Bradford Council apologies for "broken and not fit for purpose" planning website

APOLOGY: Cllr Val Slater

APOLOGY: Cllr Val Slater

First published in News

THE official website for people to look at and comment on planning applications is "not fit for purpose", according to critics.

Bradford's Liberal Democrat group is calling for urgent improvements to Bradford Council's planning website after being inundated with complaints from frustrated residents.

The Labour-led authority has apologised, and has said it is working on improvements.

Councillor Dominic Fear (Lib Dem, Idle and Thackley) said people had been reporting problems particularly with the larger-scale planning applications.

He said he had complained to senior councillors and to officers, but wasn't convinced enough was being done to fix the problem.

He said: “These are applications that are affecting people's homes and their lives, and people feel they are not able to access the information they need."

Ed Butterworth, of campaign group Baildon Residents Against Inappropriate Development, said the website was "broken and not fit for purpose".

He said in his group's long battle against the new Buck Lane business park, he had encountered a range of problems, such as the website being down, key documents being unavailable to view and planning applications being altered without objectors being notified.

And Josiah Sulc, one of those who recently lost their fight against a large housing development in Allerton, agreed.

He said: "The website is down so often. When you try to access documents, it is so hit-and-miss."

Councillor Val Slater, Labour's executive member for planning, said the Council was working to improve it.

She added: "A number of years ago we outsourced the IT system and the contract has a couple of years to run, but maybe we haven't got out of that contract what we hoped and therefore our system isn't as effective as we would have liked.

"We are trying to make the best of it and work is being done to look at the public access system."

But Cllr Slater said people could also contact the council about planning issues by letter or telephone, by visiting the authority's Jacobs Well office in Bradford city centre or by contacting their ward councillor.

She said: "Yes, there is an issue, yes, we are sorry about it and we are trying to redress it. It might not be an immediate redress, but in the meantime there are other ways of getting in touch."

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6:18am Tue 22 Jul 14

caledonia15 says...

From my experience of using the site, its pretty poor, on many occasions its down and you cant access the information you want. All in all its pretty typical of the planning service in Bradford - " broken and not fit for purpose"
From my experience of using the site, its pretty poor, on many occasions its down and you cant access the information you want. All in all its pretty typical of the planning service in Bradford - " broken and not fit for purpose" caledonia15
  • Score: 21

8:43am Tue 22 Jul 14

collos25 says...

Cllr VS is involved its bound to be a failure everything she touches falls to pieces.
Cllr VS is involved its bound to be a failure everything she touches falls to pieces. collos25
  • Score: 16

8:47am Tue 22 Jul 14

Yorkshire Bird72 says...

Just another "excuse" from Val Slater, about the inadequate planning system and department.

Furthermore..... She says there are alternative ways to contact the planning department, really?

I have telephoned and emailed on a regular basis about a development in my neighbourhood, to get very little response if any...... It takes weeks for someone to respond to telephone calls if at all and emails are very short and never answer specific questions.

In short, there is no need for a planning department within Bradford Council, as they do nothing!!!! But let developers ride roughshod over all planning rules and just look the other way!!!! Total disgrace!!!!
Just another "excuse" from Val Slater, about the inadequate planning system and department. Furthermore..... She says there are alternative ways to contact the planning department, really? I have telephoned and emailed on a regular basis about a development in my neighbourhood, to get very little response if any...... It takes weeks for someone to respond to telephone calls if at all and emails are very short and never answer specific questions. In short, there is no need for a planning department within Bradford Council, as they do nothing!!!! But let developers ride roughshod over all planning rules and just look the other way!!!! Total disgrace!!!! Yorkshire Bird72
  • Score: 20

9:11am Tue 22 Jul 14

gouldengirl says...

Yorkshire Bird72 wrote:
Just another "excuse" from Val Slater, about the inadequate planning system and department.

Furthermore..... She says there are alternative ways to contact the planning department, really?

