Figures on Bradford children's rotten teeth prompt call for fluoride in tap water

Parkside Road Dental Care Unit dental nurse Emma Ryan with eight-year-old Abdullah Shahid and practice manager Deborah Cochran

Parkside Road Dental Care Unit dental nurse Emma Ryan with eight-year-old Abdullah Shahid and practice manager Deborah Cochran

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Three toddlers in Bradford have rotten teeth pulled out in hospital every week, shock figures reveal.

The youngsters undergo operations under general anaesthetic for “dental caries” – infections caused by eating sugary food and failing to brush their teeth properly.

Official statistics show 462 children in the city under the age of five were admitted to hospital over a three-year period, or just under three every week.

Almost all have the rotten teeth extracted – and the figures do not include children who have teeth pulled out in dentist chairs.

High numbers of under-fives were also admitted to hospital with dental caries between 2009 and 2012 in Kirklees (406), Calderdale (197) and Leeds (516).

Now Public Health England (PHE) has used the worrying statistics to make a fresh call for fluoride to be added to tap water, to dramatically cut decay.

The organisation says the main cause of rotten teeth in very young children is deprivation and the number of under-fives admitted to hospital is up to 45 per cent lower where water is fluoridated.

A PHE spokesman said: “Evidence suggests that fluoridating water is the single most effective step we can take to reduce tooth decay generally, both among children and adults, irrespective of personal behaviour.”

A decision to introduce fluoridation rests with local authorities after consulting local people.

A spokesman for Bradford Council said it had not taken a stance on fluoridation, but did encourage parents to use fluoride varnish on their children’s teeth and he argued that – while Bradford remained worse than the national average – levels of tooth decay had fallen since 2008.

Dr Shirley Brierley, the Council’s public health consultant, said: “Bradford Council has invested in a number of programmes under the banner of ‘Building Brighter Smiles’, aimed at under-fives, which have improved these figures.”

Deborah Cochran, practice manager at Parkside Road Dental Care Unit in West Bowling, said: “We’ve had people come in here who barely know what a toothbrush is, and have never been to a dentist before in their lives.

“When you’re faced with that, it is a very difficult problem to combat.

“Adding fluoride to the water would definitely make a difference, but education is the key.”

Health experts have dismissed claims that fluoridation causes hip fractures and tooth stains – but the policy remains controversial.

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9:37am Wed 21 May 14

spinnekop says...

"The youngsters undergo operations under general anaesthetic for “dental caries” – infections caused by eating sugary food and failing to brush their teeth properly."

And that, dear hearts, is the end of the conversation. No amount of anything can replace dental hygiene.

If it is still a controversial issue after all this time then it is pointless continuing with the program. Certain social groups are useless at looking after themselves and their offspring. THAT is a FACT. Broad spectrum poisoning of the masses is not acceptable.
"The youngsters undergo operations under general anaesthetic for “dental caries” – infections caused by eating sugary food and failing to brush their teeth properly." And that, dear hearts, is the end of the conversation. No amount of anything can replace dental hygiene. If it is still a controversial issue after all this time then it is pointless continuing with the program. Certain social groups are useless at looking after themselves and their offspring. THAT is a FACT. Broad spectrum poisoning of the masses is not acceptable. spinnekop
  • Score: 33

9:57am Wed 21 May 14

pcmanners says...

Fluoridation is another example of the Socialist nanny state. If people want to ruin their children's teeth then they should be free to do, but they should be made to pay for the operation to remove the teeth. After we Conservatives win the next election the NHS will be privatised and these kind of operations will have to be paid for anyway.
Fluoridation is another example of the Socialist nanny state. If people want to ruin their children's teeth then they should be free to do, but they should be made to pay for the operation to remove the teeth. After we Conservatives win the next election the NHS will be privatised and these kind of operations will have to be paid for anyway. pcmanners
  • Score: 24

10:11am Wed 21 May 14

flashdonut says...

spinnekop wrote:
"The youngsters undergo operations under general anaesthetic for “dental caries” – infections caused by eating sugary food and failing to brush their teeth properly."

