One in five are unable to get to see a GP in Bradford

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: One in five patients in Bradford are unable to make an appointment to see a GP One in five patients in Bradford are unable to make an appointment to see a GP

More than one in five patients in parts of Bradford are unable to get a GP appointment when they need one, doctors are warning.

Hundreds of people in central areas of the city complained they could not book a slot, in official surveys carried out by the Department of Health.

In total, patients were being turned away on thousands of occasions each year, the Royal College of General Practitioners (RCGP) warned.

And it blamed the “growing crisis” on funding cuts to general practice at a time when demand for services is rising sharply.

The Bradford City clinical commissioning group (CCG) declined to comment on the survey’s results and the RCGP’s talk of a crisis.

But a spokesman for NHS England in West Yorkshire said 78 per cent of practices within the Bradford City boundaries offered extended opening hours, including on Saturdays.

He added: “We recognise that there is some variation in accessing GP services in Bradford.

“We are working with GP practices and the clinical commissioning group (CCG) to improve patient access and satisfaction rates in the local area.”

The survey tested the opinions of thousands of patients in each CCG area, over six months last year.

It found a staggering 22 per cent in Bradford City – a total of 370 patients of 1,632 who responded – were unable to “see or speak to someone” at their local surgery.

That was more than double the national average of ten per cent and easily the highest proportion in the district.

The next highest figure was in Bradford Districts (14 per cent), followed by Calderdale and North Kirklees (both 12 per cent), Leeds West (ten per cent) and Airedale, Wharfedale and Craven (nine per cent). The figures exclude patients who said they could get an appointment after being asked to “call back closer to, or on the day, I wanted”.

Dr Maureen Baker, of the RCGP, said: “The unprecedented decline in funding for healthcare in the community has brought general practice to its knees.

“GPs and practice nurses can’t keep doing more for less. Resources are increasingly being diverted into hospitals.”

The RCGP said the average number of annual consultations carried out by each GP in England has increased by 1,450 since 2008, from 9,264 to 10,714.

Councillor Mike Gibbons, who is chairman of Bradford Council’s health and social care overview and scrutiny committee, said: “Everyone should have reasonable access to a GP in 2014.

“The earlier that an intervention can take place often means a better outcome for the patient.

“Efforts are being made to improve matters and the survey does state that GPs are seeing their patients on 40 million more occasions than just five years ago. I urge people to demonstrate clearly when telephoning their GP the nature of their problem, and to stress the importance of their case.”

George Galloway, MP for Bradford West, was dismayed at the figures and vowed to tackle the problem.

He said: “It is a pretty shocking statistic and I will take it up with the relevant authority. It is something that I do hear colloquially at my surgery and on the street. It doesn’t sound right.”

David Ward, MP for Bradford East, said: “It is worrying because we are seeing an explosion nationally and locally in the use of accident and emergency, and it is putting it under immense pressure, and you begin to wonder if there is a connection between the two.

“Are people going to accident and emergency because it is a relatively speedy way of getting treatment, although more expensive?”

Andy Burnham, Labour’s health spokesman, also linked the lack of appointments to the rising numbers heading to choked A&E departments.

He said: “Patients call the surgery early in the morning only to be told nothing is available for days. It is unacceptable.”

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7:50am Tue 25 Feb 14

June Oh says...

It is strange how this is in the media at the moment as last year suddenly it became hard at my GP's to get appointments when previously same day appointments were the usual.
My thoughts are are the GP's on some political move against the Government.
It is strange how this is in the media at the moment as last year suddenly it became hard at my GP's to get appointments when previously same day appointments were the usual. My thoughts are are the GP's on some political move against the Government. June Oh

7:57am Tue 25 Feb 14

Mixter says...

Its not that long ago when i could phone my GP for an appointment, and be asked 'when would i like to come in?'

Now, its not possible to actually make an appointment for x days in advance. You have to sit on the phone at 8am until someone answers, and even then, its not guaranteed you will get a slot that day. If you have to be at work by 8, you are stuffed.
Its not that long ago when i could phone my GP for an appointment, and be asked 'when would i like to come in?' Now, its not possible to actually make an appointment for x days in advance. You have to sit on the phone at 8am until someone answers, and even then, its not guaranteed you will get a slot that day. If you have to be at work by 8, you are stuffed. Mixter

8:30am Tue 25 Feb 14

manure says...

and its nothing to do with immigration at all.

at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.
and its nothing to do with immigration at all. at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans. manure

8:45am Tue 25 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

manure wrote:
and its nothing to do with immigration at all.

at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.
Hit the nail on the head there

its EVERYTHING to do with immigration
[quote][p][bold]manure[/bold] wrote: and its nothing to do with immigration at all. at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.[/p][/quote]Hit the nail on the head there its EVERYTHING to do with immigration Andy2010

8:47am Tue 25 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

stop letting dole dossers who are not in any need to get well going before the people who finance their lifestyle.
see em all the time, ooh i've got a cold!
get a grip and stay inside with a lemsip and soup!
also make em pay for prescriptions!!
soon stop going!
stop letting dole dossers who are not in any need to get well going before the people who finance their lifestyle. see em all the time, ooh i've got a cold! get a grip and stay inside with a lemsip and soup! also make em pay for prescriptions!! soon stop going! tinytoonster

8:48am Tue 25 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

June Oh wrote:
It is strange how this is in the media at the moment as last year suddenly it became hard at my GP's to get appointments when previously same day appointments were the usual.
My thoughts are are the GP's on some political move against the Government.
of course it is.
tories n lib dems just voted against sick pay, labour did not.
tells you everything that!
[quote][p][bold]June Oh[/bold] wrote: It is strange how this is in the media at the moment as last year suddenly it became hard at my GP's to get appointments when previously same day appointments were the usual. My thoughts are are the GP's on some political move against the Government.[/p][/quote]of course it is. tories n lib dems just voted against sick pay, labour did not. tells you everything that! tinytoonster

9:03am Tue 25 Feb 14

BertSanders says...