I have telephoned and emailed on a regular basis about a development in my neighbourhood, to get very little response if any...... It takes weeks for someone to respond to telephone calls if at all and emails are very short and never answer specific questions.

In short, there is no need for a planning department within Bradford Council, as they do nothing!!!! But let developers ride roughshod over all planning rules and just look the other way!!!! Total disgrace!!!!
You're lucky you can email, has anybody else had an issue with the Council's idiot spam blocker that blocks ordinary people for no good reason at all.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Bird72[/bold] wrote: Just another "excuse" from Val Slater, about the inadequate planning system and department. Furthermore..... She says there are alternative ways to contact the planning department, really? I have telephoned and emailed on a regular basis about a development in my neighbourhood, to get very little response if any...... It takes weeks for someone to respond to telephone calls if at all and emails are very short and never answer specific questions. In short, there is no need for a planning department within Bradford Council, as they do nothing!!!! But let developers ride roughshod over all planning rules and just look the other way!!!! Total disgrace!!!![/p][/quote]You're lucky you can email, has anybody else had an issue with the Council's idiot spam blocker that blocks ordinary people for no good reason at all. gouldengirl
  • Score: 23

9:18am Tue 22 Jul 14

angry bradfordian says...

I'd suggest the problem runs a lot deeper than IT, but also with the general attitude & rudeness of the Planning Department.

A couple of months ago I was trying to get a planning application through to build an extension.
Daily telephone calls were met with 'he's on a call, I'll leave a message' and weeks went by without a response.
E-mails were sent as a back up and as YorkshireBird experienced they were eventually responded to weeks later with the answer to a question I hadn't asked!

I found the whole experience really unprofessional and haven't even experienced such poor customer service with banks or my broadband supplier.
The experience makes it easy to understand why most of Bradford doesn't seem to bother with Planning Regulations!
I'd suggest the problem runs a lot deeper than IT, but also with the general attitude & rudeness of the Planning Department. A couple of months ago I was trying to get a planning application through to build an extension. Daily telephone calls were met with 'he's on a call, I'll leave a message' and weeks went by without a response. E-mails were sent as a back up and as YorkshireBird experienced they were eventually responded to weeks later with the answer to a question I hadn't asked! I found the whole experience really unprofessional and haven't even experienced such poor customer service with banks or my broadband supplier. The experience makes it easy to understand why most of Bradford doesn't seem to bother with Planning Regulations! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 17

9:21am Tue 22 Jul 14

bachtothefuture says...

I too have tried to use the Council’s website on quite a few occasions. The website is like the Council, on first inspection it looks as if it could do the job, but put it to the test and it’s a complete shambles. Searching, unless you know exactly what you are looking for, is almost impossible.
I too have tried to use the Council’s website on quite a few occasions. The website is like the Council, on first inspection it looks as if it could do the job, but put it to the test and it’s a complete shambles. Searching, unless you know exactly what you are looking for, is almost impossible. bachtothefuture
  • Score: 27

9:52am Tue 22 Jul 14

Joedavid says...

I looked on it for a house building plans and it had wrong houses plans on the documents.
I looked on it for a house building plans and it had wrong houses plans on the documents. Joedavid
  • Score: 4

9:52am Tue 22 Jul 14

Joedavid says...

I looked on it for a house building plans and it had wrong houses plans on the documents.
I looked on it for a house building plans and it had wrong houses plans on the documents. Joedavid
  • Score: 1

9:52am Tue 22 Jul 14

Joedavid says...

I looked on it for a house building plans and it had wrong house's plans on the documents.
I looked on it for a house building plans and it had wrong house's plans on the documents. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

10:07am Tue 22 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
I'd suggest the problem runs a lot deeper than IT, but also with the general attitude & rudeness of the Planning Department.

A couple of months ago I was trying to get a planning application through to build an extension.
Daily telephone calls were met with 'he's on a call, I'll leave a message' and weeks went by without a response.
E-mails were sent as a back up and as YorkshireBird experienced they were eventually responded to weeks later with the answer to a question I hadn't asked!

