The story of Britain's first female Muslim boxer, Bradford's Ambreen Sadiq, is taken to the stage

VIDEO: Britain's first female Muslim boxer's story taken to the stage

TRAINER: Boxer Ambreen Sadiq whose story is being turned into a play

INSPIRATION: Boxer Ambreen Sadiq's story will be shared in a play

SPOTLIGHT: Boxer Ambreen Sadiq whose story is being brought to the stage

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A WOMAN who became Britain's first female Muslim boxer is helping to train actors who are sharing her extraordinary story in a play.

Olympic hopeful Ambreen Sadiq, 20, is the boxing coach on a production to be staged in a Bradford gym in September.

Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in.

The story has inspired a play by the Common Wealth Theatre group called No Guts, No Heart, No Glory which will be performed at this year's Edinburgh Fringe Festival in a boxing gym.

It will then be showcased in Ambreen's own gym, Huggy's, in West Bowling, in September.

The group hopes the production will help inspire young Muslim girls to look beyond the stereotypes of what is expected of them.

Ambreen, of Keighley, has been training the actors for almost six months, to make the play as authentic as possible. It features a local cast of girls and stars Saira Tabasum, who won the British University Championships two years ago.

Ambreen, a former Shipley College student and national champion at age 16, said: "Initially I was contacted to do an interview about my life for a production about girls in boxing. I began to get more involved with the project and am now coaching the actresses so they know how to properly throw punches and the correct stances.

"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."

She said it was her father who encouraged her to get into boxing at a young age.

“I was told by some I was bringing shame on the community but I was determined to break down some barriers - and it’s my utmost wish that my story will help other young women to do the same.”

Director and producer Evie Manning said: "Coming from Bradford, I’ve always been very aware of the diversity within the Asian community and of how often young Muslim women are represented as submissive and passive. We wanted to make something that would push the expectations of young Muslim women."

Ambreen's former Shipley College tutor Mike Garrod said: "It’s so exciting that current staff and students will get the chance to see Ambreen’s dramatic story come to life. She is a fantastic ambassador."

The play is in Bradford from September 9 to 21. E-mail theatre@bradford.ac.uk or call (01274) 233200 for further information.

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7:12am Fri 25 Jul 14

Albion. says...

"Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in."

What a bunch of saddo's and well done Ambreen.
"Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in." What a bunch of saddo's and well done Ambreen. Albion.
  • Score: 28

7:14am Fri 25 Jul 14

monobrow man says...

Great story. The sooner Muslim women have role models like this the better for everyone.
Great story. The sooner Muslim women have role models like this the better for everyone. monobrow man
  • Score: 23

7:25am Fri 25 Jul 14

Apollo says...

Anyone issuing death threats should have felt the full force of the Law.

What happened in this case?
Anyone issuing death threats should have felt the full force of the Law. What happened in this case? Apollo
  • Score: 17

9:26am Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Good for her!
Good for her! Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 19

9:36am Fri 25 Jul 14

baildongreen says...

If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters? baildongreen
  • Score: -24

10:05am Fri 25 Jul 14

Apollo says...

baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
[quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible. Apollo
  • Score: -20

10:44am Fri 25 Jul 14

A650 says...

It depends on interpretation. Some interpretations are more flexible than others. Must all Christians have a day off work and go to worship on a Sunday? Must all Jews not work on a Friday?

Same thing.
It depends on interpretation. Some interpretations are more flexible than others. Must all Christians have a day off work and go to worship on a Sunday? Must all Jews not work on a Friday? Same thing. A650
  • Score: 20

11:15am Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Apollo wrote:
['The Community' is absolutely terrified of women having controll of their own lives. The community will do all it can to provent this from happening, like threatening a young woman with death for participating in a sport that they consider 'un-lady like'.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: ['The Community' is absolutely terrified of women having controll of their own lives. The community will do all it can to provent this from happening, like threatening a young woman with death for participating in a sport that they consider 'un-lady like'. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 12

1:00pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
[quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -7

1:06pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."

