UPDATE: Bradford MP David Ward apologises after Gaza rocket Tweet

David Ward MP talking to Lawrence and Barbara Brocklesby at the Carlisle Business Centre after giving a talk on Social Care Support. ts rep dc (8513567)

David Ward MP talking to Lawrence and Barbara Brocklesby at the Carlisle Business Centre after giving a talk on Social Care Support. ts rep dc (8513567)

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BRADFORD East MP David Ward has issued what the party described as a "categorical apology", after posting a tweet suggesting that he might be ready to fire rockets from Gaza into Israel.

The Liberal Democrat said that his comments were not intended to support Hamas rocket attacks, adding: "If they gave the opposite impression, I apologise."

The statement came after the Board of Deputies of British Jews called on Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg to withdraw the party whip from Mr Ward, whose membership was suspended for a period following previous controversial remarks about Israel and the Jews.

Following his statement, the Liberal Democrats said that Mr Ward would meet chief whip Don Foster "in due course" after which a decision would be made on whether disciplinary action should be taken.

Mr Ward was suspended by the party for several weeks last year after making controversial remarks about Israel and Jews.

Now his future is once being questioned after he used social media to give his verdict on the violence currently rocking the Middle East.

"The big question is - if I lived in Gaza would I fire a rocket? - probably yes," he posted online.

This morning, he told the Telegraph and Argus he stood by his comment and would not be withdrawing it.

He said: "What it is doing is understanding the state of mind of people who are absolutely desperate and are looking to the world to help them."

He denied the comment condoned the killing of innocent Israeli civilians.

 

 

He said: "If you lived in Gaza and you saw people being blown to pieces by one of the world's most powerful military forces and no-one was doing anything about it, save for platitudes about calling for a ceasefire, what would you do?

"Well, I don't know what I would do but I can imagine I would be in a pretty desperate state and would then do things I wouldn't normally do."

The party said it "utterly condemned" the remarks on Twitter which "are not representative of the Liberal Democrats".

"Nick Clegg has been at the forefront of calling for peace in Israel and Gaza," a spokesman said in a statement.

"The party takes this matter very seriously and will treat it as a disciplinary issue."

But Mr Ward said he had spoken to the party whip and he had not been told of any disciplinary action.

Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps called on the MP to withdraw the remark, which Labour said was a "vile" comment by a "desperate" MP.

"Appalling: No MP should Tweet what's essentially incitement to violence," Mr Shapps said.

"Mr Ward must withdraw now. Completely irresponsible."

Another Lib Dem MP, Stephen Williams, distanced himself from his party colleague's views.

"I think Israel's response is heavy handed but Hamas rocket firing is deplorable too," he told him.

"I've seen school bomb shelters in S Israel."

Mr Ward, the MP for Bradford East, had the party whip restored in September after serving a suspension over a series of clashes with the Lib Dem hierarchy over his views on Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians.

The final straw for leadership was a posting in July last year questioning the future existence of the state of Israel which the party said broke a previous agreement to use "proportionate and precise''

language when commenting on the issue.

Mr Ward condemned that ruling as ''disproportionate'' saying such views were widely shared.

A Labour spokesman said: "At a time when all sides should be working for a ceasefire and a peaceful settlement, it defies belief that a Liberal Democrat MP should tweet something so vile and irresponsible.

"Nick Clegg must act immediately to disassociate his party from this comment."

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8:49am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Playing to the gallery. See also, George Galloway.
Playing to the gallery. See also, George Galloway. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 14

8:57am Wed 23 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews?

"The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?"

Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one.

Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired.

Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.
There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews? "The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?" Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one. Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired. Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -24

9:00am Wed 23 Jul 14

angry bradfordian says...

It would be a pretty narrow band of people he could be inciting- i.e anyone with a rocket launcher. I suspect there aren't many of those who follow the MP for Bradford East on Twitter!
There's far more chance of incitement now that the Chairman of the Tories has highlighted it for cheap political points.

I'd say their was far more direct incitement from the councillors who have warned that yobs may attack the bookies on Duckworth Lane if it gets approval....
It would be a pretty narrow band of people he could be inciting- i.e anyone with a rocket launcher. I suspect there aren't many of those who follow the MP for Bradford East on Twitter! There's far more chance of incitement now that the Chairman of the Tories has highlighted it for cheap political points. I'd say their was far more direct incitement from the councillors who have warned that yobs may attack the bookies on Duckworth Lane if it gets approval.... angry bradfordian
  • Score: 43

9:01am Wed 23 Jul 14

i'dliketosay says...

I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight i'dliketosay
  • Score: 102

9:02am Wed 23 Jul 14

pww of idle says...

Is it coincidence that this "honourable" MP for Bradford East has a LARGE Muslim electorate in his ward ? Disgraceful comment by a Member of Parliament, though typical of this House , which is so out of touch with ordinary people !!!!!!!!!!!
Is it coincidence that this "honourable" MP for Bradford East has a LARGE Muslim electorate in his ward ? Disgraceful comment by a Member of Parliament, though typical of this House , which is so out of touch with ordinary people !!!!!!!!!!! pww of idle
  • Score: -54

9:12am Wed 23 Jul 14

MontyLeMar says...

Anyone who has watched the Israel/Palestine dispute over the years recognises Ward's frustration. We also recognise the political establishment hypocrisy when we see it. Gaza is an open prison and the guards in the towers are Israelis. No doubt the rockets are being fired to provoke the Israelis in order to start a region wide conflict. This is all going to end in tears.
Anyone who has watched the Israel/Palestine dispute over the years recognises Ward's frustration. We also recognise the political establishment hypocrisy when we see it. Gaza is an open prison and the guards in the towers are Israelis. No doubt the rockets are being fired to provoke the Israelis in order to start a region wide conflict. This is all going to end in tears. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 64

9:12am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

i'dliketosay wrote:
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible.
Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths.
Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.
[quote][p][bold]i'dliketosay[/bold] wrote: I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight[/p][/quote]If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible. Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths. Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -54

9:16am Wed 23 Jul 14

collos25 says...

When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants. collos25
  • Score: 60

9:22am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then?
Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then? Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -15

9:28am Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

Not surprised the elite are going to hammer him as any dissension with regards to Israel is simply not tolerated as we all know who controls who.
His opinion is widespread among the public not just the affected minority.
The way gaza is blockaded, the heavy handed civilian deaths, the atrocious stories and images coming out with families massacred, and that poor chap assasinated by an IDF sniper, and in the long term no future for the people living there with right wing rhetoric from Israel - peace is just an imagination.
Not surprised the elite are going to hammer him as any dissension with regards to Israel is simply not tolerated as we all know who controls who. His opinion is widespread among the public not just the affected minority. The way gaza is blockaded, the heavy handed civilian deaths, the atrocious stories and images coming out with families massacred, and that poor chap assasinated by an IDF sniper, and in the long term no future for the people living there with right wing rhetoric from Israel - peace is just an imagination. webshow
  • Score: 59

9:34am Wed 23 Jul 14

MontyLeMar says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
i'dliketosay wrote:
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible.
Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths.
Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.
@Farsley Bantam
"Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them."

The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i'dliketosay[/bold] wrote: I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight[/p][/quote]If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible. Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths. Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.[/p][/quote]@Farsley Bantam "Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them." The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 21

9:37am Wed 23 Jul 14

stupidperson says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews?

"The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?"

Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one.

Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired.

Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.
Please do not tell me use of the German language is now considered to be offensive or racist? Who are you , the 21c neo Ilya Ehrenberg or Gestapo?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews? "The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?" Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one. Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired. Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.[/p][/quote]Please do not tell me use of the German language is now considered to be offensive or racist? Who are you , the 21c neo Ilya Ehrenberg or Gestapo? stupidperson
  • Score: 32

9:39am Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died.
We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story
of how the friends of Israel control the politics.
When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died. We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story of how the friends of Israel control the politics. webshow
  • Score: 49

9:44am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
i'dliketosay wrote:
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible.
Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths.
Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.
@Farsley Bantam
"Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them."

The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket.
Hammas will never win a military conflict against Israel. They have absolutely zero chance of making any strategic gains at all by attacking them. The argument they are 'defending' themselves is nonsense as well. They are not attacking their attackers, they are attacking civillians.
Attempts by Hammas to 'defend' it's self always results in more Palestinian deaths than Israelis which demostrates the futility of their 'policies'.
Stop launching rockets, get round the negotiating table and be prepared to make compromises. That applies to both sides.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i'dliketosay[/bold] wrote: I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight[/p][/quote]If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible. Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths. Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.[/p][/quote]@Farsley Bantam "Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them." The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket.[/p][/quote]Hammas will never win a military conflict against Israel. They have absolutely zero chance of making any strategic gains at all by attacking them. The argument they are 'defending' themselves is nonsense as well. They are not attacking their attackers, they are attacking civillians. Attempts by Hammas to 'defend' it's self always results in more Palestinian deaths than Israelis which demostrates the futility of their 'policies'. Stop launching rockets, get round the negotiating table and be prepared to make compromises. That applies to both sides. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -1

9:44am Wed 23 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

stupidperson wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews? "The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?" Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one. Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired. Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.
Please do not tell me use of the German language is now considered to be offensive or racist? Who are you , the 21c neo Ilya Ehrenberg or Gestapo?
Just wondering why German was used in a tweet. Mr Ward isn't German, he's not talking about anything German related. Why use German?
[quote][p][bold]stupidperson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews? "The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?" Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one. Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired. Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.[/p][/quote]Please do not tell me use of the German language is now considered to be offensive or racist? Who are you , the 21c neo Ilya Ehrenberg or Gestapo?[/p][/quote]Just wondering why German was used in a tweet. Mr Ward isn't German, he's not talking about anything German related. Why use German? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 11

9:48am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

webshow wrote:
When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died.
We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story
of how the friends of Israel control the politics.
The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died. We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story of how the friends of Israel control the politics.[/p][/quote]The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 31

9:48am Wed 23 Jul 14

vax2002 says...

collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
Does this apply to England as well ?
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]Does this apply to England as well ? vax2002
  • Score: 24

9:51am Wed 23 Jul 14

JAtkinson says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews?

"The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?"

Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one.

Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired.

Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.
As I'm sure you're well aware, he was quoting JFK.

I think voicing his ideas on Twitter - in 140 characters - was daft as you can't possibly articulate full, complex thoughts precisely. I don't believe that if David Ward, or any of us born, educated and brought up in this country, would start firing rockets at Israel if we simply moved to Gaza. However, if we were born and raised as Palestinian, we might well take up arms; however, if we (or, indeed, Palestinians) were born and raised in the state of Israel as Israelis, we'd probably join the IDF and fight Palestinians. Reducing this to an accident of birth explains a great deal but excuses nothing and solves nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews? "The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?" Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one. Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired. Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.[/p][/quote]As I'm sure you're well aware, he was quoting JFK. I think voicing his ideas on Twitter - in 140 characters - was daft as you can't possibly articulate full, complex thoughts precisely. I don't believe that if David Ward, or any of us born, educated and brought up in this country, would start firing rockets at Israel if we simply moved to Gaza. However, if we were born and raised as Palestinian, we might well take up arms; however, if we (or, indeed, Palestinians) were born and raised in the state of Israel as Israelis, we'd probably join the IDF and fight Palestinians. Reducing this to an accident of birth explains a great deal but excuses nothing and solves nothing. JAtkinson
  • Score: 4

9:52am Wed 23 Jul 14

collos25 says...

Not England or the UK Tony Blair saw to that I am glad I left
Not England or the UK Tony Blair saw to that I am glad I left collos25
  • Score: -9

9:55am Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died.
We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story
of how the friends of Israel control the politics.
The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.
No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died. We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story of how the friends of Israel control the politics.[/p][/quote]The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.[/p][/quote]No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid. webshow
  • Score: 4

9:55am Wed 23 Jul 14

BD16 says...

collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
Have you intentionally set out to create a metaphor for the UK?
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]Have you intentionally set out to create a metaphor for the UK? BD16
  • Score: 10

9:56am Wed 23 Jul 14

collos25 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then?
Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.
Democracy has not worked in Palestine I refer back to my original statement anybody who calls themselves Isreali is an illegal immigrant and should be deported to their original land only then will you have some sort of peace in the middle east.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then? Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.[/p][/quote]Democracy has not worked in Palestine I refer back to my original statement anybody who calls themselves Isreali is an illegal immigrant and should be deported to their original land only then will you have some sort of peace in the middle east. collos25
  • Score: 5

10:04am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

collos25 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then?
Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.
Democracy has not worked in Palestine I refer back to my original statement anybody who calls themselves Isreali is an illegal immigrant and should be deported to their original land only then will you have some sort of peace in the middle east.
What about the millions born in Israel? Where is their original land?
And if you think that would bring peace to the Middle East you are very much mistaken. The place is full of hot headed bearded nut jobs that have been fighting for centuries for one reason or another and will continue to do so.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then? Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.[/p][/quote]Democracy has not worked in Palestine I refer back to my original statement anybody who calls themselves Isreali is an illegal immigrant and should be deported to their original land only then will you have some sort of peace in the middle east.[/p][/quote]What about the millions born in Israel? Where is their original land? And if you think that would bring peace to the Middle East you are very much mistaken. The place is full of hot headed bearded nut jobs that have been fighting for centuries for one reason or another and will continue to do so. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 14

10:08am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

webshow wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died.
We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story
of how the friends of Israel control the politics.
The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.
No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid.
We would do whatever it took to protect our citizens. If it meant bombing hospitals that were being used to hide or launch rockets I would hope that we would do it.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died. We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story of how the friends of Israel control the politics.[/p][/quote]The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.[/p][/quote]No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid.[/p][/quote]We would do whatever it took to protect our citizens. If it meant bombing hospitals that were being used to hide or launch rockets I would hope that we would do it. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -4

10:12am Wed 23 Jul 14

MontyLeMar says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
i'dliketosay wrote:
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible.
Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths.
Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.
@Farsley Bantam
"Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them."

The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket.
Hammas will never win a military conflict against Israel. They have absolutely zero chance of making any strategic gains at all by attacking them. The argument they are 'defending' themselves is nonsense as well. They are not attacking their attackers, they are attacking civillians.
Attempts by Hammas to 'defend' it's self always results in more Palestinian deaths than Israelis which demostrates the futility of their 'policies'.
Stop launching rockets, get round the negotiating table and be prepared to make compromises. That applies to both sides.
I agree. Militarily Hamas has no chance against the IDF. The Hamas strategy is to weaken the resolve of the Israeli citizens. When the body bags start piling up the voters will be looking at Netanyahu and wondering if he is doing a good job leading them into perpetual war against the Palistinians - 5 million people. They might vote him out and get a more conciliatory person in charge. That's democracy, it's what Hamas is banking on to get things changed. Then we may get negotiations. Netanyahu is considered very right wing by many and is kept in power by extreme right Zionists. He will never negotiate, it will take a change of government in Israel for that to happen. Don't forget, Gaza has been under a sea and land blockade for 3 years. I think a few of them have had enough.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i'dliketosay[/bold] wrote: I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight[/p][/quote]If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible. Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths. Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.[/p][/quote]@Farsley Bantam "Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them." The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket.[/p][/quote]Hammas will never win a military conflict against Israel. They have absolutely zero chance of making any strategic gains at all by attacking them. The argument they are 'defending' themselves is nonsense as well. They are not attacking their attackers, they are attacking civillians. Attempts by Hammas to 'defend' it's self always results in more Palestinian deaths than Israelis which demostrates the futility of their 'policies'. Stop launching rockets, get round the negotiating table and be prepared to make compromises. That applies to both sides.[/p][/quote]I agree. Militarily Hamas has no chance against the IDF. The Hamas strategy is to weaken the resolve of the Israeli citizens. When the body bags start piling up the voters will be looking at Netanyahu and wondering if he is doing a good job leading them into perpetual war against the Palistinians - 5 million people. They might vote him out and get a more conciliatory person in charge. That's democracy, it's what Hamas is banking on to get things changed. Then we may get negotiations. Netanyahu is considered very right wing by many and is kept in power by extreme right Zionists. He will never negotiate, it will take a change of government in Israel for that to happen. Don't forget, Gaza has been under a sea and land blockade for 3 years. I think a few of them have had enough. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 38

10:20am Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died.
We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story
of how the friends of Israel control the politics.
The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.
No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid.
We would do whatever it took to protect our citizens. If it meant bombing hospitals that were being used to hide or launch rockets I would hope that we would do it.
The rockets you are talking about are toy rockets. Very basic and from the BBC reportage HAMAS was not using the hospital that was bombed.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died. We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story of how the friends of Israel control the politics.[/p][/quote]The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.[/p][/quote]No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid.[/p][/quote]We would do whatever it took to protect our citizens. If it meant bombing hospitals that were being used to hide or launch rockets I would hope that we would do it.[/p][/quote]The rockets you are talking about are toy rockets. Very basic and from the BBC reportage HAMAS was not using the hospital that was bombed. webshow
  • Score: 6

10:21am Wed 23 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

Being in sunny Devon at the minute I wasn't going to comment, but having read what Mr Ward has said, this just embellishes the thought that he's just thick. Another stupid comment from someone with a track record of making stupid comments. How sad that he represents Bradford as an MP and also supports BCFC.
Being in sunny Devon at the minute I wasn't going to comment, but having read what Mr Ward has said, this just embellishes the thought that he's just thick. Another stupid comment from someone with a track record of making stupid comments. How sad that he represents Bradford as an MP and also supports BCFC. bcfc1903
  • Score: -28

10:24am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
i'dliketosay wrote:
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible.
Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths.
Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.
@Farsley Bantam
"Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them."

The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket.
Hammas will never win a military conflict against Israel. They have absolutely zero chance of making any strategic gains at all by attacking them. The argument they are 'defending' themselves is nonsense as well. They are not attacking their attackers, they are attacking civillians.
Attempts by Hammas to 'defend' it's self always results in more Palestinian deaths than Israelis which demostrates the futility of their 'policies'.
Stop launching rockets, get round the negotiating table and be prepared to make compromises. That applies to both sides.
I agree. Militarily Hamas has no chance against the IDF. The Hamas strategy is to weaken the resolve of the Israeli citizens. When the body bags start piling up the voters will be looking at Netanyahu and wondering if he is doing a good job leading them into perpetual war against the Palistinians - 5 million people. They might vote him out and get a more conciliatory person in charge. That's democracy, it's what Hamas is banking on to get things changed. Then we may get negotiations. Netanyahu is considered very right wing by many and is kept in power by extreme right Zionists. He will never negotiate, it will take a change of government in Israel for that to happen. Don't forget, Gaza has been under a sea and land blockade for 3 years. I think a few of them have had enough.
I just can't see that tactic working. They will not kill enough Israelis to weaken their collective resolve. The Iron Dome has largely seen to that.
Hammas need to take the moral high ground and demilitarize itself. That is a huge compromise straight away and would lead the way to negotiations. If they want peace as they say they do then this is surely the best tactic?
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i'dliketosay[/bold] wrote: I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight[/p][/quote]If only Hammas would stop launching rockets into Israel then the deaths would stop. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome the Israel deaths would be far greater. Hammas fire thousands of rockets into Israel indescriminately with the sole intention of killing as many civillians as possible. Israel specifically target Hammas millitia but unfortunately they like to hide in civillian locations and use women and children as human shields. As horrible as the 'attrocities' are the alternative would be to give Hammas a free pass to use schools, hospitals etc as a launch site which would result in many Israel deaths. Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them.[/p][/quote]@Farsley Bantam "Unlike Hammas Israel cares abouts its citizens and does all it can to protect them." The difference is Gaza is a prison and Hamas has been elected because they seem to represent the only hope for breaking out of that prison. O.K. through riot and insurrection and other nasty weapons but what would you do if you were unfairly locked up? Israel is a UN recognised nation state and rightly protects its citizens, what national government wouldn't, but the UN does not recognise Gaza. I see Israel is very upset this morning that the FAA has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv and all Israel says is that the incoming rockets from Gaza pose no risk to aircraft. They seem more worried about showing they are a nation state open for business than the risk of 300 passengers being hit by a stray rocket.[/p][/quote]Hammas will never win a military conflict against Israel. They have absolutely zero chance of making any strategic gains at all by attacking them. The argument they are 'defending' themselves is nonsense as well. They are not attacking their attackers, they are attacking civillians. Attempts by Hammas to 'defend' it's self always results in more Palestinian deaths than Israelis which demostrates the futility of their 'policies'. Stop launching rockets, get round the negotiating table and be prepared to make compromises. That applies to both sides.[/p][/quote]I agree. Militarily Hamas has no chance against the IDF. The Hamas strategy is to weaken the resolve of the Israeli citizens. When the body bags start piling up the voters will be looking at Netanyahu and wondering if he is doing a good job leading them into perpetual war against the Palistinians - 5 million people. They might vote him out and get a more conciliatory person in charge. That's democracy, it's what Hamas is banking on to get things changed. Then we may get negotiations. Netanyahu is considered very right wing by many and is kept in power by extreme right Zionists. He will never negotiate, it will take a change of government in Israel for that to happen. Don't forget, Gaza has been under a sea and land blockade for 3 years. I think a few of them have had enough.[/p][/quote]I just can't see that tactic working. They will not kill enough Israelis to weaken their collective resolve. The Iron Dome has largely seen to that. Hammas need to take the moral high ground and demilitarize itself. That is a huge compromise straight away and would lead the way to negotiations. If they want peace as they say they do then this is surely the best tactic? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 8

10:29am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

webshow wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died.
We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story
of how the friends of Israel control the politics.
The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.
No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid.
We would do whatever it took to protect our citizens. If it meant bombing hospitals that were being used to hide or launch rockets I would hope that we would do it.
The rockets you are talking about are toy rockets. Very basic and from the BBC reportage HAMAS was not using the hospital that was bombed.
'Toy rockets' that can quite easily kill many people if they are successful. Israel has significantly better weaponry and better defence. Your comment almost suggests that they should play fair and let Hammas have a few free shots at killing Israelis because their weapons aren't as good.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died. We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story of how the friends of Israel control the politics.[/p][/quote]The IRA argument is nonsense. The IRA planted bombs. If the IRA were launching thousands of rockets from Belfast at civilian targets on the mainland I'm pretty sure we'd be doing whatever it took to stop them.[/p][/quote]No we would not be indiscriminately killing people or using snipers to shoot civilians. We also would not be using flek bombs with nails or tanks to pulverise homes with people inside. We certainly also would not be using laser guided bombs to pulverise homes with families inside or targeting hospitals with heavy shell bombing. No you are wrong there & the IRA argument is valid.[/p][/quote]We would do whatever it took to protect our citizens. If it meant bombing hospitals that were being used to hide or launch rockets I would hope that we would do it.[/p][/quote]The rockets you are talking about are toy rockets. Very basic and from the BBC reportage HAMAS was not using the hospital that was bombed.[/p][/quote]'Toy rockets' that can quite easily kill many people if they are successful. Israel has significantly better weaponry and better defence. Your comment almost suggests that they should play fair and let Hammas have a few free shots at killing Israelis because their weapons aren't as good. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 12

10:30am Wed 23 Jul 14

Albion. says...

I don't think this should turn into a heated debate about the rights and wrongs of the Middle East, as others have suggested, if Ward had a constituency with a very large Jewish population, I'm confident that any statements from him on this matter, would be quite different. He's probably done his potential at the next election a power of good.
I don't think this should turn into a heated debate about the rights and wrongs of the Middle East, as others have suggested, if Ward had a constituency with a very large Jewish population, I'm confident that any statements from him on this matter, would be quite different. He's probably done his potential at the next election a power of good. Albion.
  • Score: 26

10:34am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

All the comments gone I see. No room for debate on the T&A then.
All the comments gone I see. No room for debate on the T&A then. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -1

10:35am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
All the comments gone I see. No room for debate on the T&A then.
Ignore that.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: All the comments gone I see. No room for debate on the T&A then.[/p][/quote]Ignore that. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 4

10:36am Wed 23 Jul 14

cornishtyke says...