I found the whole experience really unprofessional and haven't even experienced such poor customer service with banks or my broadband supplier.
The experience makes it easy to understand why most of Bradford doesn't seem to bother with Planning Regulations!
Just build it anyway and then apply for retrospective.

Depending on your race/ religion it will be granted automatically.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: I'd suggest the problem runs a lot deeper than IT, but also with the general attitude & rudeness of the Planning Department. A couple of months ago I was trying to get a planning application through to build an extension. Daily telephone calls were met with 'he's on a call, I'll leave a message' and weeks went by without a response. E-mails were sent as a back up and as YorkshireBird experienced they were eventually responded to weeks later with the answer to a question I hadn't asked! I found the whole experience really unprofessional and haven't even experienced such poor customer service with banks or my broadband supplier. The experience makes it easy to understand why most of Bradford doesn't seem to bother with Planning Regulations![/p][/quote]Just build it anyway and then apply for retrospective. Depending on your race/ religion it will be granted automatically. Andy2010
  • Score: 10

10:10am Tue 22 Jul 14

FinlandStation says...

It’s not just planning. The minutes and agendas of the main committees are a total mess, impossible to search. Bradford Council never seems to get anything quite right.
It’s not just planning. The minutes and agendas of the main committees are a total mess, impossible to search. Bradford Council never seems to get anything quite right. FinlandStation
  • Score: 15

10:12am Tue 22 Jul 14

A650 says...

One wonders if they actually want to receive complaints and objections and the IT is deliberately left to rot.
One wonders if they actually want to receive complaints and objections and the IT is deliberately left to rot. A650
  • Score: 10

10:12am Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her.

A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.
Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 15

10:24am Tue 22 Jul 14

izzystillbreathing says...

A650 wrote:
One wonders if they actually want to receive complaints and objections and the IT is deliberately left to rot.
Quite agree the website isn’t fit for purpose. With any other Council you would think that a website as bad as this one was a deliberate attempt to obstruct democracy, but since it’s Bradford, it’s probably plain old fashioned incompetence.
[quote][p][bold]A650[/bold] wrote: One wonders if they actually want to receive complaints and objections and the IT is deliberately left to rot.[/p][/quote]Quite agree the website isn’t fit for purpose. With any other Council you would think that a website as bad as this one was a deliberate attempt to obstruct democracy, but since it’s Bradford, it’s probably plain old fashioned incompetence. izzystillbreathing
  • Score: 16

10:34am Tue 22 Jul 14

pcmanners says...

This Council cannot be expected to get anything right. Socialists cannot administer anything efficiently. The whole IT function should be outsourced to a profit making private company. This would improve the website and save the Council money.

David Cawthray and McKinnon-Adams should be sacked.
This Council cannot be expected to get anything right. Socialists cannot administer anything efficiently. The whole IT function should be outsourced to a profit making private company. This would improve the website and save the Council money. David Cawthray and McKinnon-Adams should be sacked. pcmanners
  • Score: 10

10:39am Tue 22 Jul 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

gouldengirl wrote:
Yorkshire Bird72 wrote:
Just another "excuse" from Val Slater, about the inadequate planning system and department.

Furthermore..... She says there are alternative ways to contact the planning department, really?

I have telephoned and emailed on a regular basis about a development in my neighbourhood, to get very little response if any...... It takes weeks for someone to respond to telephone calls if at all and emails are very short and never answer specific questions.

