Police 'Quad Squad' vows to rid Bradford's streets of bike menace

Police 'Quad Squad' vows to rid Bradford's streets of bike menace

Chief Inspector Damien Miller, head of Neighbourhoods and Inspector George Bardell, who leads the bike team

Some of the bikes seized so far

Some of the bikes seized so far

Some of the bikes seized so far

Some of the bikes seized so far

First published in News

Police chiefs have set up a new dedicated team to crack down on "dangerous" quad bikers and motorbikers across the Bradford district.

And the team has got off to a positive start, seizing five bikes, making two arrests and handing out a number of warnings in its first week of operation.

The anti-bike nuisance team was set up by Bradford Police following a string of complaints from residents and alarming incidents involving off road bikes.

The most serious happened on the Bierley estate in April when a 51-year-old grandmother was badly injured when she was hit by a quad bike as she waited at a bus stop with her grandson.

The woman is thought to have shoved the pram, with her seven-month-old grandson in it, out of the way of the bike. Her arm was broken in 27 places.

The rider was also seriously injured but has been discharged from hospital and has been reported for summons on allegations of dangerous driving and having no insurance.

In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence for his "idiot" riding of an off road trials bike, which included riding on the pavement, darting in and out of parked vehicles and performing wheelies.

The new team, as well as responding to calls, works closely with Bradford Council and social housing provider Incommunities to take action against repeat offenders, or those found to be storing bikes which have been used in an anti-social manner.

A phone number and email address have been set up for people to submit details anonymously of suspected nuisance riders, and where bikes are being kept.

Tackling Anti-Social Behaviour Together Week begins in Bradford today, with a week of activities addressing issues of anti-social behaviour and low level crime.

Throughout the week leaflets will be circulated to highlight the action which could be taken against those using motorbikes and quad bikes anti-socially, or those who are keeping such machines on their properties.

Chief Inspector Damien Miller, of Bradford District Police, said: "This team is tackling Bradford's nuisance riders, and taking action against those who store these bikes at their properties.

"Those found to be using bikes to cause a nuisance or riding them in a dangerous manner can expect to have them seized. Repeat offenders will face further action, which could lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences.

"People keeping these bikes on their premises could also face police action, with those who live in rented properties at risk of losing their tenancy.

"We will do all we can to tackle the nuisance use of bikes and quad bikes in Bradford, but we need people to give us any information they have on who might be riding these machines and where they might be stored."

Karen Lee, director of Incommunities, said: “We are committed to working together with the Police and the Council to tackle the anti-social use of quad bikes and motorbikes."

Councillor Imran Hussain, Bradford Council’s Executive Member for Safer and Stronger Communities, said: “Those using these bikes in an anti-social way are posing a danger to themselves and other people, as well as causing a nuisance to local residents and businesses. I hope this clampdown will help to tackle the problem.”

Mark Burns Williamson, the Police and Crime Commissioner for West Yorkshire, said: “Anti-social behaviour can make people’s lives a misery and this initiative should serve as a warning to those causing problems for people in their communities."

To pass information to the team, call 01274 373968 or email Bradforddistrictasbbiketeam@westyorkshire.pnn.police.uk

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4:26pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Rambo says...

"In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence"

"Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences"

And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.
"In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence" "Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences" And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist. Rambo
  • Score: 39

4:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

Rambo wrote:
"In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence"

"Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences"

And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.
Exactly my thought

Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen

Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well.

Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: "In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence" "Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences" And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.[/p][/quote]Exactly my thought Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well. Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police Andy2010
  • Score: 45

5:22pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Apollo says...

I understand the Team seized 2 bikes from idiots riding on the Flappit Quarry yesterday.

In which case a big WELL DONE.

That area is closed to off road biking and the parking of vans etc in the area should also lead to them being seized as well.
I understand the Team seized 2 bikes from idiots riding on the Flappit Quarry yesterday. In which case a big WELL DONE. That area is closed to off road biking and the parking of vans etc in the area should also lead to them being seized as well. Apollo
  • Score: 12

5:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

hammo10 says...

why don't they use all the money their waisting chasing them about and put it in the flappits getting reopened ? its about time the police stopped all these horses crapping all over the place as well. clean up after your pets. tramps
why don't they use all the money their waisting chasing them about and put it in the flappits getting reopened ? its about time the police stopped all these horses crapping all over the place as well. clean up after your pets. tramps hammo10
  • Score: 5

6:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Typical behaviour from the usual benefit-scrounging chavs on the many sink-estates in the City.

Nothing'll happen in the long run; just a slap on the wrist and the idiots will be back on the bikes again.

One more thing; are the so-called parents of these individuals being spoken to?

And are they not ashamed of their offspring ?

(I feel they don't give a sh!t hence the state of certain communities in the area)
Typical behaviour from the usual benefit-scrounging chavs on the many sink-estates in the City. Nothing'll happen in the long run; just a slap on the wrist and the idiots will be back on the bikes again. One more thing; are the so-called parents of these individuals being spoken to? And are they not ashamed of their offspring ? (I feel they don't give a sh!t hence the state of certain communities in the area) Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 12

6:59pm Mon 14 Jul 14

chrisg1bbo says...

Why dont they create somewhere for kids to play on bikes .......
I had them from the age of 7 and was never flying around the roads like an idiot ....
Bikes are here to stay so best to get places sorted for them instead of closing down the flappits etc
Why dont they create somewhere for kids to play on bikes ....... I had them from the age of 7 and was never flying around the roads like an idiot .... Bikes are here to stay so best to get places sorted for them instead of closing down the flappits etc chrisg1bbo
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them. Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 41

8:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

handoff says...

Apollo wrote:
I understand the Team seized 2 bikes from idiots riding on the Flappit Quarry yesterday.

In which case a big WELL DONE.