And that, dear hearts, is the end of the conversation. No amount of anything can replace dental hygiene.

If it is still a controversial issue after all this time then it is pointless continuing with the program. Certain social groups are useless at looking after themselves and their offspring. THAT is a FACT. Broad spectrum poisoning of the masses is not acceptable.
Quotes do not get any more accurate than this. It is down to parents for failing their kids. Putting fluoride into tap water will not change these people.
[quote][p][bold]spinnekop[/bold] wrote: "The youngsters undergo operations under general anaesthetic for “dental caries” – infections caused by eating sugary food and failing to brush their teeth properly." And that, dear hearts, is the end of the conversation. No amount of anything can replace dental hygiene. If it is still a controversial issue after all this time then it is pointless continuing with the program. Certain social groups are useless at looking after themselves and their offspring. THAT is a FACT. Broad spectrum poisoning of the masses is not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Quotes do not get any more accurate than this. It is down to parents for failing their kids. Putting fluoride into tap water will not change these people. flashdonut
  • Score: 25

10:14am Wed 21 May 14

Not so simple says...

Fluoride should not be forced upon anyone as fluoride has many issues which cause other illnesses.

Check this out

http://fluoridealert
.org/issues/water/

Get your facts on fluoride and don't listen to groups saying his good it is for us. Fluoride is NOT good for us. Fluoride is linked to many illnesses.
Fluoride should not be forced upon anyone as fluoride has many issues which cause other illnesses. Check this out http://fluoridealert .org/issues/water/ Get your facts on fluoride and don't listen to groups saying his good it is for us. Fluoride is NOT good for us. Fluoride is linked to many illnesses. Not so simple
  • Score: 24

10:17am Wed 21 May 14

Not so simple says...

Ps I mentioned the above to a school nurse brushing kids teeth with some fluoride solution and guess what she did not know a negative thing about fluoride. I sat her down at her desk and google anti fluoride: I turned her smile upside down in two minutes as she was shocked to learn of the MEDICAL FACTS THAT FLURODIE HARMS PEOPLE TAKING IT AND THAT BIG INDUSTRY IS MISLEADING PEOPLE ABOUT THE ISSUE.

http://fluoridealert
.org/issues/water/
Ps I mentioned the above to a school nurse brushing kids teeth with some fluoride solution and guess what she did not know a negative thing about fluoride. I sat her down at her desk and google anti fluoride: I turned her smile upside down in two minutes as she was shocked to learn of the MEDICAL FACTS THAT FLURODIE HARMS PEOPLE TAKING IT AND THAT BIG INDUSTRY IS MISLEADING PEOPLE ABOUT THE ISSUE. http://fluoridealert .org/issues/water/ Not so simple
  • Score: 15

10:24am Wed 21 May 14

sorrow&anger says...

Another league table and Bradford is at the wrong end of it. When is City Hall going to do something to make our City a better place to live?

Perhaps if Cllr. Thornton took his public health portfolio seriously he would plough some of the money from his parking fine scams into public health education and then, maybe, kids inside the ring road would know what a toothbrush is for.
Another league table and Bradford is at the wrong end of it. When is City Hall going to do something to make our City a better place to live? Perhaps if Cllr. Thornton took his public health portfolio seriously he would plough some of the money from his parking fine scams into public health education and then, maybe, kids inside the ring road would know what a toothbrush is for. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 23

10:32am Wed 21 May 14

yorkielady1! says...

So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.
So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done. yorkielady1!
  • Score: 9

10:39am Wed 21 May 14

FinlandStation says...

Fluoride remains controversial for a reason. The benefits aren't without some serious downsides. The money would be better spent on community education. For the fluoride enthusiasts they can always buy the appropriate kind of toothpaste or mouthwash.

