Planners refuse permission for 10m Holme Wood school fence

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The fence at Carrwood Primary School The fence at Carrwood Primary School

Council planners have criticised the education department after refusing to legitimise a “hideous” school fence put up without permission.

Carrwood Primary School, Holme Wood, had put up 10m-high netting and steel post fence to stop yobs throwing stones at pupils, windows and cars.

But the fence did not have planning permission and drew criticism from locals who called it an eyesore. Even ward Councillor John Ruding (Lab, Tong), a governor at the school, said it should come down.

A retrospective application for permission has now been refused unanimously by the Bradford Area Planning Panel.

Addressing the panel yesterday, Coun Ruding said the fence had appeared as part of an extension which had been both managed and designed by the Council, which raised serious questions about why it had not first got planning permission for it.

He said: “It’s hideous.”

The vice-chairman of the governors, Perry Pommells, spoke on behalf of the school, saying: “Our pupils’ educational futures are priceless. You have to consider the disruption of school classes if windows are smashed.”

Panel member Coun Imran Khan (Lab) said he was “sick to the back teeth” of the Council’s education department assuming it could get planning permission after the fact.

He said: “Schools are pushing ahead and doing things and putting in retrospective planning applications and we have got to put a stop to it.”

Coun Malcolm Sykes (Con) said the issue of people throwing stones should be a matter for the police to solve, not planners.

Coun Keith Dredge (Lab) said approving the fence would be “providing a cure for the symptom without curing the actual disease”, which would not be fair on pupils.

And Coun Zameer Shah (Con) said it would be setting a precedent for any school in a residential area.

Speaking after the meeting, Mr Pommells said: “Sometimes not everything goes your way. They say it’s a police matter, but you can’t have the police standing there all day.”

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6:38am Fri 14 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

This week in T&A seems to be Planning news week due to several stories on Planning permissions.
This week in T&A seems to be Planning news week due to several stories on Planning permissions. Joedavid

7:08am Fri 14 Feb 14

Albion. says...

"A retrospective application for permission has now been refused unanimously by the Bradford Area Planning Panel."

Well you certainly don't read that very often.
"A retrospective application for permission has now been refused unanimously by the Bradford Area Planning Panel." Well you certainly don't read that very often. Albion.

7:42am Fri 14 Feb 14

angry bradfordian says...

Panel member Coun Imran Khan (Lab) said he was “sick to the back teeth” of the Council’s education department assuming it could get planning permission after the fact.

I have NEVER read a councillor making such a statement about the other numerous cases of private individuals doing the same thing.
I don't for example remember hearing anyone on the planning committee making such strong comments on the saga of a certain bazaar....
Panel member Coun Imran Khan (Lab) said he was “sick to the back teeth” of the Council’s education department assuming it could get planning permission after the fact. I have NEVER read a councillor making such a statement about the other numerous cases of private individuals doing the same thing. I don't for example remember hearing anyone on the planning committee making such strong comments on the saga of a certain bazaar.... angry bradfordian

9:27am Fri 14 Feb 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Fence doesn't look too bad. Maybe if the local residents kept their feral youths in check and stopped them throwing stones at primary school kids, there would be no need for it.

How do the council propose the school protects is pupils now? Will the council accept responsibility if a child is badly hurt of even killed after being hit with a stone of half brick?
Fence doesn't look too bad. Maybe if the local residents kept their feral youths in check and stopped them throwing stones at primary school kids, there would be no need for it. How do the council propose the school protects is pupils now? Will the council accept responsibility if a child is badly hurt of even killed after being hit with a stone of half brick? Bone_idle18

9:30am Fri 14 Feb 14

modman61 says...

The safety of pupils, staff and property has got to be the number one priority. Bradford Council need to get a grip.
The safety of pupils, staff and property has got to be the number one priority. Bradford Council need to get a grip. modman61

11:12am Fri 14 Feb 14

cityofdreams says...

any news on the arabian 'shesha castle' that has been erected just off thornton road without planing or a license to operate ? or is the owner of said building one of the ones who flutter around planning rules ....a arabian castle in bradford..yeah thats keeping with the traditions ,,oh yeah i forgot ,,the great british history is being eradicated
any news on the arabian 'shesha castle' that has been erected just off thornton road without planing or a license to operate ? or is the owner of said building one of the ones who flutter around planning rules ....a arabian castle in bradford..yeah thats keeping with the traditions ,,oh yeah i forgot ,,the great british history is being eradicated cityofdreams

11:35am Fri 14 Feb 14

Parz says...