Put a vest and some shorts on lass, this is a free country. Forget about what some people who live their life to the laws of a dark ages book think.
The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." Put a vest and some shorts on lass, this is a free country. Forget about what some people who live their life to the laws of a dark ages book think. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

1:06pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Apollo wrote:
Anyone issuing death threats should have felt the full force of the Law.

What happened in this case?
Nothing since it's BS.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Anyone issuing death threats should have felt the full force of the Law. What happened in this case?[/p][/quote]Nothing since it's BS. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -3

1:07pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."
Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
21 thumbs in up 6 minutes. Someone's running multiple accounts.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]21 thumbs in up 6 minutes. Someone's running multiple accounts. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Because she is talking about herself and her own experiences you moron.

I'm surprised you haven't called her vile BNP/EDL scum for being Islamaphobic!
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Because she is talking about herself and her own experiences you moron. I'm surprised you haven't called her vile BNP/EDL scum for being Islamaphobic! Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 12

1:08pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."
Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
21 thumbs in up 6 minutes. Someone's running multiple accounts.
Don't be silly please.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]21 thumbs in up 6 minutes. Someone's running multiple accounts.[/p][/quote]Don't be silly please. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -7

1:09pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."
Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
21 thumbs in up 6 minutes. Someone's running multiple accounts.
You don't even need multiple accounts. It's easily to manipulate the thumbs up if you want to.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]21 thumbs in up 6 minutes. Someone's running multiple accounts.[/p][/quote]You don't even need multiple accounts. It's easily to manipulate the thumbs up if you want to. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in.

A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.
Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in. A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 10

1:13pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in.

A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.
Logic isn't their strong point I'm afraid. See 'honour killings'
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in. A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.[/p][/quote]Logic isn't their strong point I'm afraid. See 'honour killings' Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -5

1:15pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in.

A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.
Logic isn't their strong point I'm afraid. See 'honour killings'
Or rapes in Hindu India...
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in. A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.[/p][/quote]Logic isn't their strong point I'm afraid. See 'honour killings'[/p][/quote]Or rapes in Hindu India... Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 23

1:20pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in.

A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.
Logic isn't their strong point I'm afraid. See 'honour killings'
Or rapes in Hindu India...
Didn't take long for you to try and point the finger at someone else when an uncomfortable truth about Islam was put to you.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in. A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.[/p][/quote]Logic isn't their strong point I'm afraid. See 'honour killings'[/p][/quote]Or rapes in Hindu India...[/p][/quote]Didn't take long for you to try and point the finger at someone else when an uncomfortable truth about Islam was put to you. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -12

1:28pm Fri 25 Jul 14

zakenterprises says...

Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol zakenterprises
  • Score: 23

1:34pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

zakenterprises wrote:
Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though.
It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.
[quote][p][bold]zakenterprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol[/p][/quote]The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though. It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -5

1:34pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Apollo says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Apollo wrote: Apollo did not write that. It is full of spelling mistakes.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: ['The Community' is absolutely terrified of women having controll of their own lives. The community will do all it can to provent this from happening, like threatening a young woman with death for participating in a sport that they consider 'un-lady like'.[/p][/quote]Apollo did not write that. It is full of spelling mistakes. Apollo
  • Score: -18

1:38pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Apollo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Apollo wrote: Apollo did not write that. It is full of spelling mistakes.Prevent and control. Hardly 'full' of spelling mistakes.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: ['The Community' is absolutely terrified of women having controll of their own lives. The community will do all it can to provent this from happening, like threatening a young woman with death for participating in a sport that they consider 'un-lady like'.[/p][/quote]Apollo did not write that. It is full of spelling mistakes.[/p][/quote]Prevent and control. Hardly 'full' of spelling mistakes. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -15

3:11pm Fri 25 Jul 14

piltdownman says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hi Hoff.

I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to).

The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff. I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to). The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them. piltdownman
  • Score: -3

3:20pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
zakenterprises wrote:
Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though.
It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.
Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*?

Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist.

Scum.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zakenterprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol[/p][/quote]The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though. It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*? Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist. Scum. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -5

3:33pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

piltdownman wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hi Hoff.

I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to).

The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.
The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty.

Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies.

As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem.
[quote][p][bold]piltdownman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff. I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to). The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.[/p][/quote]The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty. Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies. As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 17

3:34pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
zakenterprises wrote:
Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though.
It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.
Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*?

Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist.

Scum.
Read the headline of the article.
The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article.
Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?'

But yes I am clearly racist scum.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zakenterprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol[/p][/quote]The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though. It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*? Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist. Scum.[/p][/quote]Read the headline of the article. The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article. Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?' But yes I am clearly racist scum. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

3:37pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
zakenterprises wrote:
Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though.
It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.
Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*?

Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist.

Scum.
Read the headline of the article.
The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article.
Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?'

But yes I am clearly racist scum.
Then the article is at fault also.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zakenterprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol[/p][/quote]The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though. It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*? Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist. Scum.[/p][/quote]Read the headline of the article. The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article. Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?' But yes I am clearly racist scum.[/p][/quote]Then the article is at fault also. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
zakenterprises wrote:
Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though.
It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.
Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*?

Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist.

Scum.
Read the headline of the article.
The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article.
Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?'

But yes I am clearly racist scum.
Then the article is at fault also.
A direct quote from Ambreen 'An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls'

So is she also 'at fault' then? God forbid anyone criticise any aspect of Islam.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zakenterprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol[/p][/quote]The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though. It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*? Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist. Scum.[/p][/quote]Read the headline of the article. The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article. Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?' But yes I am clearly racist scum.[/p][/quote]Then the article is at fault also.[/p][/quote]A direct quote from Ambreen 'An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls' So is she also 'at fault' then? God forbid anyone criticise any aspect of Islam. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 10

3:49pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
piltdownman wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hi Hoff.

I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to).

The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.
The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty.

Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies.

As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem.
There shouldn't be a problem anyway, as long as indecency laws are not broken, then people are free to dress as they wish!
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]piltdownman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff. I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to). The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.[/p][/quote]The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty. Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies. As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem.[/p][/quote]There shouldn't be a problem anyway, as long as indecency laws are not broken, then people are free to dress as they wish! Bone_idle18
  • Score: 11

4:21pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
zakenterprises wrote:
Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though.
It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.
Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*?

Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist.

Scum.
Read the headline of the article.
The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article.
Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?'

But yes I am clearly racist scum.
Then the article is at fault also.
A direct quote from Ambreen 'An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls'

So is she also 'at fault' then? God forbid anyone criticise any aspect of Islam.
A Muslim female wearing vests and shorts in the presence of others would not be regarded as modest.

In fact, it wouldn't have been regarded as modest in England (or anywhere else in Europe) about a 100 years ago.

Pity those times are gone and we live in such a decadent society; a society where criminals go unpunished and the victims are made to suffer.

Just one example of our 'wonderful, liberal' community.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zakenterprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol[/p][/quote]The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though. It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*? Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist. Scum.[/p][/quote]Read the headline of the article. The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article. Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?' But yes I am clearly racist scum.[/p][/quote]Then the article is at fault also.[/p][/quote]A direct quote from Ambreen 'An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls' So is she also 'at fault' then? God forbid anyone criticise any aspect of Islam.[/p][/quote]A Muslim female wearing vests and shorts in the presence of others would not be regarded as modest. In fact, it wouldn't have been regarded as modest in England (or anywhere else in Europe) about a 100 years ago. Pity those times are gone and we live in such a decadent society; a society where criminals go unpunished and the victims are made to suffer. Just one example of our 'wonderful, liberal' community. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -9

4:24pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
piltdownman wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hi Hoff.

I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to).

The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.
The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty.

Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies.

As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem.
There shouldn't be a problem anyway, as long as indecency laws are not broken, then people are free to dress as they wish!
Laws change according to society. For example, women couldn't walk around in mini skirts in the 1940s (and earlier).

They'd be shunned and ostracised by the people around them.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]piltdownman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff. I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to). The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.[/p][/quote]The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty. Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies. As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem.[/p][/quote]There shouldn't be a problem anyway, as long as indecency laws are not broken, then people are free to dress as they wish![/p][/quote]Laws change according to society. For example, women couldn't walk around in mini skirts in the 1940s (and earlier). They'd be shunned and ostracised by the people around them. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -14

4:39pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Kenny85 says...