The Politicians do not give an accurate financial understanding of the NHS - truth may well damage re -election. There are a large mass of old people and ability to treat them will become evermore challenging. A payment to see a doctor might alleviate the problem and make an appoinment eeasier
to get.. Soon the Bankers will get relief as the NHS will become the problem.on most peoples minds.
The Politicians do not give an accurate financial understanding of the NHS - truth may well damage re -election. There are a large mass of old people and ability to treat them will become evermore challenging. A payment to see a doctor might alleviate the problem and make an appoinment eeasier to get.. Soon the Bankers will get relief as the NHS will become the problem.on most peoples minds. BertSanders

9:19am Tue 25 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

If you just turn up and stand at the counter looking dumb, you will be seen pretty soon, oh! you need to not have a grasp of English and be accompanied by several others all shouting into mobile phones, when they have been seen, the go straight into the Chemists and come out clutching a big bag of freebies.
What a wonderful Country.
If you just turn up and stand at the counter looking dumb, you will be seen pretty soon, oh! you need to not have a grasp of English and be accompanied by several others all shouting into mobile phones, when they have been seen, the go straight into the Chemists and come out clutching a big bag of freebies. What a wonderful Country. alive and awake

9:20am Tue 25 Feb 14

buffetlegs says...

Andy2010 wrote:
manure wrote:
and its nothing to do with immigration at all.

at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.
Hit the nail on the head there

its EVERYTHING to do with immigration
Mmmmm, it would be so much more convenient if Eastern Europeans didn't get poorly, wouldn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manure[/bold] wrote: and its nothing to do with immigration at all. at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.[/p][/quote]Hit the nail on the head there its EVERYTHING to do with immigration[/p][/quote]Mmmmm, it would be so much more convenient if Eastern Europeans didn't get poorly, wouldn't it? buffetlegs

9:26am Tue 25 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

buffetlegs wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
manure wrote:
and its nothing to do with immigration at all.

at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.
Hit the nail on the head there

its EVERYTHING to do with immigration
Mmmmm, it would be so much more convenient if Eastern Europeans didn't get poorly, wouldn't it?
no it would be much convenient if they were not in there in the first place but in the doctors surgeries in east europe!
oh thats right, no nhs there!
[quote][p][bold]buffetlegs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manure[/bold] wrote: and its nothing to do with immigration at all. at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.[/p][/quote]Hit the nail on the head there its EVERYTHING to do with immigration[/p][/quote]Mmmmm, it would be so much more convenient if Eastern Europeans didn't get poorly, wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]no it would be much convenient if they were not in there in the first place but in the doctors surgeries in east europe! oh thats right, no nhs there! tinytoonster

10:02am Tue 25 Feb 14

Tinybantam says...

In Germany you have to pay 10 euros in order to see the doctor. It should be £10 here for an appointment with the doc. That would soon sort out the malingerer's who go for antibiotics when they only have a cold!
In Germany you have to pay 10 euros in order to see the doctor. It should be £10 here for an appointment with the doc. That would soon sort out the malingerer's who go for antibiotics when they only have a cold! Tinybantam

10:15am Tue 25 Feb 14

OLDLAD says...

I attend Wrose health centre when ill. Never had a problem getting an appointment. Maybe other surgeries should follow the way they run the system and become as efficient. Big well done to the staff at Wrose, nothing is a problem to them.
I attend Wrose health centre when ill. Never had a problem getting an appointment. Maybe other surgeries should follow the way they run the system and become as efficient. Big well done to the staff at Wrose, nothing is a problem to them. OLDLAD

10:17am Tue 25 Feb 14

cookie_brighton says...

I am glad I left Bradford for a better life.
I phoned my doctors surgery yesterday morning at 10.40 and asked for an appointment to see my G.P. I was given an appointment time of 11.30 that morning..........40 minutes later. .......:)
I am glad I left Bradford for a better life. I phoned my doctors surgery yesterday morning at 10.40 and asked for an appointment to see my G.P. I was given an appointment time of 11.30 that morning..........40 minutes later. .......:) cookie_brighton

10:21am Tue 25 Feb 14

PTN says...