Mr Ward should spend a little more time sorting the gangs of feral youths who make the lives of his voting constituents a misery instead of attempting to “buy” votes by making statements designed to gain favour
Mr Ward should spend a little more time sorting the gangs of feral youths who make the lives of his voting constituents a misery instead of attempting to “buy” votes by making statements designed to gain favour cornishtyke
  • Score: 18

10:46am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Albion. wrote:
I don't think this should turn into a heated debate about the rights and wrongs of the Middle East, as others have suggested, if Ward had a constituency with a very large Jewish population, I'm confident that any statements from him on this matter, would be quite different. He's probably done his potential at the next election a power of good.
Your right ofcourse. Whether you agree with his sentiments or not he should not be inciting murder to score cheap political points with a section of his constituents.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: I don't think this should turn into a heated debate about the rights and wrongs of the Middle East, as others have suggested, if Ward had a constituency with a very large Jewish population, I'm confident that any statements from him on this matter, would be quite different. He's probably done his potential at the next election a power of good.[/p][/quote]Your right ofcourse. Whether you agree with his sentiments or not he should not be inciting murder to score cheap political points with a section of his constituents. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 10

10:49am Wed 23 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Ward knows the only chance he's got of getting re-elected is with the Muslim vote.

And the only way he gets that is by being anti Israel, pro Hamas.

He is a disgrace as a politician. Like most of them.

Just look at Galloway, who has made a lifetime career out of supporting terrorists and hating Jews. And got very rich in the process.

And as for the latest round in the Israel/Palestine conflict? Place your bets kids. My money's on Israel. They win - as always - because they are smart and rational and don't want to drag the world back to the 13th century and kill anyone who disagrees with them. Hamas wants to destroy Israel and kill every Jew on the planet. And then start on the rest of us. All the best to Israel and their right to self defence.

The Palestinians never lose an opportunity - to lose an opportunity. They are the architects of their own misery and represent a terrorist ideology. And their big problems is - they are terminally, hopelessly dumb. If they had any intelligence they would not be in their self inflicted mess.

If anyone wants to side with a culture that wants to kill you because you are not of their faith - serves you right. Get out there and fight with Hamas and put your money where your mouth is.
Ward knows the only chance he's got of getting re-elected is with the Muslim vote. And the only way he gets that is by being anti Israel, pro Hamas. He is a disgrace as a politician. Like most of them. Just look at Galloway, who has made a lifetime career out of supporting terrorists and hating Jews. And got very rich in the process. And as for the latest round in the Israel/Palestine conflict? Place your bets kids. My money's on Israel. They win - as always - because they are smart and rational and don't want to drag the world back to the 13th century and kill anyone who disagrees with them. Hamas wants to destroy Israel and kill every Jew on the planet. And then start on the rest of us. All the best to Israel and their right to self defence. The Palestinians never lose an opportunity - to lose an opportunity. They are the architects of their own misery and represent a terrorist ideology. And their big problems is - they are terminally, hopelessly dumb. If they had any intelligence they would not be in their self inflicted mess. If anyone wants to side with a culture that wants to kill you because you are not of their faith - serves you right. Get out there and fight with Hamas and put your money where your mouth is. idf fanclub
  • Score: -8

11:07am Wed 23 Jul 14

taleoftruth says...

An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind
An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind taleoftruth
  • Score: 8

11:21am Wed 23 Jul 14

BertSanders says...

I was there in 1948 - I watched ships almost sinking with the weight of refugeees. It was a desert and Israel is now a dominent country. They have made it that way with some help from the USA Hamas must stop the rockets - they cannot win - and should accept the good offices of the UN.
which must stop the expansion of Israel. This sort of conflict may well happen elsewhere I fear. I hear you say Israel does not accept edicts from the UN but the talking must start before many more lives are lost.
I was there in 1948 - I watched ships almost sinking with the weight of refugeees. It was a desert and Israel is now a dominent country. They have made it that way with some help from the USA Hamas must stop the rockets - they cannot win - and should accept the good offices of the UN. which must stop the expansion of Israel. This sort of conflict may well happen elsewhere I fear. I hear you say Israel does not accept edicts from the UN but the talking must start before many more lives are lost. BertSanders
  • Score: 22

11:30am Wed 23 Jul 14

Meeshell says...

I do not think bombings or fighting is the answer, but I do think people have a right to 'freedom of speech', this includes MPs. Perhaps a very bad choice of words to express what was meant, perhaps not; only Mr Ward knows for certain. I think perhaps he meant..... 'Say no to wars/bombings but do try to understand the people and why they may feel so desperate to do these things'. However, understanding their frustrations is likely no excuse for violent behaviour of any description.
I do not think bombings or fighting is the answer, but I do think people have a right to 'freedom of speech', this includes MPs. Perhaps a very bad choice of words to express what was meant, perhaps not; only Mr Ward knows for certain. I think perhaps he meant..... 'Say no to wars/bombings but do try to understand the people and why they may feel so desperate to do these things'. However, understanding their frustrations is likely no excuse for violent behaviour of any description. Meeshell
  • Score: 7

11:44am Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Meeshell wrote:
I do not think bombings or fighting is the answer, but I do think people have a right to 'freedom of speech', this includes MPs. Perhaps a very bad choice of words to express what was meant, perhaps not; only Mr Ward knows for certain. I think perhaps he meant..... 'Say no to wars/bombings but do try to understand the people and why they may feel so desperate to do these things'. However, understanding their frustrations is likely no excuse for violent behaviour of any description.
I'm not sure he did mean it as you said. He's got a bit of previous on this subject. He was suspended last time for his anti-Israel comments. You'd think he's have learnt his lesson and would think twice about posting comments on this sensitive subject. Or perhaps he knew exactly what he was doing and that his views would curry favour with a section of the electorate?
[quote][p][bold]Meeshell[/bold] wrote: I do not think bombings or fighting is the answer, but I do think people have a right to 'freedom of speech', this includes MPs. Perhaps a very bad choice of words to express what was meant, perhaps not; only Mr Ward knows for certain. I think perhaps he meant..... 'Say no to wars/bombings but do try to understand the people and why they may feel so desperate to do these things'. However, understanding their frustrations is likely no excuse for violent behaviour of any description.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure he did mean it as you said. He's got a bit of previous on this subject. He was suspended last time for his anti-Israel comments. You'd think he's have learnt his lesson and would think twice about posting comments on this sensitive subject. Or perhaps he knew exactly what he was doing and that his views would curry favour with a section of the electorate? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

11:54am Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Why can't people understand Hamas came in 2006 , they got elected , Israel has been terrorising Palestinians for 60 years before that, Hamas is the perfect enemy for Israel, but the playing on 'Hamas is firing rockets' whilst committing atrocities like dropping white phospheros in densely populated areas is shameful and a war crime and supporting a zionist cult that has the blood of so many on it's hands is just as shameful, in years to come people will look at Palestine in the same way we now look at events such as apartheid, Bosnia and even the holocaust. And the ones supporting it now well I suppose if it's still in your lifetime you will be denouncing it then. And you call wards comment as inciting murder well Cameron's been inciting a lot more murder, when he's been defending israels actions,
Why can't people understand Hamas came in 2006 , they got elected , Israel has been terrorising Palestinians for 60 years before that, Hamas is the perfect enemy for Israel, but the playing on 'Hamas is firing rockets' whilst committing atrocities like dropping white phospheros in densely populated areas is shameful and a war crime and supporting a zionist cult that has the blood of so many on it's hands is just as shameful, in years to come people will look at Palestine in the same way we now look at events such as apartheid, Bosnia and even the holocaust. And the ones supporting it now well I suppose if it's still in your lifetime you will be denouncing it then. And you call wards comment as inciting murder well Cameron's been inciting a lot more murder, when he's been defending israels actions, thedealsealer
  • Score: 36

11:56am Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks?

And of which approx. 80& have been civilians?
No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks? And of which approx. 80& have been civilians? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 30

12:03pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks?

And of which approx. 80& have been civilians?
They are defending themselves from rocket attacks. Hammas (the only 'terrorist scum' in the conflict) like to hide in civilian areas and use women and kids as human shields. I fully condemn Hammas' actions.
Do you condemn the Hammas rocket attacks that specifically target civillians? Admittedly they don't kill many but thats not through lack of trying.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks? And of which approx. 80& have been civilians?[/p][/quote]They are defending themselves from rocket attacks. Hammas (the only 'terrorist scum' in the conflict) like to hide in civilian areas and use women and kids as human shields. I fully condemn Hammas' actions. Do you condemn the Hammas rocket attacks that specifically target civillians? Admittedly they don't kill many but thats not through lack of trying. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -14

12:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks?

And of which approx. 80& have been civilians?
They are defending themselves from rocket attacks. Hammas (the only 'terrorist scum' in the conflict) like to hide in civilian areas and use women and kids as human shields. I fully condemn Hammas' actions.
Do you condemn the Hammas rocket attacks that specifically target civillians? Admittedly they don't kill many but thats not through lack of trying.
Can you explain to us why Israel bombed a hospital on Monday ? - and why they killed 4 boys playing football on a beach last week?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks? And of which approx. 80& have been civilians?[/p][/quote]They are defending themselves from rocket attacks. Hammas (the only 'terrorist scum' in the conflict) like to hide in civilian areas and use women and kids as human shields. I fully condemn Hammas' actions. Do you condemn the Hammas rocket attacks that specifically target civillians? Admittedly they don't kill many but thats not through lack of trying.[/p][/quote]Can you explain to us why Israel bombed a hospital on Monday ? - and why they killed 4 boys playing football on a beach last week? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 30

12:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Honestly you got to realise the extent of zionist playing of the media and peoples minds to truly know how evil they are, you think they want peace, they don't, Hamas is just another convenient excuse, they've been doing this a long time before Hamas was around, this conflict didn't start with Hamas firing rockets! Trust me on that, it started with kicking out Palestinian from there homes that they lived in for centuries and ripping down there olive farms and making them refugees, and if that wasn't enough the Palestinians left in the small parts of Palestine left were and still are literally treated as second class citizens, this is not lies and propaganda it's facts, it's an absolute injustice that this is not reported in mainstream media due to zionists having such control over mainstream media, come on people put the pre installed bias that 'Muslims are terrorists' and 'Israel is a western aligned nation and the west is always right' to one side and look at the facts, please it's a no brainier, you can talk about not taking sides and diplomacy is the best way, but diplomacy doesn't and hasn't worked with Israel because there demands are ridiculous, they want it all, all the land and all Palestinians out.
Honestly you got to realise the extent of zionist playing of the media and peoples minds to truly know how evil they are, you think they want peace, they don't, Hamas is just another convenient excuse, they've been doing this a long time before Hamas was around, this conflict didn't start with Hamas firing rockets! Trust me on that, it started with kicking out Palestinian from there homes that they lived in for centuries and ripping down there olive farms and making them refugees, and if that wasn't enough the Palestinians left in the small parts of Palestine left were and still are literally treated as second class citizens, this is not lies and propaganda it's facts, it's an absolute injustice that this is not reported in mainstream media due to zionists having such control over mainstream media, come on people put the pre installed bias that 'Muslims are terrorists' and 'Israel is a western aligned nation and the west is always right' to one side and look at the facts, please it's a no brainier, you can talk about not taking sides and diplomacy is the best way, but diplomacy doesn't and hasn't worked with Israel because there demands are ridiculous, they want it all, all the land and all Palestinians out. thedealsealer
  • Score: 27

12:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court!
I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court! neil007
  • Score: 26

12:10pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mrbritton says...

If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem. mrbritton
  • Score: -6

12:10pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.
Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them. webshow
  • Score: 31

12:11pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different. webshow
  • Score: 27

12:12pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

I never thought I would agree with a LibDem. All their policies are wrong and they back turn on all the important matters But this one is right.
I never thought I would agree with a LibDem. All their policies are wrong and they back turn on all the important matters But this one is right. webshow
  • Score: 27

12:14pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Kenny85 says...

@farsleybantam
@idf fanclub

Some points to your arguments

The geo political history of the area is far more complicated then what you have read and seen on BBC. You need to read and understand the issues before judging it.

The US and Israel are waging a war of economic and military dominance in the region. This is why the Arab spring occurred and Gaza blockade continue even after the 'withdrawal' by Israel in 2006

Hamas is democratically elected, it has a right to defend its people against occupation and aggression. As conveyed in international law.

Israel has a right to defend it self according to international law but with reasonable force. Using banned weapons (phosphorous and DIME) is not legal. Israel plays the victim but the aggressor and conducts killings and operations even when Hamas is has not fired any rockets. As such These are war crimes

any human would deplore the violence from both sides. It will not solve anything.

The message from the MP is clear. Under that much pain and suffering what would you do?

God help us all
@farsleybantam @idf fanclub Some points to your arguments The geo political history of the area is far more complicated then what you have read and seen on BBC. You need to read and understand the issues before judging it. The US and Israel are waging a war of economic and military dominance in the region. This is why the Arab spring occurred and Gaza blockade continue even after the 'withdrawal' by Israel in 2006 Hamas is democratically elected, it has a right to defend its people against occupation and aggression. As conveyed in international law. Israel has a right to defend it self according to international law but with reasonable force. Using banned weapons (phosphorous and DIME) is not legal. Israel plays the victim but the aggressor and conducts killings and operations even when Hamas is has not fired any rockets. As such These are war crimes any human would deplore the violence from both sides. It will not solve anything. The message from the MP is clear. Under that much pain and suffering what would you do? God help us all Kenny85
  • Score: 40

12:15pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

mrbritton wrote:
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
Israel doesn't want a ceasefire:

http://www.jpost.com
/Operation-Protectiv
e-Edge/Livni-No-real
-option-for-cease-fi
re-now-368434
[quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.[/p][/quote]Israel doesn't want a ceasefire: http://www.jpost.com /Operation-Protectiv e-Edge/Livni-No-real -option-for-cease-fi re-now-368434 Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 14

12:18pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

I'll give you a perfect example of how zionist play with minds, and how they churn out excuse after excuse,

In South Africa they changed the law so that Israeli products produced in the occupied West Bank had to state that they were from the occupied West Bank, rather than just stating produced in Israel, this was in order for people wishing to boycott products from the illegally occupied land could do so, Israel's shameful and disgusting response from their foreign minister was that South African government was discriminating against Jews, so according to zionist logic to tell the truth is discriminating against the Jews. The zionists have hijacked the peaceful religion of Judaism, Jews denounce Zionism and the state of Israel all over the world, yet we have brainwashed folk here who fall for the zionist medias lies and propaganda. All Whilst children ( 160 under the age of 17) killed in two weeks of terrorism. AND YES I KNOW HAMAS WAS FIRING ROCKETS that Israel can more than adequately defend itself from using iron dome.
I'll give you a perfect example of how zionist play with minds, and how they churn out excuse after excuse, In South Africa they changed the law so that Israeli products produced in the occupied West Bank had to state that they were from the occupied West Bank, rather than just stating produced in Israel, this was in order for people wishing to boycott products from the illegally occupied land could do so, Israel's shameful and disgusting response from their foreign minister was that South African government was discriminating against Jews, so according to zionist logic to tell the truth is discriminating against the Jews. The zionists have hijacked the peaceful religion of Judaism, Jews denounce Zionism and the state of Israel all over the world, yet we have brainwashed folk here who fall for the zionist medias lies and propaganda. All Whilst children ( 160 under the age of 17) killed in two weeks of terrorism. AND YES I KNOW HAMAS WAS FIRING ROCKETS that Israel can more than adequately defend itself from using iron dome. thedealsealer
  • Score: 19

12:25pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mrbritton says...

webshow wrote:
When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died.
We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story
of how the friends of Israel control the politics.
Wow. You really think that English soilders didn't bounce rubber bullets into kids faces or open fire with baton rounds and tear gas on crowds then you really need to stop reading the news. The difference between Ireland and Palestine is massive. The IRA that you saw on TV were just kids with bricks and petrol bombs fighting soilders with baton rounds, tear gas and water cannons. If those kids with bricks had high power rifles or RPG's the English would have cut them down like garden weeds. I think you should have a chat with some 45 - 55 year old service men.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: When the IRA troubles were happening here we never killed children or civilians. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said that, as of Tuesday morning, 149 children had been killed, compared with 87 confirmed members of armed groups. Even including unconfirmed combatant deaths, more children would still have died. We should have a petition to save David Ward. telling the truth should be rewarded not condemned. I would like to hear David Ward's inside story of how the friends of Israel control the politics.[/p][/quote]Wow. You really think that English soilders didn't bounce rubber bullets into kids faces or open fire with baton rounds and tear gas on crowds then you really need to stop reading the news. The difference between Ireland and Palestine is massive. The IRA that you saw on TV were just kids with bricks and petrol bombs fighting soilders with baton rounds, tear gas and water cannons. If those kids with bricks had high power rifles or RPG's the English would have cut them down like garden weeds. I think you should have a chat with some 45 - 55 year old service men. mrbritton
  • Score: -12

12:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

mrbritton wrote:
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors!

To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?
[quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.[/p][/quote]You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors! To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire? neil007
  • Score: 7

12:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

webshow wrote:
Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.
He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.[/p][/quote]He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 6

12:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mrbritton says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
mrbritton wrote:
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
Israel doesn't want a ceasefire:

http://www.jpost.com

/Operation-Protectiv

e-Edge/Livni-No-real

-option-for-cease-fi

re-now-368434
Nor does Hamas its no use pointing to web sites any one can write a blog or post a message hamas clearly say it on tv
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.[/p][/quote]Israel doesn't want a ceasefire: http://www.jpost.com /Operation-Protectiv e-Edge/Livni-No-real -option-for-cease-fi re-now-368434[/p][/quote]Nor does Hamas its no use pointing to web sites any one can write a blog or post a message hamas clearly say it on tv mrbritton
  • Score: 4

12:35pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -5

12:38pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

@mr Britton you see there you lot go again pulling out stuff with out relevant background info, you talk about Egypt being shoulder to shoulder wrong Mubarak regime the first muslim country to make peace with Israel and became an ally of Israel, hence why he prospered as an evil dictator for 40 years because if you never realised the dictators who are pro American never have the same issues as the one who speak out against America, FACT. Any way as collateral damage for America during the Arab spring Mubarak was overthrown and morsi got elected in, he opened the border crossing straight away, so how did Americans clean up this bit of collateral damage, they conspired with some pro Mubarak loyalists, staged another uprising got rid of a democratically elected leader and his party, death sentenced most of them within weeks, got another American puppet 'sisi' in, who life sentenced some journalists (including western journalists) as well as commiting other atrocities. And what was his first act?? To close the border, hmmm the lengths America will go to keep things ticking in the Middle East, it really does amaze me how so many of you don't see the truth, it's not hard if you let your mind be free of the pre installed bias you have in your head. And I know going against Israel May seem like were going against ourselves because we live in the western world with many privileges, and it's a western world which is a staunch supporter of israel, it's kind of like being in denial, but you got to know what's right and wrong.
@mr Britton you see there you lot go again pulling out stuff with out relevant background info, you talk about Egypt being shoulder to shoulder wrong Mubarak regime the first muslim country to make peace with Israel and became an ally of Israel, hence why he prospered as an evil dictator for 40 years because if you never realised the dictators who are pro American never have the same issues as the one who speak out against America, FACT. Any way as collateral damage for America during the Arab spring Mubarak was overthrown and morsi got elected in, he opened the border crossing straight away, so how did Americans clean up this bit of collateral damage, they conspired with some pro Mubarak loyalists, staged another uprising got rid of a democratically elected leader and his party, death sentenced most of them within weeks, got another American puppet 'sisi' in, who life sentenced some journalists (including western journalists) as well as commiting other atrocities. And what was his first act?? To close the border, hmmm the lengths America will go to keep things ticking in the Middle East, it really does amaze me how so many of you don't see the truth, it's not hard if you let your mind be free of the pre installed bias you have in your head. And I know going against Israel May seem like were going against ourselves because we live in the western world with many privileges, and it's a western world which is a staunch supporter of israel, it's kind of like being in denial, but you got to know what's right and wrong. thedealsealer
  • Score: 6

12:39pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.
He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks.
He is a brave gentleman to make such a comment, why shouldn't he support the rocket attacks? The murderous enemy are firing bombs, missiles and weapons that are banned by the UN, all targeting innocent civilians, mainly woman and children, did you see the slaughter of the kids on Gaza beach few days ago by these Israeli thugs? If they were your kids and there was no justice in the world, how would you retaliate?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.[/p][/quote]He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks.[/p][/quote]He is a brave gentleman to make such a comment, why shouldn't he support the rocket attacks? The murderous enemy are firing bombs, missiles and weapons that are banned by the UN, all targeting innocent civilians, mainly woman and children, did you see the slaughter of the kids on Gaza beach few days ago by these Israeli thugs? If they were your kids and there was no justice in the world, how would you retaliate? neil007
  • Score: 10

12:46pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andr3wKay says...

collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
By your reasoning, the USA should give the land back to the Indians whom they took it off.
Get real, kid.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]By your reasoning, the USA should give the land back to the Indians whom they took it off. Get real, kid. Andr3wKay
  • Score: -2

12:52pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Saltaire Bantam says...

I bet he would also put his kids next to missile launching sites and use them as human shields. He is just representing the people who vote for him.
I bet he would also put his kids next to missile launching sites and use them as human shields. He is just representing the people who vote for him. Saltaire Bantam
  • Score: -7

12:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

@farsely bantam honestly mate you don't know what your on about, you are chatting complete nonsense , the fact you said the area is full of 'bearded nut jobs' proves you've got islamaphobia and you not arguing rationally, there is an apparent bias, put that to one side put the Hamas firing rockets what's your explanation to all the other atrocities?? Tell me about jenin in 2002?? Tell me about the massacre of 1000s of Palestinian refugees in South lebenon by Christian militia who were armed and ordered by Israel, tell me about the 1200 killed in lebenon in 2006, no rockets there mate!!!! Proper deluded man, and you say the Muslims been fighting for centuries there, well for your information Muslims Jews and Christians been living in peace and harmony as neighbours under muslim rule there for centuries. Go learn about the issue from somewhere other than bbc sky n itn,
@farsely bantam honestly mate you don't know what your on about, you are chatting complete nonsense , the fact you said the area is full of 'bearded nut jobs' proves you've got islamaphobia and you not arguing rationally, there is an apparent bias, put that to one side put the Hamas firing rockets what's your explanation to all the other atrocities?? Tell me about jenin in 2002?? Tell me about the massacre of 1000s of Palestinian refugees in South lebenon by Christian militia who were armed and ordered by Israel, tell me about the 1200 killed in lebenon in 2006, no rockets there mate!!!! Proper deluded man, and you say the Muslims been fighting for centuries there, well for your information Muslims Jews and Christians been living in peace and harmony as neighbours under muslim rule there for centuries. Go learn about the issue from somewhere other than bbc sky n itn, thedealsealer
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.
He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks.
He is a brave gentleman to make such a comment, why shouldn't he support the rocket attacks? The murderous enemy are firing bombs, missiles and weapons that are banned by the UN, all targeting innocent civilians, mainly woman and children, did you see the slaughter of the kids on Gaza beach few days ago by these Israeli thugs? If they were your kids and there was no justice in the world, how would you retaliate?
Because he shoudn't support deliberate attempts to kill innocent civillians. He may sympathize with their cause but he should not propose bombing Israeli towns as a solution.
Israel are not targeting civillians.
Easy for me to say having had no one killed but Hammas need to lay down their weapons, respect the ceasefires and take the moral high ground. Difficult for them to do that a present.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.[/p][/quote]He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks.[/p][/quote]He is a brave gentleman to make such a comment, why shouldn't he support the rocket attacks? The murderous enemy are firing bombs, missiles and weapons that are banned by the UN, all targeting innocent civilians, mainly woman and children, did you see the slaughter of the kids on Gaza beach few days ago by these Israeli thugs? If they were your kids and there was no justice in the world, how would you retaliate?[/p][/quote]Because he shoudn't support deliberate attempts to kill innocent civillians. He may sympathize with their cause but he should not propose bombing Israeli towns as a solution. Israel are not targeting civillians. Easy for me to say having had no one killed but Hammas need to lay down their weapons, respect the ceasefires and take the moral high ground. Difficult for them to do that a present. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

12:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel! neil007
  • Score: 7

1:01pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
I bet he would also put his kids next to missile launching sites and use them as human shields. He is just representing the people who vote for him.
I'm sure representing the people who vote for him is his job, what planet you from you muppet
[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: I bet he would also put his kids next to missile launching sites and use them as human shields. He is just representing the people who vote for him.[/p][/quote]I'm sure representing the people who vote for him is his job, what planet you from you muppet thedealsealer
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Wed 23 Jul 14

monobrow man says...