"Coun Malcolm Sykes (Con) said the issue of people throwing stones should be a matter for the police to solve, not planners."

Basically "It's not our problem, let someone else deal with it." I wonder if this would be his attitude if it was in his own area.

"Coun Keith Dredge (Lab) said approving the fence would be “providing a cure for the symptom without curing the actual disease”, which would not be fair on pupils."

Would it not be better to leave the fence up and keep the "cure for the symptom" until a cure for the "disease" could be found? Is it more fair on the pupils for one of them to get hit in the face with a thrown stone than having to look at a fence?

Absolute claptrap from these two.
"Coun Malcolm Sykes (Con) said the issue of people throwing stones should be a matter for the police to solve, not planners." Basically "It's not our problem, let someone else deal with it." I wonder if this would be his attitude if it was in his own area. "Coun Keith Dredge (Lab) said approving the fence would be “providing a cure for the symptom without curing the actual disease”, which would not be fair on pupils." Would it not be better to leave the fence up and keep the "cure for the symptom" until a cure for the "disease" could be found? Is it more fair on the pupils for one of them to get hit in the face with a thrown stone than having to look at a fence? Absolute claptrap from these two. Parz

12:35pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Duke of Odsal says...

It seems to me that a temporary permission (say for 2 years) would both protect the pupils, hopefully give comfort to residents that this isn't a permanent eyesore, and maybe break the cycle of stone-throwing etc. that led the school down this path. It is though incumbent upon the planning committee to seek to uphold planning law, so some strongly worded reprimand on the approach taken would also be appropriate. Refusing the application outright is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
It seems to me that a temporary permission (say for 2 years) would both protect the pupils, hopefully give comfort to residents that this isn't a permanent eyesore, and maybe break the cycle of stone-throwing etc. that led the school down this path. It is though incumbent upon the planning committee to seek to uphold planning law, so some strongly worded reprimand on the approach taken would also be appropriate. Refusing the application outright is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Duke of Odsal

12:42pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Bone_idle18 says...

If I were the school I'd take the stance the shops on Ivegate are taking, and refuse to remove the fence until the council do something about the safety of pupils, staff and property!
If I were the school I'd take the stance the shops on Ivegate are taking, and refuse to remove the fence until the council do something about the safety of pupils, staff and property! Bone_idle18

1:20pm Fri 14 Feb 14

northern pig says...

It is not just an issue of protecting the chidren by having a large fence,it is also an obsticle to contend with for the thieves who have designs on breaking into the school in the evening and duting the holidays. Wrong decision in my opinon.
It is not just an issue of protecting the chidren by having a large fence,it is also an obsticle to contend with for the thieves who have designs on breaking into the school in the evening and duting the holidays. Wrong decision in my opinon. northern pig

1:37pm Fri 14 Feb 14

collos25 says...

After yesterdays headline about relaxing planning rules we have the following day the results.Surely the childrens safety is paramount the council have done nothing the olice are as much use as a chocolate fireguard so the school takes its own measures and rightly so.My advice leave the fence where it is until the council come up with a workable plan.
After yesterdays headline about relaxing planning rules we have the following day the results.Surely the childrens safety is paramount the council have done nothing the olice are as much use as a chocolate fireguard so the school takes its own measures and rightly so.My advice leave the fence where it is until the council come up with a workable plan. collos25

2:34pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Freddy Elliot says...

cityofdreams wrote:
any news on the arabian 'shesha castle' that has been erected just off thornton road without planing or a license to operate ? or is the owner of said building one of the ones who flutter around planning rules ....a arabian castle in bradford..yeah thats keeping with the traditions ,,oh yeah i forgot ,,the great british history is being eradicated
I hope they don't spoil the area by putting roller shutters on it.
[quote][p][bold]cityofdreams[/bold] wrote: any news on the arabian 'shesha castle' that has been erected just off thornton road without planing or a license to operate ? or is the owner of said building one of the ones who flutter around planning rules ....a arabian castle in bradford..yeah thats keeping with the traditions ,,oh yeah i forgot ,,the great british history is being eradicated[/p][/quote]I hope they don't spoil the area by putting roller shutters on it. Freddy Elliot

3:56pm Fri 14 Feb 14

collos25 says...

But god help them if they put a fence around it.
But god help them if they put a fence around it. collos25

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