VIDEO: Public asked if they want new-style bus in Bradford

TICKET TO RIDE: Andy Robinson alongside a new Routemaster bus at the First bus depot in Bowling Back Lane, Bradford

TICKET TO RIDE: Andy Robinson alongside a new Routemaster bus at the First bus depot in Bowling Back Lane, Bradford

PLAN: A new Routemaster bus at the First bus depot in Bowling Back Lane, Bradford

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A BUS based on London's new Routemaster vehicle could be coming to Bradford's streets - if the public wants it.

First Bus has started a consultation on its proposal for a 'New Bus for West Yorkshire' which has been touring the city.

The company's three-part proposal also includes introducing smart card ticketing, similar to the Oyster card used in London, and tackling congestion hot spots where changes to road layouts and traffic signals could reduce delays.

An exhibition outlining the package along with a green Routemaster bus has been on show in the city. The public, politicians, Council officers, business representatives and community and transport groups will be asked what they think of the proposal.

First said multi entry and exit points and touch-card ticketing on the new bus will speed up boarding and alighting, therefore cutting journey times. The buses will also have hybrid, fuel-efficient engines that will reduce CO2 emissions by nearly half compared to standard diesel buses, the company added.

Paul Turner, head of commercial at First, said: "We want to test the reaction of people across Bradford to the package of measures we are proposing which we believe could radically transform public transport in West Yorkshire. Over the coming weeks we will be consulting with politicians, businesses and the public to gain their views.

"The other factors that will determine whether we go ahead with this significant investment are the completion of a bus partnership agreement with Metro and the new West Yorkshire Combined Authority.

"Negotiations have been going on between all the bus operators and Metro for a couple of years now and we need the agreement to provide the stability necessary to make major investment decisions.

"In other areas, similar partnership agreements have led to significant fare reductions and increases in passenger numbers."

The consultation is taking place at the same time as the public inquiry into the trolleybus scheme, and Mr Turner added: "Unlike the trolleybus, the New Bus proposal would bring significant benefits to a much larger number of customers throughout West Yorkshire and not just one route in Leeds.

"It could start to be introduced within the next 18 months and there is no financial risk to the tax-payer."

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8:58am Sat 9 Aug 14

albioff says...

i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.
i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time. albioff
  • Score: 28

9:24am Sat 9 Aug 14

mad matt says...

albioff wrote:
i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.
Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip".

Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner !
[quote][p][bold]albioff[/bold] wrote: i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.[/p][/quote]Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip". Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner ! mad matt
  • Score: 20

10:42am Sat 9 Aug 14

Albion. says...

mad matt wrote:
albioff wrote:
i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.
Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip".

Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner !
If they have conductors I'm all in favour, if not, then they will just encourage the cheats.
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albioff[/bold] wrote: i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.[/p][/quote]Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip". Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner ![/p][/quote]If they have conductors I'm all in favour, if not, then they will just encourage the cheats. Albion.
  • Score: 15

11:09am Sat 9 Aug 14

joe415018 says...

Just buses that run on time instead of the when we're good and ready timetable that First seem to operate. Overpriced dirty and stink with rude drivers. No wonder more cars on the road each year.
Just buses that run on time instead of the when we're good and ready timetable that First seem to operate. Overpriced dirty and stink with rude drivers. No wonder more cars on the road each year. joe415018
  • Score: 15

12:27pm Sat 9 Aug 14

wolfspeak says...

Do the new buses stop dirty ,smelly obnoxious people getting on, particularly those who spit, sneeze and **** in all directions.
Until they do I'll use my car and listen to calm music in a clean atmosphere.
Do the new buses stop dirty ,smelly obnoxious people getting on, particularly those who spit, sneeze and **** in all directions. Until they do I'll use my car and listen to calm music in a clean atmosphere. wolfspeak
  • Score: 13

12:38pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Freddy Elliot says...

wolfspeak wrote:
Do the new buses stop dirty ,smelly obnoxious people getting on, particularly those who spit, sneeze and **** in all directions.
Until they do I'll use my car and listen to calm music in a clean atmosphere.
Yes the bus drivers will remain in their current roles.
[quote][p][bold]wolfspeak[/bold] wrote: Do the new buses stop dirty ,smelly obnoxious people getting on, particularly those who spit, sneeze and **** in all directions. Until they do I'll use my car and listen to calm music in a clean atmosphere.[/p][/quote]Yes the bus drivers will remain in their current roles. Freddy Elliot
  • Score: 13

3:07pm Sat 9 Aug 14

999 number of the beast says...