I don't see why we should all have to have fluoride imposed on us because parts of Bradford have a third world approach to dental hygiene. I find it incomprehensible that parents would let their children's teeth rot away. Don't these people love their children? Shouldn't the RSPCC be taking them to court?
Fluoride remains controversial for a reason. The benefits aren't without some serious downsides. The money would be better spent on community education. For the fluoride enthusiasts they can always buy the appropriate kind of toothpaste or mouthwash. I don't see why we should all have to have fluoride imposed on us because parts of Bradford have a third world approach to dental hygiene. I find it incomprehensible that parents would let their children's teeth rot away. Don't these people love their children? Shouldn't the RSPCC be taking them to court? FinlandStation
  • Score: 25

10:48am Wed 21 May 14

pcmanners says...

yorkielady1! wrote:
So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.
You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune.
[quote][p][bold]yorkielady1![/bold] wrote: So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.[/p][/quote]You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune. pcmanners
  • Score: 25

11:00am Wed 21 May 14

Julie D says...

*** ONLY BRUSH AND FLOSS THE TEETH YOU WANT TO KEEP !!! was what the dentist told me a long time ago. believe me It works
*** ONLY BRUSH AND FLOSS THE TEETH YOU WANT TO KEEP !!! was what the dentist told me a long time ago. believe me It works Julie D
  • Score: 8

12:18pm Wed 21 May 14

Andy2010 says...

pcmanners wrote:
yorkielady1! wrote:
So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.
You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune.
Agreed

You only have to watch Jeremy Kyle to see this in action. The teeth of some of the people on there are hideous. How they actually manage to get people to breed with them is beyond me
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkielady1![/bold] wrote: So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.[/p][/quote]You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune.[/p][/quote]Agreed You only have to watch Jeremy Kyle to see this in action. The teeth of some of the people on there are hideous. How they actually manage to get people to breed with them is beyond me Andy2010
  • Score: 16

12:30pm Wed 21 May 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
yorkielady1! wrote:
So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.
You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune.
Agreed

You only have to watch Jeremy Kyle to see this in action. The teeth of some of the people on there are hideous. How they actually manage to get people to breed with them is beyond me
3 litre of White Lightning cider! :)
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkielady1![/bold] wrote: So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.[/p][/quote]You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune.[/p][/quote]Agreed You only have to watch Jeremy Kyle to see this in action. The teeth of some of the people on there are hideous. How they actually manage to get people to breed with them is beyond me[/p][/quote]3 litre of White Lightning cider! :) Bone_idle18
  • Score: 9

12:51pm Wed 21 May 14

Grumpygirl says...

If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.
If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 17

1:45pm Wed 21 May 14

allinittogether says...

pcmanners wrote:
Fluoridation is another example of the Socialist nanny state. If people want to ruin their children's teeth then they should be free to do, but they should be made to pay for the operation to remove the teeth. After we Conservatives win the next election the NHS will be privatised and these kind of operations will have to be paid for anyway.
Cos privatisation worked so well with gas & electric didn't it?
Still if you can turn a profit on the misery of poor health alls good in the capitalist's world.
Perhaps if the dentistry arm of the NHS had been all but privatised years ago people's teeth would be better.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: Fluoridation is another example of the Socialist nanny state. If people want to ruin their children's teeth then they should be free to do, but they should be made to pay for the operation to remove the teeth. After we Conservatives win the next election the NHS will be privatised and these kind of operations will have to be paid for anyway.[/p][/quote]Cos privatisation worked so well with gas & electric didn't it? Still if you can turn a profit on the misery of poor health alls good in the capitalist's world. Perhaps if the dentistry arm of the NHS had been all but privatised years ago people's teeth would be better. allinittogether
  • Score: -5

2:33pm Wed 21 May 14

Minimadhippychick says...

"infections caused by eating sugary food and failing to brush their teeth properly"

Do not poison me because dental hygeine is lacking in some people.

Thanks
"infections caused by eating sugary food and failing to brush their teeth properly" Do not poison me because dental hygeine is lacking in some people. Thanks Minimadhippychick
  • Score: 15

2:45pm Wed 21 May 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.
You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.[/p][/quote]You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere. SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: -27

4:02pm Wed 21 May 14

sorrow&anger says...

SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.
You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere.
Sorry Joyce but I think we can judge. Bradford isn't quite a Muslim state, yet, so the Christian ideal of a healthy mind in a healthy body can still apply.