That area is closed to off road biking and the parking of vans etc in the area should also lead to them being seized as well.
And why are they idiots? They were off the road, no where near any houses. Problems have escalated with the closing of this venue. Clamp down on criminals stealing bikes, riding uninsured and riding the roads dangerously, not those pursing their hobby. Here we have a case of 'I don't do it so it should be banned'

A bit more discernment please, the vast majority of bikers are not yobs. I remember the same attitude towards cyclists not that long ago. Bring it into the mainstream and regulate it safely. Force out the yobs.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: I understand the Team seized 2 bikes from idiots riding on the Flappit Quarry yesterday. In which case a big WELL DONE. That area is closed to off road biking and the parking of vans etc in the area should also lead to them being seized as well.[/p][/quote]And why are they idiots? They were off the road, no where near any houses. Problems have escalated with the closing of this venue. Clamp down on criminals stealing bikes, riding uninsured and riding the roads dangerously, not those pursing their hobby. Here we have a case of 'I don't do it so it should be banned' A bit more discernment please, the vast majority of bikers are not yobs. I remember the same attitude towards cyclists not that long ago. Bring it into the mainstream and regulate it safely. Force out the yobs. handoff
  • Score: 8

8:47pm Mon 14 Jul 14

handoff says...

Glad_I_got_out wrote:
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye.
[quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye. handoff
  • Score: 1

8:54pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

handoff wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye.
Remove the log in my own eye?? No idea what your talking about! Could you clarify that remark please?

I didn't mean kids playing at the flappits, I mean kids playing in the streets where the bikers make their way to the flappits, as I'm pretty sure the majority of these riders wont have trailers to take their bikes to the there. Hope that's cleared up for you.
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye.[/p][/quote]Remove the log in my own eye?? No idea what your talking about! Could you clarify that remark please? I didn't mean kids playing at the flappits, I mean kids playing in the streets where the bikers make their way to the flappits, as I'm pretty sure the majority of these riders wont have trailers to take their bikes to the there. Hope that's cleared up for you. Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 1

8:56pm Mon 14 Jul 14

mad matt says...

Every fine evening we get these idiots thundering round the streets of Manningham, not just quad bikes but off-road bikes as well. They have no regard for the rules of the road, going wrong side of the keep-left bollards on Whetley Hill and riding wrong way down Bavaria Place which has been a one-way street for years.
Sooner or later someone will get killed, lets hope it will just be one of the idiots!
Every fine evening we get these idiots thundering round the streets of Manningham, not just quad bikes but off-road bikes as well. They have no regard for the rules of the road, going wrong side of the keep-left bollards on Whetley Hill and riding wrong way down Bavaria Place which has been a one-way street for years. Sooner or later someone will get killed, lets hope it will just be one of the idiots! mad matt
  • Score: 22

9:06pm Mon 14 Jul 14

adi1980 says...

sad sad SAD!!! they close all the places you can go then moan about bikes and 4x4s going where they shouldn't where would u like us to go BUTTON MOON????......to all them that say all bikes should be banned and there all chavs...need to get a grip! your no dout the same people that moan about kids on corners etc etc...i was at a pay and play site on sunday which are getting harder to find as the intelligent council likes to close them down !! with the police having to do this does it not show that there is a big demand for somewhere for bikes and 4x4s to go have some fun/a day out
sad sad SAD!!! they close all the places you can go then moan about bikes and 4x4s going where they shouldn't where would u like us to go BUTTON MOON????......to all them that say all bikes should be banned and there all chavs...need to get a grip! your no dout the same people that moan about kids on corners etc etc...i was at a pay and play site on sunday which are getting harder to find as the intelligent council likes to close them down !! with the police having to do this does it not show that there is a big demand for somewhere for bikes and 4x4s to go have some fun/a day out adi1980
  • Score: -3

9:06pm Mon 14 Jul 14

son123 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Rambo wrote:
"In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence"

"Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences"

And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.
Exactly my thought

Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen

Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well.

Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police
Would this not lead them to then commit more crimes eg burglary or mugging to get by. Maybe seizing bike or quad and higher fines so they carnt afford one maybe better or like us car drivers higher tax and insurance on them. It wouldnt matter if the reopened designated areas for them. Theres still that group that doesnt think the law applys to them. Sheer disregard for others safety. Eg that 3 yr old girl as she was getting off bus with her mum and was left fighting for her life. Was those low lifes ever caught! X
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: "In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence" "Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences" And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.[/p][/quote]Exactly my thought Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well. Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police[/p][/quote]Would this not lead them to then commit more crimes eg burglary or mugging to get by. Maybe seizing bike or quad and higher fines so they carnt afford one maybe better or like us car drivers higher tax and insurance on them. It wouldnt matter if the reopened designated areas for them. Theres still that group that doesnt think the law applys to them. Sheer disregard for others safety. Eg that 3 yr old girl as she was getting off bus with her mum and was left fighting for her life. Was those low lifes ever caught! X son123
  • Score: 6

9:11pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

adi1980 wrote:
sad sad SAD!!! they close all the places you can go then moan about bikes and 4x4s going where they shouldn't where would u like us to go BUTTON MOON????......to all them that say all bikes should be banned and there all chavs...need to get a grip! your no dout the same people that moan about kids on corners etc etc...i was at a pay and play site on sunday which are getting harder to find as the intelligent council likes to close them down !! with the police having to do this does it not show that there is a big demand for somewhere for bikes and 4x4s to go have some fun/a day out
I wouldn't ban bikes, I have no problems with responsible riders riding where they should. I do have a problem with uninsured louts riding around estates where kids are playing.
[quote][p][bold]adi1980[/bold] wrote: sad sad SAD!!! they close all the places you can go then moan about bikes and 4x4s going where they shouldn't where would u like us to go BUTTON MOON????......to all them that say all bikes should be banned and there all chavs...need to get a grip! your no dout the same people that moan about kids on corners etc etc...i was at a pay and play site on sunday which are getting harder to find as the intelligent council likes to close them down !! with the police having to do this does it not show that there is a big demand for somewhere for bikes and 4x4s to go have some fun/a day out[/p][/quote]I wouldn't ban bikes, I have no problems with responsible riders riding where they should. I do have a problem with uninsured louts riding around estates where kids are playing. Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 15

9:16pm Mon 14 Jul 14

adi1980 says...

Glad_I_got_out wrote:
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guys"!
[quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guys"! adi1980
  • Score: 6

9:20pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

adi1980 wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guys"!
Totally agree with you. I just don't want the idiots on the roads/paths being a danger.
If I had the land then I'd set something up, would probably make a killing!
[quote][p][bold]adi1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guys"![/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. I just don't want the idiots on the roads/paths being a danger. If I had the land then I'd set something up, would probably make a killing! Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 10

9:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

handoff says...

