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Contract crisis at Eccleshill Treatment Centre

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Staff at Eccleshill Treatment Centre face losing their jobs when Care UK’s contract runs out in 12 weeks’ time Buy this photo Staff at Eccleshill Treatment Centre face losing their jobs when Care UK’s contract runs out in 12 weeks’ time

A Bradford medical centre faces an uncertain future, with no contractor in place to run it after July.

Staff at Eccleshill Treatment Centre in Harrogate Road say they have been told they might not have a job in 12 weeks when operator Care UK’s contract expires.

NHS Bradford District Clinical Comissioning Group, which funds the centre, has admitted there is no one in place to run services there after that date but it is working hard to make sure they are not lost.

The centre offers different medical services, including orthopaedics, minor plastic surgery, MRI and CT scanning and X-rays.

But there is also no guarantee that the successful contractor will use the Eccleshill premises.

All 80-plus staff have been told they face losing their jobs or being relocated within the company, which could mean moving to different cities.

Care UK’s contract runs until July 7. As part of the tender process it had to submit a new bid to continue running the centre but the CCG has said its bid, along with two others from un-named companies, was “not acceptable”.

Other facilities on the site – Eccleshill Community Hospital and independent GPs practices – are not affected.

A spokesman for NHS Bradford Districts CCG said: “We have carried out a formal tendering process. Unfortunately we have not received any acceptable bids so we have reluctantly had to end the procurement process without awarding a new contract.

“NHS Bradford Districts and NHS Bradford City CCGs are exploring various options to ensure continuity of services, which include advertising for qualified providers of diagnostic services. Potential providers will be offered the option of using Eccleshill Treatment Centre to deliver their services.” The spokesman said patients with appointments before July should not be affected.

A member of staff at the centre, who did not want to be named, said: “A lot of us have been here for eight or nine years. It is not just about us – what is going to happen to the patients? Everyone has been coming into work crying.”

Care UK said: “Eccleshill NHS Treatment Centre is a high-performing service which has, for many years, delivered excellent, innovative care and been highly praised by patients. It is disappointing that commissioning decisions mean there is not a future for the service.

“We will be working closely with commissioners and other parts of the health economy to ensure transitional arrangements are put in place and we will be consulting affected colleagues regarding the implications of the position.”

Bradford East MP David Ward said he hoped to meet the CCG and Care UK in the coming days.

Eccleshill Treatment Centre opened in July 2005 at a cost of £6 million and was part of a push to give patients faster access to health care.

Patients are referred by GPs and it offers many services available at hospitals but with a much shorter waiting time.

The centre was built on the site of the former Eccleshill Upper School, next to the community hospital.

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6:34pm Wed 9 Apr 14

lanzaman says...

Ask Maria miller for some of her spare cash!
Ask Maria miller for some of her spare cash! lanzaman
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7:33pm Wed 9 Apr 14

oddshapedballs says...

lanzaman wrote:
Ask Maria miller for some of her spare cash!
God thats a side splitter.
More like ask all the imports that are draining the countries resources to fund their own healthcare
[quote][p][bold]lanzaman[/bold] wrote: Ask Maria miller for some of her spare cash![/p][/quote]God thats a side splitter. More like ask all the imports that are draining the countries resources to fund their own healthcare oddshapedballs
  • Score: 11

7:46pm Wed 9 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

total miss management
total miss management alive and awake
  • Score: -4

7:59pm Wed 9 Apr 14

carolyne74 says...

No "could" about it. We've had official notification today that the Centre closes on 7 July and we have no jobs. No mismanagement involved, 'alive and awake' - Care UK made a profit at the Centre for the last three years.
No "could" about it. We've had official notification today that the Centre closes on 7 July and we have no jobs. No mismanagement involved, 'alive and awake' - Care UK made a profit at the Centre for the last three years. carolyne74
  • Score: 10

8:26pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Wroseman says...