It's your kind of PC wishy-washy thinking that has encouraged Muslims to believe that they can turn Britain into a Sharia state, by violence if necessary. Soon there will be hundreds of fighters returning from Syria prepared to bomb this country into their way of thinking. After all, they have before them Northern Ireland, a shining example to terrorists everywhere that it is possible to slaughter your way into power if the Government of the day is weak enough.
[quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.[/p][/quote]You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere.[/p][/quote]Sorry Joyce but I think we can judge. Bradford isn't quite a Muslim state, yet, so the Christian ideal of a healthy mind in a healthy body can still apply. It's your kind of PC wishy-washy thinking that has encouraged Muslims to believe that they can turn Britain into a Sharia state, by violence if necessary. Soon there will be hundreds of fighters returning from Syria prepared to bomb this country into their way of thinking. After all, they have before them Northern Ireland, a shining example to terrorists everywhere that it is possible to slaughter your way into power if the Government of the day is weak enough. sorrow&anger
  • Score: -18

4:49pm Wed 21 May 14

allinittogether says...

SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.
You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere.
Eh? What makes you think it's Muslim children that have poor dental hygiene? It's a city wide problem.
[quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.[/p][/quote]You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere.[/p][/quote]Eh? What makes you think it's Muslim children that have poor dental hygiene? It's a city wide problem. allinittogether
  • Score: 24

5:20pm Wed 21 May 14

Andy2010 says...

wwwooo there.

20 thumbs up in 10 mins.

Someone is being a bit deceptive here
wwwooo there. 20 thumbs up in 10 mins. Someone is being a bit deceptive here Andy2010
  • Score: -5

5:36pm Wed 21 May 14

alive and awake says...

3rd generation idiots now reaching breeding age, (12) in some cases. They have had all the education in the world to no effect. Do not poison me and my family for the sake of these morons
3rd generation idiots now reaching breeding age, (12) in some cases. They have had all the education in the world to no effect. Do not poison me and my family for the sake of these morons alive and awake
  • Score: 7

6:56pm Wed 21 May 14

allinittogether says...

allinittogether wrote:
SurprisedByJoyce wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.
You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere.
Eh? What makes you think it's Muslim children that have poor dental hygiene? It's a city wide problem.
Not me, makes a change to be popular though :-)
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SurprisedByJoyce[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: If these children aren't being taught to brush their teeth what else is being neglected? This makes my blood boil. Every child should have a chance of living the best life possible. This is their birthright and it shouldn't be taken away by useless parenting.[/p][/quote]You can't judge. If the parents care more about the Koran than caries and ensure the child has proper religious instruction then, by their own lights and the community they live in, they are good parents. It is not for us to interfere.[/p][/quote]Eh? What makes you think it's Muslim children that have poor dental hygiene? It's a city wide problem.[/p][/quote]Not me, makes a change to be popular though :-) allinittogether
  • Score: 0

1:44am Thu 22 May 14

Croatia Carrie says...

Education NOT poison!!!
Education NOT poison!!! Croatia Carrie
  • Score: 6

12:22pm Thu 22 May 14

bald148 says...

I am not an uncaring parent. My daughter (now in her 30's) lost several teeth when she was quite young due to drinking juice out of a baby bottle. I used to tell her to brush her teeth, but at the time, no-one thought about the use of a baby drinking bottle to have "harmless" blackcurrant juice. This was literally coating her teeth with sugar. Education is the only answer, no matter what social group a person comes from, everyone needs to learn that sugar affects teeth. I do not feel that flouride in everyones water supply would stop dental caries in most of these children as they probably don't drink water anyway.
I am not an uncaring parent. My daughter (now in her 30's) lost several teeth when she was quite young due to drinking juice out of a baby bottle. I used to tell her to brush her teeth, but at the time, no-one thought about the use of a baby drinking bottle to have "harmless" blackcurrant juice. This was literally coating her teeth with sugar. Education is the only answer, no matter what social group a person comes from, everyone needs to learn that sugar affects teeth. I do not feel that flouride in everyones water supply would stop dental caries in most of these children as they probably don't drink water anyway. bald148
  • Score: 5

5:01pm Thu 22 May 14

Julie 65 says...