Glad_I_got_out wrote:
handoff wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye.
Remove the log in my own eye?? No idea what your talking about! Could you clarify that remark please?

I didn't mean kids playing at the flappits, I mean kids playing in the streets where the bikers make their way to the flappits, as I'm pretty sure the majority of these riders wont have trailers to take their bikes to the there. Hope that's cleared up for you.
Go read you bible ... Oh never mind. It is a metaphor. So much anger. So much intolerance. I decided to go off road after 40 years of road riding motorbikes. Car drivers have become more and more aggressive and I wanted to continue my passion in safety, but I have encountered so much hostility from people who do not ride it's staggering. I ride with a responsible national organisation with members my age (near enough) and several who are police, but I am treated like a criminal and a social pariah. All we ask is for some discernment.

May I suggest a far larger problem is uninsured car drivers. When a bike crashes, it's usually the biker who is killed. When a car driver crashes it is someone else who is killed. I speak as one who spent 25 minutes at a recent accident watching helplessly as someone died in front of me because of a careless car driver.
[quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye.[/p][/quote]Remove the log in my own eye?? No idea what your talking about! Could you clarify that remark please? I didn't mean kids playing at the flappits, I mean kids playing in the streets where the bikers make their way to the flappits, as I'm pretty sure the majority of these riders wont have trailers to take their bikes to the there. Hope that's cleared up for you.[/p][/quote]Go read you bible ... Oh never mind. It is a metaphor. So much anger. So much intolerance. I decided to go off road after 40 years of road riding motorbikes. Car drivers have become more and more aggressive and I wanted to continue my passion in safety, but I have encountered so much hostility from people who do not ride it's staggering. I ride with a responsible national organisation with members my age (near enough) and several who are police, but I am treated like a criminal and a social pariah. All we ask is for some discernment. May I suggest a far larger problem is uninsured car drivers. When a bike crashes, it's usually the biker who is killed. When a car driver crashes it is someone else who is killed. I speak as one who spent 25 minutes at a recent accident watching helplessly as someone died in front of me because of a careless car driver. handoff
  • Score: 1

9:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

adi1980 says...

Glad_I_got_out wrote:
adi1980 wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guys"!
Totally agree with you. I just don't want the idiots on the roads/paths being a danger.
If I had the land then I'd set something up, would probably make a killing!
same here a off road bike/4x4 that has no tax/mot etc.. that is on the road should be taken off the road...but the sad thing is even if you did have the land you would make a killing for abit till the council CLOSED you down {this has just happend not far from me} i have been going to this place for years the council come up with badges and closed it down but yet the moan about bikes been a pain IF THE COUNCIL HAD A BRAIN THEY WOULD BE DANGEROUS
[quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adi1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guys"![/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. I just don't want the idiots on the roads/paths being a danger. If I had the land then I'd set something up, would probably make a killing![/p][/quote]same here a off road bike/4x4 that has no tax/mot etc.. that is on the road should be taken off the road...but the sad thing is even if you did have the land you would make a killing for abit till the council CLOSED you down {this has just happend not far from me} i have been going to this place for years the council come up with badges and closed it down but yet the moan about bikes been a pain IF THE COUNCIL HAD A BRAIN THEY WOULD BE DANGEROUS adi1980
  • Score: 6

9:38pm Mon 14 Jul 14

adi1980 says...

there would be a very easy fix in the case of the flappits put a CCTV cam any1 seen on a the road using a none registered bike/4x4 gets it crushed stay on the flappits and have fun ....but would be to much egg on the councils face
there would be a very easy fix in the case of the flappits put a CCTV cam any1 seen on a the road using a none registered bike/4x4 gets it crushed stay on the flappits and have fun ....but would be to much egg on the councils face adi1980
  • Score: 4

10:26pm Mon 14 Jul 14

jender says...

My daughter and her 3 babies and myself were run off the road yesterday afternoon by three freaks who skipped a red light at the traffic lights by Sainsbury's on Leeds road at Greengates. They came through the lights doing wheelies and continued all the way to Immanuel school. They wore no helmets and none of their bikes were road legal. They all had balaclavas on. Apparently they hit a car later on yesterday too because of their disgusting selfish behaviour. They made us have to leave the road and take an alternative route home. I and many others have no problem with legal bike riders - on or off the road but dangerous criminal brain-dead scum like those 3 yesterday need far more punishment than a suspended sentence. If my daughter wasn't such a confident and experienced driver those pathetic criminal d. heads yesterday could have killed 3 generations of my family. Crush the bikes and quads and give them prison time to think of the danger they cause with their rubbish and criminal bike riding skills. Lastly it might not be so bad if these losers actually knew how to ride their bikes responsibly and correctly. Obviously those 3 just use their crappy bikes as extensions of their little man bits!
My daughter and her 3 babies and myself were run off the road yesterday afternoon by three freaks who skipped a red light at the traffic lights by Sainsbury's on Leeds road at Greengates. They came through the lights doing wheelies and continued all the way to Immanuel school. They wore no helmets and none of their bikes were road legal. They all had balaclavas on. Apparently they hit a car later on yesterday too because of their disgusting selfish behaviour. They made us have to leave the road and take an alternative route home. I and many others have no problem with legal bike riders - on or off the road but dangerous criminal brain-dead scum like those 3 yesterday need far more punishment than a suspended sentence. If my daughter wasn't such a confident and experienced driver those pathetic criminal d. heads yesterday could have killed 3 generations of my family. Crush the bikes and quads and give them prison time to think of the danger they cause with their rubbish and criminal bike riding skills. Lastly it might not be so bad if these losers actually knew how to ride their bikes responsibly and correctly. Obviously those 3 just use their crappy bikes as extensions of their little man bits! jender
  • Score: 33

10:36pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

handoff wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
handoff wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do.
Good on the Police for doing something about them.
Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye.
Remove the log in my own eye?? No idea what your talking about! Could you clarify that remark please?

I didn't mean kids playing at the flappits, I mean kids playing in the streets where the bikers make their way to the flappits, as I'm pretty sure the majority of these riders wont have trailers to take their bikes to the there. Hope that's cleared up for you.
Go read you bible ... Oh never mind. It is a metaphor. So much anger. So much intolerance. I decided to go off road after 40 years of road riding motorbikes. Car drivers have become more and more aggressive and I wanted to continue my passion in safety, but I have encountered so much hostility from people who do not ride it's staggering. I ride with a responsible national organisation with members my age (near enough) and several who are police, but I am treated like a criminal and a social pariah. All we ask is for some discernment.