If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)
If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing) monobrow man
  • Score: -6

1:03pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.
He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks.
He is a brave gentleman to make such a comment, why shouldn't he support the rocket attacks? The murderous enemy are firing bombs, missiles and weapons that are banned by the UN, all targeting innocent civilians, mainly woman and children, did you see the slaughter of the kids on Gaza beach few days ago by these Israeli thugs? If they were your kids and there was no justice in the world, how would you retaliate?
Because he shoudn't support deliberate attempts to kill innocent civillians. He may sympathize with their cause but he should not propose bombing Israeli towns as a solution.
Israel are not targeting civillians.
Easy for me to say having had no one killed but Hammas need to lay down their weapons, respect the ceasefires and take the moral high ground. Difficult for them to do that a present.
Israel not targeting civilians? What an earth are you on about? Are you intoxicated? Or don't you watch or read the news?!!!!! Israel has massacred nearly 700 people and 80% are innocent civilians! It's just been breaking news that the UN human rights chief has warned Israel of war crimes against civilians!!!!! So where have you got that rubbish from?...
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: Why shouldn't he be allowed to speak his mind? There are plenty of MPs who are friends of Israel and support them.[/p][/quote]He can speak his mind without supporting rocket attacks.[/p][/quote]He is a brave gentleman to make such a comment, why shouldn't he support the rocket attacks? The murderous enemy are firing bombs, missiles and weapons that are banned by the UN, all targeting innocent civilians, mainly woman and children, did you see the slaughter of the kids on Gaza beach few days ago by these Israeli thugs? If they were your kids and there was no justice in the world, how would you retaliate?[/p][/quote]Because he shoudn't support deliberate attempts to kill innocent civillians. He may sympathize with their cause but he should not propose bombing Israeli towns as a solution. Israel are not targeting civillians. Easy for me to say having had no one killed but Hammas need to lay down their weapons, respect the ceasefires and take the moral high ground. Difficult for them to do that a present.[/p][/quote]Israel not targeting civilians? What an earth are you on about? Are you intoxicated? Or don't you watch or read the news?!!!!! Israel has massacred nearly 700 people and 80% are innocent civilians! It's just been breaking news that the UN human rights chief has warned Israel of war crimes against civilians!!!!! So where have you got that rubbish from?... neil007
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Israel is a terrorist state!!! Simple!! I salute you David Ward, you'll certainly be getting my vote next year!
Israel is a terrorist state!!! Simple!! I salute you David Ward, you'll certainly be getting my vote next year! thedealsealer
  • Score: 5

1:06pm Wed 23 Jul 14

monobrow man says...

Their nose
Their nose monobrow man
  • Score: 8

1:08pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

monobrow man wrote:
If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)
If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia
ns)
[quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)[/p][/quote]If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia ns) neil007
  • Score: 6

1:13pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

monobrow man wrote:
If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)
What you going to do if someone takes your home and locks you in the garden shed ( Israel taking almost all of palestine, forcing Palestinians to leave Palestine altogether and some went to Gaza Strip, where there has been a blockade for 7 years),

Go on reply to that tell me what your going to do, n remember you haven't got the capability to breaks someone's nose!! You've only got the capability to FLICK THERE NOSE!!!!!

Like I keep saying before you make your weak comments look at the whole picture and if you have a heart and compassion and truly practice the values preached in the west mainly of justice you realise Israel is totally wrong!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)[/p][/quote]What you going to do if someone takes your home and locks you in the garden shed ( Israel taking almost all of palestine, forcing Palestinians to leave Palestine altogether and some went to Gaza Strip, where there has been a blockade for 7 years), Go on reply to that tell me what your going to do, n remember you haven't got the capability to breaks someone's nose!! You've only got the capability to FLICK THERE NOSE!!!!! Like I keep saying before you make your weak comments look at the whole picture and if you have a heart and compassion and truly practice the values preached in the west mainly of justice you realise Israel is totally wrong!!!!!! thedealsealer
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Andr3wKay wrote:
collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
By your reasoning, the USA should give the land back to the Indians whom they took it off.
Get real, kid.
No coz the Indians were wiped out, killed in there millions, there's Hardly any Indians left to claim the land, by your reasoning and by my opinion that's what Israel is trying to do with the palestinians! GO LEARN SOME MORE KID!!
[quote][p][bold]Andr3wKay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]By your reasoning, the USA should give the land back to the Indians whom they took it off. Get real, kid.[/p][/quote]No coz the Indians were wiped out, killed in there millions, there's Hardly any Indians left to claim the land, by your reasoning and by my opinion that's what Israel is trying to do with the palestinians! GO LEARN SOME MORE KID!! thedealsealer
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

thedealsealer wrote:
@farsely bantam honestly mate you don't know what your on about, you are chatting complete nonsense , the fact you said the area is full of 'bearded nut jobs' proves you've got islamaphobia and you not arguing rationally, there is an apparent bias, put that to one side put the Hamas firing rockets what's your explanation to all the other atrocities?? Tell me about jenin in 2002?? Tell me about the massacre of 1000s of Palestinian refugees in South lebenon by Christian militia who were armed and ordered by Israel, tell me about the 1200 killed in lebenon in 2006, no rockets there mate!!!! Proper deluded man, and you say the Muslims been fighting for centuries there, well for your information Muslims Jews and Christians been living in peace and harmony as neighbours under muslim rule there for centuries. Go learn about the issue from somewhere other than bbc sky n itn,
I never claimed that Israel doesn't have, to put it mildly, a chequered past when it comes to the Palestinians. I'm not saying that the past should be ignored but by excusing the current violence because of Israels past actions gets us nowhere.
The area is full of, to use the full quote, 'hot headed bearded nut jobs'. This is not Islamaphobic, it is merely a statement of fact. I am not Islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is defined as an irrational fear of Islam. I do not fear Islam, I just think it has absolutely nothing positive to offer the world at all. It has a lot of negative aspects that we can seriously do without.
[quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: @farsely bantam honestly mate you don't know what your on about, you are chatting complete nonsense , the fact you said the area is full of 'bearded nut jobs' proves you've got islamaphobia and you not arguing rationally, there is an apparent bias, put that to one side put the Hamas firing rockets what's your explanation to all the other atrocities?? Tell me about jenin in 2002?? Tell me about the massacre of 1000s of Palestinian refugees in South lebenon by Christian militia who were armed and ordered by Israel, tell me about the 1200 killed in lebenon in 2006, no rockets there mate!!!! Proper deluded man, and you say the Muslims been fighting for centuries there, well for your information Muslims Jews and Christians been living in peace and harmony as neighbours under muslim rule there for centuries. Go learn about the issue from somewhere other than bbc sky n itn,[/p][/quote]I never claimed that Israel doesn't have, to put it mildly, a chequered past when it comes to the Palestinians. I'm not saying that the past should be ignored but by excusing the current violence because of Israels past actions gets us nowhere. The area is full of, to use the full quote, 'hot headed bearded nut jobs'. This is not Islamaphobic, it is merely a statement of fact. I am not Islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is defined as an irrational fear of Islam. I do not fear Islam, I just think it has absolutely nothing positive to offer the world at all. It has a lot of negative aspects that we can seriously do without. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

1:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Peace@Justice says...

An interesting article from an Israeli peace campaigner. Well worth a read:
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/world/
middle-east/is-gideo
n-levy-the-most-hate
d-man-in-israel-or-j
ust-the-most-heroic-
2087909.html
An interesting article from an Israeli peace campaigner. Well worth a read: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ middle-east/is-gideo n-levy-the-most-hate d-man-in-israel-or-j ust-the-most-heroic- 2087909.html Peace@Justice
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 8

1:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Toppersutz says...

And if he were a Ukrainian Separatist and thought he'd win a few more votes he'd launch missiles at aircraft too.
And if he were a Ukrainian Separatist and thought he'd win a few more votes he'd launch missiles at aircraft too. Toppersutz
  • Score: 8

1:22pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Everyone please remember one thing NO JUSTICE NO PEACE, look at the whole picture, not just the last two weeks, put Muslims n Jews to one side, it's about Palestinians and zionists (mainly European)
Everyone please remember one thing NO JUSTICE NO PEACE, look at the whole picture, not just the last two weeks, put Muslims n Jews to one side, it's about Palestinians and zionists (mainly European) thedealsealer
  • Score: -2

1:23pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
monobrow man wrote:
If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)
If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia

ns)
But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)[/p][/quote]If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia ns)[/p][/quote]But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 4

1:25pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
monobrow man wrote:
If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)
If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia


ns)
But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead.
Diplomacy
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)[/p][/quote]If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia ns)[/p][/quote]But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead.[/p][/quote]Diplomacy Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 5

1:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine? neil007
  • Score: -4

1:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis thedealsealer
  • Score: -3

1:36pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?
You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East.
What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?[/p][/quote]You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East. What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 12

1:38pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
@farsely bantam honestly mate you don't know what your on about, you are chatting complete nonsense , the fact you said the area is full of 'bearded nut jobs' proves you've got islamaphobia and you not arguing rationally, there is an apparent bias, put that to one side put the Hamas firing rockets what's your explanation to all the other atrocities?? Tell me about jenin in 2002?? Tell me about the massacre of 1000s of Palestinian refugees in South lebenon by Christian militia who were armed and ordered by Israel, tell me about the 1200 killed in lebenon in 2006, no rockets there mate!!!! Proper deluded man, and you say the Muslims been fighting for centuries there, well for your information Muslims Jews and Christians been living in peace and harmony as neighbours under muslim rule there for centuries. Go learn about the issue from somewhere other than bbc sky n itn,
I never claimed that Israel doesn't have, to put it mildly, a chequered past when it comes to the Palestinians. I'm not saying that the past should be ignored but by excusing the current violence because of Israels past actions gets us nowhere.
The area is full of, to use the full quote, 'hot headed bearded nut jobs'. This is not Islamaphobic, it is merely a statement of fact. I am not Islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is defined as an irrational fear of Islam. I do not fear Islam, I just think it has absolutely nothing positive to offer the world at all. It has a lot of negative aspects that we can seriously do without.
Ok your not islamaphobic, but by saying it has nothing good to offer the world you've just shown racial hatred mate, I'm ashamed to see this from bradfordians, again highlights why people are blindly supporting Israeli terror, because of a pre determined dis like for Islam,

By the way Islam bought to the world, many good things, just to give you guys an idea of right and wrong, Israel supported the apartheid regime in South Africa, Palestinians didn't
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: @farsely bantam honestly mate you don't know what your on about, you are chatting complete nonsense , the fact you said the area is full of 'bearded nut jobs' proves you've got islamaphobia and you not arguing rationally, there is an apparent bias, put that to one side put the Hamas firing rockets what's your explanation to all the other atrocities?? Tell me about jenin in 2002?? Tell me about the massacre of 1000s of Palestinian refugees in South lebenon by Christian militia who were armed and ordered by Israel, tell me about the 1200 killed in lebenon in 2006, no rockets there mate!!!! Proper deluded man, and you say the Muslims been fighting for centuries there, well for your information Muslims Jews and Christians been living in peace and harmony as neighbours under muslim rule there for centuries. Go learn about the issue from somewhere other than bbc sky n itn,[/p][/quote]I never claimed that Israel doesn't have, to put it mildly, a chequered past when it comes to the Palestinians. I'm not saying that the past should be ignored but by excusing the current violence because of Israels past actions gets us nowhere. The area is full of, to use the full quote, 'hot headed bearded nut jobs'. This is not Islamaphobic, it is merely a statement of fact. I am not Islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is defined as an irrational fear of Islam. I do not fear Islam, I just think it has absolutely nothing positive to offer the world at all. It has a lot of negative aspects that we can seriously do without.[/p][/quote]Ok your not islamaphobic, but by saying it has nothing good to offer the world you've just shown racial hatred mate, I'm ashamed to see this from bradfordians, again highlights why people are blindly supporting Israeli terror, because of a pre determined dis like for Islam, By the way Islam bought to the world, many good things, just to give you guys an idea of right and wrong, Israel supported the apartheid regime in South Africa, Palestinians didn't thedealsealer
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

Peace@Justice wrote:
An interesting article from an Israeli peace campaigner. Well worth a read:
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/world/

middle-east/is-gideo

n-levy-the-most-hate

d-man-in-israel-or-j

ust-the-most-heroic-

2087909.html
Thanks for that link.

"“My biggest struggle,” he says, “is to rehumanize the Palestinians. There’s a whole machinery of brainwashing in Israel which really accompanies each of us from early childhood, and I’m a product of this machinery as much as anyone else. a few narratives that it’s very hard to break. That we Israelis are the ultimate and only victims. That the Palestinians are born to kill, and their hatred is irrational. That the Palestinians are not human beings like us… So you get a society without any moral doubts, without any questions marks, with hardly public debate. To raise your voice against all this is very hard.”"

I can see that here on this blog with pro-israeli supporters out in force.
They should read up about Gideon Levy and and ask their conscience who is in the wrong. Can a pro-israeli really say Israel is right in killing those kids on the beacjh last week, bombing the hospital, killing that defenseless man on the ground just a few days ago?
Really?
[quote][p][bold]Peace@Justice[/bold] wrote: An interesting article from an Israeli peace campaigner. Well worth a read: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ middle-east/is-gideo n-levy-the-most-hate d-man-in-israel-or-j ust-the-most-heroic- 2087909.html[/p][/quote]Thanks for that link. "“My biggest struggle,” he says, “is to rehumanize the Palestinians. There’s a whole machinery of brainwashing in Israel which really accompanies each of us from early childhood, and I’m a product of this machinery as much as anyone else. [We are taught] a few narratives that it’s very hard to break. That we Israelis are the ultimate and only victims. That the Palestinians are born to kill, and their hatred is irrational. That the Palestinians are not human beings like us… So you get a society without any moral doubts, without any questions marks, with hardly public debate. To raise your voice against all this is very hard.”" I can see that here on this blog with pro-israeli supporters out in force. They should read up about Gideon Levy and and ask their conscience who is in the wrong. Can a pro-israeli really say Israel is right in killing those kids on the beacjh last week, bombing the hospital, killing that defenseless man on the ground just a few days ago? Really? webshow
  • Score: 5

1:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks?

And of which approx. 80& have been civilians?
See you have been busy clearing your browser cache and voting yourself and any others that follow your agenda up again Hoffster
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: No condemnation for vile Israeli terrorist scum who have killed over 600 Palestinians in 2 weeks? And of which approx. 80& have been civilians?[/p][/quote]See you have been busy clearing your browser cache and voting yourself and any others that follow your agenda up again Hoffster Andy2010
  • Score: 6

1:42pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?
You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East.
What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.
And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims, but Israel should not have to use it's multi billion pound iron dome to stop rockets, cause Israelis might feel distressed and that making Israelis feeling distressed is a crime against humanity, but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer, seriously look in the mirror mate, look into your soul, your twisted
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?[/p][/quote]You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East. What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.[/p][/quote]And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims, but Israel should not have to use it's multi billion pound iron dome to stop rockets, cause Israelis might feel distressed and that making Israelis feeling distressed is a crime against humanity, but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer, seriously look in the mirror mate, look into your soul, your twisted thedealsealer
  • Score: -6

1:42pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
monobrow man wrote:
If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)
If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia



ns)
But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead.
Diplomacy
It should have been diplomacy 70 years ago and not help from us and the USA and it's allies from back then to help the illegitimate state of Israel to capture there land! But i wouldn't say the Palestinians are weak people and therefore they should do diplomacy for that reason. They should be an end to this massacre and the only way to resolve it would be diplomatic, i know the Palestinians are much weaker in this war because of no firepower, but going back not so long ago in Afghanistan, we went to fight people on horseback and small guns, we went part of a multi national team of all the superpowers around the world with all the latest gadgets and firepower, but we still begged them to sit down and talk to us to in the end because we along with everyone lost the war! So you never know Israel may beg the Palestinians to sit down and talk!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)[/p][/quote]If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia ns)[/p][/quote]But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead.[/p][/quote]Diplomacy[/p][/quote]It should have been diplomacy 70 years ago and not help from us and the USA and it's allies from back then to help the illegitimate state of Israel to capture there land! But i wouldn't say the Palestinians are weak people and therefore they should do diplomacy for that reason. They should be an end to this massacre and the only way to resolve it would be diplomatic, i know the Palestinians are much weaker in this war because of no firepower, but going back not so long ago in Afghanistan, we went to fight people on horseback and small guns, we went part of a multi national team of all the superpowers around the world with all the latest gadgets and firepower, but we still begged them to sit down and talk to us to in the end because we along with everyone lost the war! So you never know Israel may beg the Palestinians to sit down and talk! neil007
  • Score: 6

1:43pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Instead they store their weapons, missiles and barracks in civilian quarters even sometimes next to schools.

Hamas simply hide behind the civilians and hope Israel hit some so they can put their propaganda into full flow.

Hamas are basically cowards who are too scared to take the fight to Israel
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Instead they store their weapons, missiles and barracks in civilian quarters even sometimes next to schools. Hamas simply hide behind the civilians and hope Israel hit some so they can put their propaganda into full flow. Hamas are basically cowards who are too scared to take the fight to Israel Andy2010
  • Score: 3

1:43pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis
Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations.
Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate?
[quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis[/p][/quote]Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations. Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -2

1:47pm Wed 23 Jul 14

vax2002 says...

First rule of common sense.

TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE ONE RIGHT !
First rule of common sense. TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE ONE RIGHT ! vax2002
  • Score: 3

1:48pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Saltaire Bantam says...

"The big question is - if I lived in Gaza would I fire a rocket? - probably yes," Mr Ward is admitting he is a terrorist supporter. I think he needs to be sacked and deported to ISIS controlled Iraq.
"The big question is - if I lived in Gaza would I fire a rocket? - probably yes," Mr Ward is admitting he is a terrorist supporter. I think he needs to be sacked and deported to ISIS controlled Iraq. Saltaire Bantam
  • Score: 10

1:48pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
monobrow man wrote:
If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)
If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia




ns)
But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead.
Diplomacy
It should have been diplomacy 70 years ago and not help from us and the USA and it's allies from back then to help the illegitimate state of Israel to capture there land! But i wouldn't say the Palestinians are weak people and therefore they should do diplomacy for that reason. They should be an end to this massacre and the only way to resolve it would be diplomatic, i know the Palestinians are much weaker in this war because of no firepower, but going back not so long ago in Afghanistan, we went to fight people on horseback and small guns, we went part of a multi national team of all the superpowers around the world with all the latest gadgets and firepower, but we still begged them to sit down and talk to us to in the end because we along with everyone lost the war! So you never know Israel may beg the Palestinians to sit down and talk!
The whole situation is a massive mess. Yes there should have been diplomacy 70 years ago and all this could have been avoided. We ballsed up big time.
I keep telling myself that eventually one of the sides will give an inch but in my lifetime the only change I've seen is that Israel have improved their hardware.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: If somebody flicks me on the nose 20 times(rockets fired by Hamas) I am going to break there nose (Israeli bombing)[/p][/quote]If somebody stole my land and killed the women and children for the past 70 years (Israel) i would cause as much harm to them as possible!(Palestinia ns)[/p][/quote]But because I am incredibly weak (Palestinians) I am actually unable to do them any real harm so I would give deplomacy a try instead.[/p][/quote]Diplomacy[/p][/quote]It should have been diplomacy 70 years ago and not help from us and the USA and it's allies from back then to help the illegitimate state of Israel to capture there land! But i wouldn't say the Palestinians are weak people and therefore they should do diplomacy for that reason. They should be an end to this massacre and the only way to resolve it would be diplomatic, i know the Palestinians are much weaker in this war because of no firepower, but going back not so long ago in Afghanistan, we went to fight people on horseback and small guns, we went part of a multi national team of all the superpowers around the world with all the latest gadgets and firepower, but we still begged them to sit down and talk to us to in the end because we along with everyone lost the war! So you never know Israel may beg the Palestinians to sit down and talk![/p][/quote]The whole situation is a massive mess. Yes there should have been diplomacy 70 years ago and all this could have been avoided. We ballsed up big time. I keep telling myself that eventually one of the sides will give an inch but in my lifetime the only change I've seen is that Israel have improved their hardware. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 7

1:53pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?
You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East.
What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.
And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims, but Israel should not have to use it's multi billion pound iron dome to stop rockets, cause Israelis might feel distressed and that making Israelis feeling distressed is a crime against humanity, but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer, seriously look in the mirror mate, look into your soul, your twisted
The ramblings of a mad man. I have never said 'And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims' Those words have come from your head.

