Bradford Telegraph and ArgusFears over tip hours-cut plan (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

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Critics respond to Council move aimed at saving nearly £200,000

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The Midland Road tip, one of eight household waste-recycling centres across the district The Midland Road tip, one of eight household waste-recycling centres across the district

A plan to cut the opening hours of the district’s tips will lead to a rise in fly-tipping, according to critics.

Bradford Council, which runs eight household waste-recycling centres across the district, proposes to reduce the opening times to save nearly £200,000 over two years.

Currently all its tips are open seven days a week, but the authority says visitor numbers are low in the early morning and during weekdays.

So the plan is to “maximise efficiency” by opening one hour less each day. Each site would also close for two days a week.

None of the full-day closures would happen on weekends and at least four sites would be open each day across the district.

The plan forms part of the Council’s budget proposal for the next two years, which have been out to public consultation.

The results of this consultation are now being processed and the Labour administration is expected to announce its finalised budget plan on February 18, ahead of a full Council budget meeting on February 20.

Marie Parkin, of Keighley, said she was “shocked” when she heard of the plan during a visit to her local tip.

She said: “My main concern is if the sites are running on reduced opening hours, will this increase the likelihood of fly-tipping? In my opinion, absolutely yes.”

The Council’s Conservative group also has concerns.

Their leader, Councillor Glen Miller, said people who went to the tip only to find it shut would be more likely to fly-tip. “They will sling it on the sides of roads. I see it all the time.”

He also said he was worried that two-day closing would become “three days, then four days”.

Councillor Howard Middleton, chief whip for the Liberal Democrats, said he accepted the tips’ hours needed looking at.

But he said any opening hours lost during the day should be reallocated, so they could open later in the evenings.

He said: “Sometimes when you go in the middle of the week it’s very empty when you go in. Some people often contact me in the evenings and say, ‘I want to take my grass cuttings to the tip and it’s shut’.”

Councillor Andrew Thornton, Labour’s executive member for waste, said Coun Miller’s comments were “entirely speculation”.

He said: “I don’t view it at all as the thin end of the wedge.”

And he stressed that they were considering all public feedback on the proposals and no final decision had yet been made.

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7:50am Thu 6 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

i'm confused, if they close on say a tuesday and thursday surely the staff will still be employed just not working at the waste site.
how does that save money?
you cannot just sack someone without a pay off so its catch 22.
i'm confused, if they close on say a tuesday and thursday surely the staff will still be employed just not working at the waste site. how does that save money? you cannot just sack someone without a pay off so its catch 22. tinytoonster
  • Score: 5

7:58am Thu 6 Feb 14

bd7 helper says...

tinytoonster wrote:
i'm confused, if they close on say a tuesday and thursday surely the staff will still be employed just not working at the waste site.
how does that save money?
you cannot just sack someone without a pay off so its catch 22.
Not got enough staff
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: i'm confused, if they close on say a tuesday and thursday surely the staff will still be employed just not working at the waste site. how does that save money? you cannot just sack someone without a pay off so its catch 22.[/p][/quote]Not got enough staff bd7 helper
  • Score: 1

7:59am Thu 6 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Does Cllr Thornton want people to fly tip as he intends on making it as hard as possible to use tips. Permits,less hours all to save a figure that could be saved by just removing the bung the council pay to the unions when employee subs should cover the cost.
This council still won't consider a cut in councillors from 90. Shows you where their priorities are.
Does Cllr Thornton want people to fly tip as he intends on making it as hard as possible to use tips. Permits,less hours all to save a figure that could be saved by just removing the bung the council pay to the unions when employee subs should cover the cost. This council still won't consider a cut in councillors from 90. Shows you where their priorities are. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 13

8:52am Thu 6 Feb 14

Apollo says...

Utter nonsense.

Bradford Council once again proving (as if there were any doubt) that they are Not Fit For Purpose.
Utter nonsense. Bradford Council once again proving (as if there were any doubt) that they are Not Fit For Purpose. Apollo
  • Score: 14

9:20am Thu 6 Feb 14

BertSanders says...