May I suggest a far larger problem is uninsured car drivers. When a bike crashes, it's usually the biker who is killed. When a car driver crashes it is someone else who is killed. I speak as one who spent 25 minutes at a recent accident watching helplessly as someone died in front of me because of a careless car driver.
Where on earth did bibles come into this? I'm confused, stop talking in riddles man!

And I mention off road bikes as this is the subject, not sure why your bringing uninsured cars into this. Nobody is treating you 'like a criminal', I'm pretty sure that your not flying around estates with no helmet on near where kids are playing!

Enjoy your hobby and do it safely. I enjoy clay pigeon shooting, there aren't many places for me to go to pursue my hobby, I wouldn't dream of taking my hobby to the streets of Holmewood!
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]Never seen a kid there playing in the last 25 years. Perhaps you should remove the log in your own eye.[/p][/quote]Remove the log in my own eye?? No idea what your talking about! Could you clarify that remark please? I didn't mean kids playing at the flappits, I mean kids playing in the streets where the bikers make their way to the flappits, as I'm pretty sure the majority of these riders wont have trailers to take their bikes to the there. Hope that's cleared up for you.[/p][/quote]Go read you bible ... Oh never mind. It is a metaphor. So much anger. So much intolerance. I decided to go off road after 40 years of road riding motorbikes. Car drivers have become more and more aggressive and I wanted to continue my passion in safety, but I have encountered so much hostility from people who do not ride it's staggering. I ride with a responsible national organisation with members my age (near enough) and several who are police, but I am treated like a criminal and a social pariah. All we ask is for some discernment. May I suggest a far larger problem is uninsured car drivers. When a bike crashes, it's usually the biker who is killed. When a car driver crashes it is someone else who is killed. I speak as one who spent 25 minutes at a recent accident watching helplessly as someone died in front of me because of a careless car driver.[/p][/quote]Where on earth did bibles come into this? I'm confused, stop talking in riddles man! And I mention off road bikes as this is the subject, not sure why your bringing uninsured cars into this. Nobody is treating you 'like a criminal', I'm pretty sure that your not flying around estates with no helmet on near where kids are playing! Enjoy your hobby and do it safely. I enjoy clay pigeon shooting, there aren't many places for me to go to pursue my hobby, I wouldn't dream of taking my hobby to the streets of Holmewood! Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 6

5:41am Tue 15 Jul 14

collos25 says...

You must remember the last time after the photo shoot and all the publicity these bikes were withdrawn for various reasons and stored in Cleckheaton or Heckmondwike were they were stolen,so do not hold your breath.The police in Bradford are very good at saying they will do something but very poor in actually doing it.
You must remember the last time after the photo shoot and all the publicity these bikes were withdrawn for various reasons and stored in Cleckheaton or Heckmondwike were they were stolen,so do not hold your breath.The police in Bradford are very good at saying they will do something but very poor in actually doing it. collos25
  • Score: 4

6:54am Tue 15 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

How can anyone say opening the flappits will reduce these idiots on the road

The problem ones couldn't care less about the flappits . They simply want to show off thinking they look good pulling wheelies and intimidating drivers and pedestrians when in fact they look like complete and utter d#@£heads
How can anyone say opening the flappits will reduce these idiots on the road The problem ones couldn't care less about the flappits . They simply want to show off thinking they look good pulling wheelies and intimidating drivers and pedestrians when in fact they look like complete and utter d#@£heads Andy2010
  • Score: 4

7:39am Tue 15 Jul 14

Simon4567 says...

This has got nothing to do with the flappits, the riders they are targeting are not sensible types they are feral idiots.

They have no respect for people or the law which is why you see them screaming around the streets at high speed with no helmets on looking like something out of a mad max movie.

Of course this is all just PR, the reality is the cops cannot do anything with these kids other than arrest them, take away their bikes and fine them for having no tax, license or insurance. The key thing is these kids don't care abut being arrested or fines, they will just be back on bikes the next day, time to get tough perhaps ? Bring back the stocks and the birch rod.
This has got nothing to do with the flappits, the riders they are targeting are not sensible types they are feral idiots. They have no respect for people or the law which is why you see them screaming around the streets at high speed with no helmets on looking like something out of a mad max movie. Of course this is all just PR, the reality is the cops cannot do anything with these kids other than arrest them, take away their bikes and fine them for having no tax, license or insurance. The key thing is these kids don't care abut being arrested or fines, they will just be back on bikes the next day, time to get tough perhaps ? Bring back the stocks and the birch rod. Simon4567
  • Score: 3

8:50am Tue 15 Jul 14

adi1980 says...

Simon4567 wrote:
This has got nothing to do with the flappits, the riders they are targeting are not sensible types they are feral idiots.

They have no respect for people or the law which is why you see them screaming around the streets at high speed with no helmets on looking like something out of a mad max movie.

Of course this is all just PR, the reality is the cops cannot do anything with these kids other than arrest them, take away their bikes and fine them for having no tax, license or insurance. The key thing is these kids don't care abut being arrested or fines, they will just be back on bikes the next day, time to get tough perhaps ? Bring back the stocks and the birch rod.
the police have taken 2 bikes from the flappits thats how it has something to do with the flappits,you get muppets in all walks of life be it on a bike in a 4x4s .As before if on the road with a un taxed etc..bike/car yes crushed/fined etc..but as i said they shut all the places down that you can go so what do they think will happen comment sense really..how would people like it if you had a hobby and the police/council no you carnt do it any more who are they to say what hobbys we can and can not do!! dont for get them that do it right put ££££ into it..its like saying the kids that race around in cars is because of rallying/bttc/f1 so lets ban that aswell
[quote][p][bold]Simon4567[/bold] wrote: This has got nothing to do with the flappits, the riders they are targeting are not sensible types they are feral idiots. They have no respect for people or the law which is why you see them screaming around the streets at high speed with no helmets on looking like something out of a mad max movie. Of course this is all just PR, the reality is the cops cannot do anything with these kids other than arrest them, take away their bikes and fine them for having no tax, license or insurance. The key thing is these kids don't care abut being arrested or fines, they will just be back on bikes the next day, time to get tough perhaps ? Bring back the stocks and the birch rod.[/p][/quote]the police have taken 2 bikes from the flappits thats how it has something to do with the flappits,you get muppets in all walks of life be it on a bike in a 4x4s .As before if on the road with a un taxed etc..bike/car yes crushed/fined etc..but as i said they shut all the places down that you can go so what do they think will happen comment sense really..how would people like it if you had a hobby and the police/council no you carnt do it any more who are they to say what hobbys we can and can not do!! dont for get them that do it right put ££££ into it..its like saying the kids that race around in cars is because of rallying/bttc/f1 so lets ban that aswell adi1980
  • Score: -4