'but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer'

Again never said that. I said Islam nothing positive to offer us in the West. Do you need me to explain the difference between Islam and Muslims?
[quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?[/p][/quote]You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East. What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.[/p][/quote]And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims, but Israel should not have to use it's multi billion pound iron dome to stop rockets, cause Israelis might feel distressed and that making Israelis feeling distressed is a crime against humanity, but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer, seriously look in the mirror mate, look into your soul, your twisted[/p][/quote]The ramblings of a mad man. I have never said 'And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims' Those words have come from your head. 'but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer' Again never said that. I said Islam nothing positive to offer us in the West. Do you need me to explain the difference between Islam and Muslims? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -5

1:56pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?
You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East.
What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.
Ok, so let the Israelis have as many weapons as possible because to you it's ok to kill as many Palestinians possible but if it's other way round it's not good? Shows what the blood of Palestinian women and children mean to you? Don't you think if the Palestinians had half decent weapons the Israelis wouldn't dare attack them? So they wouldn't be war? Like right now i bet all the leaders would want to attack Russian putin, but knowing the damage he can do we wouldn't dare attack him, therefore no war! So if we let the Palestinians have some sophisticated weapons, Israel would end up on the drawing table to sit and talk! I think that would be good approach!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?[/p][/quote]You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East. What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.[/p][/quote]Ok, so let the Israelis have as many weapons as possible because to you it's ok to kill as many Palestinians possible but if it's other way round it's not good? Shows what the blood of Palestinian women and children mean to you? Don't you think if the Palestinians had half decent weapons the Israelis wouldn't dare attack them? So they wouldn't be war? Like right now i bet all the leaders would want to attack Russian putin, but knowing the damage he can do we wouldn't dare attack him, therefore no war! So if we let the Palestinians have some sophisticated weapons, Israel would end up on the drawing table to sit and talk! I think that would be good approach! neil007
  • Score: 9

1:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis
Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations.
Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate?
Mate there've been Palestinians who wanted to sit down and talk, non terrorist Palestinians, they've been 'liberal' Israeli leaders, but any sign of concessions from any Israeli leader is met with a fire storm, Israel will not give up an inch of it's stolen land, over a 100 settlements in the very few bits of remaining Palestinian land, trust me this is injustice of the highest order, I plead with you pal and others, put religion to one side and look at it from a human point of view and you will realise it's a massive injustice, to add salt to the wound every so often they get bombed and children die, I've seen the pics n vids if dead kids, some with there heads opened up some with no heads at all, and I've cried, it's horrendous, and to justify that with they trying to stop rockets that are being stopped by iron dome any way is just ridiculous, please please please bradfordians we're better than this, look at what's right and wrong, I beg you!!!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis[/p][/quote]Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations. Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate?[/p][/quote]Mate there've been Palestinians who wanted to sit down and talk, non terrorist Palestinians, they've been 'liberal' Israeli leaders, but any sign of concessions from any Israeli leader is met with a fire storm, Israel will not give up an inch of it's stolen land, over a 100 settlements in the very few bits of remaining Palestinian land, trust me this is injustice of the highest order, I plead with you pal and others, put religion to one side and look at it from a human point of view and you will realise it's a massive injustice, to add salt to the wound every so often they get bombed and children die, I've seen the pics n vids if dead kids, some with there heads opened up some with no heads at all, and I've cried, it's horrendous, and to justify that with they trying to stop rockets that are being stopped by iron dome any way is just ridiculous, please please please bradfordians we're better than this, look at what's right and wrong, I beg you!!! thedealsealer
  • Score: 5

2:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?
You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East.
What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.
Ok, so let the Israelis have as many weapons as possible because to you it's ok to kill as many Palestinians possible but if it's other way round it's not good? Shows what the blood of Palestinian women and children mean to you? Don't you think if the Palestinians had half decent weapons the Israelis wouldn't dare attack them? So they wouldn't be war? Like right now i bet all the leaders would want to attack Russian putin, but knowing the damage he can do we wouldn't dare attack him, therefore no war! So if we let the Palestinians have some sophisticated weapons, Israel would end up on the drawing table to sit and talk! I think that would be good approach!
Great idea. Give loads of powerful sophisticated weapons to a load of trigger happy untrained militia. What could go wrong? Ukraine anyone?
Hammas is an organization who want to wipe Israel off the face off the earth. How do you think they would use their weapons?
Israel would look like Switzerland in comparison.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?[/p][/quote]You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East. What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.[/p][/quote]Ok, so let the Israelis have as many weapons as possible because to you it's ok to kill as many Palestinians possible but if it's other way round it's not good? Shows what the blood of Palestinian women and children mean to you? Don't you think if the Palestinians had half decent weapons the Israelis wouldn't dare attack them? So they wouldn't be war? Like right now i bet all the leaders would want to attack Russian putin, but knowing the damage he can do we wouldn't dare attack him, therefore no war! So if we let the Palestinians have some sophisticated weapons, Israel would end up on the drawing table to sit and talk! I think that would be good approach![/p][/quote]Great idea. Give loads of powerful sophisticated weapons to a load of trigger happy untrained militia. What could go wrong? Ukraine anyone? Hammas is an organization who want to wipe Israel off the face off the earth. How do you think they would use their weapons? Israel would look like Switzerland in comparison. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 4

2:08pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?
You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East.
What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.
And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims, but Israel should not have to use it's multi billion pound iron dome to stop rockets, cause Israelis might feel distressed and that making Israelis feeling distressed is a crime against humanity, but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer, seriously look in the mirror mate, look into your soul, your twisted
The ramblings of a mad man. I have never said 'And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims' Those words have come from your head.

'but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer'

Again never said that. I said Islam nothing positive to offer us in the West. Do you need me to explain the difference between Islam and Muslims?
Muslims practice Islam, there's an obvious difference but you know what I meant, don't try to twist things, I never said you actually 'said' those things I said your making it sound like that, meaning from what I've read from you so far, just like what you said in the previous comment to mine, blatant twisting, learning the Israeli art well,
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Never say never! Hopefully one day they will achieve there dream living as freed people of the world just like us and not in a concentration camp, maybe one day if the world sees justice and equality, they maybe be able to have access to fighter jets and missiles just like any other country is allowed, so you never know what the future would hold if there was fairness and equality for everyone, we as British love going on about equality and human rights but where is it today for the people of Palestine?[/p][/quote]You say it like you want more weapons on the Palestinian side so they can have a proper good tear up, millions on both sides get killed then we can declare a winner and the conflict will be over and there will be peace in the Middle East. What I want is for both sides to get round the negotiating table and have someone impartial (god knows who!) mediate. You seem to want Palestinian revenge/Israeli deaths.[/p][/quote]And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims, but Israel should not have to use it's multi billion pound iron dome to stop rockets, cause Israelis might feel distressed and that making Israelis feeling distressed is a crime against humanity, but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer, seriously look in the mirror mate, look into your soul, your twisted[/p][/quote]The ramblings of a mad man. I have never said 'And you say it like it's fine Palestinian children get killed daily, coz they Muslims' Those words have come from your head. 'but killing Palestinian children is fine coz Muslims have nothing good to offer' Again never said that. I said Islam nothing positive to offer us in the West. Do you need me to explain the difference between Islam and Muslims?[/p][/quote]Muslims practice Islam, there's an obvious difference but you know what I meant, don't try to twist things, I never said you actually 'said' those things I said your making it sound like that, meaning from what I've read from you so far, just like what you said in the previous comment to mine, blatant twisting, learning the Israeli art well, thedealsealer
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis
Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations.
Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate?
Mate there've been Palestinians who wanted to sit down and talk, non terrorist Palestinians, they've been 'liberal' Israeli leaders, but any sign of concessions from any Israeli leader is met with a fire storm, Israel will not give up an inch of it's stolen land, over a 100 settlements in the very few bits of remaining Palestinian land, trust me this is injustice of the highest order, I plead with you pal and others, put religion to one side and look at it from a human point of view and you will realise it's a massive injustice, to add salt to the wound every so often they get bombed and children die, I've seen the pics n vids if dead kids, some with there heads opened up some with no heads at all, and I've cried, it's horrendous, and to justify that with they trying to stop rockets that are being stopped by iron dome any way is just ridiculous, please please please bradfordians we're better than this, look at what's right and wrong, I beg you!!!
Israel has cleared settlements from Gaza in the past - 2005 i think. Who's to say that this won't happen again?
I agree that the land grabs must stop and land should be returned.
But this will not be acheived by force. As long as Israel are being attacked they will not negotiate.
Also the Iron Dome is not 100% successful. Some get through and some kill so the Israelis are right to stop rocket fire at source.
[quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis[/p][/quote]Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations. Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate?[/p][/quote]Mate there've been Palestinians who wanted to sit down and talk, non terrorist Palestinians, they've been 'liberal' Israeli leaders, but any sign of concessions from any Israeli leader is met with a fire storm, Israel will not give up an inch of it's stolen land, over a 100 settlements in the very few bits of remaining Palestinian land, trust me this is injustice of the highest order, I plead with you pal and others, put religion to one side and look at it from a human point of view and you will realise it's a massive injustice, to add salt to the wound every so often they get bombed and children die, I've seen the pics n vids if dead kids, some with there heads opened up some with no heads at all, and I've cried, it's horrendous, and to justify that with they trying to stop rockets that are being stopped by iron dome any way is just ridiculous, please please please bradfordians we're better than this, look at what's right and wrong, I beg you!!![/p][/quote]Israel has cleared settlements from Gaza in the past - 2005 i think. Who's to say that this won't happen again? I agree that the land grabs must stop and land should be returned. But this will not be acheived by force. As long as Israel are being attacked they will not negotiate. Also the Iron Dome is not 100% successful. Some get through and some kill so the Israelis are right to stop rocket fire at source. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 1

2:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MontyLeMar says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 5

2:27pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections.
Yes, it will be like that Coca Cola advert with people of all faiths holding hands and singing.
Seriously though, what do you suggest? Your earlier posts seem to suggest that you want Hamas to keep firing rockets until the Israel public grow war weary and give in. Is that your suggestion?
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections.[/p][/quote]Yes, it will be like that Coca Cola advert with people of all faiths holding hands and singing. Seriously though, what do you suggest? Your earlier posts seem to suggest that you want Hamas to keep firing rockets until the Israel public grow war weary and give in. Is that your suggestion? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 4

2:28pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here Andy2010
  • Score: 5

2:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them Andy2010
  • Score: 1

2:33pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
thedealsealer wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis
Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations.
Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate?
Mate there've been Palestinians who wanted to sit down and talk, non terrorist Palestinians, they've been 'liberal' Israeli leaders, but any sign of concessions from any Israeli leader is met with a fire storm, Israel will not give up an inch of it's stolen land, over a 100 settlements in the very few bits of remaining Palestinian land, trust me this is injustice of the highest order, I plead with you pal and others, put religion to one side and look at it from a human point of view and you will realise it's a massive injustice, to add salt to the wound every so often they get bombed and children die, I've seen the pics n vids if dead kids, some with there heads opened up some with no heads at all, and I've cried, it's horrendous, and to justify that with they trying to stop rockets that are being stopped by iron dome any way is just ridiculous, please please please bradfordians we're better than this, look at what's right and wrong, I beg you!!!
Israel has cleared settlements from Gaza in the past - 2005 i think. Who's to say that this won't happen again?
I agree that the land grabs must stop and land should be returned.
But this will not be acheived by force. As long as Israel are being attacked they will not negotiate.
Also the Iron Dome is not 100% successful. Some get through and some kill so the Israelis are right to stop rocket fire at source.
See again you not quite telling the full picture you seem to stop before the finish line,Israel left gaza in 2005 in order to make it an open air prison and a living hell for Palestinians, and when it did I straight away expanded it's settlement in West Bank, not much of a compromise, again and again Palestinians have tried to negotiate but Israel is just looking for a Palestinian surrender whenever they sit down, like in camp David when bill Clinton got them to sit down, nothing Israel has ever proposed come any where near reasonable, and this is all proven fact, read the book called 'the generals son' miko peled, or watch his vid on YouTube about 1hour 10 mins long, he spells it out, with proof from his dads meetings, like I've said before diplomacy won't work with Israel in this current climate of sickening support from the west like from our scum PM who said he'll stand with Israel, sickening!!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]Farsley farsley farsley you just don't know ****, firstly how can Hamas sit down and negotiate when Israel are hell bent on labelling them as a terrorist organisation and refuse to talk to them!!! Secondly Israel will never meet the demands of Palestine so y should they negotiate, and why don't the USA allow another country to provide Hamas with some more sophisticated missiles that they can target military logistical sites, like they supply Israel who still manages to kill 600 civilians in two weeks, like I keep saying it must be a dislike for Muslims that's why your blindly supporting murder, terror and massacre by Israelis[/p][/quote]Ofcourse they will not negotiate with an organization who's MO is the destruction of Israel and it's people. Who would? As I'm sure you know Palestinians and Hammas are not the same thing. The Palestinians need to elect a government that has the interest of its own citizens and not the destruction of Israels at it's core. A non violent government would open the door for talks and negotiations. Bibi won't be in charge for ever. Who's to say that a younger, more liberal leader of Israel would not be prepared to negotiate?[/p][/quote]Mate there've been Palestinians who wanted to sit down and talk, non terrorist Palestinians, they've been 'liberal' Israeli leaders, but any sign of concessions from any Israeli leader is met with a fire storm, Israel will not give up an inch of it's stolen land, over a 100 settlements in the very few bits of remaining Palestinian land, trust me this is injustice of the highest order, I plead with you pal and others, put religion to one side and look at it from a human point of view and you will realise it's a massive injustice, to add salt to the wound every so often they get bombed and children die, I've seen the pics n vids if dead kids, some with there heads opened up some with no heads at all, and I've cried, it's horrendous, and to justify that with they trying to stop rockets that are being stopped by iron dome any way is just ridiculous, please please please bradfordians we're better than this, look at what's right and wrong, I beg you!!![/p][/quote]Israel has cleared settlements from Gaza in the past - 2005 i think. Who's to say that this won't happen again? I agree that the land grabs must stop and land should be returned. But this will not be acheived by force. As long as Israel are being attacked they will not negotiate. Also the Iron Dome is not 100% successful. Some get through and some kill so the Israelis are right to stop rocket fire at source.[/p][/quote]See again you not quite telling the full picture you seem to stop before the finish line,Israel left gaza in 2005 in order to make it an open air prison and a living hell for Palestinians, and when it did I straight away expanded it's settlement in West Bank, not much of a compromise, again and again Palestinians have tried to negotiate but Israel is just looking for a Palestinian surrender whenever they sit down, like in camp David when bill Clinton got them to sit down, nothing Israel has ever proposed come any where near reasonable, and this is all proven fact, read the book called 'the generals son' miko peled, or watch his vid on YouTube about 1hour 10 mins long, he spells it out, with proof from his dads meetings, like I've said before diplomacy won't work with Israel in this current climate of sickening support from the west like from our scum PM who said he'll stand with Israel, sickening!! thedealsealer
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Wed 23 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Fact: David Hamas Ward has a very slim majority. Only just got elected. Playing the anti Israel card is his only, repeat only, hope of being elected. He hopes. He doesn't give a **** about the Palis. Just a cynical vote getter exercise. If his area had a large Jewish population, which side do you think he would be on?

Fact: the only politicians who get the Muslim vote in Barfdord, home of the free, are the ones who scream anti Jew the loudest.

Fact: Hamas - and the Palis who voted them in - are dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew on the planet. How can you have a rational relationship with people who want your death? You can't - just conflict.

Fact: there will now never be any peace between Israel and the Palis. Gone forever. Just a permanent, grinding war to the finish. Live with it. Enjoy.

Fact: The Israelis have the bigger stick because they are smarter and better organised. Only a fool doesn't use a big stick against the dog snapping at you.

Fact: The Palis are totally stupid, hopelessly dumb. They will never, repeat never, climb out the hole they are in. They are a people in terminal decline. The Neanderthals of the 21st century, doomed to failure.

Fact: this conflict and the local reaction to it, shows what a racially divided city Barfdord is. And getting worse by the day.

Fact: any non Muslim who supports the Palis is as dumb as they are. But it's a free country and your choice.

Fact: if Islam ever rules this country, there will be no freedom and no choices.

Fact: the posters here can all quote statistics, morality and opinions forever. It won't change anything. A message to all you dogs out there - have your little day.
Fact: David Hamas Ward has a very slim majority. Only just got elected. Playing the anti Israel card is his only, repeat only, hope of being elected. He hopes. He doesn't give a **** about the Palis. Just a cynical vote getter exercise. If his area had a large Jewish population, which side do you think he would be on? Fact: the only politicians who get the Muslim vote in Barfdord, home of the free, are the ones who scream anti Jew the loudest. Fact: Hamas - and the Palis who voted them in - are dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew on the planet. How can you have a rational relationship with people who want your death? You can't - just conflict. Fact: there will now never be any peace between Israel and the Palis. Gone forever. Just a permanent, grinding war to the finish. Live with it. Enjoy. Fact: The Israelis have the bigger stick because they are smarter and better organised. Only a fool doesn't use a big stick against the dog snapping at you. Fact: The Palis are totally stupid, hopelessly dumb. They will never, repeat never, climb out the hole they are in. They are a people in terminal decline. The Neanderthals of the 21st century, doomed to failure. Fact: this conflict and the local reaction to it, shows what a racially divided city Barfdord is. And getting worse by the day. Fact: any non Muslim who supports the Palis is as dumb as they are. But it's a free country and your choice. Fact: if Islam ever rules this country, there will be no freedom and no choices. Fact: the posters here can all quote statistics, morality and opinions forever. It won't change anything. A message to all you dogs out there - have your little day. idf fanclub
  • Score: 4

2:36pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections.
Yes, it will be like that Coca Cola advert with people of all faiths holding hands and singing.
Seriously though, what do you suggest? Your earlier posts seem to suggest that you want Hamas to keep firing rockets until the Israel public grow war weary and give in. Is that your suggestion?
My suggestion is both sides should lay down there weapons, sit down and talk, Israel should give back the stolen land and that will be the end! Until that can happen they will be no peace and the innocent civilians have to suffer! There's too many politics around the world, countries blatantly supporting each other whether there right or wrong! Where is human rights? Where is the equality?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections.[/p][/quote]Yes, it will be like that Coca Cola advert with people of all faiths holding hands and singing. Seriously though, what do you suggest? Your earlier posts seem to suggest that you want Hamas to keep firing rockets until the Israel public grow war weary and give in. Is that your suggestion?[/p][/quote]My suggestion is both sides should lay down there weapons, sit down and talk, Israel should give back the stolen land and that will be the end! Until that can happen they will be no peace and the innocent civilians have to suffer! There's too many politics around the world, countries blatantly supporting each other whether there right or wrong! Where is human rights? Where is the equality? neil007
  • Score: 9

2:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
There is no ISIS in Palestine! The borders are totally sealed by the Israelis! Nobody can enter and nobody can leave! It's a concentration camp! I wonder where you have found that "fact" from?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]There is no ISIS in Palestine! The borders are totally sealed by the Israelis! Nobody can enter and nobody can leave! It's a concentration camp! I wonder where you have found that "fact" from? neil007
  • Score: 3

2:42pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
It's funny the only ones saying that are websites dedicated to the vile Zionist cause.

Andy, I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that. Falling for the sick lies spewed out by those who support Israeli terrorism.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]It's funny the only ones saying that are websites dedicated to the vile Zionist cause. Andy, I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that. Falling for the sick lies spewed out by those who support Israeli terrorism. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists! neil007
  • Score: 3

2:45pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Fact: David Hamas Ward has a very slim majority. Only just got elected. Playing the anti Israel card is his only, repeat only, hope of being elected. He hopes. He doesn't give a **** about the Palis. Just a cynical vote getter exercise. If his area had a large Jewish population, which side do you think he would be on?

Fact: the only politicians who get the Muslim vote in Barfdord, home of the free, are the ones who scream anti Jew the loudest.

Fact: Hamas - and the Palis who voted them in - are dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew on the planet. How can you have a rational relationship with people who want your death? You can't - just conflict.

Fact: there will now never be any peace between Israel and the Palis. Gone forever. Just a permanent, grinding war to the finish. Live with it. Enjoy.

Fact: The Israelis have the bigger stick because they are smarter and better organised. Only a fool doesn't use a big stick against the dog snapping at you.

Fact: The Palis are totally stupid, hopelessly dumb. They will never, repeat never, climb out the hole they are in. They are a people in terminal decline. The Neanderthals of the 21st century, doomed to failure.

Fact: this conflict and the local reaction to it, shows what a racially divided city Barfdord is. And getting worse by the day.

Fact: any non Muslim who supports the Palis is as dumb as they are. But it's a free country and your choice.

Fact: if Islam ever rules this country, there will be no freedom and no choices.

Fact: the posters here can all quote statistics, morality and opinions forever. It won't change anything. A message to all you dogs out there - have your little day.
Not facts mate, y even get into Islam ruling this country, I keep saying put religion to one side, shows the anti Islam feeling around, you don't see pro Palestinian people hating on Jews or Christians, which leads me to the next point, HAMAS DONT WANT TO ERADICATE ALL JEWS FROM THE PLANET, you put lies down as facts, your a weird sort of guy, listen to the Hamas leader speech before he was assassinated in 2004 where he clearly says they have no problem with the Jews, and that they are people of religion like themselves and that if his own brother stole land he'd fight him and it's not a race or religion issue, you really need to stop falling for zionist propaganda, and finally it sums you up when you said it's going to be a long and grinding war and ENJOY your the sick dumb dog,
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Fact: David Hamas Ward has a very slim majority. Only just got elected. Playing the anti Israel card is his only, repeat only, hope of being elected. He hopes. He doesn't give a **** about the Palis. Just a cynical vote getter exercise. If his area had a large Jewish population, which side do you think he would be on? Fact: the only politicians who get the Muslim vote in Barfdord, home of the free, are the ones who scream anti Jew the loudest. Fact: Hamas - and the Palis who voted them in - are dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew on the planet. How can you have a rational relationship with people who want your death? You can't - just conflict. Fact: there will now never be any peace between Israel and the Palis. Gone forever. Just a permanent, grinding war to the finish. Live with it. Enjoy. Fact: The Israelis have the bigger stick because they are smarter and better organised. Only a fool doesn't use a big stick against the dog snapping at you. Fact: The Palis are totally stupid, hopelessly dumb. They will never, repeat never, climb out the hole they are in. They are a people in terminal decline. The Neanderthals of the 21st century, doomed to failure. Fact: this conflict and the local reaction to it, shows what a racially divided city Barfdord is. And getting worse by the day. Fact: any non Muslim who supports the Palis is as dumb as they are. But it's a free country and your choice. Fact: if Islam ever rules this country, there will be no freedom and no choices. Fact: the posters here can all quote statistics, morality and opinions forever. It won't change anything. A message to all you dogs out there - have your little day.[/p][/quote]Not facts mate, y even get into Islam ruling this country, I keep saying put religion to one side, shows the anti Islam feeling around, you don't see pro Palestinian people hating on Jews or Christians, which leads me to the next point, HAMAS DONT WANT TO ERADICATE ALL JEWS FROM THE PLANET, you put lies down as facts, your a weird sort of guy, listen to the Hamas leader speech before he was assassinated in 2004 where he clearly says they have no problem with the Jews, and that they are people of religion like themselves and that if his own brother stole land he'd fight him and it's not a race or religion issue, you really need to stop falling for zionist propaganda, and finally it sums you up when you said it's going to be a long and grinding war and ENJOY your the sick dumb dog, thedealsealer
  • Score: 2

2:49pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football?
Was this verified?

Was the whole surrounding area clear of Hamas operating storage barracks? Or do you just believe what you read on social media?
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football?[/p][/quote]Was this verified? Was the whole surrounding area clear of Hamas operating storage barracks? Or do you just believe what you read on social media? Andy2010
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first Andy2010
  • Score: -4

2:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
It's funny the only ones saying that are websites dedicated to the vile Zionist cause.

Andy, I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that. Falling for the sick lies spewed out by those who support Israeli terrorism.
The only terrorists in this "war" are Hamas...Shortly to be ISIS

And no its not from a Zionist website....Just check out ISIS videos online for reference...Straight from the horses mouth. They have been actively occupying Palestine for the past 6 months.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]It's funny the only ones saying that are websites dedicated to the vile Zionist cause. Andy, I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that. Falling for the sick lies spewed out by those who support Israeli terrorism.[/p][/quote]The only terrorists in this "war" are Hamas...Shortly to be ISIS And no its not from a Zionist website....Just check out ISIS videos online for reference...Straight from the horses mouth. They have been actively occupying Palestine for the past 6 months. Andy2010
  • Score: -1

2:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then?
Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.
I see the "inits" are ticking the thumbs up for the anti Israeli posts and the thumbs down for people wanting peace.

If the Liberals ever find any balls then they'll sack the numpty Ward.

What a shame Bradford has three out of three numpty MPs.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then? Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.[/p][/quote]I see the "inits" are ticking the thumbs up for the anti Israeli posts and the thumbs down for people wanting peace. If the Liberals ever find any balls then they'll sack the numpty Ward. What a shame Bradford has three out of three numpty MPs. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 2

2:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

I can see the pro-israeli & muslim haters are out in force here.
They have to defend israel in the media because any ill work of israel is sacrosanct.
for idf fanclub
Fact: israeli brainwashing of the media no longer works and you can thank social media for that. Everyone see what israel really is. A nation created for displaced europeans after WW2, who were bullied by Nazis are now the bully themselves. Your propagamnda is just a rant. History shows bullies come to an end, just look at Hitler.
I can see the pro-israeli & muslim haters are out in force here. They have to defend israel in the media because any ill work of israel is sacrosanct. for idf fanclub Fact: israeli brainwashing of the media no longer works and you can thank social media for that. Everyone see what israel really is. A nation created for displaced europeans after WW2, who were bullied by Nazis are now the bully themselves. Your propagamnda is just a rant. History shows bullies come to an end, just look at Hitler. webshow
  • Score: -2

2:57pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
There is no ISIS in Palestine! The borders are totally sealed by the Israelis! Nobody can enter and nobody can leave! It's a concentration camp! I wonder where you have found that "fact" from?
You seriously beleive that

Well just LOL

I would suggest you simply google ISIS / Hamas and see for yourself
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]There is no ISIS in Palestine! The borders are totally sealed by the Israelis! Nobody can enter and nobody can leave! It's a concentration camp! I wonder where you have found that "fact" from?[/p][/quote]You seriously beleive that Well just LOL I would suggest you simply google ISIS / Hamas and see for yourself Andy2010
  • Score: 3

2:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Fair play to this MP for speaking out. It's not often our elected representatives speak out against the accepted norm aka Israeli, one sided Zionist propaganda.