Typical comments from the internet warriors that is bone idle and fatally bantam et al

Sheep to their liberal overlords. Creep back into your poverty hole

A hole
Typical comments from the internet warriors that is bone idle and fatally bantam et al Sheep to their liberal overlords. Creep back into your poverty hole A hole Kenny85
  • Score: -8

5:08pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
piltdownman wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hi Hoff.

I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to).

The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.
The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty.

Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies.

As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem.
There shouldn't be a problem anyway, as long as indecency laws are not broken, then people are free to dress as they wish!
Laws change according to society. For example, women couldn't walk around in mini skirts in the 1940s (and earlier).

They'd be shunned and ostracised by the people around them.
Mini Skirts weren't invented until the 1960s. This isn't about the past, it's about now! People have seen through all the garbage that was contrived to control the masses, with the exception of some from the backward countries, who are still restricted by threats, superstition and brainwashing. Anyway this is about a young woman who is excelling at sport, but as the very thought of that fills you with dread, you will try your usual tactic of diverting things off topic or failing that, getting the thread axed.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]piltdownman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff. I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to). The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.[/p][/quote]The Quran is quite clear when, for example, it comes to the issue of modesty. Generally speaking, the face covering is regarded as optional in many Muslim societies. As long as women (and men) are covered *respectfully*, then there shouldn't be a problem.[/p][/quote]There shouldn't be a problem anyway, as long as indecency laws are not broken, then people are free to dress as they wish![/p][/quote]Laws change according to society. For example, women couldn't walk around in mini skirts in the 1940s (and earlier). They'd be shunned and ostracised by the people around them.[/p][/quote]Mini Skirts weren't invented until the 1960s. This isn't about the past, it's about now! People have seen through all the garbage that was contrived to control the masses, with the exception of some from the backward countries, who are still restricted by threats, superstition and brainwashing. Anyway this is about a young woman who is excelling at sport, but as the very thought of that fills you with dread, you will try your usual tactic of diverting things off topic or failing that, getting the thread axed. Albion.
  • Score: 15

5:58pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Truth prevails says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in.

A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.
I find it hard to believe she received death threats. if that as the case surely the police would've been involved.
people just exaggerate things. my daughter wants to be involved in film and tv and I would fully support her decision in no matter what she wanted to do.
when ever something about a muslim is mentioned god knows where this information comes from
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Ambreen's decision to box meant she faced a large amount of prejudice, and even received death threats, from people who felt boxing was not something a Muslim girl should be involved in. A world where people who feel boxing was not something a muslim girl should be involved in see nothing wrong with handing out death threats. Logic.[/p][/quote]I find it hard to believe she received death threats. if that as the case surely the police would've been involved. people just exaggerate things. my daughter wants to be involved in film and tv and I would fully support her decision in no matter what she wanted to do. when ever something about a muslim is mentioned god knows where this information comes from Truth prevails
  • Score: 5

6:07pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Truth prevails says...

piltdownman wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hi Hoff.

I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to).

The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.
why do you people think women are forced to wear a headscarf or burka? majority of women wear it through choice. never heard such rubbish.
there are still a majority of Christians that follow the bible and believe in it as a word of god. just because not all people don't follow their religionbe it muslim or Christian or whatever who cares? its down to choice what your beliefs are ive got a sister that wears a headscarf and the other wears it occasionally no ones forced them to wear it and no ones made death threats towards them
[quote][p][bold]piltdownman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff. I see one lot of Muslims has sent a petition into Downing St. claiming the burka is non koranic and should be banned; a second lot of Muslims has sent in a counter petition saying that British women should be allowed to dress how they please (i.e. the way their bit of The Community tell them to). The koran is obviously open to interpretation so it can't be the absolute word of allah. Mohamed wasn't taking dictation after all. The Community therefore has no authority for dictating how women dress, or declaring jihads, or anything else. The Community should just shut up and let people get on with their lives the way they want to live them.[/p][/quote]why do you people think women are forced to wear a headscarf or burka? majority of women wear it through choice. never heard such rubbish. there are still a majority of Christians that follow the bible and believe in it as a word of god. just because not all people don't follow their religionbe it muslim or Christian or whatever who cares? its down to choice what your beliefs are ive got a sister that wears a headscarf and the other wears it occasionally no ones forced them to wear it and no ones made death threats towards them Truth prevails
  • Score: 7

7:15pm Fri 25 Jul 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah.