Cannot believe or even begin to understand why such an active and useful addition to the services patient's can receive should cease to exist. The facilities are first class, accessibility is fantastic, staff are terrific and a credit to the Health Industry. All I can immediately envisage is waiting times will increase dramatically for those procedures this unit offers to the NHS, which cannot cope as it is, so what will it be like after July assuming Doctors don't stop referring patients here in the meantime. What will the CCG's do about replacing these services? Feel gutted for the staff.
Cannot believe or even begin to understand why such an active and useful addition to the services patient's can receive should cease to exist. The facilities are first class, accessibility is fantastic, staff are terrific and a credit to the Health Industry. All I can immediately envisage is waiting times will increase dramatically for those procedures this unit offers to the NHS, which cannot cope as it is, so what will it be like after July assuming Doctors don't stop referring patients here in the meantime. What will the CCG's do about replacing these services? Feel gutted for the staff. Wroseman
  • Score: 21

8:49pm Wed 9 Apr 14

eccleshill999 says...

Dear NHS Bradford Districts Clinical Commissioning Group,

Regarding the eccleshill treatment centre,

When was the decision made to reject the submitted tenders?

Which managers and clinicians were on the deciding panel?

What conflicts of interest have been declared by the panel members?

WILL ANY OF THE PANEL MEMBERS WHO REJECTED THE BID FOR THE
TREATMENT CENTRE HAVE INVOLVEMENT either individually or through
their own medical practices IN SUBMITTING BIDS FOR THE SEPARATE
SERVICES?

Can you make the rejected bids available for public inspection ?

On what criteria are each of the bids rejected ?

Will you be organising a further tender for the services?

What is the financial value of the contract?

What is preventing the CCG from extending the contract for a
further twelve months to allow for a new tender process?

What is preventing the CCG from ensuring that the employment of
staff who work there is protected by requiring any new provider to
maintain services from this site?

How can the public be assured that this decision to not award the
contract is not motivated by the desire of CCG members to provide
these services from their own practice premises for their own
profit?

Yours faithfully,

bradford eccleshill
Dear NHS Bradford Districts Clinical Commissioning Group, Regarding the eccleshill treatment centre, When was the decision made to reject the submitted tenders? Which managers and clinicians were on the deciding panel? What conflicts of interest have been declared by the panel members? WILL ANY OF THE PANEL MEMBERS WHO REJECTED THE BID FOR THE TREATMENT CENTRE HAVE INVOLVEMENT either individually or through their own medical practices IN SUBMITTING BIDS FOR THE SEPARATE SERVICES? Can you make the rejected bids available for public inspection ? On what criteria are each of the bids rejected ? Will you be organising a further tender for the services? What is the financial value of the contract? What is preventing the CCG from extending the contract for a further twelve months to allow for a new tender process? What is preventing the CCG from ensuring that the employment of staff who work there is protected by requiring any new provider to maintain services from this site? How can the public be assured that this decision to not award the contract is not motivated by the desire of CCG members to provide these services from their own practice premises for their own profit? Yours faithfully, bradford eccleshill eccleshill999
  • Score: 22

9:08pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.
Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money. Ratters Rat
  • Score: -25

9:31pm Wed 9 Apr 14

happygirl87 says...

So shocked to hear its closure, this place is the heart of the community serving such a large area, cutting patients waiting times down drastically and offering clean up to date services. So much easier to get to than other NHS establishments, parking is free, has useful bus service links and staff are all helpful and smiley in there work they can't do enough for you. I feel so sorry for the staff at loosing there jobs in this economic climate. What will happen to the patients?? And staff?? I can't begin to imagine what the CCGs idea behind this was. So are they going to let a new modern building go to ruins and most of all let the waiting times of patient services increase. A step backwards in my mind
So shocked to hear its closure, this place is the heart of the community serving such a large area, cutting patients waiting times down drastically and offering clean up to date services. So much easier to get to than other NHS establishments, parking is free, has useful bus service links and staff are all helpful and smiley in there work they can't do enough for you. I feel so sorry for the staff at loosing there jobs in this economic climate. What will happen to the patients?? And staff?? I can't begin to imagine what the CCGs idea behind this was. So are they going to let a new modern building go to ruins and most of all let the waiting times of patient services increase. A step backwards in my mind happygirl87
  • Score: 13

10:05pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Joedavid says...