The Nazi Zionist leaders should be dragged before the courts in the Hague and made to face justice ( although this will never happen whilst the USA is worked from the back by Jewish money).

They should be treat in much the same way as Iran is and made to be a pariah state.
Fair play to this MP for speaking out. It's not often our elected representatives speak out against the accepted norm aka Israeli, one sided Zionist propaganda. The Nazi Zionist leaders should be dragged before the courts in the Hague and made to face justice ( although this will never happen whilst the USA is worked from the back by Jewish money). They should be treat in much the same way as Iran is and made to be a pariah state. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace! neil007
  • Score: 1

3:15pm Wed 23 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

dealey,

Some reply. Some of it almost literate. Love the really grown up insult about sick dumb dogs. And the angry capitals. You've obviously never heard the cliche about dogs having their day.

The speculative comment about if Islam ruled - was, well -speculative.
Wake up.

Hamas are on constant record about their wish to destroy Israel.
But if want to believe Hamas propaganda - it's your free right to do so.

Am I weird? Probably. But compared to your ranting I come over as Mr Normal. Us weird guys like to stand next to people like you to make us look good.

And - unfortunately, horribly - but certainly - it is going to be a long war to the end. The "enjoy" bit was an ironic comment.

Bet you don't do ironic, do you?
dealey, Some reply. Some of it almost literate. Love the really grown up insult about sick dumb dogs. And the angry capitals. You've obviously never heard the cliche about dogs having their day. The speculative comment about if Islam ruled - was, well -speculative. Wake up. Hamas are on constant record about their wish to destroy Israel. But if want to believe Hamas propaganda - it's your free right to do so. Am I weird? Probably. But compared to your ranting I come over as Mr Normal. Us weird guys like to stand next to people like you to make us look good. And - unfortunately, horribly - but certainly - it is going to be a long war to the end. The "enjoy" bit was an ironic comment. Bet you don't do ironic, do you? idf fanclub
  • Score: -5

3:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there.
'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map'
Nice!
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there. 'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map' Nice! Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 6

3:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

whisky1 says...

If you are to make any sort of judgement about Israel you need to look at the historical context. In 1918 Palestine had a tiny minority Jewish population. Since that time the Zionists have systematically appropriated the land of the indigenous Arab Population. They have done that by force or arms and terror (at times against the British) . They have gone far beyond the settlement of land agreed post 1945 and left the Arabs as third class citizens in their own land. The irony is that they have become almost as reprehensible as the Nazis who persecuted them. Israel is a historical and geographical anomaly. It probably will not happen in our lifetime but ultimately it cannot be a sustainable nation state in predominantly Muslim continent. What goes round comes round and just as we are now paying for our imperial sins..Israel will no doubt suffer in the future
If you are to make any sort of judgement about Israel you need to look at the historical context. In 1918 Palestine had a tiny minority Jewish population. Since that time the Zionists have systematically appropriated the land of the indigenous Arab Population. They have done that by force or arms and terror (at times against the British) . They have gone far beyond the settlement of land agreed post 1945 and left the Arabs as third class citizens in their own land. The irony is that they have become almost as reprehensible as the Nazis who persecuted them. Israel is a historical and geographical anomaly. It probably will not happen in our lifetime but ultimately it cannot be a sustainable nation state in predominantly Muslim continent. What goes round comes round and just as we are now paying for our imperial sins..Israel will no doubt suffer in the future whisky1
  • Score: 4

3:23pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football?
Was this verified?

Was the whole surrounding area clear of Hamas operating storage barracks? Or do you just believe what you read on social media?
Is Hamas being a terrorist organisation verified?????? or do you just believe zionists or zionist influenced states and organisations!!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football?[/p][/quote]Was this verified? Was the whole surrounding area clear of Hamas operating storage barracks? Or do you just believe what you read on social media?[/p][/quote]Is Hamas being a terrorist organisation verified?????? or do you just believe zionists or zionist influenced states and organisations!! thedealsealer
  • Score: -1

3:24pm Wed 23 Jul 14

justice333@hotmail.co.uk says...

People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.
People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice. justice333@hotmail.co.uk
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football?
Was this verified?

Was the whole surrounding area clear of Hamas operating storage barracks? Or do you just believe what you read on social media?
It was all over the mainstream news. Your pathetic excuses for Israeli terrorism is disgusting.

BTW, the UN today has accused Israel of committing war crimes in Gaza.

Anything to say on that ?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]What's your excuse for Israel shelling a hospital on Monday, killing doctors and patients in the process, as well as bombing a beach where 4 young children were playing football?[/p][/quote]Was this verified? Was the whole surrounding area clear of Hamas operating storage barracks? Or do you just believe what you read on social media?[/p][/quote]It was all over the mainstream news. Your pathetic excuses for Israeli terrorism is disgusting. BTW, the UN today has accused Israel of committing war crimes in Gaza. Anything to say on that ? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 4

3:32pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
It's funny the only ones saying that are websites dedicated to the vile Zionist cause.

Andy, I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that. Falling for the sick lies spewed out by those who support Israeli terrorism.
The only terrorists in this "war" are Hamas...Shortly to be ISIS

And no its not from a Zionist website....Just check out ISIS videos online for reference...Straight from the horses mouth. They have been actively occupying Palestine for the past 6 months.
Do you have a link ?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]It's funny the only ones saying that are websites dedicated to the vile Zionist cause. Andy, I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that. Falling for the sick lies spewed out by those who support Israeli terrorism.[/p][/quote]The only terrorists in this "war" are Hamas...Shortly to be ISIS And no its not from a Zionist website....Just check out ISIS videos online for reference...Straight from the horses mouth. They have been actively occupying Palestine for the past 6 months.[/p][/quote]Do you have a link ? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -4

3:33pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there.
'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map'
Nice!
It's not been hidden, why is it ok for Israel to have weapons of mass murder? Have weapons that are banned by the UN? Have poisonous gases? Have undeclared nukes? Have fighter jets? Have tanks? Have the most sophisticated and updated weapons of war?

And why is it a crime for the Palestinians to have hopeless rockets? It would be only fair if the Palestinians were allowed the same!

It wouldn't be fair if we went to play cricket against the aussies in a world cup final with a team of 5 players and plastic bats! Or would you call that fair play????
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there. 'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map' Nice![/p][/quote]It's not been hidden, why is it ok for Israel to have weapons of mass murder? Have weapons that are banned by the UN? Have poisonous gases? Have undeclared nukes? Have fighter jets? Have tanks? Have the most sophisticated and updated weapons of war? And why is it a crime for the Palestinians to have hopeless rockets? It would be only fair if the Palestinians were allowed the same! It wouldn't be fair if we went to play cricket against the aussies in a world cup final with a team of 5 players and plastic bats! Or would you call that fair play???? neil007
  • Score: -1

3:35pm Wed 23 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Dealy...

I believe this known as no-brainer.

Who do I believe? Muslims, including Hamas (with their wonderful record of peace and love) or 'Zionists' (the catch all term used by Jew haters)?

Gotta be the Zionists, sunshine. Every time.
Dealy... I believe this known as no-brainer. Who do I believe? Muslims, including Hamas (with their wonderful record of peace and love) or 'Zionists' (the catch all term used by Jew haters)? Gotta be the Zionists, sunshine. Every time. idf fanclub
  • Score: 2

3:37pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MontyLeMar says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.
What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.
What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel!
They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.
What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections.
Yes, it will be like that Coca Cola advert with people of all faiths holding hands and singing.
Seriously though, what do you suggest? Your earlier posts seem to suggest that you want Hamas to keep firing rockets until the Israel public grow war weary and give in. Is that your suggestion?
Yes that is my suggestion. It has happened so many times before. The hawks in Israel are supported by a very narrow band of extremists who wax and wane depending on how the electorate feel. Israelis will not be pushed around and most of the time they elect moderates as leaders. When the body count gets high enough the average Israeli will look for compromise. Netanyahu will soon be on his bike when his extremist supporters start losing their seats.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: He is not Inciting violence but stating the obvious, what ordinary person would willing live in an open air prison, with no access to the sea or other countries, is under blockade and not fightback? If you lock a Dog in a cage for to long it becomes vicious and will attack if you get too close, this is no different.[/p][/quote]What ordinary person would attack a much more powerful person knowing full well that they would get a good hiding? What ordinary person would keep doing this even though they know they will come off worse everytime and their opponent woudn't have a scratch on them? The very definition of madness.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment to make, the Palestinians are oppressed people, they are trying to fend off this terrorist organisation of Israel to their last bit of blood! We can see that now, Israel is an illegitimate state which has the support of US, British and many other countries, they possess the most advanced weapons including weapons banned by the UN and also undeclared nuclear weapons. Yes your right the Palestinians are fighting a much bigger army, a much bigger fire power, but you have to give credit to the Palestinians for not bowing down to the murderers, well you probably think there mad, but read the story of David and goliath, read into history of the wars where the underdogs won, let's not go too far down in history and read up on hezbollah defeating Israel, so everything is possible! Let the Palestinians not lose heart until there are victorious against this illegitimate terrorist state of Israel![/p][/quote]They will never even get close to winning. It is not admirable at all that they keep 'fighting' Israel. If they wanted admiration they could lay down their weapons and negotiate. That would take great strenght and be admirable.[/p][/quote]What a thought! Palestinians lay down weapons and negotiate then live side by side as brother and sister with Isrealis in peace. If only. I fear Hamas may have objections.[/p][/quote]Yes, it will be like that Coca Cola advert with people of all faiths holding hands and singing. Seriously though, what do you suggest? Your earlier posts seem to suggest that you want Hamas to keep firing rockets until the Israel public grow war weary and give in. Is that your suggestion?[/p][/quote]Yes that is my suggestion. It has happened so many times before. The hawks in Israel are supported by a very narrow band of extremists who wax and wane depending on how the electorate feel. Israelis will not be pushed around and most of the time they elect moderates as leaders. When the body count gets high enough the average Israeli will look for compromise. Netanyahu will soon be on his bike when his extremist supporters start losing their seats. MontyLeMar
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

justice333@hotmail.c
o.uk
wrote:
People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.
Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!!
[quote][p][bold]justice333@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.[/p][/quote]Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!! neil007
  • Score: 9

3:42pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mad matt says...

Many years ago Muslims, Jews and Christians lived side by side in Jerusalem with no friction whatsoever. They were good neighbours, supporting each other in hard times.
Then there started a huge influx of Jewish people from all over the world, especially Europe, started by the old Jewish politicians inviting people to 'move into their homeland' and the resulting interference from the western countries to make room for these masses of immigrants imposed borders to separate these once good neighbours.
If you talk to older Jewish, Muslim and Christian people who were born in Jerusalem, they are heartily sick of all the fighting and animosity and just want it to stop. They just want a return to the 'old days' of good friends and neighbours and PEACE !
Unfortunately nobody in the west or in Europe seems to have the guts to do anything about it, Egypt used to try and calm things down but since the change of administration in Cairo things have only got worse.
Many years ago Muslims, Jews and Christians lived side by side in Jerusalem with no friction whatsoever. They were good neighbours, supporting each other in hard times. Then there started a huge influx of Jewish people from all over the world, especially Europe, started by the old Jewish politicians inviting people to 'move into their homeland' and the resulting interference from the western countries to make room for these masses of immigrants imposed borders to separate these once good neighbours. If you talk to older Jewish, Muslim and Christian people who were born in Jerusalem, they are heartily sick of all the fighting and animosity and just want it to stop. They just want a return to the 'old days' of good friends and neighbours and PEACE ! Unfortunately nobody in the west or in Europe seems to have the guts to do anything about it, Egypt used to try and calm things down but since the change of administration in Cairo things have only got worse. mad matt
  • Score: 10

3:43pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there.
'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map'
Nice!
It's not been hidden, why is it ok for Israel to have weapons of mass murder? Have weapons that are banned by the UN? Have poisonous gases? Have undeclared nukes? Have fighter jets? Have tanks? Have the most sophisticated and updated weapons of war?

And why is it a crime for the Palestinians to have hopeless rockets? It would be only fair if the Palestinians were allowed the same!

It wouldn't be fair if we went to play cricket against the aussies in a world cup final with a team of 5 players and plastic bats! Or would you call that fair play????
It's armed conflict not 5 a side! Lives are at stake, its not a kickabout.
You'll be next that Israel should help train and arm the Palestinians so they can better kill Israelis
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there. 'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map' Nice![/p][/quote]It's not been hidden, why is it ok for Israel to have weapons of mass murder? Have weapons that are banned by the UN? Have poisonous gases? Have undeclared nukes? Have fighter jets? Have tanks? Have the most sophisticated and updated weapons of war? And why is it a crime for the Palestinians to have hopeless rockets? It would be only fair if the Palestinians were allowed the same! It wouldn't be fair if we went to play cricket against the aussies in a world cup final with a team of 5 players and plastic bats! Or would you call that fair play????[/p][/quote]It's armed conflict not 5 a side! Lives are at stake, its not a kickabout. You'll be next that Israel should help train and arm the Palestinians so they can better kill Israelis Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -8

3:45pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
justice333@hotmail.c

o.uk
wrote:
People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.
Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!!
David Ward has apologised and backtracked. Not that brave or principaled then.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justice333@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.[/p][/quote]Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!![/p][/quote]David Ward has apologised and backtracked. Not that brave or principaled then. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 16

3:53pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
justice333@hotmail.c


o.uk
wrote:
People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.
Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!!
David Ward has apologised and backtracked. Not that brave or principaled then.
For even speaking out for the number of hours he did, i still salute Mr Ward, it's called politics! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justice333@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.[/p][/quote]Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!![/p][/quote]David Ward has apologised and backtracked. Not that brave or principaled then.[/p][/quote]For even speaking out for the number of hours he did, i still salute Mr Ward, it's called politics! :-) neil007
  • Score: 6

3:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

bradford88 says...

I think its wrong that they are bombimg eachother but I agree with him, put yourself in there position if someone killed your kids, mother or member of my family anyone would want revenge, israel is a terrorist state thats a fact and hamas is the same
I think its wrong that they are bombimg eachother but I agree with him, put yourself in there position if someone killed your kids, mother or member of my family anyone would want revenge, israel is a terrorist state thats a fact and hamas is the same bradford88
  • Score: -9

3:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

chrissyJ@bradford says...

neil007 wrote:
I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court!
Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court![/p][/quote]Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP chrissyJ@bradford
  • Score: 16

4:02pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there.
'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map'
Nice!
It's not been hidden, why is it ok for Israel to have weapons of mass murder? Have weapons that are banned by the UN? Have poisonous gases? Have undeclared nukes? Have fighter jets? Have tanks? Have the most sophisticated and updated weapons of war?

And why is it a crime for the Palestinians to have hopeless rockets? It would be only fair if the Palestinians were allowed the same!

It wouldn't be fair if we went to play cricket against the aussies in a world cup final with a team of 5 players and plastic bats! Or would you call that fair play????
It's armed conflict not 5 a side! Lives are at stake, its not a kickabout.
You'll be next that Israel should help train and arm the Palestinians so they can better kill Israelis
Exactly! Lives are at stake and it isn't a joke! So please don't make a mockery of the blood of the Palestinians! First of all they should be no war, but if there is aleast let it be a fair one, come on USA and Britain, dont just arm the murderous thugs of Israel, give the same to Palestinians, why do you have to always be one sided? Were the zionist your biggest party donors?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]And there it is. You've done well to keep it hidden until now but you've let your guard down there. 'Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map' Nice![/p][/quote]It's not been hidden, why is it ok for Israel to have weapons of mass murder? Have weapons that are banned by the UN? Have poisonous gases? Have undeclared nukes? Have fighter jets? Have tanks? Have the most sophisticated and updated weapons of war? And why is it a crime for the Palestinians to have hopeless rockets? It would be only fair if the Palestinians were allowed the same! It wouldn't be fair if we went to play cricket against the aussies in a world cup final with a team of 5 players and plastic bats! Or would you call that fair play????[/p][/quote]It's armed conflict not 5 a side! Lives are at stake, its not a kickabout. You'll be next that Israel should help train and arm the Palestinians so they can better kill Israelis[/p][/quote]Exactly! Lives are at stake and it isn't a joke! So please don't make a mockery of the blood of the Palestinians! First of all they should be no war, but if there is aleast let it be a fair one, come on USA and Britain, dont just arm the murderous thugs of Israel, give the same to Palestinians, why do you have to always be one sided? Were the zionist your biggest party donors? neil007
  • Score: -13

4:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
neil007 wrote:
justice333@hotmail.c



o.uk
wrote:
People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.
Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!!
David Ward has apologised and backtracked. Not that brave or principaled then.
For even speaking out for the number of hours he did, i still salute Mr Ward, it's called politics! :-)
He's backtracked so he doesn't get kicked out of the Lib Dems for not toeing the party line. He doesn't want to lose the cushy little job so rather than stand up for what he believes in he's bottled it and retracted his statement.
Not that I agree with him but fair play for him saying it in the first place. Would have actually been worth something though if he'd had the balls to back it up instead of bottling it.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justice333@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: People have commented why so much hate against Israel? History lesson. The Gazan people invited guests into their homes the (Israeli's) and now they persist in the genocide of removing these Gazans from their homes and land. When will the World stick up to these war crimes and help the Gazans. Day in day out they cannot plough their fields, tend their cattle, educate their children due of curfews and surveillance by Mossad and the Israeli Police. At the other extreme Egypt is closing border and tunnels that was the only hope of bringing food and every day essentails. One Israeli dies, whereas hundreds if not thousands die in Palestine. The idiots yell go 'GO Israel' a few still remain from the Nutcracker Man period. Litracy rates in the US and Britiain are fallen. The 'oppressed' in the second world war are now the oppressors. I would vote for this man any day. David Ward. Wake up people if you truly believe in justice.[/p][/quote]Very well said! I'm glad there is some people out there that see this inhumane massacre of helpless people! I'v not really been a fan of David Ward but i assure you my countless support for this brave transparent MP in the next elections if you stand. You have just bagged some valuable votes Sir !!![/p][/quote]David Ward has apologised and backtracked. Not that brave or principaled then.[/p][/quote]For even speaking out for the number of hours he did, i still salute Mr Ward, it's called politics! :-)[/p][/quote]He's backtracked so he doesn't get kicked out of the Lib Dems for not toeing the party line. He doesn't want to lose the cushy little job so rather than stand up for what he believes in he's bottled it and retracted his statement. Not that I agree with him but fair play for him saying it in the first place. Would have actually been worth something though if he'd had the balls to back it up instead of bottling it. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -4

4:08pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

chrissyJ@bradford wrote:
neil007 wrote:
I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court!
Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP
It's ok for Cameron and Obama to defend the dog netanyahu for the killing of children and women! I'll defend the Rt Honourable Mr David Ward for speaking up the truth !
[quote][p][bold]chrissyJ@bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court![/p][/quote]Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP[/p][/quote]It's ok for Cameron and Obama to defend the dog netanyahu for the killing of children and women! I'll defend the Rt Honourable Mr David Ward for speaking up the truth ! neil007
  • Score: -12

4:26pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c***

But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c*** But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure) Andy2010
  • Score: 14

4:38pm Wed 23 Jul 14

john/garage says...

DAVID WARD CURRYING FAVOUR FOR CHEAP VOTES THE MASTER OF CHEAP TRICKS DISGUSTING MAN THIS JUST SHOWS HIS TRUE COLOURS GET RID
DAVID WARD CURRYING FAVOUR FOR CHEAP VOTES THE MASTER OF CHEAP TRICKS DISGUSTING MAN THIS JUST SHOWS HIS TRUE COLOURS GET RID john/garage
  • Score: -3

4:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Where is the middle east envoy Blair in all of this?

He should be sent into Gaza with a huge target painted on his back, everybody would want a shot at that gurning, treacherous tosser.
Where is the middle east envoy Blair in all of this? He should be sent into Gaza with a huge target painted on his back, everybody would want a shot at that gurning, treacherous tosser. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 22

4:44pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c***

But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)
So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****!

I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters!

I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c*** But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)[/p][/quote]So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****! I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters! I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust? neil007
  • Score: 1

4:48pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Peace80 says...

The Right Honourable MP has spoken from the heart as opposed to the political spin that we hear on a daily basis. His comments from a person in his position may be deemed to inappropriate by many, but we should consider the true facts in Gaza as they stand.

1. This current conflict was not as a direct result of the unfortunate killing of three Israeli teenagers for which I hasten to add that no evidence has been presented linking Hamas to this. Rather if we consider the time line,firstly we should consider May 20th 2014 where two unarmed teenage Palestinians were shot dead and another wounded. In addition to this between Jan 2014 and June 2014 ,14 Palestinians were killed with another 170 injured. So the breach of the ceasefire agreement that took place in 2012 was in fact breached by the Israelis and not the Palestinians. Furthermore this agreement was in fact never complied with by the Israelis as the siege of Gaza was never lifted.

2. The Palestinian's have a right under International Law to defend themselves. This conflict can never be described as a war, this is never a war but a brutal massacre and continued Genocide of the people of Palestine from one of the most technological advanced armies in the world.

In order for true peace,Israel needs to meet its obligations under International law for those who are in still in doubt as to whether Israel meets it's obligation, then look at how many United Nations Resolutions have been breached by Israel and continue to be breached. Peace can only happen when Israel stops building settlements on occupied land and then both parties can come to the table with clean hands. We as humans should pray and support peace and ensure that all parties meet their obligations.
The Right Honourable MP has spoken from the heart as opposed to the political spin that we hear on a daily basis. His comments from a person in his position may be deemed to inappropriate by many, but we should consider the true facts in Gaza as they stand. 1. This current conflict was not as a direct result of the unfortunate killing of three Israeli teenagers for which I hasten to add that no evidence has been presented linking Hamas to this. Rather if we consider the time line,firstly we should consider May 20th 2014 where two unarmed teenage Palestinians were shot dead and another wounded. In addition to this between Jan 2014 and June 2014 ,14 Palestinians were killed with another 170 injured. So the breach of the ceasefire agreement that took place in 2012 was in fact breached by the Israelis and not the Palestinians. Furthermore this agreement was in fact never complied with by the Israelis as the siege of Gaza was never lifted. 2. The Palestinian's have a right under International Law to defend themselves. This conflict can never be described as a war, this is never a war but a brutal massacre and continued Genocide of the people of Palestine from one of the most technological advanced armies in the world. In order for true peace,Israel needs to meet its obligations under International law for those who are in still in doubt as to whether Israel meets it's obligation, then look at how many United Nations Resolutions have been breached by Israel and continue to be breached. Peace can only happen when Israel stops building settlements on occupied land and then both parties can come to the table with clean hands. We as humans should pray and support peace and ensure that all parties meet their obligations. Peace80
  • Score: 6

4:50pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

john/garage wrote:
DAVID WARD CURRYING FAVOUR FOR CHEAP VOTES THE MASTER OF CHEAP TRICKS DISGUSTING MAN THIS JUST SHOWS HIS TRUE COLOURS GET RID
Lol it's 25 degrees outside! Get a can of Stella and get your sen outside! Lol stop being inhumane and denounce the atrocities faced by the Palestinians!
[quote][p][bold]john/garage[/bold] wrote: DAVID WARD CURRYING FAVOUR FOR CHEAP VOTES THE MASTER OF CHEAP TRICKS DISGUSTING MAN THIS JUST SHOWS HIS TRUE COLOURS GET RID[/p][/quote]Lol it's 25 degrees outside! Get a can of Stella and get your sen outside! Lol stop being inhumane and denounce the atrocities faced by the Palestinians! neil007
  • Score: -1

4:51pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c***

But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)
So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****!