I rang for an appointment at 8am as stipulated and eventually got through to someone on my 37th attempt. I was asked if my issue was an emergency and when i said it wasn,t they said i could not have an appointment that day but if i wanted one in the next day or so to ring back after 1pm. as they only book emergency appointments at 8am. I explained that i was at work and unable to ring back and if possible could they book an appointment in a fortnnghts time when i was off work and they said they couldn,t do that either as it was too far inadvance and they have to keep slots open for emergencys. After trying for 5 minutes and getting nowhere i put the phone down and never got to see the doctor. I still have an issue which i need to see a doctor with , its not an emergency and i am unable to book inadvance as i am usually at work at the phone in times so i think the best option is to ring up at 8am and lie about my symptoms , get an emergency appointment and then possibly deprive someone with a real emergency. The whole system is a joke , just getting past the receptionist is like trying to get through some third world despot countrys borders where you would expect to be talked down to and belittled.
BTW my fathers appointment last wee (heart complaint , 3 operations) took 196 attempts on the phone.
I rang for an appointment at 8am as stipulated and eventually got through to someone on my 37th attempt. I was asked if my issue was an emergency and when i said it wasn,t they said i could not have an appointment that day but if i wanted one in the next day or so to ring back after 1pm. as they only book emergency appointments at 8am. I explained that i was at work and unable to ring back and if possible could they book an appointment in a fortnnghts time when i was off work and they said they couldn,t do that either as it was too far inadvance and they have to keep slots open for emergencys. After trying for 5 minutes and getting nowhere i put the phone down and never got to see the doctor. I still have an issue which i need to see a doctor with , its not an emergency and i am unable to book inadvance as i am usually at work at the phone in times so i think the best option is to ring up at 8am and lie about my symptoms , get an emergency appointment and then possibly deprive someone with a real emergency. The whole system is a joke , just getting past the receptionist is like trying to get through some third world despot countrys borders where you would expect to be talked down to and belittled. BTW my fathers appointment last wee (heart complaint , 3 operations) took 196 attempts on the phone. PTN

10:32am Tue 25 Feb 14

pcmanners says...

Something has definitely gone wrong.

I used to be able to get a same day appointment, now it's usual to have to wait a week or more. I couldn't understand this, especially since my practice has recently taken on extra doctors, so I asked the receptionist. She said that a lot of doctors' time is now spent sitting on commissioning committees so they're unavailable for consultations.

This is madness, but I suppose the enthusiasm for Commissioning is that the doctors can make a few bob for themselves. Isn't privatisation wonderful.
Something has definitely gone wrong. I used to be able to get a same day appointment, now it's usual to have to wait a week or more. I couldn't understand this, especially since my practice has recently taken on extra doctors, so I asked the receptionist. She said that a lot of doctors' time is now spent sitting on commissioning committees so they're unavailable for consultations. This is madness, but I suppose the enthusiasm for Commissioning is that the doctors can make a few bob for themselves. Isn't privatisation wonderful. pcmanners

10:51am Tue 25 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

pcmanners "Something has definitely gone wrong"

Can be seen from these comments today that something as changed, T&A please investigate and dig deep please and get your readers the truth.
pcmanners "Something has definitely gone wrong" Can be seen from these comments today that something as changed, T&A please investigate and dig deep please and get your readers the truth. Joedavid

11:38am Tue 25 Feb 14

stickyplasters@hotmail.co.uk says...

I rang my local GP in Queensbury and told they were no appointments available for two weeks I . Work on a rota so do not know when I will be able to book...disappointed :(
I rang my local GP in Queensbury and told they were no appointments available for two weeks I . Work on a rota so do not know when I will be able to book...disappointed :( stickyplasters@hotmail.co.uk

11:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

mad matt says...

I can't even telephone my local practice, they no longer have an outside telephone line! They were taken over by a much larger practice years ago and I have to phone there after 8:30 am. The problem is that the line is always busy and by the time you do get through, all you here is a recorded message saying that there are no more appointments available.
The only way I can get to see the doctor is to go up to the surgery at 8 am, wait in a queue until 8:15, book an appointment for later in the day, then go back again at the appointed time and wait some more 'cos they're always running late.
No wonder people go to A&E
I can't even telephone my local practice, they no longer have an outside telephone line! They were taken over by a much larger practice years ago and I have to phone there after 8:30 am. The problem is that the line is always busy and by the time you do get through, all you here is a recorded message saying that there are no more appointments available. The only way I can get to see the doctor is to go up to the surgery at 8 am, wait in a queue until 8:15, book an appointment for later in the day, then go back again at the appointed time and wait some more 'cos they're always running late. No wonder people go to A&E mad matt

12:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Summergirl says...

This is an interesting article and the comments are interesting too. I saw my midwife recently and was advised to have a whooping cough vaccination to protect my unborn child. Apparently, childhood illnesses like this are on the increase in Britain despite once being virtually eradicated. So, after discussion with my partner, I rang my local surgery to get an appointment to have the vaccination - I have to wait 5 weeks as they can't get me in any sooner with my GP or the nurse!
This is an interesting article and the comments are interesting too. I saw my midwife recently and was advised to have a whooping cough vaccination to protect my unborn child. Apparently, childhood illnesses like this are on the increase in Britain despite once being virtually eradicated. So, after discussion with my partner, I rang my local surgery to get an appointment to have the vaccination - I have to wait 5 weeks as they can't get me in any sooner with my GP or the nurse! Summergirl

1:01pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

Facts are that GP's are on anything between £70000 and £140000 per year! (£2700 per week) lots now have a financial interest in practice and the all too often newly built connected pharmacy!

GP's have got a lot richer under Labour for doing a lot less.

No home visits, fewer hours, more meetings about pointless targets.