Terrible news, we use this place and its services, far better run than the BRI and St. Lukes.
Better in every respect you are seen at the appointment time you are given and premises and staff are very good.
Terrible news, we use this place and its services, far better run than the BRI and St. Lukes. Better in every respect you are seen at the appointment time you are given and premises and staff are very good. Joedavid
  • Score: 12

10:13pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

happygirl87 wrote:
So shocked to hear its closure, this place is the heart of the community serving such a large area, cutting patients waiting times down drastically and offering clean up to date services. So much easier to get to than other NHS establishments, parking is free, has useful bus service links and staff are all helpful and smiley in there work they can't do enough for you. I feel so sorry for the staff at loosing there jobs in this economic climate. What will happen to the patients?? And staff?? I can't begin to imagine what the CCGs idea behind this was. So are they going to let a new modern building go to ruins and most of all let the waiting times of patient services increase. A step backwards in my mind
In the heart of the community hardly near any houses. Bus service when I visited you had to walk down a long drive hardly useful if you have difficulty walking . Friend of mine had a minor operation was told not put weight on there leg crutches were not provided they had to hobble to a taxi no help from staff. The places was almost deserted hardly any people around. Sorry hardly a place full of activity. As they say use it or lose it. Sorry for the staff .
[quote][p][bold]happygirl87[/bold] wrote: So shocked to hear its closure, this place is the heart of the community serving such a large area, cutting patients waiting times down drastically and offering clean up to date services. So much easier to get to than other NHS establishments, parking is free, has useful bus service links and staff are all helpful and smiley in there work they can't do enough for you. I feel so sorry for the staff at loosing there jobs in this economic climate. What will happen to the patients?? And staff?? I can't begin to imagine what the CCGs idea behind this was. So are they going to let a new modern building go to ruins and most of all let the waiting times of patient services increase. A step backwards in my mind[/p][/quote]In the heart of the community hardly near any houses. Bus service when I visited you had to walk down a long drive hardly useful if you have difficulty walking . Friend of mine had a minor operation was told not put weight on there leg crutches were not provided they had to hobble to a taxi no help from staff. The places was almost deserted hardly any people around. Sorry hardly a place full of activity. As they say use it or lose it. Sorry for the staff . Ratters Rat
  • Score: -15

10:15pm Wed 9 Apr 14

linebacker2 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.
Claptrap.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.[/p][/quote]Claptrap. linebacker2
  • Score: 11

10:24pm Wed 9 Apr 14

happygirl87 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.
You obviously went on a quiet day I have many friends who have been patients of the treatment centre for years and every one of them is dumbfounded by the news. Many of them have been treated there on numerous occasions for different problems. All these people would rather go to eccleshill than any other surrounding establishment.This service is vital to thousands of people in the community and surrounding areas all of who will be sad to see the place close.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.[/p][/quote]You obviously went on a quiet day I have many friends who have been patients of the treatment centre for years and every one of them is dumbfounded by the news. Many of them have been treated there on numerous occasions for different problems. All these people would rather go to eccleshill than any other surrounding establishment.This service is vital to thousands of people in the community and surrounding areas all of who will be sad to see the place close. happygirl87
  • Score: 16

10:26pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

linebacker2 wrote:
Ratters Rat wrote:
Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.
Claptrap.
Well depends in which part of the city you live.It needs to serve the wider community . It down to the GPS in the city if they want to pay the prices or look else where. Clearly they hold the purse strings to this been kept open or closed.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.[/p][/quote]Claptrap.[/p][/quote]Well depends in which part of the city you live.It needs to serve the wider community . It down to the GPS in the city if they want to pay the prices or look else where. Clearly they hold the purse strings to this been kept open or closed. Ratters Rat
  • Score: -9

11:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Storck says...

carolyne74 wrote:
No "could" about it. We've had official notification today that the Centre closes on 7 July and we have no jobs. No mismanagement involved, 'alive and awake' - Care UK made a profit at the Centre for the last three years.
Make that is the issue. Surely the NHS shouldn't be about making a profit. If they have made a profit then they are either over charging or under providing.
Maybe it is time for a change and bring in a not for profit group
[quote][p][bold]carolyne74[/bold] wrote: No "could" about it. We've had official notification today that the Centre closes on 7 July and we have no jobs. No mismanagement involved, 'alive and awake' - Care UK made a profit at the Centre for the last three years.[/p][/quote]Make that is the issue. Surely the NHS shouldn't be about making a profit. If they have made a profit then they are either over charging or under providing. Maybe it is time for a change and bring in a not for profit group Storck
  • Score: 1

12:24am Thu 10 Apr 14

MrQuinque says...