I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters!

I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust?
This is nothing like the holocaust and you know it.
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c*** But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)[/p][/quote]So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****! I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters! I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust?[/p][/quote]This is nothing like the holocaust and you know it. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it. webshow
  • Score: 4

5:00pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

We seen to getting side tracked here but David Ward has a right to express his opinion without the bulldogs barking him down.
The current conflict without having people fabricating started with the deaths of 3 Israeli teenagers. Hamas denied any involvement. It could have
been a simple murder and detective issue but Israel decided to round up all the Palestinians violently and kill a few of them. This led to Hamas launching their toy rockets. It could have all been avoided but the current Israeli leadership is not interested in peace. Even the Israeli press Haaretz have a headline that the current Israeli attack is for revenge.
http://www.haaretz.c
om/opinion/.premium-
1.606645
We seen to getting side tracked here but David Ward has a right to express his opinion without the bulldogs barking him down. The current conflict without having people fabricating started with the deaths of 3 Israeli teenagers. Hamas denied any involvement. It could have been a simple murder and detective issue but Israel decided to round up all the Palestinians violently and kill a few of them. This led to Hamas launching their toy rockets. It could have all been avoided but the current Israeli leadership is not interested in peace. Even the Israeli press Haaretz have a headline that the current Israeli attack is for revenge. http://www.haaretz.c om/opinion/.premium- 1.606645 webshow
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
As if IDF would feel the pain of ISIS. They've not come up against a decent organised army like Israel yet. The Kurds managed to keep them in check. Israel would absolutely destroy the little c0cksuckers and the world would be a better place for it.
Speaking of ISIS, how many Muslims have they killed recently? Oh my mistake, they're the wrong kind of Muslims so they don't count.
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]As if IDF would feel the pain of ISIS. They've not come up against a decent organised army like Israel yet. The Kurds managed to keep them in check. Israel would absolutely destroy the little c0cksuckers and the world would be a better place for it. Speaking of ISIS, how many Muslims have they killed recently? Oh my mistake, they're the wrong kind of Muslims so they don't count. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c***

But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)
So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****!

I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters!

I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust?
Freedom fighters lol

Funnily enough Al Qaeda were once called exactly the same. Couldn't every single terrorist ever be redefined as a freedom fighter under your reasoning then?

Top and bottom of this and lets face it some people agree with Israel some with Palestine. Neither are right.

I hope Israel succeed by whatever means required, you dont....thats it really...end of
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c*** But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)[/p][/quote]So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****! I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters! I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust?[/p][/quote]Freedom fighters lol Funnily enough Al Qaeda were once called exactly the same. Couldn't every single terrorist ever be redefined as a freedom fighter under your reasoning then? Top and bottom of this and lets face it some people agree with Israel some with Palestine. Neither are right. I hope Israel succeed by whatever means required, you dont....thats it really...end of Andy2010
  • Score: -2

5:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mrbritton says...

neil007 wrote:
mrbritton wrote:
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors!

To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?
They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.[/p][/quote]You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors! To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?[/p][/quote]They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides mrbritton
  • Score: -5

5:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
As if IDF would feel the pain of ISIS. They've not come up against a decent organised army like Israel yet. The Kurds managed to keep them in check. Israel would absolutely destroy the little c0cksuckers and the world would be a better place for it.
Speaking of ISIS, how many Muslims have they killed recently? Oh my mistake, they're the wrong kind of Muslims so they don't count.
Exactly

Some of the posters on here simply think that because the borders are "closed" (even the Egypt one) that ISIS are no in Palestine.

Complete and utter fools.

Lets hope IDF weed them out and wipe them of the face of the earth
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]As if IDF would feel the pain of ISIS. They've not come up against a decent organised army like Israel yet. The Kurds managed to keep them in check. Israel would absolutely destroy the little c0cksuckers and the world would be a better place for it. Speaking of ISIS, how many Muslims have they killed recently? Oh my mistake, they're the wrong kind of Muslims so they don't count.[/p][/quote]Exactly Some of the posters on here simply think that because the borders are "closed" (even the Egypt one) that ISIS are no in Palestine. Complete and utter fools. Lets hope IDF weed them out and wipe them of the face of the earth Andy2010
  • Score: -3

5:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

Seeing as how we are always having the holocaust rammed down our throats at every opportunity by the Zionist owned media in order to try and justify the existence of Israel, can we expect to have a "Gaza slaughter of the innocents day" as well?
Seeing as how we are always having the holocaust rammed down our throats at every opportunity by the Zionist owned media in order to try and justify the existence of Israel, can we expect to have a "Gaza slaughter of the innocents day" as well? Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 3

5:12pm Wed 23 Jul 14

bradfordian says...

Utter genocide in Gaza.
Utter genocide in Gaza. bradfordian
  • Score: 10

5:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place.

Thankfully no-one's buying it :)
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place. Thankfully no-one's buying it :) Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 6

5:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place.

Thankfully no-one's buying it :)
So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them?

Maybe you are being paid by Hamas?

In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel.

But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place. Thankfully no-one's buying it :)[/p][/quote]So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them? Maybe you are being paid by Hamas? In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel. But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya Andy2010
  • Score: -4

5:39pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them
You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists!
So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible.

Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been.

Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first
Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace!
The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c***

But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)
So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****!

I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters!

I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust?
Freedom fighters lol

Funnily enough Al Qaeda were once called exactly the same. Couldn't every single terrorist ever be redefined as a freedom fighter under your reasoning then?

Top and bottom of this and lets face it some people agree with Israel some with Palestine. Neither are right.

I hope Israel succeed by whatever means required, you dont....thats it really...end of
Yes freedom fighters! These people are fighting for their land back from the Israeli scums! You probably think stealing land from their rightful owners is a good thing......you obviously are a supporter of oppression!

I love the point you made regarding Al Qaeda...i don't see them as freedom fighters but the USA and all its allies called them freedom fighters when they created the group and trained Bin Laden to fight the soviets! I bet you called them freedom fighters too until they turned their guns on us and led us into a war lasting over a decade, killed thousands of our coalition troops gave us a bloody good hiding until we begged them to sit down and talk to us! LOL

Anyways this genocide of the Palestinians will not finish and the brave Palestinians will not give up to the last bit of their blood! The saying is easy said about the last bit of blood but these brave people of Palestine will materialise that saying!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]And its Hamas that are putting their children and civilians in the way not Israel targeting them[/p][/quote]You really need to do homework! How is hamas putting the children in the way? The Israelis demanded they leave, but to where? They have no where to run or hide in the concentration camp! Wherever they hide they get bombed by these Israeli terrorists![/p][/quote]So if for example Russia said they would be bombing us here and even annoucned targets you wouldnt take you family and leave as far away as possible. Its because Hamas are refusing them access to leave as they are using them as shields. Wake up and smell the coffee. The only terrorists here are Hamas and Israel need to wipe them out of existence. Maybe the people of Palestine will then wake up and see what mugs they have been. Thats if ISIS dont get a hold first[/p][/quote]Do some research you dosy ****! Where can the Palestinians run? They locked in a cage by the illegitimate regime of Israel! I really wish the Israelis did this to you and how you would go about it! I just hope the Palestinians get some proper firepower and wipe the terrorist Israelis off the map! Until there is zionist in this world, this place would never be at peace![/p][/quote]The peace camps set up by the UN you dozy c*** But in one paragraph you have summed up your feeling siding with the terrorists. People like yourself always come out in the end (and not in a gay way...well you might be...not sure)[/p][/quote]So your saying the Israeli terrorists have never attacked any refugee camps? Any hospitals? Any schools you dosy ****! I have summed up my feeling siding with terrorists? Lol your right with the first bit but not with the second point you make! There are fighting for their rights and therefore are freedom fighters! I openly support the Palestinian cause for freedom, so there is nothing to hide, i don't approve of violence, but if the Palestinians are massacred in a similar way these Jews were massacred by Hitler, is it really bad to show your support to the oppressed people of Palestine? It's very good and a humane act to denounce the holocaust but who is going to denounce this act of holocaust?[/p][/quote]Freedom fighters lol Funnily enough Al Qaeda were once called exactly the same. Couldn't every single terrorist ever be redefined as a freedom fighter under your reasoning then? Top and bottom of this and lets face it some people agree with Israel some with Palestine. Neither are right. I hope Israel succeed by whatever means required, you dont....thats it really...end of[/p][/quote]Yes freedom fighters! These people are fighting for their land back from the Israeli scums! You probably think stealing land from their rightful owners is a good thing......you obviously are a supporter of oppression! I love the point you made regarding Al Qaeda...i don't see them as freedom fighters but the USA and all its allies called them freedom fighters when they created the group and trained Bin Laden to fight the soviets! I bet you called them freedom fighters too until they turned their guns on us and led us into a war lasting over a decade, killed thousands of our coalition troops gave us a bloody good hiding until we begged them to sit down and talk to us! LOL Anyways this genocide of the Palestinians will not finish and the brave Palestinians will not give up to the last bit of their blood! The saying is easy said about the last bit of blood but these brave people of Palestine will materialise that saying! neil007
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Unbelievable to the read the comments of so many heartless people in Bradford! Imagine a genocide in bradford? How would we react? Lol

People have their comments based on religion, it's meant to be feelings upon fellow humans and how to denounce this massacre of innocent civilians!
Unbelievable to the read the comments of so many heartless people in Bradford! Imagine a genocide in bradford? How would we react? Lol People have their comments based on religion, it's meant to be feelings upon fellow humans and how to denounce this massacre of innocent civilians! neil007
  • Score: 4

6:01pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

mrbritton wrote:
neil007 wrote:
mrbritton wrote:
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors!

To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?
They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides
They won't come to the table because they haven't been invited to the table by the Egyptians! The Egyptians have tried brokering a ceasefire with the Israelis! How can a ceasefire be possible???

The Palestinians do believe in what they say, how could the afford to buy troops? Uniforms? Artillery? When the so called civilised western powers along with Israel have put sanctions on them, sealed all there borders, they have no income and are allowed nothing! They barely get a supply of proper medical and food needs, how are they meant to buy troops or uniforms? To the people of Palestine, there are there true democratic guardians, you don't have to have 3 stars on your shoulders to a declare a war! These helpless people are defending there land with sticks, stones and some rockets that fly anyway!
[quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.[/p][/quote]You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors! To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?[/p][/quote]They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides[/p][/quote]They won't come to the table because they haven't been invited to the table by the Egyptians! The Egyptians have tried brokering a ceasefire with the Israelis! How can a ceasefire be possible??? The Palestinians do believe in what they say, how could the afford to buy troops? Uniforms? Artillery? When the so called civilised western powers along with Israel have put sanctions on them, sealed all there borders, they have no income and are allowed nothing! They barely get a supply of proper medical and food needs, how are they meant to buy troops or uniforms? To the people of Palestine, there are there true democratic guardians, you don't have to have 3 stars on your shoulders to a declare a war! These helpless people are defending there land with sticks, stones and some rockets that fly anyway! neil007
  • Score: 7

6:03pm Wed 23 Jul 14

tinytoonster says...

i'dliketosay wrote:
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
are they not just retaliating to their rockets?
takes two to have a war!
maybe if they stop firing rockets in the first place they might get sympathy.
why should we interfere in everything, sort our own problems at home first.
[quote][p][bold]i'dliketosay[/bold] wrote: I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight[/p][/quote]are they not just retaliating to their rockets? takes two to have a war! maybe if they stop firing rockets in the first place they might get sympathy. why should we interfere in everything, sort our own problems at home first. tinytoonster
  • Score: -7

6:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place.

Thankfully no-one's buying it :)
So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them?

Maybe you are being paid by Hamas?

In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel.

But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya
BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place. Thankfully no-one's buying it :)[/p][/quote]So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them? Maybe you are being paid by Hamas? In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel. But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya[/p][/quote]BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza... Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 1

6:11pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place.

Thankfully no-one's buying it :)
So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them?

Maybe you are being paid by Hamas?

In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel.

But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya
BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...
Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place. Thankfully no-one's buying it :)[/p][/quote]So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them? Maybe you are being paid by Hamas? In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel. But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya[/p][/quote]BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...[/p][/quote]Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol neil007
  • Score: 2

6:18pm Wed 23 Jul 14

neil007 says...

tinytoonster wrote:
i'dliketosay wrote:
I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight.
It needs to be in the spotlight
are they not just retaliating to their rockets?
takes two to have a war!
maybe if they stop firing rockets in the first place they might get sympathy.
why should we interfere in everything, sort our own problems at home first.
Maybe you should look into the long history of oppression of the Palestinian people and you might just then show a little sympathy! Until then do try to convince your local government to sort our problems out. I could do with an increase in winter fuel allowance..hmmm
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]i'dliketosay[/bold] wrote: I do not agree with bombing innocent people. However, the defeaning silence from the world on the attrocities perpetrated by Israel in the name of 'defence' is sickening. 4'000 casualties, 600 Paleatinians murdered and no end in sight. It needs to be in the spotlight[/p][/quote]are they not just retaliating to their rockets? takes two to have a war! maybe if they stop firing rockets in the first place they might get sympathy. why should we interfere in everything, sort our own problems at home first.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should look into the long history of oppression of the Palestinian people and you might just then show a little sympathy! Until then do try to convince your local government to sort our problems out. I could do with an increase in winter fuel allowance..hmmm neil007
  • Score: -3

6:44pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mrbritton says...

neil007 wrote:
mrbritton wrote:
neil007 wrote:
mrbritton wrote:
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors!

To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?
They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides
They won't come to the table because they haven't been invited to the table by the Egyptians! The Egyptians have tried brokering a ceasefire with the Israelis! How can a ceasefire be possible???

The Palestinians do believe in what they say, how could the afford to buy troops? Uniforms? Artillery? When the so called civilised western powers along with Israel have put sanctions on them, sealed all there borders, they have no income and are allowed nothing! They barely get a supply of proper medical and food needs, how are they meant to buy troops or uniforms? To the people of Palestine, there are there true democratic guardians, you don't have to have 3 stars on your shoulders to a declare a war! These helpless people are defending there land with sticks, stones and some rockets that fly anyway!
Well Nei007, I hope that with your great Knowledge you'll understand that is was this fine and pleasant land that we call home that gave the Jews Israel, so really if anyone is to blame it is the British. Maybe it was an experiment, I now not. What I do now is it's nothing to do with some wannabe half cocked M.P from Bradford to say that it's right to fire rockets at anyone. This man is a racist fool !!
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.[/p][/quote]You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors! To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?[/p][/quote]They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides[/p][/quote]They won't come to the table because they haven't been invited to the table by the Egyptians! The Egyptians have tried brokering a ceasefire with the Israelis! How can a ceasefire be possible??? The Palestinians do believe in what they say, how could the afford to buy troops? Uniforms? Artillery? When the so called civilised western powers along with Israel have put sanctions on them, sealed all there borders, they have no income and are allowed nothing! They barely get a supply of proper medical and food needs, how are they meant to buy troops or uniforms? To the people of Palestine, there are there true democratic guardians, you don't have to have 3 stars on your shoulders to a declare a war! These helpless people are defending there land with sticks, stones and some rockets that fly anyway![/p][/quote]Well Nei007, I hope that with your great Knowledge you'll understand that is was this fine and pleasant land that we call home that gave the Jews Israel, so really if anyone is to blame it is the British. Maybe it was an experiment, I now not. What I do now is it's nothing to do with some wannabe half cocked M.P from Bradford to say that it's right to fire rockets at anyone. This man is a racist fool !! mrbritton
  • Score: -3

6:54pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Ward ran his mouth off and hey ho he backtracked so he can line his own pocket.
If you lot raving for the Palastinians feel so sorry for them, why don't you go out and join them if you feel so strongly. It will save you mouthing off from afar.
This now has nothing to do with us and we know to keep out of the middle east thanks to Liebore taking us there in recent times.
Ward ran his mouth off and hey ho he backtracked so he can line his own pocket. If you lot raving for the Palastinians feel so sorry for them, why don't you go out and join them if you feel so strongly. It will save you mouthing off from afar. This now has nothing to do with us and we know to keep out of the middle east thanks to Liebore taking us there in recent times. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 4

7:18pm Wed 23 Jul 14

chrissyJ@bradford says...

neil007 wrote:
chrissyJ@bradford wrote:
neil007 wrote:
I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court!
Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP
It's ok for Cameron and Obama to defend the dog netanyahu for the killing of children and women! I'll defend the Rt Honourable Mr David Ward for speaking up the truth !
Interesting response, are you asking me or telling me its ok for them to defend the Israeli prime minister? In my comment earlier i stated that I don't support the use of violence on either side, I'm defending no one, but I am questioning the integrity and 'honourability' of a locally elected MP who is inciting/encouraging others to support acts of violence on equally innocent women and children in Israel, or are there no innocents in Israel? see his quote 'if I lived in Gaza would I fire a rocket - the answer is - probably yes ?' un quote . don't be fooled in to thinking he is any better than the political idiots we have now, he is purely in this for himself, he hopes to increase his support, to enable him to keep a job, which ensures him quite a nice lifestyle. And as for the truth, what is the truth?
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrissyJ@bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court![/p][/quote]Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP[/p][/quote]It's ok for Cameron and Obama to defend the dog netanyahu for the killing of children and women! I'll defend the Rt Honourable Mr David Ward for speaking up the truth ![/p][/quote]Interesting response, are you asking me or telling me its ok for them to defend the Israeli prime minister? In my comment earlier i stated that I don't support the use of violence on either side, I'm defending no one, but I am questioning the integrity and 'honourability' of a locally elected MP who is inciting/encouraging others to support acts of violence on equally innocent women and children in Israel, or are there no innocents in Israel? see his quote 'if I lived in Gaza would I fire a rocket - the answer is - probably yes ?' un quote . don't be fooled in to thinking he is any better than the political idiots we have now, he is purely in this for himself, he hopes to increase his support, to enable him to keep a job, which ensures him quite a nice lifestyle. And as for the truth, what is the truth? chrissyJ@bradford
  • Score: 0

7:26pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Wanna Have says...

Israel are not going to listen to reason they are attacking and killing a civilian population with a first world army.
I don't like to think how morally you could don one of those IDF (defence force what a ironic statement that is) uniforms and pound civilian area's containing those poor kids with dart filled missiles.
The IDF and the Israel citizens are the lowest of the low.
Yes the Palastianians have fired these rockets which are easily brought down, I hate to say it but the only way the Palastianians can resist this and prevent total anniliation is by turning the region into Afgan/Iraqand exporting their fight to softer foreign Israel allies.
Sad that though as the majority of British people are disgusted by the IDF, it's our government that are the problem.
Israel are not going to listen to reason they are attacking and killing a civilian population with a first world army. I don't like to think how morally you could don one of those IDF (defence force what a ironic statement that is) uniforms and pound civilian area's containing those poor kids with dart filled missiles. The IDF and the Israel citizens are the lowest of the low. Yes the Palastianians have fired these rockets which are easily brought down, I hate to say it but the only way the Palastianians can resist this and prevent total anniliation is by turning the region into Afgan/Iraqand exporting their fight to softer foreign Israel allies. Sad that though as the majority of British people are disgusted by the IDF, it's our government that are the problem. Wanna Have
  • Score: -1

7:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

chrissyJ@bradford says...

neil007 wrote:
chrissyJ@bradford wrote:
neil007 wrote:
I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court!
Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP
It's ok for Cameron and Obama to defend the dog netanyahu for the killing of children and women! I'll defend the Rt Honourable Mr David Ward for speaking up the truth !
Are you asking me or telling me it is ok to defend the Israeli Prime Minister?

As I commented earlier, I do not condone the violence on either side, I do question the judgement and 'Honourability' of an MP who clearly is inciting extreme acts of violence on equally innocent women and children, or are there no innocent Israelis ?
Think again before saluting such a man and consider his loyalties, I suggest this man is ensuring he rakes in or at least maintains popularity with his current voters to help him maintain a rather 'nice' lifestyle .Ooh I do hope he has online T&A and bothers to read the comments and perhaps gives his own reasoning for his barbaric comment
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrissyJ@bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: I wholeheartedly congratulate the honourable Mr Ward on making this comment! How can the rest of the world not see sense in the massacre against the Palestinians? How can the "civilised, human caring" British people and in particular our leaders stay quiet and observe this great tragedy of the Palestinian people? How can you let it go on? The rockets will never stop until the murderous Israelis carry on there bombing campaign of innocent civilians! How could these people kill innocent children and women indiscriminately and not be punished? This has to be raised in our parliament by the likes of brave transparent people like Mr David Ward to pursue these murderous Israeli thugs to the international criminal court![/p][/quote]Congratulate him on condoning firing Rockets ? Brave Mr Ward? I hardly think suggesting the use of any firearm/ rocket etc is brave or honourable. By the way I do not agree with either sides use of violence, pressure is required to make people talk not fight. Encouraging continued escalation of violence is totally irresponsible of an MP[/p][/quote]It's ok for Cameron and Obama to defend the dog netanyahu for the killing of children and women! I'll defend the Rt Honourable Mr David Ward for speaking up the truth ![/p][/quote]Are you asking me or telling me it is ok to defend the Israeli Prime Minister? As I commented earlier, I do not condone the violence on either side, I do question the judgement and 'Honourability' of an MP who clearly is inciting extreme acts of violence on equally innocent women and children, or are there no innocent Israelis ? Think again before saluting such a man and consider his loyalties, I suggest this man is ensuring he rakes in or at least maintains popularity with his current voters to help him maintain a rather 'nice' lifestyle .Ooh I do hope he has online T&A and bothers to read the comments and perhaps gives his own reasoning for his barbaric comment chrissyJ@bradford
  • Score: 4

7:34pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Wanna Have says...

mrbritton wrote:
neil007 wrote:
mrbritton wrote:
If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.
You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors!

To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?
They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides
If the Israel's had killed your women and children with dart bombs would you be in the mood for talking.
[quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrbritton[/bold] wrote: If hamas are such great people then can someone please just explain why Egypt have closed their boarders to them ? This is a country that stands shoulder to shoulder with Palestine or it did until Hamas took power. One more question, someone has wrote that Hamas protect their people, if this is so why don't they agree to the ceasefire and at least let the medics do their jobs without bombs going off where they are working. This is an horrific war but bombs will not solve the problem.[/p][/quote]You obviously need to do some home work! Don't go back 15 days, go back to the origins of this conflict! Hamas are the defenders of there home land and trying to fight with their murderous enemy who have oppressed and have stole their land for the past 70 odd years! Egypt has closed the borders on the Palestinians because the new Egyptian government is a puppet and controlled by the US and Israel, if the Egyptians don't do as there are told, the government will not get billion dollars of funds there receive yearly and there fore will not be able to become millionaires whilst there in power! The Egyptian government is as bad as the murderous oppressors! To your last question, why should they agree on a ceasefire that there not included in? They have no details of the ceasefire and yet they should agree to it? Are you people ok in the head? Where is the logic in this? Egyptians brokered a ceasefire not so long ago, the ceasefire conditions were met and brokered between the Egyptians and Israelis, where were the Palestinians in this? Don't you think it would have been a good idea for the Palestinians to be sat on the other side of the table to negotiate the ceasefire?[/p][/quote]They won't come to the table, Hamas have said they will not agree a ceasefire and will not talk to anyone they will just hide in public buildings and fire rockets. If they are really up for what they believe in they should buy all their "troops" uniforms and declare war. No they hide and dress like civilians because they are terrorists, not only has Eygpt turned their back on them but so has Iran, now tell me that it's so they can get billions from the U.K & U.S.A Hmmmm probably not, they turned their backs because they will not be caught in the trap of backing a terrorist group. Hamas want nothing more than a war, a war they can't win, whether you back them or not, they can not win this war all they are doing is killing their own people. Israel isn't going away, they are not going to pack up and leave so Hamas need to deal with it. The U.S.A are there now and will bend over backwards to help both sides but Hamas won't accept the help offered because they want to fight. End Of. I really don't care who wins, who loses or who has the most guns, I live 1000's of miles away but what I do care about are the Old folk and Kids who have no say in what is happening getting killed on both sides[/p][/quote]If the Israel's had killed your women and children with dart bombs would you be in the mood for talking. Wanna Have
  • Score: -5

7:37pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

An update on the Israeli attack on Gaza.
The UN are now calling this a 'war crime'.
"There seems to be a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes," Ms Pillay said.