In short, there is no need for a planning department within Bradford Council, as they do nothing!!!! But let developers ride roughshod over all planning rules and just look the other way!!!! Total disgrace!!!!
You're lucky you can email, has anybody else had an issue with the Council's idiot spam blocker that blocks ordinary people for no good reason at all.
Somebody else as well! The Council’s super aggressive spam blocker is a real nuisance. All the Council will tell me is that my PC must be infected, but Norton says it’s clean. TalkTalk are no use either. So what am I supposed to do?
[quote][p][bold]gouldengirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Bird72[/bold] wrote: Just another "excuse" from Val Slater, about the inadequate planning system and department. Furthermore..... She says there are alternative ways to contact the planning department, really? I have telephoned and emailed on a regular basis about a development in my neighbourhood, to get very little response if any...... It takes weeks for someone to respond to telephone calls if at all and emails are very short and never answer specific questions. In short, there is no need for a planning department within Bradford Council, as they do nothing!!!! But let developers ride roughshod over all planning rules and just look the other way!!!! Total disgrace!!!![/p][/quote]You're lucky you can email, has anybody else had an issue with the Council's idiot spam blocker that blocks ordinary people for no good reason at all.[/p][/quote]Somebody else as well! The Council’s super aggressive spam blocker is a real nuisance. All the Council will tell me is that my PC must be infected, but Norton says it’s clean. TalkTalk are no use either. So what am I supposed to do? SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: 15

10:44am Tue 22 Jul 14

Grumpygirl says...

pcmanners wrote:
This Council cannot be expected to get anything right. Socialists cannot administer anything efficiently. The whole IT function should be outsourced to a profit making private company. This would improve the website and save the Council money.

David Cawthray and McKinnon-Adams should be sacked.
Read the article you libertarian twit. The website is already outsourced to a profit making company, probably somebody like ATOS.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: This Council cannot be expected to get anything right. Socialists cannot administer anything efficiently. The whole IT function should be outsourced to a profit making private company. This would improve the website and save the Council money. David Cawthray and McKinnon-Adams should be sacked.[/p][/quote]Read the article you libertarian twit. The website is already outsourced to a profit making company, probably somebody like ATOS. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 11

10:54am Tue 22 Jul 14

bluebluerobin says...

This is so typical of City Hall. For most people the Council’s website is the first port of call and it will become more important in future now that the Labour Group have decided to close the walk-in information centres. Councillor Slater has a duty to see that the website is fixed, and fixed quickly.
This is so typical of City Hall. For most people the Council’s website is the first port of call and it will become more important in future now that the Labour Group have decided to close the walk-in information centres. Councillor Slater has a duty to see that the website is fixed, and fixed quickly. bluebluerobin
  • Score: 11

11:00am Tue 22 Jul 14

angry bradfordian says...

bluebluerobin wrote:
This is so typical of City Hall. For most people the Council’s website is the first port of call and it will become more important in future now that the Labour Group have decided to close the walk-in information centres. Councillor Slater has a duty to see that the website is fixed, and fixed quickly.
That's the most annoying bit of the article for me is Slater's response....

"maybe" the service isn't good enough?? "trying to make the best of it"
All soundbites, no real recognition there a problem and certainly no responsibility taken from the woman who is ultimately in charge of the 'portfolio' as they grandly title it!
[quote][p][bold]bluebluerobin[/bold] wrote: This is so typical of City Hall. For most people the Council’s website is the first port of call and it will become more important in future now that the Labour Group have decided to close the walk-in information centres. Councillor Slater has a duty to see that the website is fixed, and fixed quickly.[/p][/quote]That's the most annoying bit of the article for me is Slater's response.... "maybe" the service isn't good enough?? "trying to make the best of it" All soundbites, no real recognition there a problem and certainly no responsibility taken from the woman who is ultimately in charge of the 'portfolio' as they grandly title it! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 10

11:05am Tue 22 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her.

A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.
I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.[/p][/quote]I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere? Albion.
  • Score: 1

11:07am Tue 22 Jul 14

sunnysidedown says...

I’m suffering from the Council’s spam blocker as well. I got a bloke in to look at my PC and he say’s it’s clean, but the Council won’t listen. I think it’s just an excuse, so they don’t have to respond to objectors.
I’m suffering from the Council’s spam blocker as well. I got a bloke in to look at my PC and he say’s it’s clean, but the Council won’t listen. I think it’s just an excuse, so they don’t have to respond to objectors. sunnysidedown
  • Score: 8

11:11am Tue 22 Jul 14

taleoftruth says...