Even if hours are restricted the tips should be used - there is much too much litter in the City. Don't blame the Council - after report they cleared up -
six weeks later it is littered again. The Litter Act - The Seat Belt Act - the Telephone Use in Cars - are all unenforceable - as will be smoking in cars.
It is public responsibility that is necessary, and there is'nt much of that in Bradford. Fly tipping - ensure it is a seriously punishable offence.
Even if hours are restricted the tips should be used - there is much too much litter in the City. Don't blame the Council - after report they cleared up - six weeks later it is littered again. The Litter Act - The Seat Belt Act - the Telephone Use in Cars - are all unenforceable - as will be smoking in cars. It is public responsibility that is necessary, and there is'nt much of that in Bradford. Fly tipping - ensure it is a seriously punishable offence. BertSanders
  • Score: 7

10:09am Thu 6 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

When the council tips without permission as in yesterdays story, how can it expect it's residents to follow rules it clearly ignores?
When the council tips without permission as in yesterdays story, how can it expect it's residents to follow rules it clearly ignores? Bacon Bantam
  • Score: 10

10:22am Thu 6 Feb 14

sorrow&anger says...

Maximise efficiency is Council speak for reduce service and sack people.

Parking fines, fly-tipping, waste permits, public hygiene. Cllr Thornton seems to be on a one man mission to make Bradford as unattractive as possible. Regrettably it is the only thing he is succeeding at.
Maximise efficiency is Council speak for reduce service and sack people. Parking fines, fly-tipping, waste permits, public hygiene. Cllr Thornton seems to be on a one man mission to make Bradford as unattractive as possible. Regrettably it is the only thing he is succeeding at. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 12

10:26am Thu 6 Feb 14

sorrow&anger says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
When the council tips without permission as in yesterdays story, how can it expect it's residents to follow rules it clearly ignores?
A Westfield story concerning Council ineptitude that the T&A suppressed comment on.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: When the council tips without permission as in yesterdays story, how can it expect it's residents to follow rules it clearly ignores?[/p][/quote]A Westfield story concerning Council ineptitude that the T&A suppressed comment on. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 6

10:28am Thu 6 Feb 14

Joedavid says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote: When the council tips without permission as in yesterdays story, how can it expect it's residents to follow rules it clearly ignores?
A Westfield story concerning Council ineptitude that the T&A suppressed comment on.
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[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: When the council tips without permission as in yesterdays story, how can it expect it's residents to follow rules it clearly ignores?[/p][/quote]A Westfield story concerning Council ineptitude that the T&A suppressed comment on.[/p][/quote]? Joedavid
  • Score: -2

10:38am Thu 6 Feb 14

birbir says...

Can we maximise efficiency at the council and fly tip outside town hall? Totally outrageous move by this scandalous council who do nothing for Bradford. It is a matter of health and safety and well being for the residents and populous of Bradford that the waste management centres remain open.

We need forward thinking pro active councillors who want to improve the increasing population of the city not impose fines,sanctions and other costs to the public.
Can we maximise efficiency at the council and fly tip outside town hall? Totally outrageous move by this scandalous council who do nothing for Bradford. It is a matter of health and safety and well being for the residents and populous of Bradford that the waste management centres remain open. We need forward thinking pro active councillors who want to improve the increasing population of the city not impose fines,sanctions and other costs to the public. birbir
  • Score: 6

1:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

rosesrwhite says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
Maximise efficiency is Council speak for reduce service and sack people.

Parking fines, fly-tipping, waste permits, public hygiene. Cllr Thornton seems to be on a one man mission to make Bradford as unattractive as possible. Regrettably it is the only thing he is succeeding at.
Quite right, add to that closure of swimming pools and public toilets. The man is unstoppable.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: Maximise efficiency is Council speak for reduce service and sack people. Parking fines, fly-tipping, waste permits, public hygiene. Cllr Thornton seems to be on a one man mission to make Bradford as unattractive as possible. Regrettably it is the only thing he is succeeding at.[/p][/quote]Quite right, add to that closure of swimming pools and public toilets. The man is unstoppable. rosesrwhite
  • Score: 3

2:16pm Thu 6 Feb 14

yezboss says...