But don't hold your breath that any Israeli will face trial.
And everyone knows why.
An update on the Israeli attack on Gaza. The UN are now calling this a 'war crime'. "There seems to be a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes," Ms Pillay said. But don't hold your breath that any Israeli will face trial. And everyone knows why. webshow
  • Score: -5

8:06pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

neil007 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place.

Thankfully no-one's buying it :)
So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them?

Maybe you are being paid by Hamas?

In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel.

But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya
BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...
Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol
Apologies as at work so wasn't able to reply in the timely manner you wanted

Anyway if you want to check out a site called best gore... Just Google it... There are various videos on there of isis in Palestine... Also quite a few nice ones of hamas killing Jews for balance

Can't link from here as not allowed access to that site on work pc but sure you can find them for yourself

Anyway enjoy the videos and also the humble pie.... Idiots
[quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place. Thankfully no-one's buying it :)[/p][/quote]So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them? Maybe you are being paid by Hamas? In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel. But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya[/p][/quote]BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...[/p][/quote]Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol[/p][/quote]Apologies as at work so wasn't able to reply in the timely manner you wanted Anyway if you want to check out a site called best gore... Just Google it... There are various videos on there of isis in Palestine... Also quite a few nice ones of hamas killing Jews for balance Can't link from here as not allowed access to that site on work pc but sure you can find them for yourself Anyway enjoy the videos and also the humble pie.... Idiots Andy2010
  • Score: 2

8:06pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

Navi Pillay told an emergency debate at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva that Israel's military offensive had not done enough to protect civilians.

Referring to a 16 July Israeli air strike that killed children playing on a beach in Gaza, Ms Pillay said "the disregard for international humanitarian law and for the right to life was shockingly evident".

The truth is out.
Navi Pillay told an emergency debate at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva that Israel's military offensive had not done enough to protect civilians. Referring to a 16 July Israeli air strike that killed children playing on a beach in Gaza, Ms Pillay said "the disregard for international humanitarian law and for the right to life was shockingly evident". The truth is out. webshow
  • Score: -3

8:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

The UN says about 74% of those killed in Gaza are civilians, with medical clinics among the facilities hit by air strikes.

Kyung-wha Kang, the assistant secretary-general at the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said civilians in Gaza had no safe to place to go "as 44% of the land has been declared a 'no-go zone' by the Israeli army".

"Families are taking the heart-wrenching decision to split to different locations - mother and son to one; father and daughter to another - hoping to maximise the chance one part of the family survives."
The UN says about 74% of those killed in Gaza are civilians, with medical clinics among the facilities hit by air strikes. Kyung-wha Kang, the assistant secretary-general at the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, said civilians in Gaza had no safe to place to go "as 44% of the land has been declared a 'no-go zone' by the Israeli army". "Families are taking the heart-wrenching decision to split to different locations - mother and son to one; father and daughter to another - hoping to maximise the chance one part of the family survives." webshow
  • Score: 1

8:09pm Wed 23 Jul 14

webshow says...

If anyone contests this you can read the full account at BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/world-middle-e
ast-28437626

The Palestinians are getting a raw deal and being killed for that too.
If anyone contests this you can read the full account at BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-middle-e ast-28437626 The Palestinians are getting a raw deal and being killed for that too. webshow
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place.

Thankfully no-one's buying it :)
So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them?

Maybe you are being paid by Hamas?

In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel.

But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya
BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...
Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol
Apologies as at work so wasn't able to reply in the timely manner you wanted

Anyway if you want to check out a site called best gore... Just Google it... There are various videos on there of isis in Palestine... Also quite a few nice ones of hamas killing Jews for balance

Can't link from here as not allowed access to that site on work pc but sure you can find them for yourself

Anyway enjoy the videos and also the humble pie.... Idiots
Yeah, some guys in Iraq (or Syria) saying they're in Gaza, lulz.

You're so pathetic, Andy.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place. Thankfully no-one's buying it :)[/p][/quote]So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them? Maybe you are being paid by Hamas? In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel. But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya[/p][/quote]BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...[/p][/quote]Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol[/p][/quote]Apologies as at work so wasn't able to reply in the timely manner you wanted Anyway if you want to check out a site called best gore... Just Google it... There are various videos on there of isis in Palestine... Also quite a few nice ones of hamas killing Jews for balance Can't link from here as not allowed access to that site on work pc but sure you can find them for yourself Anyway enjoy the videos and also the humble pie.... Idiots[/p][/quote]Yeah, some guys in Iraq (or Syria) saying they're in Gaza, lulz. You're so pathetic, Andy. Robin of Loxley
  • Score: -2

8:26pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
neil007 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Robin of Loxley wrote:
webshow wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming.

Israel are simply acting proactively here
ISIS are not in Gaza.
What planet do you live?
ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain.
No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.
Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place.

Thankfully no-one's buying it :)
So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them?

Maybe you are being paid by Hamas?

In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel.

But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya
BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...
Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol
Apologies as at work so wasn't able to reply in the timely manner you wanted

Anyway if you want to check out a site called best gore... Just Google it... There are various videos on there of isis in Palestine... Also quite a few nice ones of hamas killing Jews for balance

Can't link from here as not allowed access to that site on work pc but sure you can find them for yourself

Anyway enjoy the videos and also the humble pie.... Idiots
Yeah, some guys in Iraq (or Syria) saying they're in Gaza, lulz.

You're so pathetic, Andy.
Yeah stood in the grounds of radwan castle...please explain how isis are broadcasting for there then


You just can't admit the truth

Either that or your in favour of isis
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neil007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I would suggest some on here look into other reasons why Israel are attacking. Like the fact that ISIS have now infiltrated Palestine and you only need to have a quick look at some of their videos online (if you have a strong stomach) to see what coming. Israel are simply acting proactively here[/p][/quote]ISIS are not in Gaza. What planet do you live? ISIS are in Syria & Iraq and if they were in Gaza IDF would feel the pain. No, the Gaza attack by the oppressors is nothing to do with peace but all about teaching the Palestinians pain, suffering and giving them the message we have your land are keeping it.[/p][/quote]Andy's probably being paid by Israel to spread his BS all over the place. Thankfully no-one's buying it :)[/p][/quote]So anyone siding with Israel (even though that irrelevent) is being paid by them? Maybe you are being paid by Hamas? In reality I know you are not because that would be stupid as would I being paid by Israel. But feel free to throw out the corruption option when someone disagrees wont ya[/p][/quote]BTW, still waiting for that link re. ISIS in Gaza...[/p][/quote]Andy2010 has run out of excuses lol[/p][/quote]Apologies as at work so wasn't able to reply in the timely manner you wanted Anyway if you want to check out a site called best gore... Just Google it... There are various videos on there of isis in Palestine... Also quite a few nice ones of hamas killing Jews for balance Can't link from here as not allowed access to that site on work pc but sure you can find them for yourself Anyway enjoy the videos and also the humble pie.... Idiots[/p][/quote]Yeah, some guys in Iraq (or Syria) saying they're in Gaza, lulz. You're so pathetic, Andy.[/p][/quote]Yeah stood in the grounds of radwan castle...please explain how isis are broadcasting for there then You just can't admit the truth Either that or your in favour of isis Andy2010
  • Score: -1

8:36pm Wed 23 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

Simple solution, resign or be kicked out!
Simple solution, resign or be kicked out! alive and awake
  • Score: -4

9:10pm Wed 23 Jul 14

bradford88 says...

Israel the jewish extremists will pay for all the innocent people they have killed, plain and simple war crimes by the terrorists, hopefully the arab world will defend palestine and give israel what they deserve for there wat crimes, jews complain about the hollocost but murder thousounds of innocent people them self
Israel the jewish extremists will pay for all the innocent people they have killed, plain and simple war crimes by the terrorists, hopefully the arab world will defend palestine and give israel what they deserve for there wat crimes, jews complain about the hollocost but murder thousounds of innocent people them self bradford88
  • Score: 3

9:50pm Wed 23 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

bradford88 wrote:
Israel the jewish extremists will pay for all the innocent people they have killed, plain and simple war crimes by the terrorists, hopefully the arab world will defend palestine and give israel what they deserve for there wat crimes, jews complain about the hollocost but murder thousounds of innocent people them self
Sorry didn't understand you, speak English.
[quote][p][bold]bradford88[/bold] wrote: Israel the jewish extremists will pay for all the innocent people they have killed, plain and simple war crimes by the terrorists, hopefully the arab world will defend palestine and give israel what they deserve for there wat crimes, jews complain about the hollocost but murder thousounds of innocent people them self[/p][/quote]Sorry didn't understand you, speak English. alive and awake
  • Score: -2

11:06pm Wed 23 Jul 14

justjustice says...

Why should he apoligise?!

A couple hundred dead civilians in what could be war crimes by Israel, and the media pass it off, even siding with Israel
One man, who has nothing to do with anything remotely near the middle east, make a comment, and the media is on him like rabid wolves.

This is the injustice we really see, how they try to villainise one man for doing nothing, whilst people are being murdered, some class it even as genocide, under the guise of self defense.
Why should he apoligise?! A couple hundred dead civilians in what could be war crimes by Israel, and the media pass it off, even siding with Israel One man, who has nothing to do with anything remotely near the middle east, make a comment, and the media is on him like rabid wolves. This is the injustice we really see, how they try to villainise one man for doing nothing, whilst people are being murdered, some class it even as genocide, under the guise of self defense. justjustice
  • Score: 6

11:10pm Wed 23 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Dealy...

I believe this known as no-brainer.

Who do I believe? Muslims, including Hamas (with their wonderful record of peace and love) or 'Zionists' (the catch all term used by Jew haters)?

Gotta be the Zionists, sunshine. Every time.
No brainier?? So y don't you go listen to former zionists and and Jews who haven't fell for the zionist bull, ( Zionism and Judaism are totally different ) y not listen to these people who denounce zionist state of Israel, and speak about their dishonesty and their hidden agenda, what excuse you going to give for that, are these people looking for muslim votes??? Hahaha you fools won't admit it but you know deep down your supporting the wrong people and in turn supporting murder!! Simple I ask all of you to YouTube miko peled!!! An Israelis generals son, it's just over an hour long, watch the full talk, and if you want to hear further read his book 'the generals son' he spells it out. Simple, and like I said I'd want to know your lame excuses then?? Please if your sure zionist Israel is a legitimate state watch it!! But be careful there will be a lot of home truths, then theirs Norman finklestein a Jewish man who's family were killed in the holocaust, then there's yonotan shapira a former captain of the Israeli Air Force who clearly denounces Israel and States they committed war crimes, AND THERES MANY MORE!!! Clearly the truth is there for all to see but you'd rather let yourselfs believe israels lies, haha shows how 'good' and 'normal' your kind are.
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Dealy... I believe this known as no-brainer. Who do I believe? Muslims, including Hamas (with their wonderful record of peace and love) or 'Zionists' (the catch all term used by Jew haters)? Gotta be the Zionists, sunshine. Every time.[/p][/quote]No brainier?? So y don't you go listen to former zionists and and Jews who haven't fell for the zionist bull, ( Zionism and Judaism are totally different ) y not listen to these people who denounce zionist state of Israel, and speak about their dishonesty and their hidden agenda, what excuse you going to give for that, are these people looking for muslim votes??? Hahaha you fools won't admit it but you know deep down your supporting the wrong people and in turn supporting murder!! Simple I ask all of you to YouTube miko peled!!! An Israelis generals son, it's just over an hour long, watch the full talk, and if you want to hear further read his book 'the generals son' he spells it out. Simple, and like I said I'd want to know your lame excuses then?? Please if your sure zionist Israel is a legitimate state watch it!! But be careful there will be a lot of home truths, then theirs Norman finklestein a Jewish man who's family were killed in the holocaust, then there's yonotan shapira a former captain of the Israeli Air Force who clearly denounces Israel and States they committed war crimes, AND THERES MANY MORE!!! Clearly the truth is there for all to see but you'd rather let yourselfs believe israels lies, haha shows how 'good' and 'normal' your kind are. thedealsealer
  • Score: 3

11:46pm Wed 23 Jul 14

zakenterprises says...

David Ward in my opinion has been forced to back track on this. I will say exactly the same..... HAMAS WERE ELECTED THAT'S A FACT! Now lets get to the facts..... Israel have stolen land from the Palestinans for decades.

I ask anyone on here if the French or Germans came in to the U.K. and started killing and murdering people and then start building settlements would we stand for this? Would we hell!!! we would fight to protect our land and our families!! so why are you all sitting on the fence?

Do Hamas have naval ships? no! do they have an army? no!! do they have tanks? no! So what do you expect them to do to potect the land they have? I would do exactly the same! you kill my family I will react! you steal my land I will react!!

The british people are being lied to by our own Governement who are aligned with the Zionist agenda!!! I AM 100% with the Palestinian people!!
Why don't we ask Israel to give all the land back they have stolen? why dosen't our government remind Israel of all the land grabbing they have done? They do not want to upset Israel that's the facts!!!

They say we live in a democratic country? utter rubbish.... our government along with the News Channels, BBC, ITV, AND SKY are all complicit in bias reporting for Israel.... It's a fact as soon as an Israeli dies it's huge news..... Palesitinians are being murdered in their hindreds and do you see their names being published? along with their photos? no you will not because our Government does not want us to have any sympathy for the Palestinians......
David Ward in my opinion has been forced to back track on this. I will say exactly the same..... HAMAS WERE ELECTED THAT'S A FACT! Now lets get to the facts..... Israel have stolen land from the Palestinans for decades. I ask anyone on here if the French or Germans came in to the U.K. and started killing and murdering people and then start building settlements would we stand for this? Would we hell!!! we would fight to protect our land and our families!! so why are you all sitting on the fence? Do Hamas have naval ships? no! do they have an army? no!! do they have tanks? no! So what do you expect them to do to potect the land they have? I would do exactly the same! you kill my family I will react! you steal my land I will react!! The british people are being lied to by our own Governement who are aligned with the Zionist agenda!!! I AM 100% with the Palestinian people!! Why don't we ask Israel to give all the land back they have stolen? why dosen't our government remind Israel of all the land grabbing they have done? They do not want to upset Israel that's the facts!!! They say we live in a democratic country? utter rubbish.... our government along with the News Channels, BBC, ITV, AND SKY are all complicit in bias reporting for Israel.... It's a fact as soon as an Israeli dies it's huge news..... Palesitinians are being murdered in their hindreds and do you see their names being published? along with their photos? no you will not because our Government does not want us to have any sympathy for the Palestinians...... zakenterprises
  • Score: 3

11:48pm Wed 23 Jul 14

bradford88 says...

alive and awake wrote:
bradford88 wrote:
Israel the jewish extremists will pay for all the innocent people they have killed, plain and simple war crimes by the terrorists, hopefully the arab world will defend palestine and give israel what they deserve for there wat crimes, jews complain about the hollocost but murder thousounds of innocent people them self
Sorry didn't understand you, speak English.
Sorry about the spelling mistakes and wording Mr English i dont put to much effort in on posts on the t&a but am sure you can use your initiative and work out what it says. I assure you i speak good english Mr English. If you dont understand my message just reply to this post and i will retype the full message with examples etc. Thankyou
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradford88[/bold] wrote: Israel the jewish extremists will pay for all the innocent people they have killed, plain and simple war crimes by the terrorists, hopefully the arab world will defend palestine and give israel what they deserve for there wat crimes, jews complain about the hollocost but murder thousounds of innocent people them self[/p][/quote]Sorry didn't understand you, speak English.[/p][/quote]Sorry about the spelling mistakes and wording Mr English i dont put to much effort in on posts on the t&a but am sure you can use your initiative and work out what it says. I assure you i speak good english Mr English. If you dont understand my message just reply to this post and i will retype the full message with examples etc. Thankyou bradford88
  • Score: 3

3:56am Thu 24 Jul 14

MyBradford says...

You become real men & strong by protecting the weak.
Real men never back off to speak out when you see wrong doing.
Now days people are weak & fake men want to support stronger parties even when they are in wrong.
They are afraid what will happen if they speak against stronger side even if they are commiting mass murders.
I salute who stand up against the weak speak their heart without playing politics.
Israel might be strong but they are nothing but bully's & those who support them are weak & like to look cool walking with big boys.
You become real men & strong by protecting the weak. Real men never back off to speak out when you see wrong doing. Now days people are weak & fake men want to support stronger parties even when they are in wrong. They are afraid what will happen if they speak against stronger side even if they are commiting mass murders. I salute who stand up against the weak speak their heart without playing politics. Israel might be strong but they are nothing but bully's & those who support them are weak & like to look cool walking with big boys. MyBradford
  • Score: -1

6:38am Thu 24 Jul 14

spearmint wino says...

Ward is a hypocrite clearly seeking the Muslim vote, and some very strange voting patterns on these posts.
Ward is a hypocrite clearly seeking the Muslim vote, and some very strange voting patterns on these posts. spearmint wino
  • Score: -1

8:11am Thu 24 Jul 14

-LP- says...

Europe is lost, in almost every country "Pro-Palestinian" supporters have been attacking Jews while trying to claim the moral high ground.

if it didn't remind me of the 30's and 40's so much it'd be laughable,
Europe is lost, in almost every country "Pro-Palestinian" supporters have been attacking Jews while trying to claim the moral high ground. if it didn't remind me of the 30's and 40's so much it'd be laughable, -LP-
  • Score: 0

8:59am Thu 24 Jul 14

LeftLongAgo says...

To Webshow:

Britain never killed innocent civilians in Ireland? How about the 13 shot dead on Bloody Sunday by The 2nd Paratroopers?? Unarmed, peaceful protestors.
How about checking back through history, who caused the famine? Ireland was teeming with alternative food but that was destined for English tables, send there by illegal English Landlords who had stolen the land.
To Webshow: Britain never killed innocent civilians in Ireland? How about the 13 shot dead on Bloody Sunday by The 2nd Paratroopers?? Unarmed, peaceful protestors. How about checking back through history, who caused the famine? Ireland was teeming with alternative food but that was destined for English tables, send there by illegal English Landlords who had stolen the land. LeftLongAgo
  • Score: -6

9:25am Thu 24 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Dealy...

You really must spend some time on your English lessons. Not your native language we presume. If it is - no wonder you have so many problems. Gibber away, kid.

So the "truth is out there?" Your truth. The "truth" that supports terrorism? But this is a free country - so believe what you want. As I will.

As a general note: if the reactions to this issue are a guide - notice how generally illiterate, dumb and lacking in rational communication skills the supporters of Hamas are (hi there Dealy). As I've said several times before, the Palis and their followers are thick - which is their main problem.

If the Pali friends were to (painlessly) vanish from Barfdord, the IQ level in the city would jump 10 points.
Dealy... You really must spend some time on your English lessons. Not your native language we presume. If it is - no wonder you have so many problems. Gibber away, kid. So the "truth is out there?" Your truth. The "truth" that supports terrorism? But this is a free country - so believe what you want. As I will. As a general note: if the reactions to this issue are a guide - notice how generally illiterate, dumb and lacking in rational communication skills the supporters of Hamas are (hi there Dealy). As I've said several times before, the Palis and their followers are thick - which is their main problem. If the Pali friends were to (painlessly) vanish from Barfdord, the IQ level in the city would jump 10 points. idf fanclub
  • Score: -6

10:08am Thu 24 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Dealy,

PS: Been checking out your claim - denial - that Hamas does not want the destruction of Israel. The reverse is true.

Err... this is so well documented, from numerous sources:
For example:

1. The destruction of Israel.

This mission is written into the preamble of Hamas' founding document: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it."

It's a demand that is globally repudiated as outrageous. It is unrealistic for Hamas to think that it can somehow destroy Israel. As long as Hamas leaders latch on to that as an endgame, the result will be continued flare-ups for years to come.

Just Google "Hamas wants Israel destroyed." Masses of stuff.

But this is all lies - is that right Dealy and co?
Dealy, PS: Been checking out your claim - denial - that Hamas does not want the destruction of Israel. The reverse is true. Err... this is so well documented, from numerous sources: For example: 1. The destruction of Israel. This mission is written into the preamble of Hamas' founding document: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it." It's a demand that is globally repudiated as outrageous. It is unrealistic for Hamas to think that it can somehow destroy Israel. As long as Hamas leaders latch on to that as an endgame, the result will be continued flare-ups for years to come. Just Google "Hamas wants Israel destroyed." Masses of stuff. But this is all lies - is that right Dealy and co? idf fanclub
  • Score: 2

10:34am Thu 24 Jul 14

webshow says...

It's shocking and disappointing to see the naysayers in this blog. People who believe that Israel is right and no ill words should be said about it.
How can these people sleep at night when they known that Israel is raining death and destruction on civilians daily, using appalling weapons, while world leaders stay silent. The death toll rises daily - do you want to a list of and names of the children that are dead with your compliance to accept murder and mayhem in your names?
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/worldnew
s/middleeast/palesti
nianauthority/109842
59/Revealed-the-Pale
stinian-children-kil
led-by-Israeli-force
s.html
Read it yourself on a UK national newspaper website.
It's shocking and disappointing to see the naysayers in this blog. People who believe that Israel is right and no ill words should be said about it. How can these people sleep at night when they known that Israel is raining death and destruction on civilians daily, using appalling weapons, while world leaders stay silent. The death toll rises daily - do you want to a list of and names of the children that are dead with your compliance to accept murder and mayhem in your names? http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/middleeast/palesti nianauthority/109842 59/Revealed-the-Pale stinian-children-kil led-by-Israeli-force s.html Read it yourself on a UK national newspaper website. webshow
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Thu 24 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Webbie,

I sleep at night just fine. Knowing Israel is defending itself against the Hamas terrorists. Sleep even better if they wiped them out totally.

Remember Hamas - the lovely people you admire so much - who want the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. Who use their own kids as shields. Who started all this present round of mess. Oh - that Hamas.

And to accuse anyone who supports Israel as being complicit in the deaths of children is sick and ignorant. But what's new to you fanatics?
Webbie, I sleep at night just fine. Knowing Israel is defending itself against the Hamas terrorists. Sleep even better if they wiped them out totally. Remember Hamas - the lovely people you admire so much - who want the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. Who use their own kids as shields. Who started all this present round of mess. Oh - that Hamas. And to accuse anyone who supports Israel as being complicit in the deaths of children is sick and ignorant. But what's new to you fanatics? idf fanclub
  • Score: -1

12:26pm Thu 24 Jul 14

-LP- says...

Sheesh, if only there was so much support for the innocents in Darfur where nearly 400.000 Muslims have been exterminated, of course they are only Black Muslims killed by Arab Muslims and the Jews cant be blamed… but im sure that’s not the reason for such hypocrisy is it.
Sheesh, if only there was so much support for the innocents in Darfur where nearly 400.000 Muslims have been exterminated, of course they are only Black Muslims killed by Arab Muslims and the Jews cant be blamed… but im sure that’s not the reason for such hypocrisy is it. -LP-
  • Score: -2

12:45pm Thu 24 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Dealy...