I'm a little surprised at this, the Panorama expose 5 years ago was before Care UK took over and since then it seems to have been given a clean bill of health by the CQC. My guess is the bidders were just asking for too much money and BD CCG decided that NHS staff would provide better value for money.
I'm a little surprised at this, the Panorama expose 5 years ago was before Care UK took over and since then it seems to have been given a clean bill of health by the CQC. My guess is the bidders were just asking for too much money and BD CCG decided that NHS staff would provide better value for money. MrQuinque
  • Score: 2

12:43am Thu 10 Apr 14

Not so simple says...

Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far.

Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.
Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far. Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back. Not so simple
  • Score: -5

7:54am Thu 10 Apr 14

Ellandback says...

It must be emphasised that this decision to close the Eccleshill Treatment Centre is purely down to The Clinical Comisioning Group. They have put no alternatives in place for patient care and local GP's are not happy about this decision. It is not possible to run these services piecemeal and must be run by a centralised company like Care UK. Thid decision is for purely commercial reasons as the CCG do not believe the bidding companies have come up with enough money for the CCG to make a profit, particularly as they don't own the building and so do not receive rent from it. There is no thought for the welfare of the patients who will now have much longer waiting times and no thought for the employees of Care UK who will be out of work by July. This decision must be reversed.
It must be emphasised that this decision to close the Eccleshill Treatment Centre is purely down to The Clinical Comisioning Group. They have put no alternatives in place for patient care and local GP's are not happy about this decision. It is not possible to run these services piecemeal and must be run by a centralised company like Care UK. Thid decision is for purely commercial reasons as the CCG do not believe the bidding companies have come up with enough money for the CCG to make a profit, particularly as they don't own the building and so do not receive rent from it. There is no thought for the welfare of the patients who will now have much longer waiting times and no thought for the employees of Care UK who will be out of work by July. This decision must be reversed. Ellandback
  • Score: 12

8:29am Thu 10 Apr 14

Joedavid says...

Ellandback wrote:
It must be emphasised that this decision to close the Eccleshill Treatment Centre is purely down to The Clinical Comisioning Group. They have put no alternatives in place for patient care and local GP's are not happy about this decision. It is not possible to run these services piecemeal and must be run by a centralised company like Care UK. Thid decision is for purely commercial reasons as the CCG do not believe the bidding companies have come up with enough money for the CCG to make a profit, particularly as they don't own the building and so do not receive rent from it. There is no thought for the welfare of the patients who will now have much longer waiting times and no thought for the employees of Care UK who will be out of work by July. This decision must be reversed.
So you mean we will be forced to go to the BRI/St.Lukes?
Weare going to have longer
[quote][p][bold]Ellandback[/bold] wrote: It must be emphasised that this decision to close the Eccleshill Treatment Centre is purely down to The Clinical Comisioning Group. They have put no alternatives in place for patient care and local GP's are not happy about this decision. It is not possible to run these services piecemeal and must be run by a centralised company like Care UK. Thid decision is for purely commercial reasons as the CCG do not believe the bidding companies have come up with enough money for the CCG to make a profit, particularly as they don't own the building and so do not receive rent from it. There is no thought for the welfare of the patients who will now have much longer waiting times and no thought for the employees of Care UK who will be out of work by July. This decision must be reversed.[/p][/quote]So you mean we will be forced to go to the BRI/St.Lukes? Weare going to have longer Joedavid
  • Score: 3

9:55am Thu 10 Apr 14

MrQuinque says...

Not so simple wrote:
Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far.

Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.
Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? This is a privately run treatment clinic which is not having its contract renewed by the NHS Care Commisioning Group, not an NHS staffed clinic being closed to outsource jobs to the private sector. It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation.

And if you don't like Royal Mail's prices, use somebody else, there are plenty of alternatives.
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far. Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.[/p][/quote]Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? This is a privately run treatment clinic which is not having its contract renewed by the NHS Care Commisioning Group, not an NHS staffed clinic being closed to outsource jobs to the private sector. It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation. And if you don't like Royal Mail's prices, use somebody else, there are plenty of alternatives. MrQuinque
  • Score: 6

10:20am Thu 10 Apr 14

Joedavid says...

MrQuinque wrote:
Not so simple wrote:
Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far.

Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.
Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? This is a privately run treatment clinic which is not having its contract renewed by the NHS Care Commisioning Group, not an NHS staffed clinic being closed to outsource jobs to the private sector. It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation.