On a brighter note, at least we have an electronic system. Try searching for planning documents in other parts of the country, such as Anglesey for example. You will be lucky to find a list applications, never mind the documents to support it. I look forward to the problem being fixed, but let's be too ungrateful for what we already have.
On a brighter note, at least we have an electronic system. Try searching for planning documents in other parts of the country, such as Anglesey for example. You will be lucky to find a list applications, never mind the documents to support it. I look forward to the problem being fixed, but let's be too ungrateful for what we already have. taleoftruth
  • Score: -7

11:15am Tue 22 Jul 14

sorrow&anger says...

sunnysidedown wrote:
I’m suffering from the Council’s spam blocker as well. I got a bloke in to look at my PC and he say’s it’s clean, but the Council won’t listen. I think it’s just an excuse, so they don’t have to respond to objectors.
The so-called spam blocking is a real pain. It is quite typical of City Hall’s attitude to punish the victims instead of going after the real culprits.

There are too many false positives and more often than not the problem is not with the individual but with the ISP’s compromised severs. The Council should do its homework before dismantling one of the pillars of our democracy. At the very least, everybody on the electoral role should be put on a white list.
[quote][p][bold]sunnysidedown[/bold] wrote: I’m suffering from the Council’s spam blocker as well. I got a bloke in to look at my PC and he say’s it’s clean, but the Council won’t listen. I think it’s just an excuse, so they don’t have to respond to objectors.[/p][/quote]The so-called spam blocking is a real pain. It is quite typical of City Hall’s attitude to punish the victims instead of going after the real culprits. There are too many false positives and more often than not the problem is not with the individual but with the ISP’s compromised severs. The Council should do its homework before dismantling one of the pillars of our democracy. At the very least, everybody on the electoral role should be put on a white list. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 6

11:21am Tue 22 Jul 14

BaildonGuy says...

taleoftruth wrote:
On a brighter note, at least we have an electronic system. Try searching for planning documents in other parts of the country, such as Anglesey for example. You will be lucky to find a list applications, never mind the documents to support it. I look forward to the problem being fixed, but let's be too ungrateful for what we already have.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. The service in Anglesey has nothing to do with the service in Bradford. Places like Manchester and Leeds also have electronic systems and my experience is that they work a lot better than the limping excuse we have at Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]taleoftruth[/bold] wrote: On a brighter note, at least we have an electronic system. Try searching for planning documents in other parts of the country, such as Anglesey for example. You will be lucky to find a list applications, never mind the documents to support it. I look forward to the problem being fixed, but let's be too ungrateful for what we already have.[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don’t make a right. The service in Anglesey has nothing to do with the service in Bradford. Places like Manchester and Leeds also have electronic systems and my experience is that they work a lot better than the limping excuse we have at Bradford. BaildonGuy
  • Score: 7

11:33am Tue 22 Jul 14

ChanningCross says...

Everybody is being sooo unfair to Councillor Slater. She is a very hardworking and principled lady and it is not her fault that the outsourced website isn’t very good. However now that she is involved we can all look forward to seeing the problems fixed, everything Val does is a total success.
Everybody is being sooo unfair to Councillor Slater. She is a very hardworking and principled lady and it is not her fault that the outsourced website isn’t very good. However now that she is involved we can all look forward to seeing the problems fixed, everything Val does is a total success. ChanningCross
  • Score: -5

11:46am Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.
I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?
I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers.

She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them.

So thats why I brought it up, that help?
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.[/p][/quote]I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?[/p][/quote]I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 4

12:05pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.
I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?
I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers.

She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them.

So thats why I brought it up, that help?
Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.[/p][/quote]I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?[/p][/quote]I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help?[/p][/quote]Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley. Albion.
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.
I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?
I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help?
Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley.
Yes, they all have nice safe seats in areas they prefer not to live in. Alot of the portfolio holders of the Labour group live in areas away from where they represent.