8:53am Tue 15 Jul 14

adi1980 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
How can anyone say opening the flappits will reduce these idiots on the road

The problem ones couldn't care less about the flappits . They simply want to show off thinking they look good pulling wheelies and intimidating drivers and pedestrians when in fact they look like complete and utter d#@£heads
if they shut all the grass tracks and hill climbs events and race tracks down where do you think it would end up? on the streets
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: How can anyone say opening the flappits will reduce these idiots on the road The problem ones couldn't care less about the flappits . They simply want to show off thinking they look good pulling wheelies and intimidating drivers and pedestrians when in fact they look like complete and utter d#@£heads[/p][/quote]if they shut all the grass tracks and hill climbs events and race tracks down where do you think it would end up? on the streets adi1980
  • Score: 2

9:10am Tue 15 Jul 14

SLK9835 says...

I think that the off road team is a great idea!

I ride enduro bikes and my bike is 100% road legal however I often still use a trailer to transport it to venues that I know I can ride on, For example Tong off road centre just outside of Bradford or Cown Quarry in Rochdale. I am also a member of a national organisation that rides on legal green lanes using legal machines. I also used to ride an off road bike for Bradford council working alongside the police.

The riders you see on the road pulling wheelies on illegal bikes are often on stolen bikes that they have taken from hard working people like myself. They unfortunately give the rest of us a bad name. Many of the riders from my club are hard working respectable people but the general perception is that we are all to$$ers on crossers.

I live near to the flappit and I was gutted when it shut, the site could be a great place, I’m told that allot of people from Cullingworth complained about the noise but I cant see it being that bad, no worse than the general sound of traffic on the roads. There were also idiots not using safety equipment and again riding on the roads on illegal bikes and a lot of noise about people getting injured on the site. If it was marshalled and controlled properly this would reduce a lot of problems.
Now they are moaning that it is shut, they are their own worst enemy.

I hope that the legal riders are not targeted constantly when using the legal routes, that said we are not likely to be ragging them around the neighbourhoods causing alarm to people. I have no problem with talking to the officers and having them check my details as I have nothing to hide.

Don’t tarnish us all with the brush, Many off road riders are legal and respectable but there are a few that will let us down.
I think that the off road team is a great idea! I ride enduro bikes and my bike is 100% road legal however I often still use a trailer to transport it to venues that I know I can ride on, For example Tong off road centre just outside of Bradford or Cown Quarry in Rochdale. I am also a member of a national organisation that rides on legal green lanes using legal machines. I also used to ride an off road bike for Bradford council working alongside the police. The riders you see on the road pulling wheelies on illegal bikes are often on stolen bikes that they have taken from hard working people like myself. They unfortunately give the rest of us a bad name. Many of the riders from my club are hard working respectable people but the general perception is that we are all to$$ers on crossers. I live near to the flappit and I was gutted when it shut, the site could be a great place, I’m told that allot of people from Cullingworth complained about the noise but I cant see it being that bad, no worse than the general sound of traffic on the roads. There were also idiots not using safety equipment and again riding on the roads on illegal bikes and a lot of noise about people getting injured on the site. If it was marshalled and controlled properly this would reduce a lot of problems. Now they are moaning that it is shut, they are their own worst enemy. I hope that the legal riders are not targeted constantly when using the legal routes, that said we are not likely to be ragging them around the neighbourhoods causing alarm to people. I have no problem with talking to the officers and having them check my details as I have nothing to hide. Don’t tarnish us all with the brush, Many off road riders are legal and respectable but there are a few that will let us down. SLK9835
  • Score: 5

9:19am Tue 15 Jul 14

adi1980 says...

SLK9835 wrote:
I think that the off road team is a great idea!

I ride enduro bikes and my bike is 100% road legal however I often still use a trailer to transport it to venues that I know I can ride on, For example Tong off road centre just outside of Bradford or Cown Quarry in Rochdale. I am also a member of a national organisation that rides on legal green lanes using legal machines. I also used to ride an off road bike for Bradford council working alongside the police.

The riders you see on the road pulling wheelies on illegal bikes are often on stolen bikes that they have taken from hard working people like myself. They unfortunately give the rest of us a bad name. Many of the riders from my club are hard working respectable people but the general perception is that we are all to$$ers on crossers.

I live near to the flappit and I was gutted when it shut, the site could be a great place, I’m told that allot of people from Cullingworth complained about the noise but I cant see it being that bad, no worse than the general sound of traffic on the roads. There were also idiots not using safety equipment and again riding on the roads on illegal bikes and a lot of noise about people getting injured on the site. If it was marshalled and controlled properly this would reduce a lot of problems.
Now they are moaning that it is shut, they are their own worst enemy.

I hope that the legal riders are not targeted constantly when using the legal routes, that said we are not likely to be ragging them around the neighbourhoods causing alarm to people. I have no problem with talking to the officers and having them check my details as I have nothing to hide.