I would prefer it if they reduced bus fares. Its a shame the Labour council hasn't brought buses back under council control because even this Thatcherite admits privatisation has been a disaster.
I would prefer it if they reduced bus fares. Its a shame the Labour council hasn't brought buses back under council control because even this Thatcherite admits privatisation has been a disaster. 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 10

3:54pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Joedavid says...

No if they have Metro newspapers in to throw all over the floors.

Also no if they like 72 beni-busses that can't get into Leeds bus station.
No if they have Metro newspapers in to throw all over the floors. Also no if they like 72 beni-busses that can't get into Leeds bus station. Joedavid
  • Score: 6

9:22pm Sat 9 Aug 14

buffetlegs says...

I would be happy if they turned up. Last week my bus didn't materialise to get from Idle to Leeds, and ended up taking me six and a half hours to get to Filey. Don't need fancy buses, need buses to run on time.
I would be happy if they turned up. Last week my bus didn't materialise to get from Idle to Leeds, and ended up taking me six and a half hours to get to Filey. Don't need fancy buses, need buses to run on time. buffetlegs
  • Score: 4

11:03pm Sat 9 Aug 14

stavi69 says...

Well if they introduce these in West Yorkshire will they have talking displays to help people who are blind and visual inpaired like they have in London and Reading?
Well if they introduce these in West Yorkshire will they have talking displays to help people who are blind and visual inpaired like they have in London and Reading? stavi69
  • Score: 6

12:24am Sun 10 Aug 14

Spocks says...

Albion. wrote:
mad matt wrote:
albioff wrote:
i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.
Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip".

Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner !
If they have conductors I'm all in favour, if not, then they will just encourage the cheats.
Didn't we have buses with 2 doors & a conductor before first took over & got rid of them to reduce costs
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albioff[/bold] wrote: i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.[/p][/quote]Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip". Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner ![/p][/quote]If they have conductors I'm all in favour, if not, then they will just encourage the cheats.[/p][/quote]Didn't we have buses with 2 doors & a conductor before first took over & got rid of them to reduce costs Spocks
  • Score: 5

1:07am Sun 10 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

Its good that the bus companies are looking at ways of speeding up journey times but for me the main problem is the infrequent buses. There should be something like three times as many single decker buses to enable bus travel to compete with the car.
Its good that the bus companies are looking at ways of speeding up journey times but for me the main problem is the infrequent buses. There should be something like three times as many single decker buses to enable bus travel to compete with the car. basil fawlty
  • Score: 3

6:48am Sun 10 Aug 14

Albion. says...

Spocks wrote:
Albion. wrote:
mad matt wrote:
albioff wrote:
i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.
Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip".

Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner !
If they have conductors I'm all in favour, if not, then they will just encourage the cheats.
Didn't we have buses with 2 doors & a conductor before first took over & got rid of them to reduce costs
Yes, we also had a better service.
[quote][p][bold]Spocks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albioff[/bold] wrote: i would just be happy if they just turned up sometimes and even on a sunday when the roads are quiet if they just manage to turn up on time.[/p][/quote]Instead of running early 'cos it's the driver's "tea break trip". Anyway, how are they going to stop fare dodgers with all those doors - CCTV doesn't stop 'em doing a runner ![/p][/quote]If they have conductors I'm all in favour, if not, then they will just encourage the cheats.[/p][/quote]Didn't we have buses with 2 doors & a conductor before first took over & got rid of them to reduce costs[/p][/quote]Yes, we also had a better service. Albion.
  • Score: 3

7:30am Sun 10 Aug 14

theoutsider says...