And if you don't like Royal Mail's prices, use somebody else, there are plenty of alternatives.
Yes alternatives for Royal Mail but what alternatives do we locals have on the subject of this Eccleshill Treatment centre?
It as been very good for my family.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far. Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.[/p][/quote]Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? This is a privately run treatment clinic which is not having its contract renewed by the NHS Care Commisioning Group, not an NHS staffed clinic being closed to outsource jobs to the private sector. It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation. And if you don't like Royal Mail's prices, use somebody else, there are plenty of alternatives.[/p][/quote]Yes alternatives for Royal Mail but what alternatives do we locals have on the subject of this Eccleshill Treatment centre? It as been very good for my family. Joedavid
  • Score: 2

11:46am Thu 10 Apr 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

MrQuinque wrote:
Not so simple wrote:
Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far.

Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.
Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? This is a privately run treatment clinic which is not having its contract renewed by the NHS Care Commisioning Group, not an NHS staffed clinic being closed to outsource jobs to the private sector. It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation.

And if you don't like Royal Mail's prices, use somebody else, there are plenty of alternatives.
" It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation."

That is because it already is a private business, providing treatment paid for by the NHS, so your argument is flawed.

It is part and parcel of the 'spectre' you describe and only the beginning.

As a lucky employee with a decent wage and BUPA as a benefit I will be less affected than most by the continued dismantling of the NHS but it doesn't mean I agree with it. The real problem with the NHS is as always in monolithic outfits, too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far. Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.[/p][/quote]Reading comprehension isn't your thing is it? This is a privately run treatment clinic which is not having its contract renewed by the NHS Care Commisioning Group, not an NHS staffed clinic being closed to outsource jobs to the private sector. It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation. And if you don't like Royal Mail's prices, use somebody else, there are plenty of alternatives.[/p][/quote]" It has nothing to do with any imagined spectre privatisation." That is because it already is a private business, providing treatment paid for by the NHS, so your argument is flawed. It is part and parcel of the 'spectre' you describe and only the beginning. As a lucky employee with a decent wage and BUPA as a benefit I will be less affected than most by the continued dismantling of the NHS but it doesn't mean I agree with it. The real problem with the NHS is as always in monolithic outfits, too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Thu 10 Apr 14

carolyne74 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.
Considering how busy the Centre is, I think you're in a minority with your views. People use the Centre from as far away as Lincolnshire. Presumably when you have to wait six months for a scan at BRI rather than six weeks at Eccleshill, you won't think the walk down the drive (less than 1/4 mile from the road!) was such a bind! Besides, for anyone with a genuine access problems, a taxi would be provided.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.[/p][/quote]Considering how busy the Centre is, I think you're in a minority with your views. People use the Centre from as far away as Lincolnshire. Presumably when you have to wait six months for a scan at BRI rather than six weeks at Eccleshill, you won't think the walk down the drive (less than 1/4 mile from the road!) was such a bind! Besides, for anyone with a genuine access problems, a taxi would be provided. carolyne74
  • Score: 1