You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society,
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah. You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society, SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: 16

7:20pm Fri 25 Jul 14

They only do damage! says...

Well done to her and dad, intelligence and and a broad perspective is a great, great thing.
Well done to her and dad, intelligence and and a broad perspective is a great, great thing. They only do damage!
  • Score: 18

7:30pm Fri 25 Jul 14

sunnysidedown says...

SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah.

You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society,
Hi Hoff and the other Muslim apologists.

I read the same story, the point is that it's all women, whether they're Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Parsee, or just plain old atheist, This edict was from the same Muslims that told Christians to convert or be killed.

I think the only person who should be killed off is allah. The world would be much better without him.
[quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah. You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society,[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff and the other Muslim apologists. I read the same story, the point is that it's all women, whether they're Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Parsee, or just plain old atheist, This edict was from the same Muslims that told Christians to convert or be killed. I think the only person who should be killed off is allah. The world would be much better without him. sunnysidedown
  • Score: 7

9:04pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah.

You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society,
It was found out to be a hoax.

The gullibility of the vile Islamophobes, lulz.
[quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah. You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society,[/p][/quote]It was found out to be a hoax. The gullibility of the vile Islamophobes, lulz. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -14

9:06pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

sunnysidedown wrote:
SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."


Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs.

Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.
Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah.

You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society,
Hi Hoff and the other Muslim apologists.

I read the same story, the point is that it's all women, whether they're Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Parsee, or just plain old atheist, This edict was from the same Muslims that told Christians to convert or be killed.

I think the only person who should be killed off is allah. The world would be much better without him.
So keyboard warrior (and coward to boot); whatch' gonna do about it?

Whatcha' gonna do to 'kill off Islam' ?

Join the BNP/EDL ?

Lulz :D
[quote][p][bold]sunnysidedown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote]"An Asian girl or woman boxing is a huge thing in our culture especially when you are Pakistani and a Muslim, it’s seen as not very ladylike. The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." [/quote] Why just mention Asians and Muslims ? - The same applies to Asians and Hindus; to Asians and Sikhs. Their culture is more or less the same. All 3 value their modesty and sensitives when it comes to women.[/p][/quote]Hello Hoffster. Sensitivity when it comes to women? Really? I read in my paper today that Muslim (men) in Iraq have just ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 should have their clitoris cut off. Apparently it's koranic and the will of allah. You Muslims really are a collection of dark age barbarians. There can be no place for you in modern society,[/p][/quote]Hi Hoff and the other Muslim apologists. I read the same story, the point is that it's all women, whether they're Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Parsee, or just plain old atheist, This edict was from the same Muslims that told Christians to convert or be killed. I think the only person who should be killed off is allah. The world would be much better without him.[/p][/quote]So keyboard warrior (and coward to boot); whatch' gonna do about it? Whatcha' gonna do to 'kill off Islam' ? Join the BNP/EDL ? Lulz :D Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -12

9:11pm Fri 25 Jul 14

They only do damage! says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
zakenterprises wrote:
Apollo wrote:
baildongreen wrote:
If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?
No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.
I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol
The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though.
It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.
Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*?

Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist.

Scum.
Read the headline of the article.
The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article.
Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?'