It's sad that in this day and age young children are having teeth pulled at such a young age. It really does boil down to bad parenting, children are only going to pick up what goes on in their homes. Unless there is some genuine reason for the child's teeth to need extreme medical attention such as an accident etc I think the parents should be done for neglect of the child and fined , who if not their parents should be fighting every step of the way for the best for their child/children.
It's sad that in this day and age young children are having teeth pulled at such a young age. It really does boil down to bad parenting, children are only going to pick up what goes on in their homes. Unless there is some genuine reason for the child's teeth to need extreme medical attention such as an accident etc I think the parents should be done for neglect of the child and fined , who if not their parents should be fighting every step of the way for the best for their child/children. Julie 65
  • Score: 5

8:14pm Thu 22 May 14

puddingandpi says...

Stop feeding your kids cr*p! Don't let them drink fizzy drinks. Make them brush their teeth. Works for me.
.
I saw this lass with her baby in it's pushchair & she was nattering away on her phone while posting chocolate buttons into it's mouth. It wasn't asking for them, she was just pushing them in like coins into a slot. It didn't have any teeth & I don't suppose it had them long when they did come through. Poor little bugger.
Stop feeding your kids cr*p! Don't let them drink fizzy drinks. Make them brush their teeth. Works for me. . I saw this lass with her baby in it's pushchair & she was nattering away on her phone while posting chocolate buttons into it's mouth. It wasn't asking for them, she was just pushing them in like coins into a slot. It didn't have any teeth & I don't suppose it had them long when they did come through. Poor little bugger. puddingandpi
  • Score: 2

10:41pm Thu 22 May 14

Peggy T says...

People don't think of it, but tooth decay is the most common disease. But fluoridation can reduce that decay by 20-40% over and above the best of other dental care. And it's cheap.

And it benefits everyone, even the elderly who have vulnerable exposed roots.

Five systematic reviews of fluoridation research have failed to find any medical problem resulting from fluoridation.

There's a lot a crap about fluoridation on the Internet. Don't let the crazies rob you and your community of this great public health benefit.

The scaremongering about fluoridation has been the subject of study:

“When public action undermines public health: a critical examination of antifluoridationist literature,” Jason M. Armfield, Australia and New Zealand Health Policy, 2007 Dec 9; 4:25.



http://www.anzhealth
policy.com/content/4
/1/25
People don't think of it, but tooth decay is the most common disease. But fluoridation can reduce that decay by 20-40% over and above the best of other dental care. And it's cheap. And it benefits everyone, even the elderly who have vulnerable exposed roots. Five systematic reviews of fluoridation research have failed to find any medical problem resulting from fluoridation. There's a lot a crap about fluoridation on the Internet. Don't let the crazies rob you and your community of this great public health benefit. The scaremongering about fluoridation has been the subject of study: “When public action undermines public health: a critical examination of antifluoridationist literature,” Jason M. Armfield, Australia and New Zealand Health Policy, 2007 Dec 9; 4:25.

 http://www.anzhealth policy.com/content/4 /1/25 Peggy T
  • Score: -2

12:28am Fri 23 May 14

Sslott says...

pcmanners wrote:
yorkielady1! wrote:
So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.
You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune.
There is so much drivel in these comments that it would be an exercise in futility to try to find an accurate statement in any of them.

1. There is no "controversy" with the public health initiative of water fluoridation. Antifluoridationists simply make unsubstantiated claims in regard to this initiative, then claim there to be a "controversy" based on these claims. The fact is that the overwhelming consensus of respected science and healthcare, worldwide, is fully supportive of fluoridation, while not one, single, respected organization opposes it...not one. The fact is that there are countless, peer-reviewed scientific studies which clearly demonstrate the effectiveness of fluoridation. And, the fact is that in the 69 year history of fluoridation there have been no proven adverse effects attributable to it.

