has been. The remaining provisions of Lisbon are due to come into force on 1st of November and they cripple what little is left of our national sovereignty even further. Lisbon abolished the British veto in 44 sovereign policy areas, including Education, Energy and Immigration. Because of this, the majority of decisions in the EU’s Council of Ministers are now made by a “qualified majority”. Under this system, each country is allocated a number of votes depending on their size, with Britain currently having 29 of the 352 votes. This falls short of the 93 votes needed to block the endless spewing out of pointless legislation from Brussels. From November 1st, however, the allocation of each country’s votes in making qualified majority decisions is changing. From then on, each country’s share of the vote will be directly in line with their population as a percentage of the European Union’s total population. As Britain’s population comprises roughly 12 percent of the EU population, our share of the vote will increase from 8 percent to just over 12 percent. Despite our voting strength increasing, the votes of our longstanding European allies, such as the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic, are being slashed. On top of this, the threshold needed to block legislation will increase from the current 26 percent to 35 percent. The effect will be to make it virtually impossible for Britain to stop laws we oppose coming into force. Meanwhile, the votes of other leading European states such as France are increasing, whilst astonishingly, but not surprisingly, Germany’s voting strength will double. The Eurozone countries together will now have over 65 percent of the votes in the Council – just enough to railroad through legislation whether or not Britain and the non-Eurozone countries object. Brussels already has a history of riding roughshod over the objections of the British people. With these changes, Britain is likely to be hurt even more frequently by pro-Eurozone measures which are against our national interest. The Lisbon Treaty already caused irreparable damage to Britain when it came into force in 2009. Gone is our ability to prevent the EU ramming itself down our children’s throats with Brussels-themed brightly coloured childrens’ books, or heaping green taxes onto the struggling British taxpayer. The voting changes are simply the last Lisbon nail in the coffin of Great Britain’s sovereignty. We must leave the European Union as soon as possible, before more damage can be wrought on Britain. In the past we have had a limited ability to protect our interests, even if worthless Prime Ministers chose not to do so. This has steadily been eroded for 40 years, culminating with these new rules coming into force in less than three months time. Britain cannot be allowed to lie defenceless against all these Eurozone countries. We must Get Britain Out.[/p][/quote]What is it that makes you think it is right for Britain to be an equal partner in Europe but have a right to reject the rules we don't like but everyone else has to abide by the ones why like? What makes us so special that we should be able to block decisions that the majority want. Isn't that undemocratic?[/p][/quote]What is more undemocratic is being ruled by a body that has not been elected by the general public G_Firth
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