Why can't we bring back the old schooll spec's where the driver used to let kids ride up front and operate the doors for him? It wer great fun coming home ont school spec from Drummond Road and calling to pick up kids from Whetley Lane. If a kid got off you dint like we used to close doors on em and trap ont bus so they missed the stop. Number of kids that ended up in School Green when they meant to get off at Belle Dean it wer a reet lark. Thing wer bus driver were in on it an all and carried on smoking while we larked around. Driver used to even stop bus at Four Lane Ends an go int shop for a packet a fags and left engine running with us on it! Then the wer feights ont bus everybody getting stuck in at back and emergency door coming open while bus were travelling! One kid fell out on road as I remember and bus carried on! up Thornton Road. Nobidy ever got into bother and the same driver picked us up day after day for the two years we travellled to school at Drummond Rd. Those really were happy days and the bus were alas on time and free!
Why can't we bring back the old schooll spec's where the driver used to let kids ride up front and operate the doors for him? It wer great fun coming home ont school spec from Drummond Road and calling to pick up kids from Whetley Lane. If a kid got off you dint like we used to close doors on em and trap ont bus so they missed the stop. Number of kids that ended up in School Green when they meant to get off at Belle Dean it wer a reet lark. Thing wer bus driver were in on it an all and carried on smoking while we larked around. Driver used to even stop bus at Four Lane Ends an go int shop for a packet a fags and left engine running with us on it! Then the wer feights ont bus everybody getting stuck in at back and emergency door coming open while bus were travelling! One kid fell out on road as I remember and bus carried on! up Thornton Road. Nobidy ever got into bother and the same driver picked us up day after day for the two years we travellled to school at Drummond Rd. Those really were happy days and the bus were alas on time and free! theoutsider
  • Score: 0

10:22am Sun 10 Aug 14

mad matt says...

One f the worst "improvements" was driver only operation.
The conductor was in overall charge of the bus, leaving the driver responsible for timekeeping and able to drive safely with less distraction.
Journey times were quicker because the passengers got on and off a lot quicker and the fares were collected as the bus was moving.
You also had the added security of the conductor who could keep an eye on the behaviour of the passengers.
One f the worst "improvements" was driver only operation. The conductor was in overall charge of the bus, leaving the driver responsible for timekeeping and able to drive safely with less distraction. Journey times were quicker because the passengers got on and off a lot quicker and the fares were collected as the bus was moving. You also had the added security of the conductor who could keep an eye on the behaviour of the passengers. mad matt
  • Score: 6

11:13am Sun 10 Aug 14

albioff says...

you can see a marked difference if you look at transdev in keighley area, they are reliable and largely on time, mostly clean and the staff are much better and friendlier. if short of a driver they do mostly get someone out with it whereas first just seem to pull it off the road and beggar the passengers waiting.
you can see a marked difference if you look at transdev in keighley area, they are reliable and largely on time, mostly clean and the staff are much better and friendlier. if short of a driver they do mostly get someone out with it whereas first just seem to pull it off the road and beggar the passengers waiting. albioff
  • Score: 6

2:57pm Sun 10 Aug 14

llos25 says...

I once got the bus to Huddersfield from Bradford it was late, dirty,full of school kids smoking never again oh and it was expensive.
I once got the bus to Huddersfield from Bradford it was late, dirty,full of school kids smoking never again oh and it was expensive. llos25
  • Score: 3

8:23am Mon 11 Aug 14

Huneybunch says...

First Bradford should bring back Conductors on all its buses. Also they need to turn up on time. And yes instead of taking a bus off because the driver was a no show, let the duty inspector drive! I find Bradford bus drivers (not all) rude and very impatient. We Joe public pay for a service and pay the drivers wages. If no one used the buses for a day I wonder how much profit First Bradford would loose?
First Bradford should bring back Conductors on all its buses. Also they need to turn up on time. And yes instead of taking a bus off because the driver was a no show, let the duty inspector drive! I find Bradford bus drivers (not all) rude and very impatient. We Joe public pay for a service and pay the drivers wages. If no one used the buses for a day I wonder how much profit First Bradford would loose? Huneybunch
  • Score: -1

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