Solution - Unknown

In 2014 I should not have to wait over a week to see a Doctor not of my choice and sit in waiting room for over 2-hours for the appointment, when in 1980 I could see MY OWN GP same day or at home if needed!
Facts are that GP's are on anything between £70000 and £140000 per year! (£2700 per week) lots now have a financial interest in practice and the all too often newly built connected pharmacy! GP's have got a lot richer under Labour for doing a lot less. No home visits, fewer hours, more meetings about pointless targets. Solution - Unknown In 2014 I should not have to wait over a week to see a Doctor not of my choice and sit in waiting room for over 2-hours for the appointment, when in 1980 I could see MY OWN GP same day or at home if needed! MeccaBingo1

1:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/health/103347
73/Thousands-of-GPs-
paid-more-than-the-P
rime-Minister.html

For Ref on GP partner pay!
http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/103347 73/Thousands-of-GPs- paid-more-than-the-P rime-Minister.html For Ref on GP partner pay! MeccaBingo1

1:20pm Tue 25 Feb 14

WISE OLD WALTER says...

stickyplasters@hotma
il.co.uk
wrote:
I rang my local GP in Queensbury and told they were no appointments available for two weeks I . Work on a rota so do not know when I will be able to book...disappointed :(
Sounds very familiar for there, I bet if you turned up you will find the car park full with no patients to be seen inside and no one on the reception, a bit like the Marie Celeste. So when some people present at A & E, and you tell them who your GP is they do not seem surprised.
The local CCG need to get a grip, grow a pair and sort it out, these people forget they are in a service industry, if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in.
[quote][p][bold]stickyplasters@hotma il.co.uk[/bold] wrote: I rang my local GP in Queensbury and told they were no appointments available for two weeks I . Work on a rota so do not know when I will be able to book...disappointed :([/p][/quote]Sounds very familiar for there, I bet if you turned up you will find the car park full with no patients to be seen inside and no one on the reception, a bit like the Marie Celeste. So when some people present at A & E, and you tell them who your GP is they do not seem surprised. The local CCG need to get a grip, grow a pair and sort it out, these people forget they are in a service industry, if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in. WISE OLD WALTER

1:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

WISE OLD WALTER says...

Summergirl wrote:
This is an interesting article and the comments are interesting too. I saw my midwife recently and was advised to have a whooping cough vaccination to protect my unborn child. Apparently, childhood illnesses like this are on the increase in Britain despite once being virtually eradicated. So, after discussion with my partner, I rang my local surgery to get an appointment to have the vaccination - I have to wait 5 weeks as they can't get me in any sooner with my GP or the nurse!
Name and shame them, either to the CCG or the T & A.
[quote][p][bold]Summergirl[/bold] wrote: This is an interesting article and the comments are interesting too. I saw my midwife recently and was advised to have a whooping cough vaccination to protect my unborn child. Apparently, childhood illnesses like this are on the increase in Britain despite once being virtually eradicated. So, after discussion with my partner, I rang my local surgery to get an appointment to have the vaccination - I have to wait 5 weeks as they can't get me in any sooner with my GP or the nurse![/p][/quote]Name and shame them, either to the CCG or the T & A. WISE OLD WALTER

1:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

mr-dog says...

Rang up other day - first appointment available was THIRTEEN days off. Not good enough by a long way.
Rang up other day - first appointment available was THIRTEEN days off. Not good enough by a long way. mr-dog

1:33pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bonoforpm says...

Mixter wrote:
Its not that long ago when i could phone my GP for an appointment, and be asked 'when would i like to come in?'

Now, its not possible to actually make an appointment for x days in advance. You have to sit on the phone at 8am until someone answers, and even then, its not guaranteed you will get a slot that day. If you have to be at work by 8, you are stuffed.
You can blame Tony Blair and his targets culture for this.

Booking an appointment x days in advance doesn't make the surgery figures look good, but it is sensible as we all know.

By making you phone up on the day for an appointment that day the surgery can make the figures say that almost 100% of people got an appointment on the same day that they tried to.

Looks fantastic, but they are manipulating the situation to suit their own ends
[quote][p][bold]Mixter[/bold] wrote: Its not that long ago when i could phone my GP for an appointment, and be asked 'when would i like to come in?' Now, its not possible to actually make an appointment for x days in advance. You have to sit on the phone at 8am until someone answers, and even then, its not guaranteed you will get a slot that day. If you have to be at work by 8, you are stuffed.[/p][/quote]You can blame Tony Blair and his targets culture for this. Booking an appointment x days in advance doesn't make the surgery figures look good, but it is sensible as we all know. By making you phone up on the day for an appointment that day the surgery can make the figures say that almost 100% of people got an appointment on the same day that they tried to. Looks fantastic, but they are manipulating the situation to suit their own ends bonoforpm

2:21pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bd7 helper says...

tinytoonster wrote:
stop letting dole dossers who are not in any need to get well going before the people who finance their lifestyle.
see em all the time, ooh i've got a cold!
get a grip and stay inside with a lemsip and soup!
also make em pay for prescriptions!!
soon stop going!
You work your 2nd class
If your unemployed your 1st class
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: stop letting dole dossers who are not in any need to get well going before the people who finance their lifestyle. see em all the time, ooh i've got a cold! get a grip and stay inside with a lemsip and soup! also make em pay for prescriptions!! soon stop going![/p][/quote]You work your 2nd class If your unemployed your 1st class bd7 helper

3:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload? RollandSmoke

3:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Baildon girl says...

Sounds like all the doctors are the same now i was seriously considering changing my doctors but sounds like it will just be as bad. Wont say where i go now but its a world away from my old doctors in Baildon nice small friendly practice where i used to go with gps and other staff who actually seemed happy to see you.