People would be more tollerant with these plans for new houses if the council actually anounced what they will do regarding roads, schools and other infrastructure, they don't they keep quiet and the community has to cope with little to no help.

The canal road scheme, not one detail on what they will do regarding an influx of a huge number of houses on one of the busiest roads in Bradford.

I've asked several times about the effect of 440 houses will have on the few local schools in the area, I've recieved no response it to me seems a case of bury your head in the sand and hope it all turns out ok. Once the houses are built there is no going back so by then who cares.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.[/p][/quote]I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?[/p][/quote]I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help?[/p][/quote]Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley.[/p][/quote]Yes, they all have nice safe seats in areas they prefer not to live in. Alot of the portfolio holders of the Labour group live in areas away from where they represent. People would be more tollerant with these plans for new houses if the council actually anounced what they will do regarding roads, schools and other infrastructure, they don't they keep quiet and the community has to cope with little to no help. The canal road scheme, not one detail on what they will do regarding an influx of a huge number of houses on one of the busiest roads in Bradford. I've asked several times about the effect of 440 houses will have on the few local schools in the area, I've recieved no response it to me seems a case of bury your head in the sand and hope it all turns out ok. Once the houses are built there is no going back so by then who cares. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 3

12:37pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Btw, are £200-300k houses going to help the demand for housing. Are they the houses in most need?

Looks like greed to me. I'm sure the most urgent requirement for houses is at the lower end or social housing, but what do I know.
Btw, are £200-300k houses going to help the demand for housing. Are they the houses in most need? Looks like greed to me. I'm sure the most urgent requirement for houses is at the lower end or social housing, but what do I know. Thee Voice of Reason
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12:56pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Btw, are £200-300k houses going to help the demand for housing. Are they the houses in most need?

Looks like greed to me. I'm sure the most urgent requirement for houses is at the lower end or social housing, but what do I know.
Well if they sell, you obviously know very little, they will of course free up other houses when people move.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Btw, are £200-300k houses going to help the demand for housing. Are they the houses in most need? Looks like greed to me. I'm sure the most urgent requirement for houses is at the lower end or social housing, but what do I know.[/p][/quote]Well if they sell, you obviously know very little, they will of course free up other houses when people move. Albion.
  • Score: 3

1:00pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.
I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?
I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help?
Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley.
Yes, they all have nice safe seats in areas they prefer not to live in. Alot of the portfolio holders of the Labour group live in areas away from where they represent.

People would be more tollerant with these plans for new houses if the council actually anounced what they will do regarding roads, schools and other infrastructure, they don't they keep quiet and the community has to cope with little to no help.

The canal road scheme, not one detail on what they will do regarding an influx of a huge number of houses on one of the busiest roads in Bradford.

I've asked several times about the effect of 440 houses will have on the few local schools in the area, I've recieved no response it to me seems a case of bury your head in the sand and hope it all turns out ok. Once the houses are built there is no going back so by then who cares.
It is very rare to build infrastructure before demand anywhere, I suspect you'd still find something to moan about if they did.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.[/p][/quote]I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?[/p][/quote]I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help?[/p][/quote]Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley.[/p][/quote]Yes, they all have nice safe seats in areas they prefer not to live in. Alot of the portfolio holders of the Labour group live in areas away from where they represent. People would be more tollerant with these plans for new houses if the council actually anounced what they will do regarding roads, schools and other infrastructure, they don't they keep quiet and the community has to cope with little to no help. The canal road scheme, not one detail on what they will do regarding an influx of a huge number of houses on one of the busiest roads in Bradford. I've asked several times about the effect of 440 houses will have on the few local schools in the area, I've recieved no response it to me seems a case of bury your head in the sand and hope it all turns out ok. Once the houses are built there is no going back so by then who cares.[/p][/quote]It is very rare to build infrastructure before demand anywhere, I suspect you'd still find something to moan about if they did. Albion.
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Btw, are £200-300k houses going to help the demand for housing. Are they the houses in most need? Looks like greed to me. I'm sure the most urgent requirement for houses is at the lower end or social housing, but what do I know.
Well if they sell, you obviously know very little, they will of course free up other houses when people move.
Or people may move to these houses and rent their houses out in the end owning 2 houses whilst many still end up with none.