3:25pm Thu 10 Apr 14

carolyne74 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
happygirl87 wrote:
So shocked to hear its closure, this place is the heart of the community serving such a large area, cutting patients waiting times down drastically and offering clean up to date services. So much easier to get to than other NHS establishments, parking is free, has useful bus service links and staff are all helpful and smiley in there work they can't do enough for you. I feel so sorry for the staff at loosing there jobs in this economic climate. What will happen to the patients?? And staff?? I can't begin to imagine what the CCGs idea behind this was. So are they going to let a new modern building go to ruins and most of all let the waiting times of patient services increase. A step backwards in my mind
In the heart of the community hardly near any houses. Bus service when I visited you had to walk down a long drive hardly useful if you have difficulty walking . Friend of mine had a minor operation was told not put weight on there leg crutches were not provided they had to hobble to a taxi no help from staff. The places was almost deserted hardly any people around. Sorry hardly a place full of activity. As they say use it or lose it. Sorry for the staff .
Procedures are not carried out in the waiting room. All rooms could be full of patients, but the waiting room empty. Your friend may have visited on a day when the Radiology Department was having a machine service, because there is hardly a day goes by when the service is not used. This is definitely not a case of "use it or lose it" - the Centre was genuinely being used. The Radiology Department alone does an average of around 600 scans per week. Adding 300 scans per week back to Leeds and Bradford hospitals will soon boost their waiting lists! Considering the Centre was used to reduce hospital waiting lists, it is definitely a backwards move. And did you actually see the area it's in - it certainly isn't "hardly near any houses"!! It's closer to houses than BRI and St Luke's.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happygirl87[/bold] wrote: So shocked to hear its closure, this place is the heart of the community serving such a large area, cutting patients waiting times down drastically and offering clean up to date services. So much easier to get to than other NHS establishments, parking is free, has useful bus service links and staff are all helpful and smiley in there work they can't do enough for you. I feel so sorry for the staff at loosing there jobs in this economic climate. What will happen to the patients?? And staff?? I can't begin to imagine what the CCGs idea behind this was. So are they going to let a new modern building go to ruins and most of all let the waiting times of patient services increase. A step backwards in my mind[/p][/quote]In the heart of the community hardly near any houses. Bus service when I visited you had to walk down a long drive hardly useful if you have difficulty walking . Friend of mine had a minor operation was told not put weight on there leg crutches were not provided they had to hobble to a taxi no help from staff. The places was almost deserted hardly any people around. Sorry hardly a place full of activity. As they say use it or lose it. Sorry for the staff .[/p][/quote]Procedures are not carried out in the waiting room. All rooms could be full of patients, but the waiting room empty. Your friend may have visited on a day when the Radiology Department was having a machine service, because there is hardly a day goes by when the service is not used. This is definitely not a case of "use it or lose it" - the Centre was genuinely being used. The Radiology Department alone does an average of around 600 scans per week. Adding 300 scans per week back to Leeds and Bradford hospitals will soon boost their waiting lists! Considering the Centre was used to reduce hospital waiting lists, it is definitely a backwards move. And did you actually see the area it's in - it certainly isn't "hardly near any houses"!! It's closer to houses than BRI and St Luke's. carolyne74
  • Score: 4

3:31pm Thu 10 Apr 14

carolyne74 says...

Storck wrote:
carolyne74 wrote:
No "could" about it. We've had official notification today that the Centre closes on 7 July and we have no jobs. No mismanagement involved, 'alive and awake' - Care UK made a profit at the Centre for the last three years.
Make that is the issue. Surely the NHS shouldn't be about making a profit. If they have made a profit then they are either over charging or under providing.
Maybe it is time for a change and bring in a not for profit group
Maybe they should, but they're not. They're closing the place completely and making nearly 100 people redundant, and putting the local hospital waiting lists back up. How does that help anyone, especially patients? Whether Care were making a profit or not isn't the main point, it was just a response to the person who stated that the Centre was closing due to mismanagement.
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carolyne74[/bold] wrote: No "could" about it. We've had official notification today that the Centre closes on 7 July and we have no jobs. No mismanagement involved, 'alive and awake' - Care UK made a profit at the Centre for the last three years.[/p][/quote]Make that is the issue. Surely the NHS shouldn't be about making a profit. If they have made a profit then they are either over charging or under providing. Maybe it is time for a change and bring in a not for profit group[/p][/quote]Maybe they should, but they're not. They're closing the place completely and making nearly 100 people redundant, and putting the local hospital waiting lists back up. How does that help anyone, especially patients? Whether Care were making a profit or not isn't the main point, it was just a response to the person who stated that the Centre was closing due to mismanagement. carolyne74
  • Score: -1

3:33pm Thu 10 Apr 14

carolyne74 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
linebacker2 wrote:
Ratters Rat wrote:
Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.
Claptrap.
Well depends in which part of the city you live.It needs to serve the wider community . It down to the GPS in the city if they want to pay the prices or look else where. Clearly they hold the purse strings to this been kept open or closed.
Ratters Rat. The Centre serves the whole of Bradford, the whole of Leeds, some patients in Lincolnshire(!!), and some patients come from North Yorkshire. I'm not sure how much of a wider community you expect it to serve.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: Its hardly the easiest place to get to the long drive to walk down. Its the location that's the problem wasn't impressed when I visited the place another waste of tax payers money.[/p][/quote]Claptrap.[/p][/quote]Well depends in which part of the city you live.It needs to serve the wider community . It down to the GPS in the city if they want to pay the prices or look else where. Clearly they hold the purse strings to this been kept open or closed.[/p][/quote]Ratters Rat. The Centre serves the whole of Bradford, the whole of Leeds, some patients in Lincolnshire(!!), and some patients come from North Yorkshire. I'm not sure how much of a wider community you expect it to serve. carolyne74
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Thu 10 Apr 14

carolyne74 says...