Now takes me days to get a doctors appointment at all let alone around work and school hours, the doctors just seem like they dont care ive taken my kids and been sent away with "oh its just a virus" then next day been at out of hours where been put on meds for chest infections on more than one occasion.

My sons repeat prescription has been messed up on more than 1 occasion latest last week i ordered it and called in for it and to be told theres no record of it been ordered so ordered it again went to collect and found 2 prescriptions for him, receptionist said the original had been there for the last few days so why was it so hard for the other 1 not to find it.

I appreciate it must be a very hard job at times but seriously to all staff would it hurt to break a smile now and then or at least to show abit of compassion instead of been so hard faced all the time ...RANT OVER
Sounds like all the doctors are the same now i was seriously considering changing my doctors but sounds like it will just be as bad. Wont say where i go now but its a world away from my old doctors in Baildon nice small friendly practice where i used to go with gps and other staff who actually seemed happy to see you. Now takes me days to get a doctors appointment at all let alone around work and school hours, the doctors just seem like they dont care ive taken my kids and been sent away with "oh its just a virus" then next day been at out of hours where been put on meds for chest infections on more than one occasion. My sons repeat prescription has been messed up on more than 1 occasion latest last week i ordered it and called in for it and to be told theres no record of it been ordered so ordered it again went to collect and found 2 prescriptions for him, receptionist said the original had been there for the last few days so why was it so hard for the other 1 not to find it. I appreciate it must be a very hard job at times but seriously to all staff would it hurt to break a smile now and then or at least to show abit of compassion instead of been so hard faced all the time ...RANT OVER Baildon girl

3:37pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Yorkshire Lass says...

Are all of these GP's oversubscribed. If so this means there are more people to each doctor and the system is overloaded. Obviously something has got to give and maybe not so much a political agenda as it appears to be. Perhaps the Doctors' get so much salary that they don't have to work as hard as they used to do for the extra pay.
Are all of these GP's oversubscribed. If so this means there are more people to each doctor and the system is overloaded. Obviously something has got to give and maybe not so much a political agenda as it appears to be. Perhaps the Doctors' get so much salary that they don't have to work as hard as they used to do for the extra pay. Yorkshire Lass

3:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Albion. says...

There'll be even longer queues for the doctors if people start dining at the Westfield food court. If the three new signed up traders are anything to go by.
There'll be even longer queues for the doctors if people start dining at the Westfield food court. If the three new signed up traders are anything to go by. Albion.

3:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide. alive and awake

4:16pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Bantambhoy says...

I don't mind naming my medical practice, it is Bingley at Canalside They are FANTASTIC. Call for an appointment, receive a call back by a doctor, quick assessment and appointment, advice or referral given, no problem.
Could be the location I suppose!
I don't mind naming my medical practice, it is Bingley at Canalside They are FANTASTIC. Call for an appointment, receive a call back by a doctor, quick assessment and appointment, advice or referral given, no problem. Could be the location I suppose! Bantambhoy

4:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim. RollandSmoke

4:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
I don't mind naming my medical practice, it is Bingley at Canalside They are FANTASTIC. Call for an appointment, receive a call back by a doctor, quick assessment and appointment, advice or referral given, no problem.
Could be the location I suppose!
Wow that is what I call a good service, mine is as bad as a lot are I suppose, ok. when you actually get to see a Doctor, but getting through on the phone almost impossible, then the third degree from the gestapo on reception, is very stressful.
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: I don't mind naming my medical practice, it is Bingley at Canalside They are FANTASTIC. Call for an appointment, receive a call back by a doctor, quick assessment and appointment, advice or referral given, no problem. Could be the location I suppose![/p][/quote]Wow that is what I call a good service, mine is as bad as a lot are I suppose, ok. when you actually get to see a Doctor, but getting through on the phone almost impossible, then the third degree from the gestapo on reception, is very stressful. alive and awake

4:27pm Tue 25 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.[/p][/quote]I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable. alive and awake

4:34pm Tue 25 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.
Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.[/p][/quote]I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.[/p][/quote]Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain. RollandSmoke

4:39pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Bantambhoy says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.
Rollandsmoke,Blah, blah, blah, off topic, getting your 4penn'orth in on any thread, you really do need help.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.[/p][/quote]I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.[/p][/quote]Rollandsmoke,Blah, blah, blah, off topic, getting your 4penn'orth in on any thread, you really do need help. Bantambhoy

4:44pm Tue 25 Feb 14

knox615 says...

Leeds isn't much better.
I rang for an appointment at my Doctor's in Stanningley, only to be told, as usual, that there were none available until a week later. The day before the appointment they texted me to say they had cancelled it and could I ring to make another one. So that would be another week. The same thing happened last time I needed an appointment, and that was some time ago. I'm jusst having to guess with my medication, which is far from ideal.....
Leeds isn't much better. I rang for an appointment at my Doctor's in Stanningley, only to be told, as usual, that there were none available until a week later. The day before the appointment they texted me to say they had cancelled it and could I ring to make another one. So that would be another week. The same thing happened last time I needed an appointment, and that was some time ago. I'm jusst having to guess with my medication, which is far from ideal..... knox615

4:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.
Rollandsmoke,Blah, blah, blah, off topic, getting your 4penn'orth in on any thread, you really do need help.
Do I? That would be nice, who's going to provide me with some help? How's it going to be funded? We don't live in a world where people help each other any more. My first comment was very much on topic but your fellow Tory shill dragged it off topic. Thanks for your opinion but if you could stick it where the sun doesn't shine I'd be most grateful.
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.[/p][/quote]I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.[/p][/quote]Rollandsmoke,Blah, blah, blah, off topic, getting your 4penn'orth in on any thread, you really do need help.[/p][/quote]Do I? That would be nice, who's going to provide me with some help? How's it going to be funded? We don't live in a world where people help each other any more. My first comment was very much on topic but your fellow Tory shill dragged it off topic. Thanks for your opinion but if you could stick it where the sun doesn't shine I'd be most grateful. RollandSmoke

4:57pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ade_splat says...