Suggesting closing some tips for two days? Previous proposals not reported above for some reason (either because they have been withdrawn or omitted) were suggesting there would always be a tip open within 30 minutes of any other tip closed. Also how does this reduction compare with the increase in collecting paper, glass and tin every two weeks now instead of the 4 it used to be? Surely this is uncessary but they went ahead with it and there was NO consultation.
Case scenario, Ilkley tip closes for Tuesday and Wednesday each week. Where does a resident there take their waste? Where is the next tip within 30 minutes travel? You cannot travel between any tip in a motor car in this Councils area in that time due to traffic congestion, that in itself caused by Bradford Council Highways ineptitude with such appaling traffic management. Bradford Council is not fit for ANY purpose. And I agree, if they wany to make cuts reduce the number of Councillors, why do they need 90 (3 per ward )? They are paid too much anyway. Two is ample if not too many at that! On the subject of salaries, are or will the tip operatives be expected to work weekends in lieu of days off in the week when their tip is closed and at what rate of pay? Finally there has been an increase in fly tipping of late, that is admitted, that can only increase in the event of this going through.
Suggesting closing some tips for two days? Previous proposals not reported above for some reason (either because they have been withdrawn or omitted) were suggesting there would always be a tip open within 30 minutes of any other tip closed. Also how does this reduction compare with the increase in collecting paper, glass and tin every two weeks now instead of the 4 it used to be? Surely this is uncessary but they went ahead with it and there was NO consultation. Case scenario, Ilkley tip closes for Tuesday and Wednesday each week. Where does a resident there take their waste? Where is the next tip within 30 minutes travel? You cannot travel between any tip in a motor car in this Councils area in that time due to traffic congestion, that in itself caused by Bradford Council Highways ineptitude with such appaling traffic management. Bradford Council is not fit for ANY purpose. And I agree, if they wany to make cuts reduce the number of Councillors, why do they need 90 (3 per ward )? They are paid too much anyway. Two is ample if not too many at that! On the subject of salaries, are or will the tip operatives be expected to work weekends in lieu of days off in the week when their tip is closed and at what rate of pay? Finally there has been an increase in fly tipping of late, that is admitted, that can only increase in the event of this going through. yezboss
  • Score: 5

4:32pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Mixter says...

What about traders who need to legitimately tip (and pay for the privilege) on any given day? Are they expected to now tailor their jobs around when they can get rid of the rubbish?
Not only may people not visit the tip when its shut, but they may not bother at all if they arent sure if its open or not.
You couldnt write a script about Bradford Councils antics, it would seem too far-fetched.
What about traders who need to legitimately tip (and pay for the privilege) on any given day? Are they expected to now tailor their jobs around when they can get rid of the rubbish? Not only may people not visit the tip when its shut, but they may not bother at all if they arent sure if its open or not. You couldnt write a script about Bradford Councils antics, it would seem too far-fetched. Mixter
  • Score: 4

5:26pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Summergirl says...

Personally, I wouldn't use a tip during the week as I work Monday to Friday so closing for a couple of days mid week wouldn't affect me at all. The tips should however be open at weekends without reducing the hours. Would I fly tip if the tip wasn't open when I got there - no I wouldn't, I'd take the waste home with me and go on a day when I knew it would be open. Most people have access to the internet or know someone who does so they would be able to check when it was open.
Personally, I wouldn't use a tip during the week as I work Monday to Friday so closing for a couple of days mid week wouldn't affect me at all. The tips should however be open at weekends without reducing the hours. Would I fly tip if the tip wasn't open when I got there - no I wouldn't, I'd take the waste home with me and go on a day when I knew it would be open. Most people have access to the internet or know someone who does so they would be able to check when it was open. Summergirl
  • Score: -3

5:30pm Thu 6 Feb 14

keelhambar says...

Mixter wrote:
What about traders who need to legitimately tip (and pay for the privilege) on any given day? Are they expected to now tailor their jobs around when they can get rid of the rubbish?
Not only may people not visit the tip when its shut, but they may not bother at all if they arent sure if its open or not.
You couldnt write a script about Bradford Councils antics, it would seem too far-fetched.
Traders should use commercial waste sites rather than household waste sites.
[quote][p][bold]Mixter[/bold] wrote: What about traders who need to legitimately tip (and pay for the privilege) on any given day? Are they expected to now tailor their jobs around when they can get rid of the rubbish? Not only may people not visit the tip when its shut, but they may not bother at all if they arent sure if its open or not. You couldnt write a script about Bradford Councils antics, it would seem too far-fetched.[/p][/quote]Traders should use commercial waste sites rather than household waste sites. keelhambar
  • Score: 1

8:07pm Thu 6 Feb 14

alive and awake says...

Roll on the next elections, a bunch of Baboons good do better than the shower we are lumbered with.
Roll on the next elections, a bunch of Baboons good do better than the shower we are lumbered with. alive and awake
  • Score: 2

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