Like I said if the council reponded to what they will do to improve the infrastruture of the area instead of hoping the question went away, I maybe more inclined to support these areas.

Also like mentioned in the T&A earlier, why greenbelt land has been given to developers when there is a huge brownfield site less than a mile away to be built on, suggests the council are following the easy option for more council tax, rather than the interest of residents.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Btw, are £200-300k houses going to help the demand for housing. Are they the houses in most need? Looks like greed to me. I'm sure the most urgent requirement for houses is at the lower end or social housing, but what do I know.[/p][/quote]Well if they sell, you obviously know very little, they will of course free up other houses when people move.[/p][/quote]Or people may move to these houses and rent their houses out in the end owning 2 houses whilst many still end up with none. Like I said if the council reponded to what they will do to improve the infrastruture of the area instead of hoping the question went away, I maybe more inclined to support these areas. Also like mentioned in the T&A earlier, why greenbelt land has been given to developers when there is a huge brownfield site less than a mile away to be built on, suggests the council are following the easy option for more council tax, rather than the interest of residents. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Albion. wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.
I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?
I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help?
Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley.
Yes, they all have nice safe seats in areas they prefer not to live in. Alot of the portfolio holders of the Labour group live in areas away from where they represent. People would be more tollerant with these plans for new houses if the council actually anounced what they will do regarding roads, schools and other infrastructure, they don't they keep quiet and the community has to cope with little to no help. The canal road scheme, not one detail on what they will do regarding an influx of a huge number of houses on one of the busiest roads in Bradford. I've asked several times about the effect of 440 houses will have on the few local schools in the area, I've recieved no response it to me seems a case of bury your head in the sand and hope it all turns out ok. Once the houses are built there is no going back so by then who cares.
It is very rare to build infrastructure before demand anywhere, I suspect you'd still find something to moan about if they did.
The school in that area are already full. Infact the council accept schools in Bradford are oversubscribed all over the district, so it makes sense to sort out the school places crisis anyhow, as with the high birth rate of Bradford it's going to get worse before extra houses are made availible.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Val Slaters war on the middle class, whilst she lives up in Eldwick on a road with £1m houses and plenty of green field areas round her. A proper Champagne Socialist if ever you saw one.[/p][/quote]I don't support Labour or her, but why bring that up, do you know all of her personal circumstances leading up to her living there, do you expect her to live in a flat in Thorpe Edge or somewhere?[/p][/quote]I bring that up because she wants to dump 440 houses on my doorstep but doesn't appear to be quite as happy to sign off land round where she lives to be used by developers. She also represents Royds when she lives on the other side of the City and it was her who came on the T&A proclaiming herself as Devils Advocate to the Middle Class whilst she lives among them. So thats why I brought it up, that help?[/p][/quote]Not really, it just smacks of sour grapes. Someone has applied to build there (not her), there is actually a scrapyard up her road (or was for many years). A lot of councillors don't live in the area that they represent, David Green represents Wibsey but lives in Shipley.[/p][/quote]Yes, they all have nice safe seats in areas they prefer not to live in. Alot of the portfolio holders of the Labour group live in areas away from where they represent. People would be more tollerant with these plans for new houses if the council actually anounced what they will do regarding roads, schools and other infrastructure, they don't they keep quiet and the community has to cope with little to no help. The canal road scheme, not one detail on what they will do regarding an influx of a huge number of houses on one of the busiest roads in Bradford. I've asked several times about the effect of 440 houses will have on the few local schools in the area, I've recieved no response it to me seems a case of bury your head in the sand and hope it all turns out ok. Once the houses are built there is no going back so by then who cares.[/p][/quote]It is very rare to build infrastructure before demand anywhere, I suspect you'd still find something to moan about if they did.[/p][/quote]The school in that area are already full. Infact the council accept schools in Bradford are oversubscribed all over the district, so it makes sense to sort out the school places crisis anyhow, as with the high birth rate of Bradford it's going to get worse before extra houses are made availible. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

1:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Maybe the rest of Bradford should take the Duckworth Lane method of making sure things they don't want are never implemented.
Maybe the rest of Bradford should take the Duckworth Lane method of making sure things they don't want are never implemented. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 4

2:41pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Scrutiny says...