Tinybantam wrote:
In Germany you have to pay 10 euros in order to see the doctor. It should be £10 here for an appointment with the doc. That would soon sort out the malingerer's who go for antibiotics when they only have a cold!
I suspect this would shift the issue to AE
[quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: In Germany you have to pay 10 euros in order to see the doctor. It should be £10 here for an appointment with the doc. That would soon sort out the malingerer's who go for antibiotics when they only have a cold![/p][/quote]I suspect this would shift the issue to AE ade_splat

5:00pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Beaten-nurse says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.
Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain.
Get a job and stop moaning. It's perfectly acceptable for people on benefits to be assessed for eligibility the same as it's acceptable for me to demonstrate to my employers that I'm doing what I should to get paid. I agree with previous posts that a small payment should be charged for GP appointments. That would stop people taking all the appointments because they're too grasping to pay for over the counter meds.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.[/p][/quote]I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.[/p][/quote]Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain.[/p][/quote]Get a job and stop moaning. It's perfectly acceptable for people on benefits to be assessed for eligibility the same as it's acceptable for me to demonstrate to my employers that I'm doing what I should to get paid. I agree with previous posts that a small payment should be charged for GP appointments. That would stop people taking all the appointments because they're too grasping to pay for over the counter meds. Beaten-nurse

5:12pm Tue 25 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

Beaten-nurse wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.
Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain.
Get a job and stop moaning. It's perfectly acceptable for people on benefits to be assessed for eligibility the same as it's acceptable for me to demonstrate to my employers that I'm doing what I should to get paid. I agree with previous posts that a small payment should be charged for GP appointments. That would stop people taking all the appointments because they're too grasping to pay for over the counter meds.
If only it were that simple to "get a job". I mean there are people so thick as to not be able to grasp that I have been told by my doctor that I am unfit for work and have been through numerous Atos assessments who have also declared me unfit for work and yet these retards mange to find employment. Maybe just maybe Beaten-nurse that's why we have so many problems.
[quote][p][bold]Beaten-nurse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.[/p][/quote]I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.[/p][/quote]Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain.[/p][/quote]Get a job and stop moaning. It's perfectly acceptable for people on benefits to be assessed for eligibility the same as it's acceptable for me to demonstrate to my employers that I'm doing what I should to get paid. I agree with previous posts that a small payment should be charged for GP appointments. That would stop people taking all the appointments because they're too grasping to pay for over the counter meds.[/p][/quote]If only it were that simple to "get a job". I mean there are people so thick as to not be able to grasp that I have been told by my doctor that I am unfit for work and have been through numerous Atos assessments who have also declared me unfit for work and yet these retards mange to find employment. Maybe just maybe Beaten-nurse that's why we have so many problems. RollandSmoke

6:51pm Tue 25 Feb 14

RollandSmoke says...

I would just like to point out that although in my previous post I appear to be having a go at a nurse I don't believe for one moment I was and I think you would struggle to find anyone within the nursing profession that would agree with his/her comments. I think I'll claim to be a train driver for a while.
I would just like to point out that although in my previous post I appear to be having a go at a nurse I don't believe for one moment I was and I think you would struggle to find anyone within the nursing profession that would agree with his/her comments. I think I'll claim to be a train driver for a while. RollandSmoke

8:22pm Tue 25 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.
I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.
Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain.
Why then are you not grateful for what you do receive? don't be ashamed, just be grateful, and don't bite the hand that's feeding you.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not frightened of them because I'm not daft enough to go along with what these muppets tell me and I'm not shy of holding them to account. Those with the ability to stand up for themselves generally speaking find that they go through the process, get found fit for work, appeal and then are told "sorry we made a mistake". Due to the length of time taken over appeals they will then be dragged in for another assessment and the process starts all over again. All at the taxpayers expense. However not everyone is like me and the weaker and more vulnerable they are the easier a target they become for the assessor to meet their targets which they allege don't exist. In order to defend yourself against the system you need the mental capacity to understand what the system is doing and your rights within it, if you do not then you will become it's victim.[/p][/quote]I have to say you do sound like a complete pain in the rear, and from what I have read in your comments, and given your chosen name your are probably unemployable.[/p][/quote]Due to my health problems I am unemployable which I'm grateful of as from what I can see the employers nowadays have no interest in the quality of life of their employees and the wages are merely a token to avoid accusations of slavery. My health isn't going to improve by threatening what little security I have in order to force me into being exploited for someone else's financial gain.[/p][/quote]Why then are you not grateful for what you do receive? don't be ashamed, just be grateful, and don't bite the hand that's feeding you. alive and awake

8:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

lazybeat says...

you must be naïve if you think the NHS was here forever. As a employer in the medical industry for over 15 years, the changes pushing to privatisation has been visit over the last 6 years. The new CCG changes introduced by parliament are designed for failure. They have no interest in saving the NHS, they just want the clinicians to be blamed for its collapse and not the politicians.
you must be naïve if you think the NHS was here forever. As a employer in the medical industry for over 15 years, the changes pushing to privatisation has been visit over the last 6 years. The new CCG changes introduced by parliament are designed for failure. They have no interest in saving the NHS, they just want the clinicians to be blamed for its collapse and not the politicians. lazybeat

8:42pm Tue 25 Feb 14

micela22 says...