Don’t tarnish us all with the brush, Many off road riders are legal and respectable but there are a few that will let us down.
very true im a member of GLASS keep green lanes open and and go to tong and cown quarry in the 4x4 yet to do it on the bike as am new to bikes its all the smaller places they are shutting down thats my argument

ps is tong good on a bike? been a few times in the landy thought be to muddy for a bike lol
[quote][p][bold]SLK9835[/bold] wrote: I think that the off road team is a great idea! I ride enduro bikes and my bike is 100% road legal however I often still use a trailer to transport it to venues that I know I can ride on, For example Tong off road centre just outside of Bradford or Cown Quarry in Rochdale. I am also a member of a national organisation that rides on legal green lanes using legal machines. I also used to ride an off road bike for Bradford council working alongside the police. The riders you see on the road pulling wheelies on illegal bikes are often on stolen bikes that they have taken from hard working people like myself. They unfortunately give the rest of us a bad name. Many of the riders from my club are hard working respectable people but the general perception is that we are all to$$ers on crossers. I live near to the flappit and I was gutted when it shut, the site could be a great place, I’m told that allot of people from Cullingworth complained about the noise but I cant see it being that bad, no worse than the general sound of traffic on the roads. There were also idiots not using safety equipment and again riding on the roads on illegal bikes and a lot of noise about people getting injured on the site. If it was marshalled and controlled properly this would reduce a lot of problems. Now they are moaning that it is shut, they are their own worst enemy. I hope that the legal riders are not targeted constantly when using the legal routes, that said we are not likely to be ragging them around the neighbourhoods causing alarm to people. I have no problem with talking to the officers and having them check my details as I have nothing to hide. Don’t tarnish us all with the brush, Many off road riders are legal and respectable but there are a few that will let us down.[/p][/quote]very true im a member of GLASS keep green lanes open and and go to tong and cown quarry in the 4x4 yet to do it on the bike as am new to bikes its all the smaller places they are shutting down thats my argument ps is tong good on a bike? been a few times in the landy thought be to muddy for a bike lol adi1980
  • Score: 2

9:19am Tue 15 Jul 14

AndyWineHands says...

Opening or reopening a place for off roading won't solve the problem around BD10. The main offenders only ride when the kids are walking home from school. They pull wheelies and speed past the young girls to show off (the riders could be young lads themselves but you can't see for their balaclavas).
Opening or reopening a place for off roading won't solve the problem around BD10. The main offenders only ride when the kids are walking home from school. They pull wheelies and speed past the young girls to show off (the riders could be young lads themselves but you can't see for their balaclavas). AndyWineHands
  • Score: 4

12:10pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Andy2010 says...

AndyWineHands wrote:
Opening or reopening a place for off roading won't solve the problem around BD10. The main offenders only ride when the kids are walking home from school. They pull wheelies and speed past the young girls to show off (the riders could be young lads themselves but you can't see for their balaclavas).
They are probably about 18 trying to show off to 14 year old lasses as in BD10 this would be seen as an age when the lass should be getting up the duff and putting in an application for a free house
[quote][p][bold]AndyWineHands[/bold] wrote: Opening or reopening a place for off roading won't solve the problem around BD10. The main offenders only ride when the kids are walking home from school. They pull wheelies and speed past the young girls to show off (the riders could be young lads themselves but you can't see for their balaclavas).[/p][/quote]They are probably about 18 trying to show off to 14 year old lasses as in BD10 this would be seen as an age when the lass should be getting up the duff and putting in an application for a free house Andy2010
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Out of site says...

mad matt wrote:
Every fine evening we get these idiots thundering round the streets of Manningham, not just quad bikes but off-road bikes as well. They have no regard for the rules of the road, going wrong side of the keep-left bollards on Whetley Hill and riding wrong way down Bavaria Place which has been a one-way street for years.
Sooner or later someone will get killed, lets hope it will just be one of the idiots!
Could be worse they could be on camels.
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Every fine evening we get these idiots thundering round the streets of Manningham, not just quad bikes but off-road bikes as well. They have no regard for the rules of the road, going wrong side of the keep-left bollards on Whetley Hill and riding wrong way down Bavaria Place which has been a one-way street for years. Sooner or later someone will get killed, lets hope it will just be one of the idiots![/p][/quote]Could be worse they could be on camels. Out of site
  • Score: -2

2:22pm Tue 15 Jul 14

citygent7 says...

son123 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Rambo wrote:
"In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence"

"Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences"

And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.
Exactly my thought

Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen

Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well.

Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police
Would this not lead them to then commit more crimes eg burglary or mugging to get by. Maybe seizing bike or quad and higher fines so they carnt afford one maybe better or like us car drivers higher tax and insurance on them. It wouldnt matter if the reopened designated areas for them. Theres still that group that doesnt think the law applys to them. Sheer disregard for others safety. Eg that 3 yr old girl as she was getting off bus with her mum and was left fighting for her life. Was those low lifes ever caught! X
Are they really going to pay tax and insurance this is bradford.
[quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: "In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence" "Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences" And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.[/p][/quote]Exactly my thought Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well. Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police[/p][/quote]Would this not lead them to then commit more crimes eg burglary or mugging to get by. Maybe seizing bike or quad and higher fines so they carnt afford one maybe better or like us car drivers higher tax and insurance on them. It wouldnt matter if the reopened designated areas for them. Theres still that group that doesnt think the law applys to them. Sheer disregard for others safety. Eg that 3 yr old girl as she was getting off bus with her mum and was left fighting for her life. Was those low lifes ever caught! X[/p][/quote]Are they really going to pay tax and insurance this is bradford. citygent7
  • Score: 4

10:49pm Tue 15 Jul 14

son123 says...

citygent7 wrote:
son123 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Rambo wrote:
"In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence"

"Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences"

And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.
Exactly my thought

Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen

Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well.

Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police
Would this not lead them to then commit more crimes eg burglary or mugging to get by. Maybe seizing bike or quad and higher fines so they carnt afford one maybe better or like us car drivers higher tax and insurance on them. It wouldnt matter if the reopened designated areas for them. Theres still that group that doesnt think the law applys to them. Sheer disregard for others safety. Eg that 3 yr old girl as she was getting off bus with her mum and was left fighting for her life. Was those low lifes ever caught! X
Are they really going to pay tax and insurance this is bradford.
No it pevs me im bd3 to know that 1 in 25 cars is insured on these rds. I make my kids aware of this factor eg hey kids count 25 cars and then you know mummys the only one legal with insurance, tax and a legal mot. Its discusting the figures x
[quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]son123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: "In a separate incident, last month Matthew McDonald, 21, of Thorpe Edge, was given a suspended prison sentence" "Repeat offenders will face further action, which *could* lead to anti-social behaviour orders or custodial sentences" And there you have it. Not even the proverbial slap on the wrist.[/p][/quote]Exactly my thought Whats the point of even bothering when the police and the offenders themselves know nothing will happen Might be wrong but all the idiots I see riding around like dullards I would hazard a guess are on some sort of benefits. As well as the criminal proceedings why not suspend everyone of their benefits including housing for a year as well. Hitting these idiots in the pocket will put more off than the threat of the police[/p][/quote]Would this not lead them to then commit more crimes eg burglary or mugging to get by. Maybe seizing bike or quad and higher fines so they carnt afford one maybe better or like us car drivers higher tax and insurance on them. It wouldnt matter if the reopened designated areas for them. Theres still that group that doesnt think the law applys to them. Sheer disregard for others safety. Eg that 3 yr old girl as she was getting off bus with her mum and was left fighting for her life. Was those low lifes ever caught! X[/p][/quote]Are they really going to pay tax and insurance this is bradford.[/p][/quote]No it pevs me im bd3 to know that 1 in 25 cars is insured on these rds. I make my kids aware of this factor eg hey kids count 25 cars and then you know mummys the only one legal with insurance, tax and a legal mot. Its discusting the figures x son123
  • Score: 0