But yes I am clearly racist scum.
Then the article is at fault also.
I hope you recieve the home help you need!. To call this girl a liar after so much abuse is disheartening, you are clearly uneducated in truth, and bonkers to boot.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zakenterprises[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]baildongreen[/bold] wrote: If she's a proper Muslim, why isn't she wearing a headscarf or a burka? Can it be that the Community is flexible on such matters?[/p][/quote]No, just hypocritical. The Community is never flexible.[/p][/quote]I think some of you need to look at the Bible..... women had their heads covered..... so what happened there? Makes me laugh when you say people don't intergrate and when they do you still moan... lol[/p][/quote]The bible that was written 2000 years ago? Thankfully we've moved on a lot since then. Maybe one day you can leave such practices in the 7th century where they belong and join us in the 21st century? I won't hold my breath though. It's the actions of the Muslim Community that people are 'moaning' at. There is universal support on here for Ambreen and universal condemnation of the death threats made to her.[/p][/quote]Why do you keep bringing religion into it everytime there's a story about *ASIANS*? Oh yeah, I forgot; it's a sneaky way of getting around 'not' being racist. Scum.[/p][/quote]Read the headline of the article. The word 'Muslim' is mentioned 6 times in the article. Your first comment was 'Why just mention Asians and Muslims ?' But yes I am clearly racist scum.[/p][/quote]Then the article is at fault also.[/p][/quote]I hope you recieve the home help you need!. To call this girl a liar after so much abuse is disheartening, you are clearly uneducated in truth, and bonkers to boot. They only do damage!
  • Score: 8

10:11pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Raj2121 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls."

Put a vest and some shorts on lass, this is a free country. Forget about what some people who live their life to the laws of a dark ages book think.
100 per cent agree
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: The dress code dictates competitors wear vest and shorts – forbidden clothing for Muslim girls." Put a vest and some shorts on lass, this is a free country. Forget about what some people who live their life to the laws of a dark ages book think.[/p][/quote]100 per cent agree Raj2121
  • Score: 11

3:48am Sat 26 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.
I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush. thedealsealer
  • Score: 0

6:48am Sat 26 Jul 14

BD16 says...

thedealsealer wrote:
I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.
Sorry but that's just wrong.

Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many.

Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this.

Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is.

Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.
[quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that's just wrong. Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many. Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this. Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is. Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport. BD16
  • Score: 9

9:45am Sat 26 Jul 14

Jordan"G" says...

Firstly, women fighting is disgusting. Secondly, what's Islamic about a teenage girl emulating males by boxing? It's a joke.
Firstly, women fighting is disgusting. Secondly, what's Islamic about a teenage girl emulating males by boxing? It's a joke. Jordan"G"
  • Score: -9

12:33pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

BD16 wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.
Sorry but that's just wrong.

Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many.

Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this.

Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is.

Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.
Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ?

If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A?

Where's the article re. this ?
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that's just wrong. Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many. Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this. Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is. Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.[/p][/quote]Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ? If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A? Where's the article re. this ? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -10

4:55pm Sat 26 Jul 14

BD16 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
BD16 wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.
Sorry but that's just wrong.

Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many.

Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this.

Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is.

Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.
Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ?

If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A?

Where's the article re. this ?
I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say?

What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual?
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that's just wrong. Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many. Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this. Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is. Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.[/p][/quote]Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ? If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A? Where's the article re. this ?[/p][/quote]I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say? What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual? BD16
  • Score: 0

6:39pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

BD16 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
BD16 wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.
Sorry but that's just wrong.

Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many.

Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this.

Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is.

Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.
Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ?

If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A?

Where's the article re. this ?
I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say?

What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual?
BD16, I agree one's beliefs shouldn't be enforced on others.

And you talk about Christians in Iraq being persecuted. Again, I agree; it's disgusting.

Also, since we're on the topic of one religious group persecuting another; what's your take on Jews killing Muslims in Gaza?

Have you read this article in today's Telegraph ? :

"Gaza death toll soars above 1,000 as ceasefire reveals horrors"

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/worldnew
s/middleeast/israel/
10992999/Gaza-death-
toll-soars-above-100
0-as-ceasefire-revea
ls-horrors.html

----------

As well as :

"UN warns of Israeli war crimes in Gaza"

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/world-middle-e
ast-28437626
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that's just wrong. Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many. Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this. Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is. Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.[/p][/quote]Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ? If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A? Where's the article re. this ?[/p][/quote]I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say? What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual?[/p][/quote]BD16, I agree one's beliefs shouldn't be enforced on others. And you talk about Christians in Iraq being persecuted. Again, I agree; it's disgusting. Also, since we're on the topic of one religious group persecuting another; what's your take on Jews killing Muslims in Gaza? Have you read this article in today's Telegraph ? : "Gaza death toll soars above 1,000 as ceasefire reveals horrors" http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/middleeast/israel/ 10992999/Gaza-death- toll-soars-above-100 0-as-ceasefire-revea ls-horrors.html ---------- As well as : "UN warns of Israeli war crimes in Gaza" http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28437626 Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -10

7:05pm Sat 26 Jul 14

BD16 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
BD16 wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.
Sorry but that's just wrong.

Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many.

Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this.

Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is.

Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.
Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ?

If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A?

Where's the article re. this ?
I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say?

What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual?
BD16, I agree one's beliefs shouldn't be enforced on others.

And you talk about Christians in Iraq being persecuted. Again, I agree; it's disgusting.

Also, since we're on the topic of one religious group persecuting another; what's your take on Jews killing Muslims in Gaza?

Have you read this article in today's Telegraph ? :

"Gaza death toll soars above 1,000 as ceasefire reveals horrors"

http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/news/worldnew

s/middleeast/israel/

10992999/Gaza-death-

toll-soars-above-100

0-as-ceasefire-revea

ls-horrors.html

----------

As well as :

"UN warns of Israeli war crimes in Gaza"

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/world-middle-e

ast-28437626
I'm appalled by both Israel and Hamas, especially Israel and the use of weapons like cluster bombs in recent times. But, I also agree with the quote saying something like "If the Arabs put down there weapons there would be peace but if Israel put down there weapons there would be no Israel" When some of your neighbours say they want to wipe you from the face of the earth you keep a pretty large stockpile of weaponry.

I don't make decisions on who's the good guys and who's the bad guys based simply on religion, do you? Blair and Bush killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, just like Saddam did before them. I hated them all equally for what they did.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that's just wrong. Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many. Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this. Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is. Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.[/p][/quote]Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ? If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A? Where's the article re. this ?[/p][/quote]I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say? What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual?[/p][/quote]BD16, I agree one's beliefs shouldn't be enforced on others. And you talk about Christians in Iraq being persecuted. Again, I agree; it's disgusting. Also, since we're on the topic of one religious group persecuting another; what's your take on Jews killing Muslims in Gaza? Have you read this article in today's Telegraph ? : "Gaza death toll soars above 1,000 as ceasefire reveals horrors" http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/middleeast/israel/ 10992999/Gaza-death- toll-soars-above-100 0-as-ceasefire-revea ls-horrors.html ---------- As well as : "UN warns of Israeli war crimes in Gaza" http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28437626[/p][/quote]I'm appalled by both Israel and Hamas, especially Israel and the use of weapons like cluster bombs in recent times. But, I also agree with the quote saying something like "If the Arabs put down there weapons there would be peace but if Israel put down there weapons there would be no Israel" When some of your neighbours say they want to wipe you from the face of the earth you keep a pretty large stockpile of weaponry. I don't make decisions on who's the good guys and who's the bad guys based simply on religion, do you? Blair and Bush killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, just like Saddam did before them. I hated them all equally for what they did. BD16
  • Score: 7

8:51pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

BD16 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
BD16 wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.
Sorry but that's just wrong.

Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many.

Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this.

Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is.

Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.
Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ?

If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A?

Where's the article re. this ?
I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say?

What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual?
BD16, I agree one's beliefs shouldn't be enforced on others.

And you talk about Christians in Iraq being persecuted. Again, I agree; it's disgusting.

Also, since we're on the topic of one religious group persecuting another; what's your take on Jews killing Muslims in Gaza?

Have you read this article in today's Telegraph ? :

"Gaza death toll soars above 1,000 as ceasefire reveals horrors"

http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/news/worldnew


s/middleeast/israel/


10992999/Gaza-death-


toll-soars-above-100


0-as-ceasefire-revea


ls-horrors.html

----------

As well as :

"UN warns of Israeli war crimes in Gaza"

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/world-middle-e


ast-28437626
I'm appalled by both Israel and Hamas, especially Israel and the use of weapons like cluster bombs in recent times. But, I also agree with the quote saying something like "If the Arabs put down there weapons there would be peace but if Israel put down there weapons there would be no Israel" When some of your neighbours say they want to wipe you from the face of the earth you keep a pretty large stockpile of weaponry.