Cowgill Surger, BD14y don`t have an appointment system & it`s perfect :if you`re poorly you wait to see the doctor. Partner with The Ridge: i need to take a Kalms before I call them for an appointment convenient for him as he can`t call at 8am - he works!! nor can he call after 1pm as he`s at work & can`t use his phone at these times, definitely geared towards people who don`t work
Cowgill Surger, BD14y don`t have an appointment system & it`s perfect :if you`re poorly you wait to see the doctor. Partner with The Ridge: i need to take a Kalms before I call them for an appointment convenient for him as he can`t call at 8am - he works!! nor can he call after 1pm as he`s at work & can`t use his phone at these times, definitely geared towards people who don`t work micela22

9:17pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Michael Manus says...

Andy2010 wrote:
manure wrote:
and its nothing to do with immigration at all.

at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.
Hit the nail on the head there

its EVERYTHING to do with immigration
Its not just immigration which has contributed to this problem but excessive building, you only have to look at Queensbury 2 doctors surgeries, 2 dentists who are no longer taking new patients, an additional 400+ houses being built at the moment and more which have had planning permission passed. How can doctors be expected to cope with no additional money being spent on resources. Councils are just as much to blame!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manure[/bold] wrote: and its nothing to do with immigration at all. at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.[/p][/quote]Hit the nail on the head there its EVERYTHING to do with immigration[/p][/quote]Its not just immigration which has contributed to this problem but excessive building, you only have to look at Queensbury 2 doctors surgeries, 2 dentists who are no longer taking new patients, an additional 400+ houses being built at the moment and more which have had planning permission passed. How can doctors be expected to cope with no additional money being spent on resources. Councils are just as much to blame! Michael Manus

11:12am Wed 26 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

Michael Manus wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
manure wrote:
and its nothing to do with immigration at all.

at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.
Hit the nail on the head there

its EVERYTHING to do with immigration
Its not just immigration which has contributed to this problem but excessive building, you only have to look at Queensbury 2 doctors surgeries, 2 dentists who are no longer taking new patients, an additional 400+ houses being built at the moment and more which have had planning permission passed. How can doctors be expected to cope with no additional money being spent on resources. Councils are just as much to blame!
Heres how

1) Cut down on their well paid committe work
2) Work in shifts to accomadate later opening hours
3) Have nurses deal with matters that can be dealt with by them
4) Not pay for translation services.
5) Refuse to see any patients who cannot produce National Insurance

You right about the housing though as this is a major problem with schools more so than doctors. But then again we need more housing which leads me back to my original post

EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION
[quote][p][bold]Michael Manus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manure[/bold] wrote: and its nothing to do with immigration at all. at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.[/p][/quote]Hit the nail on the head there its EVERYTHING to do with immigration[/p][/quote]Its not just immigration which has contributed to this problem but excessive building, you only have to look at Queensbury 2 doctors surgeries, 2 dentists who are no longer taking new patients, an additional 400+ houses being built at the moment and more which have had planning permission passed. How can doctors be expected to cope with no additional money being spent on resources. Councils are just as much to blame![/p][/quote]Heres how 1) Cut down on their well paid committe work 2) Work in shifts to accomadate later opening hours 3) Have nurses deal with matters that can be dealt with by them 4) Not pay for translation services. 5) Refuse to see any patients who cannot produce National Insurance You right about the housing though as this is a major problem with schools more so than doctors. But then again we need more housing which leads me back to my original post EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION Andy2010

2:07pm Wed 26 Feb 14

basil fawlty says...

I have seen the abysmal service given to a poorly relative who would spend the best part of a day trying to telephone the local surgery in Little Horton. It was not unusual for the outcome to result in a 999 phone call. The system has collapsed.
I have seen the abysmal service given to a poorly relative who would spend the best part of a day trying to telephone the local surgery in Little Horton. It was not unusual for the outcome to result in a 999 phone call. The system has collapsed. basil fawlty

5:25pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Reality001 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
manure wrote:
and its nothing to do with immigration at all.

at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.
Hit the nail on the head there

its EVERYTHING to do with immigration
The reason your having to wait ages to get to see a Doctor is nothing to do with immigration, but Tory Lib Dem Policy of underfunding the GP service.

Of course the Tories would like everyone to believe it's immigration causing all the problems, to deflect from their policies which are bring misery to so many people.