MrQuinque wrote:
I'm a little surprised at this, the Panorama expose 5 years ago was before Care UK took over and since then it seems to have been given a clean bill of health by the CQC. My guess is the bidders were just asking for too much money and BD CCG decided that NHS staff would provide better value for money.
This could be the case, but what happened to the concept of patient care? Besides, as far as staff have been told, when the CCG rejected Care's bid as unacceptable, Care asked what would be acceptable, only for communication to be ceased by the CCG. I guess patients will just have to get used to waiting months for scans and treatment rather than weeks...
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: I'm a little surprised at this, the Panorama expose 5 years ago was before Care UK took over and since then it seems to have been given a clean bill of health by the CQC. My guess is the bidders were just asking for too much money and BD CCG decided that NHS staff would provide better value for money.[/p][/quote]This could be the case, but what happened to the concept of patient care? Besides, as far as staff have been told, when the CCG rejected Care's bid as unacceptable, Care asked what would be acceptable, only for communication to be ceased by the CCG. I guess patients will just have to get used to waiting months for scans and treatment rather than weeks... carolyne74
  • Score: 0

3:36pm Thu 10 Apr 14

carolyne74 says...

Not so simple wrote:
Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far.

Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.
The Centre was already run by a private company.
[quote][p][bold]Not so simple[/bold] wrote: Privatisation is just around the corner: first step is to undermine and dismantle the great NHS and second step is to bring in private sector money to make it great and make us beggars pay through our noses. Compulsory medical insurance is not far. Look at the Royal Mail: sold out cheap and who's gonna pay: us guys with higher postage costs....the people in this country have been sold out too many times and this ship of privatisation is not going to turn back.[/p][/quote]The Centre was already run by a private company. carolyne74
  • Score: 5

9:51pm Thu 10 Apr 14

mrbing says...

What an appalling outcome for everyone, staff and patients alike.
the CCG should hang their heads in absolute shame.
What an appalling outcome for everyone, staff and patients alike. the CCG should hang their heads in absolute shame. mrbing
  • Score: 4

9:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

mrbing says...

carolyne74 wrote:
MrQuinque wrote:
I'm a little surprised at this, the Panorama expose 5 years ago was before Care UK took over and since then it seems to have been given a clean bill of health by the CQC. My guess is the bidders were just asking for too much money and BD CCG decided that NHS staff would provide better value for money.
This could be the case, but what happened to the concept of patient care? Besides, as far as staff have been told, when the CCG rejected Care's bid as unacceptable, Care asked what would be acceptable, only for communication to be ceased by the CCG. I guess patients will just have to get used to waiting months for scans and treatment rather than weeks...
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]carolyne74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: I'm a little surprised at this, the Panorama expose 5 years ago was before Care UK took over and since then it seems to have been given a clean bill of health by the CQC. My guess is the bidders were just asking for too much money and BD CCG decided that NHS staff would provide better value for money.[/p][/quote]This could be the case, but what happened to the concept of patient care? Besides, as far as staff have been told, when the CCG rejected Care's bid as unacceptable, Care asked what would be acceptable, only for communication to be ceased by the CCG. I guess patients will just have to get used to waiting months for scans and treatment rather than weeks...[/p][/quote]Well said. mrbing
  • Score: 1

11:10pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

At the end of the day it will be closed. Sadly staff will loses their jobs. We may never know the reason but could it be that the building is on a lease and since there is a lot of open space it may be the owner wants it for building new houses. That is just a thought do we really know who owns the building.
To give you an example a mill on Manchester Road is used by the NHS it is on a lease to the NHS last we heard the owner wanted the mill back from the NHS and had given notice to quit as he had been approached by another company with a better offer and I'm afraid that's business.
At the end of the day it will be closed. Sadly staff will loses their jobs. We may never know the reason but could it be that the building is on a lease and since there is a lot of open space it may be the owner wants it for building new houses. That is just a thought do we really know who owns the building. To give you an example a mill on Manchester Road is used by the NHS it is on a lease to the NHS last we heard the owner wanted the mill back from the NHS and had given notice to quit as he had been approached by another company with a better offer and I'm afraid that's business. Ratters Rat
  • Score: 0

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