9:44am Wed 16 Jul 14

Whittam69 says...

Lots of comments being put on here by people getting the wrong end of the stick so let's get a few facts on the table....
"Police 'quad squad' vows to rid Bradfords streets of bike menace" - does what it says on the tin really. The Police are going to deal with the idiots who use bikes illegally on the roads...no licences, insurance, safety equipment, unsafe vehicles or stolen ones. Anyone REALLY have a problem with that?
The Police will obviously come across bikers on or off the road who they want to have a word with and check out for some reason...if you're legal and responsible, do you REALLY a problem with that?
The Police are bound to deal with riders who are off road on occasions...ALL the above factors still apply.
So, if you ride a bike dangerously, without documents, anti-socially, up and down your neighbours roads, illegally, across your communities recreational areas, on tax payers privately owned land WITHOUT their permission (such as the Flappit site which is still off limits) then expect some Police attention and suffer the consequences.
If anyone is naive enough to believe these idiots will follow the rules if any land was made available to them - either privately or by the council - then wake up! These idiots do what they want, when they want, to whoever they want and don't contribute to society...they deserve any and all forms of action taking against them. As a community - if such a thing exists anymore - we should all be contacting the Police and the council reporting who these idiots are, where they live and where they keep their bikes. I know already the new team have recovered stolen bikes from these idiots...surely that deserves our involvement and help?
Lots of comments being put on here by people getting the wrong end of the stick so let's get a few facts on the table.... "Police 'quad squad' vows to rid Bradfords streets of bike menace" - does what it says on the tin really. The Police are going to deal with the idiots who use bikes illegally on the roads...no licences, insurance, safety equipment, unsafe vehicles or stolen ones. Anyone REALLY have a problem with that? The Police will obviously come across bikers on or off the road who they want to have a word with and check out for some reason...if you're legal and responsible, do you REALLY a problem with that? The Police are bound to deal with riders who are off road on occasions...ALL the above factors still apply. So, if you ride a bike dangerously, without documents, anti-socially, up and down your neighbours roads, illegally, across your communities recreational areas, on tax payers privately owned land WITHOUT their permission (such as the Flappit site which is still off limits) then expect some Police attention and suffer the consequences. If anyone is naive enough to believe these idiots will follow the rules if any land was made available to them - either privately or by the council - then wake up! These idiots do what they want, when they want, to whoever they want and don't contribute to society...they deserve any and all forms of action taking against them. As a community - if such a thing exists anymore - we should all be contacting the Police and the council reporting who these idiots are, where they live and where they keep their bikes. I know already the new team have recovered stolen bikes from these idiots...surely that deserves our involvement and help? Whittam69
  • Score: 5

4:41pm Wed 16 Jul 14

yezboss says...

Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means.
The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year.
He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced.
However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now.
Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.
Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means. The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year. He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced. However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now. Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies. yezboss
  • Score: 1

7:14pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

yezboss wrote:
Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means.
The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year.
He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced.
However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now.
Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.
Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha!
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means. The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year. He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced. However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now. Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.[/p][/quote]Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha! Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Wed 16 Jul 14

yezboss says...

Glad_I_got_out wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means.
The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year.
He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced.
However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now.
Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.
Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha!
Wrong, retired.
[quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means. The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year. He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced. However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now. Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.[/p][/quote]Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha![/p][/quote]Wrong, retired. yezboss
  • Score: -2

9:04pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

yezboss wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means.
The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year.
He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced.
However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now.
Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.
Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha!
Wrong, retired.
Yeah that's why your so upset about the changes which are taking place now.
So what if there's less traffic officers, less of you sat hiding on Wakefield Road waiting to catch the criminal motorists doing 5mph over the speed limit.
Can these 'highly skilled' officers skills not be transferred to community Policing? Or is that now beneath them...
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means. The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year. He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced. However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now. Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.[/p][/quote]Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha![/p][/quote]Wrong, retired.[/p][/quote]Yeah that's why your so upset about the changes which are taking place now. So what if there's less traffic officers, less of you sat hiding on Wakefield Road waiting to catch the criminal motorists doing 5mph over the speed limit. Can these 'highly skilled' officers skills not be transferred to community Policing? Or is that now beneath them... Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Thu 17 Jul 14

yezboss says...

Glad_I_got_out wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means.
The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year.
He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced.
However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now.
Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.
Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha!
Wrong, retired.
Yeah that's why your so upset about the changes which are taking place now.
So what if there's less traffic officers, less of you sat hiding on Wakefield Road waiting to catch the criminal motorists doing 5mph over the speed limit.
Can these 'highly skilled' officers skills not be transferred to community Policing? Or is that now beneath them...
I would guess you would be the first to shout for help if you need it, Roads Policing was just ONE of the skills. And you would get it, without 'fear or favour' was the oath.
[quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means. The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year. He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced. However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now. Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.[/p][/quote]Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha![/p][/quote]Wrong, retired.[/p][/quote]Yeah that's why your so upset about the changes which are taking place now. So what if there's less traffic officers, less of you sat hiding on Wakefield Road waiting to catch the criminal motorists doing 5mph over the speed limit. Can these 'highly skilled' officers skills not be transferred to community Policing? Or is that now beneath them...[/p][/quote]I would guess you would be the first to shout for help if you need it, Roads Policing was just ONE of the skills. And you would get it, without 'fear or favour' was the oath. yezboss
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Glad_I_got_out says...