The fast majority of people claiming benefit are now in work - not out of work.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manure[/bold] wrote: and its nothing to do with immigration at all. at my surgery you either have to hang around on a premium rate telephone line at 8am, or go on to the surgery and join a queue of eastern Europeans.[/p][/quote]Hit the nail on the head there its EVERYTHING to do with immigration[/p][/quote]The reason your having to wait ages to get to see a Doctor is nothing to do with immigration, but Tory Lib Dem Policy of underfunding the GP service. Of course the Tories would like everyone to believe it's immigration causing all the problems, to deflect from their policies which are bring misery to so many people. The fast majority of people claiming benefit are now in work - not out of work. Reality001

1:56pm Thu 27 Feb 14

eccythump says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in.REALLY ? Have you ever been to an ATOS assessment? Do you know anyone who has ? When you are too sick/disabled to be able to work, when you and your GP know that for a fact, having to attend an interrogation by rote, one where you know that your condition will be played down, where evidence you provide will be omitted, or manipulated, where you know that if you walk away with 0 points it will take you a year, or even more to appeal ! This is not something to fear ? IDIOT !
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in.REALLY ? Have you ever been to an ATOS assessment? Do you know anyone who has ? When you are too sick/disabled to be able to work, when you and your GP know that for a fact, having to attend an interrogation by rote, one where you know that your condition will be played down, where evidence you provide will be omitted, or manipulated, where you know that if you walk away with 0 points it will take you a year, or even more to appeal ! This is not something to fear ? IDIOT ! eccythump

2:06pm Thu 27 Feb 14

eccythump says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?
What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.
.REALLY ? Have you ever been to an ATOS assessment? Do you know anyone who has ? When you are too sick/disabled to be able to work, when you and your GP know that for a fact, having to attend an interrogation by rote, one where you know that your condition will be played down, where evidence you provide will be omitted, or manipulated, where you know that if you walk away with 0 points it will take you a year, or even more to appeal ! This is not something to fear ? IDIOT !
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in." Who do you suggest Walter? Are we not too bothered about whether their replacements are sufficiently qualified to do the job? How many years at medical school does it take to become a GP? Are we just trying to hound them out so as their jobs can be offered to Atos assessors on the cheap when Atos ends it's £100m a year contract with the government? How much have the Atos assessments and the fear that is experienced by patients going through the process contributed to the GP's workload?[/p][/quote]What is your frightened of regarding Atos. Surely the ones who are frightened are the ones with something to hide.[/p][/quote].REALLY ? Have you ever been to an ATOS assessment? Do you know anyone who has ? When you are too sick/disabled to be able to work, when you and your GP know that for a fact, having to attend an interrogation by rote, one where you know that your condition will be played down, where evidence you provide will be omitted, or manipulated, where you know that if you walk away with 0 points it will take you a year, or even more to appeal ! This is not something to fear ? IDIOT ! eccythump

2:08pm Thu 27 Feb 14

eccythump says...

eccythump wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in.REALLY ? Have you ever been to an ATOS assessment? Do you know anyone who has ? When you are too sick/disabled to be able to work, when you and your GP know that for a fact, having to attend an interrogation by rote, one where you know that your condition will be played down, where evidence you provide will be omitted, or manipulated, where you know that if you walk away with 0 points it will take you a year, or even more to appeal ! This is not something to fear ? IDIOT !PLEASE IGNORE THIS REPLY FROM ME. SOMEHOW THE END OF THE POST REGARDING ATOS WAS OMITTED, SO IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AS SUCH. SEE FOLLOWING POST INSTEAD. THANK-YOU.
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Once again the Doctors come under attack. Just yesterday posters on here were telling me that Doctors were signing fit and healthy people onto the sick and were complicit in false whiplash claims. Of course no evidence was presented to back up this slander. Wise Old Walter says "if they don't Iike it I suggest they leave and let someone less workshy in.REALLY ? Have you ever been to an ATOS assessment? Do you know anyone who has ? When you are too sick/disabled to be able to work, when you and your GP know that for a fact, having to attend an interrogation by rote, one where you know that your condition will be played down, where evidence you provide will be omitted, or manipulated, where you know that if you walk away with 0 points it will take you a year, or even more to appeal ! This is not something to fear ? IDIOT ![/p][/quote]PLEASE IGNORE THIS REPLY FROM ME. SOMEHOW THE END OF THE POST REGARDING ATOS WAS OMITTED, SO IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AS SUCH. SEE FOLLOWING POST INSTEAD. THANK-YOU. eccythump

2:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

eccythump says...

Those of you saying that doctors should charge for appointments, do you realise that, as with prescription charges, they would probably not be applicable to those in receipt of benefits ? So it would further penalise the workers.
Those of you saying that doctors should charge for appointments, do you realise that, as with prescription charges, they would probably not be applicable to those in receipt of benefits ? So it would further penalise the workers. eccythump

10:06pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Helen28 says...

ade_splat wrote:
Tinybantam wrote:
In Germany you have to pay 10 euros in order to see the doctor. It should be £10 here for an appointment with the doc. That would soon sort out the malingerer's who go for antibiotics when they only have a cold!
I suspect this would shift the issue to AE
trouble with that is working people would have to pay - the workshy would be exempt as they are with everything else - that's the problem, they won't buy anything and clog up the appointments system for calpol etc instead of forking out for it. If you pay for prescriptions its cheaper to buy certain things - if its all free they clog up the system.
[quote][p][bold]ade_splat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tinybantam[/bold] wrote: In Germany you have to pay 10 euros in order to see the doctor. It should be £10 here for an appointment with the doc. That would soon sort out the malingerer's who go for antibiotics when they only have a cold![/p][/quote]I suspect this would shift the issue to AE[/p][/quote]trouble with that is working people would have to pay - the workshy would be exempt as they are with everything else - that's the problem, they won't buy anything and clog up the appointments system for calpol etc instead of forking out for it. If you pay for prescriptions its cheaper to buy certain things - if its all free they clog up the system. Helen28

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