All About Denocracy

The role of Mrs Slater Her comments are wholly inaccurate on many occasions we have attempted to contact her as ward councillor over planning matters to no avail as it did not suit the labour agenda

Here are a few facts if you nominate her as your chosen member on a planning matter you will find the case load gets passed to one other . Why . Because she carries a port folio the strategy is to avoid representing you so there is not a withdrawal on a nominated position because of a conflict of interest Democracy at Work ? Not for the Ward of Royds

Another case example in 2005 Mr Gerry Sutcliffe was apporached to write a letter of support on a Village Green . A petition of 1600 pen was submitted to planning ( worth bearing in mind as thats substantially more than the ward mandate ) The labour office assistant was sent to copy it and subsequently used to send election material for the 2005 General Election . The petitioners where advised of the good service Mr Sutcliffe had promised to undertake . 3 weeks later I am afraid I cant support it because there are issues with it . I 'll leave you to make your own mind

Its not just the website that does not work some of the biggest finanavial blunders in the City arise from poor quality incestuous legal advice and Planning Blunders I need not mention the failure to Adopt Designated Housing Sites or Environmentla Impact Assessments

All parties are at fault here I I have it on leaked authority that representation in various wards is negotiated between parties you dont field a candidate in the land of red and we wont field one in the land of blue Thats Democray
All About Denocracy The role of Mrs Slater Her comments are wholly inaccurate on many occasions we have attempted to contact her as ward councillor over planning matters to no avail as it did not suit the labour agenda Here are a few facts if you nominate her as your chosen member on a planning matter you will find the case load gets passed to one other . Why . Because she carries a port folio the strategy is to avoid representing you so there is not a withdrawal on a nominated position because of a conflict of interest Democracy at Work ? Not for the Ward of Royds Another case example in 2005 Mr Gerry Sutcliffe was apporached to write a letter of support on a Village Green . A petition of 1600 pen was submitted to planning ( worth bearing in mind as thats substantially more than the ward mandate ) The labour office assistant was sent to copy it and subsequently used to send election material for the 2005 General Election . The petitioners where advised of the good service Mr Sutcliffe had promised to undertake . 3 weeks later I am afraid I cant support it because there are issues with it . I 'll leave you to make your own mind Its not just the website that does not work some of the biggest finanavial blunders in the City arise from poor quality incestuous legal advice and Planning Blunders I need not mention the failure to Adopt Designated Housing Sites or Environmentla Impact Assessments All parties are at fault here I I have it on leaked authority that representation in various wards is negotiated between parties you dont field a candidate in the land of red and we wont field one in the land of blue Thats Democray Scrutiny
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2:57am Mon 4 Aug 14

steeton stallion says...

I reported this problem to the Keighley News 13/ March/2014 and they contacted the planning department who came back with a load of waffle about how the site would be closed down for 2 days in March for major repairs. I had watched this site for a period of time and noticed that every Friday it would go "off air" as if it was being turned off for the weekend when most people wanted to access it, see Keighley News for full report
I reported this problem to the Keighley News 13/ March/2014 and they contacted the planning department who came back with a load of waffle about how the site would be closed down for 2 days in March for major repairs. I had watched this site for a period of time and noticed that every Friday it would go "off air" as if it was being turned off for the weekend when most people wanted to access it, see Keighley News for full report steeton stallion
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11:55am Mon 4 Aug 14

steeton stallion says...

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http://www.keighleyn ews.co.uk/news/11075 283.Eastburn_objecto rs_complain_website_ keeps_crashing/ steeton stallion
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