yezboss wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Glad_I_got_out wrote:
yezboss wrote:
Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means.
The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year.
He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced.
However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now.
Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.
Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha!
Wrong, retired.
Yeah that's why your so upset about the changes which are taking place now.
So what if there's less traffic officers, less of you sat hiding on Wakefield Road waiting to catch the criminal motorists doing 5mph over the speed limit.
Can these 'highly skilled' officers skills not be transferred to community Policing? Or is that now beneath them...
I would guess you would be the first to shout for help if you need it, Roads Policing was just ONE of the skills. And you would get it, without 'fear or favour' was the oath.
Fair comment, most of it anyway. I don't have a problem with the Police in Bradford at all. I just don't like seeing traffic cars hidden with their speed traps.
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: Letter in tonights T&A from PCC Mark Burns Williamson. 'Road Safety Priority'. What??? He says it is a NEW priority. I am not sure what he means. The PCC states he has included this in his Police and Crime Plan for this year. He goes on to say there has been a increase in road fatalities from 49 in 2012 to 55 in 2013. I am not surprised at that, and this is despite a lot of publicity elsewhere saying they were down. Those figures however can wax and wane month in and month out. I know that I was a serving officer most of it spent in Road Traffic Policing. You NEVER rest on your laurels and take those figures for granted as some in Local Authority Speed Camera Parterships have done in the past. They can and will come back to bite you. But that's ignorance of the inexperienced. However what does astonish me is this Police Authority despite Marks comments in his letter has recently decimated, yes decimated, the Roads Policing Strengths. Some 30% of it's highly skilled officers have been removed from those duties and moved to other duties. I quote just one, a very experienced officer moved to Community Policing. That is a disgrace, What a complete waste of talent. Those strengths were not impressive initially when compared to the past anyway. Your comments and the actions of late are contradictory to say the least. And I do wonder if you are actually aware of what has occurred and what is happening now. Expect a further increase in those figures Mark!!! The persons(s) responsible for the savage reductions in Roads Policing staff are the persons you should look to for answers. If it's you look no further. I am APPALLED!!! AND I DO DESPAIR. This Force Command you preside over is a disgrace. And so are you! Shocking Shocking Shocking. Hang your heads in shame. I make no apologies.[/p][/quote]Should have been signed...a disgruntled traffic officer! haha![/p][/quote]Wrong, retired.[/p][/quote]Yeah that's why your so upset about the changes which are taking place now. So what if there's less traffic officers, less of you sat hiding on Wakefield Road waiting to catch the criminal motorists doing 5mph over the speed limit. Can these 'highly skilled' officers skills not be transferred to community Policing? Or is that now beneath them...[/p][/quote]I would guess you would be the first to shout for help if you need it, Roads Policing was just ONE of the skills. And you would get it, without 'fear or favour' was the oath.[/p][/quote]Fair comment, most of it anyway. I don't have a problem with the Police in Bradford at all. I just don't like seeing traffic cars hidden with their speed traps. Glad_I_got_out
  • Score: 0

8:27am Fri 18 Jul 14

SLK9835 says...

adi1980
Tong is brilliant on a bike, There is allot more of the site that you cant reach in a 4 x 4 including a jump section and rock sections. It can get muddy but the enduro days are very well planned and the tracks are great. They also hold days for trials riders etc. Really worth a look.
adi1980 Tong is brilliant on a bike, There is allot more of the site that you cant reach in a 4 x 4 including a jump section and rock sections. It can get muddy but the enduro days are very well planned and the tracks are great. They also hold days for trials riders etc. Really worth a look. SLK9835
  • Score: 2

8:10am Mon 21 Jul 14

MRH1234 says...

Glad_I_got_out wrote:
adi1980 wrote: Glad_I_got_out wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guysNo you wouldn't .... do you think these chav retards would pay to ride on private ground .. why can't people get it into their heads that it is not purely the riding of bikes, it is the proverbial 'middle finger' to authority from a severely ignorant, uneducated underbelly of society.

The only way of dealing with this is by enforcement and harsher penalties .. not the pussyfooting and mollycoddling we have seen so far. In this respect, well done to the police even if it is a few years too late.

Going back to pay and ride .. the ONLY people who would embrace this would be exactly the people who have no need to be targetted ie responsible bike owners !!
[quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adi1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glad_I_got_out[/bold] wrote: I get a bit sick of people saying things like 'why not reopen the flapits' or 'they need somewhere to go', utter rubbish. Do you really believe that these idiots are responsible riders who would go to any site that which was set up for off roading?? How would they get to the flapits? I'll tell you how...they'd ride up there, uninsured, no helmets on, riding where kids play etc,. Stop kidding yourselves, these are idiots that don't work and have nothing better to do. Good on the Police for doing something about them.[/p][/quote]it is harder to fine places to go as the council keep shutting PRIVATE land down! and as with on road bikes/cars there are idiots..there was 1 death in 50 years at the flappits {still 1 to many} but how many has there been on the road past the flappits...? alot more than 1 in 50 years i bet !! u say good on the police maybe if there was more pay/play places around and the council stoped closing them all the police could then go get "the real bad guysNo you wouldn't .... do you think these chav retards would pay to ride on private ground .. why can't people get it into their heads that it is not purely the riding of bikes, it is the proverbial 'middle finger' to authority from a severely ignorant, uneducated underbelly of society. The only way of dealing with this is by enforcement and harsher penalties .. not the pussyfooting and mollycoddling we have seen so far. In this respect, well done to the police even if it is a few years too late. Going back to pay and ride .. the ONLY people who would embrace this would be exactly the people who have no need to be targetted ie responsible bike owners !! MRH1234
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10:37am Mon 21 Jul 14

What?,when?,where? says...

On a few occasions whilst having a pint outside in baildon village i have heard then seen these halfwit morons, they are always speeding and when they see a few people they seem to think its a good idea to do wheelies,they must think they look impressive , when the opposite is true, absolute riffraff, the good news is i saw two quads being taken away by the police recently "from the shipley area".
On a few occasions whilst having a pint outside in baildon village i have heard then seen these halfwit morons, they are always speeding and when they see a few people they seem to think its a good idea to do wheelies,they must think they look impressive , when the opposite is true, absolute riffraff, the good news is i saw two quads being taken away by the police recently "from the shipley area". What?,when?,where?
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