2. Biased antifluoridationists websites, such as "fluoridealert", antifluoridationists blogs, non peer-reviewed books written by antifluoridationists
, and "YouTube" videos put out by antifluoridationists
...are proof of nothing other than the foolishness of those who attempt to cite them as "support" for their claims.

For intelligent people who truly seek accurate information on water fluoridation, the websites of the CDC, the EPA, the ADA, the National Sanitary Foundation and the World Health Organization, each has a wealth of accurate information on fluoridation readily available to anyone willing to exert the minimal effort it takes to access it.

3. There is an overwhelming problem with untreated dental decay in all areas of this country and most others. Simplistic "solutions" such as judgements about parenting, diets, "laziness" etc, provide nothing except demonstration of the ignorance of those who believe that the lifetime of extreme pain, debilitation, life-threatening infection, and even death resultant of untreated dental decay.....are simple problems with simple solutions.

4. Water fluoridation has never been put forth as a "cure-all" for dental disease, nor as a replacement for proper oral hygiene, proper diets, proper education, or any other preventive measures. It is simply one very valuable tool which has been clearly demonstrated to prevent a significant amount of dental decay, while causing no adverse effects. It has always been meant to work in conjunction with all other preventive measures, not in place of them.

5. It is unconscionable to deprive an entire population the lifetime benefits of water fluoridation based on nothing more than unsubstantiated claims, fear-mongering, and outright misinformation.

Steven D. Slott, DDS

StevennD. Slott,,DDS
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkielady1![/bold] wrote: So they want to put fluoride in the water, despite admitting that this problem is caused by bad parenting? Fluoride in the water may stop some of the rot in these children's teeth, but they will still have terrible parents and still more than likely grow up to be terrible parents themselves. Education is the only way to stop this cycle. I'll be honest, I'd rather these idiots weren't allowed to breed in the first place, but if some of my tax money has to be spent helping their children to become decent members of society, then it has to be done.[/p][/quote]You are talking sense. The lazy, useless, poor should be sterilised to stop them breeding. It's all down to genetics. Bad parents make bad brats. The circle has to be broken. These people cost the taxpayer a fortune.[/p][/quote]There is so much drivel in these comments that it would be an exercise in futility to try to find an accurate statement in any of them. 1. There is no "controversy" with the public health initiative of water fluoridation. Antifluoridationists simply make unsubstantiated claims in regard to this initiative, then claim there to be a "controversy" based on these claims. The fact is that the overwhelming consensus of respected science and healthcare, worldwide, is fully supportive of fluoridation, while not one, single, respected organization opposes it...not one. The fact is that there are countless, peer-reviewed scientific studies which clearly demonstrate the effectiveness of fluoridation. And, the fact is that in the 69 year history of fluoridation there have been no proven adverse effects attributable to it. 2. Biased antifluoridationists websites, such as "fluoridealert", antifluoridationists blogs, non peer-reviewed books written by antifluoridationists , and "YouTube" videos put out by antifluoridationists ...are proof of nothing other than the foolishness of those who attempt to cite them as "support" for their claims. For intelligent people who truly seek accurate information on water fluoridation, the websites of the CDC, the EPA, the ADA, the National Sanitary Foundation and the World Health Organization, each has a wealth of accurate information on fluoridation readily available to anyone willing to exert the minimal effort it takes to access it. 3. There is an overwhelming problem with untreated dental decay in all areas of this country and most others. Simplistic "solutions" such as judgements about parenting, diets, "laziness" etc, provide nothing except demonstration of the ignorance of those who believe that the lifetime of extreme pain, debilitation, life-threatening infection, and even death resultant of untreated dental decay.....are simple problems with simple solutions. 4. Water fluoridation has never been put forth as a "cure-all" for dental disease, nor as a replacement for proper oral hygiene, proper diets, proper education, or any other preventive measures. It is simply one very valuable tool which has been clearly demonstrated to prevent a significant amount of dental decay, while causing no adverse effects. It has always been meant to work in conjunction with all other preventive measures, not in place of them. 5. It is unconscionable to deprive an entire population the lifetime benefits of water fluoridation based on nothing more than unsubstantiated claims, fear-mongering, and outright misinformation. Steven D. Slott, DDS StevennD. Slott,,DDS Sslott
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1:28am Fri 23 May 14

chrisnz says...