You really must spend some time on your English lessons. Not your native language we presume. If it is - no wonder you have so many problems. Gibber away, kid.

So the "truth is out there?" Your truth. The "truth" that supports terrorism? But this is a free country - so believe what you want. As I will.

As a general note: if the reactions to this issue are a guide - notice how generally illiterate, dumb and lacking in rational communication skills the supporters of Hamas are (hi there Dealy). As I've said several times before, the Palis and their followers are thick - which is their main problem.

If the Pali friends were to (painlessly) vanish from Barfdord, the IQ level in the city would jump 10 points.
English is my native language, and because I have a lot of other things to I don't have the time to proof read my so 'important t n a comments' hahahaha your the one acting like a kid picking on petty issues like English skills what a tool you are! And I never said Hamas doesn't want the destruction of Israel, of course it does, it doesn't believe it has the right to exist, we'll not on palestinian land anyway, y don't zionist loving uk n USA give up a bit of their land an give them a state, what point I made was that they don't want to kill all Jews, which is zionist spin that put put in with any comment of what Hamas want. Like I said before your an evil anyone supporting the murder of children is just as evil as the people doing it, n if you want to get an idea of who's right n who's wrong look at stuff other than how clever they are, I mean what a lowlife comment that was, just shows your mindset thinking you n the zionist scum you suck off are so better than low Palestinians, haha,
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Dealy... You really must spend some time on your English lessons. Not your native language we presume. If it is - no wonder you have so many problems. Gibber away, kid. So the "truth is out there?" Your truth. The "truth" that supports terrorism? But this is a free country - so believe what you want. As I will. As a general note: if the reactions to this issue are a guide - notice how generally illiterate, dumb and lacking in rational communication skills the supporters of Hamas are (hi there Dealy). As I've said several times before, the Palis and their followers are thick - which is their main problem. If the Pali friends were to (painlessly) vanish from Barfdord, the IQ level in the city would jump 10 points.[/p][/quote]English is my native language, and because I have a lot of other things to I don't have the time to proof read my so 'important t n a comments' hahahaha your the one acting like a kid picking on petty issues like English skills what a tool you are! And I never said Hamas doesn't want the destruction of Israel, of course it does, it doesn't believe it has the right to exist, we'll not on palestinian land anyway, y don't zionist loving uk n USA give up a bit of their land an give them a state, what point I made was that they don't want to kill all Jews, which is zionist spin that put put in with any comment of what Hamas want. Like I said before your an evil anyone supporting the murder of children is just as evil as the people doing it, n if you want to get an idea of who's right n who's wrong look at stuff other than how clever they are, I mean what a lowlife comment that was, just shows your mindset thinking you n the zionist scum you suck off are so better than low Palestinians, haha, thedealsealer
  • Score: -2

3:08pm Thu 24 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Dealy says:

"English is my native language..."

Could have fooled me sunshine.

What a load of illiterate, gibbering rambling. You can't spell or put a coherent sentence together. Just one long dribbling, senseless babble. You need help kid. Enrol at a language class somewhere. Or maybe get an adult to help you write your posts. What an embarrassment.

This would disgrace a 10 year old. Just love the kiddy insults. If you are the best that Pali supporters can do - no wonder the Israelis win every time.
Dealy says: "English is my native language..." Could have fooled me sunshine. What a load of illiterate, gibbering rambling. You can't spell or put a coherent sentence together. Just one long dribbling, senseless babble. You need help kid. Enrol at a language class somewhere. Or maybe get an adult to help you write your posts. What an embarrassment. This would disgrace a 10 year old. Just love the kiddy insults. If you are the best that Pali supporters can do - no wonder the Israelis win every time. idf fanclub
  • Score: -9

4:34pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Joedavid says...

http://www.jewishpre
ss.com/news/breaking
-news/188293/2014/07
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http://www.jewishpre ss.com/news/breaking -news/188293/2014/07 /23/ Joedavid
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Lizzydripping says...

stupidperson wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews?

"The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?"

Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one.

Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired.

Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.
Please do not tell me use of the German language is now considered to be offensive or racist? Who are you , the 21c neo Ilya Ehrenberg or Gestapo?
I guess he was adapting John F Kennedy's 'Ich bin ein Berliner', when the latter was on a visit to Berlin during the cold war. JFK was expressing solidarity with the people of that city who were, of course, completely surrounded by a wall - a small Western territory marooned in the Russian controlled East.
[quote][p][bold]stupidperson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: There was another tweet in German, anyone any idea why German was used by Mr Ward in a tweet regarding Israel and the Jews? "The west must make up its mind - which side is it on?" Why should they choose side Mr Ward. It's clear you have backed your horse on this one. Wouldn't the best idea to be in the middle trying to mediate peace rather than suggesting rockets should be fired. Pandering to the vote you hope will get you elected next year, most likely as an independant now.[/p][/quote]Please do not tell me use of the German language is now considered to be offensive or racist? Who are you , the 21c neo Ilya Ehrenberg or Gestapo?[/p][/quote]I guess he was adapting John F Kennedy's 'Ich bin ein Berliner', when the latter was on a visit to Berlin during the cold war. JFK was expressing solidarity with the people of that city who were, of course, completely surrounded by a wall - a small Western territory marooned in the Russian controlled East. Lizzydripping
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Lizzydripping says...

BertSanders wrote:
I was there in 1948 - I watched ships almost sinking with the weight of refugeees. It was a desert and Israel is now a dominent country. They have made it that way with some help from the USA Hamas must stop the rockets - they cannot win - and should accept the good offices of the UN.
which must stop the expansion of Israel. This sort of conflict may well happen elsewhere I fear. I hear you say Israel does not accept edicts from the UN but the talking must start before many more lives are lost.
Land previously marked out as for Palestinian settlement has been increasingly encroached on by the Israelis
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: I was there in 1948 - I watched ships almost sinking with the weight of refugeees. It was a desert and Israel is now a dominent country. They have made it that way with some help from the USA Hamas must stop the rockets - they cannot win - and should accept the good offices of the UN. which must stop the expansion of Israel. This sort of conflict may well happen elsewhere I fear. I hear you say Israel does not accept edicts from the UN but the talking must start before many more lives are lost.[/p][/quote]Land previously marked out as for Palestinian settlement has been increasingly encroached on by the Israelis Lizzydripping
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Dealy says:

"English is my native language..."

Could have fooled me sunshine.

What a load of illiterate, gibbering rambling. You can't spell or put a coherent sentence together. Just one long dribbling, senseless babble. You need help kid. Enrol at a language class somewhere. Or maybe get an adult to help you write your posts. What an embarrassment.

This would disgrace a 10 year old. Just love the kiddy insults. If you are the best that Pali supporters can do - no wonder the Israelis win every time.
There you go again, resorting to childish insults, and the usual 'look at you! you can't spell' so that means your arguments right then, calling my comment dribble, whilst your's is a load of bull. You trying to be Mr literate, as if you've written best sellers haha joker, amazing bet your so deluded you think that because 'I can't spell' (which I can) or put a 'coherent' sentence together that your argument is right, and you can clearly see when you are calling me 'kid' your trying to show yourself as an adult, well your not behaving like one with your petty little insults. Just don't get on like your a professor at Oxford in English literature, because YOUR NOT!!! Hahahahaha
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Dealy says: "English is my native language..." Could have fooled me sunshine. What a load of illiterate, gibbering rambling. You can't spell or put a coherent sentence together. Just one long dribbling, senseless babble. You need help kid. Enrol at a language class somewhere. Or maybe get an adult to help you write your posts. What an embarrassment. This would disgrace a 10 year old. Just love the kiddy insults. If you are the best that Pali supporters can do - no wonder the Israelis win every time.[/p][/quote]There you go again, resorting to childish insults, and the usual 'look at you! you can't spell' so that means your arguments right then, calling my comment dribble, whilst your's is a load of bull. You trying to be Mr literate, as if you've written best sellers haha joker, amazing bet your so deluded you think that because 'I can't spell' (which I can) or put a 'coherent' sentence together that your argument is right, and you can clearly see when you are calling me 'kid' your trying to show yourself as an adult, well your not behaving like one with your petty little insults. Just don't get on like your a professor at Oxford in English literature, because YOUR NOT!!! Hahahahaha thedealsealer
  • Score: 4

12:06am Fri 25 Jul 14

GlobalSingh says...

This opportunist MP should never have been elected but he played the 'race' card and got in with just 365 votes and now polls are showing the voters he 'manipulated' are likely to vote Labour or Conservative! So he's used this tragedy to gain political points when he should be tackling the wholesale crime and drugs gangs in Bradford, heaping misery on an already beleaguered community!
This opportunist MP should never have been elected but he played the 'race' card and got in with just 365 votes and now polls are showing the voters he 'manipulated' are likely to vote Labour or Conservative! So he's used this tragedy to gain political points when he should be tackling the wholesale crime and drugs gangs in Bradford, heaping misery on an already beleaguered community! GlobalSingh
  • Score: -1

12:31am Fri 25 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

webshow wrote:
Peace@Justice wrote:
An interesting article from an Israeli peace campaigner. Well worth a read:
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/world/


middle-east/is-gideo


n-levy-the-most-hate


d-man-in-israel-or-j


ust-the-most-heroic-


2087909.html
Thanks for that link.

"“My biggest struggle,” he says, “is to rehumanize the Palestinians. There’s a whole machinery of brainwashing in Israel which really accompanies each of us from early childhood, and I’m a product of this machinery as much as anyone else. a few narratives that it’s very hard to break. That we Israelis are the ultimate and only victims. That the Palestinians are born to kill, and their hatred is irrational. That the Palestinians are not human beings like us… So you get a society without any moral doubts, without any questions marks, with hardly public debate. To raise your voice against all this is very hard.”"

I can see that here on this blog with pro-israeli supporters out in force.
They should read up about Gideon Levy and and ask their conscience who is in the wrong. Can a pro-israeli really say Israel is right in killing those kids on the beacjh last week, bombing the hospital, killing that defenseless man on the ground just a few days ago?
Really?
Just to add a link which you might find interesting

Titled "An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel"

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=etXAm-Oyl
QQ
[quote][p][bold]webshow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peace@Justice[/bold] wrote: An interesting article from an Israeli peace campaigner. Well worth a read: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/world/ middle-east/is-gideo n-levy-the-most-hate d-man-in-israel-or-j ust-the-most-heroic- 2087909.html[/p][/quote]Thanks for that link. "“My biggest struggle,” he says, “is to rehumanize the Palestinians. There’s a whole machinery of brainwashing in Israel which really accompanies each of us from early childhood, and I’m a product of this machinery as much as anyone else. [We are taught] a few narratives that it’s very hard to break. That we Israelis are the ultimate and only victims. That the Palestinians are born to kill, and their hatred is irrational. That the Palestinians are not human beings like us… So you get a society without any moral doubts, without any questions marks, with hardly public debate. To raise your voice against all this is very hard.”" I can see that here on this blog with pro-israeli supporters out in force. They should read up about Gideon Levy and and ask their conscience who is in the wrong. Can a pro-israeli really say Israel is right in killing those kids on the beacjh last week, bombing the hospital, killing that defenseless man on the ground just a few days ago? Really?[/p][/quote]Just to add a link which you might find interesting Titled "An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel" http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=etXAm-Oyl QQ Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

8:28pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Oldwestbowling says...

thedealsealer wrote:
idf fanclub wrote:
Dealy says:

"English is my native language..."

Could have fooled me sunshine.

What a load of illiterate, gibbering rambling. You can't spell or put a coherent sentence together. Just one long dribbling, senseless babble. You need help kid. Enrol at a language class somewhere. Or maybe get an adult to help you write your posts. What an embarrassment.

This would disgrace a 10 year old. Just love the kiddy insults. If you are the best that Pali supporters can do - no wonder the Israelis win every time.
There you go again, resorting to childish insults, and the usual 'look at you! you can't spell' so that means your arguments right then, calling my comment dribble, whilst your's is a load of bull. You trying to be Mr literate, as if you've written best sellers haha joker, amazing bet your so deluded you think that because 'I can't spell' (which I can) or put a 'coherent' sentence together that your argument is right, and you can clearly see when you are calling me 'kid' your trying to show yourself as an adult, well your not behaving like one with your petty little insults. Just don't get on like your a professor at Oxford in English literature, because YOUR NOT!!! Hahahahaha
Try using "your" and "you're" in their proper context and you might be taken more seriously.
[quote][p][bold]thedealsealer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Dealy says: "English is my native language..." Could have fooled me sunshine. What a load of illiterate, gibbering rambling. You can't spell or put a coherent sentence together. Just one long dribbling, senseless babble. You need help kid. Enrol at a language class somewhere. Or maybe get an adult to help you write your posts. What an embarrassment. This would disgrace a 10 year old. Just love the kiddy insults. If you are the best that Pali supporters can do - no wonder the Israelis win every time.[/p][/quote]There you go again, resorting to childish insults, and the usual 'look at you! you can't spell' so that means your arguments right then, calling my comment dribble, whilst your's is a load of bull. You trying to be Mr literate, as if you've written best sellers haha joker, amazing bet your so deluded you think that because 'I can't spell' (which I can) or put a 'coherent' sentence together that your argument is right, and you can clearly see when you are calling me 'kid' your trying to show yourself as an adult, well your not behaving like one with your petty little insults. Just don't get on like your a professor at Oxford in English literature, because YOUR NOT!!! Hahahahaha[/p][/quote]Try using "your" and "you're" in their proper context and you might be taken more seriously. Oldwestbowling
  • Score: 3

10:46pm Fri 25 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Dealy,

More of the same.

How does he do it? it's as if he's put his post into a grammar and spellchecker and pressed "gibber."

So your childish repetitive insults are ok? And mine aren't?

How balanced of you.

I refer to you as "kid"in an ironic way. But your last post indicates that you are actually a kid. Am I being generous in crediting you with being about 13? Look on the bright side. Now it's the summer holiday.

Love the way you claim you can "spell." And then prove you can't.

And yes - my arguments are right.

Dear readers: doesn't his "hahahaha..." at the end get you just a teeny bit suspicious?
Dealy, More of the same. How does he do it? it's as if he's put his post into a grammar and spellchecker and pressed "gibber." So your childish repetitive insults are ok? And mine aren't? How balanced of you. I refer to you as "kid"in an ironic way. But your last post indicates that you are actually a kid. Am I being generous in crediting you with being about 13? Look on the bright side. Now it's the summer holiday. Love the way you claim you can "spell." And then prove you can't. And yes - my arguments are right. Dear readers: doesn't his "hahahaha..." at the end get you just a teeny bit suspicious? idf fanclub
  • Score: 1

2:18am Sat 26 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Dealy,

More of the same.

How does he do it? it's as if he's put his post into a grammar and spellchecker and pressed "gibber."

So your childish repetitive insults are ok? And mine aren't?

How balanced of you.

I refer to you as "kid"in an ironic way. But your last post indicates that you are actually a kid. Am I being generous in crediting you with being about 13? Look on the bright side. Now it's the summer holiday.

Love the way you claim you can "spell." And then prove you can't.

And yes - my arguments are right.

Dear readers: doesn't his "hahahaha..." at the end get you just a teeny bit suspicious?
I give up, can't argue with such an intellect, not! get over yourself professor bulls***t. If you knew anything you'd know even the best of writers make bad literacy mistakes, hence why you have first drafts and proof reading etc, and with these only being telegraph and argus comments, I don't think there was much need for checking my comments for errors, but the way you picked up on it rather than the valid points I made basically shows you had no response for them. Which clearly shows you can't defend murdering zionist scum, and that you still support them, which means you support the murder of innocent children. Case closed bye.
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Dealy, More of the same. How does he do it? it's as if he's put his post into a grammar and spellchecker and pressed "gibber." So your childish repetitive insults are ok? And mine aren't? How balanced of you. I refer to you as "kid"in an ironic way. But your last post indicates that you are actually a kid. Am I being generous in crediting you with being about 13? Look on the bright side. Now it's the summer holiday. Love the way you claim you can "spell." And then prove you can't. And yes - my arguments are right. Dear readers: doesn't his "hahahaha..." at the end get you just a teeny bit suspicious?[/p][/quote]I give up, can't argue with such an intellect, not! get over yourself professor bulls***t. If you knew anything you'd know even the best of writers make bad literacy mistakes, hence why you have first drafts and proof reading etc, and with these only being telegraph and argus comments, I don't think there was much need for checking my comments for errors, but the way you picked up on it rather than the valid points I made basically shows you had no response for them. Which clearly shows you can't defend murdering zionist scum, and that you still support them, which means you support the murder of innocent children. Case closed bye. thedealsealer
  • Score: 0

2:26am Sat 26 Jul 14

thedealsealer says...

idf fanclub wrote:
Dealy,

More of the same.

How does he do it? it's as if he's put his post into a grammar and spellchecker and pressed "gibber."

So your childish repetitive insults are ok? And mine aren't?

How balanced of you.

I refer to you as "kid"in an ironic way. But your last post indicates that you are actually a kid. Am I being generous in crediting you with being about 13? Look on the bright side. Now it's the summer holiday.

Love the way you claim you can "spell." And then prove you can't.

And yes - my arguments are right.

Dear readers: doesn't his "hahahaha..." at the end get you just a teeny bit suspicious?
I give up, can't argue with such an intellect, not! get over yourself professor bulls***t. If you knew anything you'd know even the best of writers make bad literacy mistakes, hence why you have first drafts and proof reading etc, and with these only being telegraph and argus comments, I don't think there was much need for checking my comments for errors, but the way you picked up on it rather than the valid points I made basically shows you had no response for them. Which clearly shows you can't defend murdering zionist scum, and that you still support them, which means you support the murder of innocent children. Case closed bye.
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote: Dealy, More of the same. How does he do it? it's as if he's put his post into a grammar and spellchecker and pressed "gibber." So your childish repetitive insults are ok? And mine aren't? How balanced of you. I refer to you as "kid"in an ironic way. But your last post indicates that you are actually a kid. Am I being generous in crediting you with being about 13? Look on the bright side. Now it's the summer holiday. Love the way you claim you can "spell." And then prove you can't. And yes - my arguments are right. Dear readers: doesn't his "hahahaha..." at the end get you just a teeny bit suspicious?[/p][/quote]I give up, can't argue with such an intellect, not! get over yourself professor bulls***t. If you knew anything you'd know even the best of writers make bad literacy mistakes, hence why you have first drafts and proof reading etc, and with these only being telegraph and argus comments, I don't think there was much need for checking my comments for errors, but the way you picked up on it rather than the valid points I made basically shows you had no response for them. Which clearly shows you can't defend murdering zionist scum, and that you still support them, which means you support the murder of innocent children. Case closed bye. thedealsealer
  • Score: -2

4:04pm Sat 26 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

Dealy,

I have average intelligence. With average communication skills. Not a Professor or author. I try to write coherently without screaming and bigotry.

If you haven't the wit or intelligence to answer in a similar coherent manner - tough.

And still you come out with the kiddy insults. Even tougher. Grow up sunshine.

I defend Israel and its right to protect itself against terrorist attacks by Hamas. Which you condone.

I do not support the murder of innocent children by anyone. Only an idiot would try to fabricate such perverted logic.

If I applied your logic - and said you condoned the murder, both real and attempted - of innocent Israeli children by indiscriminate rocket attacks... your reaction would be? Err...

You haven't got and have never had a "case." Apart from supporting terrorism. And you wouldn't know a "valid point" if it bit you in the ****.

"Bye." Does that mean we get no more gibbering from you?
Dealy, I have average intelligence. With average communication skills. Not a Professor or author. I try to write coherently without screaming and bigotry. If you haven't the wit or intelligence to answer in a similar coherent manner - tough. And still you come out with the kiddy insults. Even tougher. Grow up sunshine. I defend Israel and its right to protect itself against terrorist attacks by Hamas. Which you condone. I do not support the murder of innocent children by anyone. Only an idiot would try to fabricate such perverted logic. If I applied your logic - and said you condoned the murder, both real and attempted - of innocent Israeli children by indiscriminate rocket attacks... your reaction would be? Err... You haven't got and have never had a "case." Apart from supporting terrorism. And you wouldn't know a "valid point" if it bit you in the ****. "Bye." Does that mean we get no more gibbering from you? idf fanclub
  • Score: 4

2:21pm Sun 27 Jul 14

DJbarfi says...

I think the community of Bradford need to recognise the hard work and effort Mr Ward has put in to making a Bradford a better place. He has helped to shape the education system in Bradford so children of Bradford have a better chance in succeeding in life. He has made a significant difference in challenging the Insurance industry to reduce our bills and to improve the quality of life of Bradfordians.

People of Bradford should know Mr Ward before they start to interpret his work.

I think Bradford should be proud to have an MP that works as hard and as sincerely as Mr Ward does for his constituents. That's his job he is supposed to represent his constituents. Bradford needs more MPs like Mr Ward who really trying to make a difference for the people of Bradford. Mr Ward has stood by Bradford and I think it is only fair that Bradford stand by him when he needs us most!!!!!!
I think the community of Bradford need to recognise the hard work and effort Mr Ward has put in to making a Bradford a better place. He has helped to shape the education system in Bradford so children of Bradford have a better chance in succeeding in life. He has made a significant difference in challenging the Insurance industry to reduce our bills and to improve the quality of life of Bradfordians. People of Bradford should know Mr Ward before they start to interpret his work. I think Bradford should be proud to have an MP that works as hard and as sincerely as Mr Ward does for his constituents. That's his job he is supposed to represent his constituents. Bradford needs more MPs like Mr Ward who really trying to make a difference for the people of Bradford. Mr Ward has stood by Bradford and I think it is only fair that Bradford stand by him when he needs us most!!!!!! DJbarfi
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

informer says...

collos25 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
collos25 wrote:
When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.
Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then?
Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.
Democracy has not worked in Palestine I refer back to my original statement anybody who calls themselves Isreali is an illegal immigrant and should be deported to their original land only then will you have some sort of peace in the middle east.
Would this also go for England
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: When a group of people take over a country and the then turn on the people who let them they deserve all they get there is no such country as Israel only Palestine and it belongs to the indigenous people not some illegal immigrants.[/p][/quote]Firing rockets at civillians is the obvious solution to the problem then? Diplomacy is the only solution to this problem, not bombs. Both sides will have to make compromises if a solution is ever going to be reached but this will never happen whilst there are bombing campaigns.[/p][/quote]Democracy has not worked in Palestine I refer back to my original statement anybody who calls themselves Isreali is an illegal immigrant and should be deported to their original land only then will you have some sort of peace in the middle east.[/p][/quote]Would this also go for England informer
  • Score: 2

12:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

idf fanclub says...

DJbarfi says...

"He (Ward) has helped to shape the education system in Bradford so children of Bradford have a better chance in succeeding in life..."

Is that why Barfdord is right at the bottom end of the education league tables?

Ward is chasing the Islamist and pro Palestine/Hamas vote in the hope of getting elected again. Just as Gallybags is doing.

If his constituency had a load of KKK supporters - Wardie would be out there in a white robe and a pointy hood.

Note: Bardford Council is now openly supporting Hamas by flying the Pali flag at City Hall. Thanks to pressure from Gally.

Another note: plans are in action to put up a much bigger Israeli flag.
DJbarfi says... "He (Ward) has helped to shape the education system in Bradford so children of Bradford have a better chance in succeeding in life..." Is that why Barfdord is right at the bottom end of the education league tables? Ward is chasing the Islamist and pro Palestine/Hamas vote in the hope of getting elected again. Just as Gallybags is doing. If his constituency had a load of KKK supporters - Wardie would be out there in a white robe and a pointy hood. Note: Bardford Council is now openly supporting Hamas by flying the Pali flag at City Hall. Thanks to pressure from Gally. Another note: plans are in action to put up a much bigger Israeli flag. idf fanclub
  • Score: 3

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