I don't make decisions on who's the good guys and who's the bad guys based simply on religion, do you? Blair and Bush killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, just like Saddam did before them. I hated them all equally for what they did.
BD16, re. your saying :

I don't make decisions on who's the good guys and who's the bad guys based simply on religion, do you?


Nope; I certainly don't either. The only reason I *did* mention Jews and Muslims is because that differentiates who the Occupier is and who the occupied are.

And for the record, this conflict has nothing to do with religion. It's about the Palestinians wanting their absolute basic human rights and Israel trying to be a colonial power in the area (with their illegal settlement building not only in the West Bank but in East Jerusalem too), not to mention the illegal blockade they've got going in Gaza.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: I like how Albion, farsley bantam and co are taking the morale high ground, whilst being racist b****ds themselves, she received death threats from who ??? your making it out as if the whole muslim community wanted to stone her to death, and yes you lot moved on from the bible a long time ago but seems like you want Muslims to lose their religion too, doesn't everyone have a right to believe what they want! As for her if she wants to do that then that's fine, but if the dress code in her sport needs her to show more of her body than Islam permits, she need to think about it? And if she decides to go ahead with showing her body, then that's between her and god. Muslims should be allowed to disapprove and that's it. and the rest of you should stop judging them, and painting them all with the same brush.[/p][/quote]Sorry but that's just wrong. Are you saying that the T&A made up the death threats? That's a plural and one death threat is one too many. Yes, we have moved on thankfully. If Muslims want too keep their beliefs that's fine. The problem is that many also want to impose those beliefs on other people as well and certainly don't want their own moving on, see what's happening with the Christians in Mosul and "honour" killings for recent examples of this. Yes, it is between her and her God and , yes, Muslims should also be allowed to disapprove peacefully. The problem is that the very fact that this story has been published, and been so commented on, shows how unusual it is. Good luck to Ambreen. I hope she has a rewarding career in her chosen sport.[/p][/quote]Re. the so-called death threats; have the Police been involved ? If yes, why hasn't there been an outcry over this ? - especially in the T&A? Where's the article re. this ?[/p][/quote]I don't know. I wasn't the one threatened and it's not for me to report it to the police. What do you expect me to say? What about the rest of the story and my comments? Anything to say, or are you just going to focus on the bits that suit your racist agenda as usual?[/p][/quote]BD16, I agree one's beliefs shouldn't be enforced on others. And you talk about Christians in Iraq being persecuted. Again, I agree; it's disgusting. Also, since we're on the topic of one religious group persecuting another; what's your take on Jews killing Muslims in Gaza? Have you read this article in today's Telegraph ? : "Gaza death toll soars above 1,000 as ceasefire reveals horrors" http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/middleeast/israel/ 10992999/Gaza-death- toll-soars-above-100 0-as-ceasefire-revea ls-horrors.html ---------- As well as : "UN warns of Israeli war crimes in Gaza" http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28437626[/p][/quote]I'm appalled by both Israel and Hamas, especially Israel and the use of weapons like cluster bombs in recent times. But, I also agree with the quote saying something like "If the Arabs put down there weapons there would be peace but if Israel put down there weapons there would be no Israel" When some of your neighbours say they want to wipe you from the face of the earth you keep a pretty large stockpile of weaponry. I don't make decisions on who's the good guys and who's the bad guys based simply on religion, do you? Blair and Bush killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, just like Saddam did before them. I hated them all equally for what they did.[/p][/quote]BD16, re. your saying : [quote] I don't make decisions on who's the good guys and who's the bad guys based simply on religion, do you? [/quote] Nope; I certainly don't either. The only reason I *did* mention Jews and Muslims is because that differentiates who the Occupier is and who the occupied are. And for the record, this conflict has nothing to do with religion. It's about the Palestinians wanting their absolute basic human rights and Israel trying to be a colonial power in the area (with their illegal settlement building not only in the West Bank but in East Jerusalem too), not to mention the illegal blockade they've got going in Gaza. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

Robin, I agree with your viewpoint, another poster, on another website put this video up which I found very interesting

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=etXAm-Oyl
QQ
Robin, I agree with your viewpoint, another poster, on another website put this video up which I found very interesting http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=etXAm-Oyl QQ Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

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