Not so simple wrote:
Fluoride should not be forced upon anyone as fluoride has many issues which cause other illnesses.

Check this out

http://fluoridealert

.org/issues/water/

Get your facts on fluoride and don't listen to groups saying his good it is for us. Fluoride is NOT good for us. Fluoride is linked to many illnesses.
Why would anyone want to go to an activist site for information notice there is no illness listed just more scaremongering from an activist
British Government Report (2014) – This report by Public Health England reviewed research on the effectiveness and safety of fluoride/fluoridatio
n. Its conclusion: “The report provides further reassurance that water fluoridation is a safe and effective public health measure.” The report found no link between fluoride and various health concerns, including hip fractures, Down’s syndrome and multiple forms of cancer. (posted or updated in March 2014)
https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/296329
/Water_fluoridation_
health_monitoring_fo
r_England.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Fluoride should not be forced upon anyone as fluoride has many issues which cause other illnesses. Check this out http://fluoridealert .org/issues/water/ Get your facts on fluoride and don't listen to groups saying his good it is for us. Fluoride is NOT good for us. Fluoride is linked to many illnesses.[/p][/quote]Why would anyone want to go to an activist site for information notice there is no illness listed just more scaremongering from an activist British Government Report (2014) – This report by Public Health England reviewed research on the effectiveness and safety of fluoride/fluoridatio n. Its conclusion: “The report provides further reassurance that water fluoridation is a safe and effective public health measure.” The report found no link between fluoride and various health concerns, including hip fractures, Down’s syndrome and multiple forms of cancer. (posted or updated in March 2014) https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/296329 /Water_fluoridation_ health_monitoring_fo r_England.pdf chrisnz
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1:29am Fri 23 May 14

chrisnz says...

Not so simple wrote:
Ps I mentioned the above to a school nurse brushing kids teeth with some fluoride solution and guess what she did not know a negative thing about fluoride. I sat her down at her desk and google anti fluoride: I turned her smile upside down in two minutes as she was shocked to learn of the MEDICAL FACTS THAT FLURODIE HARMS PEOPLE TAKING IT AND THAT BIG INDUSTRY IS MISLEADING PEOPLE ABOUT THE ISSUE.

http://fluoridealert

.org/issues/water/
Three Harvard Deans Endorse Fluoridation (2013) – The deans (3) of the Harvard medical school, dental school and School of Public Health co-wrote this letter expressing their strong support for community water fluoridation. The deans wrote that fluoridation is “a safe and effective public health measure,” and they add: “Fluoridation has made an enormous impact on improving the oral health of the American people.” (posted or updated in March 2013)
http://www.ilikemyte
eth.org/wp-content/u
ploads/2013/05/Harva
rd-Letter-3-Deans-Ma
rch-2013
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Ps I mentioned the above to a school nurse brushing kids teeth with some fluoride solution and guess what she did not know a negative thing about fluoride. I sat her down at her desk and google anti fluoride: I turned her smile upside down in two minutes as she was shocked to learn of the MEDICAL FACTS THAT FLURODIE HARMS PEOPLE TAKING IT AND THAT BIG INDUSTRY IS MISLEADING PEOPLE ABOUT THE ISSUE. http://fluoridealert .org/issues/water/[/p][/quote]Three Harvard Deans Endorse Fluoridation (2013) – The deans (3) of the Harvard medical school, dental school and School of Public Health co-wrote this letter expressing their strong support for community water fluoridation. The deans wrote that fluoridation is “a safe and effective public health measure,” and they add: “Fluoridation has made an enormous impact on improving the oral health of the American people.” (posted or updated in March 2013) http://www.ilikemyte eth.org/wp-content/u ploads/2013/05/Harva rd-Letter-3-Deans-Ma rch-2013 chrisnz
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